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Guest Post: Anti-Gun Newspaper Hires Armed Guards – Reveals Its Own Hypocrisy

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

Sometimes I just have to smile when faced with anti-gun propagandists, regardless of the vicious statements they make, because I know from years of past experience in this debate that because of their deep rooted hypocrisy, they WILL inevitably make my pro-gun case for me.  All I have to do is sit back and wait for them to contradict themselves...

After the Sandy Hook attacks, the NRA responded with the suggested measure of establishing armed security guards at public schools in order to ensure there is a defensive presence in place to meet any violent threat.  I personally agree with the idea, though I believe it doesn’t go far enough.  Frankly, allowing teachers to legally carry on school grounds would be a much more effective deterrent, promoting the ability of average citizens to protect themselves rather than constantly relying on some uniformed official. 

The Obama Administration, of course, responded negatively to the NRA’s position and has yet to even address or acknowledge the idea of armed teachers.  Obama shrugged off the NRA, claiming he was “skeptical” of the armed security concept, all while sending his own children to a private school protected by at least 11 armed sentries not counting Secret Service agents:

So, Obama is “skeptical” of an armed presence at your children’s school, but not his own children’s school?  Yes, it’s incredibly hypocritical.  My question to the president would be:  If armed guards don’t make a difference, why have your children surrounded by them?  I would be interested to hear his response.  Perhaps he believes his children are more important than our own…

Then there’s that wretched gun grabbing swamp hag, Senator Diane Feinstein; a true anti-gun zealot who has openly admitted that if she thought she could get away with it, she would pursue the complete disarmament of the entire U.S. citizenry.  The same zealot who after the Oklahoma City bombing had this to say at a senate hearing:

“I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. I walked to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon and I made the determination if somebody was going to try and take me out, I was going to take them with me…”

Apparently she saw the need for firearms in the defense of her own life, but not the need for the average citizen to have the same opportunity.

And what about Senator Chuck Schumer, who called for the president to use the excuse of “national security” and terrorism to force through restrictive gun legislation?  The man who also voted against a bill which would have prevented outside entities like the UN from asserting gun control treaties that affect the American public?  Well, Chuck has his own concealed carry permit in the state of New York, of all places, and still continues his antigun rhetoric.  Again, do they see themselves as part of a higher and more valuable class of people?  How do they explain these contradictions in their position?

What about media gigolo Michael Moore and his theater of the absurd?  Playing the role of gun fan while at the same time incessantly promoting gun control rhetoric using skewed information and disingenuous talking points?  The same man who suggested that the sound of a racking shotgun on tape is as effective as having the real thing uses bodyguards armed with THE REAL THING, one of whom was recently arrested for carrying an unlicensed weapon into JFK Airport:,2933,144921,00.html#ixzz2FnQC65J3

But anti-gun propagandists with armed bodyguards are nothing new.  In fact, anti-gun mayor Michael Bloomberg travels with a cadre of five to six bodyguards, all packing heat.  Why do these people who say they despise guns and gun ownership continue surrounding themselves with the same “devilish weaponry”?  It’s simple; because the mere reality of gun ownership deters criminal attack.  If it didn’t, they wouldn’t rely on firearms at all. 

Apparently, this same fact has suddenly dawned on The Journal News in New York, which has received a flurry of attention (mostly negative) for their insane idea of publishing maps of New York suburban neighborhoods “outing” the names and addresses of all those who have concealed carry permits.  The Journal News has yet to officially address why they chose to do this, but the paper is, needless to say, anti-gun; publishing articles that call for ALL firearms owners, not just those with CCW, to be cataloged and mapped:

Their rationale?  All gun owners should be mapped so that anti-gun citizens can “know who their neighbors are” and the “possible danger that surrounds them”.  The assertion that the newspaper is making is that all gun owners should be treated as potential threats, like convicted pedophiles.  Their philosophy is to consider us guilty until proven innocent.

It is an interesting and manipulative strategy.  The intent is first to promote a national firearms database, which just happens to be a primary part of Diane Feinstein’s coming gun control legislation, as well as to cultivate a kind of “culture of shame” surrounding gun ownership.  The Journal News motto should be:  “Own a gun?  We’ll make sure everyone knows what a monster you are…” 

The paper follows with the argument that people should be allowed to know who in a neighborhood is armed so that they can make an “informed decision” on whether or not they want to live there.  As I have stated in recent articles on the gun control issue, the anti-gun fears of terrified yuppies are not our concern.  They should be required to control THEIR fear, not allowed to control OUR guns.  Their fears do not and should not override our constitutional liberties, and frankly, I couldn’t care less if they want to live in a gun free neighborhood or not. 

Using the gun map philosophy, a universe of invasive collectivist enforcement becomes available.  Why not, for instance, create a map of every person who has been diagnosed by a psychiatrist and given psychotropic medications?  Since almost every person who has committed atrocities like Sandy Hook in the course of the past two decades was under the influence of psychotropics at the time it only follows that everyone on these drugs is a potential threat according to the logic of The Journal News.  I suspect though that at least half of their staff, just like half of New York, is highly medicated, and probably would not endorse such a measure. 

