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Guest Post: Guns, Like Washing Machines, Don't Act - People Do
Via James E. Miller of the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada,
Reprinted from the Middletown Press and Journal
In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the usual cadre of politicians, pundits and commentators are hitting the airwaves and condemning believers of the “guns don’t kill” rationale. This exercise in demonization is being followed with pleas to strip Americans of their guns and place a ban on vaguely-defined “assault” weapons.
What’s been lacking in the flurry of proposals that inevitably followed a catastrophe like Sandy Hook has been a deeper look at the kind of environment impressionable minds are coming of age in. Far too often, politically-minded observers fall back on reactionary emotion for the solution to problems without actually engaging in critical thinking as to the root of what they are trying to solve.
As Southwestern University School of Law professor Butler Shaffer put it, we tend to focus too much “attention on the consequences of our behavior” instead of the “casual factors, as the thinking that produces dysfunctional results.”
We then end up looking to government to solve problems which it has a hand in creating. Many pro-gun control advocates are quick to mention that there is little gun violence in countries with “reasonable” gun laws in place. Yet as economist Thomas Sowell points out, countries with stricter gun control laws such as Mexico, Brazil and Russia all have higher murder rates than the U.S. When you compare Switzerland to Germany, where the former has higher rates of gun ownership than the latter, Switzerland has a lower murder rate.
The difficulty with using the empirical method to explain human phenomena is that it ignores the complexity of mankind. Data can be cherry-picked to prove any conclusion. Logic and reason are the best tools to make sense of a tragedy such as a school shooting. And the fact remains that government bans never prevent said goods from reaching the public. More often than not, good people abide by the prohibition while the more criminally inclined ignore the law.
The truth is we will never really know what compelled a young man to take the life of his mother, her coworkers and the children of Sandy Hook Elementary. There are discernable factors that may have played a significant role, however.
Our country’s empathetic response to the ongoing wars that result in the deaths of innocent women and children has certainly resulted in the dehumanizing of fatal violence. The press’s ignoring, and outright covering up, of the human victims (often called “collateral damage”) of the War on Terror has had an immeasurable impact on how today’s society views the loss of life.
When the Washington Post ran a photo of 2-year-old Ali Hussein being lifted from the rubble of his home in Baghdad after an American air strike in 2008, some wrote to the paper and complained that the picture would undermine the war effort. The fact that the child was stripped of a life that was fully ahead of him was lost on most Americans.
There also is the increased use of psychotropic pharmaceuticals that have been shown to induce suicidal and violent tendencies. These drugs were used by the shooter in Connecticut, the shooter in Aurora, Col., and one of the Columbine High School assailants.
The politically-connected pharmaceutical industry, in cahoots with the equally connected medical industry, cashes in by peddling these government-approved narcotics. While correlation doesn’t automatically mean causation, none of these points have been highlighted by a media establishment that would rather make quick judgments instead of taking the time to examine what has become the new “normal” American life.
Those who decry “the guns don’t kill people” line aren’t acknowledging reality. Guns are inanimate objects. They lack free will and consciousness. To say that a gun kills a person is to say that couches, shoes and washing machines can kill people.
In short, guns don’t act – people do. The same goes for television shows, movies and video games with violent content. They are objects that are valued by the minds of the public. Why so many in our society are drawn to violence is worth asking because the Sandy Hook shooting was but another extension of this fascination.
My father often shares with me an anecdote about a classmate who brought a rifle to his high school speech class to demonstrate how to properly clean a firearm. This was in the blue-collar city of Emmaus, and nobody felt unsafe in the presence of a student brandishing a functioning weapon. The question is; what has changed in the decades since the late 1960s? It certainly can’t be access to guns since they were just as widely available back then, if not more.
Eighteenth-century British statesman Edmund Burke once wrote that “the nature of man is intricate; the objects of society are of the greatest possible complexity” and that the simplicity often displayed in hasty political action is “grossly ignorant.” It’s disappointing, but not unexpected, to witness another intellectual mob calling for prohibition of the one tool that holds tyranny at bay.
Common sense says that disarming law-abiding citizens will make them more susceptible to harm. But in the aftermath of a tragedy such as Sandy Hook, rational thought is tossed aside in favor of short run solutions.
What must be considered is why some individuals are so drawn to violence, what effect has the increased prescription rate of antidepressants had, and why casualties in war have become so dehumanized. There is an uncomfortable but common denominator in all these factors.
I would hope anti-gun zealots notice it before they ramp up their War on Firearms.
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Maybe you should say "Guns don't kill. Americans do".
Guns per 100 citizens in USA : 88.8
Guns per 100 citizens in Norway : 31.3
Murder rate per 100,000 citizens in USA : 4.8
Murder rate per 100,000 citizens in Norway : 0.6
And most of those US murders take place in cities where gun control is prevalent.
That's because assault and semi auto weapons saturate the US. The US is a blood thirsty country.
Think Chicago will be any safer if they only have muzzle-loaders? Baseball bats? Kitchen knives? Tree branches? Large stones?
So you admit that gun-free cities are in reality rife with illegal guns held by criminals. And then you say, "That's great! More Americans should be left defenseless against those who would do them harm." You're a maniac.
Yeh. I need an assault weapon to hunt... Deer. Lol. Madness.
It's not about "hunting"! It's about being as well armed as the tyrants!!!!!!!
Geez! Please move to Norway!
"It's not about "hunting"! It's about being as well armed as the tyrants!!!!!!!
Geez! Please move to Norway!"
Fuck off with your little guns. The government has tanks and gunships you moron.
Next time you board a plane tell them you are armed like a tyrant. Tell them it's your right to be armed.
Why don't you do a melt down at an airport? After all, you are the madman.
