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Piers Morgan Vs Alex Jones - The "Gun Fight" At The CNN Corral
With the Notre Dame vs Alabama game a complete one-sided demolition, the night was in desperate need of some entertainment... until Piers Morgan and Alex Jones stepped in. While the headline topic was "guns", it was 13 minutes of unbridled spitting, stuttering, and screaming, which achieves nothing in converting anyone on the fence on either side of the "gun control" argument, but certainly helps with CNN's sagging Nielsen ratings, which after having become disinformation central following the Obamacare "rejection" and the NYSE floor "flooding", is now slowly but surely converting itself into the Jerry Springer show for Gen Y. If nothing else, this is far more fun than watching the all too controlled Notre Dame implosion.
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Every platform is an outlet that appeals to a certain segment of the population. Some platforms have commonalities, and they are all "allowed" to exist as a form of control in the system. Once a person finds the platform that best matches their way of thinking they can vent and nod their head in agreement. This helps prevent serious discussions in the populous and protects the status quo. Zero Hedge , my favorite outlet, is just another program in the matrix, another system of control. If it ever became a real threat it would be eliminated.
+2 points.
E.g., Capital Account (the ZH of YouTube), was vaporized by predictably luring Lauren Lyster over to Yahoo Finance.
I swear these guys (Elite) simply hang different pest strips all over the place -- or use/leverage them as such -- to attract the respective pests to each. After that, it's just hi tech, project management and media craft.
No, real change might start at places like ZH, but it does not grow by staying public. You'd have to use/leverage the principles and craft of secret societies. FC Rules?
+3
hearts & minds baby, hearts & minds
True.
Yet ZH is still the best fight club, in my opinion. The controllers are too arrogant and full of hubris, so they will pull the plug long after their demise is assured, and their body lives, but they are doomed.
Good.
Uum, yeeaah. I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. I've seen plenty of deep discussion and disagreement on this site. Granted, plenty of venting, but not all nodding in agreement.
Zerohedge a system of control? Bullshit, I say...which proves my point.
You just proved my point, an outlet for you to vent steam. That's it. I'm not saying the TPTB put this system in place, but they allow it to exist because it fulfills their purpose. The moment the Hedge becomes a serious threat is the moment they would extinguish it.
Democide: governments have killed more than 260 million people in just the last one hundred years.
http://www.infowars.com/democide-government-killed-over-260-million-in-t...
Given the finite size of the planet, its dwindling resources, the size of global population and birth rates outside the Western world, they are doing a piss-poor job, some would argue.
If/when the so-called Elite get going, you'd expect at least a 10-20x increase. And don't be daft... They will want to use tiny, tiny GMOs, to keep Nature as pristine as possible for themselves, I'd wager.
30 years ago Ron Paul would appear on the Morton Downey Jr., show and have similar rants about the 2nd amendment, sound money, gooberment spending, etc. I am not suggesting that AJ will one day morph into a toned down Ron Paul, but Alex is 38, married with young children. Perhaps passion is amplified naturally when you know that unless you do something to stop the train wreck America has become, your children will never understand the phrase "land of the free, home of the brave." At the very least these rants may draw in the phsyco -tropic pill popping, short attention span citizen of today. Getting these low information, Kardashian following idiots to wake up and smell the constitution may very well be the greatest challenge of all. Obnoxiousness excites, NPR-ish wimpy speak bores.
For these low information, Kardashian following idiots, Alex Jones is just more reality TV entertainment.
I wouldn't know a Kardashian if she sat on my face.
Is it anything like a Klingon?
Kim Cardassian needs the Banzai treatment.
Does any family have more addictions than the fucking Kennedy's.
Have another 10 drinks Patrick.
True.
Laughable, isn't it...if it were not for ordinary people sufferng for the two faced lying bastids in politics, banks and media.
The show goes on, and on, and bloody on.
The Kennedys - the beloved royalty of money grubbing whores. Yet the Democrats do so like to admire and emulate them.
Modern Repugnants do too.
Watching Pro Wrestling is more authentic than watching these two jerks with their phoney schtick and actually less entertaining too. Hell, Jones shows up in jeans and a black turtleneck.
How desperate is CNN? Amazing shit. I would like to see CNN go down this path more often. They need more Alex Jones', jesse venturas', as well as the whole cast of coast to coast a.m. Maybe they can dig up the corpse of Art Bell and prop him up in a chair. Lets face it. Cable "news" programs are tomfoolery. Writer Neil Postman in his must read scathing and humorous indictment of the media and television in general nailed the absurdity of what we witness on cable news in his book, 'Amusing Ourselves To Death.' I will paraphrase like this;'the television is an absurd medium for public discourse. Therefore the television is only of "value" to culture when people do not take it seriously, in other words; it is at its "best" when it is at it's most absurd. Whatever positive "message" trying to be communicated gets lost because the medium is metaphor. The t.v. is only a visual display of images and pictures and is not programming that the human brain can program. As for televisions junk? The only "good" things on t.v. are its junk! let the morons and miscreants stare into oblivion at the picture tube as their inactive minds rot! The worse thing then televisions 'junk' is for intelligent people to waste their time and gorge their brains on the complete lard that spews from "news and informational" programing. They think they are getting informed or educated, but are experiencing the exact same cerebral rot of the "reality" t.v. watching 'groundlings.'
