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To "The Precious Metal Purchasing Act" From Executive Order 6102 - Santelli's Take
"Ever heard of SB3341?" is Rick Santelli's opening salvo in today's rantless discussion of the concerns he has with Illinois' 'Precious Metal Purchasing Act'. While passed in the Illinois Senate last year, and moth-balled in the House since, Rick notes that "the long and short of it is is they want an audit trail to any precious metals, whether you're talking coins or bullion." It does not seem too much of a stretch to this Chicagoan to the 1933 Executive Order #6102 that confiscated gold and cleared the way eventually for Nixon's 1971 disconnect of the dollar from gold. As Liberty Blitzkrieg's Mike Krieger notes: "So let me get this straight. First they want gun registration and now precious metal registration? I’m sure the government would only use such information in our best interests, because as we all know: Your Government Loves You. Sounds reasonable, after all, only 'terrorists' buy guns and gold anyway."
From the bill (found here)
...Provides that a person who is in the business of purchasing precious metal shall obtain a proof of ownership, create a record of the sale, and verify the identity of the seller. Provides that a person who is in the business of purchasing precious metal shall not pay for the precious metal in cash and shall record the method of payment.
Requires the purchaser to keep a record of the sale for one year or, if the purchase amount is over $500, for 5 years.
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Who's surprised? It'll soon be the case that anything that's valuable & that can be transported will have to be registered for real time tracking, because BigGov&Brother.com wants to ensure it can be recovered if stolen or lost.
All you reckless boatsmen & fishermen, prone to losing valuables at sea in tragic mishaps, rest easy Komrades, for the U.S.S. Capital Control is a blindingly bright vessel of Demokracy, always cruising the high seas, and will recover your "lost" bounty.
#ItIsForYourOwnGood
#WhenYouBuyFirearmsOrGoldOrSilverThatIsTerroristy
#IfYouSeeSomethingSaySomething
Imagine how shocked you would have been to hear such bold attempts to control people 10 years ago.
Now it is a steady stream of statist regulations. They want to regulate guns, precious metals, they can spy on you without a court order, you can be detained without being charged.
This is not a free country.
And, sadly, it will only get worse. All of our worst nightmares about where this country is headed will come true. No if's and's or but's about it. We will have to decide if we want to live as slaves or die free. Most will chose to live as slaves.
They just want to see how traditional we are, that's all.
Some people believe this is the 4th Reich and Dimon admits (to the CFR) the bond ($) will soon implode. How can this be possible when Benny is only printing $85b a month? I will glady register my guns and gold if it means the continued success of our beacon of freedom known as the USSA. Then again, maybe I won't....
Answers to the question of "Why?" Becomes evident in the John Holdren White Paper (1977), Ecoscience. If you haven't read it you won't see the underlying reason for ALL their decisions. The Whys, you already know the Hows. Know the Whys and you'll see the future much clearer.
America and Europe MUST be impoverished and that wealth loss MUST be transferred to 2nd, 3rd & 4th World Nations (not 5th though, they're cut loose). Ref to Chapter 15 onwards.
It is now clear that the 'New Money' have joined the Old Money' in the planning.
Basically, you're completely fucked in the US.
There was a gold sales 1099 provision in Obamacare. I think it got thrown out, but it required dealers to 1099 all bullion sellers over $600. I am sure it will be revisited soon.
There are very specific and particular reasons that gold, silver and other precious metals do not benefit from the far lower long term capital gains tax treatment on 12 month+ at least a day holding period gains that other asset classes (that the benevolent government does bless) enjoy...
When the SHTF hang as many bankers as you can.
You should see the size of the hems on all of my family's clothes.
I have to poop. Paper sucks, you Wall Street fucks! I'll see you vampires in the sun, with my loaded silver gun. Yer goin' down in flames, from Lower Manhattan to the Thames. Your paper is I know not where, I'd rather shit my underwear! For, be there bull, or be there bear, silver is the suit I wear! (With gratitude, and apologies to Dr. Seuss.)
The only paper I own is the stuff I wipe my ass with. Market paper is worthless, because I cannot do a good job of wiping my ass with it.
Gold was worth $28.00 an ounce when I was a kid. Silver was worth whatever was printed on the coin you spent. Any one think those days are coming back? All of the lying bum fucking aristocracy of the Age Of Paper Power can burn in their paper suits soonest. I won't even bother pissing on them to put out the flames.
