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Two Spaniards Self-Immolate Due To Financial Problems

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First it was a German, then an Italian, and now, two months, later, the European self-immolation wave has spread to the country that many expect will be the next one to follow Greece into effective debt default. El Pais reports that an impoverished 57-year-old man who set himself on fire in Málaga Thursday, and subsequently died of his injuries at Carlos Haya hospital. He had third-degree burns on 80 percent of his body and suffered a multi-organ failure. The victim, thought to be of Moroccan origin, had worked in construction for years but was out of a job now, said people who knew him. In the last few months he had been scraping a living with the small change he made guiding cars into parking spaces near the hospital, an illegal practice that is usually overlooked by authorities. The police, who have not yet located his relatives, are not ruling out the possibility of an accident just as the man was lighting up a cigarette. Just two minutes before the event, he bought a pack of cigarettes from a local newsstand whose owner asked him how he was doing.

“I don’t even have enough money for food,” he replied. The man is thought to have been homeless at the present time, and seemed even more depressed than on other occasions, said the stand owner.

Several taxi drivers came to the rescue with their vehicles’ fire extinguishers when they saw the man go up in flames on a side street from the hospital. A few hours after being admitted into the emergency room there, he was transferred to a specialized burn unit in Seville, where doctors were unable to save his life.

He was the unlucky one - as BBC follows, another Spaniard also lit himself on fire on Thursday night, in the same city, but lived.

Another man is being treated in the same hospital apparently after setting himself alight in Malaga on Thursday.


The 63-year-old was found with serious injuries beside his burning car under a road bridge, police said.


No other details were given of that man but, according to Spain's El Mundo newspaper, preliminary investigations indicated that the fire had been lit intentionally.


Spanish media have reported a number of cases in recent months of people facing poverty in the country's recession killing themselves.

Considering it was an identical act of self-immolation in Tunisia that set off the Arab Spring in the winter of 2011, Europe has for shown far more resiliency to socio-economic collapse than many had expected, although this is not unexpected: after all, Europeans, and especially Spaniards, still have more to lose than gain by rising up against a reverse Robin Hood globalist system bent on taking from what's left of the middle class and giving to the status quo banking oligarchy. Or so they think: the big strawman, is and for the past 150 years has been the welfare state myth.

Then again, now that Spain has almost drained its entire social security fund, and replaced it with worthless ECB repo material, i.e., Spanish bonds, will Spaniards finally wake up and realize that while they were snoozing, their government spent 90% of their pension and retirement money to prop up the Ponzi for one more year. And instead of committing suicide, or even patching up various symptomps, shouldn't the people of Spain, and all of Europe, finally address the real underlying cause of their misery: a dysfunctional government, which contrary to indication, is merely a puppet in a banker-led globalist system?

If not, how many more people have to burn themselves to death before it becomes clear?


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Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:42 | 3125214 jcia
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Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:58 | 3125253 DoChenRollingBearing
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Europe is in real trouble.  This will not be the first two who choose this way out.  More coming...

Harden up your emotions, the suicide rate may go up here (as mentioned below) as we have guns...  

SAVE your money, save yourselves and save your families.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:13 | 3125285 three chord sloth
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The whole of the (used-to-be, ex-) first world is in real trouble. Pretty much no one has either the culture or the industrial base to support the lifestyle we've grown accustomed to.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:44 | 3125322 macholatte
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Suicide is for losers and Europeans just don't get it!

Read this:



When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

-- The Rebels   July 4, 1776


Isn't it time some politicians were "fired"?

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:53 | 3125342 true brain
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The common man is a dumb brute. Many common men are a dumb mob. They need the intelligentsia to guide them, to provide passion, theory, logistic, in short to provide a will. Until that time, the dumb mob will continue to flounder hopelessly.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:33 | 3125442 magpie
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The intelligentsia is at the Starbucks counter

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:39 | 3125450 Michaelwiseguy
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Looks like the Agenda 21 New World Order isn't working out too well for Europeans.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:52 | 3125532 AldousHuxley
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New World Order is europions burningn themselves while Euro princes enslave hungry african immigrants and muslims as the next generation worker drones.


Also, it is Germany trying to take over europe against the wishes of France and Britain and Russia.


Spanish college grads now work for Chinese...

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:59 | 3125543 AldousHuxley
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this is not about Spanish college grad, but an illegal alien.

victim, thought to be of Moroccan origin, had worked in construction for years but was out of a job now



Moroccans in Spain are largest group of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in Spain....



