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Guest Post: Anti-Gun Newspaper Hires Armed Guards – Reveals Its Own Hypocrisy

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

Sometimes I just have to smile when faced with anti-gun propagandists, regardless of the vicious statements they make, because I know from years of past experience in this debate that because of their deep rooted hypocrisy, they WILL inevitably make my pro-gun case for me.  All I have to do is sit back and wait for them to contradict themselves...

After the Sandy Hook attacks, the NRA responded with the suggested measure of establishing armed security guards at public schools in order to ensure there is a defensive presence in place to meet any violent threat.  I personally agree with the idea, though I believe it doesn’t go far enough.  Frankly, allowing teachers to legally carry on school grounds would be a much more effective deterrent, promoting the ability of average citizens to protect themselves rather than constantly relying on some uniformed official. 

The Obama Administration, of course, responded negatively to the NRA’s position and has yet to even address or acknowledge the idea of armed teachers.  Obama shrugged off the NRA, claiming he was “skeptical” of the armed security concept, all while sending his own children to a private school protected by at least 11 armed sentries not counting Secret Service agents:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service

So, Obama is “skeptical” of an armed presence at your children’s school, but not his own children’s school?  Yes, it’s incredibly hypocritical.  My question to the president would be:  If armed guards don’t make a difference, why have your children surrounded by them?  I would be interested to hear his response.  Perhaps he believes his children are more important than our own…

Then there’s that wretched gun grabbing swamp hag, Senator Diane Feinstein; a true anti-gun zealot who has openly admitted that if she thought she could get away with it, she would pursue the complete disarmament of the entire U.S. citizenry.  The same zealot who after the Oklahoma City bombing had this to say at a senate hearing:

“I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. I walked to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon and I made the determination if somebody was going to try and take me out, I was going to take them with me…”

Apparently she saw the need for firearms in the defense of her own life, but not the need for the average citizen to have the same opportunity.

And what about Senator Chuck Schumer, who called for the president to use the excuse of “national security” and terrorism to force through restrictive gun legislation?  The man who also voted against a bill which would have prevented outside entities like the UN from asserting gun control treaties that affect the American public?  Well, Chuck has his own concealed carry permit in the state of New York, of all places, and still continues his antigun rhetoric.  Again, do they see themselves as part of a higher and more valuable class of people?  How do they explain these contradictions in their position?

What about media gigolo Michael Moore and his theater of the absurd?  Playing the role of gun fan while at the same time incessantly promoting gun control rhetoric using skewed information and disingenuous talking points?  The same man who suggested that the sound of a racking shotgun on tape is as effective as having the real thing uses bodyguards armed with THE REAL THING, one of whom was recently arrested for carrying an unlicensed weapon into JFK Airport:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144921,00.html#ixzz2FnQC65J3

But anti-gun propagandists with armed bodyguards are nothing new.  In fact, anti-gun mayor Michael Bloomberg travels with a cadre of five to six bodyguards, all packing heat.  Why do these people who say they despise guns and gun ownership continue surrounding themselves with the same “devilish weaponry”?  It’s simple; because the mere reality of gun ownership deters criminal attack.  If it didn’t, they wouldn’t rely on firearms at all. 

Apparently, this same fact has suddenly dawned on The Journal News in New York, which has received a flurry of attention (mostly negative) for their insane idea of publishing maps of New York suburban neighborhoods “outing” the names and addresses of all those who have concealed carry permits.  The Journal News has yet to officially address why they chose to do this, but the paper is, needless to say, anti-gun; publishing articles that call for ALL firearms owners, not just those with CCW, to be cataloged and mapped:

http://www.lohud.com/article/20121223/NEWS04/312230056/The-gun-owner-next-door-What-you-don-t-know-about-the-weapons-in-your-neighborhood

http://www.lohud.com/article/20130104/OPINION/301040031/Editorial-Push-more-permit-data-free-gun-locks-too

Their rationale?  All gun owners should be mapped so that anti-gun citizens can “know who their neighbors are” and the “possible danger that surrounds them”.  The assertion that the newspaper is making is that all gun owners should be treated as potential threats, like convicted pedophiles.  Their philosophy is to consider us guilty until proven innocent.

It is an interesting and manipulative strategy.  The intent is first to promote a national firearms database, which just happens to be a primary part of Diane Feinstein’s coming gun control legislation, as well as to cultivate a kind of “culture of shame” surrounding gun ownership.  The Journal News motto should be:  “Own a gun?  We’ll make sure everyone knows what a monster you are…” 

The paper follows with the argument that people should be allowed to know who in a neighborhood is armed so that they can make an “informed decision” on whether or not they want to live there.  As I have stated in recent articles on the gun control issue, the anti-gun fears of terrified yuppies are not our concern.  They should be required to control THEIR fear, not allowed to control OUR guns.  Their fears do not and should not override our constitutional liberties, and frankly, I couldn’t care less if they want to live in a gun free neighborhood or not. 

Using the gun map philosophy, a universe of invasive collectivist enforcement becomes available.  Why not, for instance, create a map of every person who has been diagnosed by a psychiatrist and given psychotropic medications?  Since almost every person who has committed atrocities like Sandy Hook in the course of the past two decades was under the influence of psychotropics at the time it only follows that everyone on these drugs is a potential threat according to the logic of The Journal News.  I suspect though that at least half of their staff, just like half of New York, is highly medicated, and probably would not endorse such a measure. 

County Officials in New York State are now revolting against the gun map initiatives of The Journal News, denying them further information on permit holders in other counties in order to avoid possible danger to those citizens.  Reuters has responded to this unexpectedly reasonable response by, surprise, attacking it:

http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/01/02/lets-not-go-crazy-over-publishing-gun-lists/

State officials denying The Journal access to permit holder names and addresses is so far one of the only sane things being done in the state of New York when it comes to the gun debate, but according to the Reuters opinion piece, such an action is “crazy”.  Is permit holder information a matter of public record?  Yes, for now.  Does that mean that The Journal News should be allowed to exploit that information to satiate their own personal zealotry while making it easy for criminals to devise threat assessments?  The State of New York doesn’t seem to think so.  Honestly, if I was a non-gun owning citizen in New York, I would be much more upset at The Journal than if I was on their list.  Essentially, the newspaper has just advertised who on their map is a potentially easy target… 

Finally, displaying their own grand level of hypocrisy, The Journal News has hired ARMED security guards to protect them from the possible wrath of the angry populace they put at risk:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/02/us-usa-guns-newspaper-idUSBRE9010R820130102

Is the staff of the newspaper in danger?  Well…yes, of course they are!  That kind of blind idiocy and hubris tends to attract wild fury in response.  However, the point remains; when faced with conceivable violence, they turned to the practical solution of armed intervention, just like ANYONE with any sense would.  They admonish us for wanting the right to defend ourselves in the most efficient way available (private firearms ownership) while at the same time surrounding themselves with a shield of guns. 

The gun grabber personality is interminably flawed, but it could be summarized thus:

They believe the whole of society should cater to their personal concerns.  That we should give up our rights just to make them feel safer.  And, that they are somehow a step above the rest of us, and do not need to practice what they preach.  My question is, why should we go out of our way to please such weaklings and frauds?  I have yet to hear a good reason...

 

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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:40 | 3123343 Rubbish
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One guy with a .223 almost shut down the beltway near DC back in 2002. Just think what 20 with .30-06 or .308's could do, yeah just 20. The revolution wins and they know it. It can't come to that or they lose everything they cheated so hard for.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:40 | 3123648 e_goldstein
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The first reason I stopped reading the DR is because they axed the Mogambo.

Now I have a second. No one should give too much credit to what this coward has to say. 

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:17 | 3123826 SILVERGEDDON
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Way to go Zero to hero - propasganda at it's finest.

And yet a bunch of farmers armed with dick all kept the Russians and the Americans on the ropes for the last thirty years.

THIS, despite all their weaponry, superior troop numbers and technology, in an armed conflict in another country with no nasty rules or media relative to the rule of law in the good ole USA. 

