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When Americans Can't Afford A Dollar

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Today's market moving news (or at least what should be market moving news) comes from hyper discounter extraordinaire, Family Dollar, whose stock is getting clobbered on what is merely the latest downward outlook revision (because as much as the Fed would like, reality, and cash flows, still do matter). Yet, while earnings not only for the $0.99 store but for the entire S&P will be atrocious something that apparently only selling copious amounts of VIX and buying up the ES in hopes of lifting all sinking boats can fix, it is the comments on the conference call that are most disturbing. To wit:


In any other universe, when Americans can't afford a dollar, literally, on purchases, this may be cause for alarm. But not in this one: here, courtesy of Bernanke's central planning, all shall be well. After all: instead of buying "stuff", America's 50 million food stamp recipients should just buy AAPL stock, and retire happily in a few short months if not weeks.

Worst case, they can always convert their stocks into fruity paraphernalia.


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Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:43 | 3118673 Lost Wages
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I bought six candles at Dollar General the other day. Sorry Family Dollar.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:48 | 3118705 lakecity55
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I got you beat. I found half a box in a dumpster.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:06 | 3118774 francis_sawyer
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I made some out of rendered tallow...

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:25 | 3118850 Bendromeda Strain
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Anyone we know?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:38 | 3118899 pods
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No one who will be missed.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:32 | 3119088 formadesika3
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cellulite works well.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:46 | 3118925 Cortez the Killer
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I made a lampshade out of your Mom's diseased flesh

feel better now?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 14:01 | 3119224 pods
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Okay, who brought the cool kid?


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:18 | 3118825 Freddie
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Maybe they should start selling ammo.  Like .22.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:54 | 3118943 JeffB
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One at a time.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:31 | 3118871 Harbanger
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I wonder how long before we start seeing copper cables, pipes, bolts and manhole covers missing? You need to own commodities bitches!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:42 | 3118912 blindchicken
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Here in Germany, nearly every day local newspapers report about stolen cables (often from building or railway sites), rain gutters, and everything copper even from graveyards. 'Rich country' does not mean everyone is rich ..


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:00 | 3118962 JeffB
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One of my clients had a rental home that was burglarized recently while her friend living there was away. They tore the furnace apart to steal the copper coils. The police said it looked like professionals who knew what they were doing as they did it quite efficiently and were in and out of there in a flash.

We've had others who have had copper gutters stolen and even pipes ripped out of a basement while they were on vacation which caused a lot of water damage to boot.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:04 | 3118979 Stuntgirl
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That's being going on in Spain for the last 5 years...

Towns out of power cause the entire power line got stolen for miles.

Newly-built ghost towns needing security personnel because the waterpipes and electric cable get ripped out. Now the builders don't even pay for the security.

In my street in Madrid, every day, Eastern Europe dudes ripping appliances apart, to extract the copper. The little kids have nimble fingers.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:41 | 3118989 TPTB_r_TBTF
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For Germany this is a Win-Win:


  • The Rumänians resell the metal in country so these resources are not lost to the local economy.
  • The Rumänians send the Euros back to SE Europe, so the families there can buy Made in Germany.


definitely a  Win-Win for all Keynesians involved.


Edit:  ummm...?! The Germans will be more inclined to buy insurance!

Disclosure: long FRG Insurers

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:43 | 3118917 trav777
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this sort of stuff already happens in black dominated areas

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:00 | 3118964 toady
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Don't forget the Hispanics. The Phoenix metro area was getting hammered by these sorts of activities until they had a major bolt-everything-down campaign last year.

Still, about once a month you hear all the brass urns where stolen from a cemetery, or someone stole a metal statue out of a front yard, only to find it in several pieces at several recyclers.

And, of course, every spring, we find foreclosed homes with the AC units and copper stripped.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:01 | 3118966 Meatballs
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Don't kid yourself- manhole covers, storm grates, large generators attached outside, copper from empty houses- right here in lily white rural Connecticut. Don't be such a racist...

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:15 | 3119030 trav777
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it doesn't ONLY happen where I said it happens; it is merely substantially MORE COMMON.

