Where The Jobs Are: "55 And Older"

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A good jobs report? Sure, if one is 55 and over. In December the American jobs gerontocracy continued its relentless course, and as the two charts below summarize since Obama's first term, some 2.7 million jobs in the 16-55 year old category have been lost. The "offset": 4 million jobs for Americans between 55 and 69. For all those young people graduating from college (with $150,000 in student loans) who are unable to get a job, here is our advice: tell your parents, and grandparents, to retire already. Oh wait, they can't because Bernanke destroyed their savings. Oops - better luck next time.

Job "gains" for all Americans 54 and younger vs those 55 and older:

And the same broken down by segment:

Source: BLS

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Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:49 | 3122432 tabasco71
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Trying to drum up attention for his new book: http://www.businessinsider.com/daniel-suelos-currency-free-lifestyle-201...

or a reincarnated MDB

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:17 | 3122446 fuu
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I have no opinion on the motive. You will notice the conversation is miles away from jobs.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:52 | 3122447 toady
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I'll go with boring attention ho....

But I have a new commentor to ignore!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:59 | 3122486 IvyMike
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The quote is from a text from Yale University. But LoLbertarians can't handle the truth.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:07 | 3122519 Aurora Ex Machina
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Yes, and it's still from 1989. And it still doesn't state what you want it to.

 

And no, I'm not a Libertarian.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:16 | 3123544 IvyMike
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Oh dear, does that mean evolution is outdated because Darwin wrote "The Origin of the Species" in the 19th century and this is the 21st? Quite the sophistry there, especially when you don't have any better retort.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:53 | 3123681 Aurora Ex Machina
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Oh dear, does that mean that no science has been done on evolution since then, or that Darwin is still considered 100% the source to go to when referencing evolutionary theory? I'll have to tell Watson & Crick that they don't deserve their prize.

Quite the strawman you have there, especially when you can't even source a more up-to-date reference for Habilis' violence rates.

 

Or, you know, I could do your trolling for you, and find you one. 19 years later science, to be precise:

The paper begins by observing that the almost exclusive focus on violence in industrial societies misses a wide range of variability presented by non-industrial groups, in the present as well as the past. It is argued that this narrow focus represents a significant bias within many of the social sciences. The paper also examines evidence of an evolutionary basis for violence and aggression by looking at the early hominid archaeological record. The paper finds significant evidence for some evolutionary basis for violence given its ubiquity in both the present as well as the deep archaeological past. The paper closes by proposing a synthetic model combining evolutionary theory and interactionist perspectives on the inputs leading to aggression and violence in human social groups. [Aggression and Violent Behaviour, Volume 13 2008 - Examining the evidence from small-scale societies and early prehistory and implications for modern theories of aggression and violence]

 

By the way: your primitive hominid brain just isn't getting that your progress isn't accelerating in our engagement, is it?

 

Feel free to quit anytime, you might try reading this to see my goal, it'll save you some energy if you're merely trolling: relevant XKCD.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:38 | 3122353 akak
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Tell me how humans survived for 2 million years without beer. Can't figure it out, City-Statist numbskull?

That's because nobody but City-Statists need antiseptic alcohol to replace the water they've made filthy with their City-Statist pollution.

P.S. Nobody but foul City-Statists need indoor plumbing to try to solve the immense problem of their crowded, filthy City-Statist CULTure.

OK, AnonIvyMikeFischer, you troll, we get it: you want to kill 99+% of the world's population in order to have humanity go back to some fantasy hunter-gatherer existence. 

Are you going to be the first to kill yourself in pursuit of your goal?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:01 | 3122491 IvyMike
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Actually, you're the mass murderer, capitalist, which you have to do to enforce your RIGHT TO TAKE.

P.S. Questions for you:

• Is "any white person's" right an individual or collective right?

• Is "the right to take" a negative or positive right?

"[The Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land ... ANY WHITE PERSON who brought the element of civilization had THE RIGHT TO TAKE over this continent."

~AYN RAND, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:17 | 3122541 akak
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You know, PoisonIvyMike, I think you are the only ZH troll (out of so many) who sailed right into my "automatic junk" folder within his very first day of posting.  Congratulations on proving yourself utterly unworthy of consideration with such dispatch.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:47 | 3122419 sgt_doom
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'cause they didn't have violence back there, you see, there wasn't any TV to breed and promote violence nor video games, all that raping and pillaging only came after Philo Farnsworth.

