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Why Did A Train Carrying Biofuel Cross The Border 24 Times And Never Unload?
Wondering why rail traffic has been somewhat surprisingly consistent despite uncertainty? Concerned at government's tenticular reach into each and every aspect of our lives? This somewhat stunning anecdotal report from OilPrice.com might shed some light:
A cargo train filled with biofuels crossed the border between the US and Canada 24 times between the 15th of June and the 28th of June 2010; not once did it unload its cargo, yet it still earned millions of dollars... The companies “made several million dollars importing and exporting the fuel to exploit a loophole in a U.S. green energy program.” Each time the loaded train crossed the border the cargo earned its owner a certain amount of Renewable Identification Numbers (RINs), which were awarded by the US EPA to “promote and track production and importation of renewable fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel.”
We suggest this is merely yet another unintended consequence (just as we noted here) and perverted incentive of central planning and an all encroaching government.
Via James Burgess of OilPrice.com,
A cargo train filled with biofuels crossed the border between the US and Canada 24 times between the 15th of June and the 28th of June 2010; not once did it unload its cargo, yet it still earned millions of dollars. CBC News of Canada was the first to pick up on this story on the 3rd of December 2012, and began their own investigation into the possible explanations behind this odd behaviour.
CN Rail, the operator of the train, stated their innocence in the matter as they had only “received shipping directions from the customer, which, under law, it has an obligation to meet. CN discharged its obligations with respect to those movements in strict compliance with its obligations as a common carrier, and was compensated accordingly.” Even so, they still managed to earn C$2.6 million in shipping fees.
During their investigation CBC managed to obtain an internal email which stated that the cars of the train were all reconfigured between each trip but that the cargo was never actually unloaded, because “each move per car across the border is revenue generated”, the sale of the cargo itself was inconsequential.
The cargo of the train was owned by Bioversal Trading Inc., or its US partner Verdero, depending on what stage of the trip it was at. The companies “made several million dollars importing and exporting the fuel to exploit a loophole in a U.S. green energy program.” Each time the loaded train crossed the border the cargo earned its owner a certain amount of Renewable Identification Numbers (RINs), which were awarded by the US EPA to “promote and track production and importation of renewable fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel.” The RINs were supposed to be retired each time the shipment passed the border, but due to a glitch not all of them were. This enabled Bioversal to accumulate over 12 million RINs from the 24 trips, worth between 50 cents and $1 each, which they can then sell on to oil companies that haven’t met the EPA’s renewable fuel requirements.
Both the Canada Border Services Agency and the US EPA have launched investigations into the possibility of fraud, although the companies claim that the practice was totally legal.
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You can't make this stuff up! LO f'n L
All aboard the capital misallocation express!
Can Banzai do a Thomas the Train pshop with Barack and Benny as Thomas and Percy? I know he doesn't take requests but ... this is special.
Choo Fuckin' Choo.
I don't see anything wrong with this. It's like the TBTF banks getting free interest money payments on the free Fed money they have stored for the Fed in their banks.
Yeah, that central control is SOOO efficient.
Only government can do some things!
Why did it cross 24 times...um...to get to the other side?
Effin like these HFT algos punting the same fuckin shares back and forth for the sole purpose of collecting the fuckin rebates with no benefit to society whatsoever....theres always a loser to every story that doesnt make sense.
I had a model Lionel railroad that was much more efficient. It was set up in a figure 8. Where's my free money for that?
http://oi48.tinypic.com/15dsa55.jpg
it ain't bonzai
If it aint broke - fix it till it is
John Tuld: "There are three ways to make a living in this business: be first, be smarter, or cheat"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5EsNV-gyr8
The antics of a once decadent but now declining nation is to.....CHEAT!
Click-Click...Click-Click...Click-Click!
Actually they chose first(?) and smarter...
YeeeHaw. The CRazY Train is going GREEN... now PAY the boys for a job well done!
What I'm saying is that 'First' and 'Smarter' have been used up and there's only one option left....so expect it to ratchet up....a-fuck-of-a-lot.
I was waiting to read a metaphor for the algos, it's perfect.
please expose the principals in these companies...than lets talk...
Great idea and what I thought of 1st. See if Buffet owns any part of that
LOL. New riddle for the 21st century.