You're the one with the AR-15. Why don't you hide it up your ass?
while i agree with the previous posters that the 2nd amendment has exactly nothing to do with hunting. fyi i've killed lots of deer with the ar-15 platform. the 6.8spc is great out to about 250 yards and is becoming very popular with people concerned with wild hog control. if you'd ever seen a 300lb boar with 4" cutters charging through a pine thicket straight at your ass like a freight train you'd want all of the firepower you could lay your hands on. that they're so dangerous and such a threat to our local environments explains why i am allowed to hunt them with night vision and suppressors. but don't let reality stop you from talking about your phobias and displaying your complete lack of critical thinking skills.
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/01/08/compelling-evidence-sandy-hook-is-staged-event-to-promote-federal-tyranny/
Watch this and decide who should fear who.
Snipes: We're safe around here.
Connery: You call this safe?
Snipes: Rough neighborhoods may be America's last advantage.
as long as the right people get murdered...
the above are the same idiotic points of view of the fat and crazy guy in the infamous CNN interview with P. Morgan, only well written and calmely exposed.
Guns are not the only way to kill, however they are one of the quickest.
Statistic clearly show that in place were fire arms a readly available, legally or illegaly, the murder rate is exponentially higher than in place were the availability is somewhat limited.
Happy with over 11,000 people killed by fire arms in year at la' USA? no problem KEEP CALM and CARRY ON with the second amendment.
However with this kind of death rate your chances of being on the receiving side of a bullet are slightly higher than in other places.
Is a bit like terminal desease, you know they are there, but you always think you are no part of the statistical universe, until boom! there you are.
and while you are cleaning your gun and reading your second amendment the algos are cashing in.......
Well ... what is the common denominator? I think I just wasted five mintues with a glaring hole at the end of the article. so ... any conclusion forthcoming?
Guns don't act people do.....
Its more complicated than that; society has powerful "hidden persuaders" and "mythology memes" like "individual freedom come what may" or "Gott mit uns", that makes a nation into Talibanistan. Its called collective decadence and its always lurking in the subconscience of the human psyche like a Pandora's box ready to open. If society does not put in proper checks and balances, based on its collective wisdom of which the Greek heritage is paramount, the entropy effect inevitably takes each civilization down that road and its a painful awakening. Often irreversible, as human structures are fragile as history has proven. They lack resilience.
People react also before they act. By having a strong guns lobby you feed the trough of populist reaction; like peddling drugs or the easy money trough. And people jump into it blindly.
Don't get fooled by the smoke n mirrors. Guns culture is like drugs, and it leads to the killing fields of self destruction.
Checks and balances; don't be fooled by your own hubris. Our strengths lie in the legal process, not "violent knee jerks".
Von Mises peddles a lot of lies like pie in the sky and stone age revival, based on the shiny stuff.
All that twinkles in not gold in stories told of Cressus and Crassus bold.
Marcus Licinius Crassus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now there was a corrupt Oligarch, if ever there was one! Guns and gold!
Yeah, the government loves and always protects us.
Next!
1-8-13
Greetings to you all.
It is past time for all Americans to stop playing the banksters divide and conquer games. It is time to realize it is we ALL Americans against these corrupted criminals that seek to divide us and kills us all every day. The left-right paradigm is dead. The red and blue state game is dead! The us and them game is dead! It is only about right or wrong and no more than that.
We ALL for the most part are all Americans after all. It is time to realize who your real enemies are and get together with your neighbors and friends, get your church leaders together, and start actively preparing NOW as communities for the MARCH CALAMITIES THAT MAY BE COMING. WE ALL MUST unite against this beast that seeks to kill us ALL off. Time is running out fast.
WAKE UP NOW!!!
Why are the Staunchest Gun Control Advocates Jews?:
http://www.caucasianpersuasion.com/fsfsfsfsfsq41/2012/12/20/why-are-the-...
HISTORICAL BACKGROUND THAT EVERY SINGLE REAL AMERICAN MUST READ AND COMPREHEND NOW!!!
The History of the House of Rothschild:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
Just for kicks, show them ALL this document too:
The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
Pass these historical and vitally important documents on to anyone you know that is still playing the antiquated left-right, two party is one game and ask them to read these thoroughly. Then get them to tell you who the real enemy is.
This information is posted for posterity purposes so the entire family here can really grasp the whole geo-political picture in these documents. Everyone makes better decisions from a place of greater knowledge. We sincerely hope that most will get it so we can stop wasting so much time hacking at each other and instead, begin to unite all forces to bare down on the real enemies of America.
Thank you ALL for all your fine input.
Wake up, America. The ruling elite wants to become royalty and reduce us all to peons. Trying to take away our guns is a start. This article is right on the money. Someone with a real brain has spoken. What a concept.
Until the second amendment is repealed, using legitimate means, my answer to all further discussion of the topic is FUCK YOU, I WILL NOT COMPLY. Pass any law you want. But consider the consequences. This is kicking a hornets nest I think.
If you want to change the status of firearms in this country, get the second amendment repealed. Otherwise....FU
My understanding of the purpose of the second amendment indicates that AR-15's are exactly the type of weapon the second amendment protects...weapons of military utility. For the purpose of outfitting a militia.
I don't care about statistics, emotional appeals or any other BS. The shooting was tragic, but my rights are not the problem.
"FUCK YOU, I WILL NOT COMPLY"
How long is the barrel on your shotgun? There is nothing like a sawed off, double barrel shotgun to put fear in the heart on any intruder. It's deadly at 10 feet and aim doesn't need to be very good either.
You cant protect yourself from a tyrannical govt with bolt-actions..semi-autos are necessary.
If they start the confiscations, wagons will circle nation-wide and they'll back off as the body county of brainwashed BATF and DHS starts to rise.
It is most certainly a cause worth dying for and worth killing for.
Do you really see a gun ban on the horizon? I don't. Better yet, do you really see a ban that would be obeyed and not lead to a revolution? I don't.
