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Guest Post: Anti-Gun Newspaper Hires Armed Guards – Reveals Its Own Hypocrisy

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

Sometimes I just have to smile when faced with anti-gun propagandists, regardless of the vicious statements they make, because I know from years of past experience in this debate that because of their deep rooted hypocrisy, they WILL inevitably make my pro-gun case for me.  All I have to do is sit back and wait for them to contradict themselves...

After the Sandy Hook attacks, the NRA responded with the suggested measure of establishing armed security guards at public schools in order to ensure there is a defensive presence in place to meet any violent threat.  I personally agree with the idea, though I believe it doesn’t go far enough.  Frankly, allowing teachers to legally carry on school grounds would be a much more effective deterrent, promoting the ability of average citizens to protect themselves rather than constantly relying on some uniformed official. 

The Obama Administration, of course, responded negatively to the NRA’s position and has yet to even address or acknowledge the idea of armed teachers.  Obama shrugged off the NRA, claiming he was “skeptical” of the armed security concept, all while sending his own children to a private school protected by at least 11 armed sentries not counting Secret Service agents:

So, Obama is “skeptical” of an armed presence at your children’s school, but not his own children’s school?  Yes, it’s incredibly hypocritical.  My question to the president would be:  If armed guards don’t make a difference, why have your children surrounded by them?  I would be interested to hear his response.  Perhaps he believes his children are more important than our own…

Then there’s that wretched gun grabbing swamp hag, Senator Diane Feinstein; a true anti-gun zealot who has openly admitted that if she thought she could get away with it, she would pursue the complete disarmament of the entire U.S. citizenry.  The same zealot who after the Oklahoma City bombing had this to say at a senate hearing:

“I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. I walked to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon and I made the determination if somebody was going to try and take me out, I was going to take them with me…”

Apparently she saw the need for firearms in the defense of her own life, but not the need for the average citizen to have the same opportunity.

And what about Senator Chuck Schumer, who called for the president to use the excuse of “national security” and terrorism to force through restrictive gun legislation?  The man who also voted against a bill which would have prevented outside entities like the UN from asserting gun control treaties that affect the American public?  Well, Chuck has his own concealed carry permit in the state of New York, of all places, and still continues his antigun rhetoric.  Again, do they see themselves as part of a higher and more valuable class of people?  How do they explain these contradictions in their position?

What about media gigolo Michael Moore and his theater of the absurd?  Playing the role of gun fan while at the same time incessantly promoting gun control rhetoric using skewed information and disingenuous talking points?  The same man who suggested that the sound of a racking shotgun on tape is as effective as having the real thing uses bodyguards armed with THE REAL THING, one of whom was recently arrested for carrying an unlicensed weapon into JFK Airport:,2933,144921,00.html#ixzz2FnQC65J3

But anti-gun propagandists with armed bodyguards are nothing new.  In fact, anti-gun mayor Michael Bloomberg travels with a cadre of five to six bodyguards, all packing heat.  Why do these people who say they despise guns and gun ownership continue surrounding themselves with the same “devilish weaponry”?  It’s simple; because the mere reality of gun ownership deters criminal attack.  If it didn’t, they wouldn’t rely on firearms at all. 

Apparently, this same fact has suddenly dawned on The Journal News in New York, which has received a flurry of attention (mostly negative) for their insane idea of publishing maps of New York suburban neighborhoods “outing” the names and addresses of all those who have concealed carry permits.  The Journal News has yet to officially address why they chose to do this, but the paper is, needless to say, anti-gun; publishing articles that call for ALL firearms owners, not just those with CCW, to be cataloged and mapped:

Their rationale?  All gun owners should be mapped so that anti-gun citizens can “know who their neighbors are” and the “possible danger that surrounds them”.  The assertion that the newspaper is making is that all gun owners should be treated as potential threats, like convicted pedophiles.  Their philosophy is to consider us guilty until proven innocent.

It is an interesting and manipulative strategy.  The intent is first to promote a national firearms database, which just happens to be a primary part of Diane Feinstein’s coming gun control legislation, as well as to cultivate a kind of “culture of shame” surrounding gun ownership.  The Journal News motto should be:  “Own a gun?  We’ll make sure everyone knows what a monster you are…” 

The paper follows with the argument that people should be allowed to know who in a neighborhood is armed so that they can make an “informed decision” on whether or not they want to live there.  As I have stated in recent articles on the gun control issue, the anti-gun fears of terrified yuppies are not our concern.  They should be required to control THEIR fear, not allowed to control OUR guns.  Their fears do not and should not override our constitutional liberties, and frankly, I couldn’t care less if they want to live in a gun free neighborhood or not. 

Using the gun map philosophy, a universe of invasive collectivist enforcement becomes available.  Why not, for instance, create a map of every person who has been diagnosed by a psychiatrist and given psychotropic medications?  Since almost every person who has committed atrocities like Sandy Hook in the course of the past two decades was under the influence of psychotropics at the time it only follows that everyone on these drugs is a potential threat according to the logic of The Journal News.  I suspect though that at least half of their staff, just like half of New York, is highly medicated, and probably would not endorse such a measure. 