County Officials in New York State are now revolting against the gun map initiatives of The Journal News, denying them further information on permit holders in other counties in order to avoid possible danger to those citizens.  Reuters has responded to this unexpectedly reasonable response by, surprise, attacking it:

State officials denying The Journal access to permit holder names and addresses is so far one of the only sane things being done in the state of New York when it comes to the gun debate, but according to the Reuters opinion piece, such an action is “crazy”.  Is permit holder information a matter of public record?  Yes, for now.  Does that mean that The Journal News should be allowed to exploit that information to satiate their own personal zealotry while making it easy for criminals to devise threat assessments?  The State of New York doesn’t seem to think so.  Honestly, if I was a non-gun owning citizen in New York, I would be much more upset at The Journal than if I was on their list.  Essentially, the newspaper has just advertised who on their map is a potentially easy target… 

Finally, displaying their own grand level of hypocrisy, The Journal News has hired ARMED security guards to protect them from the possible wrath of the angry populace they put at risk:

Is the staff of the newspaper in danger?  Well…yes, of course they are!  That kind of blind idiocy and hubris tends to attract wild fury in response.  However, the point remains; when faced with conceivable violence, they turned to the practical solution of armed intervention, just like ANYONE with any sense would.  They admonish us for wanting the right to defend ourselves in the most efficient way available (private firearms ownership) while at the same time surrounding themselves with a shield of guns. 

The gun grabber personality is interminably flawed, but it could be summarized thus:

They believe the whole of society should cater to their personal concerns.  That we should give up our rights just to make them feel safer.  And, that they are somehow a step above the rest of us, and do not need to practice what they preach.  My question is, why should we go out of our way to please such weaklings and frauds?  I have yet to hear a good reason...


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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:30 | 3122593 IvyMike
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"All men are created EQUAL." ~Declaration of Independence

What other nation proffers such a Egalitarian Clause—which is what academics should have called the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights—in its foundational governmental document?

Egalitarian dispersal (power-sharing) of State power is the intended purpose behind the “right to bear arms.”

The Americans’ egalitarian sentiments expressed in the Second Amendment issues directly from close contact with the egalitarian, power-sharing Non-State eastern woodlands tribes, as documented in anthropologist Jack Weatherford’s Native Roots: How the Indians Enriched America (1992) and Indian Givers: How the Indians of the Americas Transformed the World (1988) and Jame’s Axtell’s The Invasion Within: The Contest of Cultures in Colonial North America (1986) (especially chapter 13, The White Indians of Colonial America.)

A good example of that dispersed—egalitarian—power being used against an entrenched, elite hierarchy, is The Battle of Athens (sometimes called the McMinn County War) in August 1946.

America’s Constitutional Egalitarian Clause coincides with how Christopher Boehm describes the evolution of egalitarianism in his Hierarchy in the Forest: The Evolution of Egalitarian Behavior (Harvard University Press, 1999) as a “reverse dominance hierarchy,” that depends on the less powerful to band together “to deliberately dominate their potential master if they wish to remain equal.”

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:31 | 3122623 Zer0head
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but I guess the author is  in favor of limiting freedom of speech/press (1st amendment)

Apparently, this same fact has suddenly dawned on The Journal News in New York, which has received a flurry of attention (mostly negative) for their insane idea of publishing maps of New York suburban neighborhoods “outing” the names and addresses

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:36 | 3122635 IvyMike
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Wrong guess, try again.

The 2nd Amendment and the 1st Amendment are two sides of the same Egalitarian coin.

Egalitarian merely means "NOBODY LORDING IT OVER OTHERS."

While City-Statism (Civilization) is brutal, the Bill of Rights did do a fairly decent job of mitigating the worst horrors of City-State society, at least while it wasn't so crowded with city-slickers.

"When they get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe."

~Jefferson to James Madison, December 20, 1787

There's the whole Red/Blue state fight in a nutshell.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:45 | 3122668 IvyMike
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Egalitarian merely means "NOBODY LORDING IT OVER OTHERS."

No wonder LoLbertarians like Rothtard hated egalitarianism; his ilk want to Lord-It-Over you via wage-slavery.

It's always funny watching control-freak LoLbertarians piss on the Declaration of Independence and it's famous egalitarian proclamation:

"All Men Are Created Equal."

Oh, how they try to explain the plain meaning of that away!

"We libertarians do not oppose hierarchy or command or authority..." ~Stephan Kinsella

Because LoLbertarians want to be your BOSS. Control-freaks all; well, most. (Of course, they don't want any control over them, but that's hypocritical.)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:57 | 3122744's picture

If equality is good and freedom is bad then the antebellum slave population must have been the happiest people on Earth. If Lincoln had just enslaved all the white folks instead of freeing the blacks it would be a perfect nation. I weep at the lack of a Disemancipation Proclamation.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:58 | 3122763 IvyMike
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Equality and Freedom are the same thing.


Read your anthropology and evolutionary biology, unlike Rothtards and Leftards who twist the meaning of egalitarian to their own political faction's meaning.

Again, I reference:

Christopher Boehm (1999) Hierarchy in the Forest: The Evolution of Egalitarian Behavior. Harvard University Press.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:06 | 3122805's picture

You are confused. Rothbard believed that no one had a right to use violence against others and that all interaction should be voluntary.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:08 | 3122830 LM
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Make that 'to initiate violence'. Rothbard certainly did not oppose self-defense.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:12 | 3122854 IvyMike
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Rothbard wasn't against initiation of violence; he only claimed to be.

Here his City-Statist teeth are bared for all to plainly see:

Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment...unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares?

~Murray Rothbard

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:26 | 3122937's picture

Rothbard was an anarchist. He was saying that if you're forced to live under statist control then you might as well insist that the state should do the job it claims to do.


We must try, short of ultimate privatization, to operate government facilities in a manner most conducive to a business, or to neighborhood control.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:29 | 3122964 IvyMike
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You're like a Biblical Fundamentalist who thinks that if they find one verse they like, it somehow magically negates the verse that is rather embarrassing.

