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America's PhDs On Foodstamps

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When job hunting in one's field turns tough, college graduates may return to school for another degree (even in economics). But for some Americans, multiple degrees won't guarantee a job in their field (or even at the Fed) - or even keep them above the poverty level... Over the past few years, more and more highly educated people have turned to food stamps and other forms of welfare for help...





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Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:23 | 3134710 ZFiNX
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Well this explain's why the adjunct profs at my public university are so damn shitty.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:32 | 3134723 ACP
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Even after they learn that their shitty-ass degree in International Relations or Sociology is completely useless these laziest of the laziest college grads still don't get a dose of reality because they immediately transition from govt subsidized education to govt subsidized living. Fucking pathetic - Golden Age of Dependency.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:44 | 3134773 Tijuana Donkey Show
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So, if your bi-racial, do you count as black, white, or whatever, or half for each? I need to know.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:51 | 3134786 Zer0head
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only 5000 or so janitors have PhD's

I was sure that University of Phoenix had more grads than that

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:02 | 3134835 economics9698
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Yes we do!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:13 | 3135109 Shocker
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The problem is Food stamps are fine for a temporary basis, but they are becoming permanent solutions.

But with the job market so weak, and no real uptick seen, this will continue.

We need Jobs available to start fixing it.

Also, little lesson....don't go to College unless your getting a degree into something of value.



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:51 | 3135244 caconhma
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I am living near Boston, Mass.

We had a community college to teach idiots to read & write they have failed to learn at school. Now, it became the Framingham State University. Now, instructors who taught shit became professors teaching quantum mechanics and molecular bioscience. Incredible!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 01:47 | 3135348 flacon
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Education vs. School of Hard Knocks. It's better than football. 

Local, State and Federal income tax I've paid since 2009..... = $0. I have not received any aid either. I'm all about Common Law, plus it benefited me to leave the good ol' US of A. Fuck that shit and their SIN TAX on earning my own keep - I'll just do it all back-door on the FREE MARKET thank you very much!  

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 05:38 | 3135656 AldousHuxley
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Some janitors are millionaires next door
Unionized with pension
No boss brown nosing necessary
No politics
No face to face with stupid customers
No meetings
No commute traffic
No work to take home
No dress code
No stress
Time for golf or tennis in the mornings
Paid overtime
Quiet working environment to think alone
Access to many rooms

There was a ivy league janitor who graduated from columbia university for free by taking classes part time while working as a janitor there

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 08:06 | 3135763 GetZeeGold
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Most janitors are far more intellectual than your average they possess a real skill set.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 08:12 | 3135771 Oldballplayer
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I am executor for an estate.  That estate was held by a person who worked at a rep at the phone company.

Worth well over a million.  Mostly in CDs and savings accounts.

The person never had a credit card.  And never had any debt.

I was ashamed of my own good credit history when compared to hers.

You don't need a degree or a great job to become wealthy.  A liquid million is wealthy, right?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:02 | 3136296 MachoMan
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See it all the time...  one of the problems though is that cost-push inflation and economic deterioration don't occur evenly over the economy...  As a result, there is an incredibly perverse pay structure for many jobs.  In other words, jobs that benefit society the most and, all things considered, are the most productive, often times are paid less than menial positions in entrenched bureaucracies.  This type of differentiation is likely to become much less exacerbated as unfunded liabilities (e.g. retirement promises) are destroyed, but for the time being there are some absolutely perverse incentives for many workers...  often times there is little material difference between a job that costs an incredible amount of time, effort, and ingenuity and a job that entails purposefully sandbagging and otherwise performing at a subhuman level.  This is moral hazard.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:38 | 3136504 AldousHuxley
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Your wage is not determined by quality or value you add to society
It is determined by supply of like kind labor and the value add profits go to capitalists

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:37 | 3137263 MachoMan
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Yes, and how's that working out for everyone?  I think we're all aware of the law of the jungle...  [at the very least, you must concede that the market is not perfectly and instantaneously efficient].

Further, determination of wage is vastly more complicated than simple supply and demand issues...  the real world does not present apples to apples comparisons of labor...  among other fundamental flaws with your thesis.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:13 | 3136893 Iam_Silverman
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" I'll just do it all back-door on the FREE MARKET thank you very much!"

