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Russian Ships Park Off Syrian Coast As NATO Deploys Patriot Missiles In Turkey
Several hours ago, Syrian president delivered his first public speech in months, addressing the internal military conflict that has gripped his country, and whose key excerpts can be found here. In it he called for a "full national mobilisation" to fight against rebels he described as al Qaeda terrorists. "We meet today and suffering is overwhelming Syrian land. There is no place for joy while security and stability are absent on the streets of our country," Assad said in a speech at the opera house in central Damascus. "The nation is for all and we all must protect it." Assad once again blamed the west for provoking and "facilitating" the rebellion, which even the NYT admits is being orchestrated by Al Qaeda, which naturally begs the question: just what is Al Qaeda to the US and to its intelligence agencies - foe or ally? But while providing fodder for the pundits, the speech was largely irrelevant. What does merit attention is the follow up to the story from two weeks ago the Russia sent two squadrons of ship to Syria in mid-December. It appears they have arrived, and just in time to offset the positioning of NATO Patriot missiles along the Turkish-Syria border.
From Jerusalem Post:
Russia has concentrated five landing ships in the eastern Mediterranean in a show of force meant to deter Western nations from intervening militarily in Syria, The Sunday Times quoted a Russian diplomat as saying.
According to the report, the ships are carrying military vehicles and hundreds of Russian marines, and are being accompanied by combat vessels.
Remember when the official party line was that ships are being sent to assist in the evacuation of Russian citizens? Looks like not even Russia is going with that anymore.
While officially Russia has claimed the ships have been deployed to partake in an exercise to "improve the management, maintenance and testing of the interaction of naval forces,” the Times quoted the diplomat as saying the marines were meant to deter the West from deploying ground forces in the uprising against Syrian President Bashar Assad.
Meanwhile in Turkey from Al Jazeera:
NATO has begun deploying Patriot missiles in Turkey in a bid to protect the country from the threat of war from neighbouring Syria, according to the US military's European Command (EUCOM).
EUCOM said in a statement on Friday that US military personnel and equipment were sent to Incirlik Air Base in southeastern Turkey to support NATO's Patriot battery deployment at Ankara's request.
Up to 400 troops are expected to be transported to Tukey within the week to operate two Patriot batteries supporting NATO's mission there. Additional equipment is scheduled to arrive by sea this month.
"The deployment of six Patriot batteries, including two each from Germany and The Netherlands, is in response to Turkey's request to NATO," EUCOM said in the statement issued from its offices in the southwestern German city of Stuttgart.
"The forces will augment Turkey's air defence capabilities and contribute to the de-escalation of the crisis along the Alliance's border," it added.
Yes, we too find it amusing when by de-escalation the US armed forces mean anything but.
Which then leaves the only open question: when?
“Russia should be prepared for any developments, as it believes the situation in Syria might reach its peak before Easter,” the Times quoted the diplomatic source as saying.
In other words, having been unable to convince the world that Iran is a terminal threat to "democracy" everywhere and the window of destroying its nuclear processing facilities now officially closed, and with both the Lebanon and the Gaza conflicts hibernating, the only loophole left to escalate the region is now Syria, where the event timeline now appears to culminate in 2-3 months.
Finally, let's not forget the US naval presence in the region, whose most recent update via Stratfor is shown below. Just need a few more US ships in the eastern mediterranean for things to get fun.
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it's still not clear if this Syrian civil war has costed 40'000 or 60'000 lives
and yet there are some who don't notices that, that ask for moar war
So what do you suggest as policy then? Seems this is no-win all around. Just leave them alone and let them kill the heck out of each other and may the most brutal win? Not saying you are wrong.
According to that chart up there ^ from Stratfor, almost all our ships are In Home Port. Just sayin'.
How about a nice game of chess?
Maybe later. Right now I want to play Thermo-nuclear war.
*YAWN*
Another predilection of doom.
I love the Bears too, but I'm hoping this is just another fart in the wind.
(Or maybe the potential consequences of this conflict are too horrifying to imagine.)
Well of course the insurrectionist forces are part of the allahkaduh that appears the West started and continues to support (with guns, etc) in it's revolutionary fervor to expand the Caliphate across the entirety of the MENA region ensuring a new and improved enemy for the long war.
