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Two Spaniards Self-Immolate Due To Financial Problems
First it was a German, then an Italian, and now, two months, later, the European self-immolation wave has spread to the country that many expect will be the next one to follow Greece into effective debt default. El Pais reports that an impoverished 57-year-old man who set himself on fire in Málaga Thursday, and subsequently died of his injuries at Carlos Haya hospital. He had third-degree burns on 80 percent of his body and suffered a multi-organ failure. The victim, thought to be of Moroccan origin, had worked in construction for years but was out of a job now, said people who knew him. In the last few months he had been scraping a living with the small change he made guiding cars into parking spaces near the hospital, an illegal practice that is usually overlooked by authorities. The police, who have not yet located his relatives, are not ruling out the possibility of an accident just as the man was lighting up a cigarette. Just two minutes before the event, he bought a pack of cigarettes from a local newsstand whose owner asked him how he was doing.
“I don’t even have enough money for food,” he replied. The man is thought to have been homeless at the present time, and seemed even more depressed than on other occasions, said the stand owner.
Several taxi drivers came to the rescue with their vehicles’ fire extinguishers when they saw the man go up in flames on a side street from the hospital. A few hours after being admitted into the emergency room there, he was transferred to a specialized burn unit in Seville, where doctors were unable to save his life.
He was the unlucky one - as BBC follows, another Spaniard also lit himself on fire on Thursday night, in the same city, but lived.
Another man is being treated in the same hospital apparently after setting himself alight in Malaga on Thursday.
The 63-year-old was found with serious injuries beside his burning car under a road bridge, police said.
No other details were given of that man but, according to Spain's El Mundo newspaper, preliminary investigations indicated that the fire had been lit intentionally.
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Spanish media have reported a number of cases in recent months of people facing poverty in the country's recession killing themselves.
Considering it was an identical act of self-immolation in Tunisia that set off the Arab Spring in the winter of 2011, Europe has for shown far more resiliency to socio-economic collapse than many had expected, although this is not unexpected: after all, Europeans, and especially Spaniards, still have more to lose than gain by rising up against a reverse Robin Hood globalist system bent on taking from what's left of the middle class and giving to the status quo banking oligarchy. Or so they think: the big strawman, is and for the past 150 years has been the welfare state myth.
Then again, now that Spain has almost drained its entire social security fund, and replaced it with worthless ECB repo material, i.e., Spanish bonds, will Spaniards finally wake up and realize that while they were snoozing, their government spent 90% of their pension and retirement money to prop up the Ponzi for one more year. And instead of committing suicide, or even patching up various symptomps, shouldn't the people of Spain, and all of Europe, finally address the real underlying cause of their misery: a dysfunctional government, which contrary to indication, is merely a puppet in a banker-led globalist system?
If not, how many more people have to burn themselves to death before it becomes clear?
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!Caliente!
Europe is in real trouble. This will not be the first two who choose this way out. More coming...
Harden up your emotions, the suicide rate may go up here (as mentioned below) as we have guns...
SAVE your money, save yourselves and save your families.
The whole of the (used-to-be, ex-) first world is in real trouble. Pretty much no one has either the culture or the industrial base to support the lifestyle we've grown accustomed to.
Suicide is for losers and Europeans just don't get it!
Read this:
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
-- The Rebels July 4, 1776
Isn't it time some politicians were "fired"?
The common man is a dumb brute. Many common men are a dumb mob. They need the intelligentsia to guide them, to provide passion, theory, logistic, in short to provide a will. Until that time, the dumb mob will continue to flounder hopelessly.
The intelligentsia is at the Starbucks counter
Looks like the Agenda 21 New World Order isn't working out too well for Europeans.
New World Order is europions burningn themselves while Euro princes enslave hungry african immigrants and muslims as the next generation worker drones.
Also, it is Germany trying to take over europe against the wishes of France and Britain and Russia.
Spanish college grads now work for Chinese...
this is not about Spanish college grad, but an illegal alien.
victim, thought to be of Moroccan origin, had worked in construction for years but was out of a job now
Moroccans in Spain are largest group of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in Spain....