I collect gold, silver, lead, copper, real dry powder, food, tools, diesel fuel, and other useful commodities. There is a community of folks all doing the same, so skill sets and extra eyes and hands can guard each others sixes, and "break on through to the other side, break on through to the other side, YEAH "
HFT ain't good for me.
Credit defaults far as the eye can see.
CDS's gonna make some messes.Boo hoo hoo as thieves confesses.
TBTF gonna fall off a cliff - REAL NEAT. Wall Street is a bunch of fucking dead meat.
Banks used to be so overleveraged bold.
Now, they're layin' bankrupt,dead and cold. Gonna be nothing but prepper people, all the rest gonna be surprised fucked up Sheeple. God bless this mess. I must confess. I'm a fucking poet,
and didn't even know it.Oathkeepers, Molon Labe. Bitchez.
RISK ON, RISK OFF. DROP YOUR COCKS, AND GRAB YOUR SOCKS, BECAUSE THIS DISNEYLAND RIDE IS JUST BEGINNING !!!!!!!!!Methinks Santelli would be wise to hire some armed 24/7 protection, as TPTB and the TBTF folks just might feel their agenda a little bit threatened by the truth he's proclaiming.
It's an attempt to track who's making what money and where at home. How long do you think it will be before this gold is shipped abroad, resold or even just swapped and brought back in or even held offshore under a company title without any documentation whatsoever?
'shall not pay for the precious metal in cash...'
Funny that, I thought it was legal tender and you had NO CHOICE but to accept it when offered????
Seems to me that I no longer HAVE to accept worthless paper for anything that now contains ANY gold.
Cool.
So, if I want to sell you this rather large hamper with just 1 gramme of gold in it I no longer need in fact it sounds like I'm not even allowed to accept your worthless paper dollars. Suits me.
I wonder where this leads...
A computer that had the computational capacity of the one in your cell-phone did not exist when gold cost $28 per oz (before 1933), the most powerful computer available in 1945 cost $500,000 (+$6 million today).
The vast majority of citizens don't buy gold or silver, they don't care. What it costs doesn't matter, it's simply irrelevant, like the price of fugu or a trip on the Trans-Siberian Railroad.
So-called 'paper' isn't worthless, it represents a binding claim against your time. Time is the part you can't easily measure. Think about it for a minute. Your time is worth more (or less) tomorrow. It's worth more (or less) the day after. When you devote less time to labor (more to leisure) you reduce the worth of your time ... it is YOU who depreciates paper b/c the worth of your TIME falls. At some point there is nothing to make a claim against, the paper has more worth than the holder of it.
This is a paradox but it is at the center of our economic difficulties. The more successful we are the less our claims are worth.
Cheers!
Banks will collapse ... but the bumfuck aristocracy will be sitting on the same thing they've been sitting for most of history, almost everything. Half the wealth in the world is owned by a little over a 1000 people, this will still be true after the economic collapse ... it will wipe out a lot of their paper wealth, but they will still have almost all the productive capital and natural resources in existence (especially after nearly everyone else defaults).
So congratulations on hitching a ride on their quest to restore the historical status quo, you and yours can become freemen ... but don't kid yourself, you will be living in a land of peons ruled by an aristocracy. Gold is not their enemy.
doods, you are boring the f out of me with these end of the world everyday
Don't forget the politicians and judges.
Imagine how shocked you would have been to hear such bold attempts to control people 10 years ago.
And that's the idea in a nutshell. Conditioning, Conditioning, Conditioning. Just look at the TSA for example with its tolerated violation of personal space and "guilty untill proven innocent" standard of practice. Embezzlement is now common place. The concept of privacy is alien to most people (the list is huge).
It's all very sad.
I love to trot out this oldie but goodie on these pieces. Bloomy's not far from this right now...
Lipid Leggin'
Amazing! Thanks - 1978 - he was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy ahead of his time.
check this out.
From here: http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?41079-How-to-Sell-Gold-Withou...
Has everyone overlooked the fact that this article is about a proposed Illinois law? It's a State issue. Aren't we all in favor of this instead of a Federal move on the matter? It's about money in the long run -- revenues. The coin show circuit is taxed for sales in some states and not in others. If ya don't like the Illinois law then vote with your feet.
http://www.thedailybell.com/28559/Gold-and-Silver-Registration-in-Illinois
I don't know about the rest of you, but Santelli is wearing a bit thin in my view. He tends to get tangled up and incoherent at times. Loss of focus with some issues. Love the guy but he's gonna blather himself out of a job sooner or later and we'll all suffer for the loss. Does the name Ratigan ring a bell?