You people seem to be incapable of conceptualizing more than a binary outcome model

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:19 | 3119035 Meatballs
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'You people?' Ooooh, I am humbled by your brilliance. Not. 

I've got your binary outcome model right here.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 15:43 | 3119706 toady
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Love the 'you people', so old school!

Most folks hid it with 'they' & 'them'.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:05 | 3118984 DaveyJones
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That's funny I work in the system and see plenty of poor white boys stealing stuff. Like Tyler, I even see rich boys stealing to support their addiction

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 14:43 | 3119425 MsCreant
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You have not seen anyone trying to prosecute a banker for his or her theft have you?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 15:01 | 3119501 gmrpeabody
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Well played...


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 15:31 | 3119664 DaveyJones
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no, sadly MsC when you own the courthouse, you rarely visit.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:46 | 3118927 pods
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As of now at least a couple a year are barbecued trying to steal the windings of transformers.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:12 | 3119019 kridkrid
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One case of that right down the street from me. It wasn't reported that way, but I wonder.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:27 | 3119071 trav777
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this is contraction...scavenging.  Things in existence favored over promises

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 15:40 | 3119697 FrankDrakman
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Even here in the relatively affluent Great White North, you can see the old telephone junction boxes by the street ripped open and gutted. The telco doesn't care, as they went fibre in our area years ago.

Relatives in the Philippines report some people were making a profit shipping 40-gal containers of Phil. Pesos offshore to be melted down for their copper and zinc. That was a few years ago, though.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 10:28 | 3121764 Orange Pekoe
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That's why those phone boxes look junked. They are gutted everywhere. I've been wondering that forever, thanks.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:13 | 3118796 El Oregonian
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How many candles are needed to be officially in mourning?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:46 | 3118675 Cdad
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I thought history was not supposed to ever repeat?  Ummm...this is 2008 redux...almost to a "T". 

Switching to monthly charts...

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:52 | 3118727 vast-dom
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this has nothing to do with 2008. moar qe trumps charts, time, space and physics.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:54 | 3118735 Cdad
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Time, space, physics...but not one single dollar?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:57 | 3118744 vast-dom
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dollar is quantum. quantum like shrödinger's cat. like quantum easing.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:01 | 3118758 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, a game of trust and CONfidence.  America has never had to deal with such a crisis before.  That sure is a lot of paper promises you've got there, this should get interesting.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:44 | 3118680 tooriskytoinvest
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We Could Be In An Endless Financial Crisis And Markets Are To Implode AGAIN As Government No Longer Can Delay The Inevitable Catastrophe

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:53 | 3118732 adr
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When the government becomes the family using one credit card to pay another, I think you can call it an endless financial crisis.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:45 | 3118683 TheDarkKnight
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My neighbor said he had these shiny yellow metals that could get him all the fiat he wanted. I haven't seen him in a while now that I think of it..

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:07 | 3118776 francis_sawyer
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check the bottom of the lake...

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:46 | 3118685 fonzannoon
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Yet we send 85 bil every month to the banks to drown people in more debt. There is no consequences, apparently, to printing money, but we won't break up that 85 bil and send each person a check. Nah.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:49 | 3118706 TheDarkKnight
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You can't send the sheep checks, they're too stupid to know what the hell to do with it. Only the masters are smart enough to know how to spend it



Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:23 | 3118841 ZeroPoint
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The danger is that the sheep pay off their debts and buy real assets. 'The masters' can't have that.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 17:01 | 3119977 Dr. Sandi
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That'll never be a problem as long as the bedroom still needs a big screen plasma and Kayla needs a BMW to get to high school.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:50 | 3118713 TerminalDebt
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It's not printing, its "balance sheet expansion".

What do you think this is? Zimbabwe?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:52 | 3118726 a growing concern
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That would be $3400 annually for every person in the US. I guarantee that would have a much more positive impact on our economy than giving it to JPM and those fucks. So clearly it isn't about the economy but about giving a sweet reacharound for one's bankster friends.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:24 | 3118844 busted by the b...
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We can't do that because it's re-distribution of wealth, aka socialism. 