Why Did A Train Carrying Biofuel Cross The Border 24 Times And Never Unload?
and why did a truck carrying $10m in ag veer off the road and spill all its shiny cargo?
http://www.wbng.com/news/video/Truck-Carrying-Silver-Crashes-183797061.html
truck accident is the new boating accident
That cocaine doesn't snort itself
You're missing the point. Who's Mr. Railroad, and who stands to gain the most from this? Warren E. Buffet, FOB
Really people, how is government forcefully stealing your money and giving it away to people it thinks are worth it consdiered capitalism?
If you're going to make yourself look uninformed, at least put some effort into it.
It's not like they are paying out in gold or anything valuable. And as for Bennie Bucks, he prints $180B a month worth, they gotta go somewhere you know. Takes a lot of creativity to move that much coin out the door every month. Try it some time and see how well you do.
In the UK the govt just gives it to the illegal immigrants.
This kills two birds, it keeps the illegals coming in, thus enabling expansion of the spending programs.
Karl Marx was right, destroy the money and you destroy capitalism...
*
what kind of idiot immigrates to a country with shitty food, shitty weather, shitty architecture, shitty economy with all their eggs in finance?
You forgot the free money part...
If it weren't for 'all their eggs in finance', I'd guess Mexicans in Texas.
No problem. I'll take a check, then order some gold. That will just sit in a box in the safe, and I can always get another safe if I need too.
Sure would like to need another safe though.
Such is always the case when government subsidizes industry. Here's another story about trains from 150 years ago which shows the difference between government subsidized industry and real entrepreneurs like J.J. Hill who was the model for Nat Taggart in Rand's Atlas Shrugged.
Yeah, but at least they had a railroad when they were done! OK, not a very good one, but something that could potentially be productive in the future. Shipping the same containers back and forth 24 times you end up with nothing to show for it, production-wise, 23 of those times.
Now, if we could build a railroad whose layout zig-zags back and forth 24 times across the border before arriving at it's final destination that would be OK. Much more productive. Then everyone wins.
According to the Krugmeister's calculations, this is all good. Stop your bellyaching.
The Krug should propose EPA for the nobel prize in economics.
Simon Black would love it.
Yea, but now those "windy" sections are great touring spectacles ;)
Though James J Hill has been immortalized as being "The Empire Builder", keep in mind he was in the company of some great friends, such as E H Harriman, J P Morgan, and J D Rockefeller.
With the backing of the above people, the Northern Securites Company was created in 1901.
That company controlled the Great Northern Ry, Northern Pacific Ry, and the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy RR (AKA Burlington Route).
What is interesting about this, is the supreme court dissolved the Northern Securites Co with an anti-trust suit in 1904.
Also of note, broken up in 1904 was the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific Railroad holdings of E H Harriman.
Most likely, one is wondering just what does any of this have to do with anything?
A great question.
in 1970, a mere 66 years after the antitrust lawsuit, the Great Northern, Northern Pacific, and Burlington Route mergerd to form the Burlington Northern Railroad.
In 1995, the Burlington Northern merged with the Santa Fe Railroad to form the current Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway, or BNSF.
Finally, in 2010, "Uncle Warren" added this railroad to his holdings of Berkshire, Hathaway.
Another note about the BNSF, in 1999, it has intended to merge with the Canadian National which the article mentioned was the line that this train operated on, and I would not be surprised if the biofuel cars originated from the BNSF.
Finally, about the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific... The two railroads involved in the building of the Union Pacific were the Union Pacific and Central Pacific.
The Southern Pacific leased the Central Pacific in 1885 and officially merged it into its system in 1959. Then, in 1996, the Union Paicific merged with the Southern Pacific.
Thus, the systems that these men wanted, ultimately happened, only it took place decades later.
Thank goodness the government busts the trusts so that folks can pay higher prices!
Recognizing a market in the American Midwest for timber from the Northwest, Hill convinced his next-door neighbor, Frederick Weyerhauser, to get into the timber business with him. He cut his freight charges from ninety to forty cents per hundred pounds, and he and Weyerhauser prospered by selling Northwest timber to other parts of the country.[20]
Despite the quality services and reduced costs that Hill brought to Americans, he would be unfairly lumped in with the political entrepreneurs who were fleecing the taxpayers and consumers. The public eventually began complaining of the monopoly pricing and corruption that were inherent features of the government-created and -subsidized railroads.