County Officials in New York State are now revolting against the gun map initiatives of The Journal News, denying them further information on permit holders in other counties in order to avoid possible danger to those citizens.  Reuters has responded to this unexpectedly reasonable response by, surprise, attacking it:

State officials denying The Journal access to permit holder names and addresses is so far one of the only sane things being done in the state of New York when it comes to the gun debate, but according to the Reuters opinion piece, such an action is “crazy”.  Is permit holder information a matter of public record?  Yes, for now.  Does that mean that The Journal News should be allowed to exploit that information to satiate their own personal zealotry while making it easy for criminals to devise threat assessments?  The State of New York doesn’t seem to think so.  Honestly, if I was a non-gun owning citizen in New York, I would be much more upset at The Journal than if I was on their list.  Essentially, the newspaper has just advertised who on their map is a potentially easy target… 

Finally, displaying their own grand level of hypocrisy, The Journal News has hired ARMED security guards to protect them from the possible wrath of the angry populace they put at risk:

Is the staff of the newspaper in danger?  Well…yes, of course they are!  That kind of blind idiocy and hubris tends to attract wild fury in response.  However, the point remains; when faced with conceivable violence, they turned to the practical solution of armed intervention, just like ANYONE with any sense would.  They admonish us for wanting the right to defend ourselves in the most efficient way available (private firearms ownership) while at the same time surrounding themselves with a shield of guns. 

The gun grabber personality is interminably flawed, but it could be summarized thus:

They believe the whole of society should cater to their personal concerns.  That we should give up our rights just to make them feel safer.  And, that they are somehow a step above the rest of us, and do not need to practice what they preach.  My question is, why should we go out of our way to please such weaklings and frauds?  I have yet to hear a good reason...


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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:15 | 3122882 GubbermintWorker
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200,000? Damn, they're catching up to my hoard!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:28 | 3123260 Agent P
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22.5 cents per round for good factory 40s...I am officially jealous.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:56 | 3123441 chubbar
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You did read where the company was set up 5 days before the bids were put out and this new "shell" company won the bid, didn't you? It sounds like a scam, not a real contract being fulfilled.

".......The address provided to DHS and the Secretary of State is 105 S Eastern Avenue. Let’s use the NSA’s golden child, Google, to take a look what’s there:

What you see is the street corner of East Fremont Street and the intersection of North Eastern Avenue and South Eastern Avenue. On the opposite side of the street is an ARCO gas station.

Does anyone see a business capable of providing 200,000 rounds of jacketed hollow point rounds to the Federal Government? There’s not even a MailBoxes Etc to accept mail! 105 S Eastern Avenue looks like the parking lot for a bodega.

The listed principals, Grace Hodge and Larayne Whitehead, are director and president respectively. Nowhere can they be found attached to Evian Group, Inc, which is unusual, as the whole purpose of running a business is to create a steady stream of revenue. They cannot be found on LinkedIn, where people network to get more business, or even in Google as a website. is parked by for a future site, and Bravenet is hosting

Furthermore, no property or telephone records exist for the principals. The people do not seem to exist.

In reviewing the DUNS (Dun and Bradstreet) record, when the telephone number was called, it was not a business line, but a rather unusual phrase was used, “…[P]lease download line 2”.

So the question of the moment is this: Is this a payoff to a mobster or someone of less-than-honest intent? Or is this graft for Harry Reid, the incumbent Senator for Nevada? "

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:03 | 3123476 LFMayor
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This is good work man.  There's also the added bonus aside from laundering the payouts that would serve to "warn" those inbred flyover militia types.  I mean come on ya'll, if they have that much ammo there's no way we could win with just our squirrel guns.

Problem is, they aint all the Huttaree Trailer Park Defense League type.  Here be Monsters.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:46 | 3123035 Osmium
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God created man.  Samuel Colt made them equal.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:53 | 3123066 Roandavid
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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:16 | 3123539 Investor Wizard
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I like unicorns

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:25 | 3122599 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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Precious metals bitchez, gotta love em!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:00 | 3123983 AgAu_man
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Au_Ag_CuPbCu, do you like to load up extra on copper?  :-)  If you mean Pb partially encased by Brass, then you must mean Pb+CuZn.  No?

But who am I to argue with your PM sentiment?  :-)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:27 | 3122602 midtowng
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Hiring armed guards to protect yourself from armed enemies in a land filled with guns is NOT hypocrisy. Sorry.

Also, quoting Brietbart is not a reliable source of anything (especially since the guy admitted that he has no problem with lying).