Using your standard of intellectual honesty, Lenin was an advoate of capitalism. And yes, he said so:

If in a small space of time we could achieve state capitalism, that would be a victory." ~Lenin, 1918

City-Statism (Civilization) reformers from Lenin to Rothbard will tell you all kinds of bullshit to get their way. And then there are fools like you who will believe it.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:40 | 3123002's picture



You're like a Biblical Fundamentalist who thinks that if they find one verse they like, it somehow magically negates the verse that is rather embarrassing.


You're like a Biblical Fundemantalist who believes that if the Koran has a passage which conflicts with your theology that there is nothing of value in the book at all. I never claimed that Rothbard was perfect but you inist that a single quote taken out of context proves him to be the Devil. Futhermore you believe that that single quote makes all who espouse voluntaryism on their own terms to be devils as well.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:42 | 3123017 IvyMike
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You quote your Rothtard; I'll quote scholarly sources from evolutionary biology and anthropology disciplines.

And if you think those are the equivalent of the Koran, you've further revealed the depths of your intellectual depravity.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:47 | 3123040's picture

In my analogy I equated Rothbard's work with the Koran and you with the Christian fundamentalist who could see no value in that work due to your objections over a single, out-of-context quote. You've further revealed the dearth of your intellectual ability.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:48 | 3123045 IvyMike
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I quoted nothing out-of-context.

You have no more idea of what "out-of-context" means than a Biblical Literalist.

Here's your sign, True Believer:


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:53 | 3123062's picture


I quoted nothing out-of-context.


Now you're simply lying. The Rothbard quote you cited is part of a larger article which you did not cite.


Did you fail to realize that I've been using additional quotes from that article to show that your interpretation is superficial at best?

Please excuse me, but I'm off to the gun shop.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:21 | 3123107 Michaelwiseguy
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We should have an American Citizen Gun Sponsoring Program for Foreign Citizens of Mexico, China, Russian nationals, etc.

These guns and rifles can be obtained by foreign citizens so they have the means to suppress and replace their own tyrannical governments.

The Octogenarians in Congress know their days are numbered by old age. They're all starting to drop dead like ugly old flies. We just have to keep up the offensive against their tyrannical legislation and wait them out till they drop dead like Inouye and Bird or just quit like Leiberman, Dodd, Frant, etc or be voted out of office by a miracle like Luger.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:13 | 3124016 Enslavethechild...
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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:02 | 3123112 IvyMike
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Ah, just like a Biblical Literalist, you claim the whole Bible has to be quoted--or only the quotes you approve--to suit your version of "context."

But enjoy going to the gunshop and participating in the egalitarian power-sharing proffered by the Second Amendment.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:17 | 3123195 eatthebanksters
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Why would any American expect anything less from the politicians that talk out of both sides of their mouth...they passed Obamacare and yet are not subject to the program, they just voted themselves a pay raise in a brutal economy anfter screaming about reducing spending.  Go figure?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:01 | 3123707 SILVERGEDDON

Hey, Ivy Mike.

Like Joe Friday used to say " Just the facts, maam, just the facts. "

Read 'em and weep, you dried up intellecual windbag of elitist propaganda.

If you were burning alive, i wouldn't even piss on you to put out the flames - I would attribute your demise to natural selection, egalitarian style.


China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated 
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. 
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. 
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. 
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. 
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. 
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. 
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! 
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. 
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! 
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.

Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!

Some how the person who wrote this email left out the Jews in Germany, another 3 to 5 million killed,  don’t be so naïve as to think it can’t happen here.


In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. 
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total

of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

If you are a liberal, exterminated doesn’t mean their rights were respected and due process was performed.





Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:22 | 3124032 IvyMike
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I am AGAINST gun control, dimwit. Can't you read? Jeeesh!!!!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:32 | 3124147 Jendrzejczyk
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We applaud your support of proper aim and safety when using a firearm.


Tyler, why is access denied to his account?

Hoping you haven't banned him so that we can see ZH'rs rip him apart.

Bread (not much left actually) and Circuses is all I have left.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:41 | 3124176's picture


Hoping you haven't banned him so that we can see ZH'rs rip him apart.


Beating trolls over the head with their own flawed logic is entertaining up to a point but akak is right -- those who self righteously bandy about straw men and ad hominems obliterate any chance of rational debate.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:47 | 3124189 Enslavethechild...
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You are correct

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 21:34 | 3124391 Jendrzejczyk
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Where do we draw the line?

To protect our 2nd A rights, we must defend his 1st.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 22:18 | 3124462's picture

ZH is private property. It isn't a government publication. The First Amendment doesn't apply.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:32 | 3124141's picture


Ah, just like a Biblical Literalist, you claim the whole Bible has to be quoted--or only the quotes you approve--to suit your version of "context."


You extracted a quote from an article and used it to misrepresent Rothbard's intent in that article. I presented other quotes from that article as well as a link to the article itself to show you the quote in context. The article is only 2.500 words long but you refuse to read it because you think 2,500 words is as long as the Bible.

Is it any wonder that you fail to understand Rothbard when you can't even spend ten minutes reading what the man actually wrote? Are we supposed to recognize you as some sort of authority on Rothbard's views in light of the pride you express in never actually having read his work?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:28 | 3122954 HoofHearted
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AnAnonymous is now IvyMike? Typical Ivy type it appears....

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:30 | 3122967 IvyMike
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Can't address any issues I bring up? So sad.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:40 | 3123010 economics9698
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Tyler blow this guy out, he is adding nothing.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:42 | 3123019 IvyMike
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Just like a crybaby Leftist.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:36 | 3124069 Enslavethechild...
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Ivymike is a troll

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:30 | 3124053 Raymond K Hessel
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Don't feed the trolls.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:20 | 3123833 quasimodo
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Your village is calling, now STFU and go back to your room. Mommy will have cookies and warm milk waiting.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:49 | 3123046 HellFish
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Totally doing a perfect impersonation of a leftist credentialed libtard.  Ivy (League?) LOL.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:53 | 3123064 IvyMike
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Ivy Mike was the first thermonuclear test, dimwit. Read history much?

