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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog

Where Does The Hatred Of Constitutionalism Come From?

The Constitution of the United States is an undeniably powerful document.  So powerful in fact, that it took establishment elitists with aspirations of globalized governance over a century to diminish the American people’s connection to it.  It’s been a long time coming, but in the new millennium, there is now indeed a subsection of the masses that not only have no relationship to our founding roots, they actually despise those of us who do!

There are a number of reasons for this dangerous development in our culture:  A public school system that rarely if ever teaches children about the revolution, the founders, constitutional liberty, or the virtues of individualism in general.  A mainstream media apparatus that has regurgitated endless anti-constitutional shlock for decades, attacking any person or group that presents a freedom oriented view.  And a governmental structure that has become so corrupt, so openly criminal, that they ignore all aspects of constitutional law without regard, rarely feeling the need to explain themselves.  As a people, we are surrounded daily by the low droning wash-talk of denigration and disdain for our principled foundations.  The wretched ghosts of collectivism and tyranny mumble in our ears from birth to death.  It’s truly a miracle that every man and woman in this nation has not succumbed to the mind numbing hypnotism…

However, our propaganda soaked environment is not the ONLY cause of our self destructive society; many people are themselves to blame.  Severe character flaws and psychological imbalances have left some open to suggestion, manipulation, and fraud.  Their hatred, though fueled in part by the socialization of the establishment, is still theirs to own.

The brutal ignorance on display in mainstream circles against the liberty-minded needs to be addressed.  In my view, the American public is being conditioned to see us as a convenient “enemy” which they can use to project all their internal grief and woe.  Our country is on the verge of collapse, economically, politically, and philosophically.  Corporatized elements of our government and the financial high priests of the international banking sector are behind this calamity, and of course, they don’t plan to take responsibility.  Who better to demonize as the catalyst for all the pain that is coming than the only people who have the awareness and the means to stand against the catastrophe?    

There is no doubt in my mind that a great conflict is near, between those of us who value liberty and constitutional protections, and those who would destroy them.  This battle is unlikely to be solved with words.  The anti-constitutionalist rhetoric is becoming so ruthless, so malicious, that it can only lead to a hardening of our own hearts, and an equally forceful response.

Most of us have seen all the mainstream magazines with front page headlines calling for the retirement of the Constitution.  Most of us know about the suggestions by media entities and political opportunists (including Joe Biden) for Barack Obama to bypass congress and the Constitution, implementing possible gun restriction, registration, and confiscation through “executive order” like a common dictator.  There is an obviously brash and violent effort amongst political players today to mold our government into a godlike entity.  But, this is not what concerns me most.  What concerns me is the subversive boiling poison that is leaking into our culture at the local level, creating freedom hating zombies.  Take, for instance, the anti-constitutionalist crusade by a New Hampshire representative against the New Hampshire Free State Project:

 

What causes someone to hate freedom-loving people so much that they would destroy their own liberties just to drive us away?  Is this not cutting off their own nose just to spite OUR face?  Or, do they even see the loss of freedom for themselves as a bad thing?

And how about Marine Corporal Joshua Boston, who after sending a letter to Dianne Feinstein stating he would not comply with unconstitutional gun restrictions, is now receiving death threats because of his membership in the NRA:

What is the source of the hatred towards constitutionalists?  Where does it originate?  Here are just some of the personal triggers and methodologies within the mind of the anti-freedom advocate which I believe have sullied them beyond repair…

The Anti-Constitutionalist Suffers From An Inferiority Complex

I have found in my role as a Liberty Movement analyst and through literally tens of thousands of debates that anti-constitution advocates are, for the most part, of limited intelligence.  These are the average useful idiots who know little of history, politics, economics, etc., but feel the desperate need to appear as though they are experts on everything.  This usually results in constant attempts to show off for anyone who will pay attention, usually with sound-bites they heard on the nightly news coupled with remedial attacks against the character of those who dare to step outside the mainstream. 

The problem is that deep down, they know they are not very bright.  And so, they seek to always travel with the herd on every issue, for if they cannot be smart, they can at least be accepted.  Ironically, if constitutionalism was being pushed by the mainstream, they would automatically change their tune. 

