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Will Obama Use An Executive Order To Enact Gun Control?

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Moments ago, MSNBC showed a clip in which "gun tzar" VP Joe Biden made it clear that "the President is going to act" on the issue of gun control, and that "executive orders and executive action can be taken." Of course "can" does not mean "will" as the fallout from an executive order bypassing Congress would be rather dramatic, especially on a topic so near and dear to at least half of America, and the response, to put it mildly, would make the Piers Morgan vs Alex Jones screaming match seems like a tranquil discussion between two dignified stoics. If "can" however, does become "will", America may have far bigger issues over the next two months than the debt ceiling, kicking the sequester down another several months, or even the quadrillion yen tuna.


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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:21 | 3137534 TheMayor
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Trying to distract from their failed policies.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:22 | 3137543 CoolBeans
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Now, my fellow Americans, you know why Homeland InSecurity has armed up with mass quantities of bullets and associated gear to handle civil unrest (bullet-proof checkpoint buildings, armored vehicles, etc, etc.).

They have been ready for you/us for a while now.

Hopefully all of you have been getting for them, as well.  

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:15 | 3138566 Abaco
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They have been stockpiling them for enterprising free men.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:29 | 3137545 conspicio
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Molon Labe motherfuckers.

Everyone is slowly trying to figure out how this can peacefully come to a conclusion. They shake their head and say..."It can't and it won't" but realize that this is just more of the same type of Alinskyite bullying behavior they anticipate. That the administration is daring the right to act irrationally. That a thousand Michael Douglas' in "Falling Down" suddenly spring forth and then phase II can be implemented. It started with the DHS report classifying just about any conservative belief as subversive in 2009. Phase I is coming to a conclusion. And people laughed off Big Sis when she introduced that report as much ado about nothing...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:50 | 3137742 tip e. canoe
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"the administration is daring the right to act irrationally. That a thousand Michael Douglas' in "Falling Down" suddenly spring forth and then phase II can be implemented."

now we're thinkin...which is why it's vital to think twice before falling for it.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:27 | 3137547 Northeaster
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The People will do what their told.

If The People haven't done anything by now, in light of massive fraud, rights diminished, other gun regulations, and a transfer of their own wealth to the few against their wishes, including that of their children, then this will just be another do-nothing by keyboard commando's.

The government will TELL you what to do, and the masses will do it, just like they have for almost 200 years. This is not pre-1776, The American People for the most part are too lazy, fat, complacent or just don't give a fuck enough to do anything worth while.

The Banana Republic Plutocratic States of America is now firmly entrenched. Hand your guns over..."bitchez".

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:36 | 3137654 optimator
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If they take your money from your mattrass via inflation there's not much you can do.  If they kick your door in to take your money chances are you will do something!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:54 | 3137725 Northeaster
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The government has already and continues to usurp the Rule of Law, where have you been the past 20 years? No one has done shit, and no one will do shit. For all the bunker commando's, the government plans on you staying there. They will Legislate a law, if you don't comply, they simply issue a warrant out for your arrest and wait you out. Pretty simple to me.

They are taking your money now already, and now they will take your guns too.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:59 | 3139350 FeralSerf
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Does Waco, TX or Randy Weaver mean anything to you?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:51 | 3137746 aerojet
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I don't know, every man has his breaking point.  If our savings goes missing I don't think I have any reason not to revolt.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:23 | 3137549 LFMayor
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Executive mandate my white hairy ass.

The Lunatic Fringe stands locked, cocked, ready to rock.

There are millions. MILLIONS like us.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:26 | 3137577 zerotohero
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You are like so many full of hot air and bravado - you will hand over your gun and you will comply

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:28 | 3137596 dexter_morgan
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Mr. Holder, is that you?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:36 | 3137659 CoolBeans
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+100 Dex

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:54 | 3137770 tip e. canoe
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he/she is baiting everyone.   this seems to be the new tactic.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:53 | 3138118 krispkritter
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He's a Master Baiter if I ever saw one...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:51 | 3137744 secret_sam
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We're still in the "backlash" period from the last election.  It was almost a year before the Kerry-supporters gave up on the notion that Dubya/Cheney were going to round up the "liberals" and put 'em in FEMA camps, too.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:32 | 3137624 akak
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Executive mandate my white hairy ass.

The Lunatic Fringe stands locked, cocked, ready to rock.

There are millions. MILLIONS like us.


My sentiments are with you, but I have to wonder and to ask, why are there not an equal or greater number willing to resist handing over their savings and standards of living to the same unaccountable and tyrannical elite?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:53 | 3137762 mick_richfield
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Because the state's corruption and usurpation of free market money was done properly, over the space of three or four generations, so that at every stage it felt like not much of a change.

Some people on this thread have said that the right to defend oneself is the most basic of all rights.  I think that the right to trade with each other, in whatever medium we please, is more important.  Although I wish for both of those rights, I have already lost one of them..