Ouch!  Do you charge less if they lube-up first?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 04:17 | 3135557 Sudden Debt
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If you have a PHD....

and you can't come up with a idea... to not be a janitor...

but to put your brains to work...

that just means you have a high IQ but a very low EQ...

and this also shows how fucked up our education system is because I've seen a lot of people with a very high EQ and average IQ been kicked out of school and make something of themselves.


I remember the American movies where they said:


and if that means you should be a janitor or a foodstamp recipient...


maybe that's just all you can be...




Is a sad country...

Jezus... it's like India where they devide the population into casts...

well... YES WE CAN! I guess... I don't know where the CHANGE is but it's kind of sad...


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 05:43 | 3135657 Acet
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Interestingly, there was recently an article on the BBC news site about how graduates nowadays come out of school with an undeserved, excessive belief in their own self worth (to the point of narcisism) -

It's the whole "everybody is a unique flower" style of education that produces mediocre young adults who think they're the best thing since sliced bread and expect to be successfull without having to work for it.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 06:52 | 3135679 tabasco71
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Didn't want to post today (working!) but you hit a nerve, damn you....

Solicitor friend of mine was trying to hire recently and got a bunch of shiny grad-automatrons walk through his door -all great at the gloss and asking for £70k starting salary, which astounded him, because nobody could answer his first question...

And his first question was... "what can you do that will make it worth me paying you that much?"

Only blank expressions ensued - they were probably all trying to recall scenes from Ally McBeal, although that wouldn't help much because whenever they were round a table they were either trying to have sex or drinking.

Basic lack of common sense, EQ, real world experience, or whatever you want to call it... it was lacking...

In a rising market, everyone can be a unique flower. In any other market, you need to add value. Rubber meet road.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 08:36 | 3135795 hapless
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It bugs the shit out of me when people shift the vernacular to suit their own purpose.  Take meritocracy for example.

I recall a time when merit involved real, you know, accomplishment - building, inventing - that sort of shit - and not to some lame-ass "honor" conferred by one human being upon another.  Higher ed has co-opted the notion of merit and applied it to the bestowment of a piece of paper.

I'm beginning to wonder if the purpose of education is to render every single word in the English language meaningless.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 06:04 | 3135676 merizobeach
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"maybe that's just all you can be..."  Rings true, and what a disgrace it is.

A friend of mine, upon completing his PhD (albeit in science), said it was the best investment he had ever made: he is now credentialed with the highest standard that exists, and all doors around the entire world are open for him.  Sounds good.  I, on the other hand, don't have a PhD, or any post-high school degree, but I've never found that to be an impediment when seeking a job.

Because the bottom line is competence, bitchez.  People with post-graduate degrees who seek government handouts, because they're incompetent or lazy, deserve anthrax on their cheques.  (I'll give them a pass, though, if their motive is to scam and bankrupt a terminally corrupt government).

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:22 | 3136057 sessinpo
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Maybe it was a typo mistake but I think you have that backwards.


Sudden Debt: " If you have a PHD.... and you can't come up with a idea... to not be a janitor... but to put your brains to work... that just means you have a high IQ but a very low EQ..."

One with a high IQ, theoretically would be more likely to put their brains to work to not be a janitor but be in a higher position. However, in my opinion, janitors are higher ranked then our politicians and bankers. On the other hand, the one with a high EQ, even with a PhD, would be the janitor bitching and complaining to everyone else that he/she shouldn't be a janitor because they have an PhD - usually liberal.

Maybe your statement is grammatically wrong and doesn't express your thought correctly.


But that is just me dissecting your statement in a logical fashion instead of emotional - IQ vs EQ.


I must admit I am biased. I have run circles around many graduates. They don't think critically. I find the majority of undergraduates and graduates have this problem. I generally favor two things: those that are quick to pick up on new procedures or concepts (without additional lengthy explanation, training, or retraining. And the go get it attitude, the ones that go beyond their specific job duties to learn more then they have to regarding the companies operations. Most jobs are repetitive monkey jobs anyway, including mine.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:53 | 3135249 SgtSchultz
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What of the lowly bathroom attendant?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 01:49 | 3135363 flacon
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Jon Corzine can wipe my ass!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 01:58 | 3135378 SgtSchultz
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No tip!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 05:46 | 3135665 AldousHuxley
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500 people at the club 200 goes to the restroom
$1 tip per 4 during 2hours in the night =

$25 per hour cash= $40 hour salary wage

More than entry level ibanking analysts for hourly wage

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 05:50 | 3135667 merizobeach
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He'll have to pull his shaft out first.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 07:33 | 3135728 smlbizman
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true story you will finally know somethink.....i was at laural race track yrs the mens room...yes there was an attendant....when a black guy came in and the attendant started talking to him.....the black guy said, as only black guys can..........