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:35 | 3122645 ebworthen
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You mean to say a propaganda outlet espousing that no guns = less violence hiring gaurds with guns is not hypocrisy?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:37 | 3122658 midtowng
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That's exactly what I'm saying when you are living in a land filled with guns.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:41 | 3122674 pazmaker
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I fail to follow your logic, or rather it is not existent.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:52 | 3122726 bloostar
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I gather from this that you mean the previous poster is simply talking boll0cks? +1 :-)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:17 | 3122896 XitSam
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That is exactly the point. Gun controlers are using emotion, not logic. DiFi has been working on her bill for a year she said. So she waited for a trajedy to promote gun control. So she could have prevented the shooting but didn't. The blood is on her hands.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:39 | 3123329 Buckaroo Banzai
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Got a few Libtard Douchebags on parade here today!

Welcome libtard douchebag fucksticks! DailyKosTard getting a little stale lately? HuffPuff getting a little boring? Bring your 'tardness here, we need some libtards to mock and laugh at!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:36 | 3124072 midtowng
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Then let me explain it to you in terms you can understand:

Let's say you support peace on Earth, brotherly love and all that good stuff.

Then someone comes up and punches you in the nose and prepares to beat you to death. By your logic above, if you do anything to defend yourself from death, by say, striking him back, you are a hypocrite.

  That's why your logic is rediculous. Someone CAN defend themselves from a mortal threat and still honestly believe in the cause of non-violence/defending their lives, etc.

  A person doesn't have to be as pure as Jesus to believe in justice, peace, honesty, etc. and not be a hypocrite.

  So hating gun violence and working to end it doesn't mean you can't hire people with guns to defend yourself from people with guns is hypocritical (when no other option exists other than not defending yourself).

  But then I am talking in something other than absolutes, so this will probably get flamed or ignored.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:45 | 3122694 Shell Game
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So, you think armed, anti-gun Overlords would disarm themselves once they disarmed the populace?



Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:41 | 3123344 Buckaroo Banzai
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Don't look for logic in the libtard brain, they are so busy worshipping their satanic idols, it scrambles their brains, don't you know! MENTALLY AND MORALLY DISEASED!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:26 | 3125148 Shell Game
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I thought perhaps he might arm himself with logic on a blog full of logic..  ;^)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:47 | 3122704 Quinvarius
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No.  Actually you are merely exhibiting hypocrisy.  But you know how stupid you sound.  So there is no point going any deeper into it.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:48 | 3122709 ebworthen
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So their actions support the Second Amendment for their benefit while their words deny it for the Populace; sounds hypocritical to me.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:09 | 3122832's picture


That's exactly what I'm saying when you are living in a land filled with guns.


So is the solution is total civilian disarmament or total disarmament period?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:17 | 3122897 GubbermintWorker
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No, the solution is total civilian armament.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:43 | 3123024 Rubbish
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Guns to the left of me, guns to the right of me. Handloads everywhere. Come on over bad guys. We will see how tough you are with a marksman shooting back.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:10 | 3123512 LFMayor
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The real bitch-kitty of your solution is actually doing it.  That's where The Mighty Socialists always fall short.  When it's time to actually - do - things- like- you know - work.  Especially if there's no one else to co-opt to do it for them.

But I tell you what, I'll dust off a classic.  We'll go All Chips In.  One Hand Played.   I'll see your "solution" and raise you a Final Solution.  Know that one?

You want to fucking push it?  Fine.

I want this shit to get Ended.  I do not want my children to have to deal with progs.  I want my grandchildren to read about progs as a simple cautionary tale, an all but forgotten folk legend, well on the way to mythos.  I hope to see progs contribute to global warming and carbon emissions.  I dearly want to do this, do it once and do it with finality.

Now turn me loose.  Please.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:46 | 3122699 phoolish
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The "Newspaper" cannot hire armed guards to "protect itself" because it's not alive so can't be effected by a gun at all.


Opps, this is the US, where corporations are people too.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:48 | 3122703 dwdollar
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"Hiring armed guards to protect yourself from armed enemies in a land filled with guns is NOT hypocrisy. Sorry."

There's no true gun free zone/land. There's only places where it's legal for the plebes to own/carry them and places where it's not.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:16 | 3122886 El Oregonian
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No, but bitching about others wanting to defend themselves all the while packing yourself is...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:47 | 3122708 bank guy in Brussels
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Andrew Breitbart was found 'suddenly dead' early in 2012 at age 43 ... maybe murdered

Whatever Breitbart's views, Breitbart media now is not him, like Apple is not Steve Jobs anymore

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:43 | 3123366 Buckaroo Banzai
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?? "Maybe" murdered?

Of course he was. All they had to do was pay off one coroner, and one assassin. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:50 | 3122710 xtop23
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You forgot the /sarc tag I'm sure. Otherwise, I must tell you that is one of the most mind-numbingly idiotic statements I've read on ZH.

.... and there has been some real whoppers.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:59 | 3122769 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"Hiring armed guards to protect yourself from armed enemies in a land filled with guns is NOT hypocrisy. Sorry."

The hell its not u moron.  Don't forget about fat assed Rosie O'Donnell.  Shes another one who rants about her hate for guns, but lives in a gated community protected by......GUNS!!

