Where The Jobs Are: "55 And Older"

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A good jobs report? Sure, if one is 55 and over. In December the American jobs gerontocracy continued its relentless course, and as the two charts below summarize since Obama's first term, some 2.7 million jobs in the 16-55 year old category have been lost. The "offset": 4 million jobs for Americans between 55 and 69. For all those young people graduating from college (with $150,000 in student loans) who are unable to get a job, here is our advice: tell your parents, and grandparents, to retire already. Oh wait, they can't because Bernanke destroyed their savings. Oops - better luck next time.

Job "gains" for all Americans 54 and younger vs those 55 and older:

And the same broken down by segment:

Source: BLS

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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:00 | 3121847 IvyMike
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Jobs are for wage-slaves.

The Owner class—via government enFORCEment of self-styled "property rights" artificial borders—restricts your free movement and opportunity to hunt and gather a FREE LUNCH off the land like your ancestors did.

"Food resources were 'both varied and abundant,' particularly the energy rich mangetti nut - 'so abundant that millions of the nuts rotted on the ground each year for want of picking."

~Marshall Sahlins, University of Chicago
The Original AFFLUENT Society

Once humanity has been forced out of a free Non-State lifeway of foraging the land, you're going to starve unless you work for the Owner Class. Wage-slavin' away FOR THE MAN.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:03 | 3121916 Shocker
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Like said before, Jobs are going from Full Time, High Paying  to Part Time, Minimum Wage.

Everyone is paying for this economy, its just the fresh College grads that are expecting 100k, and getting 15k jobs.

Its tough for everyone, and the job market is changing/still very weak

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com

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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:10 | 3121955 IvyMike
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We Don't Want Full Employment, We Want Full Lives!

http://www.whywork.org/

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:39 | 3122083 toomanyfakecons...
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I couldn't agree more... work aka wage-slavery is a scam.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:46 | 3122106 IvyMike
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Communism and Capitalism are both the same scam: a few brutal elite control the land and restrict free Non-State families from hunting and gathering a FREE LUNCH off the land like your ancestors did for millenia.

I like how this guy puts it:

Our system of private property in land FORCES landless men to work for others; to work in factories, stores, and offices, whether they like it or not. Wherever access to land is free, men work only to provide what they actually need or desire. Wherever the white man has come in contact with savage cultures this fact becomes apparent. There is for savages in their native state no such sharp distinction between "work" and "not working" as clocks and factory whistles have accustomed the white man to accept. They cannot be made to work regularly at repetitive tasks in which they have no direct interest except by some sort of duress. Disestablishment from land, like slavery, is a form of DURESS. The white man, where slavery cannot be practiced, has found that he must first disestablish the savages from their land before he can force them to work steadily for him. Once they are disestablished, they are in effect starved into working for him and into working as he directs.

~Dr. Ralph Borsodi
This Ugly Civilization (1929, Simon and Schuster)

So now we gotta work, work, work for the Man. Doesn't matter if he speaks Russian or English, they're all the same, control-freaks who will kill you if you dare try to gambol about plain and forest foraging a free lunch.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:02 | 3122186 Chump
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LMFAO!  Yeah, hunting and gathering is free, except for the required knowledge of which nuts and berries won't kill you, and how to lay traps, and how to identify game trails, and how to prepare your catch, and how to identify, avoid, and treat contact with various poisonous plants, and how to identify, avoid, and treat contact with various parasites, and how to detect and avoid contact with other dangerous predators, and on and on and on.

I guess if you can make up your own definitions for concepts you can be right about anything.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:10 | 3122231 IvyMike
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Do you get your fantasies of Non-State life from a Disney movie, City-Statist slicker? I thought so!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:16 | 3122262 Chump
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Have you ever so much as picked a wild berry and eaten it?  Ever identified a wild mushroom and eaten it?  Ever followed a game trail to a choke point and successfully laid a trap with homemade rope?  Of course not.  But you've read about hunting and gathering and it's free and stuff.  Like, totally.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:35 | 3122352 Freddie
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+1

Choke point for him is when his boyfriend is choking the living shit out of him or when he is jamming a ferret up his....... 

You get the picture.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:58 | 3122479 IvyMike
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LoLbertarians sound just like Leftist who can't stand the truth about their City-Statist "progress."