The people purchasing record amounts of guns and ammunition have no intention of handing them back to an obviously illegitimate government headed by the Golfer-in-Chief. The 2nd Amendment is saving our asses right now. Treason is easy to spot. The traitors will be dealt with.
it might be true that guns don't kill people. sure.
but that doesn't say that it is reasonable to distribute about 200 million guns in a country.
if 1 out of 10.000 people is mad and violent, the chance that this one mad and violent person can become a mass murderer is a lot bigger in a country with 200 million guns than it is in a country with say 1 million guns.
The last time I checked, guns were not distributed... they are purchased by willing buyers.
If I wanted to commit a mass murder, a gun would not be my first choice. I'd simply do what the President does and order bombs to be dropped on women and children in far away lands.
having enough guns to protect yourself from tyranny trumps the occassional misuse of guns
How many guns did Tend Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, the 9/11 crew, and Tim McVeigh use?
It was, in accordance with the laws of physics, impossible for McVeigh's fertilizer bomb to have done significant damage to the building in Ok City. He was just another patsy. The people that actually caused the explosions (inside the building, BTW) have lots of guns, even the fully automatic variety. Why did ATF take that day off?
The issue comes down to reigning in the pharmaceutical corporations. You can't be massively prescribing drugs to people when those drugs cause obsessive compulsive thought patterns and have a second amendment in the Constitution. You can't get rid of the 2nd amendment when the government has been taken over by banksters. And, you certainly can't do that at a time when the banksters are making preparations to kill a lot of Americans. Both the doctors and corporations that are pushing the drugs that cause the people to commit the crimes need to be prosecuted.
White collar crimes have changed due to advances in technology and the laws need to be updated and enforced accordingly.
if the people didnt accept the drugs it wouldnt matter who pushed what, kinda like borrowing money
"I would hope anti-gun zealots notice it before they ramp up their War on Firearms."
Why would they do that? They are anti-gun zealots. Not public safety zealots. Their goal is to eliminate private ownership of arms, not to make the world a better place-there is no logic involved beyond considering how a mass murder can be exploited to seize guns.
Hey Tyler ... why do you keep giving this moron a platform? How much is he paying you?
Unfortunatekly this clown really lowers the quality of this site.
So you want to suspend Fight Club because you're afraid to fight those with whom you disagree? Maybe you're in the wrong place.
They have no choice! http://shutupnsing.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/they-have-no-choice/
Do you seriously believe confiscation is plausible scenario? That would last about 24 hours before they ran out of coffins for the various government thugs and traitors who would participate in such a debacle.
PS: Big gun show in tax-free Manchester, NH this weekend.
Remember what Solzhenitsyn said:
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the down-stairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of a half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? … The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt.
If …. if… We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation… We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
I am a concerned female who has never owned a gun.
Our founders envisioned a day when the government could grow large and tyrannical. The founders built into the Bill of Rights the liberty of the people to defend against such a government. Our founders had, after all, just fought for their freedom. There is no stopping criminals or madmen by gun control. Imagine if a criminal or madman were to rise to power in our country; would gun control stop him or would an armed citizenry keep him in check? Which citizenry would stand the greater chance? I support the Second Amendment with no further restrictions. Let there be no compromise.
The readers of Zero Hedge are educated and familiar with financial tyranny. I would suggest that gun control is an organized step toward loss of liberty that is about the power of the bureaucrats over the common people.
This report is the dirt from the drug industry itself, compiled for NIH on the link between SSRI, suicide, agression, hostility.
22 Appendix XV: Results of random-effects models .............................................. 125
23 Appendix XVI: Stratification of worsening (outcome 6) by premature
discontinuation................................................................................................................ 127
24 Appendix XVII: Treatment-emergent hostility or agitation............................... 128
24.1 Frequency of treatment emergent hostility or agitation by drug, indication, and
trial 128
25 Appendix XVIII: Stratification of the primary outcome (outcome 3) by history of
suicide attempt at baseline .............................................................................................. 130
http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/ac/04/briefing/2004-4065b1-10-TAB08-Hammads-Review.pdf
Registration
Confiscation
Annihilation!
Tuco
The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. The founders pledged their live, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. This was when they defended their sacred honor to the death. Our current overlords would have you believe that their passions are your passions, but most of all that we should live according to passions of the moment. So what if a little Hollywood "tear juice" gets into the mix as long as the deal is sealed. Our current overlords have a little problem. They are without a doubt in default of their oaths to support and defend the Constitution <b>without mental reservation or purpose of evasion</b>. However, in their minds, I suppose as long as you have mental reservations about the term mental reservations, everything will work for the best. If success is achieved in nullifying the second ammendment through the fanning of the passions of the moment, their deaths will not be a sacrifice to Liberty, but forgotten with thier bereaved. They should remember that there have been many bereaved whose "dears" have lost their lives to secure our freedoms, not the least of which were the founding fathers. But then we are, no doubt, far down the road of being whipped with the passions of the moment, starting with 911.
Funny how gun advocates quoting the constitution always leave out the "WELL REGULATED" part ;)
Also, it's the year 2013, not 1776...the circumstances are completely different.
Funny how people citing the word 'regulated' as it appears in the 2nd amendment, never bother to read the meaning ascribed to it by the very people who WROTE the constitution.
What 'circumstances' are you referring to, and how are they different in 2013?
He thinks that the constitutional right to assemble means that he's free to purchase IKEA furniture.
Guns do kill people.
But banks do as well; just in a more subtle way.
Yet there are no calls to ban banks.
Tells you about the priorities of our "leaders" right there.
firearms act, not humans...
wait wut???
Must be one of those people who think that, "The gun just went off!"