But bailing out banks is OK, that's capitalism.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 14:23 | 3119327 Central Bankster
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Wrong. Bailing out the banks is fascism. Capitalism does not exist in the USA. 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:28 | 3118858 Vagabond
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Or more than 80k annually for every "officially unemployed" person.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:50 | 3118934 michael_engineer
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Sending out checks would tend to try and increase flow of resource stocks from resource stockpiles. If resource stockpiles are constrained and unable to support additional flow then an alternative is to institute austerity by whatever means available such as by fiscal cliff or fiscal crises of any of the current flavors making the rounds at all levels of government and finance.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:07 | 3118991 Anusocracy
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Remember, everything that the FED and the government does is for the benefit of every American.

If the Elite and the government happen to benefit more, that's just coincidental.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:14 | 3119027 michael_engineer
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That's an interesting handle you got there. Amused me as much as your comment did.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 22:49 | 3120952 Anusocracy
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I thought about using Parasitocracy

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:47 | 3118689 Shizzmoney
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The thing is, the markets CAN'T implode.......because if they do, the oligarchs (I think) finally lose their grip on society.....especially in America, because we are prideful as we are crazy.

That's why the fudges numbers, the can kicking, the "do-just-enough" attitude by leaders on both sides of the isle (especially the Democrats).

You can only clog your ears and say, "It's gonna be OK!!!!!!111" over and over for so long.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:48 | 3118704 spanish inquisition
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Totalitarianism or Bust!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:47 | 3118690 youngman
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Obama by not telling the truth thru the government numbers....BLS numbers and doing a great job of lowering the lower bars for this country...we will have a third world lower class of people that will add nothing to the fact they will be an anchor to it...sure they will vote for the Democrats....but will bea taker all their lives...again the 47% will be the 55%...the takers vs the producers...they will win.....until the producers quit

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:02 | 3118970 Bananamerican
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"we will have a third world lower class of people that will add nothing to the fact they will be an anchor to it...sure they will vote for the Democrats...."

too late.....and they're called "diversity-voters" not "anchors" 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:47 | 3118693 JiminGA
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Interesting.  Dollar General and Variety Wholesalers's various stores are having record sales and profits, and DG is growing like crazy.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:51 | 3118722 adr
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Don't confuse growth with painting the tape and leveraging bullshit for better stock options for executives. I've got about 10 Dollar General stores within 15 miles of me. They all look like morgues.

You really think Five Below is actually growing? If you count accounting fraud as growth, well then yes they are.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:23 | 3118842 Freddie
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I don't even go to those $1.00 places anymore or Lowes or Staples or anywhere. Pretty much it is food only and I am not hurtin like many other people. 

I drive past a Family Dollar on a daily basis and it is dead.  Many restaurants are dead.  A few catering to wealthier old people are still doing okay.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:25 | 3119066 Anusocracy
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It makes more sense to shop at Aldis than Family Dollar.

The pricing and quality are better.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:47 | 3118695 SHEEPFUKKER

What's a dollar? I forget. 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:02 | 3118969 L_Conquistador
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Look in the gutter.  You'll see some paper rectangles among the pennies, used chewing gum, cigarette buts and other stuff not worth bending over to pick up.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:47 | 3118696 azzhatter
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True story, I was in a dollar tree store this weekend. I buy cleaning supplies and stuff there all the time. There was a guy and his daughter checking out in front of me. He had 4 items($1 a piece for all items). He was counting out maybe $3.50 of it in nickels, dimes and pennies. My first reaction was to give him a couple of dollars to speed things along but I didn't.  There is a lot of desperation out there folks and the Charlatan occupant of the white house is off in Hawaii planning our next ass raping

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:15 | 3118805 tnquake
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A friend of mine, who is a general contractor, used to retar the roofs on General Dollar stores. The manager of a store in Memphis told him that they had a 30% shrinkage at the store. She said it did not change much with an armed guard, so they let him go. Price of doing business in some areas.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:58 | 3118848 BlueCollaredOne
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That's because it was most likely the employees.  

