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On The Dole And Watching The Pole: The New Normal EBT-Card User

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Welfare recipients took out cash at bars, liquor stores, X-rated video shops, hookah parlors and even strip club - where they presumably spent their taxpayer money on lap dances rather than diapers, a NY Post investigation found. From Bronx strip clubs to gay dive bars in the East Village, US taxpayer-sponsored EBT cards have been inserted into ATMs and food stamp 'cash' has presumably been used to feed another need. The Post found dozens of pubs, nightclubs and tobacco shops where welfare dough was dispensed - and presumably spent. We should not worry too much though as Hilda Solis put us straight on how many millions of jobs these EBT-card fund recipients are creating and while we pass no judgment on those receiving and using the funds in whatever they see most fit, Cato's Michael Tanner summed it quite succinctly: "This is morally scandalous, I have nothing against strip clubs, but that’s not what benefits are for. I don’t blame [recipients]. If you are poor, it’s a crummy life and you want to have a drink or see a naked woman. I blame the people who are in charge of this." 32oz sodas made us gulp; rare steak tough to swallow; but take away the strippers and liquor - anarchy.

Via NY Post:

They’re on the dole — and watching the pole.


Welfare recipients took out cash at bars, liquor stores, X-rated video shops, hookah parlors and even strip clubs — where they presumably spent their taxpayer money on lap dances rather than diapers, a Post investigation found.


A database of 200 million Electronic Benefit Transfer records from January 2011 to July 2012, obtained by The Post through a Freedom of Information request, showed welfare recipients using their EBT cards to make dozens of cash withdrawals at ATMs inside Hank’s Saloon in Brooklyn; the Blue Door Video porn shop in the East Village; The Anchor, a sleek SoHo lounge; the Patriot Saloon in TriBeCa; and Drinks Galore, a liquor distributor in The Bronx.


The state Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance (OTDA), which oversees the “cash assistance program,” even lists some of these welfare-ready ATMs on its Web site.


One EBT machine is stationed inside Club Eleven, an infamous Hunts Point jiggle joint known as much for its violent history as its girls in pink thongs.


Cops have been cracking down on the Bronx club since 2009 and shut it down temporarily in 2010. In July, five men were stabbed and two others shot outside after bouncers broke up a 4 a.m. brawl with pepper spray. The club appeared to be shuttered when The Post visited Thursday.


Club Heat, another Bronx strip club that dispenses EBT cash, is also no stranger to violence. A 33-year-old woman was fatally shot in the head outside the club in December 2011.


Critics blasted the government for turning a blind eye to welfare’s sleazy money.


“This is morally scandalous,” said Michael Tanner, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. “I have nothing against strip clubs, but that’s not what benefits are for. I don’t blame [recipients]. If you are poor, it’s a crummy life and you want to have a drink or see a naked woman. I blame the people who are in charge of this.”


Welfare recipients receive food stamps and cash assistance under the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Both benefits are accessed through an EBT card, but only cash assistance — meant for housing, utilities and household necessities — can be accessed at ATMs.


A single-person household could receive a maximum $200 in monthly food stamps plus $158 in cash assistance. A family of four could get as much as $668 in food stamps and $433 in cash.


The food-stamp program prohibits the purchase of booze, tobacco and lottery tickets with an EBT card. But with the cash-assistance program, users can blow money on strippers or a six-pack and to tap welfare dollars from liquor stores, casinos and adult-oriented establishments.


The Post found dozens of pubs, nightclubs and tobacco shops where welfare dough was dispensed — and presumably spent.


The Boiler Room, a gay dive bar in the East Village, had $120 and $60 transactions a minute apart on Jan. 17, 2011. The bar is around the corner from a Bank of America that takes EBT cards.


West Village tobacco shop Shisha International had EBT transactions ranging from $40 to $180 in 2011. The store is near at least two EBT-friendly ATMs.


Legislative efforts to crack down on sinful spending have fallen short.


State Sen. Tom Libous (R-Binghamton) passed a bill in his chamber in June that would outlaw welfare withdrawals at gambling dens, strip clubs and other venues of vice, but the measure is gathering dust in the Democratic-controlled Assembly.


Libous is looking for a new Assembly sponsor to carry the bill in that house in the upcoming legislative session, after past sponsor George Latimer (D-Rye) was elected to the state Senate.


With only one of the city’s Assembly members, Nicole Malliotakis (R-B’klyn./SI), as a co-sponsor, the bill faces an uphill battle.