If the idea of America dies, it will have been killed not by the US taking our guns, but by the US forcing us to accept its false money.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:04 | 3137827 FreeNewEnergy
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Point to Akak. Your serve, gun-toter.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:24 | 3137557 Stormtower
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I'd say that's unconstitutional........BUT, when has this dickhead of a prez ever followed the Constitution??? 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:24 | 3137560 rsnoble
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Just got back from my 10 mile hike.  If someone came for my guns I will be barricaded across from my property and blow their fucking asses away when they knock on my door.  Granted if I knew it was coming in time.  Which im sure I would I live in the middle of nowhere and everyone here is armed to the teeth.  Probably will never be a knock im sure were drone material.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:33 | 3137638 rsnoble
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And no im not an armchair revolutionary many of us are talking these scenarios and fully expect to be outnumbered and get blown away ourselves.  Only hope is it gets so out of control it settles down and is resolved somehow before it ever reaches your own place.  Ha ha.  This gov't is one rancid bunch of fucking criminals, the entire fucking country has been hijacked, a good majority of the people know too much for the gov't to main control...........9-11 etc.  The internet has exposed them, they can't fucking fart without the entire world knowing about it in .2 milliseconds.  The goonsquad (homeland security) will want to keep one of the only jobs left to feed their own families and will act on order.  And I suspect many of them to be very beastly thanks to rampant anabolic steroid use.  Yes......... a bunch of rabid roid junkies with fully-auto guns.  Prepare for total shithole conditions.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:26 | 3137574 zilverreiger
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Just wondered about something, what if the great gungrab plus associated revolution is the big psy op
needed to distract from the big economic collapse, 2 flies in one stroke
Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:27 | 3137584 lolmao500
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And when the economy collapses, they'll say : see it's the gun owners fault!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:58 | 3138150 zilverreiger
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yes, when gunowners use guns to defend gun rights, they will say it's affirmation

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:38 | 3137674 rsnoble
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It's all tied together.  Probably one of the best bets would be make people think twice before taking orders from the elites.  Shooting cops and hs agents will do little.  I am hoping the so-called underground safe houses for some assholes will become what is known as a TOMB.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:27 | 3137582 idesofmarc
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Bummer that Obama is about to step right smack into the middle of thee worlds biggest hornet's nest.







Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:28 | 3137591 H E D G E H O G
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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:31 | 3137618 the iD
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"First, there’s a huge difference between being arrested and being guilty. Second, see, the law changes and I don’t. How I stand vis-a-vis the law at any given moment depends on the law. The law can change from state to state, from nation to nation, from city to city. I guess I have to go by a higher law. How’s that? Yeah, I consider myself a road man for the lords of karma." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:32 | 3137626 Little John
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Instead of the usual rant I will address my remarks  to the politician class and I will keep it short and simple - If you attempt to take our firearms then a great many people will die and some of you will be among them.  No doubt you are will to fight to the last federal agent but what about the third, fourth, fifth, ect. ect. congressperson.  The American people understand their government fa better than their government understands them. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:33 | 3137637 lolmao500
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The American government funds and arms the terrorists in Syria... How long before Russia and China start sending crates of anti-tank and anti-air missiles to the American people?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:53 | 3138122 Cynthia
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A violent empire making violent people kill others around the world, while extolling militarism and more violence of every sort in its domestic and foreign policy - how about dismantling the empire, ending military spending, focusing on people's happiness and well being? Ya think?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:35 | 3137647 gbresnahan
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What is the bus czar going to do about tour buses driving off a cliff?

9 people in dead in one shot, horrifying.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:36 | 3137662 Spastica Rex
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Waco on a national scale will suck.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:47 | 3137720 XitSam
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Slight difference. The Branch Davidians were surrounded, this time ...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:15 | 3138567 Spastica Rex
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... the government will burn to ashes whoever they want with fire from the sky.

Oh, well - I'll enjoy some Bon Jovi while I can.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:37 | 3137667 dexter_morgan
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"The real answer is to use our individual economic power. Boycott any company that is donating to the inaugural. That'll get things started. "

as a poster here said - how do we get the ball rolling on that?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:38 | 3137676 Calculated_Risk
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Bank run, pull money from markets etc. If they want to take what's important to us. Take what's important to them.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:15 | 3139704 MagicHandPuppet
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Don't forget that people may also Default on credit cards and self employed might stop paying taxes.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:37 | 3137669 Oldballplayer
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Dictators.  Yeah.  That'll work.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:39 | 3137680 Say What Again
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I wonder if the guys that program the HFT robots have adjusted their algorithms to react to the speech(s) that will be forthcoming from Biden & Boner, etc.?

Which way do you think the R2000 & SP500 will move after they try to take the guns?

If the answer to the above question is; DOWN, then it will never happen

Q.E.D.  (where have I seen "Q.E.D." lately)

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:53 | 3137682 Impingement
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18 USC 922(r) defines, in part, what firearms can be legally possessed, made, or imported.  More specifically, it states that only firearms designed for a "sporting purpose" are legal, and provides a list of firearm parts that count towards a gun not being for a "sporting purpose."  

The BATF has wide latitude to define firearm parts (grip, magazine, receiver, etc.), and thus can through regulation make a gun legal or illegal via 922(r) (i.e., not for sporting purposes).  See 27 C.F.R. 478.89.

My guess is that the President will instruct the head of the BATF to redefine the parts listed in 27 C.F.R. 478.89 in such a way as to make many semi-automatic guns that were legal, illegal.  There will be a temporary delay in implementation, though, since the BATF must publish proposed rule changes and give the public a comment period of at least 30 days.

Of course there are many related considerations, such as the status of existing guns, but you get the flavor.  And query whether 30 days is "too slow" for O-Biden.