I give it to CNN there. Lets see more of it. Lets get George Nory a seat at the collective table. Lets move 'finding bigfoot' to cnn and take over Wolf Shitzers slot.
Chicken Noodle News is bread and circuses for the masses...without the bread.
They wouldn't last a second with Brother N or Les Visable.
I could feel Jones' frustration at the attempt to make him look like a paranoid tin-foil hat wearing example of a domestic terrorist, lone nut, that the NDAA was designed to round up and keep far, far away from "normal" people. I kept hoping he could hold it together without blowing a blood vessel but then, he lost the plot, crossed the line, and lamed out with that Brit accent that was about as mature as when one kid repeats everything the other kid says in an attempt to get them to hit him. That was painful and embarrassing to watch. Anyone listening to him at that point just cringed and wrote him off as a total asshole. That pompous prick got to him - cue damage control.
Whether loud or nice cnn is going to try to make opponents look stupid. Well some people say alex went off but if you remember the other guy that was on Pierces last gun show he was very polite and Pierce kept telling him he was an idiot. So power needed to be used. If your nice they will pounce if loud they say he's crazy. The thing is this showdown is about much more than guns. White house came out with statement after show. So i think they heard Alex loud and clear. We are talking about people throwing away 200 years of the basis of American law not exactly a coffee table discussion.
Chicken Noodle News is propaganda, and no wealthy sane person or plain working person has time to watch it, or cares about it.
That is CNN's problem: it gets a big 'meh' from the productive economy.
Fun for ZHers to read about this stuff and nonsense, and lamast the idiots at Chicken Noodle News, and their political useless freaks.
Pimp Morgan is a rootless cosmopolitan. Ordinary Brits don't want him, and neither does the USA. He is the typical money whore - loyal to no one, and loathed by most.
The other guy was Larry Pratt, Director of Gun Owners of America. He made his points in a barrage of insults and personal attacks from Piers Morgan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwaxY5YNK1Y
And finally...
Remember that Pimp Morgan is a subject of the Queen, not a citizen in any land. He is a servant, raised to obey. His record in Britain shows that he is a hateful two-faced liar; a nasty person who would do anything to earn his pittance.
Pimp Morgan serves foreign interests, and CNN belittles itself by employing him.
He profited off insider trades punted by his lowly reporters and he previously served the pension fund thief publisher Maxwell at the socialist Daily Mirror newspaper, and he published fake pictures of British troops allegedly abusing Iraqis - fake pictures.
Pimp Morgan got corrupt money, while his reporters went to jail and others died for his profit. He is a two faced lying bastid; a money whore socialist when it suits him, a money whore capitalist running dog when it suits him.
A pet of the monarchy always suits him. Zeig Heil!
Well, if the goal was to raise awareness, I'd say it's mission accomplished, the video started popping up on Irish websites a couple of hours ago, like, in the middle of the night,
Good job Mr Jones,
Here in Ireland, guns are banned, oh goody, how righteous we are,
you just have to ignore the fact that we are oppressed by an utterly corrupt authoritarian govt, who themselves are just the puppets of the completely unaccountable fckn EU tyrants,
As long as that doesn't bother ye, life is just great,
Btw - Morgan is one of the worst human beings on the face of the earth!
Irish forever, to thine own self be true. That bitch Morgan is a slave of the Nazi Crown.
He's an uppity social climbing Welsh boy who went to London, and has served any master ever since. Silly bint, he is. Hateful rootless profiteering cosmopolitan, he is.
Roger that Ribeye. Alex has praised the Irish spirit more than once. After the shellacking that the Tiger of europe has taken from the Brits (again!) its astounding to me that more of "us" don't get it and vote to bail out the banksters.
The unelected EU tyrants is right. You've just got to listen to Nigel Farage to know how things stand there. Good luck to we unarmed.
The Irish have long been oppressed by the Brits...you're just now noticing this?
Alan Shatter has Ireland's best interests at heart, I'm sure.
It's worth heading over to the infowars website and watch the after-show video Jones put up.
Apparently he and his crew are being cased by NYPD and they are worried about getting killed.
Also, they cut the segment short because Jones was going to talk to Alan Dershowitz next.
Oops.
Now alex needs to visit Nancy Grace's program.
:-)
How much does AJ's biz model make him a year? Ah yes, nothing like a RICH 'conspiracy theorist'! Or a rich Agent Provocateur... just ask Limbaugh. All well paid actors and shills, who by now actually believe the stuff they are peddling. And hope you do too.
Real movements grow deep roots, not just widespread 'runners', while counting FRNs. Where your treasure is, there is your heart also.
Sorry folks, the second ammendment didn't work. We have already been overan by a tyrannical regime...
Piers Morgan and Woody Allen like a couple bitchez bitching about shoes.
Or was that Lou Holtz with Piers Morgan at the end?
Who knows anymore.
"Alex Jones, you are a boldface, rotten, little coward liar." -William Cooper, September 2001 (a few weeks before the cops killed him):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jJMYJbAKc
WTF was Morgan thinking when he opted to tangle with Jones? We're talkin about the "real" Demolition Man here. And needless to say, Jones is 100% correct... as usual.