The Assembly typically doesn’t support welfare reform, because its more liberal members think the measures “hurt the poor,” Libous said. If the bill remains stalled, the state stands to lose $120 million in federal welfare funding.


The Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act, signed by President Obama last February, requires states to prohibit sinful welfare spending by 2014. If they don’t, they’ll forfeit federal cash.


“The people who are stealing from the program are the ones I want to go after,” Libous said. “Not someone who lost his job or a single mom who has to feed her kids. That’s what this program is supposed to be for.”


A spokesman with the US Department of Health and Human Services said states make their own rules on EBT cards.


Some states already limit where EBT cards can withdraw money.


A rep from OTDA, New York’s welfare office, said the state does not choose or regulate which retailers get ATMs that handle EBTs. Instead, retailers decide whether to use an ATM that accepts welfare cards.


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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:46 | 3127178 knukles
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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:54 | 3127198 So Close
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Perhaps they should get one sack each of flour, rice, and powdered milk instead of a recharge on their card each month.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:58 | 3127208 Careless Whisper
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For your Sunday reading enjoyment:


Mandated Government Paternalism Will Give You More Freedom by French Economist and Latest Presidential Economic Advisor, Ester Duflo:

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:00 | 3127212's picture



The Winky Dinky Ho Cake... hoes gotta eat too.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:02 | 3127220 Careless Whisper
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"freedom to lose is not freedom" ... French economist and US Advisor Ester Duflo, May 2012

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:20 | 3127264 DoChenRollingBearing
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Why do they even allow ETM cards to be used in ATMs or at strip-clubs???   Surely there could be some way to limit their purchasing ability to be limited to grocery stores/convenience stores and only be used for certain kinds of scanned items???

Or does JPM make more money with the abuses?  <-- Silly question?


Good Looking Alien Alert!  Another picture of the nice looking ChristianMingle girl (ad) --->

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:26 | 3127274 Backspin
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It doesn't matter *where* they get the money.  If they are allowed to get cash with their little card, then they could spend it anywhere.

Stupid and broken system.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:31 | 3127283 nmewn
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Sons of bitches, bitchez!!!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:44 | 3127314 JPM Hater001
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<----- iPoverty

<----- iwishsomeonewouldpayformystrippers

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:20 | 3127390 Karlus
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I kinda didnt think the .gov really cares what you spend it on. My read is that its a vote buying transfer I wrong on this?

Or is it a .gov reputation risk kinda thing? I didnt think they really cared...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:29 | 3127408 Overfed
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They don't give a shit where the $$ gets spent. They're buying social order, nothing more. If those EBT/SNAP cards ever stop working, it's gonna get real interesting, real quick.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:43 | 3127455 negative rates
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Never ask of money spent,

where the spender thinks it went.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:48 | 3127621 Richard Chesler
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Who cares what EBTs are spent on as long as JPM gets their cut?


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:29 | 3127841 smlbizman
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i think these cards are the fuel for our inflation, that and student loans....this free money has velocity

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 21:35 | 3128351 trav777
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welfare buys a lot of lottery tickets too.

And you wonder why the poor stay poor and nobody should really lose any sleep over that?  It's not a soluble problem.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:29 | 3127411 JPM Hater001
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Meh, you just have to remember that under the surface .gov is just trying to keep everyone happy.

Or asleep.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:44 | 3127462 Snakeeyes
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Hey, the EBT card is a light more convenient than lugging around trillion dollar platinum coins that weigh 40 tons each.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 21:36 | 3128352 trav777
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cuz lord knows that before all the civil rights act stuff purified america's evil soul and made the country the great place it is today, there was NO WAY to "keep order" of ornery savages without extortion payments huh?

These cards are the legacy of '67, trying to buyoff a future without riots.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:11 | 3127954 laboratorymike
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Even if there was no cash from these benefits at all, it would still be possible not not spend your other cash on groceries, because you are getting SNAP benefits. Then what cash you do earn can be spent on what you want. Or, you can buy stuff with the card and barter for cash or for what you actually want.

Think about it, a pusher needs to eat, so he sends out some SNAP associates to do his shopping, and pays them in cash or goods for doing so. Plenty of other people need to eat and have a little cash, so they can send a SNAP associate shopping, who just wants cash. The system is very easy to abuse. Heck, I recently learned that in Michigan you can get ten grand to build greenhouses as long as you take SNAP benefits. How much accountability do you think there is for what is done with said greenhouses, or with the grant to build them period?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:58 | 3128119 boogerbently
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If you make the max (at a job), you can make and still get benefits, it can total over $57K/yr.

