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Piers Morgan Vs Alex Jones - The "Gun Fight" At The CNN Corral

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With the Notre Dame vs Alabama game a complete one-sided demolition, the night was in desperate need of some entertainment... until Piers Morgan and Alex Jones stepped in. While the headline topic was "guns", it was 13 minutes of unbridled spitting, stuttering, and screaming, which achieves nothing in converting anyone on the fence on either side of the "gun control" argument, but certainly helps with CNN's sagging Nielsen ratings, which after having become disinformation central following the Obamacare "rejection" and the NYSE floor "flooding", is now slowly but surely converting itself into the Jerry Springer show for Gen Y. If nothing else, this is far more fun than watching the all too controlled Notre Dame implosion.


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Mon, 01/07/2013 - 23:55 | 3131684 a growing concern
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Fuck you, Piers!

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 23:56 | 3131689 a growing concern
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And thanks for the distraction, TD.  This "national championship" game is more like a snuff film.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 23:57 | 3131695 Almost Solvent
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Roll Tide

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:03 | 3131715 I think I need ...
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we we gotta be close to the end if this was on cnn

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:06 | 3131723 BlueCollaredOne
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Or CNN is close to the end.  I think you could argue both sides.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:09 | 3131727 Lets_Eat_Ben
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Ya! Eat a bag of shit Piers! You pompass, lying, cocksucker!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:20 | 3131762 Michaelwiseguy
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I don't think the mainstream media sheeple have ever seen or heard anything like this.

I don't care how the job gets done or whose cages get rattled, just so long as the job gets done. The consensus on the blogs seems way more positive than negative.

Made the top of Drudge!

Fucking awesome Alex Jones!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:32 | 3131800 fourchan
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i am laughing my ass right the fuck off. pwned.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:35 | 3131810 Western
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I'm sorry but it seems Alex Jones has become just as much a shill as Liesman, Pisani, Krugman... et al.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:43 | 3131826 Michaelwiseguy
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Their combing every fact out of Jones' mouth right now. Which ones were wrong?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:01 | 3131867 Bindar Dundat
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THE BANKSTERS ARE BRITS!   Throw them out.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:06 | 3131875 Michaelwiseguy
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Pasted from a Daily Paul comment;

Building 7
Hatchet Man of the NWO
Elite w/armed body guards
1.6 BILLION bullets
Predator drones
Gang rape
Hacking scandal
Mao/Mass murder
Duck hunting
Red Coat

Who else could have crammed all these gold nuggets into a CNN ambush?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:30 | 3131946 whstlblwr
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Now that was great TV!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:36 | 3131961 Michaelwiseguy
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Last Words;

Jones: Go back to where they took the guns if you don't like it!

Yeah Piers you Red Coat, Go Back to Lousy Britain!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:53 | 3131986 redpill
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As much as I enjoy the sheer chaos of it (and I'm not a big Alex Jones lover), please keep in mind Piers Morgan was going to get fired unless he did some extreme attention-getting, which precisely why this event occurred.  This was not an ambush, it was an attempt to get attention because they told Alex Jones he could go off as much as he wanted, and that is precisely what Piers wanted to have something to rally against.  I don't think that worked very well because Piers comes off as a complete turd as usual.  But regardless, whatever the motivation, it was worth it for the initial rant about guns.  molon labe

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 02:09 | 3132015 lakecity55
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The Limey ran real fast from the Gladio comment.

Those of you who do are not aware should read Richard Cottrell, Gladio: Nato's Dagger at the Heart of Europe.

You will never see this referenced on the MSM. Never.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 08:42 | 3132299 GetZeeGold
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OMG......Alex smoked that little corksuckers ass.


I was never that big of a fan.....not that big of a conspiracy guy.....but I've gotta give props here.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 10:43 | 3132698 trav777
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AJ came in with talking points; he wasn't prepared to debate, nor was he responsive in any way to any counterpoint.

The gungrabbers ALWAYS point to "gun violence" and try to make that the issue.  It's a red herring.  "gun" violence is not qualitatively different in most respects from any other type of violence, "knife" violence, "fist" violence, etc.

They always bring up the UK and how they have low amounts of gun homicides.  Unfortunately, they have abundance of other kinds; while they have low "gun" violence, they are the highest in the other forms of violence in the EU.  The grabbers continually try to centralize the discussion around guns and only guns because that's a cherrypick and the only point they can succeed on.  Taken in totality, NOBODY should be trying to emulate the UK's policy on crime in ANY way.  And THAT is the point in opposition that needs to be made, look at the freaking UK, the policies have been awful.

Also, there have been other mass shootings in the period between aurora and sandy hook.  They just weren't publicized.  The news only reports on things which tend to fit their agenda.  It's like having a coin toss and you simply don't report when it's a heads.  Anyone watching your report would assume the coin had only tails.  There was a shooting in WI IIRC, where a black guy shot up a mall with pistols, killed 4 ppl I think, but it simply wasn't made news.  Didn't fit the narrative.  Wasn't an assault rifle, wasn't a white man.  So, like in 1984, it never "happened."  Conversely, sandy hook and aurora were hyped so much, they "happen all the time."

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 10:54 | 3132758 Divine Wind
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I think AJ was brilliant. The TRANSCRIPT to the conversation is what matters most and he got in the high points. This is what will be studied by TPTB. If they don't find it chilling, they are idiots.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 11:46 | 3132961 FEDbuster
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Piers was on the wrong end of a fully automatic weapon, Alex Jones' mind and mouth.

