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It's Getting Hot In Here: 2012 Hottest Year On Record

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2012 was a historic year for extreme weather that included drought, wildfires, hurricanes and storms. But, as NOAA reported yesterday, 2012 marked the warmest year on record for the contiguous United States. The average temperature for 2012 was 55.3°F, 3.2°F above the 20th century average, and 1.0°F above 1998, the previous warmest year. Rainfall was dismal also at 26.57 inches, 2.57 inches below average, making it the 15th driest year on record for the nation. NOAA also adds that the U.S. Climate Extremes Index indicated that 2012 was the second most extreme year on record for the nation, nearly twice the average value and second only to 1998. 2012 saw 11 disasters that reached the $1 billion threshold in losses. Climate Central also confirms that fully two-thirds of the lower 48 states recorded their first-, second- or third-hottest years, and 43 states had one of their top 10 warmest years ever recorded. Globally, 2012 appears to be the eight warmest on record.


Hottest Year on Record


And one of the driest (least precipitation) on record...


With very significant events everywhere...


but it's not just the US, the world saw extreme weather everywhere...


Source: NOAA and Climate Central


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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:26 | 3136084 Fukushima Sam
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I'm sure everything is just fine on planet Earth.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:33 | 3136128 trav777
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cue up the moonbats in 3...2...1....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:41 | 3136185 Comay Mierda
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From National Geographic:

“Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg’s Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

From MIT on Pluto

“the average surface temperature of the nitrogen ice on Pluto has increased slightly less than2 degrees Celsius over the past 14 years.”

Since Pluto is moving further away from the Sun and continuing to warm despite that fact, it indicates that something doesn’t fit into “Solar Constant” dismissal theories.

From on Jupiter:

“The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe.”

From MIT on Triton:

“At least since 1989, Triton has been undergoing a period of global warming. Percentage-wise, it’s a very large increase,” said Elliot, professor of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences and director of the Wallace Astrophysical Observatory. The 5 percent increase on the absolute temperature scale from about minus-392 degrees Fahrenheit to about minus-389 degrees Fahrenheit would be like the Earth experiencing a jump of about 22 degrees Fahrenheit.”

So there is Global Warming on at least 4 other bodies in our Solar System that co-insides with the recent warming on Earth. Doesn’t this point strongly towards the Sun or some other Cosmic force as the cause?

On the origin of the runaway global warming theory of CO2 Feedback and Venus (PDF):

“Why is the albedo of Venus important? When the albedo is at 0.80, the Global Warming Theory falls apart. . .

The carbon dioxide levels on Earth have risen from approximately 0.028% to 0.036% in the last few decades. It is a major stretch to compare this with Venus at a 96.500% carbon dioxide level and promote an uncontrollable runaway condition. Earth in its early history, 385 million years ago, had an atmosphere with 10 times the present carbon dioxide levels. Those elevated levels did not produce runaway global warming then, so why should we theorize that it would today?”

Pre-conceived agendas and a scorched earth policy of accusing any critics of complicity with Big Oil or the Republican Party impedes the scientific process. Likening people who do not agree with doomsday Anthropogenic Global Warming theories to Holocaust Deniers does not get us closer to the truth. In Science, when did “Skeptic” become such a bad word?

An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change:

“The best measurements of global air temperatures come from American weather satellites, and they show wobbles but no overall change since 1999.

That leveling off is just what is expected by the chief rival hypothesis, which says that the sun drives climate changes more emphatically than greenhouse gases do. After becoming much more active during the 20th century, the sun now stands at a high but roughly level state of activity. Solar physicists warn of possible global cooling, should the sun revert to the lazier mood it was in during the Little Ice Age 300 years ago.

In a box of air in the basement, they were able to show that electrons set free by cosmic rays coming through the ceiling stitched together droplets of sulfuric acid and water. These are the building blocks for cloud condensation. But journal after journal declined to publish their report; the discovery finally appeared in the Proceedings of the Royal Society late last year.”

Open Letter of Resignation to the IPCC from Chris Landsea:

“I personally cannot in good faith continue to contribute to a process that I view as both being motivated by pre-conceived agendas and being scientifically unsound.”

Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence:

“But there is a more sinister side to this feeding frenzy. Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis.”

– MIT Professor Richard Lindzen


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:46 | 3136207 buzzsaw99
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too much truthiness. if it weren't for all the smut in the air earth would be even hotter and they know it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:58 | 3136272 tmosley
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I'm fairly certain that the globe contains more than the continental US.  What does the temperature for the rest of the world show?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:04 | 3136301 Flakmeister
Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:10 | 3136340 Vagabond
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There is a clear correlation between debt levels and temperature.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:15 | 3136372 yrbmegr
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They may have a common cause.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:38 | 3136505 dwdollar
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One large volcanic eruption and people will be begging for global warming while they starve to death due to global crop failures.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:42 | 3136522 yrbmegr
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In that scenario, I would expect the relationiship between debt levels and temperature to break down.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:12 | 3136651 Arthor Bearing
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The Earth's climate is too complicated for us to establish clear causation for temperature increases using current technology, but our industry will eventually kill everyone, whether through stripping arable land until there's no food, or through poisoning fresh water and rainfall, or some other unforeseen consequence of our technological society.

I don't think you can fairly disqualify an idea just because liberals are behind it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:20 | 3136678 laozi
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Of course you can. Remember: only a terrorist would measure temperature and gather data.

Also: scientists look like geeks with their glasses on. More chicks for me. BO-YAH


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:37 | 3138028 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Hottest year on record?

