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Russian Ships Park Off Syrian Coast As NATO Deploys Patriot Missiles In Turkey

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Several hours ago, Syrian president delivered his first public speech in months, addressing the internal military conflict that has gripped his country, and whose key excerpts can be found here. In it he called for a "full national mobilisation" to fight against rebels he described as al Qaeda terrorists. "We meet today and suffering is overwhelming Syrian land. There is no place for joy while security and stability are absent on the streets of our country," Assad said in a speech at the opera house in central Damascus. "The nation is for all and we all must protect it." Assad once again blamed the west for provoking and "facilitating" the rebellion, which even the NYT admits is being orchestrated by Al Qaeda, which naturally begs the question: just what is Al Qaeda to the US and to its intelligence agencies - foe or ally? But while providing fodder for the pundits, the speech was largely irrelevant. What does merit attention is the follow up to the story from two weeks ago the Russia sent two squadrons of ship to Syria in mid-December. It appears they have arrived, and just in time to offset the positioning of NATO Patriot missiles along the Turkish-Syria border.

From Jerusalem Post:

Russia has concentrated five landing ships in the eastern Mediterranean in a show of force  meant to deter Western nations from intervening militarily in Syria, The Sunday Times quoted a Russian diplomat as saying.


According to the report, the ships are carrying military vehicles and hundreds of Russian marines, and are being accompanied by combat vessels.

Remember when the official party line was that ships are being sent to assist in the evacuation of Russian citizens? Looks like not even Russia is going with that anymore.

While officially Russia has claimed the ships have been deployed to partake in an exercise to "improve the management, maintenance and testing of the interaction of naval forces,” the Times quoted the diplomat as saying the marines were meant to deter the West from deploying ground forces in the uprising against Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Meanwhile in Turkey from Al Jazeera:

NATO has begun deploying Patriot missiles in Turkey in a bid to protect the country from the threat of war from neighbouring Syria, according to the US military's European Command (EUCOM).


EUCOM said in a statement on Friday that US military personnel and equipment were sent to Incirlik Air Base in southeastern Turkey to support NATO's Patriot battery deployment at Ankara's request.


Up to 400 troops are expected to be transported to Tukey within the week to operate two Patriot batteries supporting NATO's mission there. Additional equipment is scheduled to arrive by sea this month.


"The deployment of six Patriot batteries, including two each from Germany and The Netherlands, is in response to Turkey's request to NATO," EUCOM said in the statement issued from its offices in the southwestern German city of Stuttgart.


"The forces will augment Turkey's air defence capabilities and contribute to the de-escalation of the crisis along the Alliance's border," it added.

Yes, we too find it amusing when by de-escalation the US armed forces mean anything but.

Which then leaves the only open question: when?

Russia should be prepared for any developments, as it believes the situation in Syria might reach its peak before Easter,” the Times quoted the diplomatic source as saying.

In other words, having been unable to convince the world that Iran is a terminal threat to "democracy" everywhere and the window of destroying its nuclear processing facilities now officially closed, and with both the Lebanon and the Gaza conflicts hibernating, the only loophole left to escalate the region is now Syria, where the event timeline now appears to culminate in 2-3 months.

Finally, let's not forget the US naval presence in the region, whose most recent update via Stratfor is shown below. Just need a few more US ships in the eastern mediterranean for things to get fun.


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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:21 | 3127013 Ghordius
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it's still not clear if this Syrian civil war has costed 40'000 or 60'000 lives

and yet there are some who don't notices that, that ask for moar war

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:27 | 3127031 Dr Benway
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So what do you suggest as policy then? Seems this is no-win all around. Just leave them alone and let them kill the heck out of each other and may the most brutal win? Not saying you are wrong.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:36 | 3127053 Careless Whisper
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According to that chart up there ^ from Stratfor, almost all our ships are In Home Port. Just sayin'.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:43 | 3127065 francis_sawyer
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How about a nice game of chess?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:52 | 3127084 in4mayshun
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Maybe later. Right now I want to play Thermo-nuclear war.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:57 | 3127092 Bleeding Fart
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Another predilection of doom.

I love the Bears too, but I'm hoping this is just another fart in the wind.

(Or maybe the potential consequences of this conflict are too horrifying to imagine.)

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:35 | 3127156 knukles
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Well of course the insurrectionist forces are part of the allahkaduh that appears the West started and continues to support (with guns, etc) in it's revolutionary fervor to expand the Caliphate across the entirety of the MENA region ensuring a new and improved enemy for the long war.