The federal government responded to the complaints with the Interstate Commerce Act of 1887, which was supposed to ban rail rate discrimination, and later with the Hepburn Act of 1906 which made it illegal to charge different rates to different customers. What these two federal laws did was to outlaw Hill's price cutting by forcing railroads to charge everyone the same high rates.[21] This was all done in the name of consumer protection, giving it an Orwellian aura.
This new round of government regulation benefited the government-subsidized railroads at Hill's expense, for he was the most vigorous price cutter. His trade to the Orient was severely damaged since he could no longer legally offer discounts on exports in order to induce American exporters to join with him in entering as foreign markets. He eventually got out of the steamship business altogether, and as a result untold opportunities to export American products abroad were lost forever.
http://mises.org/daily/2317/
I am glad an agency other than the sec will get right on this.....right?
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Cool. I didn't know that the Hell on Wheels character http://www.amctv.com/shows/hell-on-wheels/cast/thomas-durant who builds circuitous rail-roads to collect government dough in the show was based on a real person of the same name who did that very thing. (And here I thought they were creatively showing off how stupid laws lead to unintended consequences when all they were really doing was reading their history books.)
A reasonable and honest tax code could be written on three sheets of 8 1/2 x 11 paper. Instead we have some 74,000 pages of THIS shit. Congress in session is the problem. They fix nothing, but put 'the fix' in everything.
They fix nothing, but put 'the fix' in everything.
Yes, that's what rulers do. Always.
You cannot give one group of men the power to tax and punish everyone else, and have it turn out well.
They managed to pass a $700 billion bailout bill from three 8-1/2 X 11 sheets. It seems they can conjure up the magic only with outside help.
Reminds me of those reverse energy trades that Enron used to do, and the HFT boys still do on Wall street.
More like the scams the Russian mafia was pulling on the EC agricultural export subsidys.
That grain was exported,re imported,exported etc in a pertetual motion machine.
So did Enron with energy trading. The best cons are the ones which have already been tried.
All I want to know is if I can do this with my car and driving back and forth a bunch of times.
Methane can be considered a fuel. Eat moar beans.
Brilliant...they just figured out how to save Amtrak
Biofuel? You mean like shit?
Oh I thought it was a bunch of bankers. Wait - is that what you mean?
Train full of shit, not much fun unloading. Train full of bankers, there would be a run on pitchforks.
OK and a quick joke. What's the difference between a banker and a bag of shit.
The bag'o'shit only stinks when you open it.
Not shit; energy!!
Ok hows about I unload my "energy" on your porch and see how much you and the Mrs. enjoy it.
I think the Mrs. is one of those that needs you to unload directly on her.
odatruf is master blaster!!!!
So the next logical question would be who insures this shit?
And is the area generally a good place to storm chase?
WAY TO GO! I love companies taking advantage of stupid government loopholes!
and then you wonder why your fucking taxes go up nitwit-although by your thought process you are "Obama Phone Eligible" and thus do not pay taxes.
Oh my belief that the tax code can be reformed died along time ago - so wake up!
The system is collapsing so you better get as much of these tax credits as you can before it all collapses ...
The 47% speaks once again-the morality of "I'm gonna git mine" rears its ugly head-and then as it permeates from top to bottom is when we enter a death spiral.
Hate to break it to you but we're already in that death spiral. The more "git mines" the faster the system goes. And good riddance!
Yeah and if Obama gave me a phone - I would take it...
I don't think I would take the phone. After the collapse, I am much more likely to lend a hand to someone who didn't do this shit than anyone who did. And I'd expect the same.
Maybe I'll reconsider when it turns out most everyone I know has an oPhone. :/
"Don't hate the player, hate the game."
I find it absurd that someone would criticize Verdero for scamming a criminal cartel rather than criticizing the criminals who created the scam (all under the guise of "public service").
I don't like getting ripped off for "legitimate" government expenditures. But blaming others for getting in on the scam (thereby reducing their own exposure to its losses)???
Well, I guess that only makes sense to voters, and other sociopaths who believe social harmony is best achieved via centralized violence.
A+
You know, You absolutly know, That some Gov't shitheel is getting a big fat chunk of green for wording that loophole in that manner.
Do not try this yourself, you will be financially drawn and quartered.