C'mon, they say that every year.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:43 | 3138062 Thomas
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That was very clever. BTW-This may be the scariest heatmap, not the other one.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:21 | 3136681 dwdollar
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"I don't think you can fairly disqualify an idea just because liberals are behind it."

You can't... but rest assured they haven't pondered too deeply about it. That is, what's actually causing the problem and what solutions (if any) and sacrifices would be necessary to correct the problem.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:48 | 3136807 SilverDOG
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No trees, same result.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:46 | 3136793 SilverDOG
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Trees = paper.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:15 | 3136375 Flakmeister
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Yes, there is a relationship and there is a very good reason why...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:33 | 3136736 Harbanger
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“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” - Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.” - Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” - Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” - Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:55 | 3136823 Toxicosis
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Concerning your last three quotes, are any of these individuals climate scientists involved with the assessment of scientific journals and their related articles?  Do you perceive that opinions are science especially opinions of non-scientists?  A great book called Idiot America expounds on the war on expertise, by none other than well......idiots.  If everybody thinks their an expert than virtually no-one is.  Flakmeister is asking people to think and analyze for themselves, scoffing and mocking and ludricous assertions did not bring us cars, planes, computers or polymers.  Science did, and people's ability to use and apply science by educating themselves in the facts, might there be a lesson or two for you in there.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:10 | 3136882 Harbanger
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Global warming is a NWO scam for global control and redistribution of resources.  The U.N. is using the false threat of global warming to assert its power over sovereign nations.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:17 | 3136904 DaveyJones
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Big government and big corporations lie about everything and every subject. Your argument means nothing. Stick to the evidence and the science. Are you saying the UN is the only vested interest here? Big energy can only move presidents and wars.  

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:02 | 3137431 Totentänzerlied
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Big energy can only move presidents and wars. 

You imply energy companies and presidents are not on the same team. You are still watching the puppets and not the strings.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:18 | 3137855 DaveyJones
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"only" was sarcastic. Let's see peak oil, the wars that result, the effects of burning it and reasons for skewing the evidence and motivations are in the interest of both players. Like debt and the crazy criminal financial system, both players need each other more than ever to keep moving forward. If you think the puppet show does not work in both directions, you're no Jim Henson 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:19 | 3136915 Flakmeister
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I suppose you believe that because you are too ignorant to understand the science? Because otherwise you could point to credible evidence to suggest that GW is wrong...  And since you cannot perform the latter we are left with the the conclusion that you are a simplistic fool that that is incapable of grasping the concept and have no credibility on the matter...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:45 | 3137031 cougar_w
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I've recently given up on thinking these people are simple fools. I'm moving toward the dark side and thinking now they are here specifically to spread propaganda. The level of denial and hysteria is too comical to be anything but a deliberate theatre of the strange.

I'm not entirely sure what I think about that. But I think it's creepy, mostly.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:08 | 3137123 Bob
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Freud posited two basic drives, eros and thanatos.  So much for lovers . . . as the unhappily married women who are the bread and butter of psychotherapy practices so monotomously complain, they are not the guys who make the money and run the show. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:42 | 3137694 Cathartes Aura
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ahh, if only those "unhappily married women" would unpack the baggage of their adopted labels, they might find themselves free to choose otherwise. . .

but like the scientists who can only get attention publishing what funding pays for, unhappy + marriage + gender role-playing (works for "men" too) is a booming business to unravel, whether on the psych couch or the lawyer's courts.

so unnecessary, but a feature of the system, mmHmm. . .

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:15 | 3138233 Bob
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How's that make you feel?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:19 | 3138589 SDShack
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"Hide the decline."

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:20 | 3136919 Anusocracy
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AGW is an emotional issue, not a scientific one. Both sides have their confirmation biases turned up.

How well does AGW, pro and con, correlate with political beliefs?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:46 | 3137035 cougar_w
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Climate study is a science.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:56 | 3137073 Harbanger
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At least 31,487 American scientists disagree with the man made Global warming theory and have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:08 | 3137121 Flakmeister
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And how many of them are climate scientists?

You are easily fooled or a hapless unwitting shill...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:19 | 3137164 Harbanger
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Maybe you took your social science classes too seriously.  I know you're probably a young smart guy who did well in school.  Those are the hardest to convince because they learned the misinformation too well.  It's hard to admit to themselves that maybe what they learned is wrong.  You'll get over it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:26 | 3137191 Flakmeister
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Sorry, never took a social science class in my life, I preferred heavy lifting...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:03 | 3137437 Totentänzerlied
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How much can your ego bench?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:01 | 3138161 Flakmeister
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Sorry if you were'nt up to it when you were younger....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:22 | 3137473 DaveyJones
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are those the same PhDs we read about in that article the other day?

There's quite a few folks with fancy letters after their name. We deal with that in court every day. It really depends on what they do, who pays them and whether they've done anything with the evidence 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:47 | 3137321 Anusocracy
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But not climate predictions.

That is a belief.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:24 | 3137934 cougar_w
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Climate predictions are statistical mathematics based on climate science. Mathematics is not a science, but it is a useful tool.

Predictions are possibilites. like the possibility that you will end up with lung cancer if you smoke a lot of cigarettes. Maybe you will and maybe you won't. Maybe you'll give up smoking in the off-chance it will save you from dying early and painfully of lung cancer. Lots of people gave up smoking on the probability alone because the likely outcome of cancer was far more horrific than the minimal pleasure of smoking.

Maybe you wouldn't and didn't. Maybe you never smoked.

Nobody cares what you think about it either way. Or what you do. Everyone knows the risks and does what they think is correct for themselves.

That is why climate prediction is important.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:36 | 3139043 DaveyJones
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well said.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:14 | 3139384 Anusocracy
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It's based on models that have already failed to predict the last fourteen years.