Also, the first amendment will fall right after the 2nd amendment falls, and

Shotguns and handguns are to protect yourself from criminals.  Assault weapons are there to protect us from totalitarian government.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:11 | 3122850's picture


Assault weapons are there to protect us from totalitarian government.


I think you mean anti-assault weapons  -- those that are kept in order to prevent assault.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:46 | 3123380 Buckaroo Banzai
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The handgun defends your person.

The shotgun defends your home.

The rifle defends your freedom.

That's EXACTLY why they are trying desperately to demonize semi-automatic rifles, and get them out of our hands. They make a lot of noise about handguns, but its the rifles they really want.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 00:46 | 3124674 Oliver Klozoff
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Comment of the year! Decade! All time comment award winner!

Incredibly there are people who cannot see the basic truth in this statement.

Even more incredible is how this one country can produce people with such diametrically opposed views.

Somehow, I was led to believe that FREEDOM, the ability, the right, the RESPONSIBILITY to choose, would automatically result in a sane society. One whose judgement was not only impeccable and unassailable but arrived at en masse.

Where did I err in my belief?



Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:31 | 3123879 DosZap
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Go here and sign up,EX Hero(now treasonous, and poison) McCain turning on US yet again,TEAMING up w/ the worm Reid,trying to Alter Senate Voting procedures.........

This MUST BE stopped.

Or we are in a heap of shit.

POST this on every site you know, we need as many people as possible sending their Senators this PLEA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:49 | 3123048 alangreedspank
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Nobody is saying that either. It's advocating against guns while doing what you described where the hypocrisy arises.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:26 | 3123243 DosZap
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Hiring armed guards to protect yourself from armed enemies in a land filled with guns is NOT hypocrisy. Sorry

OH YES it is!, and here's why.

These folks that are CCP holders have been (if like most states) fingerprinted(FBI), trained with a minimum of 40 hrs classtime, and range time separately, and a background check done with their local neighbors contacted,for references.

These people are the Bedrock of a society that Observes the law.

(otherwise they would just carry, and break the law).

Like the author said, all they have done is targeted the NON holders to attack, and probably more daytime break ins by Druggies/Bangers, and now all,in BOTH  will have an extra danger to and for their families because of these idiots.

CCP holders are 98% of the best citizens in their resective areas, the CRIME stats of CCP holders proves it.

Why did they not put out the FACTS Latest from FBI, that from 2005-2011,Hammers killed more people in the USA than Rifles?.

If LE doesn't think it's dangerous, why should THEY?.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:28 | 3122605 Papasmurf
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A Christian Scientist with appendicitis soon discards false beliefs.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:29 | 3122610 Taint Boil
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I bet I could freeze watermelons then catapult them at people and do a lot of damage – what then, outlaw watermelons?


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:43 | 3122686 Fist full of CDOs
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Or turds. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:56 | 3122759 francis_sawyer
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or trojan rabbits...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:13 | 3122866's picture




  GUARD:  (Fetchez la vache.)
  GUARD:  (Fetchez la vache!)
  ARTHUR:  If you do not agree to my commands, then I shall--
      Jesus Christ!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:44 | 3122688 SilverIsKing
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A great way to reduce rape in our country would be to castrate all men.  We are all threats to women but if we got our dicks chopped off, there would definitely be fewer rapes in our country.  Maybe Bloomberg would support this too.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:54 | 3122742 Fred Hayek
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He's the beta tester for your idea.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:06 | 3122813 LFMayor
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+1000.  Awesome!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:24 | 3123854 quasimodo
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How to you castrate a guy with a vagina again?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:30 | 3123271 AgAu_man
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I know of some new Congress Women who would and do support this: E.g. the Lesbians and the now Trans-Gender Man/Woman/It would.  Others would vote in sympathy to them and as PC solidarity.  Oh, how effeminate a nation we have/will become!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 01:11 | 3124704 Oliver Klozoff
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Excepting the gays of course. They NEED their ejaculations. And they pose no threat to women, excepting competition.


Now that I've pondered your no longer ridiculous idea a few minutes, why not try it out in the prison system?

Get convicted for a violent crime? Off they go!

Just imagine how many prison guards tpb can lay off. Win, win.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:51 | 3122727 bank guy in Brussels
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Many thousands of people die each year falling in bathtubs

Mayor Bloomberg will perhaps lead the charge on bathtub-control

And in crazy Great Britain - which confiscated all handguns in the late 1990s, only to see violent gun crimes double ... they have a new theme

'Knife control'

They even have professional chefs speaking out, that various larger kitchen knives 'like assualt rifles', are 'not needed' ...

Karl Denninger covered this ... his link

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:38 | 3123323 AgAu_man
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Good one, BGIB!   Sorry if I 'chided' you a bit some days ago (about the Belgians).  No hard feelings on my part.  None on yours, I hope.

If we extrapolate your idea to its logical conclusion, we would (a) do a PARETO of causes of death and (b) start a Petition to the White House (WH), to address causes and preventions of death in a rational manner, using 'SMART' goals.  I think 25k votes are needed.