I do not believe that everything that a state government might want to do to you should be encouraged simply because it is being done by a state government rather than the federal government.
State = Illinios = Chicago = the Obama Admin.
'Nuff said!
Oh, pshaw. Just stick with the basics:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=3341&GAID=11&DocTy...
Fret not my dear 'coon...
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Santelli's BOSSES will 'out of focus' him when the time is right... Hell ~ they might even convince you that he is John Gacy's EVIL-ER-ER twin if you don't get the first memo...
Friends & Family will line up around the corner to lap up that tasty doorstep milk...
That's what I'm afraid of. I never said he should disappear but I think he might try being a tad more focused.
He shouldn't go all Alex Jones on the network or we'll lose a valuable asset.
I can't say I mind having Santelli around [even if he gets edited]... & yes, he is a valuable asset [by any definition]...
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I look at it this way... MY OWN voice is the bluntest instrument in the box [though most consider it barbaric]...
This is a whole different topic, but I liken the whole thing to 'Medecine'... I think peple have been 'conned' into thinking that 'Medecine' is so much more advanced than it was centuries ago... You see different surgical techniques & marvel at the results, but then you blindly start thinking that medecine has evolved... On the other side of that coin is that most cancer could probably be treated with hemp oil yet doctors use barbaric CHEMO because that road is more profitable... Yet francis_sawyer is the lunatic for NOT getting all emotionally involved with 'CHUCKSTRONG' & other such movements...
They think 'vaccinations' were the cure all for everything, yet the same medical practitioners [knowingly or unknowingly] are now using vaccinations as delivery systems for eugenics... Once again ~ francis_sawyer is the BAD GUY for calling that into question... Even people on ths blog would prefer that I shut up aout these things [& focus on the REAL IMPORTANT issues like whether or not the S&P is going to hit 1,500]...
Yeah ~ & fuck Alex Jones
I do not believe that everything that a state government might want to do to you should be encouraged simply because it is being done by a state government rather than the federal government.
I agree, but one cannot advocate State's Rights and then bitch about what a State decides. There are remedies.
I'll buy that...
totally agree. it is a State's right.....so let those ignorant cock suckers in IL fuck up their own state....people can move to freedom loving areas if they choose. if not, then the iron fist and the heel of the jackboot are in store for them......fuckthosefuckingfucks.
That's my thesis, but you said it much more eloquently.
I'll buy that too (when you give my HALF OFF ON NEXT PURCHASE coupon)...
You're beginning to sound like ole Slewie the Pie-rat. Now there's a sound-minded individual. He was/is one of my faves.
Don't feel less discomfort because you see it as "a State issue."
The dynamics in play are about the Self-Absorbed -- the Narcissist and the Sociopath -- they know no boundaries, they feed off each other...
they play the same game, and "mission creep" is chomping at the bit to cross State lines (as if it needs to...)
"It's about money in the long run..."
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but "money" is down the list a ways...
it is about Control first, necessary as Self-Preservation comes second...
all else is an inconvenience.
Having such legislation introduced on a state level is the lesser of evils, but it sets an unwelcome precedent. Considering the "monkey see, monkey do" schools of thought in many states, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see similar proposals around the country. Also, I'm shocked a serious effort hasn't been made to introduce a VAT tax of some sort. Notice the AWB in the works includes a taxation scheme as well? All revenue sources to be considered, for a financially wrecked country.
I think it's because he works out of Chicago, or am I wrong about that?
You are correct - no nefarious conspiracy,simply a way to bilk people out of more money. What was once non-taxable went to partial (under a certain amount is taxable) to all taxable. Here (TN) our AG just responded to questions. Essentially, if the sale is for intrinsic value (PM) it is taxable. "Real" money (lol) cannot be taxes because that would "...impinge on Congress’s power to establish a uniform legal tender, which is derived primarily from Congress’s express power to coin money". Nothing about paying in cash or keeping tabs - it's all about revenue.
An incoherent Santelli makes ten times more sense than most of the "hosts".