While one may argue that the BATF cannot or should not make "law" in this manner, they most certainly do make rules that have the effect of law with regard to anyone holding a Federal Firearms License (gun makers, sellers, distributors, etc.).  If you want to keep your FFL and not go to jail, you comply with BATF rule making.

Just my 2 cents.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:41 | 3137686 GubbermintWorker
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Molon Labe

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:46 | 3137711 optimator
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What next, "Executive Order" sending the Congress home permanently cause they are not needed?  (If he wants to do something useful , how about an Executive Order eliminating the FED!)

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:43 | 3138064 WTFx10
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How can you elminate your Boss with a Executive Order? If we could do that we would all be self employed.

Guns don't kill Banksters, Debt slaves with Guns kill banksters.

Thats who wants them out of our hands. Thats who has been running this country since 1913.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:48 | 3137714 AgAu_man
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Who posted the info/links regarding the fathers of the two guys (Colorado and Newtown) being involved in the LIBOR case (due to testify)?  Please re-post.

Or the CNBC executive whose nanny killed 2 of his 3 kids in NYC with a knife (as no gun was available)?

Life might be full of weird & crazy coincidences, but -- for operational reasons -- not in matters of hi-crime (Trillions of dollars involved).  Nobody can allow themselves to be that naive and gullible...  except 80-90% of the country?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:59 | 3138157 zilverreiger
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Only one was.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:46 | 3137716 Seasmoke
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funny, i havent heard anything today about the $50 BILLION they do NOT have, for Sandy cleanup

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:46 | 3137718 Gimleteye
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I don't know what I would actually do if the cops who I know showed up. I know what I THINK I would do. I would rather move to a red state and secede, it would only be for a short time anyway. Obama can rule the blue as a dicator full on if he can, but a separate coutnry in the red heartland would be tough to control.

Otherwise, it is only a matter of where the civil war begins, not when or if.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:47 | 3137719 dobermangang
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Death by Gun Control

We live in interesting times.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:50 | 3137741 jvetter713
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I hope Biden personally comes for mine.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:40 | 3138044 One of these is...
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I bet they send a young female cop, first...



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:56 | 3137782 Nobody For President
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RedPill, If you're gonna quote, quote it right:

Amendment II - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the 

security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear 

Arms, shall not be infringed.

Some folks take this to mean milita people - now a days the states' National Guard units (of which I was once a member), are the 'people' with the right to keep and bear arms.

I don't agree with that interpretation, but it is not an unreasonable read of the amendment.

My basic take is the cat is so WAY out of the bag with the number of guns laying about in the population that the horse is out of the barn, and more attempts at regulation are meaningless.



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:19 | 3137887 dwdollar
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Read the Federalist Papers and/or quotes from the founders. They intended the whole body of the people to be the Militia. Some even considered yearly musters of the entire population but Alexander Hamilton argued against it as impractical. I really don't care what CONgress presumes today. They have proved themselves to be traitors many times over.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:10 | 3138203 AgAu_man
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Bless you, Mr. President!  Would you mind telling this to your successor?

Kind regards to your dad.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:16 | 3138243 IridiumRebel
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Heller vs. D.C. cleared this up by Scalia in 2008. It is for the purpose of personal arms and militia. If they want to legislate on guns, have at it, but you can not circumvent the legislative process and toss out the constitution. Judging by the ire I am seeing between here and MSM comments, people will be most displeased and try to stop any passage.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:59 | 3137789 koncaswatch
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Of course it will be done by EO.

EO abuse:  the record holder for average EOs issued per year of presidency is FDR at 288.8 per year average for a total of 3466 throughout the presidency. Obama is averaging 34.4, Bush II was 36.2, Clinton 45.3 and so on.

What would stop him now? Congress and Constitution circumvention is easy, see! Also, there is a record to be set. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:59 | 3137804 JR
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Stalin’s title was General Secretary: the “dictator” title wasn’t a good idea. So, today, “president” is okay just as long as the dictatorial power is there. But like in the Wilson era "Philip Dru,” the power could come from behind the curtain and the “president” would just issue the orders.

Thus, the Second Amendment goes away and representative government, the legislative branch, falls as well, and the dictator-in-disguise collects the guns.

There is an extremely important book written in 1912 entitled Philip Dru, Administrator, written by an agent of the British Rothschild banking interests, Edward Mandell House, which contained his personal political beliefs in novel form.

Colonel House, who had “arranged to elect the next president of the United States, Woodrow Wilson, in the election of 1912,”  became so close that Wilson later said that House’s “thoughts and mine are one.”

In the novel, Philip Dru assumes “the power of a dictator” while allowing Senator Selwyn to become president although he, Dru, would make all the decisions, just as House made Wilson's decisions. Dru's decisions were really Colonel House’s predictions about future events that the author hoped would come true not only in the US but in the world.  House’s hopes as depicted in the novel are summarized by A. Ralph Epperson in The Unseen Hand:

Dru “is now in a position to give the United States a new form of government; Dru describes it as ‘…Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx.’

“He arranges for several key Marxist programs, such as a graduated income tax, and a graduated inheritance tax. He also prohibits the ‘selling of…anything of value,’ abolishes, at least in part, the right of private property, just as spelled out by Marx in his writings.

“Dru starts making the laws of the nation, as ‘…there were no legislative bodies sitting, and the function of law-making was confined to one individual, the administration (Philip Dru) himself.’

“Dru also re-wrote the ‘obsolete…and grotesque’ Constitution of the United States.