Alex Jones is an embarrasment to himself and his cause. I believe in the right to bear arms, but the constitution was written in a time of single action guns that took two weeks to reload after you mined the lead and molded the bullets yourself. There's no reason anyone needs an assault weapon for self-defense, and if you feel like you need an AR-15 for self-defense you're probably better off spending that money on therapy. The gov't doesn't even have the resources to fund what it's supposed to do now let alone try to takeove the country or your self-centered home. You can keep your handguns and hunting rifles and we'll keep track of who is trying to accumulate an arsenal and attempting to kill mass amounts of people. I don't understand why pro-gun people can't see the nuance in this argument. There can be increased gun regulation without tyranny. It's not all or nothing biatches.
So called Homeland Security has acquired ammunition five times greater than the U.S. population, and recently contracted to acquire more.
Ask yourself why the government is acquiring ammunition to kill U.S. citizens.
I am afraid of guns, but I am more afraid of government, and its fascist NDAA, signed by Obama in the night 1/1/12.
You need to get real, boy. Your neighbor is not your enemy, unless you live in a crime infested drug addled place.
It is wrong for the government of the USA to plot against the people, and arm to kill the people.
My husband says it ends at our gate, and he will defend us against any intruder.
Gun crime has risen with the use of drugs, legal and illegal. IF politicians wanted to end gun crime in modern times, then they would address the drug issue. They don't. They want control. Drugs are a useful way to control people.
Obama and all the other pretty political bankster pets surround themselves with guns, and send their children to schools guarded with guns, but they think it is ok to wage endless war - send some mother's poor boy to war - while they sit fat and happy off tax money, surrounded by armed body guards, and tell everyone else to be defenseless.
NO.
Fuck you, dumbass! I hope your family gets home invaded and killed and you have nothing to protect them. See if it's all or nothing then, stupid mother fucker!
Oh you're a real class act you are.
You realy dont meen that!
Your just agry!
Calm down!
you're walking right into a trap with that attitude.
You're missing the fact that back then, that level of firearm was somewhat equal to the level of firearm that could be brought to bear against you. With todays weapons, you would be cut to shreds before you could load up for a follow up shot. Even an AR type firearm doesn't achieve parity with what might be fielded against you, but at least you could conceivably make the aggressor really earn it.
With that logic then we should all have nuclear weapons in our basement, so we're on par with the gov't. That will keep us safe from tyranny. Pro gun people use this tyranny argument about some fantasy land paranoid gov't takeover to justify their position, but please explain to me the practicalities of how that is going to happen? Alex's Fema camp theory? And WHY would they do that again? They're already enslaving us via the mind numbing conditioning of the mass media into consuming machines and devaluing our currency so we're too busy to see the loss of freedom taking place, so why would they want to takeover and physically enslave us? Somehow we didn't lose control of the country when assault weapons were banned during the Clinton era.
I'm with you on the NDAA, the Patriot Act overreach, the overmedication of American, the coroporate control of Congresss...and the practical realities of the constitution in our modern world. When it was written it was POSSIBLE for the gov't to takeover the country. That might be possible in other parts of the world. It is not possible here. And there is no motivation. We don't live in Nazi Germany. The British aren't coming. We don't have to form a militia for the post-apocalyptic attack of zombies on the horizon. No one's coming to get you.
Hundreds of millions of dead people slaughtered by governments might disagree with you.
Maybe you should do a little reading beyond the pages of the Huffpo. I suggest starting with the Federalist papers. Then maybe you can get an understanding as to why the right to bare arms goes beyond the right to hunt and even the right to protect our homes. It is to prevent tyranny of government , and the founding fathers absolutely felt that civilians should possess firearms equal to the military.
EXACTLY!!!!
I bring this up every time one of my idiot friends says "So you think should be allowed to own a tank!?"
You bet your ass I should and not only that, there are normal citizens who already own private armies for Christ's sake! Ever hear of Erik Prince?!
Fucking naive idiots the lot of them.
ehrrrr, not so sure I'd classify Erik Prince as a "normal citizen". . .
ex-CIA profiteer, sure, but "normal citizen" - O.o
but sure, let's campaign for all the angry dudes to have their own private armies, and go after each other, endlessly. . .
You're ignoring the common factor in this recent spate of mass killings, which is the point Alex Jones was making. They were all on psychotropic meds. If 'Murrica stops dosing itself up, the mass killings will decrease. Somebody bent on killing lots of people doesn't need a gun, as the knife-wielding loony in China proved by killing 20+ people in his rampage. Somebody bent on killing lots of people doesn't even need a semi-auto gun. So banning the semi-auto guns out of hand is a ridiculous overreaction to the issue that completely ignores the main issue...people are out of their freaking minds from taking some poorly researched, inadequately tested psychotropic medications that were rammed through the approval process with political power and FRNs and that magnify their psychoses and cause them to commit these heinous acts. Ban the DRUGS, not the GUNS.
99.99%+ of people on ssris don't go out and kill lots of people.
How is this a serious argument? Do you have the slightest understanding of research methods or statistics?