(My apologies to the memory of that great inventor, just using his name to get across a nonsensical point.)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:03 | 3122501 IvyMike
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"War is a staple of civilization. Its mass, rationalized, chronic presence has increased as civilization has spread and deepened."

On the Origins of War
by John Zerzan
http://www.scribd.com/doc/62268835/The-Origins-of-War-John-Zerzan

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:23 | 3122581 The Joker
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And if you believe in bible legends, that's why Jesus turned water into wine.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:33 | 3122052 John Bigboote
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Attention clueless, idealist, young Obama voters: YOU'RE IDIOTS!

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:47 | 3122122 IvyMike
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Did you vote for Obama, numbskull? I didn't. Guess again.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:04 | 3122198 John Bigboote
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WTF? You're still an idiot

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:11 | 3122236 IvyMike
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LoLbertarian Lies, can't admit it. But still has plenty of angst in his pink City-Statist panties.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:39 | 3122376 Proofreder
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Legend has it there were lots of dazzling trinkets exchanged for the isle of Manhattan.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:10 | 3122527 Aurora Ex Machina
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Actually, it was Run, an Island full of Nutmeg.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:32 | 3122050 Finite Supply
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"Perswading"

I weep for my unborn children.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:54 | 3122130 IvyMike
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Inside every City-Statist LoLbertarian is a spell checker who wants everybody to know the full market value of their skills. Zero.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:15 | 3122259 S5936
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Geez man take it easy. What , did you eat some poison berries or something this morning.I like SOME of your points, but you starting to scare me

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:24 | 3122295 IvyMike
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Haven't you ever noticed how Internetz LoLbertarians think they can win an argument by pointing out spelling errors? (And it actually wasn't an error; Franklin spelled it that way.) I'm just giving him some grief for a consistently observed behavior.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:19 | 3125750 phyuckyiu
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Haven't you ever noticed how ghey faggorts like yourself pretend to be anarchists while posting in starbucks with their chinese made Bad Brains t-shirt? Derpistan, next exit, IvyMike's stop.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:05 | 3122205 GeorgeHayduke
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That's how Franklin spelled it in the original letter. If that bothers you, you shouldn't read many histocial texts as word spelling has changed over time.

Seek out flaws (if at all possible) in the thought behind the statement instead of worrying about the grammar meating your high standards.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:20 | 3122279 GeorgeHayduke
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Oh shit, I misspelled meeting due to a distractino from my wife. I guess the entire thought is now worthless....

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:45 | 3122385 akak
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"Distractino": a high-density subintelligent subatomic particle of mass 1.2 KeV, produced in abundance during collisions between normal online forum members and high-energy trollons.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:41 | 3122391 Proofreder
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It doesn't make the entire thought worthless, just casts doubt on the intellect and education behind the missive.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:17 | 3122268 GeorgeHayduke
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IvyMike, the concepts you are presenting go well beyond the capability of most all posters here.I've barely breached the topics you are bringing up and have been hammered for touching a toe in the water, let alone what you are putting out here.

Thanks for posting the Franklin letter. It's a nice reminder. I found this letter from Franklin a few decades ago along with observations by other people of the same time who wrote about the same thing. It has haunted me ever since wondering what we are missing in this hustling, consumerist culture which allows no other way of living to exist. Note that they did everything in their power to decimate Indian culture so that people no longer have a choice but to join the dog eat dog culture. Most folks cannot imagine anything beyond what is right in front of their eyes. As such they insult and ridicule what they cannot understand out of fear.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:21 | 3122285 IvyMike
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Thanks, man.

Funny thing is, I have got exactly the same flack from Leftist websites.

Because Left and Right are both just slight variants of one overarching culture:

City-Statism (Civilization) "progressivists" as Jared Diamond calls them.

The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race
by Jared Diamond, UCLA School of Medicine
http://www.mnforsustain.org/food_ag_worst_mistake_diamond_j.htm

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:32 | 3122685 Aurora Ex Machina
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Your arrogance in assuming that readers here aren't familiar with Zerzan, Diamond, Zimmerman, or even the ones you've not even mentioned such as Naess, Katz, and so on is breath-taking in its self-delusion.