This is not a mystery, hard to grasp or understand. In fact, the deep philosophical messages of early classic now repressed Bugs Bunny cartoons are far murkier...
We should take away all guns in America and ship them to the SLA! That will fix everything! @sarc
if the u.s. had listened to general marshall and not supported the creation of israel all of this would not be happening.
even if the foreign policy of ike was still that of the u.s., the arabs would not be at war or near war with the west and fundamentalist islam would be a far weaker force. modernity has many charms but the utter israel first of u.s. (and to a lesser degree european) foreign policy negates it, especially combined with the brutality of israel.
What a grip the propagandists have over US news. Unlike ZH, big media is editing out "Al Qaeda terrorists" from Assad's description of the rebels.
Tick tock...
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/
You mean something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuMs5Trf9DU
Or maybe Mississippi Bugs? One Caliphate is easier for the CIA to run and manage for oil supplies, cutbacks are everywhere........
(Note - not endosing the Bugs video, just pointing out the "changing" message over the years.)
Tijuana Donkey Show, It has been a hell of a long time ago, but I remember one drunken liberty when we headed from San Diego on liberty and ended up is some slease pit down in TJ and managed to catch act one of a real true to life TJ donkey show. Best be drunk out your mind to appreciate the performance. I thought all the talk onboard ship about these shows was BS, I was proven wrong. Amazing!
The snow village that peacefully existed on my bay window ledge for the past 30 days is no longer. Once I had heard they hated me for my freedoms (I know this because Fox News told me so), I decided to rain hell-fire down on their peaceful, isolationist heads. It’s now as if they had never existed. Being the victor in this conflict, I will take on the responsibility for writing the history books. It will be the official story so there will be ne no need to do any further research.
FORWARD, AMERICANS!
indeed. and now for an endless johnson:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/04/war-on-terror-endles...
Or Go?
You meen risk, yes??
Not very good for a first speech I'm afraid. There was some bright spots, but overall I'd have to give him...an "F". Maybe he'll get better with time. Mass coersion is a finely tuned skill; he just needs more practice. Does Yale have a Syrian campus?
We have to wade through a sea of bullshit to get at any semblence of truth from the media. How about we quit killing people until we have a free and open information communication network. How can we know what action to take when we're being lied to?
Doesn't look like the U.S. is positioning for a war..., maybe somebody else is.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
wut?
WTF rock have you been hiding under for the last 33 years?
~~~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI
Forget it, he's rolling.
Aah Animal House! Have seen it but it was a long time ago.
As a younger man, I only saw the TV version, and never understood the briefcase gag.,,,,, Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life young man, unless your Barney Frank.
his barney frank?
Yeah, lol. When young I saw some Arnold Schwarzenegger movies that were censored into incomprehensibility
As to your question about which course of action we should take, that presents a complex ethical dilemna.
If NATO goes in there, they will bomb the place with depleted Uranium weapons, which will cause infertility, miscarriages, birth defects and luekemia in children for an unknown amount of time into the future.
However, by depopulating this area, rather than allowing the populace there to continue to grow, NATO may prevent larger scale wars in the future, in which a larger number of hypothetical unborn people would die in these hypothetical future wars.
And then there are the unknown unknowns.
DU is used as a penetrator against armour and also for its secondary pyro-incendiary property, but primarily used against military vehicles via anti-armour missiles and anti tank rounds. It is not used at all in conventional bombs, as far as I'm aware (except maybe for a deep penetration anti-bunker weapon). Most militaries replace DU with gold or copper in shaped charge warheads.
DU is in fact far more often used as an armour material in tanks, due to its high density. But the health risks of DU are not from its radioactivity, which is actually low to negligible, but due to the fact that it is a heavy-metal that can turn into an oxidized dust.
But lead in bullets is also a heavy metal, and in lab testing if animals ingested lead oxide they suffered the very same symptoms as from ingesting DU oxide. the radiation is effectively irrelevant.
It was the Dutch that bombed Pearl Harbor. Those shady f*ckers were never neutral.
hmm, so deploying new weapon systems into politically unstable regions is now considered a "de-escalaton" ..... uh
How else you gonna bomb 'em for their freedom?