Oh right, you're a LoLbertarian.

And we know they're all closet Marxists.

"This is no surprise, as libertarianism is basically the Marxism of the Right...Like Marxism, libertarianism offers the fraudulent intellectual security of a complete a priori account of the political good without the effort of empirical investigation. Like Marxism, it aspires, overtly or covertly, to reduce social life to economics."

~Robert Locke
Marxism of the Right, The American Conservative, March 14, 2005

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:15 | 3123175 Jam Akin
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Pretty fucked up, ain't ya?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:50 | 3123394 IvyMike
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Do you charge full market value for doing your Soviet Psychiatry over the Internetz? I hope so!

Bill: $0


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:39 | 3124167 Jendrzejczyk
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You are fun and scrappy, a total Richard, but contrary opinions strengthen our knowledge.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 22:46 | 3124507 Cathartes Aura
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agreed J.

but apparently rubbing too many the *wrong* way, and we can't have that now. . .

if you were looking at the timeline, IvyMike was around for just over a week.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 10:09 | 3125039 nmewn
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Setting up strawman arguments & misrepresentations does tend to rub people the wrong way ;-)

But...back to the topic at hand instead of IvyMike' diversion away from it...Putnam County NY is now refusing FOIA requests on gun permit holders.

For EXACTLY the correct reasons... 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:37 | 3124076 toady
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This asshole has ruined every thread I've looked at today.

Oh well, I'll take a look again tomorrow. Maybe it will go away.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:34 | 3124137 trembo slice
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IvyMike loves the cock.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:10 | 3123151 Anusocracy
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All political systems are belief systems and, except for one, require force to be used against dissenters to be maintained.

That renders those political systems immoral. Panarchism, the exception, is not. It treats political beliefs like religious beliefs, where each person chooses their political system.

It is voluntaryism applied to politics.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:42 | 3123360 IvyMike
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Panarchism isn't a political system, it's a stupid fantasy.

So somebody born into, say, the "religion" of communism, gets to leave voluntarily according to your system? Right!!! That'll work!!!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 21:54 | 3124420 Anusocracy
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Thinking that government is beneficial is a stupid fantasy. Your beliefs are fantasies that exist in your head. Keep them there.

Knowing that other people are not your property is not a fantasy.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:11 | 3122843 IvyMike
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You're confused. Rothbard sometimes said that. But then he'd admit what it really took to implement his system to reform City-Statism (Civilization):

"Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment...unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares?"

~Murray Rothbard

A brutal city-Statist through and through, but he did bullshit a lot of people into thinking he wasn't against violence. Well, all the City-Statists do that, from Stalin to Mao too.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:21 | 3122919 LasVegasDave
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If you don’t like the "unleashing of cops to administer instant punishment," don’t enter the community. You are free to set up your own city state where there is no punishment for wrongdoing.

Rothbard's point was that in an ideal libertarian community people should be free to place whatever restrictions on associations, and access they feel necessary. And of course you are free to agree to the rules required for entry, or to object and move on.

But if the residents decide that hard labor, chain gangs and execution for armed robbery, rape or theft is what they want, you’ll have to agree to that rule of law before entering the community.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:59 | 3122942 IvyMike
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It's funny every day when LoLbertarians parrot the "Love It [Statist violence] or Leave It" bullshit that excuses their aggression.

Why don't you just leave yourself, if you don't like this community's taxes and gummit and brutality?

Go on, GIT. It's YOUR idea. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 21:28 | 3124374 Enslavethechild...
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Why don't you blow us all?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:34 | 3122983's picture

You're confused. Rothbard simply suggested that if the state is going to force itself on individuals then it should provide the security and other services it promises.



Hence the importance, for libertarians or for minimal government conservatives, of having a one-two punch in their armor: not simply of spreading correct ideas, but also of exposing the corrupt ruling elites and how they benefit from the existing system, more specifically how they are ripping us off. Ripping the mask off elites is "negative campaigning" at its finest and most fundamental.


This two-pronged strategy is (a) to build up a cadre of our own libertarians, minimal-government opinion-moulders, based on correct ideas; and (b) to tap the masses directly, to short-circuit the dominant media and intellectual elites, to rouse the masses of people against the elites that are looting them, and confusing them, and oppressing them, both socially and economically. But this strategy must fuse the abstract and the concrete; it must not simply attack elites in the abstract, but must focus specifically on the existing statist system, on those who right now constitute the ruling classes.


Just another case where the <sarc> tags are missing and some people can't figure it out.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:37 | 3122996 IvyMike
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You're like a Biblical Fundamentalist who thinks that if they find one verse they like, it somehow magically negates the verse that is rather embarrassing.

But thanks for letting us all know you're a True Believer.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:42 | 3123016's picture

Can't address any issues I bring up? So sad.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:46 | 3123023 IvyMike
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I addressed them.

You think you can cover-up Rothbardian brutal and openly admitted City-Statist violence with other quotes.

Leninists pull the same bullshit as you.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:07 | 3123773 Anglo Hondo
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That's it, Ivy Mike has turned this site into crap this pm.

I'm off. And will be every time this moron appears.  Goodbye.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:21 | 3124034 akak
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And this is EXACTLY why this IvyMike troll, like every other real troll, must be banned.  It can only take one committed such person to utterly destroy a meaningful online forum.  I have seen exactly that happen more than once, and it is a senseless and needless tragedy.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:45 | 3124183 Jendrzejczyk
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This may be the only time I disagree with you Ak, He's a well trained troll, let's beat him fair and square.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:22 | 3124036 IvyMike
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In the "marketplace of ideas," you can't compete?