Go fuck yourself. All you are good for. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 20:45 | 3124309 zerotohero
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my image of you is that of the crazy guy in Tremors - down in his bunker looking at all those guns grinning like a batshit crazy - makes me laugh

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:46 | 3123936 BidnessMan
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Do the math.  The military is like fractional reserve banking. Will never happen.

The entire US Marine Corps 200,000 active duty.  About half are outside the US.  Even with a "Tooth to Tail" ratio of 40%, there are at most 40,000 combat Marines in the US.  A platoon is about 40 marines.  So there are about 1,000 Marine combat platoons - total - in all of the US.  Make the math easy - 1,000 combat platoons / 50 states = 20 platoons PER STATE.  So how long will it take 20 platoons to go assault every house in the state with a registered gun?  Planning and execution for a combat assault takes 1 day.  Another day for rest and resupply.  What support is a Marine platoon going to get from local civilians who know the platoon is assaulting and killing their friends and neighbors?  But hey -- be generous and assume each platoon could do 200 assaults on US civilians per year.  So 20 platoons x 200 houses = 4,000 houses PER YEAR per state. There are 300M+ guns in the US.  6M guns per state on average.  6M guns / 4,000 houses per year = 3,000 years.  Good luck with that, knucklehead. 

And none of the 40 marines in the platoon are Oath Keepers?  And none of the Marines in the platoon are worried about some other Marine platoon assaulting their friends and neighbors back in their home states?  And the average Marine is going to assault a house of a fellow US citizen every other day -- forever?  In a vacuum you might have a point.  But the numbers just don't work.  Not something that anyone is going to have to worry about it.  if some political fool tries to actually do it, it will break down in a week or two at most.  Even with better equipment, some Marines in the platoon are going to be wounded or killed.  Ambushed by the neighbors, lucky shot, friendly fire accidents, etc.  See Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan - platoons don't come out scratch free from every assault forever.  Dumb luck from some amateur eventually takes its toll.  Who is going to replace the wounded and dead Marines in the platoon?  What is the average US Marine E5 going to think when he or she realizes that some dumbass civilian clerk gave them the wrong street address for an assault, and they just murdered a bunch of innocent fellow citizens with not a gun in sight?  How many more assaults is that platoon going to undertake?  Not many. 

So while it sounds good, 40,000 combat Marines - many of whom are not going to like assaulting fellow US citizens - are not going to take on 10%+ of the US population - 30M people -- that are reasonably well armed.  At some point real fast, the Marine Corps leadership is not going to play along with some manaical politician demanding they slaughter US citizens in huge numbers because they have guns as allowed by the US Constitution.  Lots of ways to go slow.  

You must be some politician who naively assumes the Marines will wholesale slaughter fellow US citizens any time you demand it.  The Marines I know are not going to do it.  Neither are the other service branches, or the local police.  What an egotistical putz you are to think they will.  They will not come for our guns.  You live in your own little naive dream world.    

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:51 | 3123703 Vooter
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"Seems to me the ones trying to ban guns are the scared ones."

A) I'm not trying to ban guns--I just don't feel threatened enough by the world around me to carry one. And b) since I don't feel the need to carry a gun, WHO'S THE SCARED ONE? Me, or the person who's fearful enough that they feel they have to carry one?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:12 | 3123799 fuu
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That's some serious dishonesty you have going on there.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:20 | 3123836 Vooter
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Yeah? Which part? And how do you know? I'm waiting...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:49 | 3123920 fuu
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Your attempt to broad brush all gun owners as fearful is dishonest and you know it. Deep down.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 20:39 | 3124296 DosZap
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A) I'm not trying to ban guns--I just don't feel threatened enough by the world around me to carry one. And b) since I don't feel the need to carry a gun, WHO'S THE SCARED ONE? Me, or the person who's fearful enough that they feel they have to carry one

 

You need a edumUacasHun dude.

People do not carry for , or from fear,it's called being prepared,and refusing to be a victim.

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:05 | 3122806 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"could ever feel totally safe."

No such thing as totally safe.  Life is full of risks.  People like you just don't like that.  How many people die in the Middle East to bombs?  Take away all the guns.  People will still die.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:47 | 3123682 Vooter
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"Life is full of risks. People like you just don't like that."

I DON'T CARRY A GUN. So who's more afraid of risks, me or someone carrying a gun?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:12 | 3122853 gckings19
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Vooter is a doooosshhhhe and knows it.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:15 | 3122879 Toolshed
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You are obviously a complete fool. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. How many murders have been committed with baseball bats? Better ban baseball bats. What about bladed weapons? Surely many, many more violent acts have been committed with knives and swords during man's time on this planet than guns. What citizen's kitchen is not equipped with these extremely dangerous weapons? Oh the horror!!! We REALLY need to pass some strict knife control laws obviously. China does not allow private gun ownership. In the past few years there have been a number of public attacks in China by knife weilding nut jobs resulting in multiple casualties. At least one at an elementary school. So, Einstein, what do you suggest we do about those awful knives and the people reckless enough to actually own one (or God forbid, more than one) of these dastardly bladed implements of death and destruction? And don't get me started on the extreme and well known dangers posed by sticks and stones. Please enlighten us with your radiant wisdom.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:44 | 3123670 Vooter
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"How many murders have been committed with baseball bats? Better ban baseball bats."

How many times has a baseball bat been used to kill 27 people in one sitting? How many times have knives been used to kill 27 people in one sitting? On the flip side, if people are allowed to buy and own as many guns of as many calibers and capabilities as they want, why can't I own a nuclear warhead? Why can't I own a missile-armed fighter jet? After all, nuclear warheads don't kill people, people kill people...RIGHT???

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:09 | 3123784 Toolshed
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Vooter is the epitomy of the saying:

Why remain silent and allow people to wonder about your level of intellect, when you can speak and dispel all doubt.

And now we all know Vooter is not nearly as sharp as a marble.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:20 | 3123832 Vooter
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Any chance you could just answer the question??? I didn't think so...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:49 | 3123697 BidnessMan
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FBI reports that more people are killed every year with a hammer than a rifle.  No talk of banning hammers.

All the serious clamor for this faded away once news came out that Sidwell Friends school had 11 armed guards - not including the Secret Service.  So don't worry about it - the hypocracy was just too blatant.  Really was sad about the school kids, but that is what happens when crazy people are left to run loose. Society knows it is taking a risk, and sometimes the worst happens.

In any case, another classic case of liberals telling other people to do as I say, not as I do.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:17 | 3122899 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Why don't you just come out and say that you believe that EVERYONE in the United States should carry a firearm at all times,

 

Responsible adults should feel free to carry firearms in public at all times and on private property when the owner permits it. Feel better? I know I do.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:34 | 3123633 Vooter
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"Responsible adults should feel free to carry firearms in public at all times"

I didn't say that the author thought that everyone "should feel free to carry firearms." I said that the author thought that everyone "should carry [firearms]." There's a difference. The first one says that it should be okay for everyone to carry firearms. The second one says that it should be a requirement. That's my point. I was simply pointing out that if the writer thinks that schoolchildren and/or schoolteachers and administrators should be armed to protect themselves against future massacres, then by logical extension the writer must believe that EVERYONE should be armed, everywhere and at all times, in order to protect themselves from future massacres. After all, how would armed schoolteachers protect patrons at nearby theaters, or bowling alleys, or basketball games, or concerts, right? How would armed schoolteachers protect people in the parks, and on the street, and in the malls? Get it? All I want is the author to admit that his solution to protect everyone in the world from future massacres is to arm everyone in the world. He should at least admit that...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:18 | 3124029 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Please provide an exact quote in which anyone has said that elementary school students should be armed.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:58 | 3123093 shovelhead
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You forgot astroid strikes...

How can guns prevent astroid strikes?

Did a gun save Fukushima?

The absurdity never ends, and deep down, you know it...

You got that part right.

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:04 | 3123488 GCT
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Vooter I will bite.  There simply is no way to protect yourself if someone is indeed intent on killing you.  I do not think this is the issue though.  Mass killing did not really being until someone thought ok we will have gun free zones now.   21 mass killings in the last 20 years and all but one happened in gun free zones.