This is not a mystery, hard to grasp or understand.  In fact, the deep philosophical messages of early classic now repressed Bugs Bunny cartoons are far murkier...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:42 | 3127168 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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We should take away all guns in America and ship them to the SLA! That will fix everything! @sarc

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:57 | 3127206 jeff montanye
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if the u.s. had listened to general marshall and not supported the creation of israel all of this would not be happening.

even if the foreign policy of ike was still that of the u.s., the arabs would not be at war or near war with the west and fundamentalist islam would be a far weaker force.  modernity has many charms but the utter israel first of u.s. (and to a lesser degree european) foreign policy negates it, especially combined with the brutality of israel.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:41 | 3127444 One World Mafia
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What a grip the propagandists have over US news. Unlike ZH, big media is editing out "Al Qaeda terrorists" from Assad's description of the rebels.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 01:38 | 3128821 Spirit Of Truth
Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:45 | 3127173 Tijuana Donkey Show
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You mean something like this?

Or maybe Mississippi Bugs? One Caliphate is easier for the CIA to run and manage for oil supplies, cutbacks are everywhere........

(Note - not endosing the Bugs video, just pointing out the "changing" message over the years.)

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:24 | 3127561 Jack Burton
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Tijuana Donkey Show, It has been a hell of a long time ago, but I remember one drunken liberty when we headed from San Diego on liberty and ended up is some slease pit down in TJ and managed to catch act one of a real true to life TJ donkey show. Best be drunk out your mind to appreciate the performance. I thought all the talk onboard ship about these shows was BS, I was proven wrong. Amazing!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:05 | 3127225 General Decline
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The snow village that peacefully existed on my bay window ledge for the past 30 days is no longer.  Once I had heard they hated me for my freedoms (I know this because Fox News told me so), I decided to rain hell-fire down on their peaceful, isolationist heads.  It’s now as if they had never existed.  Being the victor in this conflict, I will take on the responsibility for writing the history books.  It will be the official story so there will be ne no need to do any further research.



Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:08 | 3127233 jeff montanye
Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:31 | 3127154 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Or Go?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:52 | 3127192 I am on to you
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You meen risk, yes??

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:26 | 3127569 Lets_Eat_Ben
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Not very good for a first speech I'm afraid. There was some bright spots, but overall I'd have to give "F". Maybe he'll get better with time. Mass coersion is a finely tuned skill; he just needs more practice. Does Yale have a Syrian campus?

We have to wade through a sea of bullshit to get at any semblence of truth from the media. How about we quit killing people until we have a free and open information communication network. How can we know what action to take when we're being lied to?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:43 | 3127066 gmrpeabody
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Doesn't look like the U.S. is positioning for a war..., maybe somebody else is.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:45 | 3127071 francis_sawyer
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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:47 | 3127073 Dr Benway
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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:59 | 3127098 francis_sawyer
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WTF rock have you been hiding under for the last 33 years?


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:07 | 3127113 mjcOH1
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Forget it, he's rolling.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:10 | 3127123 Dr Benway
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Aah Animal House! Have seen it but it was a long time ago.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:46 | 3127180 Tijuana Donkey Show
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As a younger man, I only saw the TV version, and never understood the briefcase gag.,,,,, Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life young man, unless your Barney Frank.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:03 | 3127222 jeff montanye
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his barney frank?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:19 | 3127261 Dr Benway
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Yeah, lol. When young I saw some Arnold Schwarzenegger movies that were censored into incomprehensibility

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:41 | 3127306 Matt
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As to your question about which course of action we should take, that presents a complex ethical dilemna. 

If NATO goes in there, they will bomb the place with depleted Uranium weapons, which will cause infertility, miscarriages, birth defects and luekemia in children for an unknown amount of time into the future.

However, by depopulating this area, rather than allowing the populace there to continue to grow, NATO may prevent larger scale wars in the future, in which a larger number of hypothetical unborn people would die in these hypothetical future wars.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:03 | 3127651's picture

And then there are the unknown unknowns.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 00:24 | 3128714 Element
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DU is used as a penetrator against armour and also for its secondary pyro-incendiary property, but primarily used against military vehicles via anti-armour missiles and anti tank rounds. It is not used at all in conventional bombs, as far as I'm aware (except maybe for a deep penetration anti-bunker weapon). Most militaries replace DU with gold or copper in shaped charge warheads.

DU is in fact far more often used as an armour material in tanks, due to its high density. But the health risks of DU are not from its radioactivity, which is actually low to negligible, but due to the fact that it is a heavy-metal that can turn into an oxidized dust.