The population of people who would kill lots of people are mainly emotionally distrubred - the very people who, with or without their own volition, would have been in treatment and likely placed on psychotropics.
Blaming the medicine makes zero scientific sense when the vast, vast majority of people do not become violent.
sorry, it's a bullshit argument. It shows a real lack of a grasp of basic logic.
"but the constitution was written in a time of single action guns that took two weeks to reload after you mined the lead and molded the bullets yourself"
Yes, and that's what the government had for weapons as well. Today, the government has main battle tanks, M249s, nuclear missiles, high tech jails/surveillance grid etc. So it's just normal that people own simple AR15s to balance it out a bit. There's nothing proving an AR15 deadlier than a 9mm glock when you know how to handle both professionally.
I like AJ, but he went ballastic. He admits this mad ranting approach has a negative effect to listeners that are new. He is a passionate guy, and walks the talk. He needed to chill out like Jesse and school Morgan more calmly. He definitely lost the female audience with his rant. A video debate would have been better if AJ could have talked from his studio, maybe he would be more calm. Morgan was definely baiting him with 911 questions .. why even bring it up. Had nothing to do with the debate subject. This will be learning lesson for AJ when he reviews the show...
Mr T,
I hope you are right. I've never heard of Alex Jones, but I do know that Pimp Morgan is a two faced liar, and anything he says is wrong, and serves the Nazi Crown, as he is a subject of the Crown, not a citizen of any land.
He is a House slave. Wrong.
We don't want Piers Morgan back, we have a petition to stop him returning to the UK. Maybe someone could find him a job in Afghanistan or Syria.
Quite.
It is a pity that Pimp Morgue is allowd to spew his money grubbing useless opinion on all, especially given that he was the editor of socialist fanzine Daily Mirror which published fake pictures of British troops abusing Iraqis....he profited off insider trading when his journos pumped shares and those journos went to jail while he kept his profits...and he profited when the publisher of the Daily Mirror, Robert Maxwell, robbed the company's pension fund, and those pensioners were ruined, destitute.
Pimp Morgue is a money whore.
Whatever you think of what they have to say, Piers Morgan certainly deserved that.
Morgan was implanted in that chair to elicit that very type of reaction.
SOOO how about the fact that only handguns were used to kill those poor kids at Sandy Hook, and the "assualt rifle" in the trunk, which apparently even alex fucking jones didn't know wasn't used, turned out to be a goddamned shotgun.
i swear to jumpin jesus that if these fucktards in the media had gotten a single thing correct in their initial reporting it would have been a goddamned miracle.
the FUD is deeeeeep on this one, people.
Yep. All the politically motivated fucktards dance on the graves of children, as per usual. Facts are a minor inconvenience. It doesn't matter that some poor mother grieves for her child.
BTW, the alleged shooters in Sandy Hook and Colorado were on psychotropic drugs, and eye witnesses said they saw someone else by the shooters. But the eye witness reports don't suit politics.
The same thing happened in Britain when a gun toting paedophile linked to Scottish politicians opened fire at a school in Dunblane, the worst massacre of children in the UK.
i know, i've been telling anyone who will listen about the drug angle, and i was talking to an uncle who is an army veteran and an engineer, he's a very straight laced analytical person and not generally prone to conspiracy theories and even he brought up the fact that there were some initial reports of additional suspects outside the premises where these shootings occurred and that as time goes we heard nothing else about it. i certainly wouldn't exactly be surprised were i to find out that it were true that these people were "handled."
They were 'handled', and my previous comment to you was delayed with words 'access denied'.
Pimp Morgan serves the Nazi Crown, and their paedophile secrets, their wish to abuse all, and keep guns only for their use.
He is too much of a social climber to realise how his shallow self is useful to the Nazi Crown. Eejit, he is.
hey man i'm not that far down the rabbit hole yet but if these false flags keep coming and they gin up enough support to actually make a grab for our guns we're really in for a shitstorm. i have to admit at this point, at least some part of me wants to see them try soon, because the longer it takes for a real catalyst for secession the less likely it is to actually happen, and i really do think in a few generations at most, probably sooner, american citizens will at best find themselves in the position of picking up their "sporting irons" from their big brother sanctioned and secured location on the way to the shooting range or deer stand. the trajectory for actual freedom in this country has generally been in decline since the moment the constitution was ratified.
reading through the rest of the comments, i have not been an alex jones fan to say the least, and i also think he did ok. ask any of my friends and family about being fingerprinted for owning a rifle much less the idea of placidly giving up <insert gun here; semi auto rifle, handguns, etc> (some of which would be century-old heirlooms) and you'd get much the same reaction... if you want em so bad, come and take them, motherfuckers.
The only time I wish CNN's ratings weren't dropping like 12 year olds testicles...
Yeah Alex!
I was surprised how mcuh the big guy from Austin got in. The producers had planned that he be in the third segment to "discuss" the points with Dershoshitz but they pulled him from that promised confrontation allowing The Academic control freak his unbrideled bilge rant.
All in all a good swan song for the Morg and Chicken Noodle News.
I find it strange that Alex Jones want to deport someone who is exercising his right to free speech.