And you want to extend that out to 100 years?

That's incredibly stupid.


Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:27 | 3140057 ForTheWorld
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The same can be said for economics.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:26 | 3138616 SDShack
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AGW is a money, influence, political power issue. Just read the Climategate Emails that exposed all the fraud in the AGW fanaticsm and you will see the believers are nothing more than religious zealots clinging to their "scientific" religion that cannot be proven with any repeatable Scientific Method. What's even more ridiculous is that these same so called "scientists" that believe in AGW also believe in evolution, yet cannot seem to understand how that same evolution that only results in higher level life, is somehow threatened by the very higher order life (humans) that evolution created. Their circular logic is even a greater affront to any scientific method that they choose to either ignore or falsify.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:01 | 3138730 Flakmeister
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That is some pretty tortured reasoning...

PS As for Climategate, that dog don't hunt anymore.... (not that it ever did)

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:05 | 3137454 silverserfer
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the excess heat given off by the overworked printing presses is clearly the cause

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:28 | 3136443 tmosley
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From the first link, I took in the maximum amount of data available from GISTEMP, from what I assume is 1880 to what I assume is 2012 (not marked very well on the chart).  What I see is an increase of ~0.9 degrees C from 1880 to present.

Looking from 1990 to present, though it shows an upward sloping trend, the start and end temperature is only different by about 0.1 degrees, though the number from 1990 is at the top of a peak, while 2012 (?) is at the bottom of a trough.

Very interesting is the trend since 1970.  There seems to be a clear change that happens right there.  Of course, the time period right around 1970 sets off alarms for anyone who is knowledgeable about the history of gold as money.  Something strange seems to be going on there.

Do you have any similar data sets on CO2 emissions?  Did those also spike around that time?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:50 | 3136563 Flakmeister
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In ~1970, we started cut back on emitting S02 a powerful aerosol....

Don't be a lazy prick, you can google atmospheric c02 concentrations yourself... You do claim to  understand the most rudimentary basics of research, don't you?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:51 | 3137052 squib
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He will go do some DD (he does it for a living)...and then he'll want to compare with what you found. Settle down now flakky-poo.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:09 | 3137127 Flakmeister
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Yeah... just like the time he swore up and down that Roundup was not a Endocrine disruptor...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:27 | 3137960 trav777
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uh, no he won't.

oh wait that strawberry blonde with the big t!ts and tan lines ad is back

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:36 | 3136754 tango
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I certainly am not basing my views on majority opinion among posters - most of whom could not define "isobar".  I am convinced that evidence reveals the climate is changing rapidly and this is the key.  It is not the change but the rapidity of change that is troubling. (Yes, the sun is warming but this is a multi-billion year process - not 100 years.) 

The author of "Physics for the Future Presidents" agrees with you - temps have risen 1 degree C since 1900 and there is a 90% chance that at least half of this is man-made.   This seems reasonable since the Earth is a close system and heat released through fossil fuels has nowhere to go. In the end, technology will save us through efficiency and new energies. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:05 | 3137448 Matt
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"This seems reasonable since the Earth is a close system and heat released through fossil fuels has nowhere to go."

Heat is lost to space, if it is not trapped. That is the entire argument for AGW.

"In the end, technology will save us through efficiency and new energies. "

Since human nature will never change, the only thing that has over history is technology, so hopefully we can develop some kind of solution. I doubt efficiency will be the solution, what with Jevons Paradox and all.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:56 | 3139121 Bob
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The Jevons paradox has been used to argue that energy conservation is futile, as increased efficiency may increase fuel use. Nevertheless, increased efficiency can improve material living standards. Further, fuel use declines if increased efficiency is coupled with a green tax or other conservation policies that keep the cost of use the same (or higher).[3] As the Jevons paradox applies only to technological improvements that increase fuel efficiency, policies that impose conservation standards and increase costs do not display the paradox.

Sounds like we need the collective to save us with common sense.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:26 | 3136839 ClassicalLib17
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NOAA is in the tank with the alarmists.  Try this on for size:  

Subscribe and you will receive a weekly newsletter every Sunday night.  The truth is out there.  Just not where Flakmeister, the resident ZH "expert" says it is. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:49 | 3137043 cougar_w
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NOAA has a job to do. If in the course of doing their job they become alarmed then maybe someone ought to pay attention to that?

Just say'n.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:04 | 3137445 Totentänzerlied
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The SEC has a job to do too.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:24 | 3137564 Flakmeister
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Yeah, easy to buy off the SEC clods with an offer of a cushy IB job...

So just who is buying off the guys at NOAA or for that matter the university based researchers?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:51 | 3137748 TPTB_r_TBTF
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So just who is buying off the guys at NOAA or for that matter the university based researchers?

Well, obviously people with *money*and*motives* are buying off the researchers.


At the confab, European Chairman of the Trilateral Commission, Bilderberger and chairman of British Petroleum Peter Sutherland, gave a speech to his cohorts in which he issued a "Universal battle cry arose for the world to address “global warming” with a single voice."



Echoing this sentiment was General Lord Guthrie, director of N.M. Rothschild & Sons, member of the House of Lords and former chief of the Defense Staff in London, who urged the Trilateral power-brokers to "Address the global climate crisis with a single voice, and impose rules that apply worldwide."


Big Money Behind AGW Propganda


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:26 | 3137954 DaveyJones
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you forgot the $10,000 offer from the oil companies for the "other side."

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:46 | 3136209 CPL
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Don't worry those that don't believe in climate change and the outcome of crop failure just won't be fed.  Problem solved.  