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:39 | 3122381 Manthong
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How are the Mandarin lessons coming along?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:15 | 3122547 Chump
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I gave up when I found out 'ma' had 7 different definitions depending on the intonation.  Screw that, I'll be a mute slave.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:52 | 3122451 IvyMike
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Have you ever managed a private bank called the FED? No? Then, by your logic, you can't comment on it, just because you've only read about it.

Darn! LOL

But yeah, I've done all that, LoLbertard Liar.

And I didn't have to Work For The Man for it either, which is what we mean by "work" here.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:14 | 3122543 Chump
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I'm sorry you're having such trouble with basic concepts, but if you had actually done any of those things you'd understand they are anything but a "free lunchTM."  The price you pay for being clueless about wild mushrooms is measured in the explosiveness of your diarrhea and the color of your vomit.  

I can certainly comment on Fed policy, and I can likewise be wrong in my comments, perhaps as wrong as you are here.  That's why I strive to know what I'm talking about if I'm going to make a comment.  I also tend to change my opinion when I'm shown to be wrong.  That is clearly a better tactic than writing angry nonsense and then writing even angrier nonsense when called on it.

It's almost lunch time, so I'm off to pick wild berries at random and snag a few rabbits for free.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:12 | 3123523 IvyMike
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"Free Lunch" simply means foraging your own food and not not having to work for another human who owns the surface of the earth so you can eat.

Wage slavery is the price you pay for being clueless about your enslavement by the hierarchical Owner Class, city-Statist chump.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:00 | 3125482 phyuckyiu
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Just what this board needs, another mangina sitting on his ipad in starbucks, spouting off about how he can forage for nuts and berries for the rest of his life, and make his own clothes and soap and ammunition and guns and... what a joke. Take your anarchy bullshit somewhere else. I look forward to you bending over when the boys with guns show up. You're posting on the net, that's a collective, jackass.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:04 | 3122199 MrTouchdown
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What you described there is Fascism and Communism - not Capitalism. If you are one of those kids that went to college, this explains why you got such a simple concept wrong. On the other hand - this is a great opportunity for you to enrich your life with some learning! Lesson 1: Captialism is not a governmental regime like Fascism or Communism. 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:08 | 3122213 IvyMike
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What you're attempting is the No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

It's used so often by LoLbertarian types that it should be called the "No True Capitalist Fallacy."

Besides, Fascism has "merit" to this Capitalist economist.

"It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history."

~Ludwig von Mises, Liberalism

me·rit (n.) 1. Superior quality or worth; excellence 2. Demonstrated ability or achievement.

Ouch!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:25 | 3122309 Chump
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So you've moved from creating your own personal definitions for words to cherry-picking quotes for your own use.  You are truly a winner.

It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as something more would be a fatal error.

If you'd like to actually read what you're quoting from you can do so here: http://mises.org/liberal/ch1sec10.asp

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:45 | 3122407 Ghordius
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And Mises wrote the important parts of that chapter before WWII. At that time even Churchill had kind words for fascism. At that time it was "fascism saving europe from socialism"

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:54 | 3122458 IvyMike
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Marx wrote his bullshit before Soviet Communism. Does that excuse him? No? Darn, you're out of lame excuses, LoLbertarian.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:14 | 3122542 Ghordius
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LOL - I'm usually addressed quite differently, here...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:13 | 3123526 IvyMike
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Then you're as fucking stupid as one. What are you, a Leftard, Euro-boi?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:56 | 3122470 IvyMike
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Mises thought of Fascism as an "emergency makeshift?"

So is a splint you'd get in an emergency room before being shipped to a big hospital to get bone surgery.

Cool Story, Bro, comparing fascism to the work of an Emergency Doctor.

Doctor Fascism, Doctor Fascism, Chump needs you to fix him in room 3!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:16 | 3122550 Ghordius
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yes. it was "fascism saving europe from socialism". before WWII. way before most of what is understood today as part of fascism

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:18 | 3122553 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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I am surprised anyone is even willing to respond to this "City-Statist" spewing troll.  Where is MDB when you need him, he was at least funny some of the time.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:22 | 3122574 akak
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This PoisonIvyMike needs to be banned promptly --- he is hijacking EVERY thread with his off-topic diatribes, and right at the top of each thread too, to maximize his visibility and disruptive effect.  If that is not the very definition of "trolling", I don't know what is.  Clearly, he is committed to disrupting and diverting EVERY discussion here.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:26 | 3122601 DaveyJones
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Ivy is a weed

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:14 | 3123535 IvyMike
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akak is like any whiney snot-nosed Leftist. He can't handle dissent.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:18 | 3123553 fuu
Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:31 | 3123622 Jena
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You're making fast friends here at Zero Hedge.  