But lead in bullets is also a heavy metal, and in lab testing if animals ingested lead oxide they suffered the very same symptoms as from ingesting DU oxide. the radiation is effectively irrelevant.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 10:13 | 3129223 Rochefort10
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It was the Dutch that bombed Pearl Harbor. Those shady f*ckers were never neutral.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:49 | 3127076 Stackers
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hmm, so deploying new weapon systems into politically unstable regions is now considered a  "de-escalaton" ..... uh

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:04 | 3127655's picture

How else you gonna bomb 'em for their freedom?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:58 | 3127094 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ f_s

Ha ha, looks like someone missed your humor...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:07 | 3127115 francis_sawyer
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In 1978... francis_sawyer went to see (among other things)...

Animal House, The Deer Hunter, & Midnight Express

Looks like someone else never made it past: Battlestar Galactica, Gay USA, Ice Castles, & Oliver's Story

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:13 | 3127128 Spastica Rex
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Dawn of the Dead

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:52 | 3127194 slaughterer
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Fuck it, "Jaws"

"I think we are going to need a bigger boat."

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:26 | 3127405 JPM Hater001
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Smile you son of a bitch.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3127254's picture


Dawn of the Dead


Dawn of the Dead was filmed at a nearby mall. Years later I worked at the Radio Shack and we used to go smoke by a fountain where one of the zombies got blasted.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:36 | 3127160 knukles
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How amy folks just don't get per my comment above.


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:00 | 3127214 I am on to you
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What is 200 soldiers and Patriots then,if not war,oh sorry me,its defence,over there in Turkey=Iran Guatemale Chile Argentina Brasil Vietnam Irak Afghanistan Libia Sudan Somalia Yemen Pakistan,the game is Risk:

Played it,and won the world,i took all the Oil,so simpel is that!

What is the hard part, is called:PEACE,a word lost through history!If it ever ment anything!


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:33 | 3127422 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Peace is a temporary condition between two wars.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:14 | 3127376 Karl von Bahnhof
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Hmm... just notced this too. Not very usual, maybe because those pesky "moskits" and "granits".

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:38 | 3127439 TPTB_r_TBTF
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I canT wait to find out if those things work.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:16 | 3127381 jonjon831983
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Noticed that last time as well... but then I'd assume battle groups do carry a lot of personnel and material.  Maybe they came back a little light.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:28 | 3127574 Wile-E-Coyote
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Yeah you would almost think they are afraid of the new Chinese ballistic anti ship missile Dong-Feng 21.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 23:56 | 3128677 Element
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"According to that chart up there ^ from Stratfor, almost all our ships are In Home Port. Just sayin'."


What we can be sure of is the Russian, Chinese, Syrians and Iranians are all swapping info back and forth between them, and all know exactly where the US navy is, and also what each individual ship is doing, at every moment. If the US wanted to intervene they would have solid indications of it in advance. It appears they wont be. They've given up trying to intimidate Damascus with carrier air power and missiles. That didn't work and it isn't going to work. Lavrov said it very plainly about three weeks back, that the west has zero stomach for intervening directly in Syria. At best the foreign-backed rebels will get indirect support only.

It remains to be seen if the US is actually wanting to avoid a serious spiraling regional conflict. We'll soon see, from the disposition of US and NATO troops in Jordan and Turkey. Lebanon is waiting to see which way the wind blows and Iraq will be hoping like hell it defuses.

The fly in the ointment, as always, is Saudi extremism and their protracted funding of Al Qaeda. For which their leadership should already have been overthrown, and bought up on charges, and hung until dead. And if they get into a conflict with Iran and loose their cash-cow to a sustained missile barrage of epic proportions, that almost certainly will happen to them thereafter, in one form or another.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:49 | 3127077 Winston Churchill
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That line in the sand just bacame a trench.

Russia just raised a middle finger to the US.

Which means the Chinese are ready too.

Interesting times to die in.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:55 | 3127088 Ghordius
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it's still a bit more complicated than that

btw, trenches are often a good sign, it often means less blood being spilled

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:58 | 3127093 Winston Churchill
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Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:01 | 3127101 Ghordius
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North and South Korea; Cyprus; Kashmere region; demilitarized zones

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:09 | 3127117 Winston Churchill
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Gallipoli,Atlantic Wall,Leningrad,Stalingad etc etc

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:14 | 3127129 Spastica Rex
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Half full, or half empty?