@ f_s
Ha ha, looks like someone missed your humor...
In 1978... francis_sawyer went to see (among other things)...
Animal House, The Deer Hunter, & Midnight Express
Looks like someone else never made it past: Battlestar Galactica, Gay USA, Ice Castles, & Oliver's Story
Dawn of the Dead
Fuck it, "Jaws"
"I think we are going to need a bigger boat."
Smile you son of a bitch.
Dawn of the Dead was filmed at a nearby mall. Years later I worked at the Radio Shack and we used to go smoke by a fountain where one of the zombies got blasted.
LOL
How amy folks just don't get it...as per my comment above.
Jeesh....
What is 200 soldiers and Patriots then,if not war,oh sorry me,its defence,over there in Turkey=Iran Guatemale Chile Argentina Brasil Vietnam Irak Afghanistan Libia Sudan Somalia Yemen Pakistan,the game is Risk:
Played it,and won the world,i took all the Oil,so simpel is that!
What is the hard part, is called:PEACE,a word lost through history!If it ever ment anything!
Peace is a temporary condition between two wars.
Hmm... just notced this too. Not very usual, maybe because those pesky "moskits" and "granits".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-700_Granit
I canT wait to find out if those things work.
Noticed that last time as well... but then I'd assume battle groups do carry a lot of personnel and material. Maybe they came back a little light.
Yeah you would almost think they are afraid of the new Chinese ballistic anti ship missile Dong-Feng 21.
What we can be sure of is the Russian, Chinese, Syrians and Iranians are all swapping info back and forth between them, and all know exactly where the US navy is, and also what each individual ship is doing, at every moment. If the US wanted to intervene they would have solid indications of it in advance. It appears they wont be. They've given up trying to intimidate Damascus with carrier air power and missiles. That didn't work and it isn't going to work. Lavrov said it very plainly about three weeks back, that the west has zero stomach for intervening directly in Syria. At best the foreign-backed rebels will get indirect support only.
It remains to be seen if the US is actually wanting to avoid a serious spiraling regional conflict. We'll soon see, from the disposition of US and NATO troops in Jordan and Turkey. Lebanon is waiting to see which way the wind blows and Iraq will be hoping like hell it defuses.
The fly in the ointment, as always, is Saudi extremism and their protracted funding of Al Qaeda. For which their leadership should already have been overthrown, and bought up on charges, and hung until dead. And if they get into a conflict with Iran and loose their cash-cow to a sustained missile barrage of epic proportions, that almost certainly will happen to them thereafter, in one form or another.
That line in the sand just bacame a trench.
Russia just raised a middle finger to the US.
Which means the Chinese are ready too.
Interesting times to die in.
it's still a bit more complicated than that
btw, trenches are often a good sign, it often means less blood being spilled
Ypres.
North and South Korea; Cyprus; Kashmere region; demilitarized zones
Gallipoli,Atlantic Wall,Leningrad,Stalingad etc etc
Half full, or half empty?
Only you can decide.
Ummm are you familiar with WWI.
Yes.
History is an interest of mine.Real history,not the sanitised revisionist variety
currently pedalled about nowadays.
Not so fast- it appears that Russia is ready to acquiesce to the US/UK western banking syndicate and form some type of financial union. Which basically means it is very likely Russia is ready to bow down to their new Globalist masters.
Source ?
Don't be surprised. Larry Summers visits the Kremlin all the time. The reason everything happens so damned slowly is because it has been planned for decades and they have learned not to spook the sheep until slaughter.
They got some help from Temple Grandin on the design for the sheeple. Ipads calm sheeple suffering on their way to the slaugher floor.
- Posted from my IPad
PressTv.
"Russian representatives admit that strong measures must be taken to protect the continued viability of the Euro, admitting that a collapse would have dire consequences for Russia's economy"
No single country or President is bigger than the NWO. In the end,they will all fall in line. Also interesting to see Russian commentators jumping on the anti-gun bandwagon recently...
Do you read your own comments ?
Didn't t see petro dollar being mentioned as a concern for them at all.