", aint nobody wanna to talk to the shit house man"

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:49 | 3134787 DoChenRollingBearing
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As far as I know (FWTW), if you are 25% Hispanic, well you are Hispanic!  In Hawaii, I believe the threshhold is 1/8th Native Hawaiian (to get the benefits).

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:39 | 3134921 MsCreant
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Hypodescent. 1/16 African American used to, by law, make you black. 

Hypodescent is not legal any more.

I think if you say you are a particular race, they have a hard time proving you are not. Knew a blonde haired, blue eyed, Cuban dude who got the full Hispanic ride scholarship to my Ph.D. program! 

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:54 | 3134956 DaveyJones
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I'm 1/16th female

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:08 | 3134983 ACP
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If you look at humans on the basis of chromosomes, men are actually 1/2 female.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:36 | 3135043 GOSPLAN HERO
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Terms pertaining to one drop, based on “blood quantum,” said to measure blood quantity, include Mulatto (1/2 Negro), Quadroon (1/4 Negro), Octoroon (1/8 Negro) and so on.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:56 | 3135258 tom a taxpayer
Wed, 01/09/2013 - 01:13 | 3135284 akak
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I'm 1/2 Walloon, 1/4 Spittoon and 1/4 Loon myself.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 01:51 | 3135369 flacon
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There are a lot of white African Americans who somehow don't qualify for slave status. Funny that.. and good for them. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 02:38 | 3135449 Skateboarder
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I'm 1/8 Monsoon, 1/4 Typhoon, 1/2 Balloon, and 1 Cartoon of descent. Very proud of my heritage...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 07:46 | 3135741 GOSPLAN HERO
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Maroon - a fugitive black slave of the West Indies and Guiana in the 17th and 18th centuries; also: a descendant of such a slave

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:51 | 3135079 3.7.77
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hmm, which half?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:34 | 3135175 Hook Line and S...
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I'm reptilian from the waste up.

Equine from the waste down.

(at least that's what Bwarny Fwank told me)


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:47 | 3135230 Boondocker
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i think i need to throw up now...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 01:45 | 3135354 Hook Line and S...
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Did I forget to show you the video of our KFCongressmen?

I know... they do look like turkey vultures

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 01:53 | 3135370 flacon
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Waste or Waist? I assume you meant waste, which translates to the anus which is your waste. Then again many Americans have waste at their MOUTH. Not saying it's you, but many of them do, like FREE JON CORZINE. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 04:34 | 3135589 Western
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aye brother, free jc

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:57 | 3135090 DaveyJones
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I just use it for access to the public restrooms 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:02 | 3135093 ToNYC
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What's not to like about blond-headed Sicilians because the Danes invaded a thousand years ago?  but I got a full-ride just because I was cool.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:44 | 3134939 Jack Burton
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Yes I have a friend who is 1/8th native American. Recently he was taken on as a full member of the local tribe on their reservation. As a fully accepted native American he now gets a check from the tribe every month and the state gives him free hunting and fishing rights across the entire state of Minnesota. They take 1/8 now as full members, because otherwise the tribe is near to dying out. Sort of funny for a guy 1/2 Norwegian 1/4 Irish 1/8 German and 1/8 Indian to be considered a Native American!

I am nearly pure Swedish, but have 1/8 Irish. As if I would declare myself an Irishman now! Hardly!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:51 | 3134953 rayduh4life
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Use to check native american as I was born here.  Now they ask which tribe so I check other and write in Californian.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 02:26 | 3135429 StychoKiller
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Hmm, I've heard of the Moteesuhs, the hodedoes, the cmonbacks, and the Fukarwees... :>D