The machine gun of truth was locked and loaded ready to spray a fountain of truth on this mouthpiece of the NWO.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 12:22 | 3133047 SheepHerder
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I see this very different and actually question if this was staged.  Without a doubt AJ's points are on the money.  However he comes off as a raving lunatic which is exactly the stereotype the MSM tries to paint of those who want to keep guns.  He's yelling, uncivil, talking about boxing...I mean c'mon this is a nightmare from a PR stance for gun ownership.  If I'm on the fence in the debate and see Alex Jones being the "spokesperson" for gun owners, I'd question supporting their stance. 

There's tactics for taking on a news anchor.  In this video (  notice it's Bill Clinton's nonverbal communication that intimidates the host along with giving commands to the host on what he wanted him to do and flipping questions to to help bolster his point.  No name calling. No screaming and yelling.  Very little cutting off the host.  

NLP and Covert Persuasion is an art...and IMO Alex Jones failed miserably in convincing anyone who was on the fence about legislating more gun control.  

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 13:17 | 3133234 FEDbuster
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Jones is a Pitbull, Clinton a Doberman, both can rip an interviewer to shreds.  Ted Nugent fed on Piers in 2011:

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 13:27 | 3133261 HardAssets
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double post - - - sorry

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 13:26 | 3133263 HardAssets
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There are many diffeent approaches, effective with different people. Sometimes soft works, sometimes loud. Support all the voices out there

 'the enemy of my enemy .  . is my friend'

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:51 | 3133587 SamAdams
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AJ always comes off as a six-year old, pro-wrestling wannabe.  That is why TPTB let him continue.  They know his rants will most certainly scare the sheeple and prevent the truth from being taken as anything but a conspiracists diatribe.  Plus, they can make a buck off it in the process.  That's the long and short of it my friends.

At any rate, at least the message is getting out.  Maybe if the sheeple hear it often enough, they will begin to believe it?  Now where have I heard that before...

On the way to work this morning, I came upon a mini-van adorned with a barrage of bumper stickers.  There was US NAVY VET, and God Bless the USA, along with I love Israel and others.  Of course I had to see who this deluded idiot was, so pulled up next to him and immediately recognized the white-haired, navy cap wearing old man from my Republican precinct meeting.  I clearly remember him as he sat directly across from me and told me that Obama was a Muslim Communist that needed to be assassinated.  Ironically, these are the types of people that think Jones is a delusional nut-case!  Wonder if he realizes that Israeli citizens Feinstein and Schumer can't wait to take his 2nd ammendment rights away?  :-p

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 11:19 | 3132853 Chump
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Spot on.  Also the Oregon mall shooter who decided to kill himself as soon as someone produced a concealed handgun.  The guy with the CCW didn't take the shot because he couldn't be sure his bullets wouldn't strike people fleeing in the background.  Responsible gun owner stopping a rampage does not fit the narrative.

“I’m not beating myself up cause I didn’t shoot him,” said Meli.  “I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself.”

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 02:31 | 3132046 Michaelwiseguy
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Morgan will go back to his 300k viewers a night redpil. I'm not worried about his ratings.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 03:04 | 3132099 strannick
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Gotta love Jones' British accent.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 04:11 | 3132109 Michaelwiseguy
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You know what I find too funny?

Even before Morgan's show was over, Jones' segments were posted on Youtube.

This interview is the next great leap for Reality TV.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 05:15 | 3132186 TruthInSunshine
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Totally Off Topic-- It looks like AIG is contemplating suing the United States for bailing it out (from the "you can't make this shit up" files):

After Bailout Rescue, A.I.G. Weighs Suing Its Savior By BEN PROTESS and MICHAEL J. DE LA MERCED

A lawsuit claims that the rescue by the government deprived A.I.G.’s shareholders of tens of billions of dollars and took private property for public use without appropriate compensation.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 05:56 | 3132188 Michaelwiseguy
Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:20 | 3132244 verum quod lies
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It hardly went as CNN "planned". No doubt they wanted and expected it to be an ambush, but clearly one that mostly went awry. Sure, they expected Jones to act like Jones and told Moron to act "professional", but they did not have much control over that "debate" and did not know what to do with Jones as he ranted quite effectively in fact. If it had gone according to plan then why did they cancel Jones "scheduled" "debate" with that cocksucker Dershowitz? Also, why did the CNN producer cry and apologize to Pierce Moron?



Tue, 01/08/2013 - 06:29 | 3132220 verum quod lies
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The best part was how subdued Pierce Moron was while Jones was talking. Under those conditions that was not his natural demeanor at all and you could tell he hated sitting there. I can't help but envision some kind of cartoonish caption above his head that read something to the effect "CNN made me have this guy on and told me to act 'professional', and now it just occurred to me that: (1) that was a bad strategy, and (2) I may now be a target for Alex Jones' supporters & I now wish I had never said what I said, (3) I want my mommy, and (4) do you think I can get my old job back? ..."


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:35 | 3132258 Popo
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All I know is that was thoroughly entertaining.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 09:13 | 3132398 Max Hunter
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Indeed.. I don't think that shook out as well as CNN would have hoped..

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 10:49 | 3132730 trav777
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OF course it didn't go well...CNN is a gungrab "news" organization.  Jones brought up points that didn't fit their narrative and he refused to play on their field of "*gun* violence."

