Will Obama Use An Executive Order To Enact Gun Control?

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Moments ago, MSNBC showed a clip in which "gun tzar" VP Joe Biden made it clear that "the President is going to act" on the issue of gun control, and that "executive orders and executive action can be taken." Of course "can" does not mean "will" as the fallout from an executive order bypassing Congress would be rather dramatic, especially on a topic so near and dear to at least half of America, and the response, to put it mildly, would make the Piers Morgan vs Alex Jones screaming match seems like a tranquil discussion between two dignified stoics. If "can" however, does become "will", America may have far bigger issues over the next two months than the debt ceiling, kicking the sequester down another several months, or even the quadrillion yen tuna.

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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:31 | 3137206 Mi Naem
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Take our guns, eh? 

Well, it's time for Samurai Steak Knife to take them back, one at a time. 

In a situation where the state has taken our guns,police officers and others carrying weapons should be very suspicious of people just walking by minding their own business. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:58 | 3137402 pods
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Already there I'm afraid to say.

http://www.paragoulddailypress.com/articles/2012/12/15/top_story/doc50cb...

"[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

(Stovall is the police chief)

pods

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:22 | 3137540 trav777
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Freedom

Peace

Diversity

pick 2.  You won't have the 3rd.

Oh but wait, I'm not allowed to say that; we can't have nice things because brown colored young males are criminally inclined and violent. And the "no snitch" policy in these neighborhoods makes it IMPOSSIBLE to police them.

So the cops will go gestapo and start IDing people....papers please.  but AT NO POINT can we have ANY kind of REALISTIC conversation about who it IS that commits crimes.  We must DESTROY OUR SOCIETY in order to refrain from speaking any kind of truth.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:41 | 3137869 secret_sam
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The Batman-theater shooter guy and the asshole who just shot all the Sandy Hook kids were actually negroes, they just had severe vitaglio.  Everything would be perfect here if it weren't for those damn brown-skinned folks.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:33 | 3137207 lolmao500
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If he does, there will be a civil war... or hopefully the military will intervene before that and overthrow his ass along with congress.

The next realistic step is SCOTUS... but you bet there's already threats being made against Scalia, Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito that if they rule for the second amendment, they, or people they love, are gonna end up dead... or worse.

Remember, the statists only need ONE VOTE to give them a 5-4 majority.

America is a breath away from total chaos... a civil war would mean the whole world economy going kaput.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:34 | 3137251 lunaticfringe
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Ignore the Bill of Rights? Ok. I guess they'll have to suffer the consequences. 

Everyone has choices to make. Molon Labe. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:41 | 3137286 Randall Cabot
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"If he does, there will be a civil war... or hopefully the military will intervene before that and overthrow his ass along with congress."

Gen. McChrystal Throws Weight Behind Effort to Ban Firearms

http://www.infowars.com/gen-mcchrystal-throws-weight-behind-effort-to-ba...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:43 | 3137302 lolmao500
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Yeah I know. The military is full of those sycophants... Still, I'm sure there's lots of REAL patriotic military officers out there.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:14 | 3137494 DCFusor
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I've recently talked to a lot of low level whatthefuckistan vets who are really upset about what we've allowed this country to devolve into while they were in harms way "protecting" it.  If it comes down to it, those guys are going to be on our side.  They remember that their oath was to the Constitution, not the commander in chief.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:17 | 3137506 NotApplicable
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Luckily for law enforcement, those kids have already been classified as terrorists.

Targets!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:02 | 3137433 mckee
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What will civil war do to the sales of iPads? Should I sell my APPL prior to the war?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:03 | 3137439 mckee
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iAmmo

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:18 | 3137517 Miffed Microbio...
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Nah, the guy who made those silly kiddie bullet proof backpacks will come up with the " personal bulletproof iPad jacket ". APPL saved, you're good.

Miffed:-)

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:30 | 3137608 Bohm Squad
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No...just buy the Civil War app...you can fight along with the resistance from the comfort of your living room.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:10 | 3137857 oddball
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There is a drone for that.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:48 | 3137326 MachoMan
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Considering the SCOTUS recently decided that owning a firearm was a fundamental right, I'm not sure where you're going with your post...

Further, as long as you're wishing, you need to wish to keep the military the fuck away from political control...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:58 | 3137373 lolmao500
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=awIn1M4tWxi8&refe...

Chicago Law Banning Handguns in City Upheld by Court

The unanimous three-judge panel ruled today that a U.S. Supreme Court decision last year, which recognized an individual right to bear arms under the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment, didn’t apply to states and municipalities.

In Turkey, they do a good job. The military has been keeping the tyrants away for the last 70 years.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:01 | 3137425 pods
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Does Turkey need to blow up any brown people around the world who refuse to accept their debt money?

Kind of like comparing apples to hand grenades.

pods

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:10 | 3137476 MachoMan
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Are you a troll or something?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago

The SCOTUS already took a shit on your thesis.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:22 | 3137533 lolmao500
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Yeah sorry I wanted to edit but I couldn't.

Still, if they can make a judge change his vote, they can overturn any previous decision...  wouldn't be the first time... Citizen United overturned what... 100+ years of jurisprudence?

Same goes for Obamacare, with enough twists and turns, they declared it constitutional...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:29 | 3137600 MachoMan
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That would be exceptionally rare in the span of a couple of years...  the only way these types of decisions typically get overturned is after 100 years have passed and the court thinks the coast is clear.  However, it may be "clarified" as each case largely rests upon its own facts and circumstances...  thereby reducing its application and, thus, effectiveness.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:30 | 3137610 secret_sam
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What part of "Obamacare" is supposed to be unconstitutional, anyway?  A 3rd-grade level understanding of the Constitution doesn't really suffice in a courtroom, you know.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:35 | 3137652 lolmao500
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They treated it as a tax. It's total BS.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:56 | 3137784 secret_sam
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Total BS, yes, lousy legislation, yes, but not unconstitutional.  Sorry, but that's really just a stupid claim.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:13 | 3137870 lolmao500
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Why treat it as a tax to make it ``constitutional`` if it's constitutional in the first place? Ah yes, because it ain't.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:35 | 3138013 MachoMan
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This is what happens when the judiciary is result oriented...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:48 | 3138089 secret_sam
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Which part of it is not Constitutional?  You never answered that.