Note to Mexicans: not too smart to immigrate to a broke country
"And instead of committing suicide...shouldn't the people of Spain, and all of Europe..."
Dear Tyler, I suspect it may be possible for you(s), as it is for your readers, to sometimes forget how far ahead of the information curve we really are; of course it is sensible to overthrow a tyrannical government rather than self-immolate, but most humans are creatures of extremely limited sensibility. And there are far too many of them anyway. So rather than get teary, or even philosophical, I recommend pragmatism: let their be a weekly self-immolation day at the doorsteps of each nation's capitol, or other government, buildings. Let their be ubiquitous free euthanasia clinics...and monthly free-style auto-euthanasia days..! Single meal vouchers for a surviving family member when a serf auto-euthanizes or visits a clinic... And so on. Bottom line: allow and encourage the insufferable masses of sheeple to off their worse-than-useless selves; there could be some serious population reduction affected here if this is done right. ;-)
As a further aside, in my research, it is the guy who expired, not the survivor with x% 3rd degree burns, who is the lucky one.
response to AlduousHuxley, of Spaniards working for Chinese)
no, actually they move to S. America
"The intelligentsia is at the Starbucks counter'
Or behind it.
if the common man is a dumb brute, what is a banker?
His slave owner
They still taught this in school when i was growing up.
Freedom and liberty were still understood by many.
My grandparents generation were the last when 10 percent of the population were named George Washington (insert last name here)
"progressives" know that individual liberty is a barrier to collectivism, and revolution is a fundamental natural right.
So this stuff is not taught anymore
The USA would be dead right now if it weren't for the Ron Paul Revolution.
ron paul forced to retire.
as well as progressives on the democratic side.
it is old status quo clinging to bluedogs and military industrial complex to republicans for dear life time of freebies from the government treasury.
so far they are winning.
Unfortunately a lot of Americans don't understand this. You would think they'd be well versed in this cultural standard but decades of government school, and...people don't even know their founding principles.
You want to fix everything? It begins - and ends - with the Federal Reserve. It's that simple.
Any "system" that has a top-down power structure will eventually be taken over by people willing to out-evil each other. So that creeping level of Statism that we all observe is not only inevitable, but also really, really evil.
Penicillin and refrigeration aside, it's not really a good time to be alive right now. I look at the Federal Reserve Notes in my wallet and am disgusted by the occult symbols they've drawn on there. Honestly I think that's what Jesus meant when he said "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." Just get rid of them. Trade them for real goods, extinguish debts, et cetera.
Live, love, work hard, do a good job. Read the Good Book, try to be nice to people. What else is there?
Jesus was a Jewish bastard child.
It is easy to be nice and love others when you are born or married to money. What else is there?
no he was not. he never existed.
I'm not a Christian but that comment is just plain ridiculous, and born of ignorance.
show the evidence then.
faith (or skepticism) is what humans do/experience when confronted by lack of evidence
Jesus' words are what Christians propagate, this act now is evident and more relevant than it's source
Good point, Ghordius. As an athiest, I have observed that proof may indeed be the antithesis of faith and faith may have stretched beyond the words and acts of the New Testament.
Jesus was Julius Caesar
His old man might take umbrage with that momzer chatter...
...or not ;)
I have always instructed my son on the benefits and dangers of public school. Learn whatever you can. Math, and science are generally safe, but beware social studies (and english). Learn what you must to convince them you have bought into their propaganda and pass their tests, but don't trust any of it. And beware of the essays when they start prying into your private life, your home, etc. Anything you say can and will be used against you, so make shit up.
My mother committed suicide due to economic hardship. Three siblings and I were cut to the wind. Today, one rebel survives, me.
See you at the revolution!
oh yea that's some good stuff
not true. vast amounts of wealth are being squandered and wasted in the military/medical/corporate complex. end the waste, stop banking parasites from hoarding wealth through ponzi schemes, and allow people to be productive again, and great things could happen.... btw, estimates place that amount of wealth hoarded by the Rothschilds alone in the tens of trillions. insanity.
elites don't want great things to happen unless they can control it and funnel profits their way.
great things come rarely from welfare recipients.