Bye, whiner.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:10 | 3124106 akak
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In the marketplace of ideas, you are peddling lead-coated Chinese-made chewtoys for toddlers.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:45 | 3124185's picture

At least he was polite enough to say goodbye before he departed on an unexpected holiday.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:09 | 3122838 GMadScientist
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Egalitarian means equal treatment under the law...something people founding a new country after leaving one with entrenched class structure might find particularly amenable and something we've lost touch with in the age of unjailable conmen and corrupt politicians.

Freedom is one axis over which the equality may be compared, but it is a bit difficult to narrow down exactly what freedom means for each individual, as Rothbard was keen to point out.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:23 | 3122901 IvyMike
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Scientifically, from an evolutionary biology and anthropological standpoint (which I'm using) "egalitarian" means the absence of hierarchy, i.e. NOBODY LORDING-IT-OVER OTHERS.

And only in Egalitarian Non-State societies are humans observed to be the following:

"autonomous and sovereign"

~Elman R. Service (1975), Origins of the State and Civilization: The Process of Cultural Evolution. New York: Norton.

"autonomous and sovereign"

~Christopher Boehm (1999), Hierarchy in the Forest: The Evolution of Egalitarian Behavior. Harvard University Press.

That's freedom, although anthropologists rarely use the term. That's egalitarian, the absence of hierarchy, the absence of over-lords and bosses.

As Service says fully:

"Historically, people in non-state [band and tribal] societies are relatively autonomous and sovereign. They generate their own subsistence with little or no assistance from outside sources. They bow to no external political leaders. Nor are they routinely exploited by outsiders."

That's what we gave up 8000 years ago with the decent into City-Statism (Civilization.)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:55 | 3123070 GMadScientist
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No, conflating that autonomy and egalitarian are one and the same is nonsense.

Of course the state involves a reduction in autonomy, in as much as you are (equally) as prevented from doing things that you'd likewise prevent others from doing (say, child molesting or murder), but the degree to which autonomy is sacrificed is a function of the definition of the government (another point of which the founders were keenly aware, in their decision to specify the state in terms of its limits with respect to citizens in the first place!).

Whether or not this authority of the state, in this respect, is justified is another matter.

As for 'tribal society' being that much more "autonomous and sovereign", I call bullshit; take a look at the well-defined structure in native American tribes and tell me that any given brave could peel off of the rest of the tribe at will and start faming or taking up a life of intellectual pursuit painting really deep art of Americans killing off the buffalo or something.

No more "sovereign" than Ted Kacinsky.

Take a look at any pack or troop in nature and you'll find heirarchy...this is low-brain-stem shit, man!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:58 | 3123090 IvyMike
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Rage against the science like a damn stupid Biblical Literalist. They don't like it either.

And they make up bullshit without any evidence about as easily as you too.

And LoLbertarians dare call themselves "rational."

Funny. Every. Day.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:07 | 3123137 GMadScientist
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"The evolutionary development of morality as an effect of dominance behavior and conflict interference" - C Boehm, 1982

"egalitarianism is in effect a hierarchy in which the weak combine forces to dominate the strong" - C Boehm

People who think they're smart, because they can reference something they obviously have not fucking read, are a hoot!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:43 | 3123365 IvyMike
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I've got the book in my personal library. I've read it. You're a liar.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:44 | 3123668 GMadScientist
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I'm willing to concede that it may just be an issue with your comprehension.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:56 | 3123723 El Oregonian
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Hey Ivy, why don't you go chase parked cars or something. You are starting to make me itch...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:23 | 3124039 IvyMike
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El, I found your daddy, third pic down.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:49 | 3123398 Panafrican Funk...
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Funny that, in the face of such an obvious call-out of the hypocrisy of the gun control "leaders", some dipshit govvy troll like IvyMike comes out of the woodwork and "earns his keep" by massively obfuscating the original text of the post.  IvyMike, have at least a small bit of self-respect and get a real job.  There is no shame in working a McJob if that's what it takes to earn an honest living.  The work ethic and practical skills you will learn will serve you much better in the days to come.  Most of all, you'll be able to sleep at night without that constant, gnawing feeling in your gut that you're a fraud, perpetuating an governmental complex that exists purely for the purposes of extracting wealth from the citizenry.  Let go of all the bullshit, IvyMike, and be the free man you were born to be.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:56 | 3123427 IvyMike
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There's nothing more enjoyable than shooting fish in a gallery like this. It's better than a good chess game.

Funny how you'd be envious of all my free time.

Have you turned green yet, Statist numbskull?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:41 | 3123913 AgAu_man
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Dear IvyMike,

This is too painful to watch...  No disrespect, but:

Q:  Are you a glutton for Down Arrows and a target for the wit of others, or just don't know when to quit? 

Friendly advice:  Maybe you want to come up with a new approach, a new... tack?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:47 | 3123940 akak
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I will give a silver Eagle to the first person to give PoisonIvyMike his first 100th downarrow.

Even without the gift, I suspect that it would not be a long wait.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:24 | 3124047 IvyMike
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Debate as a popularity contest, eh? Are you some Leftard who is glad Obama won a popularity contest?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 21:09 | 3124340 DosZap
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Funny how you'd be envious of all my free time.

Well that explains it, your a 1%'er, or work for the Goobers.And likely live in the best of neighborhoods.

Move to the Hood, or just a hih crime area, to get a real taste of the dregs o0f humanity, without a moral compass, or any valus and mores.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:00 | 3123984 knowless
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i can't believe i'm taking the bait on your retarded bullshit, i should wait a week for you to calm down, but whatever.