Exponential growth of "non-productive" Americans, generation after generation of them.

NAHHHH, let's just take mom and dads Soc. Sec., that's easier.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:10 | 3127364 oldman
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Hey Do-----

Why not do a deal with the banks?

JPM and the other 'good guys' pay for the EBT as a debit against the time-use value of all of that free money the taxpayers are going on the hook for----

A sort of 'tit' for 'tat' with one deadbeat paying for the other       om


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 20:02 | 3128128 boogerbently
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....putting said banks in charge of "fraud control" to reduce their costs.

If they do a good job with welfare, we'll make them responsible for Medicare, Soc. Sec./disability, to make up for all the pension/401's they ruined.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:15 | 3127378 Half_A_Billion_...
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sayonara to the yen



Waitrose boss: Britons should brace themselves for 'massive' food price hikes


Game's on, baby!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:01 | 3127504 Blano
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I keep missing that ad, should I be trying harder to get laid?? 

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:26 | 3127699 knukles
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Careful DoChen, look carefully.  "That nice looking one" on ChristianMingle has nictating membranes.



Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:41 | 3127732 DoChenRollingBearing
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'scool knuks...!  :)

I am married (for almost 27 years, yow!) to a hot chick who loves me!


I was merely pointing the way, as a public service, yes!, a public service to those single young unfortunates who have a high toleration (or desperation) for, ahh, exotic non-earthly species.  I suppose there IS a risk they could be eaten however.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:34 | 3127716 Chuck Walla
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Why do they even allow ETM cards to be used in ATMs or at strip-clubs??? 

If you can find a cheaper vote, BUY IT!


Mon, 01/07/2013 - 08:12 | 3129052 Umh
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Is it really worthwhile to have special ATM machines that don't accept EBT cards?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:49 | 3127745 spooz
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The confusion here is that the ETM cards are only being used in ATMs, but some of them happen to be in strip clubs.

Of course, the confusion for the average reader is what ZH is counting on.  You'll tell somebody that the cards are being used in strip clubs and the next guy tells somebody, and, well, thats the way propaganda works.

So maybe somebody stops in the club for a pop after a long day working at Walmart, needs to pick up diapers on the way home, and uses the convenient ATM that is in the bar to withdraw cash to spend on the kid.  How do you know that isn't the case? 

Propaganda sucks.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:59 | 3127776 Blano
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Yeah sure, I always stop in a strip joint to get a quick C note and immediately leave.  (rolls eyes)

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 08:09 | 3129049 Umh
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I'm guessing on this but, I'd bet there is a hefty fee for using those ATMs.

This issue is just a symptom caused by giving benefits to people who don't need it.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:20 | 3127807 e2thex
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Rein in the cash assistance program and keep the food assistance programm that pays a liitle more than $135 /month. Work out its daily rate.

Not everyone abuses the system.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 02:52 | 3127970 laboratorymike
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Why not just host the soup kitchens like they did in the 1930s? If you really need the free food you can wait in line. I know this because there was a two-month period where I did, in fact, wait outside in the snow for half an hour so I could get half a dozen eggs and some lemons. Best lesson in personal finance that I ever learned, because I do NOT want to do it again!.


Of course, I think the reason we don't bring back the soup kitchens is because we would then have to expose the enormity of the problem:

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 20:07 | 3128145 boogerbently
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That argument is why we get RAPED with the fraud in ALL govt programs.

People on Disability have gone up 40% in the last 2 years !

Right from the end of unemployment to Disability.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:32 | 3127286 TruthBeforeAll
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Disgusting. Failure (and the freedom to fail) is one of the greatest teachers there is. And plowing through failures and on to success is one of the greatest liberating experiences a person can have. Man I hate the leftist mindset so much.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:15 | 3127377 Banjo
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Too big to fail...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:16 | 3127536 HardAssets
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Boners not Bombers

Make Love not War



well at least no one got killed as collateral damage from a lap dance 

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:07 | 3127358 secret_sam
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There's a difference between "food stamps" and "EBT."  Folks aren't withdrawing cash from their food stamps benefits.  They're withdrawing cash from the monthy welfare cash-assistance benefits.

Whether you think there are ever any valid reasons for someone to be given cash or not, you should try to understand this subject a bit better before proclaiming how it needs to be "fixed."

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:30 | 3127713 knukles
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Quit equivocating and picking at nits
That's exactly what the "theys" want you to do.
Divert, discredit, divide and dismiss

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:44 | 3127739 secret_sam
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Go ahead and hire an auto mechanic to fix your computer if you like, but I assure you it won't work.