The grabbers NEVER talk about overall violence.  They don't mention muggings, stabbings, robbery, home invasions, etc.  It's always gun violence and nothing but violence with guns.  Overall violence is NOT their concern.

What IS their concern is a person with a gun, a citizen, a regular joe (as opposed to someone *authorized*, aka, an elite).

Look at the Secret Service, look at the security profiles of all the bigwigs- they are telling you what is their PRIMARY concern, a person with a gun.  All the scanning the crowd, the snipers, the metal detectors.  All of it is to find that person with a gun.  People with guns scare them.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 16:10 | 3133885 ATM
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Yup, what they are worried about is an armed Joe sitting behind the kitchen door when the storm troopers barge in and get a face full of lead.

Have that happen a few hundred times and those storm troopers become much less compliant.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:58 | 3132282 uranian
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red coat was especially inspired, i thought.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 10:02 | 3132535 ronin12
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Forgot Gulf of Tonkin

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 12:04 | 3133012 lincolnsteffens
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The problem with the show was Alex was only preaching to his choir. I understood

what he said but anyone not familiar with Alex's points would have missed most of what he said. Alex was hitting so many points at such a rapid rate and many while Puke Morgan was trying to speak at the same time that the sheeple couldn't gain anything from it. IMHO

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 15:33 | 3133772 FEDbuster
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Like a professional boxer having a speed bag workout.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 03:04 | 3132098 ghostfaceinvestah
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Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 10:52 | 3132747 trav777
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RSA is *significantly* more violent than the UK.  The numbers are BS here.

But, UK to EU, the UK is pretty violent.  Point that must be made is NOBODY should be trying to emulate the UK in any way in terms of how they've "dealt with" violent crime.

If when they banned guns there they told people "we will mostly eliminate gun homicides but ALL other forms of violence will be unaffected and will continue to go up," I don't think the population would have said "that sounds GREAT" and gone along with it.

But, by consistently framing the argument around the red herring of GUN violence, they were able to make people forget about all the other forms, forms that the media downplays because they don't fit the agenda.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:21 | 3133136 Ghordius
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UK's crime statistics are completely different - aren't even comparable with the other EU countries

and don't get me started on how difficult it is to convince Brits to adopt comparable standards

according to their methods they report more "violent crime" and, strangely, less murders

I agree with you with the media's report methods, btw, particularly in "what fits the narrative"

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:21 | 3133499 Ghordius
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I also note Alex Jones' mention of "globalism" - is this becoming an US word for "global socialism"?

Or another way to cover up the globalization meme?

AJ mixes "globalism" up with the Big Banks, at which point I'd like to confront him with a few facts...

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 04:25 | 3132158 Hobbleknee
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Tue, 01/08/2013 - 13:16 | 3133229 HardAssets
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Western: "I'm sorry but it seems Alex Jones has become just as much a shill as Liesman, Pisani, Krugman... et al."

A shill for Liberty . . .

let us all be such 'shills'.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:49 | 3131842 CH1
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Alex is right on his facts, Piers is scum, but Alex was over the top for my taste.

I have no problem with Alex treating Piers like the arrogant, manipulative snot he is - or with any of the points he raised - but the performance (especially the insulting accent) was way too much.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:57 | 3131860 Cabreado
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And when "uncomfortable" usurps the message, the message gets lost (to too many).


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 02:08 | 3132012 Future Jim
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That was NOT supposed to go down like that. That's why they didn't let Alex debate Alan Dershowitz immediately afterwards as previously agreed.

Alex Jones OWNED piers morgan and said things that that audience never hears. He had to be loud, fast, and angry to keep Piers from obfuscating the issue. He should be angry. Advocating the disarming of the people is morally equivalent to advocating legalized rape, genocide, or slavery. You would be mad about any CNN host pushing those wouldn't you?

I sense that Alex Jones is in big trouble. I expect him to have a "heart attack" like Brietbart, or be killed by "some crack head."

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 02:26 | 3132036 Michaelwiseguy
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I think "Hero" status for Jones will ensue, even with the faults. If he is perceived not to be a threat to the NWO, they should give him his own prime time TV show. I'd like to hear more about Chemtrails and Agenda 21 on MSM TV.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 02:27 | 3132041 Oracle of Kypseli
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Alex, was also workinjg against the clock. He had to use that type of pace. i thought it was great. Some of you may not like the messenger but he was spot on.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:07 | 3132239 Comay Mierda
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yep. he even got a piece on 9/11 in there. anyone who watches WTC 7 come down and think it happened by a small fire is completely clueless.

hopefully more ppl will start investigating it and realize there was thermate explosive residue all over the place that day and in the weeks after.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 10:55 | 3132768 trav777
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metallurgical analysis of steel from the rubble showed extensive sulfate corrosion.  There were failure modes that were simply unanticipated.  High temperature corrosion of steel in a reducing environment was just not considered until after the fact.  Samples showed in addition extensive evidence of chlorine attack.

Merely because YOU do not understand these does not mean that they do not exist.

What is thermate explosive residue?  Thermite residue would be aluminum oxide and iron.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 12:12 | 3133024 Comay Mierda
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simultaneous collapse of all vertical and horizontal beams in building 7 causing near free fall collapse was caused by a fire on a couple floors?  riiiiiiiight

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 13:42 | 3133350 escargot
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Two plus two equals five, too.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:02 | 3133424 Taint Boil
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Check out melted steel beams held up by wood beams. Damn science - always getting in the way.
Tue, 01/08/2013 - 08:23 | 3132313 MassDecep
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"I sense that Alex Jones is in big trouble. I expect him to have a "heart attack" like Brietbart, or be killed by "some crack head."