I think the gun free zone does indeed need to be looked at.  I am for allowing a teacher that wants to coneceal carry (CC) to CC.  Deterrance goes a long way.  They carried when I was in school and probably alot of others if you were a person that loved to shoot on the range or hunt and eat what you killed.  This subject was not ever brought up because it was not a big deal to be honest. 

Vooter you made a statement to ZH allow me to make one to you please.  Why not examine a lawe that only keep law abiding citizens from portecting themselves.  Quote pop up here all the time but honestly police show up after the fact most of the time.  I happen to CC and never break the gun free law.  What the law does not do and never will do is protect the innocents.  We have laws on the books and they are broken by criminal every minute, so why allow them a place where no one can shoot back at them.  Look at the movie shooting in Colorado.  Many theatres close to the shooter but he took the only one with a gun free sign.

Honestly I do not have the answer you seek.  All I ask of you is to examine the law in its current form.  The firearm is not evil.  The person wielding it is the one committing the crime.  Should we as people allow our children no defense?  Should we not at least get rid of the law and try it as the current law is not working?  These are the questions we should be asking.  We have a right to protect ourselve and bear arms.  So you ban a semi autmatic modular firearm, it is not going to help. 

People who live in their own little world, sitting in their own little house, thinking they are swafe until someone breaks in or worse may think it is good to ban all firearms until that criminal acts upon you.  Then the world will be totally different.  I know I have been there.  I have a right to protect myself and my family.  It is ok to disagree with me, but it is time to look at the law. 

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:19 | 3123555 AgAu_man
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Actually, the "engineering solution" does not involve guns at all.  The simplest solution is:  Provide SECURE CLASSROOM DOORS.  And maybe some locally-activated and remote-control metal gates that slide or roll down, to 'compartmentalize' hallways.

No doubt we can come up with other minimalist solutions also, which require no new legislation.  E.g. Tasers (don't most women carry them already?), etc, etc.  The point is, let the 'Free' Market solve the problem, whereby school superintendants are given a smal but workable budget.  Not one of those pork-barrel excuses for votes.  Let the 'locals' sort it out! 

"Ask not what the Government can do for you..." - JFK.

Of course that would give ploticians (deliberate misspelling!) more time for real issues that need to be addressed.  ;-/

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:10 | 3123794 SILVERGEDDON
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Hey, Vooter - here's some hard truth for ya.

With all due respect, your comment ignores factual evidence. " Powerful assault weapons " were not in use at sandy Hook. Hand guns were used to kill those children. The AR - as in Armalite Rifle stolen by the perpetrator - never left the trunk of the car. Media reports to the contrary initially were poorly researched, based on hearsay, innuendo, and hype. At Virginia Tech, again, hand guns were used to commit one of the most horrific crimes in recent memory. Mental health, and the dangerous unproven cocktail of drugs used to " treat " same, can be linked to a significant number of criminal acts of murder involving firearms in the last couple of decades.  The so called " gun show loophole " does not exist at most Arms Collectors gun shows. Only members can purchase firearms at the shows, and members must undergo criminal background checks to be eligible for membership. Most members are also Concealed Carry Pistol permit holders, which involves FBI background checks, finger printing, and local law enforcement agency review.  It would be interesting to see just exactly what the correlation between legal gun owners, criminal gun owners, and criminal acts looked like on paper.  In jurisdictions such as California, Maryland, Connecticut, and Illinois, the Brady Bill, Assault Weapons Ban, " gun control ", magazine capacity limits, etc., have had NO SIGNIFICANT EFFECT on gun related fatalities relative to states with the most liberal attitudes regarding gun ownership. Please lobby politicians to make an attempt to solve the problems relating to the lack of significant enforcement of existing law for harsh penalties relating to the criminal use of firearms. A strong deterrent to gun abuse would go a long way towards solving the problems our society faces. " Gun free zones " are easy targets for criminals, whether they use guns, gasoline, or fertilizer mixed with fuel oil to create mayhem and destruction. Your efforts would be better served supporting legislation to eliminate gun free zones, and allow citizens who already have passed criminal background checks to conceal carry their firearms in these settings.  A police presence is not a requirement in our schools. Teachers and support staff who already possess Concealed Carry Pistol licenses would be all the deterrent ever required to eliminate the specter of another Sandy Hook. Even if no teachers actually was armed, just the repeal of gun free zones, and the ability of those who chose to conceal carry along with the media attention would serve notice to the criminal element. Schools, movie theaters, and shopping malls would no longer be soft, defenseless targets. Please act on our behalf. Legal gun owners have never been a problem. Criminals will never have a problem using any means to break the law. Make them pay a significant price for doing so, and do not allow knee jerk poorly directed legislation to pass under your watch.

Man up, you loser - become a citizen, instead of preaching slave. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:18 | 3123829 Vooter
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Do you people honestly think that someone who is willing to walk into an elementary school and slaughter scores of young children gives a RAT'S ASS about who's armed and who's not? Do you really think that Adam Lanza was checking around beforehand to see where the "gun-free zones" were? LOLOLOLOLOLOL...WTF is the color of the sky in your world???

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:37 | 3124075 GCT
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Vooter  they do not give a rats ass about killing.  My point is every 100% of the time no matter where when these nut cases are cornered or a concerned person points a firearm at them they either drop the weapon or shoot themselves.  I disagree with your statement they do indeed care if the school has armed people in it.  This is the problem with people like you, you would not know a fact if it hit you in the face.  Instead some children got killed let me toss my critical thinking skills out the window and call anyone here who disagrees with me an idiot.  I AM NOT GOING TO CALL YOU ONE. 

I would like an answer on my statement from you instead of name calling as it solves nothing.  Do you think we could look at the law and change it?  I think we should as it is a bad law.  Adam Lanza already knew it was a gun free zone sir.  Why would he have to check it.  He may be nuts but he was not stupid.  Answer me this Vooter why have all of these massacres happened on gun free zones in the last 20 years except one?

 

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 19:59 | 3126060 SILVERGEDDON
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That's not the point. Concealed weapons permit holder putting a round into some whack bar before he commits unrestrained mayhem is the point. 

Media attention on the fact that folks are armed and dangerous rather than defenseless and helpless is the point.

Teacher with a Glock versus teacher with a piece of chalk. Who's gonna win that one ?

At least there is probable defense of the defenseless instead of guaranteed tragedy.

Why don't you work on eliminating the drug coctails pushed by Big Pharma that seems to be responsible for pushing marginal mental health sufferers over the edge of sanity instead ?

Statistically, at least you would be saving lives with you efforts instead of bleating like a sheep heading for slaughter.

By the way, sky is blue last time I looked unless it is raining, at sunrise, and at sunset. Seems like you get all the colors in nature's rainbow if you wait long enough and observe.

Sky in your neighborhood looks and smells like propagandist bullshit, troll boy. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:42 | 3122679 hyperbole2000
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If they had a map that showed the number of legal guns per say 16 block grid rather than by individual address as a map legend item on the real estate search map web site that would be great because i want to live in the center of the densest legal gun ownership neighbourhood.  $%&$@ with my well armed middle class voter constituted neighbourhood and see what you get.

The only problem is that  if the government went totalitarian we would be target #1 for midnight shock troop raids. All that Baghdad door to door bust down training will come in very handy.

Another problem: home invasion theives will target the least densest eighbourhoods resulting in less dense becoming more dense to protect themselves,

Another problem: when guns are the theives target they would carry out cold bloodied executions of sleeping family members to reduce risk of counter meaures from the victim(s).

Weigh the options - Bad idea.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:56 | 3123080 aerojet
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The shock troops you mention won't feel so invulnerable when they're putting out the flames on their children's backs.  How do you think the cartels do business?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:42 | 3122680 Fist full of CDOs
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Politicians are hypocrits and only out for themselves? 

In other news, bankers like bonuses... 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:44 | 3122691 MillionDollarBoner_
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Its not that they don't like guns.

They just don't like YOU to have guns !;o)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:47 | 3122707 Colonel
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"My question is, why should we go out of our way to please such weaklings and frauds?"