"Guns dont kill people, people kill people" is such a stupid arguement. Why not give guns to five year olds or to deranged psychotics? You dont do that because guns, like drones or pharmaceuticals, are an enabling technology. Technologies can lead to alterations of human behavior so should be created and disseminated thoughtfully. This should be the topic of discussion, managing the "side effects" of enabling deadly technology, whether guns, drones or pharmaceuticals. I dont mind having my 90 year old mother being required to be recertified as competent to drive. I dont mind having a representative government agency certify that drugs or seafood imported from china are safe. Yes there are potential problems with government intervension which require our vigilence, but human relations are always a challenge. The real discussion concerns achieving the proper dynamic balance between freedom and managing human dysfunction. It is not a choice between black and white extremes - gun control or no gun control. Some sort pf background check, registration, recertification and safety training seems reasonable for car drvers, doctors, pilots, pharmaceutical companies and gun owners. Lets throw in banks too. So lets stop the stupid "guns dont kill people ...." nonsense and get on with constructive discussions.
Do you believe that all evil guns should be banned including those held by law enforcement? If not, why not?
Switzerland doesn't have a lower crime rate than Germany because Switzerland has more guns...Swiss people almost never use their guns for self defence. The only reason gun ownership is still so high is because many people don't bother handing them back after military service.
Correlation isn't the same as causation. It makes perfect sense though that statistics show that LESS GUN DEATHS happen when access to guns is tougher. Australia confirms this, Japan confirms this, and tons of other countries confirm that too. As for the general crime rates, there's a lot more involved than just gun ownership.
Also, even IF (and there aren't any stats suggesting that!) higher rates of gun owernship results in an overall lower crime rate, you would have to look at what crimes are involved. For example, I think it's safe to say that having a 1% higher rate of burglaries is preferrable than having 2 Newtowns...unless you consider burglaries more grave than killed children.
Fact is: fewer guns = less gun deaths...and that alone should make it clear tougher gun control is a good thing. People should really stop listening to clowns like Alex Jones and face facts...
You think having a 1% higher rate of burglaries is preferable to having 2 Newtowns, do you? Do you imagine that if they manage to disarm the US that the rate of burglaries will only rise by 1%? Oh hell no, the criminals (who will still have guns, of course) will have free reign and the rate of burglaries will rise a hell of a lot more than one measly percentage point. And so too will rise the rates of rape, murder, and kidnapping, none of which I'm anxious to experience.
Where will the criminals get these gus from?
You are clueless - you think the gubbermint will disarm you and leave the criminals with guns?
Most guns used from crime in America started out as LEGAL ONES - so your claim is like that of a 4 year old panicking about something that he irrationally fears.
I live ina gun controlled country - I have been burgled 3 times - funny I have never even seen a gun on those 3 occassions.
Funny - because by your logic I shoudl have been subdued by these 'armed criminals' - who exist in gun controlled nations.
Where will the criminals get their guns? From the same place they get them now, you dolt, the black market. Criminals with convictions aren't allowed to buy guns so they get them from black market gun dealers. You really think they government will prevent that from happening if they ban guns? Then take a look at what happened with alcohol during Prohibition. Do rum running, speakeasies, and bathtub gin ring a bell?
If you lived in a not gun-controlled country, you would not have been burgled three times. You would have been burgled once, and would have shot the bastard in the ass as he tried to get out the way he entered, thus discouraging other burglars. I live in a not gun-controlled country. You know how many times I've been burgled? Zero. None. Zip. Zilch. Not having a way to defend oneself makes one easy prey for those with the means to take what you have. I'm not prey. But that doesn't necessarily make me a predator, as your logic would dictate.
And you think that's a selling point for gun control? Then get out there and spread the word. Guns must be banned so that everyone's home can be invaded multiple times with no recourse to self defense. I think people will like that. It's a winner.
You post is totally correct - the NRA goons are citing anomolies in statistics to try to prove that gun legal countries have less crime.
More people are SHOT DEAD in America than ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. We all have a lot of crime to deal with - but in the US you are much more likely to wind up DEAD.
Alex Jones et all are confused about liberty - he thinks he's fighting for HS PERSONAL LIBERTY over others - when if he had half a fucking brain he would realise the liberty of the children massacred had been removed to secure hi gun loving liberty.
So it's self interest - plain and fucking simple - like the people who pursue it.
At least a quarter of a billion people were killed in government wars during the twentieth century and very few of them were Americans let alone Americans residing in America. But the facts be damned when you're busy lording it over others. Forward!
This 'pro-gun' logic is so ridiculous it could have been plucked from a baby otters arse.
Of course people kill people - but that's why YOU DON'T LET THEM HAVE ACCESS TO MUREROUS MACHINERY - if you can help it. You limit the access to them.
But in the backwardsville of NRA America you place your liberty over common sense.
What a bunch of fucking retards gun owners are - they must need the guns because their ability to consturct a logical and infallible argument is clearly lacking - hence the resorting to needing your gun to 'win the argument'.
IN England we have lots of crazees - you see them all the time - thankfully they wander the streets UNARMED and with very little danger to the rest of the citizens.
We are clearly more intelligent than in NRAUS as you foolishly think you can identify the crazees before they shoot up the place.
Yeah - good luck with that morons.
The gun debate is exposing the US for the backward country it really is.
WE have had almost no mass shootings since automatic weapons were banned after Dunblane and Hungerford - LEARN FROM IT YOU THICK GUN RUNNING FUCKWITS.
In America it seems freedom is worth more than childrens lives - in Britain we decided CCHILDRFENS LIVES were worth more.
If you will kindly give me your home address, I will come turn my guns in to you (the ones I haven't sold or lost). Thx!
Dickhead - what are you 4 or something?
Touche! You got me there. But while we're name calling, you are a fascist fuck and you and all the other fascist fucks are in for a rude awakening.