Especially after mentioning psychotropic drugs.....

Don't fool with the handlers way of handling

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 16:06 | 3133875 Omen IV
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actually - Jones came across like a blow hard who couldnt defend his point of view so he kept talking endlessly about extraneous issues not germaine to a debate - he didnt want to be pinned down to point counter point so he played games


the problem is the use of guns have extreme effects  which the nra doesnt want to defend or differentiate to solve problems so they use this clown for a low level defense for the white trash amusement

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:03 | 3131870 UGrev
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He was over the top for my taste too.. But you have to understand one thing and I didn't get it myself until 2/3 of the way through. Alex isn't there to debate. Alex want's to say as much stuff as possible in the short amount of time they give them. The liberals will go nuts trying to disprove everything he's said and they'll twist statistics to do suit their desired outcome.  His rant was really for everyone else to actually hear different things than the standard script that they get hammered with everyday. 

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:10 | 3131874 LetThemEatRand
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I tend to think AJ's performance was calculated, and achieved exactly what he desired.  He will get a lot more internet discussion and debate than he would have achieved had he behaved as a rational debater.  His basic premise was to repeat the same point over and over and the point was made -- guns have a unique utility (protecting against tyranny) that far outweighs their occasional misuse, and people are going to kill people whether they have guns or some other weapon.  I actually did not know before watching the interview that the overall violent crime rate in England is higher than the U.S. (haven't verified the claim) despite a near complete gun ban.    He'll foster real debate on these issues, even if he didn't engage in one himself. 

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:10 | 3131889 Michaelwiseguy
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Good point. If Jones appeared simpering rational like everyone else, the interview would have gone in the dustbin of history.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:31 | 3131948 vato poco
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....and now poor ol' Piers knows what it's like to be the "honored guest" on the Chris Matthews show. Heh.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 12:14 | 3133031 lincolnsteffens
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Rape is double per capita rate in UK as in US and about 50% higher in France than US.

Just check it out.


Gun violence is down 37% since 1992 in US as the pop. is up by 20%. This is according to the FBI.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 16:13 | 3133894 Omen IV
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please - protect against tyranny???

we have tyranny today and 100 million guns outstanding with no postive effect - why do the banks and politicians steal at will from the citizens?  - if that is not tryanny what is?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:10 | 3131888 salvadordaly
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you actually see Piers, sticking to the govment theme, semi auto's. Every gun is a semi auto if you think about it. The one thing that bothers me is when they ask "why do you need them"? So simple to answer Mrs.Hypocryte Feinstein,,,,,,,, TO PROTECT MY SELF FROM YOU!!!!!!!!!!

Remember her question about large clips (magazines) "Why do you need them"?

my answer is real simple BITCH!

"TO PROTECT MY ASS FROM YOU"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry rant off.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:24 | 3131925 TheProphet
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NO. You are missing it.

The reply is, Piers, whether you THINK I need them or not is not the issue. The issue is I have a Constitutional right to them.

Your understanding is not required. You have to embrace this Piers if you espouse to embrace the freedoms that have now become uniquely American.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:39 | 3131967 a growing concern
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Exactly.  Why should you be allowed to say whatever you want to say?  Because it's in the fucking constitution, mother fuckers!  And that's why we kicked your fucking asses in the 18th century!  So fuck you then, and fuck you now, fucking British cunt!


/rant off

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 08:50 | 3132360 The Butchers Dog
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Sorry but I am going to have to disagree with the comment "because it is in the Constitution".

That is NOT why we have the rights we have.  The document's purpose was as a reminder to people (especially politicans) what the people's God given rights already are...  Not to be approved or infringed by government in any way by any law.

Just because a lawmaker creates a law does not mean you loose a right (in your obedience to the law you voluntarily give up your right).

"There are certain principles that are inherent in man, that belong to man, and that were enunciated in an early day, before the United States government was formed, and they are principles that rightfully belong to all men everywhere. They are described in the Declaration of Independence as inalienable rights, one of which is that men have a right to live; another is that they have a right to pursue happiness; and another is that they have a right to be free and no man has authority to deprive them of those God-given rights, and none but tyrants would do it. These principles, I say, are inalienable in man; they belong to him; they existed before any constitutions were framed or any laws made. Men have in various ages striven to strip their fellow-men of these rights, and dispossess them of them. And hence the wars, the bloodshed and carnage that have spread over the earth. We, therefore, are not indebted to the United States for these rights; we were free as men born into the world, having the right to do as we please, to act as we please, as long as we do not transgress constitutional law nor violate the rights of others... Another thing God expects us to do, and that is to maintain the principle of human rights... We owe it to all liberty-loving men, to stand up for human rights and to protect human freedom, and in the name of God we will do it, and let the congregation say Amen." - John Taylor, 1882,

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 10:46 | 3132717 jonan
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in the same manner that a marriage certificate "symbolizes" a couples love, the constitution "symbolizes" my god given other words, both peices of paper, and whatever modifications are made to it by shitheads up in DC, mean jack shit...

my rights originate from god within me, not from an external source, which is probably why most sheep think an external certificate solidifies a relationship that is internally fucked...