You shouldn't try pleasing leftard idiots because you would never be able to anyway.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:56 | 3122760 Cthonic
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+1 US Treasury platinum coin of arbitrary denomination.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:48 | 3122712 cxp
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The dollar rally seen since yesterday is not purely cause of the FOMC minutes but a great is being played by a lingering fear that the US government will be shut down in Feb and March due to debt ceiling

Reports TNIFeed

https://twitter.com/TNIFeed

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:50 | 3122716 Monk
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Armed teachers <> armed security.

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:00 | 3122775 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I trusted teachers as far as I could throw them when I was in school. I think having them armed would add to the education system looking like the prison system. Besides, even with a scool shooting here and there schools are still safer than pee wee football.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:06 | 3122814 Tirpitz
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"even with a scool shooting here and there schools are still safer than pee wee football."

And especially so for teachers. :P

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:12 | 3122855 GMadScientist
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Armed teachers -> more teacher-on-student violence.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:18 | 3123549 LFMayor
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what?  You've been reading too much Dickens. 

I also suspect that you've had entirely too much dick ins, but that's a matter of poor lifestyle choice.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:35 | 3124068 alangreedspank
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If that is so, why are they even allowed to teach ?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:58 | 3123087 aerojet
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The mere removal of the "gun-free zone" label would do the trick.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:50 | 3122717 Duke of Con Dao
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better late than never...

an impressionistic vid of 

YouTube - Happy New Year 2013! Fireworks from the Statue of Liberty in NY Harbor

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:52 | 3122721 NoDebt
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For those who want to ban guns I would point out there is a mechanism in the Constitution to do that.  To write and ratify a new Constitutional Ammendment that would repeal or severly curtail the 2nd ammendment.  If you want to do it, that's how it's done.

Give it your best shot, baby (no pun intended).  Otherwise, deal with the fact that we have a right to own them and I, personally, very much enjoy exercising as many of my liberties as often as I can, without infinging on others doing the same, including the right to bear arms.

Bunch of clucking old hens who just want to tell other people how to live.  Fuck them.  I hope their own guards turn on them someday.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:11 | 3123521 FeralSerf
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That mechanism has been subverted a number of times historically.  For example:

http://www.constitutionalconcepts.org/13thamendment.htm

The ratifications of 14th, 15th and 16th Amendments also contain many irregularities that should legally make them invalid.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:51 | 3122724 Quinvarius
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The NYT and their anti-gun whackos are basicly telling the gun owners, "we know where you live".  It was meant to be a threat upon their lives and property.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:54 | 3122741 NoDebt
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It won't work.  They just published, in effect, a list of people not to fuck with.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:16 | 3122887 Colonel
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Exactly.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:24 | 3122931 viahj
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except that in order to be on that list, you have registered your weapon with the state. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:08 | 3123778 Freddie
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This is a common tactic by the left.  I was no fan of Bush, and he was no conservative, but they constantly had videos, pictures, articles and movies about shooting him. 

This is all designed to reach someone out there to actually do it.  This is the only reason too.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:53 | 3122733 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The media is where sensationalists go to die.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:54 | 3122739 israhole
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Lots of Jews mentioned in this article, by and large the Zionist Jews are the ones pushing for gun control, just like they did in the Bolshevik and very Jewish revolution in Russia.  Not long after the goyim got slaughtered to the tune of 40-60 million.  Getting the picture yet?  Don't expect them to teach you of their crimes in school, you'll have to get off your fat ass.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:23 | 3122929 Skip
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Published in the New York based Jewish journal THE FORWARD:

Sunday, December 16, 2012
Jewish Lawmakers Lead Push for Gun Control
After Newtown, Feinstein, Bloomberg and Schumer Want Action

Newtown Rabbi Decries 'Culture of Violence'

 

http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/6456_72.htm

by Abe Foxman and the organization’s Connecticut regional director

There is nothing that can justify the killing of innocents, especially young children. We hope that this was not an act motivated by hatred, as so many other school shootings have been in the past...

ADL has long been an advocate for strong, effective and sensible gun control legislation. Since 1967, ADL has favored expanded federal and state regulation of the sale and transfer of firearms and other dangerous weapons. Unfortunately, all too many times we have sadly witnessed the tragic dangers guns present. Across the country in schools, businesses and houses of worship, individuals have used guns to terrorize communities and local institutions. We firmly believe that one way to limit the power of extremists and reduce violence in our communities is to enact tough, effective gun control legislation.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:33 | 3123301 The Heart
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"There is nothing that can justify the killing of innocents, especially young children."

And Palestinian children in Gaza, Iraqi women and children, Afghanistan and Pakistani children all do not count because everyone knows, these goyim are not considered people or human by the zionist slaves. The racist hatred of the elitist scark eating zionist scumbags is allowed and condoned by the stupidity of a nation on SSRI drugs and TV mindcontrol. Everything a zionist hater says is more than often the polar oppisite of what is actually true.

Racisit zionist supremacy all under the kind and caring ownership/slavery of the rottenchilds empire of dust and the money god are this century's nazi germany. All globalist zionist slave pig media whores are hard at it for the world domination agenda. Zig Hiel!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:23 | 3123580 FeralSerf
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Is America to become one of Israel's occupied territories where only the Jews possess firrearms?

http://www.fmep.org/reports/archive/vol.-4/no.-3/israels-policy-of-armin...

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:55 | 3122751 tooriskytoinvest
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NH State Rep. Cynthia Chase OPPOSES a free society: “One way is to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’…”

http://investmentwatchblog.com/nh-state-rep-cynthia-chase-opposes-a-free-society-one-way-is-to-pass-measures-that-will-restrict-the-freedoms/

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:00 | 3123103 aerojet
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It's disgusting that anyone from New Hampshire of all places would even act like that. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:41 | 3123651 DadzMad
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So much for that "Live Free or Die" on their license plates

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 20:36 | 3124287 Bad Attitude
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Maybe NH should change their license plate slogan to "Better Red Than Dead."

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:41 | 3123652 DadzMad
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So much for that "Live Free or Die" on their license plates

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:39 | 3122767 The Joker
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Instead of arming teachers and posting guards at schools and public arenas, or demanding gun control, how about we just stop the false flags? 

Problem solved.

You listening NSA?  Pass it up the chain please, it's getting really stupid now. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:00 | 3122772 Grinder74
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"They believe the whole of society should cater to their personal concerns.  That we should give up our rights just to make them feel safer.  And, that they are somehow a step above the rest of us, and do not need to practice what they preach.  My question is, why should we go out of our way to please such weaklings and frauds?  I have yet to hear a good reason..."

This can also sum up the ghey agenda -- attempting to remake society for a tiny minority.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:00 | 3122773 rwe2late
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If anyone is really concerned about significantly reducing US violence, including with “guns”,

then here is a plan:

a) end the “war on terror”, US support for foreign despotism, global policing by the Pentagon, and the militarized Homeland “internal security“ department.

b) end the Prohibition II aka the “war on drugs”. And dismantle the ancillary massive criminal-gang networking prison industry.

c) end the globalization “free trade” export of wealth and jobs, and set to work rebuilding the US.

Work to restore lost Bill of Rights protections, such as from:

“war on drugs” = loss of search and seizure protections

“war on terror” = loss of habeas corpus, protections against torture, free press and assembly

Instead, many wish to shift attention away from those issues and instead launch a new

divisive and counter-productive “war on guns”. They implicitly support an expansion of the police and surveillance state to administer and enforce this new “war”. What else ought we expect from our present government?

( Proposed legislation mandates confiscation of many different types of guns and requires universal registration and fees for all gun owners with a new ‘background check’ for all who comply with the law.

 

 

 

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons  

Can we expect a secretive new “no-fly” list for gun ownership, expect ‘mental health’ background checks using supposedly no-longer-private medical records, but more predictably expect the use of NSA-FBI reports to target ‘potential’ political trouble-makers and dissidents?)