If this guy had tried to set a criminal banker on fire instead, the worst that would happen is he spend a few years in prison. He would get free meals and place to sleep, and he would have the satisfaction of having made the world a better place. It is a pity to waste a life when there is such potential good that can come of it.
Please note, I am not advocating murder. I am just pointing out the consequences.
Justifiable homicide might be the centerpiece of his defense. Sheeple committing suicide is much more convenient for the elites.
No, suicide isn't good either. Dead people can't be taxed.
Neither can unemployed people be taxed.
Guess the only solution is war or a global pandemic. Don't say you weren't warned.
"Please note, I am not advocating murder. I am just pointing out the consequences..."
please note...I AM ADVOCATING THE MURDER OF ALL SOCIOPATH BANKERS....
they are at the root of all evil which has enveloped humanity....
nothing will change until they have met their just fate.....DEATH!!!!!
The People's Kill List is coming out soon. That will make it a lot easier.
The armed guards of the bankers would have killed him before he would get a chance to set the banker on fire.
True, afterall as 'good europeans' they allowed themselves to be disarmed.
Consequence is a bitch... perhaps the wise ones are pooling together what eruos they have and having a chat to their eastern european brothers... 7.62x39 should do the trick.
Next time they neet a banker and his bodyguards it could get interesting.....
People can survive with A LOT less baubles in their life, it is the debt merchants that cannot live without an ever increasing money flow. This should tell us all who is really driving the car. Starve the Beast.
I grew up spitting lead pellets out of my mouth on onto the plate and eating what popped out of the ground on our own plots.
The suicide rate is already going up in the US, up higher than what it was in the 90s and 2000s already:
http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?page_id=04ea1254-bd31-1fa3-c549d77e6ca6aa37
Also, I a short piece I wrote on gun violence (and gun bans failing to prevent it) I found out that suicidal individuals favor guns 2-to-1 over other methods, possibly because it's quicker and more convenient:
http://laboratorymike.com/208
Source:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
This trend is vaguely related to the times in China leading up to the Tainanmen Square protest. According to fridnds and relatives who lived there at the time, the nation was facing sever fiscal problems from the ravages of communism, the old propaganda machines had worn thin, and people were tired of it. The Tiananmen protests, attended by the in-laws and some of their friends, ultimately wasn't an opposition so much as a statement that the youth would rather die than bear any more taxes and inflation. The government austerity (some of the public workers starved to death because they couldn't find real jobs) and new freedoms that came out of that time wasn't a capitulation, so much as the government admitting that it couldn't push the people any harder, because doing so was literally killing the tax base. That's my theory of the endgame here: half of Americans are net tax takers right now, so eventually the tax payers will all disappear (at least on paper) or start dropiing dead, and at that point the purse strings will be cut.
Our minimum goal, therefore, is to shore up our position as best we can to ride this out, here or abroad, so that we do not have to be the ones to self-immolate or face the machine guns out of desperation. This government is going bankrupt, but in its last moments of "solvency" it will surely try to take everything it can to stay afloat.
Sadly part of tht increase is ex- and current military.
Some is PTSD, some financial, some...... politicians like to use servicemen as photoops but otherwise.....
yes, but can they chuck a cup of something over Golum and light him up first?
Gollum? what has Gollum done to you?
He loves his precious metals. Just like Smaug. Evil terrorists both!
Compassion, please; we're all in this together except for~ 1%.
What do we do? On a national level the government is supporting a large percent of the population. Those of us that are the average working American are just trying to make ends meet, and keep a little for a rainy day. I just found out a distant relative of mine is homeless and am trying to rally family support to help her get on her feet. She is not a looser just had some health problems and as a result a financial set back. I come from a large family and so far the response slim to none. The only way we are going to turn this country around is for people to stop depending on the government and TPTB. However, here is great example of how one American family is falling short. Again, what do we do?
" On a national level the government is supporting a large percent of the population."
Error. Does not Compute. Reboot.
Thank the Bernank!
Hope and Change plus The Ben Bernank destroying Europe and exporting hyperinflation to emerging markets. Bush was another NWO puppet but he was light years better.