"Facts?  FUCK facts!  I KNOW EVERYTHING!" --the know-nothings

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:26 | 3128001 StychoKiller
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"I cannot lay my finger on that part of the Constitution that states charity is a proper role of Government."

James Madison

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:37 | 3128033 Cathartes Aura
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was wondering what had happened to you. . . sigh.

above the line trolling, yet again - ZH, it's been repeatedly pointed out in thread comments that EBT and SNAP are not the same, and SNAP (food stamps) has limits on how it can be used, ie FOODstuffs only, not even toilet paper can be carried off by those pixels exchanged.

and yet;

food stamp 'cash' has presumably been used to feed another need.

no. they. can't.  if men are using their EBT cards at strip joints, it's not a "food stamp" card they're carrying.  and all the "we don't pass judgement" is nonsense as well - presumably those "poor" who have "a crummy life" who need to "have a drink" and "see a naked woman" aren't welfare queens with broods feeding off the .gov now, are they?  they don't need to see naked women - yet THOSE are the people reviled in thread most often.

as to "limiting" where people can withdraw their benefit benny-bux - yeah, the convenience aspect of swiping where yer swilling might go, but as long as they put "benefit" pixels on BANK CARDS that allow BANKS to profit off each payment, then they don't really care how the fiat is spent into the economy, thus propping up the fake for yet. another. day.  which is the real story, is it not???

bah.  no idea why I bother.  I used to think this place was smarter, but re-posting NYPost front page rants?  really???


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:42 | 3128058 secret_sam
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No way to recover an account, or hey, maybe I was banned, so here I be, reincarnated and in clever disguise....

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:52 | 3128092 Cathartes Aura
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I promise to keep it secret from now on. . . sam.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 14:00 | 3129957 flattrader
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>>>I used to think this place was smarter,..<<<

Yeah. Me too for a brief time...about two days...a couple plus years ago.


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 21:15 | 3128303 Totentänzerlied
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Here are 2 fixes:

1. Guaranteed minimum income - the (less wrong) statist's preferred solution

2. No welfare programs whatsoever - oh the humanity! The Hobbesian bleeding-hearts spinning in their graves could power the whole world!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:05 | 3127517 overbet
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Or better yet give them some fucking seeds and and book on gardening.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:43 | 3127891 midtowng
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Republicans still searching for Reagan's Welfare Queen 30 years later.

Calling attention to an unidentified $100 thief is a great way to distract attention from the $1 Billion white-collar crook.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:00 | 3127215 prains
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This how the 1% get you to fight amongst yourselves instead of them

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:03 | 3127223 Salon
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Then lets cut off all welfare so we can present a united front to the banksters?

Your line is used by socialists who are attempting to cause strife and division in the opposition.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:10 | 3127239 prains
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wrong on all counts, there's no ism in my jism

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:19 | 3127257 Salon
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Everyone has an ism.
Yours is not mine

I didnt downrate you.
Someone wants to start a fight lol

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:45 | 3127316 TheGardener
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Those cards should be for tobacco and alcohol only.

That`s what the poor need cash for and could barter with for
food if need be.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:44 | 3127897 midtowng
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The Post talks about money taken out of places, but never money spent there.

What else would you expect from a Murdoch rag?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 21:30 | 3128343 Totentänzerlied
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Greater transgressions do not excuse lesser transgressions.

Your morality is flawed if it cannot comprehend two separate parties being guilty of wrongdoing at any one time, regardless of their relationship or lack thereof. This is simply beyond stupid.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:18 | 3127256 williambanzai7
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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:34 | 3127293 nmewn
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Warren will do anything for a cluck.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:42 | 3127310 Careless Whisper
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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:11 | 3127370 KingTut
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More like J Edgar Hoover I think.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:41 | 3127309 gould's fisker
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Party-time BITCHEZ!

- the Oracle of Bitchez

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:43 | 3127457 Stuck on Zero
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My question is rather obvious: Will politicians accept these EBT cards fo bribes and donations?  If not then they are denying the poor equal access to the law givers.


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:27 | 3127571 MsCreant
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Wore-in Buff-it.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:33 | 3127714 knukles
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That's Disturbing, William....


(Oh wait!  That's the picture from Bohemian Grove, isn't it?)

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:42 | 3127311 Son of Loki
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Yes we can!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:17 | 3127976 ball-and-chain
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Let's continue to blame the victims.

The global economy is down the drain because of the welfare witches and food stamp zombies.