Your real problem is you're so out of date. Here's a couple of modern Primitivist links to get you going.

 

Lose the arrogance; you're not worthy of its mantle.

 

Edit - a link just discovered. "Human Culture drove Human Evolution" - from Habilis to the current day, which might bring you up to speed somewhat. Note: "The Edge" is an artsy watered-down (and certainly monitored / policed carefully. If you need proof of this, skip to the end of this lecture and parse the way the unseen interrogator shapes the conversation, quite an strange and illuminating response to the use of Ez Pound) translation for memetic trends to the upper-middle class of America; it functions much like the RSA does in the UK.  So, watch the talk, then do the real research.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:17 | 3123545 IvyMike
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Facts are never "out of date," loser.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:07 | 3123739 Aurora Ex Machina
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Diamond isn't doing facts, he's doing thought. Naess and other Deep-Green thinkers are mostly doing philosophy / ethics, just as a head's up. And, you might have noticed, I've read them: possibly even read a lot more than you, not just picking out the quotes from Primitivism.com.

Doesn't mean it's not a valid endeavour, but please understand the difference between Science and Philosophy. I've left you a proper Science paper to read, above, about violence.

Enjoy!

 

p.s. Most Deep-Greens would find your take on Primitivism to be somewhat counter-productive. You're supposed to be proving that you're different / better / improved from the Civilisation City-boi model, remember? You're acting more like an animal with its leg in a trap at the moment.

 

"You've heard of animals chewing off a leg to escape a trap? There is an animal kind of trick. A human would remain in the trap, endure the pain, feigning death that he might kill the trapper and remove the threat to his kind."

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:59 | 3123975 ZackLo
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Facts troll? Facts are if we don't have a sustainable global capital structure...Bilions die...you honestly think that if all these people ran out of the cities to go hunt they wouldn't fish and kill everything to death? Ever heard of...Tragedy of the commons? take a stroll into your local bad neighborhood park to learn a little something about pople not giving a fuck if they don't have a stake in it. You seem to have a very short term outlook, as for some of us here we want to actually go to space, We want to get to a point where humanity has abolished relative poverty and capitalism has gotten us closer then ever before and if these cocksuckers at the fed and in the government don't get there way we might be able to see it one day.

Facts are private property is productive, So productive that after 200 plus years after we pushed the scavenger monkeys off the land, We put a man on the moon (albiet it was through tax revenue but, that inherently feeds off the productive sector anyway). Non fascism is the seperation of market and governemnt and not a bunch of greedy bussiness men and destitute poor people sucking the system dry until all the capital is destroyed.

That qoute that you cherry pick was pointed at the.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 17:58 | 3123976 ZackLo
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Facts troll? Facts are if we don't have a sustainable global capital structure...Bilions die...you honestly think that if all these people ran out of the cities to go hunt they wouldn't fish and kill everything to death? Ever heard of...Tragedy of the commons? take a stroll into your local bad neighborhood park to learn a little something about pople not giving a fuck if they don't have a stake in it. You seem to have a very short term outlook, as for some of us here we want to actually go to space, We want to get to a point where humanity has abolished relative poverty and capitalism has gotten us closer then ever before and if these cocksuckers at the fed and in the government don't get there way we might be able to see it one day.

Facts are private property is productive, So productive that after 200 plus years after we pushed the scavenger monkeys off the land, We put a man on the moon (albiet it was through tax revenue but, that inherently feeds off the productive sector anyway). Non fascism is the seperation of market and governemnt and not a bunch of greedy bussiness men and destitute poor people sucking the system dry until all the capital is destroyed.

That qoute that you cherry pick was pointed at the.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 12:40 | 3122387 Professor Fate
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"Jobs are for wage-slaves"

Your headline is correct, but its certainly your choice to either grind out an existence working for someone else with your destiny in the hands of "their" decisions OR save up a grub stake, take some risk, and start your own buisiness.  Then you can hire of few wage-slaves.  Oh but wait, SCRATCH THAT THOUGHT.  In new Amerika, POTUS hates all this success shit and the evils associated with striving to become wealthy.  Better you just stay where you are and wait for some government grants for FREE beaver traps. In the meantime, of course, pick up a few timely government educational publications such as the always popular POTUS LOTL (Living Off the Land) Guides including "Michelle Obama's Guide to Creative Mushroom Farming" and the currently Out of Stock "Soetoro's Best of Mississippi River Carp Fishing". 