It is probable that they have run into a Liberty Movement proponent (most of whom are well versed in history, politics, and economics) at least once in their lives, went in for an attack, and were utterly destroyed.  Their inferiority exposed, they learn to detest anything associated with constitutionalism.         

The Anti-Constitutionalist Does Not Like The Idea Of A Law He Cannot Use To His Advantage

Not all anti-constitutionalists are dense.  A limited few are very intelligent, but morally bankrupt.  The Constitution is not just a legal document; it is also an emotional and spiritual document.  If one does not have a relationship with his own conscience and the concept of natural law, then he will discover little in the founding ideals of America that he agrees with.  Some people (usually corrupt politicians and judges) see the law as a weapon to be used against their ideological opponents, whereas constitutionalists see the law as a shield to protect us from such despots.  The Constitution and the Bill Of Rights are both designed to protect our Absolute Freedoms.  That is, freedoms that are inborn and which no person or government is qualified to give as a gift, or take as if they are a privilege.

Nothing angers those who seek power more than a legal framework which they are not allowed to touch, or shift, or “tweak” to suit their private ambitions.      

Constitutional protections are not meant to be subject to the “buts” and “what ifs” common in the lesser legal world.  They are not open to debate.  Our rights are not subject to the demands of the so-called “majority”.  Our rights are eternal, and unchangeable.  Anti-constitutionalists attempt to work around the absolutes of the document by implementing subversive law backed by flawed logic.  But, a law which destroys previous constitutional rights is not a law which any individual American is required to follow.  Even an amendment that undermines our civil liberties is not legally binding.  The freedoms put forth in the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights are SET IN STONE (and this includes the right to bear arms in common use of the military of our day).  They cannot be undone without destroying the very fabric of the republic.

The Anti-Constitutionalist Hates Those Who Go Against The Tide, Even If The Tide Is Drowning Us All

Some people are predisposed to be followers.  They do not want to take responsibility for their futures or even their own actions.  They do not like questions.  They do not like dilemmas.  They want to be left to wallow in their own private prisons, where they are comfortably enslaved.

I remember participating in an End The Fed rally in Pittsburgh in early 2008 which was, like most activist rallies, meant to expose the uneducated public to ideas they may not have heard before.  I found it interesting that around a quarter of the people who strolled by our picket line automatically sneered, as if by reflex, even though they had probably never heard our position, or even heard of the Fed.  It dawned on me that they were not angered by our political or economic views.  Instead they were angered by the mere fact that we were there.  We were vocal, and defiant, and a disruption to their daily robot-like routine.  They hated us because we were ruining their fantasy of disconnectedness. 

Constitutionalists are predominantly individualists.  We do not cater to collectivist fairy tales.  We do not seek to roll with the tide just for the sake of finding our “place” within the machine.  We do not care about “fitting in” with the mainstream.  This is often confounding and infuriating to those who have labored their whole lives to please “the group”.  They accuse us of being “isolationists” in response.  What they do not comprehend is that illusion and delusion have isolated THEM, while the truth has brought constitutionalists together. 

Constitutionalists Are Not Politically Correct

For the past few decades our society has become engrossed with the idea of “proper language and behavior”.  Of course, their idea of “proper” usually involves ignoring the reality of a thing.  For a Constitutionalist, a spade is a spade, and we tend to call it like we see it.  We don’t bother ourselves with superficial niceties that get in the way of legitimate debate or legitimate change.  We are not “pleasant” and tolerant with those who would kill our freedoms.   We do not pull punches.

We are direct, and sometimes, brutal in our analysis. 

In some parts of the Western world (especially the UK) language has become a game, a game of self censorship and deceit.  This game has made its way to the United States in recent years, and Constitutionalists don’t play.  We know that every overtly collectivist society begins with the fear of open expression.  And so, our blunt honesty rattles those invested in the PC culture.  Their ultimate and ideal revenge would be to see us painted as social malcontents; like people who smoke in public, or wear a mullet…

Constitutionalists Are Passionate In Their Beliefs

A large percentage of men and women in this world have never been truly passionate about anything.  They simply eat, breath, and defecate their way through life, scrounging about the squalor of a broken system for whatever brief moments of comfort they can find.  They have never explored their inner workings or suffered the hardship of individuation.  They have never been forced to seek out an inner strength, a personal treasure, which guides them to a greater purpose.  Everything they think they believe in has been conditioned into them.  Their uniqueness is suppressed, and their characters shallow.  They have never loved an idea, or a principle.