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 04:06 | 3135518 zhandax
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You need (or needed) to be 1/16th Native American to get a license to open a casino, and in the 90's you needed documentation.  My grandmother had always told me her grandmother was full-blooded Cherokee, and the photo she had certainly seemed to support the claim.  I decided to apply for a license, and, since Mom was interested in genealogy at the time, I asked her to get me documentation.  She tracked down the family of her great-grandmother, and arranged a meeting two counties over.  I didn't qualify for a license, but got the most twisted lesson in history imaginable.  The ancestor in question wasn't Cherokee in the least, but also wasn't exactly a beauty queen.  She was 22 years old at the end of the civil war, in the south, where there were very few single men.  By 1867, she gave up and married my widowed great-great grandfather, who was 67 at the time.  They had three children.  Before this meeting, I never could understand how my great-great grandfather's tombstone listed a DOB of 1800.  Wonder if the documentation requirement for a casino license still applies?  I can still lie like a bond trader.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:58 | 3134962 DaveyJones
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Do you get IKEA discounts? 

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:59 | 3134820 secret_sam
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For US Census purposes, whether you are "white" or "black" is a question of self-identification.  It has nothing to do with the color of your skin or your parents' national heritage.  Go ahead and identify as black--it's sure to pay off in spades.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:03 | 3134837 Tijuana Donkey Show
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L-O-V-E the wordplay. 

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:51 | 3135078 secret_sam
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The spades trump was always expected to come about after centuries of subtle resistance to the supremacy of clubs.  Hearts (and/or diamonds) remain the trump of the idealist.  What's your bid?  I got all red.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:30 | 3135165 Fake Jim Quinn
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@secret_sam: "Go ahead and identify as black--it's sure to pay off in spades."

That is a really poor choice of words, sir

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:41 | 3135205 akak
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Oh, don't be so niggardly with your praise --- why, I haven't read anything that witty in a coon's age!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:05 | 3134842 Michaelwiseguy
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The mainstream media is completely useless and will never help us find solutions to fixing America's problems. Things will only continue to get worse under the current game plan. Learning the extent of their sinister plans is the only thing we can empower ourselves with, in order to turn things around.

The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was meant to get us into a war with Egypt June 8, 1967, with the complete knowledge and blessing of President Johnson. That false flag failed.

For your viewing interest;

The Loss Of Liberty - USS Liberty Cover-Up
Documentary on the USS Liberty: Dead in the Water

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:54 | 3135083 Al Gorerhythm
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Show me the money! Work is redundant. Send me that trillion dollar plat coin!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 04:23 | 3135572 zhandax
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I would love to see what that trillion plat coin does the value of my reverse proof plat eagle.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:09 | 3136046 Bicycle Repairman
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"The mainstream media is completely useless and will never help us find solutions to fixing America's problems."

LOL.  They're not even tyring.  Never were.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:42 | 3136187 Clycntct
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Just another ad campaign but not as good as the WHIG ad campaign.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:29 | 3134908 MrTouchdown
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If you're half-white and half anything other than asian: If whatever is being discussed is "bad" - then you're white. If it's "good" - then you're whatever your other half is.

If you're half-asian and half-white, then you're always white.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:43 | 3134935 MsCreant
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Had a half white half Phillipino (sp?) boyfriend when I was a late teen. Many people saw us a a mixed race couple and we got crap for it I can assure you.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 05:20 | 3135646 NidStyles
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It's Filipino. Try being half-Filipino. Even the Filipinos don't see you as a Filipino.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:23 | 3136690 MrTouchdown
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Ah, good point. The south-east asian folks are a bit too dark to get lumped in with white folks. I've seen them get lumped in with mexicans - in which case the previous statement still holds. Good ol' PC. So malleable!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:16 | 3135007 Go Tribe
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Government throws so much fiat at education, healthcare and housing that none of it's worth anything.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:31 | 3135166 SpykerSpeed
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Don't beat up recent college grads.  In order to make a living, you have to have access to capital goods.  Young people don't have access to the same capital goods the boomers had - you guys spent them all.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 01:10 | 3135290 willwork4food
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Spyker, when I was growing up in the 70's things were so tough we were lucky to have cash enough for rent and McDonalds. You obviously are refering to generation X- our kids-which got used to all the good times we went through -after we worked our asses off to get there. Then the crash hit.