AJ was just embarrasing in this "interview". I can agree with him on some points but for fuck's sakes, calm down and have a conversation where you lay down the facts instead of going off on a crazy rant.
Having an opinion toward a govt not our own iis one thing, but to advocate changing a legal document that has a profound impact on the citizens in hysteric and indignant (how does that happen anyway??) fashion is a bit much.
His "right" to free speech? Piers Morgan is not a U.S. citizen. The protection of the Constitution (you know, that thing he likes to trash) doesn't apply.
who cares, piers morgan deserves to be slapped around. jones was mostly right, even if i think he might actually be unstable. at least jones didn't wave his carry piece under that limey's nose i'll bet he would have shit himself.
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Move on, nothing unexpected.
That 'american' gun control is such a fantasy.
This show is another exhibition on how to stage that fantasy.
'Americans' run an extorting of the weak, farming of the poor business. Free men could anytime relinquish guns. But running an extorting of the weak, farming of the poor business comes with constraints.
Bad idea to drop guns when guns are so vital tools to use by the enforcers of the extorting of the weak, farming of the poor schemes.
This is one of the primary reasons 'americans' cant but stage their fantasy about guns control/ban.
The other primary reasons for it to be only a fantasy is that 'american' economics is all about consumption.
'Americans' will usually select solutions that increase or maintain the volume of consumption and exclude solutions that shall decrease the volume of consumption.
So when talking about gun ban/control, here's what to expect:
-some kind of laws that will aim at the following: maintain or increase the supply while putting forward an urge to remove the supplied goods.
Supply: consumption
Removal:consumption
Drugs, guns, etc the same 'american' approach
Other forms of consumption to expect: stuff like check points, securization of perimeter etc more consumption as it will sell surveillance cameras, scanners, employ security guards etc
Stuff tailored for kids: at present times, 'americans' are busy killing third world kids. No much aggregate demand to expect from those ones.
But look for bullet proof jackets especially tailored for kids, shields tailored for kids or stuff like that. More consumption.
By the way, this video is another fine example of how 'americans' killed debating. Those two 'american' pundits are just here to do the 'american' thing: consume.
None of them will ever touch any fact that would put them out of their talking heads job.
None of them will ever tell that discussing a gun control thingie in the US is total fantasy.
None of them will tell that as 'americans' run a business of extorting the weak, farming the poor, dropping down the guns is not an option on the table.
None of them will tell that 'american' economics is all about consumption and therefore 'americans' usually look for solutions to increase or maintain consumption, not decrease it.
Cause? Simple again. If they had brought those facts in the debate, it would have finished as soon as it was done. Nothing more to add.
Which would have gone against the fact that 'american' economics is all about consumption.
'Americans' are trapped in 'americanism'
It draws a quasi certain future. But as so many 'americans' make a living playing the fortune tellers (as according to the fact 'american' economics is all about consumption), get used to hearing everywhere 'american' that the future is very uncertain...
Fortune tellers can not make money off a certain future. When absent, they have to stage uncertainty.
Umm... WAT?
Actually, that wasn't too bad an-anon. I didn't even bother watching. They are both commercial-pedaling crap-artistes. One pretends to be conservative, and the other pretends to be libertarian.
But both seem to be paid/supported and kept on air by the same people.
Haha. As a troll, you have nothing on Million Dollar Bonus. You got to work on your comedy better.
So if it's not the guns then I suppose you are saying that it's the people right?
So therefore the implication is that Americans are a violent people full of hatred for their fellow man - because nowhere else on earth do we see the level of violent crimes that we do in America
How about the Syrian elections ? I believe Asad's current bid to win another term .... eclipses the money we spent on our last election !
Try Mexico. USA may be high on the list but it's not "nowhere else on Earth".
Anyway I agree that it is "the people" as in situation they are in and their learned responses to problems. BTW what about dropping these violent crimes level to about 50% in last 20 years? Maybe they start to get it and this culture is getting somewhat rehabilitated.
Also, on the side of that, crime levels in USA are significantly higher in metropolitan areas (voting left...) and way lower in flyover country of these stupid bible thumpers where 'erry man has his guns ready and loaded.
It's the gangs, muthafucka, and they don't vote. "get off my land" means nothing when you don't have a shot gun on your hip....in the countryside where it's wideopen.
Sources:
http://www.dosomething.org/tipsandtools/11-facts-about-gangs#
Being able to sleep well through the night is made possible when your home is protected by what all man fear, "say good-night Irene."
Alex Jones is INSANE (and a stupid man)
What the fuck kind of a country has a man from another country attack its liberties on public Television? Fuck you fagot, get the fuck out of this country!
",,,shall not be infringed,,," means do not fuck with! PERIOD!
Piers Morgan is a rude host ! He got a little of his own medicine ! Go back to interviewing Barbra Streissand .... that was a real love fest ! Alex Jones gets it .... fight fire with more fire !
Jones looked like a nut job because that is what he is with zero cred.
Piers' usual MSM format for a discussion: Liberal host + three liberals + one moderate conservative !