I worked part time at Best Buy while in high school.  The man in charge of loss prevention was caught trying to steal 25k worth of computers.  It was most likely not his first time stealing, but simply the first time getting caught.  

If you've ever waited tables you will also see how bad employees rob their employer.  Between the giving away and consumption of free drinks, free meals, and the amount of steaks/seafood that walk out the back door, it is amazing more restaurant owners don't have cameras throughout the place.  

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 17:03 | 3119990 Dr. Sandi
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If there were cameras inside restaurant kitchens, nobody would eat the lobster bisque.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:27 | 3118857 Freddie
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Memphis = ObamaLand.  I would not want to be near Memphis when s**t falls apart. When people steal/shoftlift that much at a Dollar General then you know things are bad.

I went in a cell phone store is a very nice neighborhood in a very nice  and safe town.  They have an armed guard during the day with guy employees and fairly upscale clientele.  At night when there were two girls working no guard.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:52 | 3118938 LFMayor
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Memphis = Memphrica

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:32 | 3119086 pursueliberty
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Only rivaled by st. louis in this part of the country.  I've been to some bad areas in Memphis and I thank the .gov for giving me the right to be equal in the firearms department.

It is funny to see the white flight that took place in memphis and then moved to north miss.  I read recently that due to the failure of inner city memphis schools they wanted to consolidate white schools.  Somebody could make a fortune buying the land north of memphis if that ever happened.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:50 | 3118935 Chupacabra-322
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2 azzhatter,

I would of given him a couple of bucks.  Perhaps some of those nickels and dimes would have been pre 1964 Silver and pre 1982 copper pennies. 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:18 | 3119038 azzhatter
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I thought about that after I got home

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:06 | 3118986 Meatballs
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Let's not forget the charlatans in Congress, eh? All spending and 'laws' originate where? A lot of you seem to forget that it's a club and we ain't in it. It truly is boiling down to us against (all) of them.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 14:21 | 3119317 smlbizman
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i have started responding to people that mention the cost of things...for instance my wife just bought a desk calendar...she said it was 4 dollars last year and 12 this year...i told her that with 2 '64 qtrs and a '64 dime you could have bought it for 60 cents, so thats not seems easier for them to digest than all the technical qe etc. helps if you carry a couple with you, the visual helps them out...

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:48 | 3118698 Nothing To See Here
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A real dollar costs 31,03 federal reserve notes as of right now... No surprise that more and more americans can't afford it.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:14 | 3118802 rwe2late
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 Nor perhaps can dollar stores continue to profit if they maintain a $1 price for their items. The margin is getting squeezed.

I have noticed several local "dollar stores" are no longer strictly dollar stores, but have raised their prices for many if not most of their goods.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:30 | 3118866 Vagabond
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We'll see the $5 store soon enough.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:23 | 3119055 Bollixed
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When I was a kid we had what they called "Five and Dime" stores. Now that kind of verbage is just drug lingo.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 15:50 | 3119735 FrankDrakman
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I remember the "5 and Dime". If you think about, in 50 years, this has gone up to $1, or inflation of 20x. But, if you look at goods only, we've actually had deflation over the last 50 years (services, government and the MIC not included). So, the actual inflation rate, due to FRN printing, is much higher than 20x; probably closer to 40x. 4000% in 50 years is about 18% per year!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:11 | 3119011 L_Conquistador
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I've noticed that they used to have a couple of aisles of food, but now they only have 1/2 an aisle of food items for $1.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:48 | 3118701 busted by the b...
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They beg in other third world countries, why not here?


Maybe people just don't like Family Dollar anymore.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:06 | 3118771 Things that go bump
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People do beg here.  There is always a raggedy guy or gal at the freeway exits by the mall.  They always hold up signs claiming to be homeless vets, anything will help. 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:27 | 3118856 busted by the b...
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Yes, that's my point -- we are becoming as poor as a third world country.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:49 | 3118707 adr
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Well if that is a beggar in Pittsburgh, you can be sure she gets into a nice white Escalade and drives home to The Hill to celebrate her take with EBT lobster and steak.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:07 | 3118772 Mad Mohel
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Notice he has a nice iFuck running from his front pocket to his ears. Even has the volume control on the wire, the lucky "bum".