Note to Mexicans: not too smart to immigrate to a broke country









Sun, 01/06/2013 - 01:35 | 3126590 merizobeach
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"And instead of committing suicide...shouldn't the people of Spain, and all of Europe..."

Dear Tyler, I suspect it may be possible for you(s), as it is for your readers, to sometimes forget how far ahead of the information curve we really are; of course it is sensible to overthrow a tyrannical government rather than self-immolate, but most humans are creatures of extremely limited sensibility.  And there are far too many of them anyway.  So rather than get teary, or even philosophical, I recommend pragmatism: let their be a weekly self-immolation day at the doorsteps of each nation's capitol, or other government, buildings.  Let their be ubiquitous free euthanasia clinics...and monthly free-style auto-euthanasia days..!  Single meal vouchers for a surviving family member when a serf auto-euthanizes or visits a clinic...  And so on.  Bottom line: allow and encourage the insufferable masses of sheeple to off their worse-than-useless selves; there could be some serious population reduction affected here if this is done right.  ;-)

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 01:53 | 3126608 merizobeach
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As a further aside, in my research, it is the guy who expired, not the survivor with x% 3rd degree burns, who is the lucky one.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 00:50 | 3126543 pasmurf
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response to AlduousHuxley, of Spaniards working for Chinese)

no, actually they move to S. America

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:18 | 3125501 ebear
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"The intelligentsia is at the Starbucks counter'

Or behind it.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 20:15 | 3126090 Vendetta
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if the common man is a dumb brute, what is a banker?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 00:50 | 3126544 knukles
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His slave owner

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:01 | 3125358 Salon
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They still taught this in school when i was growing up.

Freedom and liberty were still understood by many.

My grandparents generation were the last when 10 percent of the population were named George Washington (insert last name here)

"progressives" know that individual liberty is a barrier to collectivism, and revolution is a fundamental natural right.

So this stuff is not taught anymore

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:04 | 3125492 Michaelwiseguy
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The USA would be dead right now if it weren't for the Ron Paul Revolution.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:54 | 3125536 AldousHuxley
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ron paul forced to retire.

as well as progressives on the democratic side.


it is old status quo clinging to bluedogs and military industrial complex to republicans for dear life time of freebies from the government treasury.


so far they are winning.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:03 | 3125364 Seize Mars
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Unfortunately a lot of Americans don't understand this. You would think they'd be well versed in this cultural standard but decades of government school, and...people don't even know their founding principles.

You want to fix everything? It begins - and ends - with the Federal Reserve. It's that simple.

Any "system" that has a top-down power structure will eventually be taken over by people willing to out-evil each other. So that creeping level of Statism that we all observe is not only inevitable, but also really, really evil.

Penicillin and refrigeration aside, it's not really a good time to be alive right now. I look at the Federal Reserve Notes in my wallet and am disgusted by the occult symbols they've drawn on there. Honestly I think that's what Jesus meant when he said "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." Just get rid of them. Trade them for real goods, extinguish debts, et cetera.

Live, love, work hard, do a good job. Read the Good Book, try to be nice to people. What else is there?


Sat, 01/05/2013 - 16:02 | 3125547 AldousHuxley
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Jesus was a Jewish bastard child.


It is easy to be nice and love others when you are born or married to money. What else is there?

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 18:45 | 3125917 true brain
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no he was not. he never existed.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 23:56 | 3126452 PhilofOz
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I'm not a Christian but that comment is just plain ridiculous, and born of ignorance.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 06:36 | 3126733 e-recep
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show the evidence then.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 07:12 | 3126742 Ghordius
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faith (or skepticism) is what humans do/experience when confronted by lack of evidence

Jesus' words are what Christians propagate, this act now is evident and more relevant than it's source

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 10:51 | 3126890 Crassus
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Good point, Ghordius. As an athiest, I have observed that proof may indeed be the antithesis of faith and faith may have stretched beyond the words and acts of the New Testament.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:13 | 3127531 Tango in the Blight
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Jesus was Julius Caesar

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 19:40 | 3126023 Talcott
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His old man might take umbrage with that momzer chatter...