They don't even care if they are seen. Much like the old soviet politburo.
Everybody in the green economy got Obamaphone. That was one of the selling points of hope, change and forward.
Why not call it the way it is....fucking crooked, just Americans being Americans.....Crooked from top to bottom, and still you wonder why you are in the mess you are....It's a mind set that can never change, because, you are, Americans
We need more green energy tax credits
Great end of the day laugh right there
Digging a hole and filling it up.
"Luke, what is Boss Keene's dirt doing in my ditch"?
"I don't know Boss".
Here is my bold prediction. No one goes to jail. Everyone keeps their money. I know I'm crazy.
That's not entirely true - whistle blowers will undoubtedly be prosecuted for something...
How you gonna run a train without a whistleblower? Imagine the carnage.
Whistleblowers will have mysterious hot tub drug overdoses.
Here is my bold prediction. No one goes to jail. Everyone keeps their money. I know I'm crazy.
Surely there will be a Nobel Science (or Peace) Prize for this endeavor.
'We created 24 train crossings of Bio Fuel greatly multiplying the energy used to make one trainload." It is akin to Perpetual Emotion"
Also, the sun will rise in the East tomorrow, and water will continue to be wet.
Dayum.....HAHAHAHAHAHA. Forward! Then.....backward (x 23)....
FORWARD!
si se puede Mr. F.M.D., jr
ONLY 24 times? Lazy bastards. No one wants to work for their ill-gotten gains anymore...
Union overhead.
That is 24 times for the one they caught.
I was just wondering... does any fart that crosses the border with America gets money?
Government at work
Tragicomical.
I vould laugh if it would not be so sad! Imagine all the fuel burned for nothing!
It wasn't burned for nothing it was burned for profit. That's one of the unintended consequences of a bloated regulatory and tax code which is used not only to obtain funds from taxpayers but also as a carrot or stick to control behavior. In other words, central planners have no idea what they're doing (except accruing power and profits unto themselves) and never did.
Don't worry, more regulations will fix everything!
Down around the corner
A half a mile from here
You see them old trains runnin'
And you watch them disappear
Without law
Where would you be now
Without law
You know I saw Miss Lucy
Down along the tracks
She lost her home and her family
And she won't be comin' back
Without law
Where would you be now
Without law
Well the Illinois Central
And the Southern Central Freight
Gotta keep on pushin' Mama
'Cause you know they're runnin' late
Without law
Where would you be now - now, now, now
Without law
Where pistons keep on churnin'
And the wheels go 'round and 'round
And the steel rails are cold and hard
For the miles that they go down
Without law
Where would you be right now
Without law
Where would you be now
with apologies to Tom Johnston for taking literary licence...
Another 'Let's Pretend' green energy program...this is bad...I'm not even shocked anymore
Fraud, anyone?
You're asking that as if it was a question of anything other than how much one spends on lawyers.
Was Al Gore driving the train? He's probably looking for a new gig.
The malignant spirit of Enron lives on.
Somewhere in a colder depth of hell Kenneth Lay must be pissing himself laughing.
Or a warm carribean beach somewhere ....
I was almost going to go with that, but then I thought "in hell laughing at us" was more poetic.
Would've also accepted "slightly less depressing."
Then again, I can't imagine Colin Powell's trip to CO that night was an effort to deliver last rites to Lay.
As a non-club member, he must've been one hell of a self-propelled tool to rate that treatement. Or had a big enough stash to buy his way in.
Wait, wha..?!?
What happened to the chicken?
I don't get your humor sometimes, Tyler.
Old news...
And another stunning example of the wholely fucked US energy policy....
Yep. The "green" agenda is a scam. Who woulda thunk it?
Or maybe everyone in the energy business just fronts for the Mafia.
Luca Brasi recycles with the fishes.
There are cons and shills everywhere... did you think otherwise...
BTW, bio-fuels are only green in some Madison Avenue alternate reality paid for by vested interests...
Then again you do get confused by labels...
I understood it when James Lovelock labelled global warming fears as being "alarmist." You still can't comprehend that fact despite your designation of Lovelock as a white wizard of the modern age. Go figure.
Digging a hole, filling up the hole, digging a hole, filling ... well, you get it, don't you? And you voted for a lot more of this.