You would never hear Rush Limbaugh tell a caller: "You are a stupid, ignorant man !" The left does it all the time !
the republician militia types fully support the financing of the mighty American military that they then claim they require guns to protect themselves from. Good business on both sides for the military industrial complex that the same militia types are trying to defend themselves from (try stop giving them money for their guns).
The argument that a gun will protect a family from stealth fighters is equally ridiculous.
No government in entiry history could rule without some for of support from their vict... citizens. You can't just kill them all - they won't do what they're told when they are dead. Even slaves had to accept "a deal" - life for obedience.
Now, to terrorize populace into submission - no sophisticated trickery like democracy, just the iron fist - you need much less effort if they can only fight back with fists and feet. Two armed cops can go and brutalize any person or family with no risks. If there is a gun in every house and ruled know that they are being screwed, hate thier oppressors - they may still not be able to meet military in open combat. But that is not the objective here. You just need to stay not-fully-suppressed for a few years. Military will get starved out, or more likely eventually desert rulers en masse.
You're ignorant. We need to protect ourselves from the new "security" apparatus that is being built. And from their use of non-state actors.
As for the military, it is full of nationalists and constitutionalists and a military take-over is the last thing the "commissars" want.
I rarely post (but read daily, thanks ZH) and I feel compelled to address the 'what good will your guns do against stealth fighter' BS.
It might do no good, however I refuse to lay down and stick my ass in the air for more fucking.
Liberty or death.
Fuck these fascist assholes.
Calm down Alex. Take it easy. Make the valid points and let the idiot make a fool of himself !
Oh-my-fucking-god. Cringe-a-thon...i would love to have a go at Morgan, but that was just absurd. America has a real tiger by the tail.
Speaking as a Brit, buy that man a pint of cider. Jones is OTT but he tells the truth, while I caught Morgan in at least one lie.
Alex Jones not helping himself there !!!! LOL he's so happy to be on CNN i can't stop the "globalist-zionist-bankster-whatever" crap ;-)
Alex lost the debate when the 9-11 conspiracy BS came up, he was great until then. This allowed Piers to pass Alex off as some kook....
Do you think he should have implicated individual people? By now, eveyone knows the corruption has spread to all wings of govt and that it sprouted from the financial industry, and that it's tentacles have spread across the whole fucking globe. Media has been feeding us a script right out of Hollywood and here the country stands, broke, desperate, and forward means going off the cliff because it's the only road left. yet, no one seems disturbted who should be...the messengers are movie star - like and all say the same phrases because they are all working for the same person, well rested, richer than stink, and globally, the world is their oyster because money opened that door. Yeah...it's like saying "jew." Forbidden except by other jews.
Oh I don't know. At this point you either have ventured down that uncomfortable rabbit hole or you haven't. Most people who realize there are some serious questions with the "official conspiracy theory" have already informed themselves. If you're already a sceptic of the official conspiracy story then it actually makes AJ look better. If one can't take the uncomfortableness to ever even venture down that rabbit hole then yes he might look like a loon. But frankly most of us know perfectly rational not unhinged individuals who will openly admit they have questions with the official conspiracy theory if you engage them privately.
I think AJ came off as unhinged and unreasonable in general. I can see a lot of women and the effeminate men in our society totally freaking out that AJ is case and point why we need to repeal the second amendment. Its not my first experience with AJ and I have read his same arguments when they are rationally and calmly expressed so I am not going to fall for this set up job.
Piers invited him on because he knew AJ would go all crazy and make a scene rather than rationally discuss the issue. This creates ratings for Piers and advances his agenda.
The best person who took on Piers was Jesse Ventura because we was able to engage Piers and make points without just shouting and remaining totally unresponsive to his questions.
It's pointless to have a discussion about guns. If you let the people you fear merely talk you out of your guns, what is the point?
Like pro wrestling, but with a serious topic. I can't believe how many ZHer's think Jones is real or that his performance somehow helps their cause to protect the 2nd Amendment. He's being painted as emotionally unbalanced.
Americans aren't going to do shit when the government comes for their guns. They never stopped coming for them, and most don't even realize it. Let the ATF pick their kids up from school and see how quickly the average American coughs up his weapons just to save "the children". All government has to do is give fat assed Americans justification to fold and they will, just like they have on everything else. We wouldn't be in all the messes we are today if Americans were any different. Keep dreaming, but whatever you do, don't turn off that TV!
whose kids are the atf going to pick up? how many atf agents do you think there actually are? do you really think they could start taking people's children and keep it a secret? i don't think you understand the implications. it's far too soon for those kinds of tactics.
many anti AJ posts here from EU land and i would say trolls..the facts got out on the msm topics never touched by msm are so many he need to monopolize the time he had, and they cut that short with the follow on planned.
do we know all the facts about NWO BANKS and even all the facts on 911...no some things may be totally wrong, but the MSM will never bring these topics to the public..thank you ALEX.
for the deniers and haters of free speech go to hell.
Statistics show that, Watching CNN more the ten minutes, you became Stupid, and Neurons are gone forever, gone...Hay que tener cuidado...
http://theintelhub.com/2013/01/08/armed-mafia-stalk-alex-jones-post-piers-morgan-debate-video-report/
Alex Jones after the interview (in his hotel room).