"Pareto' guy, "Mr Spock", would that be... too logical for POT-US, for DC?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:14 | 3124020 BidnessMan
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180,000+ die in the US every year from medical mistakes.....  ban Doctors and Nurses next?


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:01 | 3122779 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"I bet I could freeze watermelons then catapult them at people and do a lot of damage – what then, outlaw watermelons?"

Someday you might be lucky to throw your own shit at your keepers.  Like a monkey in a cage.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:08 | 3122831 viahj
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no, outlaw catapults and heavily tax watermelons

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:10 | 3122842 TPTB_r_TBTF
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No, you would ban the catapult.  Catapults already [seem to] fall under any laws restricting slingshots, bows and the like.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:20 | 3122911 El Oregonian
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No, seeds. This is for future crime, you know, like the movie.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:30 | 3122975 salvadordaly
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or catapults, or people using the catapult, or the farmer that grew the watermelon, see where we are headed?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:32 | 3123886 Vooter
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Could you kill 27 people in half an hour or so with your frozen watermelons?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:11 | 3124010 AgAu_man
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Cool (pun intended) as this would be, I rather suspect that certain 'select' Americans who are afraid of too many 'non-select' Americans with ARs & high capacity magazines, are not afraid of your cool cannon.  No matter how many were around.  For one thing, they'd have to get past the Monsanto lobby, and their GMO melons.  ;-)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:29 | 3122613 buzzsaw99
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gun control = being able to hit where you aim

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:03 | 3122797 e_goldstein
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long scoped bolt action rifles. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:50 | 3123051 The Heart
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Gun control is a steady hand.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:34 | 3123632 Bad Attitude
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Gun control isn't about guns. It's about control.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:29 | 3122614 gmak
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I'm not sure, but I think that if everyone was openly armed - not concealed - then society would be a much more polite environment to live within.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:44 | 3122689 Vooter
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Until someone came up behind you and shot you in the back of the head just for the fun of it...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:07 | 3122825 LFMayor
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You really should stop breathing and hold your breath now.  In case you were to aspirate a cold germ and fall ill.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:13 | 3122865 TPTB_r_TBTF
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That wonT work.  Your lungs are already full of germs.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:25 | 3123251 IridiumRebel
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and his breathe has halatosis and hot air....yeah....and shit too.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:22 | 3122920 Cthonic
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 "Until someone came up behind you and shot you in the back of the head just for the fun of it..."

What's to stop anyone from doing that now?  Or using a zip gun, crossbow, claw hammer, billiard ball, or a piece of angle iron in a similar blindsiding? Your 'argument', it hails from somewhere beyond retarded.  Laws don't protect anyone from sneak attacks, choosing to respectfully associate with sane people who know right from wrong minimizes the danger of falling prey to a sneak attack.  Even more so if said people are willing  and able to shoot sneak attacking instigators/ideologues/idiots on sight.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:55 | 3123419 Buckaroo Banzai
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You are using logic in an attempt to communicate with a libtard. It's a pointless exercise, because the logical parts of their brains don't work.

The Libtard is mentally, morally, and emotionally diseased. NEVER FORGET that. It's best to either ignore them or ridicule them. Keep an eye on them though, because they are shifty and cowardly. They usually run in packs because they are weak and spineless when separated from their herd. Remember that they are only as smart as the stupidest one among them, and that's pretty fucking stupid. But despite their vanishingly small collective IQ, in numbers they are dangerous, like a herd of wild buffaloes is dangerous...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:31 | 3123878 Vooter
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LOL...the saddest part is, I have no doubt that you believe every word of the laughably retarded shit that comes out of your mouth. Why not, right? It's not like there's anyone in the trailer park to tell you any differently. I think it's time you had another drink and a couple more hours of TV, there, Mr. Monkey....

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:26 | 3123860 Vooter
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"What's to stop anyone from doing that now?  Or using a zip gun, crossbow, claw hammer, billiard ball, or a piece of angle iron in a similar blindsiding?" why carry a gun?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:57 | 3122761 bank guy in Brussels
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At shooting ranges and shooting clubs ... in Belgium, and in America and Canada as well as I have briefly visited

Everyone seems extremely nice!


Yes we do actually have lots of private civilian guns in Europe. ...

In our little Belgium: 2 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles

France: 19 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles ... And so on.

We do not carry them around, or have as high gun ownership rates as in the US, but there are probably 100 million plus private guns in Continental Europe (not Britain, they are gun-grabbing crazy).

Facts of gun ownership and policies in countries around the world:

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:52 | 3123058 FeralSerf
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Haven't many of the guns that Europeans own been restricted to .22 calibre rim fire for some time now?  It seems to me that was the case in Belgium in 1983 unless one could prove to the "Authorities" than a more lethal one was necessary for his security.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:16 | 3123185 Freddie
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The whole thing is absurd because Belgium makes some very fine guns from FN FAL. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:49 | 3123947 FeralSerf
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Those fine Belgian guns are only made for "authorized" owners and users or for export.