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:18 | 3122563 Chump
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Um, yeah, exactly.  Mises pretty much called the outcome in the previous parts of that chapter as well.  Give it a read.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 21:10 | 3131350 MrTouchdown
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Nope, you're wrong again. Capitalism is simply a personal belief that it is best to accrue as much capital as possible. It has nothing to do with governing people.

Facism is when the gov't engages in capitalism, and prevents anyone else from doing so. If a king decides that only he is allowed to practice capitalism - that's Fascism. The "wrong" with that situation is the gov't taking monopolistic power - not capitalism.

Your fascism quote is nice, but completely off-topic. This is understandable, as you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:07 | 3122520 grid-b-gone
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Most work is getting paid to do something someone else doesn't want to do.

I knew when the kids played T-ball and no score was kept or winner declared that they were missing out on a key preparation for life. 

My wife and I, both 50+, got new jobs in the past six months. Hers because she can stay on task and limit cell phone checks to designated breaks. Mine, because I have not had an accident or moving violation for over 30 years. Yes, they are not the meaningful corporate jobs we used to have, but we grew up with first-account Great Depression survivors and understand we all start, or restart from exactly where we are right now.

I know plenty of kids in my childrens' generation who are working their butts off - and succeeding. Some are being taken advantage of with long internship periods and similar outrages.

This generation will do fine, but employers who avoided the over-50 worker due to health insurance a few years ago, now realise productivity is what counts. Today, as the stats show, they just hire the older worker without benefits, giving a hit to both generations.   

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:20 | 3122568 Ballin D
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Youre delusional.  I started to address your comment point by point but its more productive to say that the only thing you said that makes sense is this:

"I knew when the kids played T-ball and no score was kept or winner declared that they were missing out on a key preparation for life. "

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:15 | 3122256 azzhatter
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Nephew paid $120K for degree, now he's working for $22K in some employment agency. It was that or Home Depot

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:36 | 3122364 Proofreder
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OMG, 22 dollars an hour, where do I sign up ???

Oh, 22 "K"

= under $10 / hr.

Never mind. Still fooked, keeponlookin'

Sighhhhhhh

 

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:45 | 3122411 sgt_doom
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I have to agree with Shocker, it's gotta be part-time jobs geared towards that age group, or the latest cumulative push towards gov't privatization (both federal, state and local), with the gov't retirees or quitters going on to the privatized job slots.

As one in that age group who has had an hellacious time finding employment, these numbers don't appear to skew right...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:08 | 3121920 IvyMike
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Even Benjamin Franklin observed this:

When an Indian Child has been brought up among us, taught our language and habituated to our Customs, yet if he goes to see his relations and make one Indian Ramble with them, there is no perswading him ever to return, and that this is not natural [to them] merely as Indians, but as men, is plain from this, that when white persons of either sex have been taken prisoners young by the Indians, and lived a while among them, tho' ransomed by their Friends, and treated with all imaginable tenderness to prevail with them to stay among the English, yet in a Short time they become disgusted with our manner of life, and the care and pains that are necessary to support it, and take the first good Opportunity of escaping again into the Woods, from whence there is no reclaiming them. One instance I remember to have heard, where the person was brought home to possess a good Estate; but finding some care necessary to keep it together, he relinquished it to a younger Brother, reserving to himself nothing but a gun and a match-Coat, with which he took his way again to the Wilderness.

Though they have few but natural wants and those easily supplied. But with us are infinite Artificial wants...

~Benjamin Franklin
Letter to Peter Collinson, May 9, 1753

DISGUSTED with City-Statism (Civilization.) Indeed.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:14 | 3121974 NoDebt
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Yeah, but they didn't have iPods and the internet to dazzle them back then!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:22 | 3122008 IvyMike
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Yeah, Civilization (City-Statism) is indeed an ADDICTION CULTURE that started with alcohol. Anthropology and Archeology demonstrate that humans didn't engage in agriculture because they were hungry. The beer pottery predates bread-making ovens by 1500 years.

How Beer Created Civilization
http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2010/11/09/how-beer-created-c...

Electronic Heroin is just the latest addiction. (See, even I'm taking another hit on the crack pipe.)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:47 | 3122117 Aurora Ex Machina
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As posted in response to this before; stop twisting the sources to fit your rather Strawman version of Primitivism, you're coming off as an attention whore.