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:13 | 3118798 MiltonFriedmans...
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She?  It's a woman?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:49 | 3118710 SamAdams
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Clearly bullish. With unemployment a low 7.6%, confidence encourages purchase of high dollar goods. /s

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:50 | 3118714 IvyMike
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The "dollar" stores mostly sell junk. Even poor people are realizing that now.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:55 | 3118741 duo
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like knockoff toothpaste with dangerous levels of fluoride?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:41 | 3118909 donkshover
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I bought a sunscreen lip balm  in Las Vegas from one of these stores- thought I was getting  a deal!  the balm tube inside  was only 1/5 the lengthof the tube it came in- screw that!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:12 | 3118794 UGrev
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mostly..however, I picked up some of the new flourescent lamps there (x4=$4.00). That was 3 years ago. took two years for one of them to finally shit the bed as i left it on all the time in my driveway lamp post. I don't ever turn my driveway light off, even during the day. I have my reasons, but mostly it's defiance. Anyway. 2 of those 4 bulbs are still operational after 3 years of use. One over my door, and one at the garage door. The driveway lamp replacement has been going strong since March 2012. 

In short.. they are just as good as the 12 dollar GE's you get at lowes or home depot. 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:40 | 3118906 duo
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same China sweatshop made both bulbs.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:07 | 3118992 Bananamerican
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i bought two sponge floor mops to clean off some mold in a back room...they both broke within minutes, at the handle and at the water press...cheapest plastic I've seen yet.

The Chinese make things that "appear" to be the purported product, in exchange for things that "appear" to be valuable currency.....

in the history of human trading, how fuckt up is zat?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:23 | 3119056 valley chick
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as much as I dread going in these cheap ass stores...I will drag myself in to buy Golden Harvest (Ball) canning jars and lids that are made in the US.  Other than that could care less what is in the store.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:45 | 3118924 azzhatter
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I agree but stuff like dishwashing soap, paper towels for the garage, grease rags, sponges I will gladly stop in and buy for a buck a piece. The dollar tree store near my house is clean and neat. But I have noticed more and more items that are over a dollar

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:52 | 3118715 NoDebt
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No, no, no.  People are becoming MORE wealthy and can now step up to WalMart and Target.  It's a GOOD thing.

Only thing the dollar stores are good for is to stand outside, yell "get a job" and throw over-rip tomatoes at the people going in and out while having a light repast of champagne and caviar.  At least that's what I do with the kids on the weekend.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:07 | 3118775 MiltonFriedmans...
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Thanks for that, it resulted in a hearty chortle!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:39 | 3118902 jcaz
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LOL-  nice job on the "Cramer Point of View"!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:50 | 3118717 Flounder
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FDO clientele may have switched to Whole Foods.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:53 | 3118731 tango
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Silly me.  I thought chicken was SUPPOSED to be priced like steak and that all veggies were SUPPOSED to cost twice as much for being "organic".  (How can ginger, a root that grows naturally, be anything other than organic?)  I need the EBT for the incredible cheese and olive selections at Whole Foods.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:50 | 3118718 tango
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Discretionary income is being squeezed from every avenue - phones, cable, web, soaring health care and food, high gas, taxes...the amazing thing is that we still have money left to spend on any discretionary items.  Truly, this is the European way - no discretionary income to speak of.  