I considered buying one when I was there in 1983.  It was legal for me to do so since I was not a Belgian citizen or resident.  Even though the firearm was legal to own in the U.S., importation of it by me was not allowed so I didn't buy one.  As an aside, a Belgian friend that was the local sales manager in the Brussels Mercedes dealership wanted me to buy one for him since he was limited to rim fire weapons.  He often carried large sums of cash because cars were customarily bought that way in Belgium in the 1980s.  (I bought two that way.)  I didn't buy one for him because I was afraid of the consequences.

Some day Americans will need to be "authorized" and "licensed" in order to possess firearms.  TPTB will demand it.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:59 | 3123098 Winston Churchill
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Just looking at the UK regs from your link.

Used to have a UK gun license long ago.Even back then the coppers wanted

an interview,references,gun safe and a shooting club membership.

SLR and semi auto are prohibited,otherwise does not appear too difficult to

get a license for pistols,bolt action long guns.

I don't approve of the new regs but back in the day I had a licensed Bren,Fn SLR,

and shotguns.Would not let me keep my service Sterling SMG though.

I know where these are still readily available in the UK.Illegal,but therefor the taking.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:52 | 3123410 AgAu_man
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Yes, I found the same thing at the Concealed Weapons Class last night.  Really nice, polite people, with a sense of humour too.

Except for one young guy who worries me:  All Camo-gear, no smiles or chuckles with the rest of the group.  Affective Dissonance worries me.  Especially in gun classes.  If I were the instructor -- a decorated sergeant who did 2 years in Iraq -- I'd make mental notes on the 2% of the guys who come across as psychos-in-training, and give you the 'heebie jeebies' at a visceral level. 

The rest of the 98% -- that's about to be lawfully 'ram-rodded', ouch! -- is perfectly fine with almost any weapon, given enough training.

But again, let's not confuse Motive with Pretext, when it comes to any kind of "Gun Legislation" from Obama et al.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:29 | 3122615 Lmo Mutton
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Case made, case closed.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:02 | 3122621 HelluvaEngineer
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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:31 | 3122624 Conax
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A gun free zone around our leaders makes a lot of sense. After all, one of those guards might snap at any moment and go on a wild rampage through the wh or capitol building if they let them carry those deadly weapons.  There should be gun free zones everywhere the leadership goes, out to 500 yards.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:56 | 3122756 Tirpitz
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"A gun free zone around our leaders..."

Seems you demand a bit much. Adding a gun free zone to an already brain free one...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:31 | 3122625 Id fight Gandhi
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Anyone see that celebrity psa video spliced with all the violent movies they did?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:18 | 3123206 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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How about we demand a REAL plan to deal with the REAL threat?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:31 | 3122626 q99x2
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If the gun control freaks are afraid for themselves and their families they should leave the country now while they still have a chance. When the NWO banksters attack they won't be able to get out.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:23 | 3124038 Vooter
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I hate to break it to you, but the gun-control freaks AREN'T THE ONES CARRYING GUNS. So who's afraid for themselves and their families?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:32 | 3122633 djsmps
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I'm glad I grew up in a time when people didn't have guns in schools. And we actually gained knowledge in school.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:39 | 3122669 unrulian
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Really...when was that?  My uncles took their shotguns to school and put them in their lockers so they could go hunting after school with their friends....not so long ago.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:58 | 3123091 djsmps
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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:43 | 3123367 GCT
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dj I went to high school in the 60's and also hunted.  I saw many of my teachers on the range and some did indeed carry concealed.  The only difference is it was no biggie and most folks did not care about it like we do today.  We did not have gun free target rich environments back then either.

I knew several CCing and oh the principle carried.  Most students did not hunt or shoot on the range like my family did.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:04 | 3123483 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yes! We have an IGNORANT DUMB FUCK here!

In most rural parts of America, up until the 70s, kids routinely brought their rifles to school so they could go hunting after class, or shoot at the school shooting range (many high schools had shooting ranges in the basement for .22 target shooting).

Another mentally, morally, and emotionally diseased Libtard chimes in!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 21:20 | 3124360 djsmps
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Fuck You. Idiot.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:21 | 3124033 Vooter
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Let me guess--they also walked to school barefoot in the snow, right?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:24 | 3124044 akak
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Well, sometimes they got free rides in the Choomwagon.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:44 | 3122683 buzzsaw99
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my mother took a marksmanship class in high school

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:06 | 3122812 caimen garou
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we had marksmanship class of '78

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:10 | 3122839 gckings19
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my hs has JROTC.....and a rifle range.   Lots of military leaders and heroes graduated from there.  No gun violence though.  There is no perfect world but taking away the rights of citizens and disregarding the constitution is not somewhere i want to go.  better to lock up all the nuts than take away the guns.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:57 | 3123084 djsmps
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We didn't have JROTC at our school (even though half the kids were from Air Force families). We had archery.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:13 | 3122869 viahj
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we had archery in high school in the late '80's

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:22 | 3122922 TPTB_r_TBTF
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And we actually gained knowledge in school.