...or not ;)



Sat, 01/05/2013 - 16:46 | 3125648 metastar
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I have always instructed my son on the benefits and dangers of public school. Learn whatever you can. Math, and science are generally safe, but beware social studies (and english). Learn what you must to convince them you have bought into their propaganda and pass their tests, but don't trust any of it. And beware of the essays when they start prying into your private life, your home, etc. Anything you say can and will be used against you, so make shit up.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:51 | 3125446 Banksters
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My mother committed suicide due to economic hardship.   Three siblings and I were  cut to the wind.   Today, one rebel survives, me.


See you at the revolution!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:01 | 3125689 trentusa
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oh yea that's some good stuff

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:43 | 3125329 john39
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not true.  vast amounts of wealth are being squandered and wasted in the military/medical/corporate complex.   end the waste, stop banking parasites from hoarding wealth through ponzi schemes, and allow people to be productive again, and great things could happen....   btw, estimates place that amount of wealth hoarded by the Rothschilds alone in the tens of trillions.   insanity.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 16:09 | 3125563 AldousHuxley
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elites don't want great things to happen unless they can control it and funnel profits their way.


great things come rarely from welfare recipients.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:49 | 3125336 Doomer
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If this guy had tried to set a criminal banker on fire instead, the worst that would happen is he spend a few years in prison.  He would get free meals and place to sleep, and he would have the satisfaction of having made the world a better place.  It is a pity to waste a life when there is such potential good that can come of it.

Please note, I am not advocating murder.  I am just pointing out the consequences.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:55 | 3125345 macholatte
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Justifiable homicide might be the centerpiece of his defense.    Sheeple committing suicide is much more convenient for the elites.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:32 | 3125783 laboratorymike
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No, suicide isn't good either. Dead people can't be taxed.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 11:37 | 3126950 Doomer
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Neither can unemployed people be taxed.

Guess the only solution is war or a global pandemic.  Don't say you weren't warned.




Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:55 | 3125478 Kaiser Sousa
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"Please note, I am not advocating murder.  I am just pointing out the consequences..."


 they are at the root of all evil which has enveloped humanity....

nothing will change until they have met their just fate.....DEATH!!!!!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:09 | 3125495 Michaelwiseguy
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The People's Kill List is coming out soon. That will make it a lot easier.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 16:51 | 3125659 Gamma735
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The armed guards of the bankers would have killed him before he would get a chance to set the banker on fire.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:36 | 3125792 Rogue Trooper
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True, afterall as 'good europeans' they allowed themselves to be disarmed.

Consequence is a bitch... perhaps the wise ones are pooling together what eruos they have and having a chat to their eastern european brothers... 7.62x39 should do the trick.

Next time they neet a banker and his bodyguards it could get interesting.....

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:57 | 3125350 booboo
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People can survive with A LOT less baubles in their life, it is the debt merchants that cannot live without an ever increasing money flow. This should tell us all who is really driving the car. Starve the Beast.

I grew up spitting lead pellets out of my mouth on onto the plate and eating what popped out of the ground on our own plots.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:37 | 3125317 laboratorymike
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The suicide rate is already going up in the US, up higher than what it was in the 90s and 2000s already:

Also, I a short piece I wrote on gun violence (and gun bans failing to prevent it) I found out that suicidal individuals favor guns 2-to-1 over other methods, possibly because it's quicker and more convenient:


    This trend is vaguely related to the times in China leading up to the Tainanmen Square protest. According to fridnds and relatives who lived there at the time, the nation was facing sever fiscal problems from the ravages of communism, the old propaganda machines had worn thin, and people were tired of it. The Tiananmen protests, attended by the in-laws and some of their friends, ultimately wasn't an opposition so much as a statement that the youth would rather die than bear any more taxes and inflation. The government austerity (some of the public workers starved to death because they couldn't find real jobs) and new freedoms that came out of that time wasn't a capitulation, so much as the government admitting that it couldn't push the people any harder, because doing so was literally killing the tax base. That's my theory of the endgame here: half of Americans are net tax takers right now, so eventually the tax payers will all disappear (at least on paper) or start dropiing dead, and at that point the purse strings will be cut.

    Our minimum goal, therefore, is to shore up our position as best we can to ride this out, here or abroad, so that we do not have to be the ones to self-immolate or face the machine guns out of desperation. This government is going bankrupt, but in its last moments of "solvency" it will surely try to take everything it can to stay afloat.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 23:50 | 3126435 cynicalskeptic
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Sadly part of tht increase is ex- and current military.

Some is PTSD, some financial, some......     politicians like to use servicemen as photoops but otherwise.....