Their only concern is being paid for exports to the EU.
Also Russian commentatators were pro gun rights,not agin them,
Stick to the facts not erroneus suppositions.
Putin bow to the West............... dream on.
@ Winston Churchill
RT reported that:
Bit of a second-hand reporting, but he's thanking them for not going against Damascus or making the situation worse. My guess is things will consolidate behind Damascus from here and more support will inevitably come for the Assad govt to make space for reforms to occur. Many people now realize this "al-qaeda" is a euphemism for the long-term but periodic US-Saudi-backed nexus with fostered Islamic radicals, to achieve crass geopolitical aims.
More likely the Chinese will greatly increase all sorts of support to the Iranians, who will then provide more support to Damascus. Iran has already directly stated that Turkey is going to pay a price for continuing to channel support to the 'rebels' in Syria. So some form of payback is on the way for Turkey. It remains to be seen what is done to Jordan, Saudis and gulf states for supporting this bastardry.
What he said:
http://www.sana-syria.com/eng/21/2013/01/06/460536.htm
Russia just raised a middle finger to the US.
Which means the Chinese are ready too.
Yep, that's how I see it. Last 12 yrs Russia and China have watched rapidly increasing US imperialism in the ME, and have been using that time to build up their military strength. Now they feel ready to take on US in that region, and their alliance is pretty strong, pledging their mutual defense of Iran some time ago.
I still believe Iran will be the big one where all hell breaks loose if Israhell or US foolishly decide to invade, and they see what's happening in Syria as US buildup for it, so they have to intervene now.
I believe we're wacthing the buildup to thermonuclear WWIII. I cant imagine ANA holding that card back much longer when "nuclear" is their middle name.
We live in history making times.
the "natural" way to solve it would involve serious talks between Russia and Turkey - without Israeli, US, UK and France's influence
those are the two players that "naturally" wish for a peaceful Syria because an unpeaceful one is against their interests
unlikely...
Yeah agreed. But I'm not sure that would actually stop the violence.
I think the broader problem is that in many of these countries it is a matter of the lesser evil: dictatorship or fundamentalism/sectarianism.
. . .broader problem. . . many of these countries. . . lesser evil. . . Doc you talking Republicans or Dems?
I'm talking simple reality. In many of these countries, dictatorship was the only thing repressing sectarian violence and fundamentalism, as the disappointing results of the Arab Spring shows.
So if you are a democracy-loving moderate young student in one of these countries, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Neither side is palatable.
But hey, why engage in nuanced debate here on ZH? It's easier to blather some stuff about how everything is the fault of the US joos and NWO and downvote. I swear this site has some of the smartest people in the world, and at the same time some of the most brainless automatons.
+1 and often it depends on the subject - some commentators have incredibly smart comments on some matters and incredibly stupid ones on others
some of it is explainable with a certain "infantilization" of society (which historically goes hand in hand with individualism) , but most of it is related to lack of responsability, and a focus on narrow subjects on the workplace and in private life
oh, and of course the social media "up/down-voting" leads to an interesting bias
Unfortunately you assume they are acting in their country's best interests......and not their "own"
Syria seemed to be fine for years until "attention" got turned to them. Regime change and all that.
After their victory in Libya, the jihadists need somewhere new to continue their holy war. Since the goal is to die ina holy war, as long as there is one jihadist alive, there will be a holy war. However, they continue to recruit more members as they go along, insuring the jihad never ends.
Perpetual War for Perpetual... 'Virtue'?
How about the UN, is this not what much of our plundered wealth is suppose to go to. A feckless mob of Blue Helmeted "peace keepers." For fucks sake, if the Blue Helmets can't prove themselves as the keepers of the peace in little ol Syria the what hopes do they have. Wait, I know, if there is lttle expended and destroyed hardware how will Lockeed Martin make their nut?
I remember when the UN was sent everywhere in the 70's and 80's to stand in the middle, note how little their services are being requested of late. Thats right mother fuckers, you can't make real money, squander lives and surgically strike a shoe shine boy with the dipshit refs running around.
The UN is doing what the British Masters want.