Of course, as Tyler has noted several times, the current setup supplements low income folks enough to live a good lifestyle.  My peeve all along has been that politicians imply that those without an education, skill or experience should enjoy the living standards of those who do.   If that's the case, why in the hell try at all?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:58 | 3118750 LawsofPhysics
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Wonder if things would change if our "representatives" enjoyed the same standard of living as their constituents?  Let ME say it one more time;  Nothing changes until the supply lines break.  Only then will you see compensation go to those who are actually worth a shit and know how to actually create things of REAL VALUE.  History is very clear on this point.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:20 | 3118836 centerline
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And the supply lines will break the moment cash flow stops (or is insufficient in value or quanitity to keep things running).  Given the complexity of modern society, various supply chains can be broken in many critical places.  Getting harder and harder to keep the plates spinning.  And the irony is the mathematics which suggest spending cuts will fix the problem!  lol.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:27 | 3118859 LawsofPhysics
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What is "velocity" these days anyway?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:31 | 3118873 centerline
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Have a feeling it is going to get really interesting sooner rather than later.  Some shock and awe coming up.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:50 | 3118719 Iconomissed
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Welcome to the Dollar Store where everything's $2.00.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:55 | 3118734 GMadScientist
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Better there than "The Gold Store" (we'll buy your scrap....even your momma's dentures, they got gold in em).

Talk about some immoral stuff to pull on your fellow man just because you have info asymmetry.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:51 | 3118721 in-Credible Banker
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Schiff radio is a must listen today.  One of the things he pointed out was - the ENTIRE tax increase from the Cliff deal is about to be pissed away in the Sandy relief bill, to be voted on tomorrow. 

Deficits headed to 1.5 trill or higher, starting this year.  The dude is AWESOME as always.....



Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:52 | 3118723 Agent P
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"Hey buddy, can you spare an iTunes gift card?"

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:52 | 3118724 GMadScientist
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Hate the game, not the playa!

(still think that gentlemen is an entrepreneurial health remedy salesman and "tax resister")

Anyone have good estimates on how much of the American economy is under the table?

I bet there's another "hockeystick" hiding there!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:09 | 3118781 adr
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Actually not that much. I mean there may be a few billion in baby sitting and yard work money paid out to young kids. Cities have pretty much figured out ways to prevent any under the table maintenance work from being done. Massive penalties for not getting permits. Then you have the corporations that have made doing under the table work for family and friends a crime.

I tried to get my neighbor, who works for a heating company, to fix my furnace. I was going to pay him $200 cash since he only gets about $20 out of the money from a service call. I even bought the part I needed online for $80. The heating company wanted $750 for the repair when I got a quote from them.

My neighbor wouldn't do it because he said he wouldn't risk his job to do work under the table. I wanted to save over $400, and I wanted to give my neighbor $200 for two hours worth of work. Instead both lost because I got a repair manual online and did the work myself.

Don't get me started on the prescription bullshit with doctors now. A doctor can't even write a prescription for his own son anymore. He has to take his own family to a different practice and pay the fee to get medicine for them.

Everything is this country is set up to gang rape your wallet into submission. I think mine has a nightingale complex, it likes getting raped now.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:53 | 3119187 Winston of Oceania
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Well let me tell you I am being FORCED to change my entire business due to casual competition. Formerly a lawn service business I now have to expand into light construction as I am competing with everyone from disability frauds to retired public employees (read law enforcement). Wake the f up.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:54 | 3118733 LawsofPhysics
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"Among households with incomes between $500,000 and $1 million, taxes would go up by an average of $14,812…."


14K ain't shit when you are collecting close to a million dollars.  Well, I guess I can thank our CONgress for that.  Depending on the margins, that capital will be re-invested in the wages of my employees and our infrastructure.  Good luck to everyone else.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:00 | 3118755 GMadScientist
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Seems an odd decision in the face of marginal tax rates, but okay.



Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:05 | 3118767 LawsofPhysics
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Equipment and employees both wear out.  If you can't depend on either, you go out of business, period.  Taxation and inflation are both forms of theft.  But at least with taxes, I can track where the money is spent.  I am not a paper-pusher.  I have REAL input costs because I deliver a real fucking product.  Remind me, what are commodities compared to 5, 10, 15, years ago? Your statement is more applicable to those who's business is nothing but pushing paper bullshit, fuck them.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:14 | 3118803 adr
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My business is barely hanging on. I do welcome the destruction of the Japanese currency though. Since I buy one of my main components from Japan, the Yen dropping will make up for some of the rising input costs from Obama's great regime.