God-Fucking Damnit, someone get the government away from the regulation button, pretty soon we will all have to walk back and forth in and out of McDonalds to buy a Big-Mac "for Free"in a way that somehow makes Money.
I know I shouldn't write this down for fear that Paul Krugman will be further enabled, but you just put everybody in a circle and hand the Big-Mac from person to person around the circle, and everybody pays person selling the Big-Mac each time it trades hands. Full employment and money velocity! Now, when do I get my Nobel Prize for economics???
Fucking Brilliant, and somehow through Kenesian Economics Jesus will come down and through derivatives "multiply" the Big Mac , we could also solve world hunger!
And while I listen to Jimmy Buffet sing "Hamburger in Paradise" I imagine I hear Warren Buffet, who owns the trains, say thankyou O; may I have another.
yep keep praying
I told my wife that is how business works.
If I hand you $10, and you hand the $10 to your dad, and he hands me back the $10, we just did $30 worth of business. So we can book $30 in revenue.
She said: but you just got back your $10, nothing happened and you didn't buy anything.
I said: exactly, you don't understand business.
Hilarious
Yes; and .gov wants $3.40 from each of you in taxes; that's $10.20 total. Better start searching the couch cushions...
Krugman is the big Laffer wannabe. Laffer got LUCKY with Reagan's tax breaks. LUCKY. Bushie's tax breaks won't serve him well, I wonder if he got the memo.
Sounds like the Soviet Union, where a picture frame maker met its annual quota (measured in weight) by manufacturing its frames from as heavy material as possible. Everybody's happy with their lead frames, for as long as the quota is being met.
shit-express to riches bitchez!
What laws WERENT broken here?
And the peons keep getting peed-on...
Our beloved gubmit working over-time to micro-manage every aspect of our lives. For fucks sake.
Shocked, simply shocked ...
"Yeah, we can't actually find a record of him unloading the train"
"I looked into it more deeply and I found that apparently what happened is that we implemented this rule five years ago and no one ever told told us about it; but through some kind of glitch in the payroll department, the company still gets a paycheck."
This could have all been avoided if the shipping directions were in French.
Its just like when greece applied for agricultural subsidies for olive tre plantations, the area in question was larger than the entire country... Of course they got the money without questions asked.
Next up: And on inspection the rail cars contained no actual biodiesel or anything like it.
Wow, they turned a train into a model of Goldman Sachs.
Traincars working like stock trades scraping a couple dollars in fees for each one.
Berkshire owns trains, if anyone knows the loopholes the Old Man does and i am sure uses them.
Keynesian autoerotic asphyxiation, brought to you by the Economy Prevention Agency.
when boot leggers and corporates do it on their own, without government subsidies, its all fair and square as its "private enterprise". Never mind the fact they break the rules.
But when corporates trick the government rules we blame government.
The issue is the same : blame those who bend the rules, before you blame those who make the rules.
Do we believe in rules in society is the real question. Or is "private enterprise" beyond the rule of law 'cos its "private"?
Some rules are dumb and should be revoked by popular pressure and subsequent legislation. But that requires two things :
1° People who care and push their agenda to their elected in significant numbers.
2° The elected who act like truly elected; not like truly corrupted.
Have far more respect for a successful crook than any government.
Its just business but harder.Unless of course your connected to Govt. instead of
evading it.
Sure it was one of Uncle Warren;s trains getting at the very least the freight charges,
Keynesian Glass
Its amazing what $750 got Barry Kramble.
http://www.welland.ca/Elections/Form4/2010Financial-DamianGoulbourne.pdf
Why did the chicken cross the road?... He got paid for it.
Seeing as this is more or less all that the financial industry does with moving money around, it's not really all that shocking. A great summary of what drives the US GDP.
Yes, just a larger scaled version of HFTs getting penny rebates for providing liquidity
What would prevent the following:
You have $100,000 in cash that needs investing, say, from an inheritance but are otherwise poor as all fuck. Alternatively, you live overseas and can skirt US reporting.
You start a 501c3.
Each year you give out cash gifts of $5,000 each to 20 fellow collaborators who are in the 28% tax bracket. This falls below reporting and is untraceable.
The collaborator then donates your gift to your charity in their own name, taking the tax write-off of $1400
Half of the savings of the tax write-off ($700) is given to you personally as a cash gift at the same time as your own gift to them. Also exempt from any reporting.