You sound like a very naive generation Y dude or a complete  former spoiled rotten gen X moron.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 02:37 | 3135448 Clowns on Acid
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Yes, buit you guys have iPhones...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 04:10 | 3135558 Simplifiedfrisbee
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When I was growing up we would use one sheet from the toilet paper roll to fully wipe our shit stained ass clean. We would fold that one sheet 7xs before disposing of it. Every hedonistic boomer is as complacent and imbecile as every effete Millennial when fresh out of the university. Intelligence is relative just as a pension is fungible.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 04:20 | 3135565 akak
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You obviously did not eat any vegetables or whole-wheat bread --- not to mention corn.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 05:55 | 3135672 Dr Benway
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Sheryl Crow is that you?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 06:44 | 3135699 batterycharged
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People need to realize that there are two large lies out there:

1) all college-educated people that are underemployed have a crappy degree

I have a masters in Engineering and two bachelors in STEM, and I was unemployed for 2 years, now I work customer service.

Visit the chat boards for engineers/comp sci people and realize that many can't find work.

2) there is a skills gap

The only gap is what employers are willing to pay. Employers want the equivalent of an MD for the price of a McDonalds worker.


I remember hearing all the stories in the old Soviet Union about PhDs as Taxi Drivers.  That's what the US is becoming.

People don't realize how many skilled jobs are outsourced outside the country.  It's not just manual labor jobs.

Doctors, lawyers, accountants, and engineers are often outsourced.

And it's even hard to find a min-wage job if you're NOT on welfare. Places like Target give preference to people on welfare for hiring because they get tax write offs.

So not only does welfare pay the bills, it helps you get a job!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:13 | 3136055 Bicycle Repairman
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"People don't realize how many skilled jobs are outsourced outside the country.  It's not just manual labor jobs."

The government not only permits this, they subsidize it.  These are the good jobs at good wages.  Not only do the wages go, but also taxes and the domestic economy.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 09:29 | 3135920 Metalredneck
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I just enrolled in a Master's program majoring in Feminist Poetry.


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:44 | 3134770 ball-and-chain
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I always feel like we're blaming the victim.

Americans aren't takers.

We don't want to live off food stamps.

We got hosed.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:52 | 3134794 trembo slice
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truly.  we will continue to get hosed until there is sound money.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:00 | 3134826 economics9698
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I second that.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:19 | 3135015 Totentänzerlied
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Americans aren't takers.

We don't want to live off food stamps."

Things change.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 04:34 | 3135582 zhandax
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Didn't someone this century get elected on that meme?  Anyone surprised that the dufii forgot that change is seldom for the better when the government is involved?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 05:23 | 3135649 NidStyles
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That's assuming that elections work and everyone actually voted.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:52 | 3135081 ToNYC
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Add+junk'd, why pay much for that?

They are approvers of second-party information acceptors asnd relators. They play know like you play-dough.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:38 | 3135196 Eireann go Brach
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Obamanomics! This is your legacy and what you will be remembered by!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:24 | 3134713 DoChenRollingBearing
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Our kid graduated in 2009, a bad year.  She works as a paralegal, and is completely independent.  WE were very lucky.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:02 | 3134971 NoDebt
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How the hell did you get down arrows on that comment?  Was it the "paralegal" thing or the "WE" thing?

I don't get it.  I gave you an up arrow.

Good for your kid.  And good job parenting.  You raised them the best you could and then nudged them out of the nest to go find their own way.  That's what you're supposed to do.  If they come back and stay in the basement THEN maybe you didn't do so good a job.  But getting them out on their own and WANTING to be out on their own counts as success in my book. 

Seriously, DOWN ARROWS?  That's fucked up.  Who down arrowed this man?  Speak up.  Maybe I'm missing something.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:15 | 3135003 Go Tribe
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Who knows, maybe they thought he was bragging. You know, finding a job in obama's America and all.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:55 | 3135086 3.7.77
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Paralegal, no down here.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:34 | 3135181 Monedas
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I down arrowed him because he has kind of ignored me lately !

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 01:19 | 3135305 DoChenRollingBearing
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Well, EXCUSE ME!  Up arrow...

LOL...   + 1


Monedas and Freddie are two of my all time favorites here...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 09:52 | 3135993 e-recep
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if you have feelings for him, i'd say, talk to him. go for it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:36 | 3135189 tickhound
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Paralegals yes everywhere up here.  They should thank Obama.  Lots of growth.  See, Obama thinks solving a problem means creating a law.  Laws are solutions for EVerything.  The field is BOOMING and its 'not just for women anymore.'