Only you can decide.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:32 | 3127585 Wile-E-Coyote
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Ummm are you familiar with WWI.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:23 | 3127691 Winston Churchill
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History is an interest of mine.Real history,not the sanitised revisionist variety

currently pedalled about nowadays.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:01 | 3127104 in4mayshun
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Not so fast- it appears that Russia is ready to acquiesce to the US/UK western banking syndicate and form some type of financial union. Which basically means it is very likely Russia is ready to bow down to their new Globalist masters.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:11 | 3127124 Winston Churchill
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Source ?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:37 | 3127162 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Don't be surprised. Larry Summers visits the Kremlin all the time. The reason everything happens so damned slowly is because it has been planned for decades and they have learned not to spook the sheep until slaughter.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:49 | 3127189 Tijuana Donkey Show
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They got some help from Temple Grandin on the design for the sheeple. Ipads calm sheeple suffering on their way to the slaugher floor.



- Posted from my IPad

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:09 | 3127669 in4mayshun
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"Russian representatives admit that strong measures must be taken to protect the continued viability of the Euro, admitting that a collapse would have dire consequences for Russia's economy"

No single country or President is bigger than the NWO. In the end,they will all fall in line. Also interesting to see Russian commentators jumping on the anti-gun bandwagon recently...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 21:58 | 3128403 Winston Churchill
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Do you read your own comments ?

Didn't t see petro dollar being mentioned as  a concern for them at all.

Their only concern is being paid for exports to the EU.

Also Russian commentatators were pro gun rights,not agin them,

Stick to the facts not erroneus suppositions.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:35 | 3127595 Wile-E-Coyote
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Putin bow to the West............... dream on.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 04:01 | 3128752 Element
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@ Winston Churchill


RT reported that:

"... Assad stated that his government had not yet found any partners willing to back a solution to Syria’s ongoing crisis. However, he did thank Russia, China and Iran for not “interfering in Syrian affairs.”

He also criticized the Syrian opposition, referring to the rebels as “Western puppets” and “terrorists affiliated with al-Qaeda.” ..."

Bit of a second-hand reporting, but he's thanking them for not going against Damascus or making the situation worse. My guess is things will consolidate behind Damascus from here and more support will inevitably come for the Assad govt to make space for reforms to occur. Many people now realize this "al-qaeda" is a euphemism for the long-term but periodic US-Saudi-backed nexus with fostered Islamic radicals, to achieve crass geopolitical aims.

More likely the Chinese will greatly increase all sorts of support to the Iranians, who will then provide more support to Damascus. Iran has already directly stated that Turkey is going to pay a price for continuing to channel support to the 'rebels' in Syria. So some form of payback is on the way for Turkey. It remains to be seen what is done to Jordan, Saudis and gulf states for supporting this bastardry.

What he said:

"… Syria has always been, and will remain, a free and sovereign country that won't accept submission and tutelage. That is why it has been a nuisance for the West, so they sought to take advantage of internal events to drive Syria out of the political equation in the region to get rid of this irksome problem and to strike at the culture of resistance and turn us into subordinates. But the West is not the entire international community, as there are world countries, namely Russia, China and the BRICS countries, and many other countries which won't agree to meddling in the internal affairs of countries and destabilizing the region based on their principles, interests and care for the people's freedom in determining their destiny. To those countries I extend my thanks, namely to Russia, China and Iran, and to all those who stood by the Syrian people to determine their own destiny. …"

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 02:10 | 3128829 cranky-old-geezer
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Russia just raised a middle finger to the US.

Which means the Chinese are ready too.

Yep, that's how I see it.  Last 12 yrs Russia and China have watched rapidly increasing US imperialism in the ME, and have been using that time to build up their military strength.  Now they feel ready to take on US in that region, and their alliance is pretty strong, pledging their mutual defense of Iran some time ago.

I still believe Iran will be the big one where all hell breaks loose if Israhell or US foolishly decide to invade, and they see what's happening in Syria as US buildup for it, so they have to intervene now.

I believe we're wacthing the buildup to thermonuclear WWIII.   I cant imagine ANA holding that card back much longer when "nuclear" is their middle name.

We live in history making times.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:50 | 3127080 Ghordius
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the "natural" way to solve it would involve serious talks between Russia and Turkey - without Israeli, US, UK and France's influence

those are the two players that "naturally" wish for a peaceful Syria because an unpeaceful one is against their interests


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:22 | 3127267 Dr Benway
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Yeah agreed. But I'm not sure that would actually stop the violence.

I think the broader problem is that in many of these countries it is a matter of the lesser evil: dictatorship or fundamentalism/sectarianism.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:25 | 3127401 WTFUD
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. . .broader problem. . . many of these countries. . . lesser evil. . . Doc you talking Republicans or Dems?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:07 | 3127524 Dr Benway
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I'm talking simple reality. In many of these countries, dictatorship was the only thing repressing sectarian violence and fundamentalism, as the disappointing results of the Arab Spring shows.