The funny thing about that one is the gold-colored center of the strip at the bottom of the video frame where A.Jones and his staff ask: "Prey For Us!!" - so are we supposed to be the zombie cannibals or the entre' here?
Or, perhaps Alex and his staff don't pray much, or at least don't write it all that often.
Alex Jones should not be allowed to have a butter knife...or an internet connection.
I wish I had seen this before I bothered responding to your other idiotic comment below. A statist tyrant who doesn't like guns and wishes he could silence people who disagree with him. How unremarkable!
A gun doesn’t fire bullets unless someone pulls the trigger of that gun.
If the government wants to guarantee everyone’s safety is that a money-back-if-you’re-not-alive guarantee ?
I am from the UK and if that interview was played in the UK I think that the reaction would be very much in support of Piers. Only 35 people got murdered in the UK at the point of a gun but over 11,000 did in the USA. The fact is that people in the UK just do not understand the US love of the gun when so many people die from being shot.
Piers was asking questions that a typical British person would ask. I dont know Alex Jones but he just did not answer the question about why people need to have assault rifles.
hogs. four legged and otherwise.
but seriously who gives a shit what brits think about american gun laws, you've already been neutered.
Wow, Brits would support a fellow Brit. Color me full of surprise.
Americans don't understand why you Brits make a distinction between getting strangled to death and getting shot. We'd just rather have the means to defend ourselves instead of pissing and moaning.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronlin...
Are you going to toe the line when they come for your knives, too?
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/british-doctors-call-for-ban-on...
That's OK, colonials can't understand the British infatuation with mon-anarchists, given what toffee-nosed pompous self-aggrandizing twats they are. They should have been cleaned-out when the guillotine was goin' down in France. But there they still are, and there you are, the Brit subject, still humping their legs in glee. It looks kind of crackers and incognizant.
Piers is a girly man.
now your insulting the other 50%
;-)
I can agree with most all of Alex Jones spouts (I listen to him alot actually) except for the 911 Bush hit job stuff. I don't mind his fiery nature, but the 911 inside job stuff does make him look like a lune. There is no way 911 was an inside job. Take that out of the debate and he did fine.
we need to put piers on a dream liner in the luggage compartment back to england, what a idiot!
Alex Jones' argument in summation: Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Logical rebuttal: So would monkeys if you gave them guns.
How does that rebuttal rise to the level of 'logical' in your mind?
A 'logical' refutation to an illogical conjecture is inherently illogical; that was the point. Hope this clears it up for you.
No, it doesn't. Perhaps if you were to begin to explain the functioning of firearms (loading, sighting targets, pulling triggers, reloading, etc.) and then perhaps explain the tool-using capabilities of primates and how they relate to firearms, you would have the beginnings of a logical rebuttal. Don't quit while you're behind.
a poster wrote; so would monkeys if you gave them guns...well not quite, long ago in an old war we had a monkey for a few weeks living in our hooch that rat bastard had access to multiple weapons day and night, the only thing that shit for brains was interested in was c rats, tooth paste, bath powder, and shitting in our bunks and pissing over the whole hooch..never touched a weapon. one of the most satisfying moments we had was taking that mean little fuck out and letting loose with a m16 on rock and roll on his furry ass.
Logical rebuttal: So do monkeys today without guns. Your point?
If you had a drinking game where Piers says "Alex" you'd be dead.
That was the greatest thing I have ever seen in my life!!! LMFAO
I think allot of commenters missed the point of Alex's rant. Id have to agree with Michaelwiseguy and others who point out that it is about getting the information out there. I don't agree with Alex Jones on allot of things, and I don't agree with his style sometimes, but he is honest and presents more truth than anyone I hear on MSM.
The main point about Alex's emotional rants is that he thinks there is a world government incrementally being installed that looks to reduce world population and remove what remnants of free society exist in this world. He has found evidence that our food is poisoned by Aspertame, High Fructose Corn Syrup, GMO toxins, pyschotropic drugs ; he has shown they are trying to kill us and that has him a little pissed off. Yes people like Jesse Ventura remain calm, but Alex is hot blooded and flys off the handle because he believes our governments are trying to kill us.
If Alex is even half right on the list of things he covered, then there is a world government of technocratic bankers looking to consolidate power and reduce the population and YEAH, THAT PISSES ME OFF TOO! I don't care if he offended some soccer moms or some commenters here, he spoke truth and that will wake up some that are on the fence. I never thought I'd here those topics mentioned on MSM.
Exactly!
When you have people like Alex Jones, Max Keiser or Gerald Celente who are pasionate speakers talking about the new world order some people switch out; but when you have people like Catherine Austine Fitts, Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura saying it, that's pretty telling...
I don't understand how anyone enjoyed this. I got to about 3:10 and had to turn it off for annoyance and disgust.
OK, P.Morgan is a useless wank. But while I agree with A.Jones on many issues, and guns in particular, I cringe at the ridiculously overblown expression of those views which make those of us who do hold those views look like loons and which makes P.Morgan and his kind seem more credible by contrast. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's why P.Morgan had Jones on in the first place.
Too bad for us he didn't have Larry Pratt or someone like that. But that would have suited pro-gun purposes, while A.Jones would reliably serve P.Morgan's purposes. Ah well, its all theater of the absurd anyhow.