Gerald Celente
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Q8OxjbGYk
"People in Europe have lost everything....."
Depression, then currency wars, then trade wars, then world war.
Gerald Celente 2013 Forecast - Iran War, Economic Collapse, Unemployment, Gold, SilverGerald Celente, the great pornographer of prognostication. Good guy, but tell us something we don't already know. And lose the scarfs.
Gerald promised to lose the scarves when we've gotten rid of the bankers
It would be great if Gerald could inject some good news into his reports. You know how people are helping themselves, co-operatives etc.
His utter negative one sided morose comentary is wearing at times. The glass is not always half empty, even though I appreciate Gerald's commentary, he doesn't always get it right.
We know the system is dying, but everyone needs a little hope, no matter how small.
I do not like being cold either but warming up this fast can have serious repercussions!
How about the entire middle class of Spain just torch themselves to death? Self immolate and die. Why not? It will only get worse for Spain from here on. You have nothing to look forward to. Die.
Suicide because of debt?
That's crazy.
You can't get blood from a stone.
And there's always bankruptcy.
Always remember one thing.
Debt isn't a crime. It's just debt.
http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2013/01/saturday.html
More likely homelessness and hunger, not mere debt
If only the Washington D.C. politicians would just take a clue from these poor souls and follow suit. No fuck stick, I'm NOT kidding.............................
If you've already resolved to "going out in flames", why don't you go to 33 Liberty.......nevermind
Lots of people with guns guard the place - they wouldn't let you.....
Queue The Doors!
Pardon me while I burst into flames. I've had enough of the world and its people's mindless games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzuDXZwZtI
poet, & didn't know it.
BLOOD IN THE STREETS BITCHEZ!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRJKOtM-onM
is that some kind of cruel joke?!
accidentally doused himself in flammable liquid...nice
"You're fired!"... [Oh wait]
Confucious say:
~~~
Man who run behind car ~ become exhausted
Man who run in front of car ~ become tired
Man who get fired ~ become fired
Man who go to sleep with itchy ass ~ wake up with smelly finger.
Sorry :)
Man with hole in pocket -- feel cocky.
Man who drop watch in toilet- bound to have shitty time.
Man who drop iPhone in toilet out $500
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for one night
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life!
Let a constipated man use your toilet, give him a shittery for one day.
Show a constipated man a Chinese roadside, give him a shittery for life.
Man who torch himself -- crashes into other side.
True story. Last week I was watching my GF mop the floor and she gave me a raging boner. I shifted it to one side and told her I had a paper cut and if she could help me get the keys out of my pocket. I'm a neanderthal, she loved the trick though.
Huh huh huh hu He said Boner.
Man who sit in running car in garage make smaller mess than those three men.
Tried that. The new government-regulated cars aren't nearly as effective as something from the late 60's. Another example of The Man getting in the way.
Que es un infierno de una forma de ir!
That's a hellava way to go!
Why ??????
Human spirit is no match for the 120 year supercycle and Nature has its own timeline......gl to all of you......just remember the line that separates you from despair.......they know
Too bad these poor bastards didn't live in the US where they could get guns.
One quick click & then nothing vs minutes/hours/days of searing pain.
I've always wondered. I guess the body goes into full shock extremely fast. As in massive pain for a handfull of seconds and then blissful nothingness.
"I've always wondered." ??? Can't you think of something else to wonder about? Most people who do this are trying to make some political statement. It's not suicide unless you're nuts. It's not even effective, there are much better ways to make a statement.
If they were deep rational thinkers, would they be in these dire straits to begin with?
Now you know why there is a Hell. The central banksters will be going up in flames for all eternity. Praise the Lord.
+1 But say one doesn't believe there's a hell; even more reason to seek justice and restitution in this lifetime, rather than pray these bastards are magically punished after death. Fucking hang the banksters now in this life; then if as a bonus there is also a hell, then the bankster suffering will compound, which is fitting.
+1 Too bad lefties cannot figure that out. A little logic goes a long way.
Another thing lefties can't figure out is how we logically look at capital punishment.
We have judged the criminals deeds on this earth to merit a sentence of death to his/her body...but the soul lives on. All we are doing is sending the soul on to be judged.