"Scientifically, from an evolutionary biology and anthropological standpoint (which I'm using) "egalitarian" means the absence of hierarchy, i.e. NOBODY LORDING-IT-OVER OTHERS."

anthropologically it is impossible to be without hierarchy without the individual and voluntary consent of all parties to an interaction, as biologically, some individuals are inherently better than others in verifiable and demarcatable ways..


I do agree that civilization itself promotes (and is the embodiment of) hierarchies, but attacking the most viable alternative route is useless, I understand your point, that the majority of humanity should be wiped off the face of the earth, but i would ask you to be at least slightly more pragmatic in your approach to reasoning, as genocide is generally frowned upon.

please do stick around, but try to refine your terms, you really do sound like ananonymous..

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:26 | 3124049 IvyMike
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anthropologically it is impossible to be without hierarchy

Cite? (from evolutionary biology or anthropological science)

Oh right, you have none.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:11 | 3122852 El Oregonian
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Hey, you're right. I made all my slaves equal so in their world, THEY'RE ALL FREE!!!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:20 | 3122909 IvyMike
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Slavery implies hierarchy (bosses).

Egalitarianism is the absence of hierarchy.

Check your premises.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:26 | 3122945 El Oregonian
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The premise is we're all behind walls of our own making and someone is in control on the other side.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:56 | 3122980 IvyMike
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"See the animal in his cage that you built? Are you sure what side you're on?"

~Nine Inch Nails, Right Where It Belongs

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:32 | 3123629 SILVERGEDDON

Ivy Mike. Go fuck yourself you intellectual desert on legs.

I'll take the well recorded statements and reasoning of the architects of the Constitution Of The United States over some limp dick weenie from the ninteys all fucking day long.

Hierarchy in the Forest, my ass.

The Founding Fathers statements regarding guns in the hands of citizens to balance power and corruption in government are well known public record.

They got it more right than they knew possible - nearly 300 years ago.  

You, sir, are no citizen - you, sir, are a lemming.

Go help out natural selection at a cliff near you. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:25 | 3122938 trav777
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actually they were happier, healthier, better-fed, and had longer average life expectancies than northern laborers.

You should stop taking what you think you know about slavery from "Django Unchained" or Roots.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:48 | 3123390 DaveyJones
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admit it, you're black

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 11:20 | 3125113 GMadScientist
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You're right, the slavers in Django were portrayed as educated white men...what a crock!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:18 | 3123198 Buckaroo Banzai
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"If Lincoln had just enslaved all the white folks instead of freeing the blacks it would be a perfect nation."

Actually, if you think about it long enough, you'll realize that's exactly what the result was. Can't say that he did it personally, because he was assassinated before it all happened, but take a careful look at the 14th Amendment, the 16th Amendment, and the 17th Amendment.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:55 | 3123434 IvyMike
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Take a look at the wage slavery. No Amendment Conspiracy necessary.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:02 | 3122785 booboo
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is that you Buckley?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:13 | 3122867 Dick Buttkiss
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You wouldn't know Rothbard from rhubarb, IvyMike, and would be better served if you didn't go out of your way to disply your ignorance.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:20 | 3122915 IvyMike
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Rothtardians usually hate my quoting him accurately.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:39 | 3123003 shovelhead
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But way out of context.

Amusing to watch someone play whack a mole with their own strawmen.

Carry on.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:45 | 3123029 IvyMike
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You have no more idea of what "out-of-context" means than a Biblical Literalist.

Here's your sign, True Believer:


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:46 | 3123374 Dick Buttkiss
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Rothbard (libertarianism) stands for equality before the law -- where law (governance) is limited to the protection of life, liberty, and property -- not equality of result via statist coercion. Rothbard therefore stands for hierarchy, command, and authority as these are merited by the results of voluntary cooperation.

In a free society, cream rises to the top, in other words, whereas society merely gets creamed in the statism whereby the few who run things are always "more equal" than everybody else.

Or to put it another way, IvyBoy, you're an idiot.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:37 | 3123468 IvyMike
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In a free society, cream rises to the top...

Are you KOCHsucking Goldman's Sacks and Timmy's Turbo while you mumble that?

Rothbard therefore stands for hierarchy, command, and authority...

LoLbertards are just like Stalin and Mao and Hitler and Obama; thanks for confirming what I said.


Seig heil! The mask has been ripped off LoLbertarianism, control-freaks who want to be your BOSS. Just like any goddam pinko.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 20:16 | 3123855 Dick Buttkiss
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I said "In a free society," IvyGirl, not a crony capitalist kleptocracy on the fast track to oblivion. And your inability to tell the difference between the two only reinforces why you should put the mouse down, holler upstairs for an early dinner, and get to bed by nine.

No, there aren't many jobs, and no they aren't any good ones, but that doesn't mean you can't get up early, go outside, apply for some, and pretend that you could qualify for one.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 09:32 | 3125007 BigInJapan
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Lost your job recently? You sound bored and bitter.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:11 | 3123158 linrom
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You hit the nail on the head. A redneck with a gun is to be feared as much as 'nigga on the trigga.'