Besides what were they going to do about it anyways?  Nothing.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:18 | 3136376 NidStyles
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The problem is that you want people to BELIEVE in something rather than actually proving something to be truthful.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:36 | 3136468 CPL
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Doesn't matter.  340 acres around me that grew no corn, wheat or oats proves to me otherwise as does the falling yeild of 30% over ten years has final snapped.  I grew nothing last year, all dead by July.   I don't have to BELIEVE in that.  I just have to look at a dead field and an empty wallet.  So you can politely go fuck yourself on that FACT.

The POT growers...the fine purveyor of a WEED grew nothing.  A weed not growing...what does that tell you?  In turn in our area that meant the guy the cops rent the plane from to find the crops didn't fly as often, so his plane is up forsale because energy prices are too high and he didn't have enough business.  In turn that laid off two cops (good people) that would usually be needed to help with the varible fines and processing that is levied from capturing these guys.


Growing a plant, any plant requires a lot of water and energy.  Since water was scarce and energy is expensive.  Here's my prediction.  You are going to miss a couple of meals, that's if anyone cares enough to ship some your direction and it's available and moving to an area with food will be a challenge for most of you because energy is expensive.


I don't understand why people don't believe the government when it talks an economy, but when it comes to food you guys will choke yourselves on any cock offered.  Seriously think these people have your best interests at heart in any matter anymore.  We live in a world of paper silve, gold and wheat.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:37 | 3136495 Dangertime
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Because your bad year at farming, or maybe your bad skillset, is clearly a 100% indicator of man-made global warming.


Fvking retard.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:40 | 3136514 CPL
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And it wasn't one bad year.  It's been eight.  But you've never worked on a farm so your opinion is worth piss in a bucket.  Enjoy starvation.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:08 | 3136618 dwdollar
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Read about the Dust Bowl... Longterm cyclical droughts are actually the norm, especially in the central US. The last (relatively wet) 50 years are not. There are a lot of factors which led to this bubble, many of them not so obvious.

Farming is difficult. The physical demands are nothing compared to the mental mind-fuck. That's why people left farming for easy jobs. Sorry about your luck though.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:18 | 3136674 Bicycle Repairman
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"That's why people left farming for easy jobs"

Mechanization had something to do with it, I believe.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:35 | 3136746 dwdollar
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It did while there were easy jobs available in the cities. Otherwise, they would have had no choice but to farm.

The tractor made economic since later... when you had 400 acres to farm instead of 40.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:36 | 3136749 CPL
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Sort of.  The valley flys in Jamacians and Mexicans to help as farm hands during the summer.  I like to think of it as the time the food and music improves during the year.  (local beer, jamacian jerk chicken bbq and proper mexican refried beans with churros = heaven)

If you can afford the equipment.  For around a 200k you can get a good combine used (baring fixing and replacement).  New for about half a million for a decent mid range one.  The loan rates for them are good this year though @ 12% from John Deer versus the Japanese, European, Russian and Chinese crap.  

In farm equipment, only one country knows how to make it well.  The USA.  Everything else won't last five years.  So if considering equipment, pay the premium for US made equipment.  Couple of reasons.

  • The warranties are rock solid.  
  • The after market parts are quality and reasonably priced (barings and struts mainly).
  • The ROI is measured in decades if you treat your equipment well.
  • Lots of engineering guys in basements work on products to make them better because they are built to be repaired in a field versus forklifted to a dealer. 

Used good equipment can cost nearly as much as new imports, there's a reason for that.  You will get your money out of it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:23 | 3136689 CPL
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I'm not in the dust bowl.  I'm in Ontario.  Provider of a lion's share of world apple, corn, cheap grapes, peaches, spring plum and winter wheat production.  

We are the back up to the dust bowl and the prairies because that sort of thing hasn't ever happened since 1830.  It is something that just does not happen.  Ever.  Because of our seasons the land management is handled differently to avoid what the Feds in the USA did during 1930's.  

Nothing to be done about it now but find new things to grow.  Nearly a decade of attempting to get corn and wheat to grow to scale of the land and declining yields.  Just means people will have to learn new recipes if they want to eat something and be capable of identifying food when presented.  A for Apple will be replaced by A for Albatross.



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:01 | 3136834 dwdollar
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Even if the Earth is warming and humans are the main culprit, what the hell are we gonna do about? No practical solutions exist, which DO NOT include massive depopulation. So unless you can sell that politically, all you're gonna due is give more of your money to government to enact ridiculous "solutions" which achieve nothing but more hardship. The best thing we can do is adapt and hope new technologies save us later down the road. Or we can all pray for a volcanic eruption which is gonna happen sooner or later anyhow.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:11 | 3136888 DaveyJones
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yes, I feel the same way about bankers, torture, the second amendment and the first. Just keep looking the other way.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:22 | 3136928 CPL
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What are we saving exactly?

  • EBT participants?  
  • Suburbanite nail and hair stylists?
  • Soccer moms?
  • Goat herder 6000 miles away?
  • Lawyer on capitol hill?
  • hobo's riding the rails?
  • etc...

Why save them?  

I like to think of it as mother nature saying enough is enough, she'll groom the human herd back a bit until we smarten up.  This is part of survival of the fittest.  

I haven't cried as the loss of habitats for animals.  I doubt most people will concern themselves with the human race going to more 'equitable' levels by the natural process of culling an oversized herd of humans.  In fact I bet a beer people won't even notice until the process starts to happen in their area of the world.  If it happens, it happens and there is nothing to be done about it except what you bring yourself.  Technology only goes so far when applied against a massive amount of mouths to feed and declining energy quality.

Think of it this way.  If we lost 90% of the human race tomorrow what would happen?