There is really no other way to do it ;-)
very sad...
wouldnt this be bullish for GDP? more fire estinguishers purchased, blankets, etc
I make it a point to carefully listen and fully consider anything said by someone killing themselves. An open challenge to statists; if any of you really believe in your religion, that the needs of society outweigh that of the individual, prove it. I'm ready to be convinced.
Excellent... I'm waiting for convincing argument also.
Seems to me that you're arguing with a strawman. Society by definition is merely a group of individuals, so when you talk about the needs of society you are talking about the needs of individuals within it. Cutting and pasting an apt quote from a poster above:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."
Some men are more equal.....
Time is meaningless when the end result is the same...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOClwSPNHRg
In totally unrelated news: Spanish continuing jobless claims drop by 2, on expectations of unch.
Mohammed Bouazizi proved when people have nothing left to lose, they lose it! And it can start a spark that burns down and entire region.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2044723,00.html
Coming to a Europe near you?
Or cost you your Guns
Coming to America n you!
Mohammed Bouazizi was being continuously ticketed by the authorities until they eventually confiscated his work cart. This is what drove him over the top. You could say they regulated him to death.
Bullish for petrol demand.
What a fucking waste of life.
I bet these two poor fuckers produced more than any banker we lot know.
Rest in peace friends.
Agreed
It is more than economic. When one falls down the dollar stairs to find him/herself on the floor of nothing, he or she often finds that it is a lonely place with no family or friends willing or able to support.
Copy that ! It is a waste in more ways than one. Seems to me if you are gonna go at least take one of the elite pricks ( msm comes to mind ) with you.
The time is coming soon. It's going to take just the right snap event the the people are going to rise up against the government and the banks and they are going to drag the bankers and breaurocrats into the streets and kill them.
As terrible as it sounds I look forward to the day it happens. There's so many elite scum out there taking from common people.
We're getting close here in Amerika as well. Just let those fuckers come and try and take the guns from Americans.
Moma, don't let your little boy become a cop, there's no future in it!
"The time is coming soon. It's going to take just the right snap event the the people are going to rise up against the government and the banks and they are going to drag the bankers and breaurocrats into the streets and kill them."
Actually, they won't get anywhere near those who truly deserve it and will take out their rage on minor employees who, like themselves are just trying to get by. The only exception to this rule will be the dept. of motor vehicles.
I'm worried TPTB will use propaganda to keep us killing ourselves instead, with a race war, for example.
The time is coming soon. It's going to take just the right snap event the the people are going to rise up against the government and the banks and they are going to drag the bankers and breaurocrats into the streets and kill them.
As terrible as it sounds I look forward to the day it happens. There's so many elite scum out there taking from common people.
We're getting close here in Amerika as well. Just let those fuckers come and try and take the guns from Americans.
Moma, don't let your little boy become a cop, there's no future in it!
The true elite will never be captured or killed, just their collaborators a little lower on the food chain.
However all that is necessary is to destroy or take possession of their capital.
Rot shields, Morgans, et al are not a threat divested of most of their capital
Thats why depressions and revolutions were so good for the long term health of liberty. Upsetting the checkerboard and hitting the restart button is necessary to avoid feudalism.
If an when people finally get pissed enough to pick up their weapons with the intent to use them I have no doubt they will choose the wrong targets.
There will be collateral damage.
They key is to upend the checkerboard so a new game can start. Multigenerational huge accumulations of capital (amounts that can influence and control government) are dangerous to liberty
I think it depends on which "people" get pissed. If it's the takers, the 99%ers, they will indeed choose the wrong targets. They will go after small businesses, ZHers, bank tellers and other working stiffs.
If the working people, reach the end of their patience, the ZHers etc. go, it will be the correct targets. Banksters, politicians, media etc.......
I'm an Austrian economist; if I self-immolate will Ben stop printing?
Are you considering self-immolation while sitting on top of one of Ben's printing presses?
Europe has yet to find a cure for the Goldman Sachs virus which has mysteriously affected all elected politicians. The principal symptom is the inability to get off your knees and close your mouth. Curiously, the ability to swallow is not impaired.