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:24 | 3135143 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ NoDebt


I get lots of down arrows, because I am kind of an a*****e, and fairly well known for it.  I got enemies...!  Actually, Zer0Head (the original one) once explained to me -- a long time ago -- that a red is as good as a green.  Why?  Because an emotional button got pushed...  THANKS for your kind words, + 1

:)    |;.!

Our kid majored in French and English, so she WAS lucky (and worked hard, to be fair) to get a good paralegal job.  Hey, it pays the bills for her.  So, "WE" feel lucky...

"Any work is good work."  It's all dignified.  You add value, you get paid.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 02:22 | 3135422 Curiously_Crazy
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First post, but I've been a reader for years and finally got around to creating an account a few weeks ago.


The whole arrow thing gives me the shits to be honest; and I can now understand why a few others don't like it either.  I'd see the little buggers come up in conversation every now and again but as I wasn't a member I didn't really know what people were on about.


I'm going to be logging off after posting this to read everything without the ups/downs. The way I always used to and probably always will. On even a subconscious level if you know a post has 20 ups - or 20 downs - before you read it then it will have an impact.


Apologies for such a mundane first post but hey gotta start somewhere and it was on my mind.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 02:47 | 3135465 Skateboarder
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Maybe I gave ya green... maybe I aint. You'll never know, until you log in. ;)

Just kidding. I'm no fan of the up/down system either. It serves a purpose, but like all purpi it can and will be twisted. ZH is pretty fair though - it's not like a YouTube comments section where every conversation inevitably ends up at Justin Bieber.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 05:26 | 3135651 Curiously_Crazy
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So anyway.. about Bieber...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 03:56 | 3135547 tickhound
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No one can be told what Zerohedge is, you have to see it for yourself.

But don't worry about the arrows... As with many things in life, you'll quickly lose faith in it too.  And since you've already lost faith in the majority of your fellow men... Welcome.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 04:17 | 3135561 mvsjcl
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I couldn't resist being the first to befoul a virgin poster. And welcome!

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:27 | 3134720 SheepleLOVEched...
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put all politicans on food stamps

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:31 | 3134735 FoeHammer
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If, by "on food stamps" you mean "in jail cells", then yes, I agree.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:40 | 3134756 SheepleLOVEched...
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No just put them on food stamps and watch them struggle. There is nothing I would love to see more than politicians struggle to feed themselves.


It could be made into a new reality series: "Your Representative on Food Stamps!"

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:47 | 3134779 Cheesy Bastard
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If, by "in jail cells" you mean "Hung from lampposts", then yes, I also agree.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:03 | 3134838 Likstane
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If, by, "hung from lamp posts", you mean stripped naked, soaked in hydraulic fluid, and dragged behind a SF trolley, then yes, I also agree.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:34 | 3135180 e_goldstein
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You forgot the setting on fire part.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:37 | 3136994 Iam_Silverman
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"stripped naked, soaked in hydraulic fluid, and dragged behind a SF trolley"

Sounds like some kind of twisted land-trolling fishing stunt.  What if you catch some barney Franklike creature with that kind of bait?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 01:14 | 3135302 willwork4food
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If, by 'on food stamps' you mean 'in jail cells prior to having them executed", then yes, I agree.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:03 | 3134974 dunce
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Food stamps are now EBT cards , electronic bank transfer cards, since politicians get their pay from the govt. and it is electronically transferred to their personal accounts you could say that they are on a first class food stamp program where they get paid for accomplishing nothing much like the ghetto dwellers.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:53 | 3136237 Clycntct
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I see by the negs on you that youv'e offended some pols.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 08:38 | 3135798 Chuck Walla
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put all politicans on food stamps

They would still steal. In fact, if we cut off their hands, they would continue to find ways to pick our pockets.


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:29 | 3134728 secret_sam
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I know a PhD in physics who is probably pretty near qualifying for SNAP.  He's been eking out a living teaching calculus while waiting for the big score.  The wife works too, of course, but her degree was considered "less marketable."  Heh.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:00 | 3134829 centerline
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Our society is so backwards.  Not much else to say.  If it were not for the shitty parts of human nature being so exploitable (and the predators who do so for individual gain), we actually might have a chance as a species.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:17 | 3135009 TheFourthStooge-ing
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America Values Education for the debt it generates.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 03:12 | 3135273 akak
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It's an official policy:

"No Debt Peon Left Behind"

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:36 | 3135044 dwdollar
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How about all those STEM jobs everyone is bragging about around here???