Constitutionalists LOVE liberty and the mechanics of freedom.  We love the values of a sovereign republic and the opportunities that such a system provides when collectivists are removed from the picture.  There is no question or doubt in our minds; we would fight and die to protect the pillars of the Constitution. 

When confronted with this kind of passion, the average person is shocked and sometimes appalled.  The idea of unshakable will is frightening to them.  They are so used to compromising in every aspect of their lives that when they run into an uncompromising man, they reel in horror. 

That which they see as “fanaticism” is instead an excitement, a boundless joy, a fervent desire to protect something universal and precious.  What they see as “extreme”, we see as essential.

The Anti-Constitutionalist Thinks He Knows What’s Best For All Of Us

Most people who seek to deny and destroy constitutional liberties tend to lean towards a collectivist philosophy.  They are usually socialist, or a variation (Marxist, Fascist), and can be professed members of either major political party.  They believe that their vision of a perfect cultural system is the “correct” vision.  They see the Constitution as “archaic” or “outdated”.  They see it as nothing more than an obstacle to progress which must be toppled.

The “perfect world” that the collectivist strives for functions on centralization: the removal of options until there are no choices left for the common man except those which the collectivist wants him to have.  This world usually suffers from limited free speech, limited civic participation, zero tolerance for dissent, near zero privacy from government eyes, a completely disarmed populous, unaccountable leadership, and the encouragement of informer networks and betrayal for profit.  The goal is to intimidate the whole of a nation into dependence on the system, until every necessity from food to self defense is parceled out by the state.  

Collectivists understand one thing very clearly; an America without the Constitution is destined to become a centralized country. 

They will, of course, claim this is a gross exaggeration.  They will claim that this time will be different.  That the collectivist experiments of the past, which produced nothing but destruction and genocide of their own populations, are nothing similar to what they are espousing.  They will pretend as if their vision is new, progressive, and far more practical than the vision of the Founding Fathers.   In the end though, all they are promoting is a system as old as history; the feudal kingdom.  The mercantile oligarchy.  The militarized state.

At the height of their vicious sabotage of the republic, they will demonize our very heritage, claiming that it was a sham.  That we were never able to “live up to our beliefs anyway”.  That we are “hypocrites”, and this somehow negates the reverence we give to the Constitution.  Unfortunately for them, we know better.  We understand that the principles of the Constitution are not something we grasp at all times, but rather, something to which we aspire to, and grow into as our nation matures.  They require patience, and wisdom.  They force us to question our own “brilliance”, and our own egos.  They anchor us, preventing us from being swept away in the storms of fear.

There has never been and there will never be a better method of law and governance than that method which defends the individualism and freedom of the people.  The most fantastic of human accomplishments, in technology as well as in philosophy, spring from the nurturing waters of liberty.  Free minds and hearts create.  They refuse to be contained, and the Constitution gives us license to ensure that they will never be contained, even to the point of revolution. 

To deny constitutionalism, is to endorse oppression.  May we forever rebel against the agents of “progress”.  May we forever give them something to hate.

 

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Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:54 | 3142030 francis_sawyer
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Because I was absent the day that the brains were put through the laundry cycle...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:58 | 3142051 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Stop kidding around. I would like a serious answer as to why you can compare yourself favorably with a character from a movie produced by Jews while at the same time you insist that anyone else with any connection to any Jew whatsoever is evil.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:23 | 3142144 francis_sawyer
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My answer is that I don't "insist that anyone else with any connection to any Jew whatsoever is evil"...

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Instead ~ What I DO say is that every single day here on ZH we are treated to dozens of stories of this & that [mostly having to do with 'systemic monetary corruption']... There cannot exist SYSTEMIC anything without first having a SYSTEM in place... That SYSTEM is controlled by folks... For the most part, it harms the MANY, while enriching the FEW [worse ~ it ENSLAVES the many]...