"Push the Button, Max"

Fate the Magnificent

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:51 | 3125529 stuman
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I put in a day of steady, to sometimes hard, work...everyday, 5 days a week. 

And I feel GOOD about it!

I work a job where my efforts count and matter to my community. Is it always fun? No, but it needs to be done and I get payed a decent, very livable wage to do it. 

Will I ever be rich from it? Again, no...but I knew this going in and I'm perfectly fine with it. It's steady, reliable and most of the time low stress, and provides me and my family with a standard of living in which we're very comfortable and have all that we need and room for a bit more niceties and comforts.

I'd sure as hell do this, than sit on my ass and bitch about what others have and what I think THEY OWE me!

It's people who think like you that want something/everything for nothing, handed to them on a silver frackin plate, that think the world is nothing but a huge entitlement party!

It's not...the VAST majority have had to work very hard and take a ton of risks to ultimately be well off in this country. Not everybody makes it, sometimes through no fault of their own...BUT they had and still have the "opportunity" to try and succeed, NOT the guarantee of success!

What you allude to is a perverted fantasy pipe dream!

No matter how you try and twist it and rationalize it...those that do nothing will ALWAYS be sucking off the efforts and hard work of those that do!

It's people like you that get all pissy and worked up about the "rich" but never take a look at what it took those people, the time, the money/capital, the worry and efforts to get there!

It disgust me.

And sadly more and more seem to be turning to the entitlement socialist propaganda poison that you peddle.

There IS NO FREE LUNCH, there never has been, there never will be!

Because there will always be those that needed to work the field, to plant the seed, to water and care and harvest, then prepare the food, serve/cook/store the food.

You can never escape the "effort" that is need to produce and live.

It always comes from someone...and that effort has a cost and value.

I'll take an honest days work any day!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 10:51 | 3121850 DaveyJones
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They're all greeters at Walmart

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 10:55 | 3121875 francis_sawyer
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Greetings Earthlings...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:06 | 3121934 kliguy38
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Traveled to Tampa and had a 72 Y/O flight attendant wearing 3 inch heals......R U fochin kiddin ME? What in the hell has happened to us....now 60yo and 70yo waitresses busting their asses just to fochin eat........The sheep have already been fleeced......now they're being grilled for their meat.........

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:10 | 3121952 Hohum
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kliguy38,

Interesting.  Did you ask how old she was or did she just tell you?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:15 | 3121976 kliguy38
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good question.........she was asked by another passenger and piped up without hesitation....she also said she was single......also she was damn good but how in the hell coud she handle that job on her feet??

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:18 | 3121992 MachoMan
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Some people at 72 are like average people at 50...  sounds like solid genetics, good diet, and a good work ethic.

[you also missed a golden opportunity to join the mile-high gilf club]

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:46 | 3122110 kliguy38
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Hey.....she was built like brick shithouse but the mug was definitely 72.........

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:35 | 3122987 Freddie
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At least she wasn't texting or working on her Facebook page using airlines internet connection.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:12 | 3121968 duo
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must have been AA.  Layoffs there are based on seniority.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:59 | 3122165 ZeroAvatar
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The 55 and older crowd are the only ones with the work ethic left to actually get out and WORK instead of sucking the gubmint teat.

 

Meanwhile, Yunior is laying in bed in the basement doing bong hits and after returning from his 2-week tour following 'Monster Magnet'.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:21 | 3122569 DaveyJones
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Beating the heels is one thing, beating the lung cancer is quite another.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:16 | 3121986 IvyMike
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A movie about earthlings:

EARTHLINGS (2005)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:20 | 3121996 I am more equal...
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For those who believe evolution is true, this is just natural selection.  The genetic desire (do genes have desires?) to work is being extinguished in the younger generation which will procreate and pass on sloth as an attribute to subsequent generations.  No worries.  All is calm, procreate away. 

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