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 11:02 | 3132793 FrankDrakman
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 These principles, I say, are inalienable in man; they belong to him; they existed before any constitutions were framed or any laws made.

I always like to use the 'deserted island' test. Any inalienable right exists on a deserted island - the right to free speech, the right to free thought, the right to defend oneself against whatever comes, be it natural or manmade. In a society, we accept the limitations on some rights because they cause direct harm to others. For example, the right to swing my arms as I might ends at the tip of your nose; the right to free speech doesn't extend to shouting "fire!" in a crowded theatre. But the gun control nuts are practicising a form of prior restraint that is dangerous, unlawful (in the US), and unnecessary.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 17:14 | 3134115 deeznutz
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Tue, 01/08/2013 - 12:19 | 3133041 lincolnsteffens
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Correction, we also beat them off in the War of 1812 when the Brits decided to try a bit of revenge. That was the end of the Revolution.


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:49 | 3132272 Marge N Call
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Damn straight Prophet!

I love how Bloomberg says "President Obama agrees with your right to have a gun for hunting or self-defense".

REALLY? WOW, the President, who has sworn to protect the Constitution, actually says he will leave my Constitutional rights alone in some cases? FUCK HIM and BLOOMBERG.

It doesn't matter what Obama and Blookmberg THINK about guns, it's my right. How dare they be so arrogant about OUR RIGHTS?

Goverment cannot give you any rights, only take them away.


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 08:39 | 3132333 Patriot Eke
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I respectfully suggest you're missing it too.  My rights are natural, and no document grants them.  My rights are not "constitutional."  Governments control the documents written, and a constitution can be changed.  Magically, the mob could pass an amendment outlawing firearms, and then we would no longer have the "constitutional right."  Do you think such absurdity couldn't happen?  Look at prohibition.

Do not fall into or further the trap of "constitutional rights."  That's the goal after all.  The "constitutional right" will be removed.  We do not want to be arguing from that perspective now or ever.

The first American Revolution really started because the "British were coming!"  What your history books failed to tell you is that they were coming to confiscate weapons.  We did not go to war because of taxes or other abuses.  All hell broke loose when they came for our guns.  If another attempt is made to disarm us, another hot revolution will occur too.


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:31 | 3131950 ManOfBliss
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He *NEEDED* to be over the top to shut Piers the fuck up.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 02:52 | 3132074 SilverRhino
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Thomas Paine was a rabblerousing asshole as well.
The time for being nice or cultured is over.

It's time for assholes to step up. Fuck Piers Morgan.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:22 | 3133502 HardAssets
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Check out the story of another great American asshole - - Sam Adams

That guy was the pitbull of the American Revolution

Thank God for the renegades . . and for the assholes like Sam

May we all follow his example.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 15:25 | 3133753 SmoothCoolSmoke
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And John Adams?  I'm sure the NRA crowd would have called for his head after he successfully defended the British soldiers from the Boston Massacre.

John Adams proved one can be a great American without insisting America be right 200% of the time regardless of the situation.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 03:50 | 3132128 KrugerrandFan
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Got a lot of time for Alex but the accent thing didn't do him any favors.  Shame really.  You notice how Piers had to bring up 911 even though it was suppose to be about gun control, trying to discredit him with some of the viewers.  I understand that a lot of Americans would like to see Piers deported, but please, speaking as a Brit myself, don't send the arrogant little prick back here.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:36 | 3132259 myptofvu
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Alex Jones came off like a Buffoon. Having people rant and rave does not help gun proponents only hurts the cause. If a focus group watched this and was asked which person would you feel comfortable with owning a gun and which person would you like to see deported what answer do you think they would give?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 08:46 | 3132352 fightthepower
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If the focus group tries to take or register guns, they need to be shot in the face. The time to be nice is over.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:27 | 3133515 HardAssets
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Doesnt matter what a focus group 'thinks'

Only a small, energized minority makes things happen.

The majority follow along after all has already been decided.

Its up to the American citizens who are gunowners to decide this . .  not any 'lawmakers'.

What is Liberty worth to them ?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 15:11 | 3133700 Wile-E-Coyote
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I thought Alex came across very badly, not that you would notice on this blog. He will always only appeal to the camo clad weekend warrior, who is all talk an no action.

Alex can't debate, he is nothing more than a punk bully. So much for democracy.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:39 | 3131966 Cman5000
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I like how Alex Jones was on CNN but they did this on purpose to paint the gun crowd as paranoid conspiracy theorists.But that being said i was like holy shit this is great.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 12:28 | 3133067 SheepHerder
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+1 Glad to see someone recognized this.  Alex Jones points were spot on, but the way they were presented made him look crazy. If Americans see him as the poster child of those who want to keep their guns, I don't think he helped the cause.  

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 15:14 | 3133716 Wile-E-Coyote
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Yes and it worked beautifully, if there was ever an argument to remove guns Alex moved the debate on splendidly, though unitentionally. Especially the bit where he bragged he owns over 50 weapons, now that is worrying.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 03:09 | 3132103 lasvegaspersona
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willing to fight but  godhelpus if we have to follow AJ into battle. I'd much prefer someone with military experience and/or oathkeeper type. AJ is a rabble rouser and correct but He will not be the leader of the new 1776

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 15:16 | 3133721 Wile-E-Coyote
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No danger of AJ leading anyone into battle, the lard ass would be out of breath after a couple of steps.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 05:01 | 3132174 Dre4dwolf
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HAHAHAHA, Yea tomorrow is going to be a mess, the media are going APE SHIT right now trying to think of WTF they are gona say tomorrow..............