Recall... "I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of The Empire upon which the sun never sets. Whoever controls the money supply of The Empire, controls it. And I control the Money Supply." - Baron Nathan Rothschild.
Former colonial countries do not vote as a block, the British have no say in it, though some do struggle to be free of the apron strings.
Maybe if Assad changed his name to Lincoln we could all comprehend this somewhat better?
C'mon son. Do you really think Assad is some sort of saint and not a brutal despot? Or do you just troll and take the opposite side of MSM on every topic without reflection?
Assad is a dictator. The Al Qaeda rebels are definitely no better. Syrian moderates, watch rock meet hard place.
C'mon son. Do you really think Lincoln was some sort of saint and not a brutal despot?
edit2: nm i cant even be bothered. as usual, you post nothing but sophistry. for once it would be great if you could actually address the topic and points made. but this time i cant be bothered. you are a oneliner pony.
You were bothered enough to reply with a non-reply. Oh, and enjoy this second line while you're at it.
Do you really think Assad is some sort of saint and not a brutal despot?
If that's justification for US-sponsored regime change, we should be invading North Korea and lots of other little brutal dicatorships.
Nope, it's just US doing Israhell's bidding.
God how I'd love seeing Russia turn that shitty little strip if desert to glass and ash. Maybe I will.
...lotsa "Dr." usernames these days..
Obam may be a muslim (terrorist) but he is our muslim (terrorist). USSA! USSA! EBT! HFT!
Russia has placed its super-effective high-speed Iskander missiles in Syria
Iskander vs Patriot, as Pepe Escobar says in Asia Times Online
Even the Israeli journalists are admitting Assad can last a long time, he might even win, tho it will be bloody
One of Assad's tactics is letting the US-backed 'rebels' control big stretches of territory, so the locals can see what thugs and murderers they are ... helps solidify support for Assad over the mercenaries backed by the West
Fascinating coverage of Syria on Asia Times Online, here from Pepe Escobar
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NL22Ak03.html
and Victor Kotsev
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/OA05Ak04.html
AND I recall all of the shrill "Iran gets struck by XXX" from last Fall. Pre-election attack. Post-election attack. New moon attack. THREE carriers there, oh no!!!!!
+1 on the Asia times coverage.
great links :-)) thanks
al Qaeda has many a offspring today. The warbling infectious sirocco forever stalling in Libya, has Egypt in a maelstrom? Why Qaddafi [ http://www.jassimtaqui.com/2011/09/conspiracy-of-rothschild-bankers.html ]? Was it his gold? Or was it that his ideological political programs of a better society were working-- not only for Libya but for his surrounding African neighbors? We'll never know thanks to Obama via 'Hillary the Useless'!
These are terrorist groups we've heard little about in the MSM... that are coming of age!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shabaab_(militant_group)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_the_Islamic_Maghreb
Note: There are many more... their [all] seed was first planted [hybrid & spliced?] in Afghanistan by our 'CFR' via the USSA [CIA/FBI] !
Ps. Turkey wants into the G-20, at any cost!
Ps2. Turkish 'Armenian Genocide'... should explain the hard-feelings the turks have about humanitarian concerns?
Ps3. after Syria, its Lebanon and Egypt-- while Israel picks the Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights clean.
Haysus Christo!
I go to AtTimes.com link our friend in Brussels posts and they have *****ng C-I-A- banner ads for jobs.
If I wanted to work for Langely - I would go work at Google or FarceBook with Suckerberg or maybe Oracle to mop the floors on Larry Ellison's 600 foot yachts.
If Iskander are present (which is a big 'if'); the navigation during flight is inertial and probably GLONASS as well, which the Russians have been rapidly further developing and deploying. But terminal homing is optical/IR (probably with laser designation also). Range is at least 450km, and a variant with about 600km range was under development in 2005, and expected to be fielded in 2010-2011. Has a large warhead ~800kg. Accuracy is 5 to 7 meters and can pull up to 30Gs in maneuvering to evade an anti-ballistic missile system.
But more importantly it's likely Iskander has an anti-ship capability as well, and the US Navy would need to presume that it does, which would require carriers to stand-off at ranges that would render naval air power mostly ineffective. So >if< Iskander is present it's a serious warning of Russian commitment.