If we repeat it enough, we might start to believe it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:18 | 3139207 Buck Johnson
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They know that 200 dollars can't sustain them for the month, so they might as well go to the clubs.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:47 | 3127183 Super Broccoli
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pornfare !

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:10 | 3127238 bank guy in Brussels
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From links via Matt Drudge ... thousands of hours of explicit porn movies are free, on the #3 and #4 websites in the world ...

Could these indeed be intentional subsidised 'porn fare' sponsored by the US government ?

The two sites are Xvideos and Youporn ...

At moments Xvideos, with its video-heavy bandwidth, this one site is actually 2% of all the intenet traffic in the whole world

Thousands of porn videos entirely free, apparently, tho a lot of pop-up etc advertising  ... movies are both amateur 'captured' husband-and-wife etc items from Facebook and so on, but also lots of commercial porn assembled from file sharing sites or otherwise pirated

The Google criminals' YouTube lost money for years ... Could these porn sites really be selling enough from the ads to make money?

Or is it that the US government and oligarchs are sponsoring the thousands of hours of free porn - just to turn global male youth into mush heads?

A way of 'drugging' the populace along with the drugs the CIA is actually selling, part of 'Brave New World' type psychological control, to get people to stop thinking? Get the males of the world hooked on free porn?

The US government is aggressive trying to close down the sites offering free Hollywood movies, like megaupload, but they allow sites with the free pirated and hijacked porn movies ...

The online porn is said to be a reason why, in recent years, girls are documented at doing much better at university and getting higher grades and more advanced degrees ... the boys are watching porn, or playing video games, and becoming idiots ... girls are much less tempted by video stuff

So it is maybe not just the American SEC regulators, but the whole of Western civilisation?

« ... At peak time, Xvideos might burst to 1,000Gbps (1Tbps) or more. To put this into perspective, there’s only about 15Tbps of connectivity between London and New York ... in other words, a single porn site accounts for almost 2% of the internet’s total [global] traffic. »

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3127249 Salon
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Video games and drugs.

When I went to school you had to pay top dollar for porn videos. I remember watching just one in college.

Video games cost a quarter. You couldnt afford to play all day.

Weed was not as expensive, but still I could only afford an ounce a month.

I was lucky I didnt have the temptations kids have nowdays.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:22 | 3127557 HardAssets
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When I was in college we bought beer and chased the many real life coeds who surrounded us.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:40 | 3127606 Salon
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Yeah that is how I wasted my time too

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:31 | 3127269 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1  Very interesting info bank guy.  I guess that's why we're fucked.  Or screwed.  Wait, maybe it should be IN DEEP SHIT, bet most of the porn watcher guys DON'T get laid much...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:35 | 3127721 knukles
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Eugenics via electronic medium.

(I'm serious.)

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:23 | 3127559 Papasmurf
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Damn you Brussles.  I was trying to read ZH and now you got me back on xtubes again.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:50 | 3128082 Cathartes Aura
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and when one does some research into which "mafia" is behind the major porn sites, clubs & human trafficking, it might start to become a bit more obvious who benefits. . .

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:49 | 3127185 Insideher Trading
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And people wonder why Obama won?

This is what liberals stand for.

"Voters - Your checks are in the mail"

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:27 | 3127271 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1 America got what it wanted.

And people ask me why I am so down on our future....

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:23 | 3127396 Karlus
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Fear not, lad. America will indeed get what it deserves. When the system snaps, I for one, would not want to be on the wrong of luck to the p0rn watching, EBT using, Twinkie eating populace.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:34 | 3127423 DoChenRollingBearing
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This lad of 56 appreciates the thought Karlus!  When the system snaps, I will either wait it out here in my bunker-in-the-sky or just hightail it to Peru.

The Bearing is preparing even more...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:49 | 3127188 Sockeye
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Destroyed from within.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:01 | 3127218 Salon
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As always.

Benjamin Franklin pointed out our Republic would thrive for a while then "end in despotism as it always does."

He also pointed out that "our system of government is made for a virtuous people. It will not work for any others"

He also pointed out when a people become vicious they require vicious masters to maintain control.

He is well worth reading.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:51 | 3127191 tooriskytoinvest
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The Fabric Of Society Is About To Rip Itself To Shreds. Society Must Have 3 Things In Order To Function. All Are Destroyed.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:52 | 3127193 Benjamin Glutton
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only bankers should get free money for strip clubs!!!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:19 | 3127260 AlaricBalth
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They do.