Two Out-Comes

1) They throw piers morgan under the buss (depends on comments they receive on social networking about the interview really because they will do anything to preserve ratings).

You could tell by the look on piers morgans face .... it was "fuck, im done for face, like "im never gona be able to start another show my news carriers is completely thrashed kinda face".




It really comes down to how willing their media personalities are to get flacked on social networks like Twitter, Emails Addresses, FaceBook w/e 

A lot of people are going to take heat this week.

OK maybe 3 possible outcomes....


3) Theres always the possibility they play dumb and don't even mention anything and keep their mouth shut in hopes no one was actually tuned in to CNN during the "debate" if you wana call it that, which considering since its CNN is POSSIBLE... cause only brain dead morons actually watch CNN, especially when Morgan is on....


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:49 | 3132271 Comay Mierda
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Option 4) stage more sandy hook type false flags

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 08:52 | 3132355 Patriot Eke
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Said false flags will conveniently always have a military style rifle used too.  There's no mistaking why they are being targeted.  A military style rifle is the primary weapon of the militia and best choice for defense against tyrannical government.  If they are ever given up, we would be forced to bring pistols (and other lesser weapons) to rifle fights.  No thanks!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:10 | 3131736 Bicycle Repairman
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The entire MSM is hitching their wagon to the gun issue. The best they can hope for is a Pyrrhic victory.

They're toast.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:53 | 3131849 Freddie
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F TV, MSM, Hollywood, CNN and Piers JP Morgan.   Only idiots who want to support the elites and support being serfs watch TV or Hollywood's crap.   All of them want to disarm you.

Keep up the good work sheep by watching TV.  Kudos to Alex Jones.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:25 | 3131778 otto skorzeny
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oregon would have been a better matchup

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:03 | 3131872 hound dog vigilante
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Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:43 | 3131830 Slop Bucket
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gig'em Aggies!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 12:22 | 3133048 Jeremy Roenick
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Roll Alex

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:03 | 3131714 mfoste1
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piers morgan=vaginal belch

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:22 | 3131764 Harbanger
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The queefer threatened to deport himself if Obama didn't act on gun control.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:32 | 3131955 thecoloredsky
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threatening who? England?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 05:46 | 3132197 Dre4dwolf
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Yea, they already started a petiton there saying they don't want him back, so you know.... they are kinda begging us to keep him or throw him into the ocean.


No sane nation would actually keep him for long.... I honestly don't get why him and Obama are "friends", I personally wouldn't be able to stand the guy.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:30 | 3131793 AGuy
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If Piers doesn't like the 2nd Amendment, then the solution is very simple. Leave america and go home to England or an country that prevents people from protecting themselves.



Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:26 | 3131934 TheProphet
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Well, if he did go home, and someone fileted him with a knife... well, I would be lying if I didn't say I'd have to hold back a smile at the irony.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 05:13 | 3132185 morph
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And if you don't like the first amendment....

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 10:03 | 3132539 Sketch
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maybe we should treat the 1st ammendment like the second - only legal citizens/permanent citizens (green card) get to 'use' it. I have no probelm with PM having an opinion, i DO have a problem with him using his MSM-granted platform to proclaim things - of this magnitude - against his guest country. if he wants to bad mouth the US, then he can do from the other side of the pond - Otherwise, pick up a history book, learn 'merican engrish, salute the flag and take the test.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:10 | 3131732 Arrowflinger
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Morgan looked like Custer at Little Big Horn. What looked like up arrows came raining back down. Alex Jones took no prisoner.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:16 | 3131753 john39
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Jones is right on the issues... But I fear that is not what matters to most average Americans who may watch that. They will only see an angry white male spouting off about a banker occupied government... All true, but Americans don't want to believe it, so instead they will see freedom advocates as dangerous lunatics (especially women). That is why Alex jones gets to go on CNN. The controllers have decided to herd the sheep. Will it work? Stay tuned...

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:24 | 3131775 Cynical_Observer
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Agreed - Alex is correct on the issues but does major damage to the cause by making a total @ss of himself and by extension, anyone who agrees with him.

What an embarasment....

CNN's goal was accomplished. The idea of Alex walking around with a concealed weapon doesn't exactly inspire feelings of security.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:37 | 3131813 TahoeBilly2012
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Jones knows exactly what he is doing. I watch him here and there, but look, without Jones antics and entertainment, people remain in a deep passive slumber. He isn't going to turn around 5 out of 10 viewers, but 1 out of 10 and that's what it takes. Someone to choke on their popcorn and say "WTF is this guy talking about? He's nuts but it's something new..."

He did great. Sure it's cheese wheez but ot works.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 05:49 | 3132198 Raymond Reason
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Exactly right.  The vast majority of people will never be converted, but that doesn't matter.  There are already too many gun owners to disarm, and Jones just added to that number.  To hell with polite debate.  To hell with political correctness.  War is coming, gold hoarders and gun owners, food hoarders are the enemy.  We should all start sounding like Jones. 