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:33 | 3125440 Element
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yes, but can they chuck a cup of something over Golum and light him up first?

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:58 | 3125841 Ghordius
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Gollum? what has Gollum done to you?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:24 | 3127563 Tango in the Blight
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He loves his precious metals. Just like Smaug. Evil terrorists both!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:53 | 3125475 petolo
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Compassion, please; we're all in this together except for~ 1%.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:53 | 3125534 northerngirl
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What do we do?  On a national level the government is supporting a large percent of the population.  Those of us that are the average working American are just trying to make ends meet, and keep a little for a rainy day.  I just found out a distant relative of mine is homeless and am trying to rally family support to help her get on her feet.  She is not a looser just had some health problems and as a result a financial set back.  I come from a large family and so far the response slim to none.  The only way we are going to turn this country around is for people to stop depending on the government and TPTB.  However, here is great example of how one American family is falling short.  Again, what do we do?  

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:56 | 3125839 PrintemDano
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" On a national level the government is supporting a large percent of the population."            

Error.  Does not Compute.    Reboot.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:15 | 3125288 A. Buttle
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Thank the Bernank!


Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:11 | 3125391 Freddie
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Hope and Change plus The Ben Bernank destroying Europe and exporting hyperinflation to emerging markets.  Bush was another NWO puppet but he was light years better.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:24 | 3125424 Freddie
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Gerald Celente

"People in Europe have lost everything....."

Depression, then currency wars, then trade wars, then world war.    

Gerald Celente 2013 Forecast - Iran War, Economic Collapse, Unemployment, Gold, Silver


Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:46 | 3125464 Drachma
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Gerald Celente, the great pornographer of prognostication. Good guy, but tell us something we don't already know. And lose the scarfs.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 20:30 | 3126117 Vendetta
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Gerald promised to lose the scarves when we've gotten rid of the bankers

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 08:30 | 3126777 Wile-E-Coyote
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It would be great if Gerald could inject some good news into his reports. You know how people are helping themselves, co-operatives etc.

His utter negative one sided morose comentary is wearing at times. The glass is not always half empty, even though I appreciate Gerald's commentary, he doesn't always get it right.

We know the system is dying, but everyone needs a little hope, no matter how small.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:26 | 3125508 nobodyimportant
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I do not like being cold either but warming up this fast can have serious repercussions!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:39 | 3125518 slaughterer
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How about the entire middle class of Spain just torch themselves to death?  Self immolate and die.   Why not?  It will only get worse for Spain from here on.  You have nothing to look forward to.  Die.  

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:20 | 3125756 ball-and-chain
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Suicide because of debt?

That's crazy.

You can't get blood from a stone.

And there's always bankruptcy.

Always remember one thing.

Debt isn't a crime.  It's just debt.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 20:38 | 3126137 Vendetta
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More likely homelessness and hunger, not mere debt

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 20:46 | 3126163 H E D G E H O G
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If only the Washington D.C. politicians would just take a clue from these poor souls and follow suit. No fuck stick, I'm NOT kidding.............................

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 23:21 | 3126387 Antifaschistische
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If you've already resolved to "going out in flames", why don't you go to 33 Liberty.......nevermind

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 23:51 | 3126440 cynicalskeptic
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Lots of people with guns guard the place - they wouldn't let you.....

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:43 | 3125216 Snakeeyes
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Queue The Doors!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:31 | 3125303 Water Is Wet
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Pardon me while I burst into flames. I've had enough of the world and its people's mindless games.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 20:46 | 3126169 H E D G E H O G
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poet, & didn't know it.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:49 | 3125335 MrButtoMcFarty
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Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:44 | 3125220 achmachat
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...are not ruling out the possibility of an accident just as the man was lighting up a cigarette

is that some kind of cruel joke?!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:46 | 3125230 inevitablecollapse
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accidentally doused himself in flammable liquid...nice 

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:45 | 3125222 francis_sawyer
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 "You're fired!"... [Oh wait]

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:48 | 3125233 francis_sawyer
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Confucious say:


Man who run behind car ~ become exhausted

Man who run in front of car ~ become tired

Man who get fired ~ become fired

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:53 | 3125246 Harbanger
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Man who go to sleep with itchy ass ~ wake up with smelly finger.

Sorry :)

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:14 | 3125286 NumberNone
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Man with hole in pocket -- feel cocky. 