I'm reminded of how misunderstood Ron Paul was. There were so many issues and so little time!
Santelli could learn from Dr. Paul's experience in staying on message.
What's to stop people from putting a gold coin on a chain and calling it jewelry?
It depends upon how you "put it on a chain". If you drill a hole in it, or put it in a prong bezel, and string it on a chain so that it's one piece -- it's jewelry. (A diamond is held in place with prongs which makes a ring one piece.) If you put in in a screw bezel, which makes it removabale, and there is no damage to the coin, you have 2 items. One being the jewelry and the other being the coin. If you weld a bunch of buffalo nickels into a belt buckle, you have a piece of clothing.
I am bother more by this;
"...Net capital gains from selling collectibles (such as coins or art) are taxed at a maximum 28% rate..."
http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc409.html
Its easy to buy physical PM without the seller knowing the buyer's identity, when done locally at a coin shop, with cash.
What happens if/when the govt. clamps down on the collection of this 28% tax rate...??
Why would anyone want to turn intrinsically valuable PMs into near worthless FRNs?
Good point.
I guess a trade is a better plan.
Not sure I would want to be sitting on a stash of PM if the dollar collapsed.
I would rather have a properly outfitted, seaworthy blue water sailboat at that point in time.
Or a good piece of fertile farm land with a water supply, if I was to stay.
Food, guns & ammo, fuel, water, medicine/medical care, etc....
"Food, guns & ammo, fuel, water, medicine/medical care, etc...."
You dirty, stinking, filthy terrorist! LOL
In that case, add soap to the list.
And I enjoy being a terrrist...
trade is fine, that is perfectly legal.
just don't forget to do your part as a responsible citizen, and fill out IRS form 1099-B to properly disclose your barter exchange.
here is a helpful link for your records:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1099b.pdf
this is censorship, makes it easier when they want to confiscate it.
http://www.cnhedge.com/
Forget the Santelli's bullshit. This is more pleasant to read
Ron Paul’s Free Competition in Currency Act Lives On
Even if not very probable to pass it’s at least a sensible initiative.
Greedy bastards. They don't want anyone but themselves to profit from the coming run up of gold.
.....or, is this just a well orchestrated move to get us to buy gold, like the "gun ban" talk prompted gun buying?
Sector rotation.
they dont how you buy it, they just want a tax on when you sell it.
Yes, and also to know where to confinscate when collateral is needed for imported materials. They wont be trading bonds for those materials needed to build tanks and jets in the near future. Chinese relations are tense.
Barry Soetoro’s 2nd term is going to be sooo bad that he is giving himself secret service protection for life. Incoming executive order banning semi-autos, restricting “large capacity” magazines & severely limiting ammo purchases.
“Patriot” Act & NDAA in place, check! Bill passed streamlining the implementation of domestic drones, check! Fema camps functional & staffed for operation, check! Foreign troops training in urban warfare on American soil, check! Federal, house-to-house gun confiscation training & militarization of local law enforcement, check! Arm local law enforcement & various bureaus with tanks, drones, armored pillboxes & over 1,800,000,000 rounds of hollow-point ammo, check! Disarm the American citizens & extinguish their rights with the stroke of a pen, (soon to be) check! Let Putin know that I’ll have more “flexibility” after the election, check! I could continue for hours, but I’m sure there is nothing going on. I mean c’mon… governments of this world have ONLY killed over 290,000,000 people in the last century alone. They want your guns for YOUR safety…
Here in Florida guns, coins, etc. is not only condoned, it is encouraged! We like it when our people prosper. Here is the site for some big 'FUN' show this weekend with 1500 vendors:
http://www.funtopics.com/fun-convention.html
Here is the layout of the bourse
http://www.funtopics.com/content/forms/FUN_2013_Floor_Plan.pdf
See you there! Last week the gun show was a real blow out, I suspect this will be no different.
Yo Pimp,
Wish we had them down here in Miami.
Broward County (think Ft. Lauderdale) just installed a new, Democrat sheriff. Likes the idea of 'gun control' and 'assault weapons' bans. Let's hear a round of applause for the home county of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
That friggin' hideous man-cow, baying out the party line in pre-mentrual glee, is just too hideous to contemplate. Thankfully the DNC muzzled her(literally) midway through the elections for lying through her fangs, er, tooth. Debbie "Was her name" Schultz(I know nothink!) and Grayson are just another reason to leave FL behind, far behind!