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 08:58 | 3132366 Patriot Eke
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I concur.  War is definitely coming.  The government wants to disarm us to make complete slaves out of our children.  You had better be fucking angry!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 09:50 | 3132456 Colonel
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+1 Agree about the polite debate. Wait until the leftards get all the guns then you'll see the nicey leftist mask fall off or you can read a history book about leftist regimes or you can open your damn eyes to leftist regimes like N.Korea etc... BTW anybody heard from Code Pink lately? Now you know where all the leftard "anti-war" protestors went.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 09:21 | 3132412 bunnyswanson
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Anger is exactly the expression that should be elicited from every single person in America today.  But thanks to the skewed news we are fed by the big corp, who all own shares in each other's countries, we get sound bits that are used for material on late night comedy shows.

Lack of confidence comes eventually.  That "out of sorts" feeling plagues everyone because we don't know what the fuck is going on. 

Piers Morgan is happy with globalization.  It has a place for him which will allow him to live well.  However, globalization has a message for the middle class on this planet:  "Your lifestyles are unsustainable." 

Now, take a minute and think about what that will mean when the cheap labor allows underbidding to the point there is no competition?  Facism is a miserable life for 99% of the people.  The ability to turn this around once it is set in will indeed take an act of God. 

Roll belly over and allow this fantasy of rich sheltered delusional power hungy men and you will be cursing your descendents to LIVING HELL.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:48 | 3133535 HardAssets
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And some think calm reason will actually work ?   Wake the f*ck up !

They don't want to debate you

They want to disarm you

Get it ?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:26 | 3131780 a growing concern
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Yeah I think a lot of people turn off any receptivity they may have had when you go full "truther" on them, regardless of the facts of the matter.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 02:07 | 3132011 hound dog vigilante
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meh. it's alex effing jones. big deal. he ain't running for office.  these one-party elections don't matter anymore so where's the harm?  who cares if pussified zombie america is offended?  fuck them.

some people are figuring out that the name of the game is survival, not nanny-state fallacies. corporatized western "democracies" are in decline (by any metric) and the correlating western monetary system is hanging by a thread. the charade of normalcy (in the US) is just about over.  look at the ratings trend of establishment-owned media - they're crumbling.  every day a passive TV-watching zombie dies, and a cynical wired noob is born. the FRB-sponsored wave of globalization is receding, and the little guys from all the nooks & crannies are meeting on the internet beach looking for truth shells and trying not to notice the garbage rotting all around them. long live the internet.

so jones is bleeding raw facts on primetime MSM.  good on him.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:36 | 3133549 HardAssets
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The banksters & their paid off traitors have raped this country . . . which the banksters see as an obstacle to creating their NWO.

Theyve set it up to bring it all down, and the results could be hellish.

Not a good time to be disarmed, at all.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 02:35 | 3132048 oldman
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He's more of a psycho than 'truther'

He really lost it in 2005/06----the tone of his show changed-----and the frequency of the rants increased-----I became bored by the constant attacks day after day

After this, though, I will make certain never to watch him again   he's a bore/boor/boar   om

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 06:12 | 3132210 Bloodstock
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Curiously, Piers LET AJ spout off with little interuption. Not like Piers at all. Something fishy here, even though AJ did get a lot of good information to the viewing audiences. Depends on what they heard and how they process it. Used to be an AJ fan but further research points to some doubt on his real agenda. Hard to trust anyone but your own common sense.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 09:11 | 3132390 CaptainObvious
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Alex could have done so much better.  I normally don't watch videos involving Alex Jones because he comes off as such a ranting buffoon, and this video was no exception, but he had that little limey wanker on the run, and he could have made him cry.  Alex was given a nice fat pitch..."the UK only had 35 gun murders last year."  Alex's response was batshit crazy...what he should have done was say "The number should have been ZERO since you have banned gun ownership.  Why did the UK government allow 35 of its citizens to be murdered with a gun?  Because the government cannot control every inlet for guns into the UK.  The criminals will always find a way to get guns and this is why the common citizen needs to be equally armed.  And if 35 people were murdered with a gun in the UK last year, that means there are way more than 35 illegal guns in the UK, since the percentage of people who murder with a gun is vastly smaller than the percentage of gun owners.  Why isn't the UK government doing its job?" etc.  For future interviews (assuming there are future interviews, which I doubt), Alex needs to tone down the batshit crazy and actually learn to counter the arguments he's presented with.  Then his legitimate talking points won't be dismissed out of hand and he might actually get through to some people and wake them up.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:25 | 3131779 vast-dom
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Zero Grace Jones' rant did not help the cause. He was psychotic on that show and his brit accent mockery was cheap. Jones behaves like a fucktard. 