This new, government-sponsored “war on guns” is a divisive “wedge” issue which only diverts and downplays the more important issues, by putting the cart before the horse, insisting that:

BEFORE reducing government violence, BEFORE reducing crime and its sources, and BEFORE restoring Civil protections and safeguards, more citizens are to be more policed, and made even more defenseless, to whatever degree, by being disarmed.

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:50 | 3123393 The Heart
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Outstanding!

If only we as a society was smart enough to take up these real answers and actually put words to action.

Thank you for this great contribution to all the rest of the great Light here. It is an honor to be among so many great thinking Hearts, and entertaining at best to witness the real evil of the beast in all its forms and written horsewash that is also frothily regurgitated up upon the pages of ZH. It's simply amazing that these slaves to the money god are so ignorant and evil in these expressions that manifest here. One constantly wonders if stupidity has any relations in the family of insanity, because it sure has a way of finding its freedom on these pages.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:10 | 3122774 Colonel
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"County Officials in New York State are now revolting against the gun map initiatives of The Journal News, denying them further information on permit holders in other counties in order to avoid possible danger to those citizens." 

So people against guns are going to attack gun owners? My God, the stupid it burns. Yes let the leftist idiots publish maps that show where CCW permit holders live, then the criminals will head to those areas where the pickings is easy and CCW permit holders can live in peace in crime free areas.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:00 | 3122778 imapopulistnow
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Common sense would say that there can be an appropriate balance between gun control and the right to bear arms.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:13 | 3122861 bank guy in Brussels
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That is an interesting question

From the point of view of an observer of America

It does seem that many 'gun control' laws are bullsh*t and oppressive and don't work

E.g., re 'assault weapons' ... dammit people have a right to some guns like that, for fun, for target shooting, and ultimately in order to fight the Nazis, i.e., the American government

But historically the one gun control move in US history that seems to gather little complaint, is the 'Class III' restrictions against the full-auto machine guns, in the 1930s ... it does seem that restricting such guns to 'special permit' holders, was somewhat positive ... it seems even Americans don't complain about that restriction

Did things get out of control perhaps with the tommy-gun gangsters in the Al Capone era? That was perhaps the fault of the immensely stupid American Taliban 'prohibition' of alcohol ... an episode Europeans cite, to prove that Americans have always been crazy

Personally, tho, I rather like full-auto weapons, there are a fair amount in Switzerland ... and I have enjoyed shooting one or two, including a Thompson SMG with a big round drum

Ammo goes awfully fast, tho ...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:02 | 3123110 aerojet
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There is no common sense--that's just a lever to pull on nice people so that you can get your agenda implemented.  We have enough common sense gun laws already.  Enough is enough. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:06 | 3123768 Vooter
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Well, if we have enough common sense gun laws already, why the whining to put armed guards in schools?

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 21:23 | 3126224 SILVERGEDDON
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Not armed guards - eg : targets - in schools - allow concealed weapons permit holders who have passed criminal background checks and have trained in the use of their firearms - to legally carry in schools.

Could be a teacher, the janitor, guy on a lawn mower, the hall monitor.

NO ONE WOULD KNOW WHO WAS PACKING AND WHO WAS UNARMED.

Takes some of the shooting defenseless victims out of the equation, doesn't it ?

Were you born this way, or did you fall on your head at an early age ? 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:05 | 3122800 Uber Vandal
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MTV hit the nail on the head with these commercials a few years back.

But hey, that can't happen here, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYI1PY-b-ro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=lO6yQvODZjI&feature=endscreen

 

 

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:05 | 3122807 wee-weed up
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Silly people... hypocrisy is sooo pre-2008!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:08 | 3122827 Skip
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SULZBERGER the publisher of the New York Times has a NYC pistol permit and carries a revolver. Something to keep in mind about all this gun control stuff:

gun control isn't about the guns, it's about control.

They want you disarmed so they can go ahead with their agenda, which doesn't include you and yours being around.

http://www.nrahq.org/

http://gunbanobama.com/
http://www.gundigest.com/article/ObamaExpose/

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:09 | 3122837 exartizo
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Well Said Tyler.

 

Well Said.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:11 | 3122845 Skip
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What do you think they're cooking up---I mean last year the IRS, the Social Security Administration and US Marine Biology and many others bought hundreds of millions of rounds of these hollow-point ammunition, hmmm what do you think? First the drone practice in US last year now the big gun grab push, you know how those Bolsheviks are...

DHS Buys 200,000 More Rounds of Ammunition

Federal government continues to arm itself to the teeth while Obama administration pushes gun control

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:22 | 3123572 lakecity55
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If the gubbermint has no compunction against wanton killing via drones, killing some kids in a schoolhouse to further their agenda is not far-fetched.

I suspect they are about to Ramp Up domestic slaughter, so be aware. Any American could be the next victim of o-phone's kill squads.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:14 | 3122872 Seorse Gorog fr...
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just turn the whole fucking country into the good old wild west

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:30 | 3122925 AgAu_man
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Aside from the advertised/alleged 'reason' (pretext!) for restricting gun usage, there is an added benefit (yes, as some have pointed out) of having a comprehensive database:  For Orwellian, Big Brother reasons.

But, what they haven't said, it that something like this was already done in the 1930's in Germany.  There the National Socialist Party bought the latest & greatest of IBM's computers (with punch cards), and made the world's most advanced database of 'select' demographic groups in Europe. IBM avoided US laws by shipping to Switzerland.  In fact, a very serious and meticulously-researched book was written on this topic (heavy reading, enough for 3 PhD's, never made it to the end):

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation-Expanded Edition by Edwin Black

BTW, I bought this book years ago because (a) IBM interested me, and (b) most of my CHRISTIAN (non-Gypsie, non-Commie, non-Jewish), upper middle-class ancestors were Holocaust victims also.  And, yes, 'Christians' are responsible for more deaths and atrocities than all other cultures and religions combined.  Not something that many Bible Thumpers can handle (especially in the US), but it's true.  And why I'm now an Atheist.  Don't need the bully-threat of 'hell', or the child's bribe of 'heaven' to have a decent, purpose-driven life.  But I digress...

That way, when the time came (WW2 started), the Nazis were able to target all the 'undesirable' elements with pin-point precision.  Yes, they were Gypsies, Communists and Jews at the time -- but the point is:  The Gov can thus 'target' ANY identifiable group it sees as a threat during and after crisis or war.  E.g. The commie Chinese killed all the bald guys with a single braided-tail, as these were the "intellectuals" who could pose a threat to their re-education programs.

Maybe they'll just change the profile of 'threats' (undesirables) on the handgun license databases.  E.g. 90% of ex-military declared "mentally compromised/unfit", due to, er, PTS.  That'll take out most of those who have the skills and means to lead any resistance.  If you recall, the Ruskies did this in the 1960'-80's, by declaring all kinds of intellectuals and dissidents as "mentally insane" and locked them up in psych wards for 'rehab'.

Think it can't/won't happen here, in the Land of the Brave and Home of The Free?  History may not repeat, but it rhymes, as they as.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:00 | 3123464 The Heart
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"Maybe they'll just change the profile of 'threats' (undesirables) on the handgun license databases.  E.g. 90% of ex-military declared "mentally compromised/unfit", due to, er, PTS.  That'll take out most of those who have the skills and means to lead any resistance.  If you recall, the Ruskies did this in the 1960'-80's, by declaring all kinds of intellectuals and dissidents as "mentally insane" and locked them up in psych wards for 'rehab'.

Think it can't/won't happen here, in the Land of the Brave and Home of The Free?  History may not repeat, but it rhymes, as they as."

 

Open for forum discussion:

What goes through YOUR mind and heart when you realize this truth?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:23 | 3123579 LFMayor
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so label me as such. 

Make me a criminal with a stroke of that mighty legislative pen.  Because I'm here to inform you, those speed limit laws sure have kept me below the posted!

What was it Quantrill did, before he got made into a guerilla?  He was a school teacher. 