  • First thing is gas would get cheap again.
  • Most of all the renewable infrastructure could actually provide the remaining 10% with their FULL energy needs with extra.
  • Farming could be brought back to a proper scale along with the resource requirements.
  • Food in storage would last longer, not indefinitely, but it's breathing room to allow for proper prioritization of resource distribution.
  • Finished products like lumber, nails, bolts, copper wire, thick heavy guage steel would be available in un-needed factories and infrastructure.

These don't seem like bad things.  It's just getting the human race under the 500 million mark and keeping it that way.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:45 | 3136792 Panafrican Funk...
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Human sourced global warming debates are irrelevant, the only thing that matters is yield.  You can't bullshit yield.  Yield was fucked for a lot of crops last year.  It's probably going to be fucked again this summer.  Blame it on whatever the fuck you want, but that's the reality.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:24 | 3136935 DaveyJones
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and don't forget those water tables. Yikes

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:27 | 3137959 cougar_w
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We will likely starve to death from climate-driven crop failures before global warming gets around to drowning us in melt water.

For some reason I take little comfort from this.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:29 | 3137972 DaveyJones
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I second that vote

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:07 | 3136874 Toxicosis
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Wrong!  Believing or not believing is irrelevant and is nothing but a  fallacy.  ACCEPTANCE of EVIDENCE and comprehension of evidence is what brings us closer to a truth.  Once again to spout off about what you think or what you believe devoid of examining the evidence for yourself, and also comprehending the evidence leaves you as another American idiot.  Opinions are not science, assessment and measuring of actual phenomenon is science.  Not having any relevant background to investigate the science is a great impediment to discovering any functioning phenomenon especially of the natural world.  That is why education is important especially in the sciences since we cannot have lawyers, politicians, and frigging philosophers making decisions or voicing their opinions on matters they have no comprehension of.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:30 | 3136964 DaveyJones
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well said

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:20 | 3137519 Anusocracy
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I have to disagree.

It is not just 'assessment' or 'measuring', it is objectivity, transparency, veracity and peer review.

All of which appears to be sadly lacking in the AGW-Global Warming-Climate Change crowd.

What is occurring now is a repeat of this unfortunate incident:

"Muller was awarded the 1946 Nobel Prize in medicine for his discovery that X-rays induce genetic mutations. This helped him call attention to his long-time concern over the dangers of atomic testing. Muller's intentions were good, Calabrese points out, but his decision not to mention key scientific evidence against his position has had a far-reaching impact on our approach to regulating radiation and chemical exposure."

When you get right down to it, it is a conlict of belief systems: conservative-libertarian based vs liberal based.

A conflict in which liberals have a greater emotional investment in protecting what provided their ancestors' livelihood - nature, while conservatives/libertarians support what brought about the modern world - technology.



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:27 | 3137581 Flakmeister
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What the fuck are you babbling about re: lack of objectivity?

Can you provide any concrete examples of it in Climate Science and their peer review process? If not, STFU...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:14 | 3138780 ClassicalLib17
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What peer review process?  You folks are full of shit and you're probably all lined up with Al Gore's Climate Exchange in Chicago.  GFY's

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:49 | 3139466 Anusocracy
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When the AGWers make threats to the non-believers, you can see that their beliefs are tantamount to a religion. They tried removing past warm periods and fabricated Mann's Hockey Stick. They rely mostly on scare tactics instead proof, of which they have none, but still promote their beliefs as the gospel truth.

They are thinking emotionally, not objectively, just as if someone's religious beliefs were being attacked. If they were thinking objectively, they would have noticed the decline in temperature after 1998 and been more open to other opinions. But no.

Why didn't you question the lying and secrecy, they go along nicely with their intolerance - all emotionalism.

All this is a coup against technology fomented by liberal minds.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 11:43 | 3140647 Flakmeister
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I see you are still long on innuendo and bullshit and light on facts...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:32 | 3137999 DaveyJones
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Mother earth is not a liberal, a socialist, a libertarian, or a conservative. She's just pissed off at her dumbshit kids.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:51 | 3139472 Anusocracy
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She's a chaotic mother, not a linear mother.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:11 | 3137475 Totentänzerlied
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No, the first problem is that crops can fail for an infinite number of reasons, and he is too much of a shill to realize how stupid he sounds by implying otherwise. The second problem is that in typical alarmist fashion, his proposed solution is barbaric and does not even pretend to be just, equitable, or fair, let alone ethical.

Perhaps he used to write for Pravda.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:16 | 3136380 TuPhat
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Globally it wasn't at all the warmest.   Not worried about getting fed.  I will feed myself, thank you.  Only socialists think someone else should feed them.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:43 | 3136532 CPL
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Good, that's the attitude most people should be taking.


Food doesn't care about politics.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:25 | 3137565 Anusocracy
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Farmers as a productive group are pretty much as screwed as any group.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:55 | 3138136 CPL
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Exactly.  My equipment doesn't run without fuel.  The guys that come in from Mexico and Jamacia to help with the season fly here, need planes and fuel.  And I've noticed a lack of oil rigs pumping crude anywhere.


All that food comes from one source, cheap energy.  No cheap energy = no cheap food.  no cheap food = no cheap people.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:58 | 3139489 Anusocracy
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I live in Michigan. A lot of crops got screwed early last year, but made a bit of a recovery. Tree fruit didn't.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:21 | 3136684 LM
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Wait, what? Who doesn't believe in climate change?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:51 | 3137045 SilverDOG
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Your comments are feared by most. Proof of which, seen in comments further on, and our future. Have the large OG garden here, a couple acres of blueberries, and some edible animals. 