Beer = clean water before people really understood microbiology. Important when you're living in small cities with very little idea of sanitation. (Lest we forget the real genius of Rome; indoor plumbing. Just a pity they used lead, but hey).

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:53 | 3122136 IvyMike
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Tell me how humans survived for 2 million years without beer. Can't figure it out, City-Statist numbskull?

That's because nobody but City-Statists need antiseptic alcohol to replace the water they've made filthy with their City-Statist pollution.

P.S. Nobody but foul City-Statists need indoor plumbing to try to solve the immense problem of their crowded, filthy City-Statist CULTure.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:03 | 3122167 Aurora Ex Machina
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Hint: many didn't. Top tip for you next attempt: you don't need a static, agrarian population for drinking. Might want to look into nomadic herders. But I guess you're too primitive to have even tasted Kumis or Airag, eh?

Well, now I've just disproven your argument with a twenty-second application of Google, let's move on, shall we?

By the way:

Humans (Homo sapiens) are primates of the family Hominidae, and the only extant species of the genus Homo.[2][3][4] They originated in Africa, where they reached anatomical modernity about 200,000 years ago and began to exhibit full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago.[5]

I see you're not even intelligent enough to have progressed to the Australopithecus stage, which is where your claim of 2 million years puts you. 50,000 years ago is Sapiens, child.

 

I'll defer until your knuckles stop grazing themselves on the ground. Oh, and top tip young hominid: Lions, Tigers and Bears did in a lot of your kind as well, and many have descendents around here.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:05 | 3122204 IvyMike
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Hint: The earliest documented members of the genus Homo are Homo habilis which evolved around 2.3 million years ago; the earliest species for which there is positive evidence of use of stone tools. ~wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Keep raging, City-Statist boi. You're Statist through and through.

Lions, Tigers and Bears did in a lot of your kind as well..."

Do you get your info from Disney movies, City-Statist halfwit?

"There is no evidence either from ethnographic accounts or archaeological excavations to suggest that rates of accidental trauma or interpersonal violence declined substantially with the adoption of more civilized forms of political organization. In fact, some evidence from archaeological sites and from historical sources suggests the opposite."

~Mark Nathan Cohen (1989). Health and the Rise of Civilization. Yale University Press.
http://www.primitivism.com/health-civilization.htm

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:32 | 3122307 Aurora Ex Machina
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Raging? No, I'm attempting to be kind. Stop projecting.

I'm glad you managed to read the Wiki article I sourced you, top marks for catching the trap; I find it odd that you think that Habilis' life wasn't full of violence, however. Or that they weren't eaten by lions, tigers and bears (for they certainly were, Disney or not). It's not as if you have any real data from that period.

Oh, wait! You then provide a quotation from Primitivism.com. From 1989. That doesn't even state what you think it does: "Some evidence" and "historical sources". Ahem. Citation please.

I'd suggest (as an ironic nod to your use of such out-dated sources), Bodies, Brains, Brawn and Noses: Human Ancestors and Human Predation 1986 [full text]

For instance, since records began, violence within agrarian societies has decreased. For an example (randomly picked from many) CIVILISATION AND DECIVILISATION, CIVIL SOCIETY AND VIOLENCE [Warning: PDF] p13 for a comparative chart of English data. Hint: it goes down.
 

 

Now, I'll repeat this warning to you: I'm not un-sympathetic to Primitivism in certain respects, but you're in for a bad time if you think that I'm either a) unaware of most of their material, b) need to rely on it as an outlet for my anger as you are doing or c) have a brain the size of a habilis.

So, shall we continue this dance? Or are you merely aping your juvenile understanding of Primitivism as a neophyte troll?

 

Note: you've still not even acknowledged the yak's milk, which is a bad trolling giveaway. Chances are, fermentation was known for thousands of years. I bring you the pentailed treeshrew. Fitting for you, I think.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:36 | 3122366 fuu
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"neophyte troll"

With 11 total days and over 100 posts already it's pretty obvious this is not a neophyte but a regular in a new skin.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:39 | 3122379 Aurora Ex Machina
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Hmm, I never check things like that.

 

Traffic driver to raise page views or just boring sort of attention whore? What's your take?

 

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:48 | 3122421 Ghordius
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perhaps just having fun? you "City-Statist boi", you...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:54 | 3122459 Aurora Ex Machina
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Yes, I saw that as well, but his sources were so sincere.

 

When I forget that "fun" =/= "funny"...

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