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:31 | 3125313 AssFire
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Man who drop watch in toilet- bound to have shitty time.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:06 | 3125376 TuesdayBen
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Man who drop iPhone in toilet out $500

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:22 | 3125504 ebear
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Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for one night

Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:19 | 3127386 akak
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Let a constipated man use your toilet, give him a shittery for one day.

Show a constipated man a Chinese roadside, give him a shittery for life.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:40 | 3125521 slaughterer
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Man who torch himself -- crashes into other side.  

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:33 | 3125316 Harbanger
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True story.  Last week I was watching my GF mop the floor and she gave me a raging boner.  I shifted it to one side and told her I had a paper cut and if she could help me get the keys out of my pocket.  I'm a neanderthal, she loved the trick though.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 18:00 | 3125847 PrintemDano
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Huh huh huh hu   He said Boner.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:13 | 3125393 GMadScientist
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Man who sit in running car in garage make smaller mess than those three men.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3127251 Big Corked Boots
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Tried that. The new government-regulated cars aren't nearly as effective as something from the late 60's. Another example of The Man getting in the way.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:45 | 3125224 inevitablecollapse
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Que es un infierno de una forma de ir!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:04 | 3125269 Prince Eugene o...
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That's a hellava way to go!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:45 | 3125227 Seasmoke
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Why ??????

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:10 | 3125279 kliguy38
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Human spirit is no match for the 120 year supercycle and Nature has its own to all of you......just remember the line that separates you from despair.......they know

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:48 | 3125234 toady
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Too bad these poor bastards didn't live in the US where they could get guns.

One quick click & then nothing vs minutes/hours/days of searing pain.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:03 | 3125265 schatzi
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I've always wondered. I guess the body goes into full shock extremely fast. As in massive pain for a handfull of seconds and then blissful nothingness.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:17 | 3125289 Harbanger
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"I've always wondered."  ??? Can't you think of something else to wonder about?  Most people who do this are trying to make some political statement.  It's not suicide unless you're nuts.  It's not even effective, there are much better ways to make a statement.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:16 | 3125400 GMadScientist
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If they were deep rational thinkers, would they be in these dire straits to begin with?


Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:49 | 3125235 Colonel
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Now you know why there is a Hell. The central banksters will be going up in flames for all eternity. Praise the Lord.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 00:48 | 3126539 mercenaryomics
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+1 But say one doesn't believe there's a hell; even more reason to seek justice and restitution in this lifetime, rather than pray these bastards are magically punished after death.  Fucking hang the banksters now in this life; then if as a bonus there is also a hell, then the bankster suffering will compound, which is fitting. 

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 09:58 | 3126807 Colonel
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+1 Too bad lefties cannot figure that out. A little logic goes a long way.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 10:14 | 3126852 nmewn
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Another thing lefties can't figure out is how we logically look at capital punishment.

We have judged the criminals deeds on this earth to merit a sentence of death to his/her body...but the soul lives on. All we are doing is sending the soul on to be judged.

There is really no other way to do it ;-)

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:49 | 3125237 koaj
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very sad...


wouldnt this be bullish for GDP? more fire estinguishers purchased, blankets, etc

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:56 | 3125238 Clampit
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I make it a point to carefully listen and fully consider anything said by someone killing themselves. An open challenge to statists; if any of you really believe in your religion, that the needs of society outweigh that of the individual, prove it. I'm ready to be convinced.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:18 | 3125292 koncaswatch
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Excellent... I'm waiting for convincing argument also.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:55 | 3125344 LetThemEatRand
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Seems to me that you're arguing with a strawman.  Society by definition is merely a group of individuals, so when you talk about the needs of society you are talking about the needs of individuals within it.  Cutting and pasting an apt quote from a poster above:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:19 | 3125407 strangeglove
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Some men are more equal.....

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:52 | 3125244 Sylvia Plath
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Time is meaningless when the end result is the same... 

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:21 | 3125417 GMadScientist
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Razors pain you
rivers are damp
acids stain you
drugs cause cramp
guns are unlawful
nooses give
gas smells awful
you might as well live! - D. Parker

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:52 | 3125245 Glass Seagull
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In totally unrelated news: Spanish continuing jobless claims drop by 2, on expectations of unch.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:56 | 3125250 Clint Liquor
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Mohammed Bouazizi proved when people have nothing left to lose, they lose it! And it can start a spark that burns down and entire region.,9171,2044723,00.html

Coming to a Europe near you?


Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:20 | 3125414 strangeglove
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Or cost you your Guns

Coming to America n you!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:40 | 3125800 Harbanger
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Mohammed Bouazizi was being continuously ticketed by the authorities until they eventually confiscated his work cart.  This is what drove him over the top.  You could say they regulated him to death.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 12:56 | 3125252 cxl9
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Bullish for petrol demand.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:00 | 3125256 Inthemix96
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What a fucking waste of life.

I bet these two poor fuckers produced more than any banker we lot know.

Rest in peace friends.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:58 | 3125352 cherry picker
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It is more than economic.  When one falls down the dollar stairs to find him/herself on the floor of nothing, he or she often finds that it is a lonely place with no family or friends willing or able to support.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:09 | 3125385 S5936
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Copy that ! It is a waste in more ways than one. Seems to me if you are gonna go at least take one of the elite pricks ( msm comes to mind ) with you.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:00 | 3125257 garcam123
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The time is coming soon.  It's going to take just the right snap event the the people are going to rise up against the government and the banks and they are going to drag the bankers and breaurocrats into the streets and kill them.

As terrible as it sounds I look forward to the day it happens.  There's so many elite scum out there taking from common people.

We're getting close here in Amerika as well.  Just let those fuckers come and try and take the guns from Americans.

Moma, don't let your little boy become a cop, there's no future in it!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:31 | 3125510 ebear
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"The time is coming soon.  It's going to take just the right snap event the the people are going to rise up against the government and the banks and they are going to drag the bankers and breaurocrats into the streets and kill them."

Actually, they won't get anywhere near those who truly deserve it and will take out their rage on minor employees who, like themselves are just trying to get by.  The only exception to this rule will be the dept. of motor vehicles.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:42 | 3125812 Hobbleknee
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I'm worried TPTB will use propaganda to keep us killing ourselves instead, with a race war, for example.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:00 | 3125258 garcam123
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The time is coming soon.  It's going to take just the right snap event the the people are going to rise up against the government and the banks and they are going to drag the bankers and breaurocrats into the streets and kill them.

As terrible as it sounds I look forward to the day it happens.  There's so many elite scum out there taking from common people.

We're getting close here in Amerika as well.  Just let those fuckers come and try and take the guns from Americans.

Moma, don't let your little boy become a cop, there's no future in it!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:09 | 3125277 Salon
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The true elite will never be captured or killed, just their collaborators a little lower on the food chain.

However all that is necessary is to destroy or take possession of their capital.

Rot shields, Morgans, et al are not a threat divested of most of their capital

Thats why depressions and revolutions were so good for the long term health of liberty. Upsetting the checkerboard and hitting the restart button is necessary to avoid feudalism.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:16 | 3125290 fonzannoon
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If an when people finally get pissed enough to pick up their weapons with the intent to use them I have no doubt they will choose the wrong targets.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:52 | 3125339 Salon
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There will be collateral damage.

They key is to upend the checkerboard so a new game can start. Multigenerational huge accumulations of capital (amounts that can influence and control government) are dangerous to liberty

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 18:36 | 3125896 PrintemDano
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I think it depends on which "people" get pissed.     If it's the takers, the 99%ers, they will indeed choose the wrong targets.  They will go after small businesses, ZHers, bank tellers and other working stiffs.

If the working people,  reach the end of their patience, the ZHers etc. go, it will be the correct targets.  Banksters, politicians, media etc.......

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:02 | 3125262 Jo
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I'm an Austrian economist; if I self-immolate will Ben stop printing?

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 18:39 | 3125911 Bad Attitude
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Are you considering self-immolation while sitting on top of one of Ben's printing presses?

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:04 | 3125266 apberusdisvet
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Europe has yet to find a cure for the Goldman Sachs virus which has mysteriously affected all elected politicians.  The principal symptom is the inability to get off your knees and close your mouth.  Curiously, the ability to swallow is not impaired.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:04 | 3125268 tooriskytoinvest
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Prepare For Food Crisis, Riots & Civil Unrest By April 2013

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:04 | 3125270 Salon
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I have never understood how socialist countries who spend such a huge percentage of gdp on transfer payments have such problems.

Then again, knowing the corruption and inefficiency of government. It's perfectly understandable.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:14 | 3125282 WhiteNight123129
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ZHedgers recognize there are huge troubles ahead, but we are prepared for the big plunge, the good news is that central planning is mortally wounded. So central planning (the disease) is dying.



Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:01 | 3125489 AnAnonymous
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Absolutely, brother.

We, Americans know the 5 Ps.

Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance.

We are exerting that fundament human right and the world falls apart, we will be ready to restore liberty, truth, freedom and justice.

Signed: an American.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:06 | 3125702 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Absolutely, communautist comrade.

We, Chinese citizenism citizens know the roadside 5 Ps.

Roadside Putrid Pavings Poo Poo Platter.

Amidst roadside excretion the shame of Chinese citizenism requires much face savery to maintain masquerade.

Signed: AnAnonymous

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:20 | 3125294 Father Lucifer
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watch it again

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:41 | 3125807 TruthBeforeAll
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I'm sorry but I was laughing half way through it the first time I saw it. Don't think I could bring myself to watch it again. And, would somebody tell Portman it's ok to be a hot babe and that she doesn't have to prove herself to the fems by becoming a lesboy in every friggin movie she's in.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:21 | 3125297 THE DORK OF CORK
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Spain is richer then many believe as unlike Ireland some of its investments (capital export from Germany really) are both new and could work very well under a national currency system.


Its time..............

Redenomination time.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:45 | 3125333 cardis
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"Its time.............." The King...

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:29 | 3125431 Freddie
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Maybe if Bono and U2 paid their taxes then IReland would not be so skint.  They are global corporate puppets for the NWO.  The Irish loves those tuneless lying bastards!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:30 | 3125305 Jack Burton
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Last week a person in the greater London area went to a "commons" near a major secondary road and soaked himself in petrol and set himself afire. Drivers stopped at  stop lights were the first to see him afame. A horror show, as some children being driven from school by their parents witnessed the horror.

It was thought the man may have had financial problems, but the papers were quiet about the incident, perhaps to help prevent copy cats.

In any case, this is the worst way possible to kill oneslef. They must really want to attract attention to how bad they feel abused by the system. Then one can be assured the person is most likely mentally ill, very ill. Severe depression most likely.

I am sorry for all concerened, but this is hardly due to Government. As if governemnt can track each individual, give them a good paying job if they need money, tell their wives to go back to them, tell their kids to love them, tell others to be nice to them, whatever! It seriously is time to cease to blame government and or the job creators for these personal horrors. I think one sign of how sick society has become is how people make suicide out to be political or economic. We all know when times get tough, people get dpressed from fighting to make it economically, money problems lead in many cases to divorce and divorce leaves many men [especially men], broke, depressed and most likely cut off from their children. Quite simply, in this world, if you lack money, you are a non person. Any wife, family or friend is likely to cut you off and leave you to deal with life alone. In fact, if you are divorced, you will be hounded by family for money, even if you have none, you will be dogged by court orders and even visited by police trying to find out why you have no money.

Hard times, are no joke. They can chew ordinary people up and spit them out. Still, any thing but this self immolation! We have had a rash of suicides in my small town the last 4 years, in all cases they used a hand gun to the head, and in all cases divorce and family court problems were involved. In one example a local woman in her late 40's had her husband leave her to go take a job in Iraq as part of a police training program contracted to a private security firm. He left her alone to take this high paying job, paid for by we taxpayers, he went to Iraq and earned huge pay, he and his buddies used their time off to go to various other Middle Eastern resort spots, they drank, did drugs, sampled whores from many different ethnic backgrounds, and generally all went into a second childhood. She learned what was going on when he informed her he was going for good and was sending divorce papers. She also learned the life style of these contractors in the pay of private security firms working for the US occupation forces. Left alone for good, she shot herself one morning at the kitchen table. A small story, but it indicates how things can push a person to suicide.


Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:44 | 3125332 rwe2late
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Apparently for you,
The "war on terror", the "war on drugs", the mass imprisonment system, the financial fraud of TBTFs, the priority of military and TBTFs over infrastructure investment, the loss of jobs due to outsourced labor arbitrage ...
all have inconsequential connection to human behavior.

You mistake the proximate effects for the basic causes, and dismiss and implicitly exonerate what needs be fixed.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:47 | 3125527 ebear
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Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:41 | 3125815 rwe2late
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There is humanitarian value to caring for the sick,

but that does nothing to address the sources of sickness, whether from the traumas of war, or the pollutants in foods, or other such causes.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 11:24 | 3126928 MsCreant
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Government is not supposed to take care of them. Government also is not supposed to rig the game and it is rigged everywhere. Start with the the markets and legislative bodies and move your way on down. Someone trying to follow the rules, with a patch of really bad luck, can be screwed royally. It can happen to any of us and we are arrogant to think other wise.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:27 | 3125308 Rustysilver
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Aurora, Co again.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:54 | 3125325 Monedas
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WARNING !   Smoking Causes Self Immolation     (Image of burning Muslim)       Now, that's a cigarette pack warning I could support !