Chupa,
I regret that I have only one thumbs up to give to your post. How I wish more people could realize the truth of what is happening.
Dang it, where did I put that remote. Can't miss dancing with the stars ya know.....
Wild........
@ Wild tree,
Cut, Paste, Spread the word.
Here's my prediction. In four years, you will not be living in a FEMA camp and you will still have loads of guns, unless of course you murder somebody, in which case you will be living in jail and you will have no guns.
And, FB will be $200+.
Of course they wanted us to buy guns. That's why they bought all that ammo - to sell it to us gun-owners and pay off the US debt.
Illinois is broke. They need money-your money. Move to Illinois and help the politicians. Remember it is patriotic.
So, they'll drive people out of business and send buyers to the next state over.
Typical political solution.
Or next country.
I'm from Illinois and I resemble that remark. Oh God, we are so fucked here. The bright voters in my state just gave the democrats super majorities in both houses in the November election.
Move. I left in 1997. What are you staying for the nice weather?
Perhaps a Cubs fan. Hope reigns eternal with those types.
Being from Illinois too, I feel like I'm in the wrong damn place. Not only are they pursuing the legislation focused on in the article, they are aggressively pursuing an AWB. Thankfully, the ban has stalled at the moment. It's a matter of time though before it's taken up again. For what it's worth, I intend to do everything in my power to stop such idiotic bills from becoming law. Thankfully, the wife is of the same mind. If all fails, moving is an option, though it would be meaningless in the face of such legislation on a national level.
Moving from IL is not a bad idea. Being ruled by the Chicago machine is a bad idea, a bad deal as you well know. Cheaper cost of living and cheaper taxes south. Plus the southern folks are more likely to band together and hold the fort. Fuck IL, tired of feeding them tax dollars. TIme to think about movin' on out!
Seriously??? I thought we evolved beyond that years ago. Supermajority is the mark of madness.
SIGN IT NOW! - New White House Petition To Audit U.S. Gold Supply
Thank you.
They need 25,000 signatures by Feb.8, and have 57 to date. That's it? "57"??? Now there's a barn-burner!
It's like getting a medical marijuana card in CA, it just leaves you open to federal prosecution. In this new USA, if you favor your freedom, keep youR head DOWN!
That's why I don't have a CCW permit.
Permits of various sorts can be somewhat cumbersome.
I understand the feeling but that leaves you to choose not to carry or do and commit a felony. Either choice and God help you if you actually need it. The Man may use that list against us some day but then again he may not. The tradeoff for the idea of something which may or may not happen is the very real fact that I get to carry legally, every day.
I don't think hiding or denying your guns allows them to serve their purpose.
Understand the sentiments, but there are so many CHPs out there that the safety in numbers effect kicks in.
Sorry Bro. People are getting a little leary of the fedgov these days and don't want to sign the register book at camp fema. But yeah a gold audit would be very useful in a "free" society...
Yeah. They might as well call it "The turrrorrrest sign-in book". (Note how I slyly altered the spelling in order to duck the bots.)
Nice Rocky, when navigating the world wide web like a fly in the spiders web, it's true more is less.
I always preferred TEAR OUR WRISTS... Your version sounds like Charles Barkley drunk on cheap whiskey...
Nobody, but nobody, was better than Foster Brooks.
Awesome Rocky! Nice blast from ther past! Hiccup!
You're w-welcome (burp).
nahh, everyone has the internet now and things get sensationalized. This stuff did happen 10/20/50 years ago and it was just a blip on CNBC or local news and no one cared. Should be no different now because, does anyone really care about CNBC? or the Illinois senate? not me.
Cool. I don't have to do anything.
What a relief.
please tell me what exactly you were going to do(except writing a post on ZH. which is meaningless) about a bill that didnt even pass the Illinois senate. A state which you probably don't even live in.
pay closer attention to what my state legislature is doing?
No wonder taking into account that American people are imbeciles.
As for liberals and conservatives, they are only capable of complaining.
My friend is a conservative living in California. Now he is retired after spending 35 years working for Lockheed designing and launching spy satellites. He supported every single war America was involved or may be involved in a future. He also thinks that America has no future. America became a country of perverts, illiterate idiots, and illegal 3rd-world immigrants who only can survive on food-stamps and welfare.