What an enjoyable difference it does make. 

Best to you and your harvest.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:03 | 3137259 CPL
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And to you and yours.  Fear is a bad place to be when things are messy, planning on moving to other options is a better strategy.  Worst place to be is ignorance.  It's happening now everywhere.  Some deluded belief that the universe is here to provide with no effort.    

Now people are like frogs being slowly boiled.  People dismiss size reduction on food packaging as part of the 'green' movement when the obvious answer is there just isn't so much of it available at greater cost for too many.

I know it's a tired yarn, but if people aren't willing to hedge their own lives with a bit of wiggle room for the bad times.  No amount of discussion that I would have with them would ever change their minds.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:16 | 3137505 Totentänzerlied
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There is a difference between wanting to provide for yourself and wanting everyone else to be destitute. People think the prepared are nutty because of imbeciles like CPL who wear their personal beliefs on their sleeves and revel in the smugness of being self-righteous, aloud, for all to hear. For example, by calling for everyone who doesn't agree with him to starve to death. Can you spell h-o-l-o-d-o-m-o-r? Stalin would be proud.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:58 | 3137951 CPL
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I'm not here to give it.  Nor are you here to get it.


If we have something in common like goods or an agreed upon currency, then we have business.  Otherwise who are you to me?  Nobody.  To my family and community, they are people that have direct influence on my daily life.  My responsibility is to that.  To the needs and welfare of those in the immediate area because if something is going to change anywhere it starts around your own house.


Problem:  Highway and surrounding environment is a pigsty because half of NYC drive over the border to look at leaves.  

Rural answer: Put up signs, increase the amount of garbage cans, organise pick up scheduels and organise voluenteers to pick up crap from the side of the road.

Outcome:  Cleaner roads, less crap blowing into farm equipment breaking it, looks tidier.

Unexpected outcome:  Dump is undersized because the population in cars dumping garbage is twice as fast as the local community that lives there.

Problem:  Dump is undersized and surrounded by good farmland.  Building a new dump isn't possible with funds in a small rural Canadian community plus everyone is broke because nothing grew.

Rural Answer:  Traffic cops.  

Outcome:  Country coffers are filled partially, and most of the ticket go to the courts to process and return half of the recipt value.

Unexpected outcome:  Cannot use the current roster anymore than possible because they still have community work they need to do.  When it's the first nice week in spring, you can find lots of voluenteers to sit with a radar gun.  But it's winter and weather is shit out, everyone is broke and more household problems are being reported yet ignored on a provincial level.

Problem:  Not enough man power for local police station...

I would go on, but I hope you understand that everything around you doesn't happen by accident.  In a rural community of people working together, when things that happen by accident are usually not good things.  So, no, I don't give a shit if you starve.  I just don't have anything invested with you.  The fact you've got ten fingers and ten toes isn't enough for me to fight your battle.  For family and friends, sure I'll tear it up.  For you, I'll sell tickets and start a youtube channel.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:47 | 3136217 duo
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The Vikings were raising sheep in Greenland in 1000AD, before internal combustion, IIRC

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:37 | 3136499 CPL
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With a total population of around how many people?  4500?  500?  10000?  Life was pretty hard.  It's why the vikings were raiders and piliaged most of their resources.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:43 | 3136784 Calmyourself
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I see you have four compadres who cannot read a map.  Who would they raid living in Greenland, they were farming fishing outposts not raiding centers that was Northern Europe, from Greenland that is a 2800+ mile trip to raid.. That is a lot of rowing.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:39 | 3137011 Temporalist
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The Vikings were exlporers as well.  I don't think Greenland was much colder than their prior homeland. They clearly didn't only intend to raid when they went on exploration voyages.


The Polynesians "sailed" much smaller vessels, without sails, to Hawaii and Easter Island FFS!!!  Go take a look at a map of Easter Island and you'll have better appreciation for Polynesians and see that the Vikings visit to Greenland wasn't such a great sailing accomplishment.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:27 | 3137587 Matt
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Also, they probably leapfrogged. Along the coast to France, across to England, from Scotland to the Faroe Islands to Iceland to Greenland. No massive 3 months in a boat with no sight of land.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:45 | 3137028 CPL
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History is a 30 year hobby of mine, so let's see.  

Ireland.  Scotland.  France, Minsk, entire coastline of the hair doesn't just magically appear.  Oh yeah...Canada.  You can visit the 1000 year old viking village in Newfoundland (L'Anse aux Meadows).

The Viking secret weapon for long ocean travels is pickled cabbage (sauerkraut) so they didn't die of scurvy on route to where ever.  Mainland Europeans didn't figure it out until around the 1200's weirdly.

So you were saying about the limited ability of Vikings to travel the world and have stories written about them by ancient Greeks?  

Demetrius of Pharos was a Greek sea pirate that used to tangle with them all the time (200 AD, 2200 years ago) and was eventually co-opted by them.  Eventually that piece of history turned into Latvia (another story altogether).  Black hair and red beards.  Genetic markers show where the vikings have been.  I'm sure if some grad student combed the west coast of Africa there would be a couple of viking villages just like Canada.




Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:59 | 3137082 fuu
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1800 years ago. 2200 would be 200 BC.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:49 | 3137331 CPL
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 lol.  Got it on the wrong side of the line of time in my head again.  BC/AD. 

Anycase the Greek pirate king was an interesting guy.  There are other points in reference to Platonic timeframes to giants that raided and plundered Roman outposts on shore which are slightly older.