You are taking a $1 token salary from the 501 and being certified as full-time.
The remaining revenue is funneled out through spending as grants to a foreign charity organization which you fully control in country that's more lax and the cash goes straight into your own offshore high-interest account earning a solid 5% just sitting there.
After 10 years, any federal student loan debt is forgiven.
You have a slight overhead for admin and the overseas shuffle, but it's all really just a one-man show.
Congrats, you are earning an extra 14% profit while your collaborators are seeing a free $700 a year. If you are living overseas, this is probably more than enough to live off of if you really want to.
Good thing the bill passed at 2 am by the US Senate EXTENDED this CRITICAL program!
Yeah that sort of thing sucks. And it's useless too.
I can think of useful things they could sneak in. Why can't they pass a bill at 2AM that legalizes growing and consumption of mary-J up to one dry ton per household per year? That would be cool. And would reduce tensions. Everyone gets mellow. You can easily have 300 million guns in a county that mellow. But they would have to bring back Twinkies for sure.
Oh or how about this: Legalize all prostitution. Everywhere. Congress prostitutes itself everyday in public on camera, any willing woman should be given the same opportunity. That's all GDP++ and shit too. Everybody wins. And some of those girls are single moms so they could put some more grits on the table and buy their kids new shoes. So it's like a motherhood issue, dawgs.
I can see I'm good at this. Imma run for Congress on the "2AM is dat shit fo shizzle" platform. Our caucus, we start toking at noon, then we send the hos out for Chinese take-out at 8PM, and after 5 rounds of beers and some humpty-hump we do all the real work between midnight and 2AM before we pass out on the Capitol steps covered in vomit.
What's wrong with that? You tell me any part of that is wrong or out of alignment with how Congress does things.
"You tell me any part of that is wrong or out of alignment with how Congress does things."
We smile at yours but not so much at congress.
At first i thought you were running on obamas agenda. Problem is the media wont report if he does in fact do this
we need a LAW against this ........
/SARC
We suggest this is merely yet another unintended consequence (just as we noted here) and perverted incentive of central planning and an all encroaching government.
Really, an all encroaching government? You never take the next, and most important, step when you rant about government. The problem with government is the simple fact that it has been in the back pocket of Corporate Amerika for a long time. Just blaming the "government" plays right into the Corporate master's plans, or is that your intention?
Just another ride on the Disorient Express.
i bet it's legal. we need to start executions. not with laws, and arrest, and court or "regulatory agencies" none of that hand slap tiny fine crap. just one in the back of the head. i bet the libs would go batshit for gun control if the 1% turned into say .01 %
Not much difference between this scam and the kinds of scams that the rich use every day to hide their money from the tax-man. Whether the loopholes are put there intentionally or are simply left open by ignorant regulation-writing, somebody is going to find them and use them. It's as if you built a prison (kinda like the US tax system) and accidentally left the bars off of one window in a little obscure room where nobody is ever supposed to go. How long do you suppose it would be before the first prisoner went through that window. And if the guards didn't find the window and put bars on it right away, do you think the first escape would be the last? I think we would be talking about an empty prison pretty damn quick.
In 1976, Montreal, building the Olympics, it was later, well documented and publicized, that the concrete companies were being paid by having someone checking off that the trucks entered and exited the building. NOT, that they unloaded their concrete.
The trucks were empty.
The mob made millions. http://matdl.org/failurecases/Other_Failure_Cases/Montreal_Olympics (It's not well documented.)
OJO
V-V
Just another Obama Wan Nairobi mind trick as he fiddles while we burn, god damn if he don't put the G in Nero no one does.
that is so good , I am going to steal it.
into the possibility of fraud
Possibility.
No wonder why NO banksters are in jail today. What clueless fucking morons!
Well to be honest it probably was legal. One thing people need to understand, the laws are a tool that enforces "legal" plunder. Once you are comfortable with any form of taxation you really have no moral footing to cast stones at just another form of plunder. Forced philanthropy is still by force. These types of stories will become more frequent as the system collapses inward. Therein lies the reason for the stripping your ability to defend your property and finally your person with a firearm. Forced plunder always ends in the killing of the citizens as they will by nature fight for their right of life.
at least bring some of that good Canadian weed on the return trip! wtf..........................
AND, Warren Buffett owns the train!