Make us all outlaws, and the Whole Crew will Act Up.  Like Quantrill, they might find that they like the taste of it.  They might even discover a previouly unknown Talent in it.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:39 | 3124079 AgAu_man
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It VEXES me.  Especially when I see the ever-expanding list of 'attributes' (as they call them) that disqualify you for a Concealed Gun/Weapon License (CGL/CWL).  For example, not that anyone is a fan of having a DUI, but what does that have to do with the right to Bear Arms (have a CWL)?  The cops don't want you to Open Carry, even it IS legal in their state.  It spooks the sheep too much, and may -- get this! -- cause them to cite you for "Disturbing the peace".  I poop you not.

A DUI is how they got our nanny (nailed for 0.09 in a 0.08 limit), who is an active US Army Reservist.  That takes her out of the loop.

Who's next?  Any active guy who has what was called Battle Fatigue, but is now called PTS (Post-Traumatic Stess)? 

Who gave them the frikkin' Battle Fatigue -- let's call it what it IS -- and did they UN-fatigue them when they got home?  Hell, they're lucky to get decent medical attention, much less a job!  Of course, if they teach them Warcraft and only warcraft, how useful are they in the private sector, except for maybe security training?  It's more FUBAR by the day, I say.

 

 

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 01:24 | 3124714 Clovis Man
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While I agree with your post in general, I object to this:

"  And, yes, 'Christians' are responsible for more deaths and atrocities than all other cultures and religions combined."

Um, no, that is not supported by any numbers I've ever seen. The 20th century's slaughter topped almost everything that happened in the preceding centuries and was almost all done or caused by Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Soviet Russia, and Communist China. While there are or have been Christians in those countries, I don't see how any  reasonable person would claim that Christians were responsible for what they did. And yes I know that Stalin was a seminary student, but in no way did he (or anyone) consider him to be a Christian.

I do not know of any Christian exploits that come close to the numbers attained by Ghenkis Khan or the Hindus killed by the Muslim conquest of India.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:27 | 3122952 zerotohero
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From the Daily Reckoning - says it all:

WHEN THEY COME FOR YOUR GUNS, YOU WILL TURN THEM OVER

“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.

And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”

This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.

Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.

If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.

The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.

And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.

Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.

According to Public Intelligence:

“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.’ Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being ‘necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities’ under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.”

And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.

And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.

That is your choice… for the moment.

Read more: When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over http://dailyreckoning.com/when-they-come-for-your-guns-you-will-turn-them-over/#ixzz2H234AwJ7

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:32 | 3122981 The Joker
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I laugh in the face of death.  Die free or live in slavery.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:53 | 3123065 aerojet
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Way to cave.  He's right, taking on the state by yourself is probably suicide unless you are Rambo, but there are plenty of ways to organize and then resist and it would only take two or three like-minded people to lay a trap for "gun police" that would result in a bloodbath for the history books--if the people at Waco could do it, so can anyone else.  The question is:  Do they really want to take the chance that formerly law-abiding people won't turn on them in decent numbers?  Over 1 million Americans voted Libertarian in the last election.  Right there is one million individualists who are fed up with statism.  The United States is a vast place and would be impossible keep under the boot--the US military can't even protect Kabul, not to mention the majority of war-torn Afghanistan, and there you're talking about the most un-educated, un-sophisticated people on the planet. Do not even attempt to create a hostile situation for Americans, it will not end well.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:13 | 3123533 The Heart
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Well, look at the numbers.

Less than 20% of the people support and approve the babylonian congress. Less than that approve and support the senate and usurper soterobama.

That means probably more than 80% of the people are sick and frickin tired of these babylonians and their media whore liars and deceiver propagandists.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/congress-approval-rating-all-ti...

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:28 | 3124135 AgAu_man
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Dare I point out the fact that -- ironically enough -- We The People pretty much elected/re-elected the same clowns back into Congress and Senate, whom we had recently given an 'approval' rating as low as 2%?

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 04:14 | 3124813 The Heart
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Actually, they, maybe an entire 10% of the brain-dead TV drug watching lemmings elected/re-elected the clown criminals, or thought they did anyways. The other 90% sat it out while the machines made it look like possibly 40% voted. There was a strong 40% no show voters who knew that all the puppets work for the same money god banksters and corrupted world domination freakazoids. Evil is evil and there is no lessor than.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:59 | 3123095 Freddie
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Daily Reckoning is pushing real estate developments and so is Doug Casey in Argentina, South America, et al.

And who the F*** is this guy to call gun owners Neo Cons!!??? 

I an't no Neo Con and loads of other gun owners are not.   Sadly my .22 cowboy wheel gun was lost in a tragic boating accident.  I miss it.  I feel defenseless but I have a Gun Free Zone sign in my yard.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:21 | 3123174 AgAu_man
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Good comment!  My gut feel is that -- in spite of all the macho bravado, gratifying, and self-assuring breast-beating -- most people will turn into Sheep.  Like in Germany in the 1930's.  In fact modern Germans have a word for this:  "Obrigkeit Bewust" (Obrih-kite Bay-woost), which literally translated "Authority Consciousness", but actually means "cow-towing to authority".

Because (a) all too many Americans just frikking LOVE to obey the law and authority figures (with those weapons and gear we worship in movies and video games), and (b) we were taught to fight against external villains, not internal villains.  I suspect that the Normalcy Bias will be too much to overcome the slow-boil that is occurring.

The only time that a real mass-revolt will start, is if too many are too hungry for too long.  But, by then their 'revolt' won't make much of a difference against the superior forces, who will quel and radio-silence even small 'disturbances'.  Be assured, they are taking copious notes for official "Lessons Learned" in the Arab Spring events/experiments.  Maybe they'll even type-cast US uprisings as episodes of "domestic/sleeper terrorists".  A la Orwell's 1984.  Maybe these same ba$$-turds are 'crowd-sourcing' (trawling) for ideas on this site right now.

Like one witty ZH guy (name escapes me) said a day or two ago... He put up info on FB, and got no response.  Not even likes or dislikes.  Goes to show how SCARED the "masses" have become.  God forbid, that an employer or would-be employer gets to see their non-vanilla, non-vetted views on FB, and disapprove/dismiss them! 

But I sincerely hope and 'pray' that the masses would act like traditional Americans, and not like modern, molly-coddled pets.  But, as someone once said:  "Intentions, Wishes, Hope or Prayers are not actionable strategies.  They are feel-good strategies."  I think that might have been me.

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:57 | 3123448 zerotohero
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right on target.....no pun intended

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:26 | 3123220 toomanyfakecons...
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Bullshit! Law enforcement and the U.S. military would not and could not enforce a treasonous general or selective seizure of firearms. If they tried, they wouldn't last two minutes against, armed highly-motivated Americans. *There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass*

 

No way in hell the author or many of the fear-bot commenters on ZH have been in the military. Honor and love of country still exists. For many civilians and those in the military/law enforcement it's not about the money anymore. America is not asleep. Untold millions of people are buying guns and ammo every month without the intention of ever handing them back. Everyone knows the fix is in and that lines in the sand must not be crossed.

 

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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:45 | 3123348 WTFx10
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Yeah the Afghans have been giving up their weapons for ten fucking years. They just turn them in ,right after they kill a few of our marines armed with the best weapons the American tax payers can buy with their Joo Mafia reserve notes.

"They hate us for our freedoms"

So if we take them away then they will love us?

Guns don't kill Banksters, Debt slaves with guns kill Banksters thats who the government has to protect not  "we the people"

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 20:45 | 3124308 Fedaykinx
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If the only folks you know are lily-livered urbanite swells I can see how you might think this way.

The AR-15's would be the least of their worries.  Once it starts I'd be more concerned about all the organized militias with scoped 30-06's and .270's hiding in the trees.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:28 | 3122957 chistletoe
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"hypocrisy" is human nature.

Just look at how many humans go around calling everybody else a hypocrit, all the time.

 

Everyone I know, everyone I read, seems to know what good and evil are,

and every one of you tells me that you yourself are one of the good guys.

 

No one should have guns.  No one.  I'm looking forward to the day when the government collapses and everyone of you dumbfucks goes running out into the woods and starts shooting at each other for meat .....