I know that francis_sawyer has ZERO culpability [though folks like yourself seem to like to label me as the 'bad guy']... I've kind of eliminated the Muslims as well because 'Sharia Law' does not permit usury [my conclusions are what they are IN THE MOMENT, & could become fluid in the case of changing events which may occur over time but have not yet manifested]... The fact that I even mentioned Muslims HAS ZERO TO DO WITH FAITH OR RELIGION... Likewise ~ the fact that I nominate a lot of Jews, culturally, as having an innumerate fingerprint on the SYSTEMIC rot HAS ZERO TO DO WITH FAITH OR RELIGION...

I'm just trying to identify my enemy here... My logic tells me that ANYTHING 'systemic' is more likely to have a PLAN involved... It's hard to argue, or make a case for 'SYSTEMIC RANDOMNESS' [unless you are talking about nature itself]... I doubt that the SYSTEMIC characteristics of what humans face at the present moment has 'NATURE'S' stamp of approval on it... Moreover ~ I believe that NATURE itself will ultimately win...

So ~ mankind has the choice of following its own artificial SYSTEM into oblivion [of which ~ I hereby elect you as First Lieutenant of that platoon]... Or ~ they can try & live in HARMONY with nature [which, by the way, can be a brutal undertaking in of itself, but has its rewards]...

Good day...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 19:23 | 3142639 CrockettAlmanac.com
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the fact that I nominate a lot of Jews, culturally, as having an innumerate fingerprint on the SYSTEMIC rot HAS ZERO TO DO WITH FAITH OR RELIGION...

 

So why do you insist on ranting about "joobux?" It seems to me if the fiat system "HAS ZERO TO DO WITH FAITH OR RELIGION," then repeating "joobux" ad naseum not only misses the point but distracts from the point in an ugly and unnecessary way. What do you hope to gain by defaming an entire religious group when you will admit under duress that you supposedly see no link between that religion and the fiat monetary system?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 20:16 | 3142761 francis_sawyer
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I guess you really either don't read my comments [or ~ do not comprehend them]...

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I'm not identifying, or linking a 'RELIGION' to the fiat monetary system... I simply find it odd that the 'tangent' [which happens to be understood, by most, as having to do with religion, & whereby the lions share of the MASTERMINDS, BENEFICIARIES, CHIEFTANS, CONTROLLERS, DEPUTIES, & DEPUTIES IN WAITING, actually [whether consciously or not] link THEMSELVES is extraordinary...

Especially whereby the aggregate number of humans [on planet earth], by far, which I mean to say, 99-1-ish, is not similarly linked...

IOW ~ If the lions share the above described happened to be 'Trekkies'... My skepticism would be drawn in that direction [until the well funded 'Trekkie Anti-Defamation League' was able to set me straight]...

So at the moment... TREKBUX is not in my lexicon [because I'm not aware that there are a lot of Trekkies stealing my money ~ I have a CHOICE to SAY NO to the Captain Kirk bobblehead]...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 20:18 | 3142792 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Roddenberry was a Jew as are Kirk, Spock and Chekhov. Better get crackin'!

 

I'm not identifying, or linking a 'RELIGION' to the fiat monetary system...

 

Then please explain your near ubiquitous employment of the term, "joobux."

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 20:20 | 3142809 francis_sawyer
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I never said that Roddenberry, Kirk, Spock, or Chekhov were stealing my money... Perhaps they're just stealing the 'Trekkies' money [which would be an interesting fractal of nature]...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 20:22 | 3142815 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I'm not identifying, or linking a 'RELIGION' to the fiat monetary system...

 

Then please explain your near ubiquitous employment of the term, "joobux."

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 20:30 | 3142823 francis_sawyer
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 "Then please explain your near ubiquitous employment of the term, "joobux."

I answered that in my previous comment... [which confirms my previous statment that you don't seem to make any attempt to read my comments thoroughly & instead prefer to dwell on the radioactive SOUND BYTE portions]...

To wit (I said):

"I simply find it odd that the 'tangent' [which happens to be understood, by most, as having to do with religion, & whereby the lions share of the MASTERMINDS, BENEFICIARIES, CHIEFTANS, CONTROLLERS, DEPUTIES, & DEPUTIES IN WAITING, actually [whether consciously or not] link THEMSELVES is extraordinary..."