Prepare For Food Crisis, Riots & Civil Unrest By April 2013
http://investmentwatchblog.com/prepare-for-food-crisis-riots-civil-unres...
I have never understood how socialist countries who spend such a huge percentage of gdp on transfer payments have such problems.
Then again, knowing the corruption and inefficiency of government. It's perfectly understandable.
ZHedgers recognize there are huge troubles ahead, but we are prepared for the big plunge, the good news is that central planning is mortally wounded. So central planning (the disease) is dying.
Absolutely, brother.
We, Americans know the 5 Ps.
Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance.
We are exerting that fundament human right and the world falls apart, we will be ready to restore liberty, truth, freedom and justice.
Signed: an American.
Absolutely, communautist comrade.
We, Chinese citizenism citizens know the roadside 5 Ps.
Roadside Putrid Pavings Poo Poo Platter.
Amidst roadside excretion the shame of Chinese citizenism requires much face savery to maintain masquerade.
Signed: AnAnonymous
V
watch it again
I'm sorry but I was laughing half way through it the first time I saw it. Don't think I could bring myself to watch it again. And, would somebody tell Portman it's ok to be a hot babe and that she doesn't have to prove herself to the fems by becoming a lesboy in every friggin movie she's in.
Spain is richer then many believe as unlike Ireland some of its investments (capital export from Germany really) are both new and could work very well under a national currency system.
Its time..............
Redenomination time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clG_1sqOsBs
@THE DORK OF C.
"Its time.............." The King...
Maybe if Bono and U2 paid their taxes then IReland would not be so skint. They are global corporate puppets for the NWO. The Irish loves those tuneless lying bastards!
Last week a person in the greater London area went to a "commons" near a major secondary road and soaked himself in petrol and set himself afire. Drivers stopped at stop lights were the first to see him afame. A horror show, as some children being driven from school by their parents witnessed the horror.
It was thought the man may have had financial problems, but the papers were quiet about the incident, perhaps to help prevent copy cats.
In any case, this is the worst way possible to kill oneslef. They must really want to attract attention to how bad they feel abused by the system. Then one can be assured the person is most likely mentally ill, very ill. Severe depression most likely.
I am sorry for all concerened, but this is hardly due to Government. As if governemnt can track each individual, give them a good paying job if they need money, tell their wives to go back to them, tell their kids to love them, tell others to be nice to them, whatever! It seriously is time to cease to blame government and or the job creators for these personal horrors. I think one sign of how sick society has become is how people make suicide out to be political or economic. We all know when times get tough, people get dpressed from fighting to make it economically, money problems lead in many cases to divorce and divorce leaves many men [especially men], broke, depressed and most likely cut off from their children. Quite simply, in this world, if you lack money, you are a non person. Any wife, family or friend is likely to cut you off and leave you to deal with life alone. In fact, if you are divorced, you will be hounded by family for money, even if you have none, you will be dogged by court orders and even visited by police trying to find out why you have no money.
Hard times, are no joke. They can chew ordinary people up and spit them out. Still, any thing but this self immolation! We have had a rash of suicides in my small town the last 4 years, in all cases they used a hand gun to the head, and in all cases divorce and family court problems were involved. In one example a local woman in her late 40's had her husband leave her to go take a job in Iraq as part of a police training program contracted to a private security firm. He left her alone to take this high paying job, paid for by we taxpayers, he went to Iraq and earned huge pay, he and his buddies used their time off to go to various other Middle Eastern resort spots, they drank, did drugs, sampled whores from many different ethnic backgrounds, and generally all went into a second childhood. She learned what was going on when he informed her he was going for good and was sending divorce papers. She also learned the life style of these contractors in the pay of private security firms working for the US occupation forces. Left alone for good, she shot herself one morning at the kitchen table. A small story, but it indicates how things can push a person to suicide.
Apparently for you,
The "war on terror", the "war on drugs", the mass imprisonment system, the financial fraud of TBTFs, the priority of military and TBTFs over infrastructure investment, the loss of jobs due to outsourced labor arbitrage ...
all have inconsequential connection to human behavior.