“Dru also meddled in the internal affairs of other nations, including England, and concerned himself with the nation of Russia as he: ‘….wondered when her deliverance would come. There was, he knew, great work for someone to do in that despotic land.’

“In other words, Colonel House, the author of Philip Dru, was hoping that there would be a revolution in Russia. He was urging the Russian Revolution upon the Russian people, an event that was still five years away, as the so-called ‘despotic’ Czar of Russia was replaced by ‘Socialism as dreamed by Karl Marx.'”

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:33 | 3137958 Brindle702
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Colonel House worked for the Warburgs (too) ... was also Herbert Hoover's handler

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:11 | 3139378 FeralSerf
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The political party didn't matter much then, just as it doesn't now.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:20 | 3138271 optimator
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Uncle Joe had a lot of titles, In 1943, he made himself a Marshal of the Soviet Union.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:28 | 3138316 JR
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One of my favorites of Stalin's self-imposed titles: "Father of Nations"! How he missed "Dear Leader" I dunno.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:01 | 3137813 dcj98gst
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Are rights derived from government or are thye inherent in the individual?  The Bill of Rights is just a sign, pointing to our rights.  Its not granting our rights it is just showing that they are there. 

It is like a sign saying "Mt. Everest one mile ahead"  The sign does not make the mountain, the mountain is there inherently. If the sign is removed we do not loose Mt. Everest just like if Obama strips all of the Bill of Rights tomorrow, we do not loose our rights.  Unconstitutional laws are not laws.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:05 | 3137834 Teaser
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Great point but you lose a million points when you use loose in place of lose.  When did this phenomena start happening?  First I saw it was in 2004.  And it's only gotten worse.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:18 | 3139393 FeralSerf
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There needs to be an EO changing the spelling of "lose" to "looze".   Lose doesn't follow the normal pronunciation rules.   This would have the additional benefit of redirecting O's thought processes in a less damaging direction.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:03 | 3137820 Racer
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If they want to ban guns because they are so bad, why don't they ban tobacco instead or cars or alcohol because they kill more than guns do and anyway if someone is going to commit mass murder they will get any weapon they want, it doesn't have to a gun either

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:06 | 3137841 slimething
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I have multiple firearms including 2 AR 15's with multiple 30 round mags and over 2k rounds of ammo per weapon (on average). Only the handguns my wife and I carry for CCW are registered.


Anybody trying to make me defenseless can drop dead or suck on my machine gun (or Glock) as the great Ted Nugent would say.


Hey, what's this talk about the government purchasing billion+ rounds of .40 cal hollow points? Is that true? What was the reason given? Sorry, I don't watch Alex Jones.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:37 | 3138363 lakecity55
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Our Rights do not come from your neo-fascist government, mulatto.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:07 | 3137844 TrumpXVI
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In well under two hours, more than eight pages.

I'm impressed.

I just hope folks can point the muzzle of a loaded weapon in the same direction their words are pointed.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:07 | 3137847 Super Broccoli
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executive orders :


2) massive slaughter

This is going to be so much fun

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:12 | 3137868 Zer0head
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I wonder if he'll be wearing a uniform when he signs the executive order?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:16 | 3137884 villainvomit
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Sometimes, collection can be a real BITCH!  vv                                                                                                                         

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:16 | 3137885 The worst trader
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The right to bear arms was created to protect the public from goverment.does this imply that none of the constitution will remain? Can't wait to see how this all plays out!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:16 | 3137886 q99x2
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Ron Paul on Alex Jones today.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:17 | 3137891 thechainrule
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Looks like Biden is trying to unseat Obama as the #1 gun salesman. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:23 | 3137906 AgAu_man
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I'd expect something like this...

EO # 1234567890

Whereas… will not infringe on the 2nd Amendment…

No Person shall… who…

1.       Has a mental disorder, or being treated for a mental or behavioral disorder.   To include… anyone on anti-depressants in the ages of 10-29.

2.       Weapons are to be secured in the home for safety reasons.  No access shall be granted to minors or those with mental/behavioral illnesses/disorders, described in the above category.

3.       No large-capacity magazines.  Max capacity limited to 10 rounds for rifles or guns.

4.       RFID chips to be built into all new gun sales.  Said chips shall not be interfered or tampered with.

5.       National Registry for all handguns and rifles not designated as hunting rifles.

6.       Memberships in Registered Gun Clubs shall be mandatory.  Said Clubs shall enforce safety training and rules for all members.  Members shall be screened & vetted.

7.       Hi Capacity magazines and Specialty Hi Power (military-grade) weapons shall be kept at registered gun clubs, and maintained under strict and controlled access at all times.

Federal Legislators may elect to further 'tune' gun laws to meet safety requirements, leveraging Items 4-7 above.