Joo, in this case, refers to the link [the 'identifiable' connection amongst so-called pride members, or, most predominant one, as the case may be ... It's not an indictment of THE RELIGION... God knows I don't even believe in RELIGIONS... or, more precisely, I'm aware that they exist, but I'm not subject to their beliefs or creed systems...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 20:31 | 3142845 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I can not process your contradictions. If you are not linking fiat money to any religion but you continue to assert that "joobux" is a reasonable term to describe fiat money then the fault is in your own psychosis and not my reading comprehension.

Let's cut to the chase. Now that you have asserted that you see no link between the Jewish religion and fiat money will you eschew the use of your pet term, "joobux?"

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 21:11 | 3142899 francis_sawyer
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Sorry to say that the answer is "no"...

For the record, I don't walk about town and talk about "joobux" to everyone I meet [so luckily it is only you & a couple of other thin skinned fucks that have to worry about my poison words ~ Also, luckily, I'm not stealing their or your money by way of printing up counterfeit joobux out of thin air & using the proceeds to manipulate control of the masses to my personal liking ~ as such, the 'misdemeanor' nature of my crime might allow me to make it into Elysium after all]... ZH is an interesting forum though... I've NEVER run across any forum [in any medium], whereby you were actually permitted to use such terminology [which is incredible in of itself because I highly suspect that one or more of the 'Tylers' themselves are Jewish]... I like a lot of Jews... It's obvious by my comments that I watch their movies, listen to their music, & even eat their food... I make a mean Matzoh Ball Soup...

As I stated before ~ it is not an indictment on THE RELIGION [or even the people]...

I AM saying that its quite odd that the debt based fiat monetary system [which is mostly masterminded & controlled by people who happen to be Jews], is a really bad thing... & until people are no longer afraid to face up to that fact... & perhaps for many more Jews themselves to become vocal about that phenomenon [which happens on an 'all too rare' occasion]... Then we're all just spinning our wheels when it comes to expecting that a solution will ever be reached by thoughtful minds...

I don't warm up ovens, & I don't spray paint swastikas on synagogues... But I'm warning everyone that if the oppression continues [on the many ~ by the few], then NATURE will find a way to make that happen on its own... 

Ecclesiastes ~ of the book of the Jewish Ketuvim, says as much...

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Look Crockett ~ I actually have to give you a lot of credit for taking the time & effort to go to the mat with me on this [whether you appreciate the 'subtleties' or not]... In the past ~ I've given credit to fuu & Ms Creant for the same... I'm not tring to drag them into this conversation other than to say that I appreciate folks who will, AT LEAST, take a little time to poke around... What IS NOT helpful are folks who browse by quickly, see a RADIOACTIVE WORD that they've been conditioned to not like... Drop a red arrow & then move on to the comedy section of the thread...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 21:27 | 3143012 CrockettAlmanac.com
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By my reckoning the following statements made by you contradict each other.

 

1.

I AM saying that its quite odd that the debt based fiat monetary system [which is mostly masterminded & controlled by people who happen to be Jews], is a really bad thing... & until people are no longer afraid to face up to that fact... & perhaps for many more Jews themselves to become vocal about that phenomenon [which happens on an 'all too rare' occasion]... Then we're all just spinning our wheels when it comes to expecting that a solution will ever be reached by thoughtful minds...

 

2.

I'm not identifying, or linking a 'RELIGION' to the fiat monetary system...

 

Why do you not consider the content of 1. to be an attempt to link Judaism to fiat money? If 2. is true why do you plan to continue to describe fiat money as "joobux?"

 

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 22:52 | 3143246 francis_sawyer
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Sigh ~

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I'm not angered in any way by your comment... [Frustrated maybe ~ & perhaps my frustration is not the fault of yours]... There simply seems to be a 'gap' between my efforts to explain the subtle nature of my comments & your comprehension...

If it makes you feel any better, I'll accept the blame... I tried my best to convey my thoughts on the subject... In the end ~ I could be WRONG about the whole thing [that's NOT for me to decide ~ it's NATURE who will decide]... Nature has an uncanny way of letting you know about things as it passes by you...

The 'dance' with nature has neither a beginning, nor an end... It only has a PRESENT [which, itself, is only an interpretation]... I've shared mine... I'm not responsible for OTHERS interpretations of the same [my own are hard enough to deal with]... It's 'fireside chat' in the end...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:05 | 3143275 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I'm not trying to make you angry. It's simply my feeling that ZH is a busy place with lots of new folks floating through at any given time. It would be nice to have a chance to convince them of the evils of unsound money without someone shouting "joobux" all over the place and spoiling the ambiance.