So if you are a democracy-loving moderate young student in one of these countries, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Neither side is palatable.

But hey, why engage in nuanced debate here on ZH? It's easier to blather some stuff about how everything is the fault of the US joos and NWO and downvote. I swear this site has some of the smartest people in the world, and at the same time some of the most brainless automatons.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 04:22 | 3128940 Ghordius
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+1 and often it depends on the subject - some commentators have incredibly smart comments on some matters and incredibly stupid ones on others

some of it is explainable with a certain "infantilization" of society (which historically goes hand in hand with individualism) , but most of it is related to lack of responsability, and a focus on narrow subjects on the workplace and in private life

oh, and of course the social media "up/down-voting" leads to an interesting bias

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:44 | 3127313 kliguy38
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Unfortunately you assume they are acting in their country's best interests......and not their "own"

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:56 | 3127203 Banjo
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Assad once again blamed the west for provoking and "facilitating" the rebellion, which even the NYT admits is being orchestrated by Al Qaeda, which naturally begs the question: just what is Al Qaeda to the US and to its intelligence agencies - foe or ally?


Syria seemed to be fine for years until "attention" got turned to them. Regime change and all that.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:53 | 3127324 Matt
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After their victory in Libya, the jihadists need somewhere new to continue their holy war. Since the goal is to die ina holy war, as long as there is one jihadist alive, there will be a holy war. However, they continue to recruit more members as they go along, insuring the jihad never ends.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:36 | 3127598 AgAu_man
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Perpetual War for Perpetual... 'Virtue'?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:13 | 3127243 booboo
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How about the UN, is this not what much of our plundered wealth is suppose to go to. A feckless mob of Blue Helmeted "peace keepers." For fucks sake, if the Blue Helmets can't prove themselves as the keepers of the peace in little ol Syria the what hopes do they have. Wait, I know, if there is lttle expended and destroyed hardware how will Lockeed Martin make their nut?

I remember when the UN was sent everywhere in the 70's and 80's to stand in the middle, note how little their services are being requested of late. Thats right mother fuckers, you can't make real money, squander lives and surgically strike a shoe shine boy with the dipshit refs running around.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:04 | 3127510 TPTB_r_TBTF
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The UN is doing what the British Masters want.


When the UN was formed in 1945, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom had three votes. As the UK decolonized countries, they were made voting members of the United Nations.


By the end of 1989, over 41 countries had been de-colonized. Every time a country was spun off, it received a vote at the UN and at any of the other international bodies they joined.


Do the British still rule? Yes. The U.S. has one vote at the UN while the British have the potential of 54 votes. They have 45 at the IMF, 44 at the World Bank, 46 at the World Trade Organization, 2 in the Group of eight heads of State, 2 in the Group of Seven Finance Ministers, 28 at the International Organization of Security Commission, and 38 at the Bank for International Settlements.


Do the British still rule?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:47 | 3127618 AgAu_man
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Recall... "I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of The Empire upon which the sun never sets. Whoever controls the money supply of The Empire, controls it. And I control the Money Supply." - Baron Nathan Rothschild.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 00:54 | 3128775 Element
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Former colonial countries do not vote as a block, the British have no say in it, though some do struggle to be free of the apron strings.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:00 | 3127340 ISEEIT
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Maybe if Assad changed his name to Lincoln we could all comprehend this somewhat better?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:22 | 3127556 Dr Benway
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C'mon son. Do you really think Assad is some sort of saint and not a brutal despot? Or do you just troll and take the opposite side of MSM on every topic without reflection?

Assad is a dictator. The Al Qaeda rebels are definitely no better. Syrian moderates, watch rock meet hard place.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:11 | 3127671's picture

C'mon son. Do you really think Lincoln was some sort of saint and not a brutal despot?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:40 | 3127711 Dr Benway
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edit2: nm i cant even be bothered. as usual, you post nothing but sophistry. for once it would be great if you could actually address the topic and points made. but this time i cant be bothered. you are a oneliner pony.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 19:25 | 3127996's picture


i cant even be bothered


You were bothered enough to reply with a non-reply. Oh, and enjoy this second line while you're at it.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 02:24 | 3128854 cranky-old-geezer
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Do you really think Assad is some sort of saint and not a brutal despot?

If that's justification for US-sponsored regime change, we should be invading North Korea and lots of other little brutal dicatorships.

Nope, it's just US doing Israhell's bidding.