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:45 | 3122693 MiguelitoRaton
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I would like to see a "Map of Unarmed People to Rob" listing all who do not own guns and then sharging $9.99 per year to remove their name.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:46 | 3122697 MiguelitoRaton
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When do we get maps by sexual preference, alcohol consumption, religion, etc. Inquiring minds and all...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:48 | 3122711 TheDarkKnight
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I bet you FB has some internal maps based on user data, become a large enough shareholder im sure you could see it for yourself

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:54 | 3122748 IvyMike
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Indeed. Folks should quit providing very personal REALITY SHOW CONENT that Facebook uses and abuses to carry their advertising.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:20 | 3123215 Buckaroo Banzai
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I want a map of all libtards in my area, so I know how to protect myself and my children from the mental illness of Chronic Libtard-itude.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:59 | 3122768 LFMayor
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Those maps alone should be enough to tell them not to poke the sleeping bear.  Idiots.  They know not what they do.  Do these fucking martinets that call for disarmament think that there will be enough people to willingly comply?
LOL.  And if not, then what?
Is Diane Finklestain or that lard ass dick sucking governor of IL Quinn going to go door to door themselves?  After the first "incidents", I wonder what sort of incentives they'll have to propose in order to get volunteers to go round up those millions of evil black rifles?

An entire Legion of my finest knuckle dragging, copenhagen dippin', cousin bangin', nascar watchin', pork rind eatin', dynamite fishin', dukes of hazard worshippin' rednecks awaits them in the wilds of flyover country.

let's fucking get this over and done with you parasitic fucking would be dictators.  At least Mao or Fidel had balls enough to carry a rifle and LEAD their revolutions.  Think you got the stones too? Enough talk. Your Move.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:19 | 3123210 ZeroAvatar
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You left out 'ridge-runnin' and 'banjo-playin'.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:21 | 3123229 Buckaroo Banzai
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and corn-liquor swillin'

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:41 | 3123355 Chump
Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:04 | 3123487 Bad Attitude
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Don't forget doctors, lawyers, engineers and ex-military who aren't going to play Dear Leader/Feinstein/Quinn's game.

Besides guns and ammunition, when you can find them, stockpile shelf-stable food and water.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:29 | 3123612 MagicHandPuppet
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Dear Gun-grabbing-fantasizers;


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:53 | 3122735 Dave Thomas
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We need the Alcohol Consumption one stat, Annheiser Busch seems to be a litte slow in this neck of the woods. A map like that might be able to shore up their distribution problems.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:19 | 3123208 Never One Roach
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Miguel, Google already has that info.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 11:25 | 3125116 GMadScientist
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-- I would like to see a "Map of Unarmed People to Rob" --

And can I please overlay that with a map of "People with Shit Worth Stealing"?

Last thing I need is to break into one of those homes from Hoarders and spend all night finding the one or two things I can take to Antiques Roadshow or the pawnshop.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:36 | 3122649 IndomitableMan
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I'm trying to see where you draw your conclusion. Unless your comparing apples and bicycles?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:40 | 3122673 Quinvarius
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So you are saying we should do this for bankers and Jews too then?  LOL.  I wouldn't want some anti-gun nut knowing where I live.  Anti-gun nuts are all crazy.  have you ever seen one that was mentally balanced?  No.  You have not.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:54 | 3122738 poppy574
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I think you had a typo?!  Surely you meant to say "have you ever seen a gun-nut that was mentally balanced".

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:03 | 3122784 francis_sawyer
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I don't need a list of addresses to know where jews & bankers live...


- They're in Washington DC lobbying for AIPAC

- They're in New York stealing your money

- They're in Hollywood producing Quentin Tarantino flicks that feature black guys getting hired to kill whitey


I'll be merciful & give all the rest a hall pass to pause & 'think about it' when the mob finally wakes up & gets angry...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:55 | 3123074 Quinvarius
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No.  Look at the anti-gun nuts.  They are all hysterical, emotional, unbalanced and kooky.  Be realistic man.  The anti-gun nuts are people are irrational and violent zealots.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 21:45 | 3124291 Dick Buttkiss
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You would agree, then, poppy, that these two weren't, as you say, "mentally balanced":

"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns; that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." -- Mao Tse Tung

 "We don't let them have ideas.  Why would we let them have guns?" -- Joseph Stalin


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:54 | 3122740 poppy574
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I think you had a typo?!  Surely you meant to say "have you ever seen a gun-nut that was mentally balanced".

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:00 | 3122771's picture

At least two of your multiple personalities agree on that point.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:49 | 3123945 AgAu_man
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I think you had a typo?!  Surely you meant to say "have you ever seen a gun-nut that was mentally balanced".

Sorry, but you get 1 Down from me purely for blatant bad grammar.  Can't stand it when people say "that" when they should say "who". 

This is a personal pet-peeve, that seems all-pervasive in the MSM.  I've even heard people use it, who should know better.  E.g. Clinton, Obama.  Active-lowbrow grammar on their part?  Sheesh!


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:33 | 3124149's picture

Grammar nut.


Just kiddin'.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 16:37 | 3125623 mckee
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Have you ever known a grammar nut that was mentally balanced?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:42 | 3122682 Killtruck
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Not all speech is protected, particularly that which places others at risk of harm or death.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:24 | 3123856 FeralSerf
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Speech of a political nature commonly places others at risk of harm or death.  There are many examples.  Does that mean political speech is not protected and should be banned?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:47 | 3122705 Stoploss
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God Damn i love the smell of revoultion in the morning.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:22 | 3122924 trav777
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refusing to provide information to the press isn't an infringement on their right to say anything.  Idjit.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 22:04 | 3124437 SILVERGEDDON

Ivy Mike - the reincarnation of Million Dollar Bonus, compliments of a Webster's dictionary.

Supplimented with the toenail shelf scrapings from an effete pseudo intellectiuial's bookshelves tossed into the dumpster after the moving day garage sale.

Well , Zero Hedge Bitchez, at least he'es trying to crawl out of the lackey swamp his overlords let him muck around in.