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:29 | 3137908 From Germany Wi...
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In other news (and Tyler may or may not want to pick up on that):

What's behind the plans for a pan-European telecoms infrastructure? Check it out, its kinda a big deal, except it isn't (surprisingly). reports:


German original text:
'Die EU will die Kompetenzen der nationalen Telekommunikations-Regulierer drastisch beschneiden. So sagt die EU das natürlich nicht. Der Vorstoß kommt im Gewande von Wettbewerbs- und Konsumenten-Freundlichkeit daher.
Im Klartext: Die Industrie konsolidiert den profitablen Bereich der Gebühren, die öffentliche Hand übernimmt unter EU-Leitung die teure und ungeliebte Infrastruktur. Es soll eine Schuldenunion geben, bei der eine Art Bad Bank für die Infrastruktur der Telekommunikation entsteht. Diese Bad Bank kann Anleihen begeben, und Banken können die Schuldtitel als Sicherheit bei der EZB hinterlegen, um sich reales Spielgeld für das globale Finanz-Monopoly zu leihen. Der Vorteil dieser Lösung: Anders als bei Derivaten handelt es sich bei der Telekommunikations-Struktur um reale Assets, die sich hervorragend als Pfand eignen – im Unterschied zu den Derivaten gibt es die Masten und Kabel nämlich auch real.'

'The EU wants to curtail the powers of the national telecom regulators drastically. Naturally the EU doesn't phrase it like that. The advance comes in the guise of competition- and consumer-friendliness.
In plain text: The industry consolidates the profitable segment that brings in fees, while the public sector, led by the EU, takes over the expensive and unloved infrastructure. There shall be a debt union, within which a kind of bad bank is created for the telecommunications infrastructure. This bad bank may issue bonds, and banks can deposit the debt securities as collateral with the ECB to borrow real gambling money for the global financial-Monopoly. The advantage of this solution: Assets in the telecommunications structure, unlike derivatives, are real, so ideal as a security - in contrast to the derivatives those poles and cables are quite real.'


So anything new under sun? No? Then let's go ahead with the money printing. I want to get over with it asap and be done with the whole thing.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:20 | 3137914 devo
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Where's the uprising/Civil War Alex Jones was talking about? Oh yeah, people are too busy checking the gold price and reading ZH. lol.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:30 | 3137984 DTCC 1999
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What are the end goals from the uprising you want?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:54 | 3138117 devo
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All I am saying is people talk a big game, but when their rights are stripped they still do the same routine: crack open a beer, eat a sack of chips, read zerohedge, check the gold price, etc. They might rant a little more than usual, but nobody is uprising. Alex Jones will be on the air yelling about it and doing nothing. The bottom line is we're all comfortable in this system and like our routines. Alex Jones and ZH are there to let people know others think like them, but these outlets will not spark any revolutions because everyone (even you guys) is comfortable. Lack of food might spark a revolution, but not lack of guns.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:33 | 3138345 DTCC 1999
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I appreciate your passion and relate to the frustration - but initiating acts of violence will only give them the support they desire for rolling out the totalitarian authority already explicitly granted as a response to declaring the USA a war zone.

Most ZH'ers know about WTC 7 but most ppl do not.

The only way to save the American dream IMO is not only to inform, but to extend amnesty to all involved with the "ordeal", crafting a peaceful solution that the people of all countries can get behind as it offers them a better life.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:58 | 3138480 alangreedspank
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That's not uprisings work. People do them once there is food shortages and usually has nothing to do directly with ideology. Nothing more or less stupid about Americans regarding this aspect, it was the same in Egypt in 2010.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:38 | 3138646 DTCC 1999
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What would work and achieve desirable goals in your opinion? What should be those goals?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:32 | 3137994 AgAu_man
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LMAO...  In answer to the line in the famous song of your Moniker:  "NO!  We are not men.  We are sheep.  Bah, ram, ewe, bah ram, ewe.  To your pasture and habits be true.  Bah, ram, ewe, bah ram, ewe."  ;-)

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:50 | 3138098 Colonial Intent
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The revolution will not be televised, Brother.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:59 | 3138148 devo
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Again, they are taking your guns--why are you on ZH and not out being a revolutionary?

Somewhat rhetorical since I know the answer. We're all guilty of talk and no action. Just admit it. ZH has never made a post about organizing people and acting. It's all whining and talk about "one of these days!!" [that never comes, despite the catalysts].

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:22 | 3138282 Colonial Intent
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1, I am in the UK.

2, I have enough scars from fighting the BNP thugs, the SWP thugs and a large bunch of guys in riot armor to boot.(they said they were cops but they had all forgot to wear their id badges and numbers so i felt no moral compunction about fighting them) so i have a little insight in what happens during a riot or public disturbance.

3, Having spent ten years on the inside of a local tory party i feel i have a little insight into how the state operates at a political level.

4, Having worked in national/multinational telecoms, recycling, banking, and for the last four years at one of your oil companies UK HQ I have a little insight into how fucked we really are.

Multinationals call the tune and the state/govt does the dancing.

It's a brave new world alright.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:26 | 3138308 Colonial Intent
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If any of you do organise i hope to god you do it OFF ZH, but if you organise obama has the patriot act to use against you (ironic huh) and if you dont you get picked off.

Obama will do what is politically possible but first he will eke the outrage to try and get a mandate from the public before he makes hay with it.

Last thing he wants is this resolved at any point before 2015.

Its a stick to beat you with and tarnish you all with the lone gunman/crazy loser tag.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:43 | 3139442 Anti Psychotic
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Sincere question,  why 2015?  Thanks.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:28 | 3140058 Colonial Intent
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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:24 | 3137929 Jeepers Creepers
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I'm usually hard on Republicans, but at least they support the 2nd Amendment.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:46 | 3138074 SilverFish
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Neither party gives me a hard on.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:25 | 3137940 lolmao500
lolmao500's picture - 1995 Eric Holder Wants to Really Brainwash People to be anti-gun.