As you have stated that religion has absolutely no link to fiat money I wonder what motivates you to deliberately distract from honest debate with rhetoric intended to incite rather than to elucidate. Nothing positive is gained by such a course of action and much that is positive is lost.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 00:34 | 3143427 francis_sawyer
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 "It would be nice to have a chance to convince them of the evils of unsound money without someone shouting "joobux" all over the place and spoiling the ambiance..."

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If people are so inclined to be "passers-by", & not spend the time to involve themselves in the dirty work of dialogue then FUCK THEM... As such ~ I'm concernd neither with their appearance, nor disappearance... 

"I wonder what motivates you to deliberately distract from honest debate with rhetoric intended to incite..."

What can I possibly say other than to point out that any "HONEST" debate that doesn't include the extraordinary fingerprint of Jews on the subject DOESN'T, [in my mind] qualify as HONEST DEBATE...

Nothing positive EVER is achieved by skirting reality... Which means there are no positives to be found anywhere in this case [with or without the words of francis_sawyer]... 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:28 | 3144864 CrockettAlmanac.com
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....said the guy who insists that he has not linked fiat currency to any religion whatsoever. Excuse me but I'm off to talk to a doorstop in anticipation of making greater headway than I have achieved here.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 22:51 | 3143247 francis_sawyer
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Sigh ~

~~~

I'm not angered in any way by your comment... [Frustrated maybe ~ & perhaps my frustration is not the fault of yours]... There simply seems to be a 'gap' between my efforts to explain the subtle nature of my comments & your comprehension...

If it makes you feel any better, I'll accept the blame... I tried my best to convey my thoughts on the subject... In the end ~ I could be WRONG about the whole thing [that's NOT for me to decide ~ it's NATURE who will decide]... Nature has an uncanny way of letting you know about things...

The 'dance' with nature has neither a beginning, nor an end... It only has a PRESENT [which, itself, is only an interpretation]... I've shared mine... I'm not responsible for OTHERS interpretations of the same [my own are hard enough to deal with]... It's 'fireside chat' in the end...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 01:31 | 3143475 Tall Tom
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I have read the dialouge. I understand that there are a disproportionate number of Jews whom are involved in the Banking industry, in the Diamond Trade, and in the Gold Trade. I will not dispute that.

HOWEVER...

 

There are Jewish Organizations that are Antizionist. Type "jews against zionism" into an internet search and numerous organizations will appear. So your premise that the Jews do not protest the theft, war, and bloodshed is a fallacy.

 

The next problem, while you personally may not believe this, is that there are many, many people who DO believe that the Jews are a Race, not just a Religion. I am one whom is included in this population. I am not a Jew but a Gentile. However I believe that they were separated from the World to create the Christ. Thus they became genetically isolate and, as a result, a distinct race. So when you claim that the Jews are behind the theft and wars that only smacks of racism to many, many people.

 

Regardless if you are a racist, or if you are not a racist, the ad hominum attack (joobux) detracts from your argument that there is an elitist conspiracy (which I agree that there is) to defraud the masses from their wealth. Many just write you off as a racist without considering the validity of any other statement that you may make. This does not serve the ones whom want to expose the conspiracy well.

 

Because of people as yourself they associate many of us, MISTAKENLY, of being Antisemetic (misnomer), or Antijewish, of being BIGOTED. Sometimes it makes me wonder if the elitists themselves do not plant that seed within our ranks in order to discredit us when we rightfully attempt to expose them for their thefts and violence.

 

Personally I do not care if the elitists are Jews, or Trekkies, or Vulcans, or Martians, or Asians, or Whites, or Blacks, or Arabians, or Hispanics, or Lizard People...Reptilians. I care that there is an elitist global conspiracy that is set out to enslave us. I want the elitists exposed and methods implemented to stop them from realizing their goals. That is one of my goals.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:03 | 3143280 BigDuke6
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Listen, anybody who hates Spielberg is a friend of mine.

Did you see what he did to Indiana Jones?   No? Well watch south park.

He's not going to sodomise Abraham Lincoln for sure...Honest abe is a grade A kosher, MC/MIC/TPTB approved, re-write history as you want the sheep to believe it.... hero.