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:36 | 3122990 The Joker
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Tastes like pig.  I like pig.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:34 | 3123306 WTFx10
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"I'm looking forward to the day when the government collapses"

We will be shooting at the ones WHO don't have the guns brainiac cause you won't shoot back. Whos the dumb fuck?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:26 | 3123597 LFMayor
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Those tofu raised limp wrists are GOOD EATIN'.  You just baste them with their own patchouli oil and slow smoke them over hickory coals.

Wendigo Meats, LLC.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 20:47 | 3124313 Fedaykinx
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I say old man, that was funny.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:44 | 3123370 viahj
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well, please enlighten us "dumbfucks" what your intelligence will have you doing "the day when the government collapses" without a means to defend yourself?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:29 | 3123605 LFMayor
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he's going to doate all the shit he's carrying and then feed someone a meal.  Or, if I've already eaten, I might tie him off on the grille guard with a sack over his head, a la Lord Humongous's ride.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:28 | 3122960 SmittyinLA
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The NRA represents gun manufacturers, they're not interested in "self defense rights" more than half of their donor lists include people that vote for Mexican criminal invasion and Mexicans want gun control and are OK with cartels having heavy weaponry.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:32 | 3123295 WTFx10
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4 million plus GUN manufactures is who the NRA represents? YOU are a stupid fuck. Membership is comprised of the population who pay the dues.  Mexicans have very strict GUN control thats why only the drug gang criminals have them,stupid fuck.

Fuck I don't even know why I am replying to this racist ignorant comment?

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:16 | 3123543 lakecity55
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fuck off, commie.

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:29 | 3122963 crawl
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Anti-gun zealots being the "do as I say, not as I do" type doesn't shock me.  What does is the obvious lack of questioning their motives and research by people in the media to make certain they live the life they preach.  But then again, liberal media bias won't allow that to happen.  So we get what we got here...hypocrits on tv, radio and in print preaching as if their way is the only way to truth, life, liberty and enlighnment.  Sigh, likely to continue too.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:38 | 3122978 Mercury
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All gun owners should be mapped so that anti-gun citizens can “know who their neighbors are” and the “possible danger that surrounds them”. 

OK Poindexter, pass that law. Now the gun owning homeowner is that much safer from something like a home invasion and you are more vulnerable because any would-be criminal with an internet connection will be chosing to loot your house not his.

Better yet, the gun owner can put a sign on his lawn with an arrow pointing next door saying: "MY NEIGHBOR IS ANTI-GUN AND DOES NOT OWN ONE LIKE I DO"

What's the liberal/PC term for: "shoot yourself in the foot"?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:15 | 3123177 shovelhead
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Policy.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:39 | 3123004 Yen Cross
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 Apparently guns aren't the only "Lethal Weapons", [aka] objects that can kill. It seems cane toting senior citizenism is fair game as well.

 85-year-old man in jail, accused of felony assault for hitting person with his cane | KDVR.com – Denver News, Weather & Sports from FOX 31 News in Denver, Colorado

 

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:40 | 3123006 gwar5
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More Gun facts: All public mass shootings in USA since 1950 have been in so-called "gun free zones," with only one exception. There has never been a mass shooting at a gun show where guns are eveywhere.

 

 

Homicide rate among Whites and Asians is only 1.8 per 100,000, same or better than Europe and Canada. Stockholm Sweden homicide rate is 3 per 100,000.

Homicide rate among US black population is 18 per 100,000; and, among Hispanics in USA it is 8 per 100,000 (Overall, USA rate is 4.5 per 100,000). To noone's surprise, drugs and gang activity are to blame for the majority of gun murders in these subsets, and Obama walked grenades and >2500 AK-47s to Mexican drug cartels.

Homicide rate in Mexico is 20.5 per 100,000, and they have some of the toughest gun laws in the world. Homicide rate in gun-banning Chicago is the same as Mexico's. Bloomberg's NYC homicide rate is 7.5 per 100,000, 50% higher than national average; and, that is really only thanks to Guiliani's neighborhood policing program, not gun banning.

Gun ownership is a sovereign right, not a privilege. And all 300 million of us are the sovereigns. Our politicians are only our temporary employees and they have armed guards and carry personal weapons for self-defense. Trying to strip our sovereign rights is an act of treason, just like arming drug cartels and arming Al-Qaeda are/were acts of treason.

 

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:56 | 3123082 toomanyfakecons...
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It's true. The dirty secret here is the majority of mass shootings occur in "gun-free" zones full of unarmed people who cannot shoot back.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:20 | 3123564 The Joker
Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:59 | 3123094 gwar5
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BTW, I wonder how our neo-fascist handlers would like it if someone posted residential maps of all: homosexuals, abortion recipients, AIDS patients, Obama bundlers, MSM anchor residences, black panther/Nation of Islam Members, or a list of all marxist university professors??

 

Gay militants in CA during Prop 8 did, in fact, post a map of opposing individuals and their businesses from a hacked donor lists and over 400 acts of violence were carried out on persons and property while TPTB looked the other way. Guns are needed now more than ever for self defense as such things are now SOP by the left-wing ding dongs.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:03 | 3123754 Freddie
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I saw a video where gays were vandalizing a big Mormon church/temple in So Cal.  The Mormons wee big supporters of Prop 8. 

The local cops did nothing and you actually heard them saying they should let them burn it down.   The video may be on youtube somewhere.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:45 | 3123026 aerojet
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This was very well written and I especially appreciate the sentiment about fear:

"They should be required to control THEIR fear, not allowed to control OUR guns."

Gun prohibitionists express baseless fear.  There was a recent story out of Illinois where some patrons at a Denny's were upset because some police detectives were eating lunch in the restaurant with the openly-carried firearms (and badges).  It caused the floor manager to ask the detectives to leave, although a general manager over-rode that call pretty quickly.  The detectives decided not to eat there and advised his personnel to find lunch elsewhere.

Gun-hatred is pure idiocy and we must not all idiots to gain anymore headway into the US than they already have.  The hour is already far too late and the abuses have gone on far too long.  Not one more compromise with damn fools.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:50 | 3123043 toomanyfakecons...
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Don't underestimate the gun frenzy. The shitstorm has created a market for firearms like I have never seen. Empty shelves at local gun stores are causing price spikes, speculation, and a rise in internet sales and private sales.

 

A new store in my area opened last month with hundreds of cases of military surplus ammo and IT'S ALL SOLD!

 

Very few AR-15s, AKs, Mini-14s or battle rifles left for sale at the retail level. Magazines are selling for 2x to 5x their value from a month ago! This is not going away anytime soon!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:55 | 3123438 Freddie
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19 million checks in 2012 which probably means about 19 million new guns sold.  Assume a few got turned down so say 18 million.

Since the mullah stole election #1 - from 2008 to 2012 probably 47 to 60 million new guns have been sold.  This is in a country that you would have thought had pretty much saturated gun ownership - ie if somebody wanted one or a few - they already had them.  

Who in the hell ever thought you could move the demand curve for a product with market saturation so much? 

I would bet there are 10 to 25 million new guns owners who never dreamed of owning a gun.  I never did until I understood it is insurance against tyranny and some thug killing me.

Sadly, my beloved .22 cowboy 5 shot wheel gun sits at the bottom of a lake after a boating accident with Pochahontas, not to be confused with Elizabeth Warren.   I cry over it almost every day. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 20:51 | 3124320 Fedaykinx
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Betcha it's more than 19mil, each check could possibly be any number of weapons.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:59 | 3123738 Vooter
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LOL...talk about a nation of pussies...you really can't make this shit up...and obviously, we don't have to!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:50 | 3123053 Skip
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76 Percent of Latinos Support Obama Administration gun control (Nov 3 2011 Mayors Against Illegal Guns Poll)

George Soros, a Hungarian Jew, bankrolls several anti-gun US organizations.

Just for your information.

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:53 | 3123069 toomanyfakecons...
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Smells like treason and foreign influence.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:10 | 3123795 The Heart
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Absolutely!