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:57 | 3131859 Totentänzerlied
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Piers Morgan would still be a pompous prick with or without the pompous prick accent. In'nit mate?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:07 | 3132238 vast-dom
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As per below Ventura did it with grace, respect (both self and for someone who's opinions he clearly did not care for) and intelligence. Jones was a hysterical nutjob.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:14 | 3131895 Toxicosis
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Morgan came across as a professional journalist. Jones came across as a fucking loon. There was no debate, just Jones behaving like an ADHD or ODD child with a profound penchant for violence. Morgan attempted to have a debate and that fucking gun loving lunatic Jones over talked and bulldozed his way acting like a threatened little schoolgirl about to be told she couldn't go to the dance. He completely and utterly destroyed any credibility or legitimacy that he thought he had, and annihilated much support due to his outburst of the 2nd amendment. He showed himself to be the true confrontational threat he so readily despises by not at least attempting to have a civil debate. His performance may now stand as the biggest threat to gun owners in America. And so it should.
Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:37 | 3131962 TheProphet
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As was it was supposed to be.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:02 | 3132235 vast-dom
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Jones the NWO plant. I wouldn't disagree.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 02:47 | 3132067 Michaelwiseguy
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What would it be like if MSM TV gave Jones the full hour to debate in a more calm manner?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:04 | 3132236 vast-dom
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Why give him an hour when he so royally fucked up the 13mins? Job accomplished. You don't get a second chance to make his several bad first impressions.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 09:38 | 3132471 bunnyswanson
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I think you are mistaken.  People I talk to, randomly, when I ask point blank what their perception is of what is going on is they are so angry words cannot describe it.  Spittle and arms across the chest, shifting from one foot to another, that is their reaction.  This is the neighbors, people in Costco, store cashiers and patrons, anyone who stands by me for 30 secs is interviewed. 

Americans are polite when social graces are at stake.  But of course, a straw will fall eventually, and they will raise their voice and ask their representatives:  "Why with warning after warning, do you continue to steer the ship toward the iceberg?" 

Free press no longer exists.  I have not watched CNN since 1/12 and today am so proud of it.  (gave them all up other than local news).

 "For, By and of the People" but it looks like a coupe from here.  Craftly accomplished but not over yet.  One guy, about 70, said when I asked him, what if they confiscated guns, "it'll never happen." 

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 17:56 | 3134234 deeznutz
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"People I talk to, randomly, when I ask point blank what their perception is of what is going on is they are so angry words cannot describe it."


What actual question(s) do you use? How are things phrased?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:44 | 3132267 Fist full of CDOs
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Somebody should check what drugs Jones is on... 

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:29 | 3131928 Jam Akin
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Check this link out by way of contrast.  Jesse Ventura debating Piers Morgan on gun control from back in September.  Jesse gets the whole studio audience on board with his argument very effectively.  Jones just looks like an idiot.


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:46 | 3131976 Cman5000
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Great debate Piers nearly wet himself.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 06:35 | 3132227 Poor Grogman
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Great link,

No one ever said that standing up for what is right would be easy.

I stand with the Big Guy...

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:12 | 3132241 vast-dom
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Thanks Jam -- this illustrates my point perfectly. Ventura made his points respectfully and effectively. Self-respect by respecting the host whom he clearly did not agree with. Let me say I'm for guns and despise MSM. Jones is a moron and proves it, again. As per Tyler: we devolve again into Jerry Springer grade bs, again and again.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:59 | 3132283 nmewn
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When Piers brought up semi-auto rifles Jones should have brought up the Georgia mom hiding in the closet with her twins and only a .38 revolver.

If she would have had a Bushmaster...

the fucker would be dead.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:43 | 3133572 HardAssets
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There's no problem with mutliple attacks from mutliple angles. From calm to fanatic.

What many don't seem to understand, is this is not a debate. The bankster controlled antis don't give a rip about debate.

They want the American people disarmed so they can have their NWO.

People are so damned lame and passive today, that when they see a little anger - they don't seem to be able to handle it.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 15:25 | 3133750 Wile-E-Coyote
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AJ's fake Brit accent made him look 10yrs old. I was sitting watching and couldn't believe how he fell into Piers trap. The gun nuts loved the interview but the majority of balanced Americans would have been horrified.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 16:47 | 3134030 Cathartes Aura
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The gun nuts loved the interview but the majority of balanced Americans would have been horrified.

to which the "gun nuts" would reply,

"Fuk da sheeple they're too stupid to love AJ, but we're on the ball, and we KNOW, and WE HAVE THE GUNS, and the TRUTH, so come AT US, we're all WAITING FOR YOU, stupid SHEEP"  

etc. etc.

which is exactly where amrka is in this moment, taking sides, hating on the "others" and wanting what THEY want, whatever that might be - a perfect space for whatever happens next.

for the record, I'm against disarming folks, but those angry, spittle-flecked arm crossed CostCo shoppers that bunnyswanson mentions above?  they don't inspire any confidence in me.  nor do most of the shouty, fuck everyone who disagrees with ME on this thread and others.

from over here, it just looks like those who love to follow have found another man to fit the leader bill. . .


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:01 | 3131706 kliguy38
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Piers looked a little putrid when Alex went full rant..........first time I've seen a grown man wet himself in on TV. Good Job Jones.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:20 | 3131763 Everybodys All ...
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That was one helluva rant!!!  Guys if you have not seen this you have to watch it.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:44 | 3131834 ball-and-chain
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Why does Alex got to yell all the time?

He can't control himself.

He needs meds.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 00:55 | 3131852 Stoploss
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Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:15 | 3131900 Mr Pink
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AJ makes video 1 hour after CNN appearance


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 02:52 | 3132076 Michaelwiseguy
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Thanks for the link Pink.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 07:16 | 3132243 vast-dom
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AJ using all of these examples as excuses in the vid. Is AJ working for the other side? And what "mafia" did AJ tell off? He's playing the fool and the idiot. And the idiots here at ZH root for this.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:19 | 3131913 TheProphet
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Congratulations Piers, you found the one guy on the planet who would be your shill for his own benefit in order to make you look reasonable.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 01:20 | 3131914 TheProphet
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Congratulations Piers, you found the one guy on the planet who would be your shill for his own benefit in order to make you look reasonable.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!