God how I'd love seeing Russia turn that shitty little strip if desert to glass and ash.  Maybe I will. 

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 03:48 | 3128919 Western
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...lotsa "Dr." usernames these days..

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:31 | 3127579 Freddie
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Obam may be a muslim (terrorist) but he is our muslim (terrorist).  USSA!  USSA!  EBT! HFT!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:22 | 3127017 bank guy in Brussels
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Russia has placed its super-effective high-speed Iskander missiles in Syria

Iskander vs Patriot, as Pepe Escobar says in Asia Times Online

Even the Israeli journalists are admitting Assad can last a long time, he might even win, tho it will be bloody

One of Assad's tactics is letting the US-backed 'rebels' control big stretches of territory, so the locals can see what thugs and murderers they are ... helps solidify support for Assad over the mercenaries backed by the West

Fascinating coverage of Syria on Asia Times Online, here from Pepe Escobar

and Victor Kotsev

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:03 | 3127107 DoChenRollingBearing
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AND I recall all of the shrill "Iran gets struck by XXX" from last Fall.  Pre-election attack.  Post-election attack.  New moon attack.  THREE carriers there, oh no!!!!!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:09 | 3127119 Variance Doc
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+1 on the Asia times coverage.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:37 | 3127247 earleflorida
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great links :-)) thanks

al Qaeda has many a offspring today. The warbling infectious sirocco forever stalling in Libya, has Egypt in a maelstrom?  Why Qaddafi [  ]?  Was it his gold? Or was it that his ideological political programs of a better society were working-- not only for Libya but for his surrounding African neighbors? We'll never know thanks to Obama via 'Hillary the Useless'!

These are terrorist groups we've heard little about in the MSM... that are coming of age!

Note: There are many more... their [all] seed was first planted [hybrid & spliced?] in Afghanistan by our 'CFR' via the USSA [CIA/FBI] !

Ps. Turkey wants into the G-20, at any cost! 

Ps2. Turkish 'Armenian Genocide'... should explain the hard-feelings the turks have about humanitarian concerns?

Ps3. after Syria, its Lebanon and Egypt-- while Israel picks the Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights clean.    

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:34 | 3127591 Freddie
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Haysus Christo! 

I go to link our friend in Brussels posts and they have *****ng C-I-A- banner ads for jobs. 

If I wanted to work for Langely - I would go work at Google or FarceBook with Suckerberg or maybe Oracle to mop the floors on Larry Ellison's 600 foot yachts. 

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 02:10 | 3128818 Element
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If Iskander are present (which is a big 'if'); the navigation during flight is inertial and probably GLONASS as well, which the Russians have been rapidly further developing and deploying. But terminal homing is optical/IR (probably with laser designation also). Range is at least 450km, and a variant with about 600km range was under development in 2005, and expected to be fielded in 2010-2011. Has a large warhead ~800kg. Accuracy is 5 to 7 meters and can pull up to 30Gs in maneuvering to evade an anti-ballistic missile system.

But more importantly it's likely Iskander has an anti-ship capability as well, and the US Navy would need to presume that it does, which would require carriers to stand-off at ranges that would render naval air power mostly ineffective. So >if< Iskander is present it's a serious warning of Russian commitment.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:23 | 3127019 The Navigator
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The Southern hemisphere should be safer if/when WW3, but there's no place to hide from the insanity.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:52 | 3127083 lolmao500
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True that as not much of the Southern Hemisphere would be nuked.

The biggest threat to humans following WW3 wouldn't be the nukes... it would be the nuclear reactors going kaboom. Funny how all those nuclear war is winnable theoreticians never included that little tidbit of information into their calculations.

Belgium = 7 reactors

Canada = 17 reactors (+3 on the way)

China = 15 reactors (+25 on the way)

Czech Republic = 6 reactors

France = 58 reactors (+1 on the way)

Germany = 9 reactors

Hungary = 4 reactors

India = 20 reactors (+7 on the way)

Japan = 55 reactors (+3 on the way)

Pakistan = 3 reactors (+2 on the way)

Romania = 2 reactors

Russia = 33 reactors (+10 on the way)

Slovakia = 4 reactors (+2 on the way)

Slovenia = 1 reactor

South Korea = 23 reactors (+4 on the way)

Spain = 8 reactors

Sweden = 10 reactors

Switzerland = 5 reactors

Taiwan = 6 reactors (+2 on the way)

Ukraine = 15 reactors

UK = 16 reactors

US = 104 reactors (+1 on the way)

Yep the Northern Hemisphere is FUCKED for the next few million years if WW3 breaks out.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:59 | 3127099 DoChenRollingBearing
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Nice food for thought.  + 1

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:18 | 3127134 achmachat
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there's no need for WW3 for the Northern Hemisphere to be FUCKED for the next few million years. All it needs is any reason, be it natural economic or otherwise, that there's no staff to maintain any one of those 481 reactors for a period of time...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:25 | 3127144 Tango in the Blight
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Then the radiation will spread over the Southern Hemisphere as well (like in Nevil Shute's On The Beach) and the whole world is fux0red.