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:47 | 3135228 Freddie
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PhD is physics?  He could get a job at a hedge fund trying to rig the rigged markets.  He should send his resume to Tyler's friend Whitney Tilson.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 09:56 | 3136003 Flakmeister
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That is so 2005....

The model has changed to be purely driven by insider trading...

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:32 | 3134740 lolmao500
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I saw stats a while ago that 95% of engineering PHDs were done by Chinese foreign students... America, failing forward.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:54 | 3134804 duo
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I would never hire an engineering PhD.  I guess I would if my product was powerpoint presentations for the DoD.  Other than that, no.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:55 | 3134808 Tijuana Donkey Show
Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:08 | 3134847 centerline
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So far, I have not met may engineers from places like India or China who were worth a shit.  Math is one thing... application is another.  Geekgirl said it best the other day... not everyone is cut out for STEM work.  Just because certain cultures place value on STEM and push everyone towards it does not equate to success in any broader sense.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 02:13 | 3135407 Freddie
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We once hired a Chinese PhD programmer.  Got it from a good US university.  First week was great but after that total shit.  He was constantly trying to steal software.  His problem solving skills sucked.  No creativity too.

He was a small time slumlord renting out garages in his duplex to other Chinese.  After a few weeks we figured out why he kept jobs for a few months.  He never paid taxes.  We fired him after a few weeks and 1099'ed him. He almost pissed in his pants.  

Months later an American guy calls all excited to get a reference.  The idiot must of thought we liked him.  He lied to the prospective employer.  We were careful not to give a bad reference but the American employer got the message.   I think we laughed on the phone and said a few other things.   The American employer glad we warned him off.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 03:33 | 3135530 akak
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Freddie, I think you just explained the birth of AnAnonymous, citizenism troll extraordinaire.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 04:25 | 3135575 mvsjcl
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Now THAT was funny!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 05:57 | 3135674 Acet
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Frankly, Chinese or otherwise, anybody with a Masters or PhD in Computer Science should be considered suspect. In my personal experience, in that field (which is still one of the best to find a job), staying at the University for a couple more years to get a Masters or PhD is just an excuse ...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:47 | 3136221 dtwn
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Science soon-to-be phd here, no job yet.  But yes, there are many chinese students at my university.  The problem that many will soon realize however (especially companies outside academia), is that they have been taught to NOT think for themselves their whole lives (oppressive government restricting speech and ideas and such).  They are essentially automotons turning the crank of basic sciences.  So the chinese phds are essentially meaningless.  They are the migrant farm worker equivalent of the sciences (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just increases competition and decreases pay for those that actually earned and deserve their degree). True progress is driven by innovators, and thankfully most of those that I see around me are American.  The problem is that I think we are in a transitory period where some very well qualified people will end up as taxi drivers as in the Russia example above.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:33 | 3134743 nmewn
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God forbid they break a nail.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:32 | 3134905 tom a taxpayer
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Yes. Give me a hankerchief...I want to cry over the poor PhDs.

Maybe it's time they stop being wage slaves to the tenured aristocracy.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:34 | 3134913 nmewn
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The smartest people in any room (just ask em, they'll tell suckered.

How very, unfortunate ;-)

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:33 | 3134744 Yen Cross
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 Great, all we need is a bunch more Krugmans schlepping off the system. Professional students dictating monetary policy [think tanks], is some scary shit...

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:34 | 3134746 q99x2
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That's why you have to stretch it out to get that PhD after age 67 otherwise you'll just grind your life away. The good life is an active life as a life-long US student.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:17 | 3134849 centerline
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Seems to be the path.  Especially if I could still qualify for dormatory living.  That rocked.  Nice room, common area, laundry room, weightlifting area downstairs, freight elevator for the frig and beer, common bathroom cleaned by others, public pool out back, cheap football tickets, co-ed dorm (chicks on same floor), free cable...