My margin has shrunk from 40% to around 10% over the past five years. We can't raise our price on consumers because they simply won't buy. REAL BUSINESS SURE IS FUN!!!

I wish I could have no revenue, and no business plan and get bought for a billion dollars because my company is "social".

You can't have a real economy when paper pushing becomes the most profitable activity in the system.

Fuck the fuckers with fuckidty fucking shit.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:27 | 3118854 centerline
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Same here, between a rock and hard place on razor thin margins now.  Really isn't any room to give at this point - else we will be forced to downsize again, reduce compensation/benefits, etc.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:16 | 3118818 MiltonFriedmans...
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If you earn $500,000, you take home roughly 250,000.  That's roughly a 6% hit.

Add on the Obamacare taxes and it's not inconsequential.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:21 | 3118834 LawsofPhysics
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Being in agriculture and familiar with thousands of years of human history, essential commodities are all that matter to me (this is my only input and output).  You are talking about paper promises that won't mean shit when the supply lines finally break.  Inconsequential indeed.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:56 | 3118745 GMadScientist
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You know, there is an opportunity cost of gasoline to get one's broke ass to the Dollar Store...

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:31 | 3118868 Waterfallsparkles
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Or the cost of a Taxi.  One of the applicants for my Section 8 housing showed up in a Taxi and a very nice cell phone.  Dressed to the hilt of course.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:02 | 3118971 GMadScientist
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I'm sorry the taste of $30B government titty is so sour for you.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:56 | 3118746 RSDallas
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Are we not sure that the economy maybe a lot better (not withstanding if it is real or not real, lasting or not lasting) than what is being reported and therefore their would be shopper went to Target and WalMart instead?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:20 | 3118833 adr
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I sell to Walmart and Target. Nomatter what bullshit they put out. Holiday 2012 was terrible, the worst since 2009.

Absolutely nothing moved unless it was put 50% off. It was really insane. If a video game was put at $29.99 instead of $59.99, it sold out and none of the $60 games were even touched. Less than 20% of the Christmas decorations sold before Christmas. Every consumer knew they would go to 50% off after Christmas, the day the 50% sign went up, everything sold.

The best day of the year was not Black Friday. It was the first Saturday of Dec. Hmmm, what could have caused that. Oh yeah, the last welfare checks before Christmas filled up the EBT cards the day before.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:57 | 3118748 lolmao500
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Well they can afford guns but not dollar stores.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:04 | 3118763 Mad Mohel
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I bought some cans of dog food from there last month. You'd be surprised with enough ketchup it's actually delicious.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:28 | 3118862 donkshover
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And you are getting your vegetables!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:04 | 3118764 SheepDog-One
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Aaaaaand...CUT! Thats a wrap for today, once again propped up futures to make it stick all day, all news over thats where we close, wait till tomorrow once again.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:05 | 3118768 MajorWoody
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The last thing we should do is raise the taxes on the rich.  I mean 15% tax on your stock dividends???  Ghastly I tell you.  Millionairs paying less percent of tax than middle income 50ker's?  Well that's fair, they make the jobs for us, right?  All you self employed small business guys are millionaires right? So it won't even make a dent if we raise taxes on the rich, is what they want us to argue over.  But is it right for people of means, money, to pay less tax than poorer folk? Time for golf at the club now, tata.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:12 | 3118793 IridiumRebel
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Their taxes went up. What is your point? Is huffpo down right now or did you decide to pick a fight? Start with spelling. If you are going to come here with a talking point memo argument, you must spell correctly. All taxes will go up including yours. What is the point of you coming here to pick a fight? I suggest you reload the page, read my post and then engage. I will gladly converse with you. 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:06 | 3118891 Dr. Engali
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Oh boo f--ing hooh. Cry me a river. We will never have a "fair" tax in this country unless we move to a flat or consumption tax.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:06 | 3118773 youngman
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I predict a loss of good full time jobs of 4 million...and a gain of part time jobs of 2 million....the lowering of the bar...

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:08 | 3118778 q99x2
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The price of a bag of heroin in NYC is still $10--the same as 30 years ago.