We now hear the outcry from the chinese, russian, and isrealli authorities all saying the same thing the obanation says.:

All americans must be disarmed so we can take over the country easier from within like we told you we would do. The compromised and corrupted leadership working for the banksters all promised to do so if we lent the bush regime all those billions of dollars to fight false wars based on lies and deceptions for the outrageous profits of a few in the MIC. If America is disarmed, it will be so much easier for the takeover in the coming world war for the rottenchild/rottenfeller empire of dust and the money god.

Who profits from war and world-wide destruction?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 20:50 | 3124318 DosZap
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76 Percent of Latinos Support Obama Administration gun control

because they CAME from a country that treated then as slaves, and they had very few rights, and have lived in poverty and serfdom their entire lives.

What they will not LIKE is IF they take the weapons away,see what happens to them, and other innocents.........just like HOME.

100 million dead are screaming from their graves, murdered by their Benevolent governments.After removing their means of defense, or offense.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 23:42 | 3124593 forwardho
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Hey Skip, it seems you are cherry picking data, that shit don't fly with the ZH'ers.

If you are going to present facts, present them all.

George(I worked with the gestapo) Soros recently purchased controling intrest in 10 U.S. ammunition plants.

The rat bastard has always played both side of any conflict, He makes billions coming and going.

Unless you are describing a malignant tumor, Its best not to use that amoral POS as an example.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 09:30 | 3125005 WTFx10
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Can't make any money if you don't support both sides. Hedging your bets, Diversification of investments isn't that what they teach us?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:03 | 3123054 Manthong
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"citizens can “know who their neighbors are” and the “possible danger that surrounds them”.

Maybe I am missing something, but by definition that means that every public official, “VIP", or celebrity  with armed protection and every armed law enforcement person is a threat (potential danger).

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:55 | 3123075 Peter Pan
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It's funny how the right to bear arms is so strongly held onto by the citizenry yet the right for Iran to "bear arms" is out of the question.

The reality is that the issue is a catch 22. More violence leads to a need to arm oneself and in turn more guns mean more gun related  incidents.

Gone are the good old days when the sheriff used to march into the saloon and demand that cowboys hand over their guns while they were in town.

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:59 | 3123096 Quinvarius
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I am pretty sure the NYT is trying to start some shit lately because they think the government has their back with the armed military.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:00 | 3123105 sagelike
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Dumb post by Durden or whatever his name is.

Armed guards for a newspaper or Obama's children is quite a bit different than posting an armed guard at every school.

Obama's children are being specifically protected and the newspaper obviously perceives a threat, no doubt from those with a gun fetish who have probably written threatening letters to the editor.

Additionally, does Durden wish to pay the extra taxes to cover the cost of armed guards?

Probably not because all taxes are just a waste of money anyways and we shouldn't have cops or firefighters either.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:10 | 3123153 Skip
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You are wrong, the Secret Service guards are there to protect the hip-hop duo, but the rest of the armed guards, 11 of them, are employees of Sidwell Friends School and they were in the process last month of hiring another armed guard.

School Obama's Daughters Attend Has 11 Armed Guards Not Countng Secret Service
by AWR Hawkins 24 Dec 2012

Obama Administration Slashed Funding for School-Safety Programs - By Andrew Johnson - The Corner - National Review Online
Andrew Johnson December 21, 2012

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:34 | 3123299 DosZap
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 You are wrong, the Secret Service guards are there to protect the hip-hop duo, but the rest of the armed guards, 11 of them, are employees of Sidwell Friends School and they were in the process last month of hiring another armed guard

 

That's because Libtard chillens are more valuable than yours or mine.And this proves it, as well as Obama not liking armed guards in Public schools/Colleges..............WHY?.

Because the senseless murders would stop.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:21 | 3123225 IridiumRebel
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I got this one cuz no response besides what I will now lay out is needed.

FUCK OFF AND LEAVE. Down vote the shit outta this fuckhead. 

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 21:39 | 3126249 SILVERGEDDON
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No costs or armed guards required. Just let the staff that laready has concealed weapons permits, guns, and training, legally carry in schools. 

Psychopath doesn't know who is armed, and who is not !!!

It is called deterrent.

Worst case, nut job gets a few rounds off, and some one turns him into fertilizer with a few well placed rounds.

One or two of those episodes, and schools get safe as church.

Dial 911, cops arrive to bag the dead. Call your hand gun, help gets delivered at 1200 feet per second to the fucking problem.

It is called self reliance, and self preservation.

But, you wouldn't know anything about that.

Natural selection will weed the losers of the world out all on it's own - you won't need any help getting there. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:03 | 3123116 Joebloinvestor
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They need to publish the names and addresses of their guards.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:13 | 3123125 dwdollar
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Now you know how the 1st Amendment reinforces the 2nd Amendment. Right here you see the arguments of gun control morons shredded to pieces with logical and coherent thought processes voiced by people unafraid to speak. Let's hope the 2nd doesn't have to reinforce the 1st, although I believe we are getting closer to that.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:54 | 3123423 DosZap
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Now you know how the 1st Amendment reinforces the 2nd Amendment

Like your premise and post, but here I think YOU have it backwards.

The 2nd, protects ALL OTHERS.

Lose it, you lose all.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:12 | 3123159 williambanzai7
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Maybe we should just get rid of people--Yogi Bear

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:27 | 3123257 Remington IV
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chimp city has a new mayor

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:52 | 3123414 dexter_morgan
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Can the names and addresses of the gun grabbers and journalists be listed somewhere in some publication? Kind of like publishing where gun-free zones are for folks that might be interested in that.......

That's public records information also isn't it?

It is amazing how these 'privacy' zealots are the ones to turn around and do stuff like this.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:54 | 3123432 AUELOX
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Geez, if I were a thief I would get a copy of the map and avoid those homes!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:45 | 3123671 Freddie
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Alternatively, this newspaper opened up other homes for being robbed.  The beauty of ownership and privacy is that the crooks do not know which homes are armed.  They do now.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:13 | 3123528 zerotohero
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after reading many of the responses above - I again come to the only conclusion possible - the USSA is fucked - sooner or later it will implode.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:24 | 3123584 10mm
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When the dollar officially tanks bet on outside forces to be called in.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:32 | 3123628 f16hoser
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I'll turn in my guns when my Ass Hole learns to chew gum!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:57 | 3123727 Vooter
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"My question is, why should we go out of our way to please such weaklings and frauds?"

Who's weaker, a person who feels that they have to walk around carrying a weapon, or a person who doesn't?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:33 | 3123866 The Heart
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Mass murders agree, gun control works!

Innocents Betrayed - The History of Gun Control - FULL LENGTH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUmKT43j4Tc

And another thing, can anyone actually identify the weapon that is being pulled out of the trunk of this car? Close inspection of the ariel video that is out there reveals it does not look like an AR-15. What kind of antique is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de3lmAD5kXo

According to the Coroner, there was only a long gun used to kill in the school. So then, the four handguns were not used?

But wait!

"He had two semiautomatic pistols and a .223-caliber rifle, law enforcement officials said. He apparently used only the handguns, which were later found in the school. The rifle was found in the vehicle."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/adam-lanza-is-recalled-as-a-ra...

Are inconsistencies lies? Whose lies are the real lies becomes the only question because there is an obvious lack of factual provable beyond a shadow of doubt provable truth here in this entire setup. Funny how there seems to be a lot of isrealli and zionist connections to all this.

Too much stupidity in this set up scam for the gun-confiscation agenda to survive. It gets more and more ridiculous as time goes on.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 05:43 | 3124861 bunnyswanson
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http://atruthsoldier.wordpress.com/tag/sandy-hook-crisis-actors-or-just-... Did run across this compilation of articles and videos. Takes a long time to load.  It is huge.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:43 | 3123918 Stud Duck
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The article was too damn long for the message it was conveying, the idiot comments on this one just wierd ,then worst.

Fix bayonets!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:46 | 3123935 Stud Duck
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"God made man, Sam Colt made them equal. " Will Rogers, circa, 1928

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:21 | 3124031 IvyMike
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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 19:27 | 3124131 akak
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That is the most intelligent comment you have made in your multi-day troll spree here.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!