For example, a common expense report item for bankers and hedgies in New York is a favorite venue which is listed on a credit card bill as Roberts Restaurants. Roberts Restaurants is actually Scores Gentlemans Club. Now to be fair, Scores does have a restaurant however all charges in the establishment, whether it is for food, drinks, Scores Bux for lap dances, or rental of a private room are billed as Roberts.

This is where some of the $700 Billion bank bailout money went.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:57 | 3128112 Cathartes Aura
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the true welfare queens.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:55 | 3127196 Kaiser Sousa
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as the little fat bully on The Simpson's would say....

"HA, HA!!!!!"

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:55 | 3127199 Boilermaker
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Why does ZH post this shit?  It's so sensationalized and ridiculous that it just discredits the good contributions.

I don't get it. 


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:58 | 3127207 Insideher Trading
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Seeing as class warfare is in full swing and the US is burdenoned under crushing debt, this elucidate the wasteful nature of how the government spends the money they confiscate from people who actually work.

This seems extremely pertinent to me.


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:07 | 3127211 Boilermaker
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LOL...what the fuck ever.

Go for it tiger.  Get all jazzed up over it.  It just what the author is counting on.  Drop some completely anecdotal bullshit and watch morons just feast on it.

This is just fucking stupid.  The site is posting more and more of them as the demographics, particularly eduction level of readers, continues to plummet.  You wouldn't have seen the garbage 2 years ago and certainly the ignorant comments fanning imaginary flames.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:03 | 3127350 JPM Hater001
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I dont care if it only happened once I would still be pissed.

I will agree that the "particularly eduction level of readers, continues to plummet."


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:10 | 3127366 secret_sam
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Advertisers like being able to target specific demographics, you know.  There's a real market value to catering to certain preferences of your audience.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:04 | 3127656 The_Dude
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The Tylers are extending equal opportunity criticism of corruption at all levels of society. 


Until people start to realize that they are part of the problem, the system will never be fixed. Few are willing to be the patsy and watch corruption happen around them and not throw up their hands in futility and decide to just 'get theirs' by whatever means  possible.  That is what this country is quickly becoming.  A country of people just taking as much as possible as they see no honor left in the system and feel they are being taken advantage of.  We are approaching the point of no return and everyone had better pray that we don't pass it.

FYI....people 'feasting on it' is likely their way of expressing their aggravation with being taken advantage of.  You should acknowledge that and offer a positive action/direction instead of criticizing their legitimate grievances.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:05 | 3127788 secret_sam
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The more popular ZH has become, the less distinguishable it has become from the mainstream media outlets.

I started coming here because:

1) I could get a perspective on news that's not available from CNBS/Fox/ABC/Clear/whatever.

2) I found what appeared to be a really stringent attention to detail about "getting the story right" that's not available anywhere in the MSM.

#2 is fading. 

There's no need to make excuses for that, but why would you want to fault us for pointing it out?  Choosing tabloid headlines is part of what's wrong with other media outlets.

Does everyone want MORE of that here?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:39 | 3127869 Boilermaker
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It's becoming a Yahoo! message board.  Period.

Anyone that has been here for some time has seen it become more and more of a tabloid site with a declining quality of discussion.  It's went from a good portion of reasonable and educated commentors to the 'fringe' doomers and outcasts.  The reasonableness is gone and it's now sensationalized to match the audience.

Now, where is the Americans are 'fatties' post?  Or, the Chevy Volt...Or, the Iranian military...Or, whatever else gets the idiots whipped into a frenzy.

My god, some people are ripping off the welfare system for petty amounts.  Golly, what a fucking surprise.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:11 | 3127672 Shell Game
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Agreed.  We most definitely need to resign ourselves to the numbing facts of our reality.  Culture of theft and violence? ignore and become numb.  Ctrl-P? ignore and numb.  Perpetual warfare? ignore and numb. Pharma-pill world? ignore. Welfare parasites? numb.  Etc.?  zzzz    /sarc

Oh, except the issue that matter to you.  Fight the numbness, numbnuts.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:41 | 3127882 Boilermaker
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Yea, I'm going to really give a shit about a $60 charge at a titty bar.


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:35 | 3128030 StychoKiller
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If you don't stand for something (you know, like have some principles...), you'll fall for anything (like taxpayer-funded strip clubs!)

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 00:17 | 3128699 Shell Game
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The fact you have 4 up arrows for a dumbass response proves you're right on your original point.  touche'...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:36 | 3127590 HardAssets
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Yes, get the morons focused on 'class war', 'race war', and 'the war against terror' - - and youve just about got their full focus and attention.