Once a lackey, always a lackey, though.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:41 | 3122675 Intoxicologist
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Very crusty!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:56 | 3122757 MagicHandPuppet
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Nice.  I needed that!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:07 | 3122824 DaveyJones
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I didn't appreciate it until I started reading the translation at the bottom

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:21 | 3123222 Jam Akin
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Excellent "trolling" audio/visual.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:44 | 3122687 bank guy in Brussels
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Hey dude ... re 'What other nation ... egalitarian ?' ... you are caught in American exceptionalist propaganda bull-shite

Our revolutionary tradition here ... the *Official* version and principles:

Liberté - Égalité - Fraternité ... Liberty - Equality - Brotherhood

French Revolution of 1789 ... People in the streets storming the Bastille

The French Revolution was in fact more important than the American one ... You can see that in the way that Continental Europe is a much better place to live today, more than the Anglo countries, UK or police-state USA

The power of people in the streets, that is the centre ... not 'voting' or paper 'Constitutions' which can all be corrupted, like the dead US Constitution in today's America

There is no substitute for people power, the general strike, shutting down the government and storming the Bastille

You will see that again here shortly, in Greece, in Italy, in Spain and in Portugal, against the EU and 'Troika'

Americans should have kept their national capital in Philadelphia, not build a new isolated one that people could never easily take over

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:49 | 3123691 IvyMike
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Liberté - Égalité - Fraternité!

That concept was imported from North America to City-Statist Europe primarily because of colonial contact with Egalitarian Non-State peoples.

See James Axtell and Jack Weatherford for further details.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:04 | 3123760 Clashfan
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The myth of the French Revolution? Yet?


"In 1789, the dying curse of de Molay re-emerged in the actions of French Freemasons, heirs to the traditions (and perhaps the secrets) of the Knights Templar. These Freemasons were responsible for orchestrating the French Revolution against both the Catholic Church, and the current political state. King Philippe's descendant, Louis XVI, was beheaded before a cheering crowd.


As the king's head rolled off the guillotine, a man reportedly leapt onto the scaffold and flung Louis' blood all over the crowd, shouting 'Jacques de Molay, thou art avenged!'"

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 06:35 | 3124889 The Heart
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"These Freemasons were responsible for orchestrating the French Revolution against both the Catholic Church, and the current political state."

Why does this sound so familiar?

Momento Mori!


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:53 | 3122737 Chupacabra-322
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DHS Buys 200,000 More Rounds of Ammunition

While the Obama administration sets out to eviscerate the gun rights of American citizens in the aftermath of Sandy Hook, earlier this week it was announced that the Department of Homeland Security has awarded a company a contract worth over $45,000 dollars to provide the DHS with 200,000 more rounds of bullets.



Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:58 | 3122765 Banksters
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“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

Barak Obama


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:02 | 3122787's picture

That force is authorized in the "Healthcare" law. Officers to be appointed by the President with congressional oversight except in times of emergency when the President can act unilaterally. That explains the 1.6 billion rounds of ammo.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:31 | 3123284 Buckaroo Banzai
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Link for that?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:14 | 3124012's picture




Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows:
(1) IN GENERAL.–here shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency.
(2) REQUIREMENT.–All commissioned officers shall be citizens of the United States and shall be appointed without regard to the civil-service laws and compensated without regard to the Classification Act 2 of 1923, as amended.
(3) APPOINTMENT.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President and commissioned officers of the Regular Corps shall be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.
(4) ACTIVE DUTY.–Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including active duty for the purpose of training
(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.–Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commissioned officer within the Commissioned Corps of the Service.
(b) ASSIMILATING RESERVE CORP OFFICERS INTO THE REGULAR CORPS.—Effective on the date of enactment of the Affordable Health Choices Act, all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this section (as such section existed on the day before the date of enactment of such Act) and serving on active duty shall be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps.
(1) PURPOSE.–The purpose of the Ready Reserve Corps is to fulfill the need to have additional Commissioned Corps personnel available on short notice (similar to the uniformed service’s reserve program) to assist regular Commissioned Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions.
(2) USES.–The Ready Reserve Corps shall–
(A) participate in routine training to meet the general and specific needs of the Commissioned Corps;
(B) be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel;
(C) be available for backfilling critical positions left vacant during deployment of active duty Commissioned Corps members, as well as for deployment to respond to public health emergencies, both foreign and domestic; and
(D) be available for service assignment in isolated, hardship, and medically underserved communities (as defined in section 399SS) to improve access to health services.
(d) FUNDING.—For the purpose of carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the Commissioned Corps under this section, there are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to the Office of the Surgeon General for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014. Funds appropriated under this subsection shall be used for recruitment and training of Commissioned Corps Officers.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:13 | 3123530 Bad Attitude
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Dear Leader's brownshirts. He needs his own politicaly reliable force.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:02 | 3122786 Stoploss
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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:03 | 3122796 Stoploss
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You've already got one horse out of the pasture, and no fence.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:10 | 3122818 SheepDog-One
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Did you hear they already had a BRAND NEW school built and ready to go and Sandy Hook Elementary was scheduled for demolition? Same design so the old furnishings would fit right in, already moved there....hmm a COPY of Sandy Hook Elementary already built! "Sandy Hook" New School ..Demolition of Sandy Hook school planned - YouTube

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:32 | 3123291 Buckaroo Banzai
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...and some local contractors get rich, too. A local version of Larry Silverstein, if you will. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 02:12 | 3124740 New World Chaos
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Odd, but it would be the perfect place to practice the raid.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:04 | 3122799 LFMayor
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Good!  The more straps, gats and caps we get into play, the better. 

It's just like wrestling.  For all you metrosexshuls who aren't in the know, the rassling match doesn't get fun until someone tosses a folding chair into the ring.   Think all these purchases as folding chairs, and they're going to get Used.

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