As for gold and guns, we will see how many will surrender them. I assume all these laws will have the same “success” as the old 55-miles/hour speed limit.
Ah, the good ole days of saving the world, one pointless gesture at a time!
Where I lived they went the cheap route. Instead of replacing the whole sign, they riveted a 5 over the 6. Then they would do it again. And again. Until eventually they got tired of replacing it, and put up a whole new sign. Then they would do it again. And again. Until eventually kids tired of painting the 5 into a 6.
No wonder they're broke.
Are birds really free from the chains of the skyway.
Ballad in Plain D -- Bob Dylan
After bathing at Baxter's I came to the conclusion that Grace was onto something when suggested "I'd rather have my country die for me."
Well said Zap. Could not agree more. TPTB plans appear to be progressing rapidly now.
I and mine (wife and 15-year-old son fully onboard) will live free or die trying.
And we are trying hard, beginning here:
http://readynutrition.com/resources/52-weeks-to-preparedness-an-introduc...
The state can kiss my ass.
I predict that, sooner or later, there will be a million minute man/woman march on Washington. "Your Treading On Me" should be the rally slogan.
Damn, I'm a terrorist and I didn't even know it. I will just jog on down to the FEMA camp for voluntary reprogramming.
"Imagine how shocked you would have been to hear such bold attempts to control people 10 years ago."
Not really. Bitches who think liberty was agreed upon and not fought for are fucking slaves.
Almost boiling ain't it? And the saddest part is that so few realize it...or care.
Secede.
Withdraw formally from membership in a federal union, an alliance, or a political or religious organization.
However, Mr. Lincoln will kill you.
Why is everyone always suspecting evil intent from our politicians?
Registration of the sale is just there to help you remember what you paid for it, and how much you bought, and also to take your name and address in case you are aflicted with alzheimers and forget about your metal.
Plus... When inflation in metal prices skyrocket and the non-corporate capital gains rates hit 80%... they can just ask you to hand over 80% of your metal. See? Simple. Only a loonie tune or kook would think that they are going to take it all away.
Besides when the inevitable hyperinflation hits if you send them a check in dollars it may lose 50% of it's purchasing value in the week it takes to get to the IRS... just like it did in Zimbabwe.
I plan to pay off my house with a days worth of work when the inflation hits. I will send in my final payment and have tons left over! Of course Im talking about literal tons of cash that Ill need just to buy bread, but at least my house will be paid for.
If you live in arid Arizona a gingerbread house would be a great hedge...
There is an old saying going back to my grandfather... 'anything you have to register, ain't really yours'
I think that sums it up pretty well. If it's registered, it can be taken or taxed off you.
I'd say it's a sort of hypothecation. You get to use it until the State decides they take what they think belongs to them. Hide your stuff!
Yes, but then your property taxes, so the local/state government can continue to properly service you in the manner to which you are accustomed to being serviced, will go up. When our property taxes are higher than the loan payments, will we finally say, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"?
When our property taxes are higher than the loan payments, will we finally say, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"?
Well, maybe when cable goes out nation-wide. Till then, it's all-Matrix, all the time.
The purpose of life, after all, is to watch more TV.
True story. A buddy of mine who is mortgage free in Illinois pays over $100. more per month now in taxes and insurance, than his original monthly principal, interest, tax and insurance payment when he bought his house in 1986
Same here, having lived in the same house since 1978. It has, however, doubled in size since the original purchase. Started at $400/mo PITI. Now pay over $6K for taxes and insurance (excluding flood or windstorm insurance). It could be worse, but Floridians have a cap on yearly increases in R.E. taxes for a primary residence. Similar in effect to rent control; it can pay off big time to stay in one place. Glad I 'retired' to Florida in 1973, when I got out of the Air Force at age 26. Utilities are a different matter, having risen from $10/month to $120/month. In terms of silver, I still pay about the same for utilities. Go figure.
Who says you'll get a decent cola in your wage when "the inflation" hits home? Do you have the pricing power?
They might be able to find my trail of PM puchases but their problem is going to be finding ME!
You?
Yes you might be a problem... but the next generation of metal detectors are going to blow your mind.
When they locate your stash they will naturally be expecting you to be somewhere nearby.
Are you suggesting satellite silver detectors? Oh geez, I'm screwed
And stupid too apparently...
Now they know what metal to calibrate to when they come looking for you...