Have you ever READ the Constitution?  Go ahead and give it a try, it's not that long.  Find the part that "Obamacare" violates.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:59 | 3138156 lolmao500
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You're forced to buy a service from private companies.

The commerce clause forbids the government from compelling people to enter into commerce.

Right there it's unconstitutional.

If you do not enter into commerce (buy private medical insurance), you're forced to pay a fine... which is unconstitutional... (forcing you to enter into commerce or else) so they just said it was tax instead and they found it legal since congress has the power to levy taxes.

It's unconstitutional.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:16 | 3138245 secret_sam
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    You're forced to buy a service from private companies.

And this conflicts with *what* in the Constitution?

I'd say stuff like drug prohibition and the draft are unconstitutional, too, but hey, that's just like my opinion, man.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:46 | 3138416 Abaco
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And you would be correct.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:47 | 3138671 lolmao500
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Can't you read? THE COMMERCE CLAUSE MAKES IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:50 | 3139779 secret_sam
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How hard can it be to quote the text from the document, eh?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:43 | 3138397 Abaco
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There is no grant of authority for the federal government to regulate health care. Therefore Obamacare is an unconstitutional arrogation of power.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:50 | 3138440 Abaco
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Your entire premise is back asswards. You do not look for what clause a law violates.  You must find what clause provides authority to do something. Every power not specifically granted to the Federal government is prohibited to it.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:32 | 3139735 secret_sam
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I agree with you in theory, but you have to throw out a few hundred years of USSC decision in order to "get there."

The Supreme Court has delivered a lot of decisions over the years, in case you've forgotten.  There is very little Federal law today which can "qualified" as Constitutional according to your definitions, which is all fine, except you're neither the Supreme Court nor the absolute dictator of the USA.

(As a personal note: at the end of the day, folks should distinguish between the personal opinions I happen to hold and my ability to reason about the ARGUMENT.)

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:51 | 3138897 GeezerGeek
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Just which part of Article 1 Section 8 gives the Congress the authority to pass this kind of law? Ditto Medicare and Social Security. It is only the contorted, fallacious/malicious reasoning of the courts that allowed these kinds of programs to exist. Perhaps the problem is in the wording, where the framers perhaps intended "general welfare" to be a goal and not something that could result in legislation.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:41 | 3138384 Abaco
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The federal government only has those powers specifically granted to it by the constitution. There is no such grant of authority to regulate health care.  Health care is NOT commerce. The feds do have the authority to regulate the interstate commerce of goods used in health care. A 3rd grade level of understanding of the Constitution would be an improvement for you.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:44 | 3138396 secret_sam
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The Affordable Care Act doesn't regulate health-care at all.  It regulates health INSURANCE.  Insurance is an industry provided numerous special legal privileges in exchange for extensive regulation.

It's all bullshit and never should have passed, but it's not what you're claiming it is.

(As an aside, incidentally, if the Feds can't regulate healthcare at all, where's anyone supposed to get justification for prohibition of abortion?)

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:45 | 3138403 Abaco
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Insurance is not commerce. Commerce is the exchange of of goods, merchandise at a wholesale (not retail) level. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:48 | 3138678 lolmao500
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Everything sold is considered commerce. So is insurance.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:48 | 3138425 Abaco
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As for your aside - the feds have no authority to pass any legislation regarding abortion, murder, or most anything else unless restricted to the District of Columbia.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:12 | 3137481 aerojet
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That ruling is out of date--that was from June 2 of 2012?  The 7th Circuit apparently has overridden that lower court decision by forcing Illinois to enact a concealed carry law.  Chicago may still have slimed its way out from under the ruling, I don't know.  It's bullshit that major cities where people need concealed carry the most are the places where they are prevented from exercising that capability. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:55 | 3137779 trav777
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mcDonald v chicago applied the 2nd to the States, 561 US 3025

this still won't stop the gov't from trying to weasel out

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:46 | 3137717 trav777
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every single law school student learns that the 14th Amendment applied the BoR to the States.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:54 | 3137367 bank guy in Brussels
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Indeed there are open threats against the US judges

US Federal Judge John Roll was shot dead in Arizona in 2011 shortly after ruling against Obama and the US gov't

Media barely covered it, but the US judges all have the message

If more US judges are killed, more drugged-up 'lone gunmen' can be supplied to 'confess' just like with dead Judge Roll ... making more 'proof' for the gun-grabbers too

That was the reason for Supreme Court Justice Roberts' nervousness when telling the lies upholding Obamacare ... He has to please his bosses or die

Once inside the mafia, there is no way out

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:59 | 3137410 lolmao500
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Yep. They could stage an assassination or a new OKC.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:09 | 3138533 lakecity55
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Do not rule out a fake attempt on Kenyatta.

It was discussed by the Insider before the fake election.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:34 | 3137641 secret_sam
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If it weren't so incredibly difficult to get a gun in AZ, no one would have to worry about government assassinations being carried out there.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:30 | 3139939 Fedaykinx
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wut?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:00 | 3137806 Meatier Shower
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“We the people are the rightful masters of both The Congress and the Courts - not to overthrow The Constitution but to overthrow men who Pervert the Constitution."
- Abraham Lincoln

 

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