Holder, who was then the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, was addressing the Women’s National Democratic Club on Jan. 30, 1995. In his speech, he held up anti-smoking campaigns as a model for an anti-gun campaign.

“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we’ve changed our attitudes about cigarettes,” Holder said.

- "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it." -- Senator Diane Feinstein, CBS-TV, 60 Minutes, 5 February 1995.

- At this 1999 rally, Obama advocated the following infringements on the individual right to keep and bear arms:

A 500% increase in the federal tax on firearms and ammunition.
A ban on gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would obviously have closed down every gun store in every city and town.
A ban on the sale of “junk” handguns. (Apparently poor people do not have the same rights as the middle class.)
A ban on the resale of police surplus firearms to the people.
Mandatory firearm training for all gun owners.
A ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21. (Unless of course they are working for the government, have been drafted into the military, etc.)
Increased penalties for the interstate transportation of firearms, which was already 10 years in prison.
Requiring gun manufacturers to invent technology that would permit a gun to be used only by its original owner.
Charging a gun owner with a felony if anyone stole his gun and it was ever used in a future crime unless that gun was securely stored in the owner’s home. (So if a citizen exercises his Second Amendment right to own a gun and is then victimized by a criminal, he could subsequently be victimized again and more severely by the government. This position would only make sense if Obama interpreted the Second Amendment to not be an individual right like the rest of the Bill of Rights. Also, apparently people too poor to buy whatever kind of safe the government mandates do not have the same rights as the middle class.)
Restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month.
A ban on the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons.
An increase in the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:25 | 3137947 robertocarlos
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Obama is President for life now so it's his call.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:47 | 3138080 SilverFish
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That might be what HE thinks.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:28 | 3137965 Zen Bernanke
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A democracy cannot survive as a permanent form of government. It can last only until its citizens discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. (DONE)  From that moment on, the majority (who vote) will vote for those candidates promising the greatest benefits from the public purse (DONE), with the result that a democracy will always collapse from loose fiscal policies, always followed by a dictatorship (AND DONE)!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:29 | 3137968 shovelhead
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Go ahead Bammy, sign all the E.O.'s you want.

We will laugh at you and go about our business impeaching and incarcerating your narrow ass.

Meet Bubba, your new romance.

Prison ain't like a Chicago bath house...You don't get to choose.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:22 | 3138278 toomanyfakecons...
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Well said!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:29 | 3137969 lolmao500
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Let's face the facts... America has become over the years a country with 2 very different philosophy... those who believe in a state all and powerful who can change the constitution/law whenever they want... and those who believe in personal responsability and the constitution original intent, limiting the government powers enumerated in it.

Those two philosophies cannot live together.

Soon enough, there will be a breaking point where all hell will break loose.

The only questions are : when and how it will evolve... peaceful seperation of those two philosophies into 2 (or more) countries, or years of civil war? History predicts it won't end nicely.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:21 | 3138273 toomanyfakecons...
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Yes, America has become infested with traitors and socialists. A relatively peaceful coup is what I'm banking on. America is not some sad, defeated country like so many others are.


Roadmap for a relatively peaceful Constitutionally legitimate coup...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:40 | 3139754 bigrooster
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Good point.  I sure would not want to be on the side of the liberal pussies that don't own a gun and want to ban them. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:29 | 3137970 walcott
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Biden is a traitor.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:16 | 3138235 toomanyfakecons...
Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:31 | 3137990 SilverFish
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I think the problem is that too many people use the constitution, a piece of paper,  to define what is allowed, as if that paper really has any power if the people in power simply ignore what it says. It is a human rights issue, the right to defend yourself...... not what a piece of paper says.



"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain — that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."

~ Lysander Spooner

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:32 | 3137995 Uncle Ream Us
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Jews and Jewish organizations lead the gun control campaign 

Jewish “Conservatives” Urge Obama to Move on “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:19 | 3138996 TheSettler
Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:43 | 3138003 toomanyfakecons...
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Keep dreaming. If they tried this, with or without congressional blessing, no government thug from the highest ranking traitor to the lowliest peon would be able to show their face in public without having it shot off.


Clinton had some political capital to spend on the pointless 1994-2004 ban. The current Golfer-in-Chief and his underlings have none.


Treason is so easy to spot a caveman could do it (or an average American). Sandy Hook was a staged event. Add that to the list of charges.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:34 | 3138010 sbenard
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Not since FDR has we have an "American Dictator", to quote another dictator, Mussolini.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:35 | 3138012 Vashta Nerada
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If these clowns really cared about saving lives, they could ban abortions.  That would save 3500 lives a day, and not violate their oath.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:35 | 3138019 Dre4dwolf
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Most of the population won't obey that order.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:24 | 3138468 Zer0head
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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:41 | 3138046 Colonial Intent
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OT but worth a look


Vladimir Franz, an opera composer and painter, is tattooed from head to toe, his face a warrior-like mix of blue, green and red. He's also running in a surprising third place ahead of this week's Czech presidential elections.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:43 | 3138057 loveyajimbo
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I hope this dictator ends up like the others... and soon.  Most military are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution... when will they act against the flagrant violations of it by this craven poseur?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:53 | 3138069 toomanyfakecons...
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That's the 64 quadrillion dollar question. The military and federal marshalls will have to act. The rule of law and the Constitution is about to make a roaring comeback.