LOL. Watch that clip and look at who is really answering no questions. Morgan answered zero questions. Alex destroyed that guy. What a mauling. It was awesome.
Yea because Alex Jones wouldn't let him talk.
You accidently wrote "It was awesome." Its spelled a-w-F-U-L.
Glenn Beck trashing Alex Jones right now. "Raving Lunatic", etc. Beck is accusing AJ of self promotion which is hilarious considering Beck's record of relentless marketing of his moribund public appearances and unreadable books.
Alex Jones is a total dick.
So fucking owned
Ban guns
Jones brought up sharks, CNN jumped one with this.
Well done AJ, that douchehole Piers never managed to get a shot off. I'd say send the cock back to England but we don't want the smug little dickleak.
Double post :/
No matter how many times he hears less guns more crime, Piers keeps asking the same question over like a robot.
Jones.....Lots of sound bite sophistry, yet his sycophants never call him on it. They just BELIEVE. Sheeple.
"Michael Springman headed the visa department (that "was told" to let in the hijackers)". Sorry Alex, that is patently false. Springman was a Consular Officer in Jeddah in the 1980s when the US was training Mujahideen fighters to take on the Soviets, and since these tribal types would not otherwise qualify for a visa, they were cut some slack in order to facilitate the training. By the late 1990s or early 2000s, Springman was long gone from visa duties.
"I've got the tapes (etc.)". No Alex, you play only carefully edited, out-of context-portions of the tapes that support your theory, while the statements in their full context do not support them. The tapes are available in their entirety for those who choose to listen. Jones, however, will never play them in full since it negates his "proof".
Sophist. And a blowhard sophist at that. But hey, it sells to an undiscriminating audience.
cosimo, throwing sand in some eyes, we are sure the saudi's got out the next day on a plane while all flights were grounded, that arab men took flying school and were reported by local fbi to dc as suspect, bldg 7 sure raises one skeptical mind ..a lap top computer whose contents were never looked at by fbi owned by one of the plotters on and on but yes jones did not need to guild the lilly
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/inside-of-alex-joness-head-like-hitler-chatting-to-yosemite-sam-2013010855312
Suck on this gun Piers. Of course id rather had seen the boxing match. Jones would've went RufusRJones on that sack of pukedogshit.
'Gun Control' and Mahatma Gandhi [et.e.l]: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest" http://www.fightthebias.com/Quotes/arms_quotes.htm
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Theater of the absurd.
Alex is right but Alex is Alex and CNN knows it.
"We need an over the top 'crazy' gun nut to push the agenda." and that's what middle America sees. Alex ain't crazy but he sure looks the part if you haven't got a clue to where he's coming from. Morgan says nothing but seems 'reasonable'.
It ain't about Morgan and Jones, it's about reasonable vs. crazy. Gun grabbers are one and defenders of the 2nd are the other. A Pyrrhic victory for Jones that is a loss for gun rights overall.
Pure CNN propaganda using Jones to make their case for them.
Facts aren't importan,t but perceptions of which side is 'moderate' are, in swaying public opinion.
the key to manufacturing consent is by winning the hearts & minds of the silent majority.
and no one likes a bully.
while I do agree with you, apparently some dudes are in favour of bullies, judging by the stadium roar of late. . .
sad to see this is the way this juggernaut is headed, though I've never expected otherwise.
This morning NPR had yet another gun violence gun grabber story, as they did yesterday about Chicago, every day, now there is MSM news stories, "Arizona observes 2nd anniversary of Giffords shooting" then another story she and her husband conferring with Mayor Bloomberg (NY-Bolshevik) on how to raise money to fight, and I quote, NPR: THE GUN LOBBY, every other sentence the "gun lobby" while Bloomie and the rest are "fighting to protect people from "gun violence" which is another meme the Bolsheviks put out there.
Americans never give up your guns
By Stanislav Mishin
Alex may have mentioned "911" but has he ever quoted this?
(Article ID: U00682760115, available through http://www.washtimes.com/archives.htm, search key "MOSSAD SAMS")
U.S. troops would enforce peace under Army study
by Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times September 10, 2001
Edition: 2 Section: A Pages: A1, 9.
Alex Jones knows the whole show is a set up, so he's just using it as a soap box to shout out facts regarding the side effects of modern drugs, not mentioned by the MSM; debating with Peirs 'cock face' Morgan is a waist of time and self defeating.
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/307111_407770082631888_101...
Everything Alex said was true. Piers Morgan can rot in hell. If Alex had taken a quiet approach he would have been walked all over and controlled. He did the right thing!!!
I listen to AJ all the time, and I'm glad people like him are out there, but I always take it with a grain of salt. I thought he made an absolute buffoon of himself (and, by extension, others who seek the truth) last night.
If you want to get through to people, you do it by speaking calmly and rationally and presenting facts. Not by screaming like a paranoid lunatic and mimicking someone's accent.
I know, I know..."calmly and rationally" simply isn't Alex's style, but he could have toned it down just A BIT, don't you think?
We're done getting through to intellectuals, now it's time to get through to the average Joe's who respect only one thing: testosterone levels.
um.
wow.