Stupid huh? I have it all in my safety deposit box at Chase bank. Nobody could ever find it
You trusted it to banksters?
Consider it already gone...
If you can't trust JP Morgan who can you trust?
You are simply a genius good Sir!
The old empty safe deposit box in the bank trick! The IRS will never investigate knowing full well that the bankers have already stolen the contents.
BRILLIANT!
Somebody needs a better sarcasm detector..
Have you seen the taxes on those things?!? It's almost as if the state doesn't want anyone to have one.
...The next generation of sarcasm detectors are going to blow your mind...
But, but, but ... will this 'device' finally enable the progressive mind to sense such things? They do seem to miss such subtlety, which is well demonstrated on the ZH forum. I find this somewhat tiresome when it goes over their heads.
Frankly, it's just not fair. Sarcasm should be banned until ALL can understand. I would suggest a working party made up of the intellectually 'sound' that will work towards producing a series of Federally approved sarcasm lines and/or themes. This must be worked on with urgency by the Government.
Bullish for row boats. I see a lot of boating "accidents" just waiting to happen.
Can those metal detectors detect lead flying at about 2600 fps?
Yes, for about 0.9 seconds at 300 yards. Then they fail from the impact.
Would it be wrong to say: FUCK THE GOVT?
Yes. You should say, "FUCK DA GUBMINT!"
No, it's GOOBERMINT!
And it's "Fuck YOUR GOOBERMINT!"
(being self-governed, mine is just fine, thank you)
Better learn how "imputed income" works.....
I'm just sayin.....
Yet another step toward the cashless society.
If you see something, say something.
OK. I see something. It appears to be headed in my direction, accelerating. Had a pleasingly shimmering appearance, but that is fading rapidly as it nears. Its, its, its like this huge spinning, waste-spewing, groaning, grotesque blob, chomping and guzzling maw of exploding Gubmint, feeding like a cancer on the fleshy softness of compliant, sated, fearful, cowering citizenry. To help describe this greasy, stinking, disgusting, repulsive mass, I'd say it is best personified by Big Sis, the lovely Ms. Janet Napolitano. This thing reeks of fascism, seems to portend pain, destruction, poverty, upheaval, death, revolution.
That's what I see. I'll give Big Sis a call right now. I know she can help.
Spot on again Santelli. I'm sure there will be a few late night gardeners now!
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And people wonder why Illinois is losing one person every five minutes on average....just don't be the last one out!
Obama, am I a Terrorist or a milk cow - I cant be both!
You are a milk cow until you step out of line, Plad. Can you even see the line from where you stand? damned terrorist.. ;)
I'm going to become the laziest fucking milk cow ever then. I suspect there will be alot of cows that become lazy. I'll produce more shit and less milk.
Keep watch TV and Hollywood's crap because they need idiots to brainwash and they keep the sheep inline.
It already was taxageddon starting in 2012 over $600.
"Keep watch TV and Hollywood's crap because they need idiots to brainwash and they keep the sheep inline"
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There's Crockett for that right here on ZH... So for me ~ no need to multitask...
You make a few references to the Stooges and suddenly you're an idiot. What has this world come to?
and radio Freddie, don't forget teh radio-dudes. . .everywhere that provides pre-think for the opinionators, suspect. . .
Sometimes brainwashing works just perfectly. After all, in 1940s Americans believed that Hitler was a bad guy and Stalin was a good guy. Good many even died for this BS and even many more were crippled. They thought they were fighting for freedom but instead they were fighting for Rothschild and other banking mafia families.
The Red Army did the bulk of the fighting against the Nazis and most of the dying as well.
Actually CROC ~ the 3 Stooges are fine by me... My favorite 3 Stooges moment of all time was when Curly picked up the hand crank drill in the sinking rowboat & remarked... "Ooh ~ a water letter outer" [& proceeded to drill another hole]...
That's a good one. My favorite is when Curly becomes enraged when hearing Pop Goes the Weasel.
That will be from all the free food. Well, not free, but YOU won't be paying for it.
That's assuming the welfare state will continue ad infinitum. It wont. Once youre a slave, they wont feed you for free. You will be drafted and sent to war or some other form of "work project". You wont sit around. You'll fucking work your ass off once the state has total control. Right now welfare is used as a tool to buy votes for statists so they can consolidate power. Once power is consolidated, the parasites are fucked because they are no longer useful.