After watching this doddering old fool mention gun control and executive order in the same sentence, does anyone still doubt that the mass arrests are coming? The U.S. military doesn't hang treasonous commanders and their underlings from lamp posts. They arrest them, give them a trial, and impose harsh sentences.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:53 | 3138121 SilverFish
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They wont do shit. Not as far as their official occupations are concerned anyway. Some might be given orders and just quit and join the rest of the non-govt paid population, sure, but many more will comply out of fear of losing their incomes, or out of fear of losing what freedom they have left.


All in all, they will comply with whatever they are told to do.


The cavalry aint comin, man.


You're/we're on our own.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:14 | 3138227 toomanyfakecons...
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Another guy who never took the oath, wore a uniform, and carried a rifle. Less than 5% of the colonials sent the British empire packing. If it comes to it in this age, .05% of Americans will act and send the current illegitimate government packing.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:50 | 3138385 SilverFish
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First off, you should never assume to know something about someone you have never met in your life. Bad idea in general. Facts are your friend.


This aint the 1700's where it was musket vs musket, dude.


Today, they have heat seeking, infra red, bunker blasting smart bombs and bullets, better armour than you could ever get your hands on and anti-personel armored vehicles equiped with all the bells and whistles you could imagine. High tech weaponry that will make an AK or your 50 cal seem like a pea shooter.


You're not thinking straight, im afraid.


Our best hope is that the government gets into such dire financial straits that they can no longer afford to pay their hired thugs any longer. Anything good that comes out of this will be because they collapsed under their own weight, not a bunch of yahoo's with rifles running around the streets yelling and shaking their fists at at an Appache helicopter that has its sights locked on your torso ready to go.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:00 | 3138494 dexter_morgan
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Sadly true.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:07 | 3138524 SilverFish
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Eh, I dont think of it as sad. Things are gonna be ok eventually. Am I wearing rose colored glasses? Nah. Things might be kinda f-ed up for a while, but the best we can do is keep our wits about us and know where to pick our battles and live to see the end of this empire. It will happen, just like every other empire in history...... from within, under its own weight.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:19 | 3138993 toomanyfakecons...
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You fell into the "they have smart weapons" trap. Did any of dazzling technology win the Vietnam war or win the Afghan war? The will to win and "boots on the ground" matter far more than technology. If just some of the Americans who control the smart/heavy weapons turn them on their treasonous commander, it's lights out for them.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:30 | 3139260 SilverFish
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During the Clinton years, they had bans of certain types of firearms they claimed could be converted to full auto, including uzi's tec 9's and AR type weapons. Nobody did shit. Sure they complained down at the coffee shop and told lots of Clinton jokes to make themselves feel better, but at the end of the day, they all just bowed down and complied, heads down, tails between their legs and going home and watching TV. Same thing will happen this time if a gun ban passes. Sure a few might go out in a blaze of glory, but the rest who witness it will stand down right quick.


You wont do shit. If anything, you'll hide/bury your guns and claim they were stolen, just like the rest of us.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:24 | 3140055 Fedaykinx
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just so i don't make any assumptions about your apparent lack of understanding regarding the ugly tone out in the rural areas right now i'll ask, do you live in a city?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:50 | 3139471 FeralSerf
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". . . best hope is that the government gets into such dire financial straits that they can no longer afford to pay their hired thugs. . ."

They will print as much money as required to keep in power and get first call on all the stuff like food and energy.     Despots always do.   Lincoln did as well.  If the people stop accepting the paper, they will outlaw that as well and confiscate whatever the people are using as a medium of exchange.  They play for keeps.

They lie, they cheat, they steal and they kill.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:58 | 3138484 dexter_morgan
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Wasn't one of the asshat generals out there pimping yesterday for gun control. Don't fool yourselves folks, the military has been cleaned out and replaced with shills for TPTB. Protect and defend the constitution? We'll see I guess. I suspect most will do exactly as they are told.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:31 | 3138634 Abaco
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Do not confuese the military with the political whores of flag rank. See what the noncoms and senior enliusted have to say.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:48 | 3138087 walcott
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Biden just declared war on his own country. What an asshole.

Alex Jones blasted the living crap out of their entire scam illusion.

I hope the military defends the constituion and the american people and turns on these pricks.

This is horrible what an absolute scumbag.



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:58 | 3138142 toomanyfakecons...
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The fear-bots will tell you people in the military and federal marshall service won't endanger their own paychecks. Nice try. Some things matter more than (worthless) money. Honor and love of country is still alive and well in the minds of millions of heavily armed Americans. This is a farce of the highest order. I agree this is tantamount to a declaration of war.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:52 | 3138102 mendolover
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Who doesn't think BHO became a constitutional law professor so that he could become intimately familiar with the constitution so as to be used to disassemble it?  That is if he really is a constitutional law professor.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:54 | 3138130 Hubbs
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Had to give Joe Biden something to do in order to justify his existence.

Looks like Omaba has take a page from  Slick Willie's book when he let Hilliary be used as cannon fodder to present the universal health initiative.


Now it's Joe's time to do Obama's dirty work.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:55 | 3138132 The Heart
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One more time for the gipper!

It is past time for all Americans to stop playing the banksters divide and conquer games. It is time to realize it is we ALL Americans against these corrupted criminals that seek to divide us and kills us all every day. The left-right paradigm is dead. The red and blue state game is dead! The us and them game is dead! It is only about right or wrong and no more than that.