+1 Damn, you've got quite an impressive vocabulary for a four year old. I can only gave upon your lofty heights from my pathetic stance as a three year old and dream. ;)
How's that crime rate doing now that the yobs are granted free access to an unarmed citzenry? How's that suggested knife ban coming? Which dastardly implement of death shall you propose for banning next? Rusty spoons? Nasty-looking rocks?
Your common sense is truly inspiring in its solid fortitude: Limit access to guns for the people, but allow the government to remain armed to the teeth. It's worked splendidly throughout history in Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, and Hitler's Germany.
Common sense....non-American 'gun-running-fuckwit' style.
Your arguement has convinced me. I'm going to go turn in my guns
to the Irish.
Baaaaaaa.
Mommy will keep me safe and warm.
Enough ridiculous discussion. The guns are to protect citizens from the government. It is our final veto. EOS.
Enough playing defense. Time to discuss ways of going after the gun grabbers.
Make.them.pay.
Enough ridiculous discussion. The guns are to protect citizens from the government. It is our final veto. EOS.
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Made me laugh. Quite good when taken into account.
It is part of the 'american' mythology, part to keep in mind.
Very often, 'american' try to pretend they are bossed by an overlord, the big bad government, which conducts a policy they disagree with.
This statement by this 'american' is to be remembered anytime an 'american' shows his duplicity.
In 'american' societies, the government personal is the servant to the 'american' middle class. The government is empowered by the 'american' middle class. The government does the bidding of the 'american' middle class.
Evidence of it:
-'Americans' have a right to arrest
-in the mecca of 'americanism' and some other 'american' places, they have guns to protect them from the tyrany of the government.
The conclusion is plain for all to see.
It is no longer 1777. But 'Americans', even though exposed, are unable to renew their propaganda.
Hence another reason for guns: when you want to force your will on people, and you are no longer able to manipulate them, well, brute force is still an option.
Guns are a perfect enabler for brute force.
AnAnonymous, pecksniffian propagandist, said:
You know what made me laugh? The last time AnAnonymous claimed that 'Americans' have a right to arrest politicians. I laughed because he resorted to pulling out every last item in his Chinese citizenism bag of propagandist tricks and, when that didn't work, he ran away with his tail between his legs. Uproarious humor, courtesy of Chinese citizenism propagandation:
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-03/should-we-arrest-dc-poli...
The same pattern is a repeation of itselfs. He projects his own inadequacies, self-loathing, and shame onto "US citizenism" or, as he now calls it, "americanism". He denies reality, and, if irrefutably challenged, declares victory and runs home to his nanny. Due to his heavy reliance on such primitive defense mechanisms, his prognosis is not optimistic. It is unlikely that he will ever recognize that he has a problem, thus he will never seek help. His insanitation and excremental disorders will always be with him.
Damn all you eastern time-zoners and early risers. I wake up and there's already 400+ comments!
Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.
With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.
You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it...
In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something that looks like a crowbar.
When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.
The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.
One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door
and lurches outside.
As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..
Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you
that the second burglar has died.
They arrest you for First Degree Murder
and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.
When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.
"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask. "Only ten-to-twelve years,"
he replies, as if that's nothing.
"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."
The next day, the shooting is the lead
story in the local newspaper.
Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them..
Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.
But the next day's headline says it all:
"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."
The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..
As the days wear on, the story takes wings.
The national media picks it up,
then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.
Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.
The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack
of effort in apprehending the suspects.
After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege
that you were lying in wait for the burglars.
A few months later, you go to trial.
The charges haven't been reduced,
as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.
When you take the stand, your anger at
the injustice of it all works against you..
Prosecutors paint a picture of you
as a mean, vengeful man.
It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.
The judge sentences you to life in prison.
This case really happened.
On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second.
In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term..
How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ? It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.
This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..
Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.
Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the street shooting everyone he saw.
When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.
The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)
Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland ,
Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.
For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.
Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearm's
still owned by private citizens.
During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.
Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.
Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."
All of Tony Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times,
and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs
who had no fear of the consequences.
Martin himself, a collector of antiques,
had seen most of his collection
trashed or stolen by burglars.
When the Dunblane Inquiry ended,
citizens who owned handguns
were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.
Being good British subjects,
most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn't were visited by police
and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.
Police later bragged that they'd taken
nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.
How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar? WAKE UP AMERICA ;
THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
I live in Britain and half of what you wrote was incorrect and outright LIES.
What drives you to fake information to support gun freedoms?
What abo0ut the liberty of the children killed - shouldn't they have the freedom to be educated without fear of death - or is your need to feel like a man because you have a small penis and your gun makes you feel big - more important than their lives?
I don't own guns to compensate for having a small penis. Rather, I own guns to PROTECT my penis (which, by the way, isn't small. I'd say I'm rather average in that regard).
If children are not all boxed up together in one building for the better part of the day to be indoctrinated--err, I mean, educated, then they won't be sitting ducks for the next insane asshole to come blazing through the door. Same with movie theaters and malls and other places mass murderers operate that don't allow weapons for the common man. Don't be unarmed and don't be in a crowd and you won't be a victim of one man's drug-induced rampage.
You should shut up then. We Americans will decide on what laws are appropriate for us. Until the second amendment is repealed, fuck you and all the other fascist assholes like you.
What about the liberty of the children killed in the ME by british armaments? Do THEY not have the same expectation of 'freedom to be educated without fear of death'?
What about the freedom of the daily victims of violent assault in britain? Do THEY not have the same right to freedom to go about their daily lives without fear of thug assault?
And since you brought it up.....does NOT having a gun help you compensate for your small penis?
Wow,
Caps on LIES. That must mean they are so egregious that you would have no problem listing them.
Yet, you don't.
Most unconvincing. I think I'll keep my right to self defense and not to allow a crazy person ( and those opportunists who use tragedy) to take that right away, thank you, even though a Brit, statistically, has more of a chance of death by assault per capita than in gun-crazed America.
The real danger isn't from the wolves, it's from the sheep wanting others to be sheep.