Then just throw in a little 'simulated war' for them to foam at the mouth over (that is 'sports')  and they will be a stupid as a bull chasing a red cape.  - - - and ready for being slaughtered.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:06 | 3127228 Benjamin Glutton
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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:08 | 3127235 Boilermaker
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I have to watch the game now...

But, I'll read the 'Iran is going to slaughter the American military' just afterwards.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:50 | 3127624 shovelhead
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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:51 | 3127912 Boilermaker
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Jesus, who gives a fuck.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:10 | 3127950 Disenchanted
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You're right, I'm a Hoosier and I don't give a flying fuck about the Colts or the NFL in general. Or any of the other corporate sports.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:23 | 3127995 Boilermaker
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"corporate" sports.  OH god.  Whatever, man.  Like it makes a person somehow less morally and ethically sound to watch the NFL. 

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:36 | 3128036 StychoKiller
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What, you don't have any ammo reloading to do?

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 05:11 | 3128066 Disenchanted
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Ok so only the Green Bay Packers are a corporation amongst the NFL teams, but there are plenty of corps. tied in to NFL deals...especially media corps. like NBC, CBS, etc..

But let me ask you this, why am I forced to pay for your enjoyment of the NFL with my tax dollars when as I said I don't give a flying fuck about that particular circus?


The newest stadium deal to piss off an entire state is thanks to the Indianapolis Colts. The brand new Lucas Oil Stadium is being financed with $612 million of state bonds. The team will contribute about $100 million. It's the identical thing that was done for the Chicago Bears, except this time it's slightly more expensive for taxpayers during a horrendously crappy economy.

Sounds fantastic. So what do people think of this lovely plan?


``The deal is the biggest taxpayer ripoff in NFL history,'' Gary Welsh, an Indianapolis attorney and former Republican lobbyist, wrote on his Advance Indiana blog on Aug. 9.

quote from:

The NFL Keeps Doing Its Best To Screw You Out Of Your Money


The NFL is not the only league where wealthy sports team owners are being subsidized by the taxpayer. This is just as offensive as my tax dollars paying for lap dances for Wall Street banksters IMO.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:18 | 3127237 linrom
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Why? To keep your eyes off the ball.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:10 | 3127362 Meatballs
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Let's not forget the 'ball' is the boatloads to the bankers. A few pennies by comparison at the pole isn't the issue and never will be. That is all.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:52 | 3127482 Salon
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Cant we try to end both?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:20 | 3127548 Meatballs
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Sure, but I prefer to work top down and try to concentrate on the real problem. Otherwise, none of us will have the energy to move to the next level which is going to be required no matter which event brings down the house of cards. In the meantime nit picking over peanuts just divides and distracts. Keep your eye on the ball is all I'm trying to say.  

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:13 | 3127242 Pareto
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um......because the redistribution is retarded, thats why?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3127253 DrDinkus
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boilermaker, are you some sort of MDB offshoot parody?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:23 | 3127268 Salon
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No he is real.

Just mad he was sold a bill of goods as a student that doesnt exist.

He does bring up some good points occasionally lol

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:46 | 3127900 Boilermaker
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Honestly, I'm not even sure what you meant.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:28 | 3127573 HardAssets
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Boilermaker said:  "Why does ZH post this shit? It's so sensationalized and ridiculous that it just discredits the good contributions.

I don't get it.



For the same reason you sign off with the name of some idiotic 'sports' team that youre 'fan'atical about, - - its mindless entertainment.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:46 | 3127902 Boilermaker
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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:05 | 3127789 Blano
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Fucking Lions......that's all I have to say.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:47 | 3127903 Boilermaker
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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:56 | 3127202 Salon
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The problem, and it has been written about for several hundred years, is that there are two groups, the deserving poor and the irresponsible who are poor.

The irresponsible poor are poor because of bad choices, poor judgment, a tendency to live for the day and fail to plan for the future, bad spending habits, other bad habits, etc.

All you do by giving them cash assistance is you enable them to continue their lifestyle.

It is seductive to live for the moment, spend everything you have on wants not needs, to be lazy and avoid hard work that is "beneath" one. It is fun to party, use drugs, fuck without protection.