The stupid species known as the human race deserves everything that is coming to them.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:27 | 3127146 lolmao500
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Except it doesn't work that way. But yeah all that radiation would screw nature and it would affect the whole planet.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:37 | 3127299 Tijuana Donkey Show
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So.... my junk will glow in the dark? Party time baby, let's play hide the glow worm.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:20 | 3127549 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Her hiding places will be glowing too.  No place to hide your worm.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:47 | 3127318 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Tango


My understanding is that the air masses of the N Hemisphere and the S Hemisphere mix very slowly, same with the Pacific Ocean waters.  In any case, you would likely have YEARS longer to live down there.  As long as you have some money to take with you (or already there).

You do not have to be in the 1% to set up a place in the Perus, Chiles, Panamas or Uruguays down there.  You DO have to plan, visit, save and learn the language to wherever you might go.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:44 | 3127174 Winston Churchill
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Don't forget the distibution of reprocessing plants needs to go into that.

A conventional warhead can reek untold damage, and forever irradiation damage.

Five in the UK alone(that are acknowledged),I use to supply them,so I know.

Add in  research reactors also ,and those numbers are very light.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:42 | 3127447 lolmao500
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Good point.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:19 | 3127263 Bicycle Repairman
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Every single nuclear plant is a dirty bomb.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:33 | 3127419 lolmao500
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Yeah a several tons of high concentrated uranium and plutonium dirty bomb... which is 10000X much worse than anything a ``real`` dirty bomb would look like.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:38 | 3127600 Wile-E-Coyote
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Ah but you are forgetting about the fail safes, all these reactors would have a controlled shut down just like Fukashima............ oh wait.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 02:15 | 3128848 Element
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Taiwan is a worry in its own right, it's likewise a geological terrain where a high magnitude earthquake will eventually occur.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 17:34 | 3127718 Wile-E-Coyote
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Ahh have you forgot about Japan? Fukushima is pumping out radiation on an industrial scale.


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:23 | 3127020 Motorhead
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Maps, bitchez!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:25 | 3127026 The Navigator
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No, CHARTS bitchez, and a couple of sextants and hope they're still broadcasting GMT from somewhere.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:55 | 3127089 DoChenRollingBearing
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What interests me about THIS map (above) is the fact that we only have ONE carrier operational in theatre at this moment.  Vacation time for our sailors?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:18 | 3127133's picture

There's 2 carrier groups docked here in San Diego

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:43 | 3127169 knukles
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Nothing but more of those pesky coincidences.
Like the OMB mentioning late on a Friday night about the extra unaccounted for 600 billiontrilliongadzillion or whatever additional costs to the tax deal..

Or like building7

Or the gold under the others

Or the pentagram crash wiping out the bazillion trillion records of the missing money

Or any one of a number of them other coincidences...

(Just go back to sleep, peasantry.  Get your well deserved rest before slaving tomorrow.)

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:34 | 3127291 DoChenRollingBearing
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I can go back to sleep?  Thanks, knuks!


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:29 | 3127576 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Planes can be launched from Europe (and elsewhere) and refueled in flight.  The pilots will set the plane on autopilot and sleep until it's time to refuel.  Then they take another nap until time to drop the payload.  Afterwards another nap after all that hard work.  Modern Warfare.

Carriers are "nice to have", but not a necessity.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:24 | 3127024 chubbar
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Doesn't the NDAA allow for the indefinite detention of anyone who is found to be assisting Al CIADuh? Then we find out our own Gov't is assisting these guys? WTF???

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:28 | 3127150 lolmao500
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Yeah when NDAA passed a lot of us said Obama should arrest himself and the whole congress under the very own law they passed...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:31 | 3127153 DavidC
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You're quite correct chubbar. There was a posting about it a while ago on ZH.


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:25 | 3127027 GMadScientist
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"Every 20 years or so..."

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:26 | 3127028 Wile-E-Coyote
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Seriously does anyone think Syria wants a war with NATO.

BTW I wonder how many Russian submarines are lurking about.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:44 | 3127172 knukles
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None I can see so it must be A-OK.
Just ask MSNBC....