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:59 | 3125354 MsCreant
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The Jihaddist Commodian made me laugh.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:45 | 3125330 MrButtoMcFarty
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While I absolutely encourage anyone seriously considering such an act to NOT DO IT....ITS NEVER THAT BAD. should choose that their path is set to go out in a blaze of glory with no other options....

Please. Go to K Street and Go with God.


Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:54 | 3125341 thorgodofthunder
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Not a spec of discussion on Herbalife and Ackman. Why the silence?

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 13:58 | 3125346 MsCreant
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Waste of two perfectly good men who could have had more imagination regarding their choices.

His name was Joseph Stack.

Edit: Like Fart Monkey above me, I wish those men did not ever get to the point that they felt that helpless and desperate in the first place. 

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:00 | 3125356 TuesdayBen
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Speaking of self immolation, I just watched Lauren Lyster resign, I think, from RT...

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:03 | 3125365 toomanyfakecons...
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In NH, USA, a guy burned himself alive on the courthouse steps over tyrranical child support laws and not a single mainstream media outlet covered it.


When some third-worlder in Tunisia or Spain does it howver, it's an international news sensation.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:12 | 3125384 JR
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“I don’t even have enough money for food.”

Usury, whether inflicted on individuals or countries -- and it’s time to stop being shocked by it -- stretches to the murder of its victims.

These tragedies of banker-induced poverty are reminiscent of the tragedies that enveloped many impoverished Medieval Europeans centuries ago, also victims of financial manipulation.

Often borrowing money to pay for the simple basics of living, borrowers in the 12th and 13th centuries could pay high interest rates of up to 40 percent which, compounding annually, insured that the debtor would never get out of debt.

These people, too, lost their means to live, their raison d’etre, when indebtedness led to complete financial ruin and loss of all property.

They, too, were led into ruin by usurers, the latter, according to Leonard Glick in Abraham’s Heirs, often guilty of “leading the least productive members of society into ruin by encouraging them to consume beyond their means.”

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:54 | 3125535 ebear
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“I don’t even have enough money for food.”

So steal some.  Worst that can happen is you go to jail.  Plently to eat there.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:11 | 3125389 Never One Roach
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Global warming caused it?

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:18 | 3125404 Conax
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I understand the powerful social statement these guys are making.  I still wish they would stop it.  I have always had two great fears- the first is being torn up by animals, the second is to burn to death.

With my vivid imagination every time I read about one of these poor lunatics the imagination pops on and I get to burn to death with them, in a way.

Just, damn!  Knock it off!  Go after your tormenters, make them suffer. At least that makes a modicum of sense.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:22 | 3125418 Sudden Debt
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yeah, kill a banker, turn youself in and tell the media how fun it was and that you'd wish everybody would do it because the government is doing shit about it.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 14:32 | 3125439 nmewn
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Burning or drowning are probably THE worst two ways to die.

I've seen what a burning man looks like up close and personal, everything was cooked except the soles of hs feet, the crys/screams and moans of agony while on fire and after...and then, of course, the smell of burnt human flesh.

Just as blood has its own unique smell, so does charred human flesh...its horrible.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 15:58 | 3125542 Conax
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I saw a man burn to death in a wrecked car. The doors were sprung and noone could get them open, then it blew up. He was screaming for what seemed like forever, then laid his head down and died. I didn't hang around for the aftermath, (or the smell) but I never forgot it.  Arrrgh.

Now drowning doesn't seem so bad, you breathe water and pass out.  To me, that's a lot better than being eaten alive by a bear, or ripped up by two crocs fightin over you..

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:51 | 3125829 laboratorymike
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I drowned when I was 3. Only clear memory from that time. The worst part was looking around and seeing the water just above, but being unable to reach it. While not painful except for the burning feeling  in your lungs it takes a minute or two to actually black out, so it's actually a pretty terrifying way to go.

And if you are wondering, according to my parents I was under for about 5 minutes, then my dad found me and pulled me out. doctors said I would be a vegetable, but nope, miraculous full recovery. Still terrified of deep water though.

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