You mistake the proximate effects for the basic causes, and dismiss and implicitly exonerate what needs be fixed.
RODNEY KING!
There is humanitarian value to caring for the sick,
but that does nothing to address the sources of sickness, whether from the traumas of war, or the pollutants in foods, or other such causes.
Government is not supposed to take care of them. Government also is not supposed to rig the game and it is rigged everywhere. Start with the the markets and legislative bodies and move your way on down. Someone trying to follow the rules, with a patch of really bad luck, can be screwed royally. It can happen to any of us and we are arrogant to think other wise.
Aurora, Co again.
WARNING ! Smoking Causes Self Immolation (Image of burning Muslim) Now, that's a cigarette pack warning I could support !
The Jihaddist Commodian made me laugh.
While I absolutely encourage anyone seriously considering such an act to NOT DO IT....ITS NEVER THAT BAD.
However....IF....one should choose that their path is set to go out in a blaze of glory with no other options....
Please. Go to K Street and Go with God.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=k+street+dc+map&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89b7...
Not a spec of discussion on Herbalife and Ackman. Why the silence?
Waste of two perfectly good men who could have had more imagination regarding their choices.
His name was Joseph Stack.
Edit: Like Fart Monkey above me, I wish those men did not ever get to the point that they felt that helpless and desperate in the first place.
Speaking of self immolation, I just watched Lauren Lyster resign, I think, from RT...
In NH, USA, a guy burned himself alive on the courthouse steps over tyrranical child support laws and not a single mainstream media outlet covered it.
When some third-worlder in Tunisia or Spain does it howver, it's an international news sensation.
“I don’t even have enough money for food.”
Usury, whether inflicted on individuals or countries -- and it’s time to stop being shocked by it -- stretches to the murder of its victims.
These tragedies of banker-induced poverty are reminiscent of the tragedies that enveloped many impoverished Medieval Europeans centuries ago, also victims of financial manipulation.
Often borrowing money to pay for the simple basics of living, borrowers in the 12th and 13th centuries could pay high interest rates of up to 40 percent which, compounding annually, insured that the debtor would never get out of debt.
These people, too, lost their means to live, their raison d’etre, when indebtedness led to complete financial ruin and loss of all property.
They, too, were led into ruin by usurers, the latter, according to Leonard Glick in Abraham’s Heirs, often guilty of “leading the least productive members of society into ruin by encouraging them to consume beyond their means.”
“I don’t even have enough money for food.”
So steal some. Worst that can happen is you go to jail. Plently to eat there.
Global warming caused it?
I understand the powerful social statement these guys are making. I still wish they would stop it. I have always had two great fears- the first is being torn up by animals, the second is to burn to death.
With my vivid imagination every time I read about one of these poor lunatics the imagination pops on and I get to burn to death with them, in a way.
Just, damn! Knock it off! Go after your tormenters, make them suffer. At least that makes a modicum of sense.
yeah, kill a banker, turn youself in and tell the media how fun it was and that you'd wish everybody would do it because the government is doing shit about it.
Burning or drowning are probably THE worst two ways to die.
I've seen what a burning man looks like up close and personal, everything was cooked except the soles of hs feet, the crys/screams and moans of agony while on fire and after...and then, of course, the smell of burnt human flesh.
Just as blood has its own unique smell, so does charred human flesh...its horrible.
I saw a man burn to death in a wrecked car. The doors were sprung and noone could get them open, then it blew up. He was screaming for what seemed like forever, then laid his head down and died. I didn't hang around for the aftermath, (or the smell) but I never forgot it. Arrrgh.
Now drowning doesn't seem so bad, you breathe water and pass out. To me, that's a lot better than being eaten alive by a bear, or ripped up by two crocs fightin over you..
I drowned when I was 3. Only clear memory from that time. The worst part was looking around and seeing the water just above, but being unable to reach it. While not painful except for the burning feeling in your lungs it takes a minute or two to actually black out, so it's actually a pretty terrifying way to go.
And if you are wondering, according to my parents I was under for about 5 minutes, then my dad found me and pulled me out. doctors said I would be a vegetable, but nope, miraculous full recovery. Still terrified of deep water though.