A gun is made to kill.
If you need one, then you and your community are weak.
I've lived half my life in a place where you didn't lock your front door at night.
No need of a gun when you have trustworthy neighboors and wealth redistribution.
Nuff said.
And there's the problem right there. You're okay with the wealth redistribution. How do you think that wealth redistribution is accomplished? By your government, who possesses, yes, you guessed it, guns.
completely delusional.
nuff said.
But we don't want wealth redistribution. That's why we do want guns. However, if you're intent on redistributing wealth you can feel free to send me a check. I won't object.
How many kids killed by washing machines lately?
You didn't read the entire thread, didja? Because if you had, you would have seen mentioned upthread about a child who drowned in a washing machine.
Do you know how many kids are killed by dangerous toys? More than are killed by guns. Yet I don't hear you crying out that we must ban all toys. I know, it must be because toys aren't designed to kill, right? Do you know how many kids are killed by cars? More than are killed by guns. Yet I don't hear you crying out that cars must be outlawed. It must be because you enjoy the convenience of owning one, yes? Do you know how many kids are killed by cancer? More than are killed by guns. Yet I don't hear you crying out that all carcinogens must not be produced any more. Might it be because you like preserved food, technology, medication, and hygiene, perhaps?
If it really was all about the children you'd be crusading about more than guns. But you're not. And that makes you a huge fucking hypocrite.
How many kids were saved by guns lately and why would you prefer that they be raped and killed?
Woman hiding with kids shoots intruder
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/n...
Another pure fantasy gun control stuff.
'Americans' love their fantasy. They can not do without it.
So they need to bank on the fantasy that 'americans' could do without guns.
Reality: 'americans' wont drop the guns. They simply cant.
'Americans' run a business of extorting the weak, farming the poor.
Guns are primary tools to be used by enforcers of such schemes.
'Americans' cant do without guns at the present moment.
'American' economics is all about consumption.
Dropping down the guns will reduce consumption.
'Americans' usually choose solutions that increase or maintain consumption.
So instead look for solutions that increase consumption:
-body armours for kids. At present time, 'americans' kill kids in the some destitute places.Not much aggregate demand to be expected from there. But killing middle class 'american' kids...
-check points, securization of perimeters, surveillance cameras, scanners etc
-survival course for kids etc
That is what you have to expect from 'americans', the reality.
Even tough 'americans' will keep pimping up their fantasy streak...
They cant do otherwise.
Oh, fuck you and your Chinese citizenism bullshit today. Can't you see we're dealing with enough trolls without your ugly face popping up?
Sure.
'Americans' are so trapped in their fantasy...
The Chinese citizenism stuff is the bullshit of some 'americans' here, their way to cope out and avoid facing 'americanism'
Me? that is about 'americanism'
So here the correction here
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Oh, fuck you and your Americanism bullshit today.
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Sure.
Chinese citizenism citizens are so crapped in their fantasy...
The 'americanism' stuff is the bullshit of one 'AnAnonymican' here, his way to cope out and avoid facing Chinese citizenism and self indiction.
Problem with this kind of Chinese citizenism citizen commenter is they reject reality.
So here the correction here.
'Americans' bound to illustrate how compelled they are by their 'american' nature...
Nearly as deterministic as a gravity field...
Maybe chinese citicenism could elaborate on human rights record, and genocide (great leap forward) of chinese government in recent past. Could it be chinese citicenism is afraid he might become a political prisoner, or worse, if he is honest? Also, might it be the case chinese citicenism has no effective way to resist his tyranical government? Eagerly awaiting your enlightened chinese citicenism response!
That article is a load of crap.
Gun control isn't about taking away guns. It's about having steps to control and track them when someone does buy one. Mandatory wait period, criminal record search, serial number recorded, etc.
Yes there are a minority who would probably prefer people have no guns, the same as people on the flip side want no laws or regulations so they can stock rocket launchers and land mines in their basements.
The simple fact is that the USA has more gun deaths per capita than any other country in the world, probably because there is a gun for every single man, woman or child living there. That *might* be a tip off...
Initially, "Gun control isn't about taking away guns. It's about having steps to control and track them when someone does buy one." Then the confiscatory process will be made much easier.
Fixed it for ya.
'Americans' have this special knack.
'Americans' are cornered. You know, they can not move one toe without showing how empty they are, with no ground for anything.
One has to remember that this 'american' writer is part of the 'american' economics branch labelled 'austrian'
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Those who decry “the guns don’t kill people” line aren’t acknowledging reality. Guns are inanimate objects. They lack free will and consciousness. To say that a gun kills a person is to say that couches, shoes and washing machines can kill people.
In short, guns don’t act – people do.
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It is no longer 1777. 'Americans' fail to renew on their propaganda.
Guns are designed objects and as such, obeys to purpose.
When looking at 'americans', they push certain guns over some others, based on the purpose.
'Americans' wont buy a gun whose lethality is no good.
They prefer guns that deliver.
'Americans' know this and as usual, their acts show how duplicitous they are.
Guns are superior tools over butter knifes when it comes to kill.
Back to the austrian thingie, and their malinvestment hollow concept.
Quite hard to butter bread without butter, even if you have bread and the appropriate tool, a butter knife. That is malinvestment or something.
Quite to kill people without people to kill, even if you have ammo and a gun.
Putting capital to good use. But this 'american' who can write tons on this chapter has to dismiss his own propaganda to allow the gun ownership propaganda in.
Chinese citizenism citizens have this special knack.
Chinese citizenism citizens are not constipated. You know, they can not move one furlong without squatting to empty their bowels, with no unspoiled ground left on any roadside.
One has to remember that this Chinese citizenism citizen commenter is part of the Chinese Citizenism Ministry of Truth propagandation branch labelled 'AnAnonymism'.