Are you sure?  I used to think that I had gained "knowledge in school", but then after quite a while, I realized,

I had been merely indoctrinated at school.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:30 | 3123280 djsmps
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It makes me laugh to see all the negs.  I'm not for gun control, but apparently if anyone suggests a world could have existed without all the endemic violence of today is a threat to you. We walked or rode a bicycle to school. Now, parents take their kids because they're afraid for their safety. I'm glad I got to through school in a much more benign atmosphere.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:46 | 3123381 DosZap
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I'm glad I got to through school in a much more benign atmosphere.

With just as many guns also.(But we had real law enforcement, and neighbors, and no war on drugs,(just a way to build up agencies).

Same here, when  I was 12 I could not buy a WW II rifle because I did not have the $28.00,if I had the money I could have purchased it,w/out any parental taking it home?, that would likely have ended my Prize!.......LOL

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:11 | 3123509 Buckaroo Banzai
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If you're not for gun control, then stop spouting their propaganda. Get a grip on yourself. Are your thoughts your own? Examine everything you think you know very carefully.

I'm not ashamed to say that up until 11 years ago, I did not have a single well-thought-out opinion of my own, and my command of the facts of reality was almost nonexistent, I relied on my education to guide me (which I now know was mostly lies) and I let the libtard media do all my thinking for me. But thanks to the grace of God, I managed to deprogram myself in the 2001-2002 timeframe.

The only shame is in NOT fixing the problem.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:23 | 3123852 Vooter
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"But thanks to the grace of God, I managed to deprogram myself in the 2001-2002 timeframe." could have fooled me...

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 02:17 | 3124744 Oliver Klozoff
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As though belief in God disqualifies anyone from seroius discourse. You hold your pre-judice before you.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:26 | 3123861 jonan
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you and i both and i both

awake since 08 and loving it!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 21:38 | 3124398 djsmps
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Can you tell me exactly what propaganda I have been spouting?

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 11:37 | 3125134 Shell Game
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+1000 for a great testimony. In the times we find ourselves there is nothing more inspiring than the stories of those who wake up, shed ignorance and walk away from the crowd.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:01 | 3123449 AgAu_man
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"I'm glad I grew up in a time when people didn't have guns in schools. And we actually gained knowledge in school."

Where's that?  Singapore?  China?  Russia? Some destitute, crime-ridden American inner city?

Well, the Swiss had better make all their males hand in their semi and full-automatic weapons that they were allowed to take home after their mandatory military training.  I mean, given all the shootings and mass-shootings going on in Switzerland.  ;-/


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:35 | 3122644 Little John
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“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:38 | 3122662 Little John
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I've decided.  They have to come and take them.  I won't make that easy for them. They will have to pay.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:47 | 3122706 Havok
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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:02 | 3123108 Rubbish
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There will always be guns in America and anyone who has trained with a bolt action 400-600 yards with irons is much more scary to me than any AR 15/AK 47

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:04 | 3123485 AgAu_man
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Bite your tounge!  Next thing you'll know, they'll be forcing shorter barrels or looser ID's (Inner Diameters) to 'detune' them.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:01 | 3122777 bank guy in Brussels
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molon labe

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:16 | 3122871 TSA gropee
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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:15 | 3122881 TSA gropee
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Perhaps it's the way they prefer it. Slaughter a few gun owners and they figure many will cave in.
To speak of Molon Labe is one thing. To act on it, quite another. Then again, if some are slaughtered and become martyrs for the cause of feedom, it may just be the catalyst needed. Just being realistic and not sure what'I'd do when the time comes...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:45 | 3123030 Little John
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I've cosidered the matter at length. I was born free, haved lived free, and if it must be so I will die free.  Freedom is worth it. Life as a slave is not worth living. I mean what I say.  They may kill me but I will make that a bloody proposition for them as well.  Let it come.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:37 | 3122657 orangegeek
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It's not about anti-gun.


It's about taking away guns from the masses so government and the media that carries their water for them are the only ones who are armed.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:38 | 3122664 Mr. Hudson
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Senators Diane Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are both rabid Zionists. Why do the Zionists want to disarm Americans, while Israeli citizens walk around in public with fully automatic weapons?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:07 | 3122816 e_goldstein
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Because it is all about to fall apart and they know they are complicit in America's demise.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:07 | 3123495 AgAu_man
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Uh, lemme guess:  Forewarned if forearmed?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:42 | 3122678 Vooter
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"After the Sandy Hook attacks, the NRA responded with the suggested measure of establishing armed security guards at public schools...I personally agree with the idea, though I believe [that] allowing teachers to legally carry on school grounds would be a much more effective deterrent..."