HOLY SHIT.  I am a complete dumbass.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:34 | 3134747 Seasmoke
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Parking lot attendant was my favorite and most profitable job in college. I wouldn't trade those 2 years for a worthless masters.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:59 | 3134822 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Then I was in college, they were still actual stamps. I would go outside the store, and almost triple my grocery budget in cash for stamps. I miss those days.....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:03 | 3135099 Jon Bong Jovi
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They do it with EBT too. This dude tried to sell me his card with the PIN. He gets about $500/mth wants in exchange $350/mth cash money. Apparently, his baby mama gets benefits too, and he don't need his card. He lives with her, but he sub-leases his sec 8 subsidized apartment to some shady prostitute. He works at the gas station off the books, because he also collects disability of some sort, and he don't want to fuck that shit up man. 

I told him, "I can't be caught doing some ghetto ass shit. I'm a respectful bidnessman." 

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:36 | 3134752 strangeglove
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Why'd they have to use my picture?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:40 | 3134761 treasurefish
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Shocking!  There's more whites on food stamps than asians, blacks, and hispanics?  We need Affirmative Action to fix this statistical discrepancy!  

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:01 | 3134830 Tijuana Donkey Show
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That's why it happened, Affirmative Action got the job done.You can make people equal by adding or subtracting, so the GOVT decided that everyone needs to be broke, problem solved.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:43 | 3137023 Iam_Silverman
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"Shocking!  There's more whites on food stamps than asians, blacks, and hispanics?  We need Affirmative Action to fix this statistical discrepancy!  "


Now there, there, don't get so worked up.  These are only totals, not percentages by race.  I'll bet once you find an un/underemployed PhD in mathematics he could work up a table more suitable for you.  just pay him cash, quietly.

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:45 | 3134775 kito
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i call bullshit on the skewed janitor stat..... most of the janitors with phds dont speak english, are older, and came from other countries where their education serves them no purpose here.....this has been going on for decades.....many eastern european educated people--scientists, physicians, attorneys, have immigrated and are forced to take on blue collar work due to the language barrier and/or the irrelevance of their degree to our job market.................

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:46 | 3134781 cnhedge2
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it's always diffult for some people.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:46 | 3137034 Iam_Silverman
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"it's always diffult for some people."

Even more so if you don't understand written Chinese.

WTF is that link for?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:49 | 3134784 FiatFapper
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America: Welcome your new despot...

"A United States congressman has introduced a bill that would repeal the 22nd Amendment, which currently limits the president to serving only two terms as commander-in-chief.

Should the bill become a law, it could allow President Barack Obama to run for reelection yet again in 2016."


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:18 | 3135004 foodstampbarry
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This has no chance of passing. Even if the Democrats could get 2/3 of both houses of Congress to agree, they would need 3/4 of state legislatures to pass it.

Joke - Not gonna happen

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 00:23 | 3135132 yogibear
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But Obama is the messiah in the eyes of many. Small baby steps to turn the US into a complete socialist nation.

Testing the waters. Just like many thought the NDAA would never get through ten years ago. It took a while. 

rahm emanuel never let a crisis go to waste


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 07:55 | 3135754 Zgangsta
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If we repeal the 22nd Amendment, then I want Slick Willie back.

I miss the 90's...

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:50 | 3134789 rodocostarica
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My sister's mother in law works 29 adjunct proffesor course classes per semestar and makes an average of $2,350 per course.

you can too. Just visit


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:09 | 3134850 NoDebt
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My sister's husband's friend's mother in law's great aunt earns $58/hr. working on-line from her home part time in her PJs while smoking medical marajuana. 

Just visit

Beat that with your sister's mother in law!


Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:24 | 3134897 rodocostarica
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Hard to beat I agree. However your great aunt would be 3 generations removed. You must be very young! What does the medical maryjane cost? Your link actually works unlike mine. Cheers. Is the great aunt cute?

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 22:42 | 3134932 RafterManFMJ
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Yeah, well, I'm my own Grandpa

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 23:40 | 3135049 salvadordaly
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I up'ed you just for making me click your link to see if it was real! I'm so gullable.

check it for yourself visit

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 21:53 | 3134796 El Tuco
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Over Christmas at a party I overheard a guest telling another older guest that you should get a cell phone. The government is giving them out for free to seniors with a hundred free minutes. All I could see is the seniors eyes light up. Here we go chiching...chiching...more of our taxes going out the fucking window.


Anyway, the way things are going we are going to need gas cards soon....Good article on Peak Oil....


The one chart about oil's future everyone should see



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