Vikings in a swift long boat full of big guys with Maces and Axes that are built to row thousands of miles of ocean in all weather.  They could dance around European ships that needed that forward ram to skuttle a boat.  Vikings would drop the sail to cut speed, pull oars and pull up behind.  For shoreline targets, night raids, at least that's the assumption.  

It was the equivalent (in that time frame) to a battle cruiser rolling up to shore.  They were pretty bad ass for the time frame sailors sailed the seas.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:57 | 3137396 fuu
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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:07 | 3137459 CPL
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That's the one.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:25 | 3136938 Svendblaaskaeg
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The Fate of Greenland's Vikings

"Greenland's climate began to change as well; the summers grew shorter and progressively cooler, limiting the time cattle could be kept outdoors and increasing the need for winter fodder"

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:10 | 3137132 formadesika3
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Based on what I've read, the Viking settlers who migrated to Greenland encountered the Inuit migrating from the west at the same time their crops began to fail.

The Vikings refused to adapt. The Inuit were willing to show the European Norsemen how they survived in that harsh environment. The Norse, although surrounded by some of the richest fishing waters in the world, wouldn't learn to fish. They insisted on trying to grow their traditional crops and raising livestock.

Refusing to adapt to their changing environment was why the Norse died out in Greenland.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 10:57 | 3136251 GMadScientist
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I wasn't aware that they had records about pluto and jupiter from the 19th century...perhaps Jules Verne was of assistance?

Extrapolating forward from 10 years of data is cute, but not science in the least; the ratio of carbon isotopes in the atmosphere, reflectometry changes which concretely demonstrate the increased green-house effect, monotonically warming oceans etc aren't really explained all that well by solar changes alone.

I hope the Koch Bros paid you well; kudos on coming up with some bullshit that I at least hadn't heard before.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:18 | 3136385 NidStyles
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This was work put out by the NOAA. The same group that said 2012 was one of the hottest years on record.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:33 | 3136467 mayhem_korner
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I wasn't aware that they had records about pluto and jupiter from the 19th century


Don't sell yourself short...there's a lot of other records you aren't aware of.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:00 | 3136283 TruthHunter
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On the other hand, there are more and more roofs and pavement near the weather reporting stations.

Even the small town of Immokalee, Fl is several degrees warmer than the farm fields out of town.

There is probably more risk to our future from acidified oceans than global warming.


No science reporter is doing his job if he doesn't also report who's paying for the studies.

Good science is always that which agrees with your permament hidden predjudices

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:05 | 3136316 Flakmeister
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You should not believe every thing Mr. Watts claims...

The UHI has been known of since 1959 and has been accounted for...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:05 | 3136315 midtowng
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When did "there's nothing that can be done" become the standard response of the right-wing to every problem?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:20 | 3136394 NidStyles
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What are you going to do, build an air-conditioning unit to cool off the whole planet?


Since when is actually asking for the science behind the claims make a person subjectively political in any way shape or form?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:51 | 3136815 Harbanger
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It's total politically driven pseudo science.  Want to see the face of the NWO, look at the people behind the global warming scam.  Not the useful idiots who believe it religiously, but the puppet masters behind it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:12 | 3136891 Toxicosis
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Can you back it up!!  Any evidence to bring to the table Mr. Prosecutor, or are you just flaming bullshit around hoping to clear the room before anybody calls you on your shit.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:19 | 3136917 Harbanger
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Read this article, "From Global warming to the NWO"

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:55 | 3137063 Toxicosis
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You have to be kidding right?!!  Yep those people there are just chock full of scientists who have literally focused on climate science and practiced due diligence in scientific assessment.  Please stop being an idiot.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:06 | 3137113 Harbanger
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Read my ealier post.  Many scientist disagree, don't be a schmuck read things outside of your religious beliefs.

About 32k of them in the US alone even signed a petition against global warming.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:13 | 3137148 Toxicosis
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I'm an athiest all scientifically, religiously and politically.  Belief is the abandonment of reason and thinking.  You have displayed that as your foundation with unlimited grandeur.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:29 | 3137216 Harbanger
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I guessed you were an atheist "all scientifically, religiously and politically" before you even told me.  That's why your "belief" in global warming has a religious zealotry that transcend all reason and critical thinking.  But you don't see that.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:34 | 3137257 Flakmeister
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So 0.3% of science degree recipients since 1970 signed (the criteria was science degree, not scientist)... whereas 97% of real scientists that study the climate appear to think otherwise...

Here is the breakdown  of the signatories

I suppose that you routinely get medical advice from your car mechanic as well... Moron...


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:54 | 3137369 Harbanger
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"97% of real scientists that study the climate appear to think otherwise"

key word is appear.  Your flat earther logic tells you that anyone who didn't have the balls to sign the petion (many for fear of losing grant money or losing their job in a leftist college) must therefore believe in global warming? 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:34 | 3137640 Flakmeister
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Just like you appear to be an idiot for all intents and purposes...


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:59 | 3137411 SelfGov
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The climate denying shills are out in full force today.

Burning fossil fuels has nothing to do with global warming. Also, my shit doesn't stink.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:35 | 3137644 Flakmeister
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Yeah, the trolls of late have been rather lame...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:07 | 3137846 Harbanger
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You're too emotional.  You haven't made a good argument yet.  When your ego is challenged you lose your cool and start bitch ranting. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:08 | 3138194 Flakmeister
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Chew on this asswipe:

BTW, science is about arguing about the data and none of the deniers here are even remotely qualified to do that...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:22 | 3138802 ClassicalLib17
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Flakmeister is an idiot troll.  He sits in his mother's basement just waiting for a climate topic to appear, then he pounces. 