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:26 | 3127029 caimen garou
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when all else fails,call out the smurfs! got to keep the war machine going!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:32 | 3127032 q99x2
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Give them nukes to protect themselves and be done with it. The Chinesers should show up to assist the Russians in setting up a doomsday machine against the NWO. You know for peaceful purposes.

The greatest threat against democracy is the NWO and UN.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:57 | 3127091 Super Broccoli
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nah really why would China enter a war with USA ? if China wants to see america collapse, all it has to do is sell the shit loads of US bonds and US dollars they own !

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:27 | 3127275's picture

Lack of respect for dollar hegemony is the sort of thing that leads to a US attack. Just ask Saddam.


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:05 | 3127516 AgAu_man
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At the risk of upsetting the Kool-Aid zombified chauvinists, allow me to flag some basic historic facts... Posed as a question:

Between the British, French, American and Chinese empires, which 3 of 4 have a very long history of wars and imperialism far beyond their own borders (and legitimate need for security by geographic proximity)?

This business -- false-flag, MSM propaganda -- of "Them" seeking war against the US is 100% Elite BS. And detracts from more cogent arguments. I suggest, it's time for smart people to treat it accordingly.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:32 | 3127042 Reptil
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Range (against fighter jets) 50-160 km (depending on which one the dutch and german army brought to Turkey)

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:35 | 3127052 tooriskytoinvest
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Syria's President Assad mobbed by supporters after speech. Fleet of 16 Russian warships en route to Syria to head off a Western attack.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:01 | 3127216 hoos bin pharteen
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How close do you think the unpaid non-supporters are allowed to get to him?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:37 | 3127055 walküre
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the event timeline now appears to culminate in 2-3 months

Perfect timing if you've got too much debt, deficits and no chance in hell to keep the status quo going.





Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:38 | 3127059 lolmao500
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Now just wait till America goes into civil war and Russia and China funds the American ``terrorists``... it'll be fun.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:53 | 3127085 roadhazard
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I can't wait to see who gets the "terrorist" tag. The hippies, probably, those fuckin', stinkin' hippies.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:57 | 3127205 lakecity55
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No, the terrorists will be those folk who cling to guns and Bibles and believe in an ancient document called The Constitution.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:40 | 3127604 Freddie
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Well Russia is essentially arming the "bitter clingers" with lots of Wolf ammo, Prvi Partizan ammo and other Russki brands.   Putin sucks but he is light years better than our mu*lim.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:40 | 3127062 Peter Pan
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Why are civil wars called "civil" ?


Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:50 | 3127081 Dr Benway
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Wiki says:

"The term is a calque of the Latin bellum civile which was used to refer to the various civil wars of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC."

where civile is the

"neuter singular of c?v?lis (civil, pertaining to citizens)."

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:59 | 3127097 Ghordius
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exactly. a "war between citizens", i.e. between people that should be allied and part of the same polity instead of enemies, according to the Romans

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 14:29 | 3127280's picture

When folks come to see themselves as individuals rather than as citizens the world will be a better place.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:06 | 3127356 Matt
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What is the cognitive threshold for individualism? 120? Is it even possible for more than 20 percent of the population to even BE individuals?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 15:50 | 3127471's picture

Individuality is innate. How could it be otherwise? That's why they spend so much time beating us over the head with socialist claptrap in school and in the media.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:59 | 3127100 Super Broccoli
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keep it simple, it's called a "civil war" since it involves non-military personel

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:28 | 3127151 Tango in the Blight
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I guess Grant and Lee weren't calling the shots during the American Civil War then.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:59 | 3127210 Super Broccoli
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non-foreign military personel :-)

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:18 | 3127135 magpie
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'war between people of the same legal status'

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 16:42 | 3127611 Freddie
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It is a shame the Roman citizenery did not do away with the Senate or at least the Senators. 

The Senate had the Roman army off on mickey mouse bull shit missions while the Senate looted Rome.   The army was not there to protect the citizens.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:11 | 3127120 swmnguy
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"Intramural" might be more accurate.  Your point regarding the utter antithesis of "civility" as we tend to use the term, is well taken however.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:44 | 3127069 TruthBeforeAll
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I don't know, I hear that Obama can be more flexible now towards Russia. WTF does that mean? I guess we'll find out.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:47 | 3127074 Super Broccoli
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no panic, those ships have been on their way for weeks and it's a regular move ...

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:54 | 3127087 roadhazard
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They must be using oars.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:11 | 3127125 mjcOH1
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One guy on the oars for every 10 bailing.

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