Chinese citizenism citizens are pretty good at the excretion business. Trust them, they know what they are doing.
If you believe that guns kill people, then I wouldn't doubt that you also believe that pencils misspell.
I give credit here to the guy in my current avatar, Peter Schiff:
Cars and trucks also kill people. They are a deadly weapon. It's not the person driving the car, it's the car, right? While driving down the road I could come across a bunch of kids lined up to board the school bus. I could suddenly swerve over and mow down all the kids if I wanted to. Was I the killer? Or was it my car/truck? Are we going to outlaw cars and trucks too?
Cars are a weapon? One could have thought they are means of transportation. Who could have know?
Djeee, 'americans' know a lot about designing tools to kill people.
Day 'american' armies are only equipped with cars, butter knifes and the rest, maybe, 'americans' could hope to make a point that is not immediately exposed for the gross litmus test it is.
'Americans' choose guns over cars when it comes to kill people.
AnAnonymous said:
Djeee, delusion or the duplicity of Chinese citizenism is thicker than I thought.
That must be something when the product of your imagination grows into something you can no longer think.
Waooo. 'Americans'...
Your crustification of the mattering thing is very much something.
the weapon is whatever i choose. if i beat you to death with the lid from a washing machine it would be considered a murder weapon.
it's not the gun that makes somebody dangerous, it is simply the will to act.
The first action undertaken by "Anti-Gun" victims of a crime is to dial 911 and plead for someone with a gun to come to their rescue...
Ban cell phones. They wont be able to call in and the population of anti guns will be reduced by their own inappropriate beliefs.
Signed: an American.
The path to follow steadfastly is to glorify Chinese citizenism, to justify blobbing up of PR of C on the behalf of humanity, to hide behind the group of Chinese citizenism in order to dilute their responsibility.
That is what Chinese citizenism citizens do. Facts are only facts when they are acknowledged by Chinese citizenism citizens.
Signed: AnAnonymous
Back to stealing handles...
Ah, 'americans', once a thief... Theft is so vital in 'americanism'...
And you still haven't defined Americanism.
This is a stark truth that pretty much ends the discussion.
Why are gun grabbers never concerned about killer cops who shoot unarmed citizens in their own homes?
Because their beloved State can do no wrong. Killer cops are certified 'experts' and everyone knows you can't argue with someone certified by the State.
They know whats best and will draw those pretty little chalk lines around your rapidly cooling body, even if they put you down by themselves.
Amateur gun owners may hinder that process and that is unacceptable.
Mommys gonna keep baby cozy and warm.
Give up those nasty guns or Mommy will get angry.
Here, here's a nice Kumbaya songbook and a guitar instead.
Man crushed to death after fall into industrial washing machine
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/07/man-crushed-to-death-after...
'American' armies decide to switch to industrial washing machine instead of guns.
.
...and, as a result, AnAnonymous loses yet another laundry washing job.
I hereby propose an amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America that outlaws the possession, use, and distribution of washing machines, both residential and commercial, to any person under the age of consent, to be defined as below the age of 21 nationally, and to limit the sale of detergent to a quantity no greater than 2 fluid ounces, and to prohibit the possession of measuring cups greater than 8 fluid ounces. This amendment will eradicate the rash of recent washing machine violence that has overtaken our great nation.
Sponsor: Dianne Feinstein
Consponsors: the rest of the goons in Congress who think banning is the answer
Waste of time discussing with all the trolls on here.
Lets face it though, if the NRA's idea of having armed guards at schools is such a stupid idea, why does the school that Obama's children go to have 11 armed guards, not including the secret service which are there specifically to watch over his children. It seems acceptable there, why is it unacceptable when it comes to your kids or my kids?
The waste of time:
believing one nanosecond 'americans' can get rid of the guns.
That is the waste of time.
'Americans' cant get rid of the guns. It wont happen.
After that, in union with their eternal 'nature', they will stage fantasies and claim they can get rid of their guns in order to consume even more.
But that is it: fantasy.
The reality is they cant get rid of the guns.
The waste of time: AnAnonymous.
But his nature is it: fantasy.
Taking harbour in a world of fantasy from the storm of insanitation, that is his crusty jack in trade. Wishing for symetry is a powerful addiction.
Been debunked for ages but hey, if Chinese citizenism citizens could escape their nature, it would no longer be eternal.
'Common sense says that disarming law-abiding citizens will make them more susceptible to harm. But in the aftermath of a tragedy such as Sandy Hook, rational thought is tossed aside in favor of short run solutions.'
great strawman.
Big Pharma is the elephant in the room
How on earth do you expect the media to report the truth when half their ad dollars are coming from ED, Statin, depression, state-your-acronym-in-full drugs? I think this is one of the very big problems with the FCC and allowing drugs to be advertised. Other countries do no do this.
Some off the cuff facts:
More people OD and die on common prescription drugs than ALL illegal drugs combined. Around 10k per year, dead.
SSRIstories.com has chronicled almost 5000 incindences of suicide and murder associated with folks on SSRI's.
suicide rates are the same now as they were before SSRI's were introduced. effective? benefit? risk? Should 11% of Americans really be taking these?
Folk's: The fact that you are not even getting this discussed (the Aurora murderer just had it revealed that he was taking mental meds - 6 months LATE) should give you some serious pause. If there is nothing to see here, then let us look. The truth likely is that SSRI's do make some people completely irrational and crazy in significant percentages (1-5%). Zombie crazy.
The money is so big that the truth is silenced. WTFU. Guns? sure, they are the instrument (I can only imagine how creative the crazies will get when the guns are removed...chain saws? maybe just IEDs? who knows? removing the guns from SSRI drugged crazy people still leaves motivated crazy people......oh, and that other little bit of truth - 85% of all gun related crime occurs with guns that are procured illegally....disarmed honest folks and still armed criminals....with crazy people roaming.