Just curious--how does having armed guards or teachers in schools stop massacres from happening in theaters, or casinos, or bowling alleys, or basketball arenas, or any other public spaces? Why don't you just come out and say that you believe that EVERYONE in the United States should carry a firearm at all times, because as far as I can see, that's the only possible way that people like you--people who believe that imminent danger lurks around every corner--could ever feel totally safe. And once the entire country was armed and massacres continued to happen--because of course they would--what would your solution be then? Arm every citizen with two guns? Up the required caliber? The absurdity never ends, and deep down, you know it...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:49 | 3122713 Havok
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So whats your answer then?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:57 | 3122754 TheDarkKnight
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Drones (I'm pretty sure im not the first to think of it too... just look at what homeland security is doing)


--and I don't want drones, but you can be damned sure big brother would rather have drones flying around ready to shoot the next mass murderer rather than every civilian armed and ready

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:54 | 3123430 FeralSerf
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The answer is to get to find out who the real culprits are and subject them to justice.  The MSM declared culprits are obviously, to any reasonably awake person, not the real culprits.  They are patsies.  This includes, not just Aurora and Sandy Hook, but also 9/11 and Oklahoma City among many others.  

Elements inside Big Brother are the real culprits and they escape prosecution because they own the MSM, the writing of the laws, law enforcement, the military, and the courts.  Because of this, there likely is no answer, only continued and increasing enslavement.


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:55 | 3122750 Killtruck
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Let me just thumb through the stats here and find how many massacres happened at NRA conventions, shooting ranges, gun shows, and military live-fire exercises.


So I guess your argument is based on emotion, and therefore pretty shitty. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:53 | 3123068 Freddie
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Gun stores and gun shows are about the last place in the world you want to start some shit.  Generally very good folks at both places too.  The prices at shows can be a bit high and the guys who are "really" into knives kind of creep me out.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:55 | 3122752 drink or die
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How about....


Everyone is responsible for their own safety, and keeps their nose out of everyone elses business.  Passing stupid laws (whether it's arming or disarming people) have no effect, because criminals ignore laws. The mindset you are in is that things can be fixed with laws, which is childish.


How about isntead of making all schools "gun free zones" (aka mass-murder zones), you give teachers the ability to exercise their right of being able to carry a firearm and defend themselves.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:56 | 3122758 fuu
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"Why don't you just come out and say that you believe that EVERYONE in the United States should carry a firearm at all times, because as far as I can see, that's the only possible way that people like you--people who believe that imminent danger lurks around every corner--could ever feel totally safe."

Seems to me the ones trying to ban guns are the scared ones. 99.9967% of guns in America do not kill people. Since 2004 almost as many people have been killed by assault weapons as were killed by cops in 2011.

"The absurdity never ends, and deep down, you know it"


Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:03 | 3122792 Tirpitz
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"99.9967% of guns in America do not kill people."

But guns don't kill people. Must be the ammunition then, doing that dirty job.

Come to think of it, the box of 30-06 over in the corner looks rather harmless, too.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:07 | 3122820 fuu
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Ok ok ok 99.9967% of firearms in America have not been used to kill anyone.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:18 | 3122904 zerotohero
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From the Daily Reckoning - says it all:


“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.

And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”

This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.

Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.

If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.

The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.

And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.

Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.

According to Public Intelligence:

“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.’ Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being ‘necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities’ under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.”

And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.

And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.

That is your choice… for the moment.

Read more: When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:27 | 3122950 Gadocat99
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About 5% of the Colonists opposed British rule with firearms -- doesn't take many.

On a second note, my pencil causes misspelled words. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:03 | 3123479 FeralSerf
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The Colonists' arms were not that much different from the British Army's arms.  That is no longer the case by a huge margin.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:41 | 3124082 Bad Attitude
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Have you kept up on what is happening in Afghanistan lately? Do you honestly believe US military personnel would attack their own countrymen?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 01:35 | 3126591 FeralSerf
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They've done it before and they'll do it again.  Remember Lincoln's war?  There are other examples.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:47 | 3123039 Killtruck
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"You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters..."

That's interesting. Should someone have told the Taliban? The Iraqi insurgents? The VietCong/Vietminh?

Apparently the memo isn't getting through to them, sir.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:54 | 3123072 aerojet
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You don't take them on head to head, you attack their supply chain and their morale and their families.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:42 | 3123356 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Right. Most people won't be sitting on their front porches with their shirts off and a double barrel shotgun across their laps. That's ont how this is going to go down.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 21:42 | 3124406 Jendrzejczyk
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Better re-thunk my stragedy, huh?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:18 | 3123552 zerotohero
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come come now you naive one - please don't try and compare yourself to any members of said Taliban or other groups that you mentioned. a lazy fat amerikan is no cradle born fanatical highly trained and insanely dedicated person such as taliban or vietcong - i mean come on now

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:01 | 3123746 Gadocat99
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You sound like Charles Cornwallis.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 20:36 | 3124288 zerotohero
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I'll take Charlie Brown thank you

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 21:44 | 3124408 Jendrzejczyk
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Gordon Brown, perhaps.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 23:09 | 3124539 zerotohero
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