We ALL for the most part are all Americans after all. It is time to realize who your real enemies are and get together with your neighbors and friends, get your church leaders together, and start actively preparing NOW as communities for the MARCH CALAMITIES THAT MAY BE COMING. WE ALL MUST unite against this beast that seeks to kill us ALL off. Time is running out fast.


Why are the Staunchest Gun Control Advocates Jews?:


The History of the House of Rothschild:

The Syngogue of Satan:

Just for kicks, show them ALL this document too.

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion:

This information is posted for posterity purposes so the entire family here can really grasp the whole geo-political picture in these documents. Everyone makes better decisions from a place of greater knowledge. We sincerely hope that most will get it so we can stop wasting so much time hacking at each other as conditioned to do and instead, begin to unite and align all forces to bare down on the real criminal enemies of America.

Pass these historical and vitally important documents on to anyone you know that is still playing the antiquated left-right, two party is one game and ask them to read these thoroughly. Then ask them to tell you who the real enemy is. Ignorance is the greatest sin.

Thank you ALL for your good input here.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:10 | 3138207 optimator
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Sorry I can only give you one green up arrow, should be 10.  I was always amazed at the Protocols, considering they were written over a hundred years ago.  You can call 'em fake, but they sure are being followed to the letter.  If they gave us a timeframe it would have helped.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:33 | 3138344 The Heart
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Yes and thank you.

Be it KNOWN:

No one means to single out any particular group to create a hateful energy towards, rather one as a scholar cannot ignore the mighty uncanny coincidences and everything but normal irregularities in the geo-political past, or the overbearing Hegelian back and forth frothing regurgitorious criminalism of the latest distractionary kabuki theater puppet antics and banterings.

Knowledge is Power. It is how you use that makes it powerful...or not.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:55 | 3138133 Yen Cross
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 I can't wait to see Oscrewballs constituents tell him to find a rock and crawl under it. There are quite a few Dem. representatives from urban and remote areas. This issue is more than Red vs Blue.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:58 | 3138155 optimator
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I'm sure his constituents will call him and do that -- on their O'Bamaphones.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:55 | 3138134 Mi Naem
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"Will Obama Use An Executive Order To Enact Gun Control?"

Early contender for ZH's most viewed and commented of 2013. 

Now, turn around, put your hands on the wall, spread your legs, and bend over. 

Relax, this is for your own security. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:56 | 3138141 Hubbs
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Had to give Joe Biden something to do in order to justify his existence.

Looks like Omaba has take a page from  Slick Willie's book when he let Hilliary be used as cannon fodder to present the universal health initiative.


Now it's Joe's time to do Obama's dirty work.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:08 | 3138197 Hannibal
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Keith Ratliff, the manager of FPS Russia, the 3rd most popular youtube channel was found dead yesterday, tied up to a chair and shot in the back of the head.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:12 | 3138214 lolmao500
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Yep. Can't have someone make guns popular with the young generation now can we??

Me thinks this was a hit by a bunch of extremist left wingers.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:16 | 3138236 earleflorida
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the simple answer is, Yes!

why do you think his right hand man rahm, has let the gun-violence [murders and shootings... no stabbings just gunopoly] go unabated... there's a reason

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:16 | 3138238 Just Observing
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Screw Obama.  Excutive orders only apply to the folks in the excutive branch of govt.  I don't intend to pay one damn lick of attention to them.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:46 | 3138244 DTCC 1999
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Please consider that initiating acts of violence can and will be used as justification to push this agenda. (Directed at anyone close to blowing a gasket)

Hit them with the truth and a good heart like Alex Jones did.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:18 | 3138256 InconvenientCou...
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Bunch of whiners.

Where were you adolescents when my vintage RPG launchers and TNT sticks were being confiscated by these thugs? The Constitution died long ago when they outlawed full automatic Gatling guns.

Love your high capacity magazines? If you believe that will stop the .gov from taking away your liberty you need to find a new religion. Go sign a secession petition too while you're at it.

See you at the FEMA camp. Take my advice, just tell them whatever they want to hear.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:43 | 3139440 Falconsixone
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lol... a quitter calling others

You bend over in the fema camp.

Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once. William Shakespeare

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:23 | 3138291 LongOfTooth
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Grab your ankles folks, here it comes!!!


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:26 | 3138306 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Talk is cheap.  And quite frankly, the gun folks look like misers.  If your're gonna DO SOMETHING, tough guys..... then GET TO IT.   I HEAR a lot of "cold dead hands" hot air....but actual "cold dead hands'?  Not so much.




Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:31 | 3138325 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Duh!  I don't think they have come door to door yet Smoothie!?

Be patient.  Your bosses will surely get what they deserve.  Given your attitude your future doesn't look

too bright either!?



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:41 | 3138386 SmoothCoolSmoke
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At least some of the poor fuckers in Greece and Spain had the balls to pour gasoline on themselves and click a Zippo to show how fed up they were. 

You gun boys ACT at least as bent outta shape as those poor bastards....but I see no one going down in a hail of bullets on the Capital steps...  How about you Tuco?  Show us the way, hey?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:57 | 3139490 Falconsixone
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The one who lacks fortitude cannot but loath himself from the very depths of his conscience. What he loathes is his small moral stature.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:52 | 3138447 dexter_morgan
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Best to ignore these paid trolls in here to stir up crap and incite things.

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