The Southern hemisphere should be safer if/when WW3, but there's no place to hide from the insanity.
http://dailyreckoning.com/the-freest-place-in-the-world/
True that as not much of the Southern Hemisphere would be nuked.
The biggest threat to humans following WW3 wouldn't be the nukes... it would be the nuclear reactors going kaboom. Funny how all those nuclear war is winnable theoreticians never included that little tidbit of information into their calculations.
Belgium = 7 reactors
Canada = 17 reactors (+3 on the way)
China = 15 reactors (+25 on the way)
Czech Republic = 6 reactors
France = 58 reactors (+1 on the way)
Germany = 9 reactors
Hungary = 4 reactors
India = 20 reactors (+7 on the way)
Japan = 55 reactors (+3 on the way)
Pakistan = 3 reactors (+2 on the way)
Romania = 2 reactors
Russia = 33 reactors (+10 on the way)
Slovakia = 4 reactors (+2 on the way)
Slovenia = 1 reactor
South Korea = 23 reactors (+4 on the way)
Spain = 8 reactors
Sweden = 10 reactors
Switzerland = 5 reactors
Taiwan = 6 reactors (+2 on the way)
Ukraine = 15 reactors
UK = 16 reactors
US = 104 reactors (+1 on the way)
Yep the Northern Hemisphere is FUCKED for the next few million years if WW3 breaks out.
Nice food for thought. + 1
there's no need for WW3 for the Northern Hemisphere to be FUCKED for the next few million years. All it needs is any reason, be it natural economic or otherwise, that there's no staff to maintain any one of those 481 reactors for a period of time...
Then the radiation will spread over the Southern Hemisphere as well (like in Nevil Shute's On The Beach) and the whole world is fux0red.
The stupid species known as the human race deserves everything that is coming to them.
Except it doesn't work that way. But yeah all that radiation would screw nature and it would affect the whole planet.
So.... my junk will glow in the dark? Party time baby, let's play hide the glow worm.
Her hiding places will be glowing too. No place to hide your worm.
@ Tango
My understanding is that the air masses of the N Hemisphere and the S Hemisphere mix very slowly, same with the Pacific Ocean waters. In any case, you would likely have YEARS longer to live down there. As long as you have some money to take with you (or already there).
You do not have to be in the 1% to set up a place in the Perus, Chiles, Panamas or Uruguays down there. You DO have to plan, visit, save and learn the language to wherever you might go.
Don't forget the distibution of reprocessing plants needs to go into that.
A conventional warhead can reek untold damage, and forever irradiation damage.
Five in the UK alone(that are acknowledged),I use to supply them,so I know.
Add in research reactors also ,and those numbers are very light.
Good point.
Every single nuclear plant is a dirty bomb.
Yeah a several tons of high concentrated uranium and plutonium dirty bomb... which is 10000X much worse than anything a ``real`` dirty bomb would look like.
Ah but you are forgetting about the fail safes, all these reactors would have a controlled shut down just like Fukashima............ oh wait.
Taiwan is a worry in its own right, it's likewise a geological terrain where a high magnitude earthquake will eventually occur.
Ahh have you forgot about Japan? Fukushima is pumping out radiation on an industrial scale.
Maps, bitchez!
No, CHARTS bitchez, and a couple of sextants and hope they're still broadcasting GMT from somewhere.
What interests me about THIS map (above) is the fact that we only have ONE carrier operational in theatre at this moment. Vacation time for our sailors?
There's 2 carrier groups docked here in San Diego
Coincidence.
Nothing but more of those pesky coincidences.
Like the OMB mentioning late on a Friday night about the extra unaccounted for 600 billiontrilliongadzillion or whatever additional costs to the tax deal..
Or like building7
Or the gold under the others
Or the pentagram crash wiping out the bazillion trillion records of the missing money
Or any one of a number of them other coincidences...
(Just go back to sleep, peasantry. Get your well deserved rest before slaving tomorrow.)
I can go back to sleep? Thanks, knuks!
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz........
Planes can be launched from Europe (and elsewhere) and refueled in flight. The pilots will set the plane on autopilot and sleep until it's time to refuel. Then they take another nap until time to drop the payload. Afterwards another nap after all that hard work. Modern Warfare.