Who needs dollar stores with deals like that.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:26 | 3118853 Clint Liquor
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It appears that 40 years and a couple of trillion in spending on the War on Drugs has been able to acheive the maintence of pricing.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:06 | 3118988 GMadScientist
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There's more than one path to price inflation...this is not the heroin of Lou Reed and Keith Richards you're shooting anymore.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:41 | 3119113 Winston of Oceania
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Yes and now hot dogs are more expensive due to the increase of fillers in drugs...

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:19 | 3119046 azzhatter
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I think Bernanke includes that in CPI

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:56 | 3119200 the grateful un...
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according to his h(eroin)edonics, if heroin is too expensive the user will switch to Meth which is much cheaper (like chicken for beef), therefore there is no inflation (whatever happens before the last statement, the final phrase is a constant)

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:08 | 3118779 lovemesomeZH
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This may or may not matter, but Family Dollar is not a dollar store. the author is confusing the Dollar Tree, where everything is one dollar. Family Dollar can be expensive on some items.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:15 | 3118806 Zer0head
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wa'da'ya mean they got Gravy Train at 2 for $1!/flyers/familydollar-circular?flyer_run_id=4202

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:10 | 3118786 Gypsyducks
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At least we have a perpetual bid in the ES from the PPT.... which is nice.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:25 | 3118829 10mm
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Family dollar,dollar general are not dollar stores.The Dollar Store is a dollar store.Dollar TREE

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:21 | 3118830 Cultural Capital
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Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:26 | 3118851 adr
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uh, in the Unted States Ghettos it is just called shoppin

My wife who was never exposed to the ways of the ghetto asked me once, "Why do black guys walk around with the tags on their clothing?"

I said because they went shoppin, they stole the stuff. Then they go to another mall or TJ Maxx to return the stuff for store credit after they wear it for a few days. She told me I was crazy. Then she asked a black guy she worked with, and he told her the exact same thing.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:22 | 3118839 donkshover
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"Office of Homeland Dependency"   quit yo bitchin and join us.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:32 | 3118876 orangegeek
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Nothing is left untouched by government hands.


Yesterday's jump in SP500 on government raising taxes is the most bizarre move to date.  When markets get this emotional/irrational, watch out below.


Q4 results to help to confirm these numbers - which they probably won't.  When consumers have their savings confiscated by higher taxes, spending drops - not a good thing for the private sector.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:42 | 3118911 the grateful un...
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notice the one group which didn't cartch a break in the negotiations was payroll taxes. lets guess they know the jobs number is about to take off and they can solve the deficit on the back of underpaid workers. and the labor force is quickly becoming a special interest group (smaller than the unemployed) with no leverage, no unions left with any clout. some of these people will realize they would be better off in China, but China won't have them (Americans have too many crazy ideas about individual freedom)

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:35 | 3118890 the grateful un...
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 the dollar stores live off the overcapacity in the global economy. the day may be here when the shipping containers from China no longer arrive. its a great business model, Ninety Nine Cent stores opened an outlet in Beverly Hills. the rich like their bargains too.

if China can no longer afford U.S. (cheap consumer goods) then the U.S. economy will take off, and Bernanke will be scrambling to get those dollars back into the helicopter. inflation will outrun wages (as American replacement jobs for those manufacturing jobs in China will be at a comparable pay level)

but its also possible that the dollar stores have run into transportation issues (fuel costs and inventory managment - Walmart beats them all, the dolalr stores only live off what Walmart doesn't want) Walmart has overbuilt, and that could change too, as they close stores and stop construction of new ones.

consider FiDO's trouble to be a sign of change in the old global economy. if China can't play the multinationals will move back to the US, (if only the US gov would give them some incentive to bring jobs here - part of that midnight 70B in tax breaks they snuck in with the fiscall cliff deal,  included one for mulltinationals who make their money overseas) or its back to Mexico and the maquiladoras.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:36 | 3118894 Sutton
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"My policies have enabled the Family Dollar shopper to move up the ladder to Lord&Taylor and Saks"


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