The solution is hard, but the solution is definitely not rewarding and reinforcing such behavior. We just become enablers if we do. That is certainly not a noble or morally superior position to be an enabler, although the MSM and socialists will hold up the child in front of the TV and attempt to shame those who point out the enabling. Children make such convenient hostages.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:06 | 3127226's picture

I used to be a lazy ass white boy slinking through college party by party but eventually I wised up. That life is hard. Acting responsibly is easy by comparison.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:08 | 3127232 Salon
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Me too

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:06 | 3127353 John_Coltrane
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And here's something that I fortunately discovered at a relatively young age:  its much more satisfying to actual do something useful (build a house, repair a car or electronic instrument, install an air conditioner etc) than be a pertetual "consumer".  The only real "assets" anyone has are his/her skills, abilities and experiences.  As Dickens correctly asserted:  "the best steel comes from the hottest furnaces".  No effort, no satisfaction.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:11 | 3127369 Meatballs
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Well said John.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 18:09 | 3127797 Blano
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Same here, and my eyes weren't opened until I was in my 40's, but I guess better late than never.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:00 | 3127213 ItsDanger
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Needs a picture of Debt Bro in a full purple pimp outfit.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:47 | 3127319 negative rates
Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:02 | 3127221 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I would rather see my tax dollars go to a stripper than fund the MIC.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:07 | 3127230 Salon
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Unfortunately it is not either or.

We fund both.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:04 | 3127224 bnbdnb
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See it really does save jobs.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:09 | 3127236 sitenine
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Shit! We're talking about the greatest country on earth here! If the needy need to see tits, then it is the taxpayer's responsibility to see that need met! The no voyer left behind program, bitchez! I'm sure there's an eating out joke here too...I just can't put my finger on it...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:49 | 3127622 HardAssets
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Or maybe there outta be a law requiring EBT women to show their tits to EBT guys. Problem solved, at no extra costs to the taxpayer.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:14 | 3127246 sansnobel
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The fucking degenerate scum of this country needs to be taken out to the woodshed and shot.  This is the new all time height to depravity.  Yet the people of this country continue to allow it.  Every fucking person on the "dole" in this country needs to see the shame that goes with it.  Bring back bread lines, and soup lines etc.  They need to see what it feels like when they look their fellow human beings in the face as they recieve "charity" taken from their fellow men and women.  They need to feel guilty.  They need to be on real skid row, no SNAP account or EBT card.  No no no no!!!!!! You will only get basic sustenance.  Enough to keep you alive and nothing more.  Seeing how most of these people probably have never managed any money they have gotten in their entire life well, illgotten or not, I don't really think it's a good idea to keep feeding the fucking parasites so that they can continue to make bad decisions with other peoples money just like the political whores that pander to them.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3127252 Kilgore Trout
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Does it really matter where the fucking ATM is located?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:26 | 3127273 Salon
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Proly not lol.

But Blue laws kept me from drinking some sundays when i forgot i was out.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:05 | 3127351 Dave Thomas
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Funny how blue laws are in the most heinously atheistic states and areas of the universe. Yet in the bible belt I can drive into a package store on a Sunday, and have someone put beer in my car lol.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:28 | 3128006 laboratorymike
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Isn't it the case that the most atheistic states today are descended from the old Puritan states? Maybe we're watching a multi-generational backfiring in terms of religion, but the people's nature to ban what they don't like hasn't changed.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3127255 linrom
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I bet that 99.9% of EBT transactions go through Wallmart or some $0.99 Store. How about posting this right wing, hateful race-baiter.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:27 | 3127277 Salon
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The new wedge issue of the left.

Anybody who wants to cut off welfare is a racist.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:28 | 3127279 sansnobel
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When did "race" ever enter the picture in the article above?  Your either a really insecure member of a minority or a flaming liberal apologist i'm guessing. 

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:38 | 3127599 MsCreant
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I gotta back you here. Reading the article and all the comments, this is the first time race crossed my mind. It took reading Linrom's post to do it.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:53 | 3127631 HardAssets
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There are white trash on the dole too . . . . I know, some of them are distant relatives.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:19 | 3127262 Getting Old Sucks
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Do your thing on this one.  Maybe a HO with a sign "Now Accepting EBT Cards"

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:06 | 3127354 Dave Thomas
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And a picture of Brian Moynihan with a dollar bill thrust twoards stage.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:40 | 3127603 MsCreant
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Which congress critter do you propose he use?

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 01:51 | 3128831 e_goldstein
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Barney Frank.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:26 | 3127272 valkir
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Who is going to start a petition,anyone to pass drug test,before geting any "help"from me,and other fools who still work and still pay taxes?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:13 | 3127374 Meatballs
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Yeah well, Congress killed that in a New York second when it included them.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:28 | 3127276 BlueCheeseBandit
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My moral dilemma is when does a producer become an enabler of such a corrupt system? When does the moocher become the hero in hastening its demise and the producer become the villain in holding it up?

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