How about some truth?
posted this before - pretty much sums it up:
“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.
And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”
This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.
Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.
If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.
The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.
And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.
Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.
According to Public Intelligence:
“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.’ Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being ‘necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities’ under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.”
And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.
That is your choice… for the moment.
Regards,
Jim Karger
Read more: When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over http://dailyreckoning.com/when-they-come-for-your-guns-you-will-turn-them-over/#ixzz2HUhdxHEhfor The Daily Reckoning
You are entitled to your opinion even if a foolish one.
Tuco
Americans tend not to do what they are told to do, by anyone and espcially those who they don't like and those who have lied to them.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
that guy doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. i swear to christ it's like every asshole that lives in a big city thinks the entire country is one big city.
All this sums up is Jim Karger will go down on his knees and beg for his life from anyone when TSHTF. No wonder why he disparages anyone who says they will do otherwise. No doubt he will apply to be a sonderkommando digging the burial pits.
Not exactly an inspiring choice of action in my book.
But that's how some people roll.
THe NRA seems to think that when bad guys know there are guns where they want to go..... they don't go there. OK. THen why are they all bent outta shape that that newspaper printed the names of gun owners? By their logic, these people should be alot safer now because the bad guys know they have guns. What am I missing here?
You are missing a couple of points. Perhaps you got the point that these crimes usually happen in 'gun free zones', not places like schools with armed guards, etc. The point you are missing is journalistic responsibility. What is the point of printing where all these guns owners are? Is it to prove some point about safety in the neighborhoods or some reasonable thing, or just to be petulant children wanting to 'out' someone they disagree with. Replace gun owners with gay couples and the media would be up in arms. I would agree that printing the names makes an area safer, at least for those owners, but doesn't it also point out the 'gun free zones' in that neighborhood for criminals to fiocus on?
It's a stupid, petty, and irresponsible thing to do, that's all.
THe people who names were printed are the ones who are hot. Why? The paper made them safer according to the NRA. In fact, I'm sure the NRA is for a return to the Old West were everyone has a Colt on their hip in plain view. So why would they be mad if bad guys know people have guns? Sorry, their logic eludes me.
Perhaps people just don't like being outed for a non criminal activity.
So, you are all for printing these names and making it safer for criminals who could now easily know what homes would offer least resistance?
That logic eludes me.
If guns are dangerous and those who employ them must be outed then why did the newspaper in question hire armed guards in order to protect their employees?
The other thing I do not understand is why gun owenrs do not understand the concern over the level firepower available. Let's say someone decided to smash up your car with a bat. Now, as we know, bats do not smash cars....people do. OK. But....would you rather the guy smashing your car had a Louisville Slugger....or a whiffle ball bat?
I'd like to have the option to also own a lousville slugger, instead of being limited to a whiffle ball bat, so I could adust the attitude of the car basher.
Just as I am all for the person close to me that has been a victim of rape to be able to carry if that will make her safer and avoid her having to ever go through that again. Doesn't mean I have to carry also, but I can't bring myself to take away her rights in order to prevent ( unlikely it would actually prevent it even if guns were outlawed) a criminally insane person or toxically medicated one from going out and shooting up a school or something.
OK....but does she need a bazooka?
Your trollness is weak, Grasshopper. You must study harder.
You are a blithering idiot. Is this the best that the "low information" contingent can do?
So you would prefer that little old ladies should go up against assailants mano-a-mano?
Armed 82 year old woman fends off would-be killerAn 82 year old woman from Sierra Vista, Arizona used her handgun to stop an attacker who was trying to beat her to death with her own cane.
http://www.examiner.com/article/armed-82-year-old-woman-fends-off-would-...
OK....but did she need an AK-47? Appearently not.
That's because you're a little old lady. Maybe not but definitely a pussy.
First of all, anything with 'von Mises' in it is automatically nonsense. The modern Austrian's fundamental premise -- that industrial enterprises are productive and are constrained by government -- is false. Industrial enterprises require a large, constant debt subsidy alsong with an entity that can run continuous deficits without going out of business. Industrialization requires governments. More industrialization = more governments = more government deficits.
Regulations benefit industries not the citizens, they facilitate the creation of industrial cartels.
Diminishing debt subsidy (due to increased real fuel costs) is unraveling the world economy. There is nothing that can be done to 'make the status quo work' by eliminated a component of the status quo. It's like suggesting a car work better without a gas tank because it would save weight.
People certainly disagree but those who do should point out the shortcomings of the foregoing observations.
Austrians/von Mises groups have no credibility in their so-called areas of expertise (other than as being stooges for big business). Where do the gain credibility w/ regard firearms? How about lawnmowers? Feminine hygiene products? Computer software and digital cameras? What is von Mises opiion about RGIII?
- Since when did possessing a consumer product become a constitutional issue? Where is the toilet paper amendment?
- If the country is going to ban firearms, why not ban cars first? Cars are unaffordable, they are more destructive than consumer firearms, they have a higher body count, they are sucking up the world's fuel supply right under everyone's nose, they are the primary component of climate change/global warming.
- Cars are going to go anyway, see fuel supply, above.
- Violence and depression are reasonable responses to gawd-awful living environment in the US: we live in a gigantic, open air parking facility. We exist to circulate pointlessly from gas station to gas station trapped inside ugly metal boxes ... we do this until we die. We are surrounded by ugliness, meanness, greed, unfairness, expedients (that are failing BTW) corruption, decay, ruin ... there is nothing, nobody to care about, nothing that will care about us.
The crazy people usually have something to say but their means of expression overwhelms their message. These people don't want 'help' they want improvements. They are pointing the accusing finger at us.
Bottom line? Crazy people have a message ... the von Mises folks not so much.
Someone should start a Crazy Lobby and you're just the man for the job.
Why bother? You're the real gun crazy.
the problem with guns is they go off