He's an expert with a college degree, don't you know.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:02 | 3138933 Flakmeister
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Is that the best you can do? I was hoping for more than tired old ad homs...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:58 | 3137798 Totentänzerlied
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Did you know it's possible to be a shill for anything? ... Take the hint.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:30 | 3136959 Svendblaaskaeg
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"...but the puppet masters behind it..."

UN, Aganda 21


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:20 | 3136398 TuPhat
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Ever since the left wing refused to accept any reasonable action.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:45 | 3136538 Terminus C
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This isn't about left and right, this is about control over narrative. The main issue with the battle for control is that real sceptical scientific inquiry is destroyed to feed agenda drivin news bites.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:47 | 3136551 NumberNone
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I recommend that we implement a carbon tax to cut down carbon emmissions in the US but cover the cost with a trillion dollar platinum coin.  That should fix the problem.  

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:10 | 3139534 Anusocracy
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"When did "there's nothing that can be done" become the standard response of the right-wing to every problem?"

When people started realizing that today's problems are the result of yesterday's solutions.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:20 | 3136371 trentusa
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here's something i was reading that might explain the weird weather. It's common knowledge the sun has been having an abnormal amount of solar flares lately altho if you think climate change comes from anything besides carbon emissions then you're a conspiracy theorist, but here's a possible explanation for why the sun is acting strangely lately, an interesting New Age theory about our planet & entire solar system is passing thru a Photon Belt that is energizing the sun & earth to become more seismically active:

The following scientific data revealed by Alexei Dmitriev further supports NASA's original 2012 solar storm warning issued back in March of 2006.

Astrophysicist Alexei Dmitriev says that both Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 satellites reveal that our sun, as well as our entire solar system, is now moving into an interstellar energy cloud. Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University says this interstellar energy cloud is turbulent. Dmitriev explains that this cloud of energy is exciting the atmospheres of our planets and especially our sun. As this interstellar energy cloud continues to excite/charge the sun, it causes the sun to become more active, resulting in greater output from the sun. IE: Bigger and more frequent solar storms and CME's resulting in the Carrington effect. This interstellar cloud of electrical energy is also absorbed by the Earth, and scientist have found that it results in more earth quakes, all while dramatically effecting our weather here on earth.

On July 14, 2010 we learned that our sun is passing through an interstellar energy cloud which excites/energizes the sun. NASA, along with The National Academy of Science and other world renowned scientist are so concerned about this up and coming solar maximum in late 2012, that way back in March 10, 2006 NASA issued a solar storm warning (in writing) for 2012. What NASA omitted in their 2006 solar storm warning is what prompted NASA in the first place to issue a 2012 solar storm warning four years in advance? Then in 2010, NASA again warns the general population of a pending solar storm, telling the population to get ready for a once in a lifetime solar storm.

Kacper sent me this video... do you own research if necessary


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:22 | 3136414 NidStyles
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Voyager 1 and 2 are not satellites. Anyone that says so brings up doubts of his legitimacy as an astrophysicist.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:44 | 3136448 trentusa
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I do not claim to be an astrophyscist, so ok fine it's technically a space probe b/c its not orbiting anything, give me a break w/ the semantics- it not necessary to 'be an astrophysicist' in order to question the claim of why are we getting climate change, if we do not believe in carbon emissions as the culprit? 


The Voyager 2 spacecraft is a 722 kg (1,590 lb) space probe launched by NASA on August 20, 1977 to study the outer Solar System and eventually interstellar space. It was actually launched before Voyager 1, but Voyager 1 moved faster and eventually passed it. It has been operating for 35 years, 4 months and 19 days as of December 7, 2012, the spacecraft still receives and transmits data via the Deep Space Network.[2] At a distance of 100.675 AU (1.51×1010 km; 9.36×109 mi) as of November 2012,[3][4] it is one of the most distant manmade objects (along with Voyager 1, Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11).


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 12:33 | 3136739 Tao 4 the Show
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I am also interested in the news from the Voyagers and have been following it for some time. It is important to realize that the "cloud" is incredibly sparse. At a certain point, the pressure from the solar wind becomes weak enough that it is overcome by extrasolar forces such as this "cloud".

Interesting is that the heliosphere does not seem to be a clear "bubble" of solar wind such as the earth's magnetosphere. There may be intrusions of the matter at different locations farther into the solar system. How and to what extent this cloud affects the sun is an absolutely fascinating question, but I think incredibly difficult to answer. I have not studied the findings of the scientists you mentioned, but think they are probably extrapolating rather severely.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:39 | 3138039 trav777
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Voyagers:  triumph of diversity.  oh wait

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:33 | 3136469 flapdoodle
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But of course global warming is caused by carbon emissions. Its so much harder to create a solar-flare exchange market to fleece the gullible...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:50 | 3136565 Comay Mierda
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Al Gore would have some sun spots to sell you

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:37 | 3136995 Svendblaaskaeg
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"...Kacper sent me this video..."

 The role of cosmic rays is Henrik Svensmark's thesis as you prolly know


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:59 | 3137081 tip e. canoe
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actually solar flares are way down for this cycle.   and the last solar minimum was extremely low as well.    as such, the earth's magnetosphere is not being charged as it should be.

also, the Carrington Event happened during a cycle of relatively low activity.

agreed that something strange is happening and that it's solar system wide.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 11:35 | 3136476 Manthong
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If those self-centered outer planet yuppies would just get rid of their SUV’s and start trading CO2 credits they could stabilize the temperatures of their planets and moons.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:28 | 3137593 koncaswatch
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Comay Mierda - Excellent, thanks for the useful links and cogent argument; a real help in the education of deaf and blind "eco-friends & family".

btw I've admired your "spanish" moniker ever since you came to ZH.

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