Carriers are "nice to have", but not a necessity.
Doesn't the NDAA allow for the indefinite detention of anyone who is found to be assisting Al CIADuh? Then we find out our own Gov't is assisting these guys? WTF???
Yeah when NDAA passed a lot of us said Obama should arrest himself and the whole congress under the very own law they passed...
You're quite correct chubbar. There was a posting about it a while ago on ZH.
DavidC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZS9cl4xkcg
"Every 20 years or so..."
Seriously does anyone think Syria wants a war with NATO.
BTW I wonder how many Russian submarines are lurking about.
None I can see so it must be A-OK.
Just ask MSNBC....
when all else fails,call out the smurfs! got to keep the war machine going!
Give them nukes to protect themselves and be done with it. The Chinesers should show up to assist the Russians in setting up a doomsday machine against the NWO. You know for peaceful purposes.
The greatest threat against democracy is the NWO and UN.
nah really why would China enter a war with USA ? if China wants to see america collapse, all it has to do is sell the shit loads of US bonds and US dollars they own !
Lack of respect for dollar hegemony is the sort of thing that leads to a US attack. Just ask Saddam.
Correct!
At the risk of upsetting the Kool-Aid zombified chauvinists, allow me to flag some basic historic facts... Posed as a question:
Between the British, French, American and Chinese empires, which 3 of 4 have a very long history of wars and imperialism far beyond their own borders (and legitimate need for security by geographic proximity)?
This business -- false-flag, MSM propaganda -- of "Them" seeking war against the US is 100% Elite BS. And detracts from more cogent arguments. I suggest, it's time for smart people to treat it accordingly.
Range (against fighter jets) 50-160 km (depending on which one the dutch and german army brought to Turkey)
Syria's President Assad mobbed by supporters after speech. Fleet of 16 Russian warships en route to Syria to head off a Western attack.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/syrias-president-assad-mobbed-by-supporters-after-speech-fleet-of-16-russian-warships-en-route-to-syria-to-head-off-a-western-attack/
How close do you think the unpaid non-supporters are allowed to get to him?
Perfect timing if you've got too much debt, deficits and no chance in hell to keep the status quo going.
Now just wait till America goes into civil war and Russia and China funds the American ``terrorists``... it'll be fun.
I can't wait to see who gets the "terrorist" tag. The hippies, probably, those fuckin', stinkin' hippies.
No, the terrorists will be those folk who cling to guns and Bibles and believe in an ancient document called The Constitution.
Well Russia is essentially arming the "bitter clingers" with lots of Wolf ammo, Prvi Partizan ammo and other Russki brands. Putin sucks but he is light years better than our mu*lim.
Why are civil wars called "civil" ?
Wiki says:
"The term is a calque of the Latin bellum civile which was used to refer to the various civil wars of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC."
where civile is the
"neuter singular of c?v?lis (“civil, pertaining to citizens”)."
exactly. a "war between citizens", i.e. between people that should be allied and part of the same polity instead of enemies, according to the Romans
When folks come to see themselves as individuals rather than as citizens the world will be a better place.
What is the cognitive threshold for individualism? 120? Is it even possible for more than 20 percent of the population to even BE individuals?
Individuality is innate. How could it be otherwise? That's why they spend so much time beating us over the head with socialist claptrap in school and in the media.
keep it simple, it's called a "civil war" since it involves non-military personel
I guess Grant and Lee weren't calling the shots during the American Civil War then.
non-foreign military personel :-)
'war between people of the same legal status'
It is a shame the Roman citizenery did not do away with the Senate or at least the Senators.
The Senate had the Roman army off on mickey mouse bull shit missions while the Senate looted Rome. The army was not there to protect the citizens.
"Intramural" might be more accurate. Your point regarding the utter antithesis of "civility" as we tend to use the term, is well taken however.
I don't know, I hear that Obama can be more flexible now towards Russia. WTF does that mean? I guess we'll find out.
no panic, those ships have been on their way for weeks and it's a regular move ...
They must be using oars.
One guy on the oars for every 10 bailing.