That movie will be a true oscar winning heap of shit.

Spielberg can eat me raw.

Carry on.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:07 | 3143288 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Did you see what he did to Indiana Jones?   No? Well watch south park.

 

If you don't mind I'll skip them both.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:26 | 3143321 BigDuke6
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See what Spielberg did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYlLY5UJfKI

He's evil.

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 11:19 | 3143879 francis_sawyer
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@TT

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There are Jewish Organizations that are Antizionist. Type "jews against zionism" into an internet search and numerous organizations will appear. So your premise that the Jews do not protest the theft, war, and bloodshed is a fallacy...

I didn't say they they didn't exist, I said they are few & far between... Most create much more of a smokescreen than they actually provide clarity because they beat around the bush... May more actully serve as a 'controlled opposition'...

 

The next problem, while you personally may not believe this, is that there are many, many people who DO believe that the Jews are a Race, not just a Religion. I am one whom is included in this population. I am not a Jew but a Gentile. However I believe that they were separated from the World to create the Christ. Thus they became genetically isolate and, as a result, a distinct race. So when you claim that the Jews are behind the theft and wars that only smacks of racism to many, many people.

You can believe what you want to believe based on your Bible studies [or whatever led to to formulate those beliefs]... If I make a claim that there is a tremendous, [almost statistically impossible] fingerprint of people who call THEMSELVES 'Jews' on the system of theft & usury that exists globally today, it is because I BELIEVE I am accurate in making that distinction... I express as much, in words, so that readers can come to their own conclusions & beliefs (which are formulated NOT by just reading my words, but also considering other points of view)... I'm probably accurate in observing that Jesus has made a convincing impression on your personal set of beliefs... The words of Jesus RANG TRUE to you... At the same time, the words of Jesus DIDN'T ring true to others... In the end, it's for the individual to distinguish between TRUTH & a SALES PITCH... I'm not trying to play JESUS here, but I'm guessing if he were here preaching a sermon, HIS pov would come out in a very similar way... 

 

Regardless if you are a racist, or if you are not a racist, the ad hominum attack (joobux) detracts from your argument that there is an elitist conspiracy (which I agree that there is) to defraud the masses from their wealth. Many just write you off as a racist without considering the validity of any other statement that you may make. This does not serve the ones whom want to expose the conspiracy well.

People are too quick to label anyything they are conditioned to dislike as 'ad hominEm'... As far as 'elitist conspiracies' go... Oddly ~ I don't even really care about that as much as it sounds... IOW ~ I'm not trying to play Joan of Arc here & save the world from 'the elites'... It is the responsibility of each person to deal with it in their own way [& become FREE themselves, notwithstanding the levers of pressure that are stacked against them in that endeavor]... I'm VOCAL about it in the way that I'm VOCAL about it... It is what it is... I'm not interested in 'tactics'... If I reach some people, fine, if not, fine... As I mentioned above, it is very likely that Jesus pissed off a bunch of people as he went along... He fucking got himself CRUCIFIED [so he must have pissed off somebody]... I apologize if that was not expressed in the most delicate way possible...

 

Because of people as yourself they associate many of us, MISTAKENLY, of being Antisemetic (misnomer), or Antijewish, of being BIGOTED. Sometimes it makes me wonder if the elitists themselves do not plant that seed within our ranks in order to discredit us when we rightfully attempt to expose them for their thefts and violence.

Elites always try to 'plant seeds'... Your problem, or my problem or anyone's problem isn't with the elites... It's with yourself (or myself)... All it takes for you to NOT be a subject is to stand up and say "I'M NOT A SUBJECT" (which is what I believe I'm doing in the moment)...

My favorite movie scene is from "Zr. Zhivago" [the train scene], it contains a dissident [role played by Klaus Kinsky] that was in chains & being hauled away to the Gulag... He looks at all the people in the cattle car & says "I'm the only FREE man on this train ~ the rest of you are cattle"...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:32 | 3141904 Ghordius
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I'd bet you have not read the Agenda 21 documents, have very little knowledge of the Rothschilds, have clearly no idea of the Balfur Agreement, have no idea how much the Zionists hated the Agreement, have no idea how long the Zionists were committing acts of terror in order to get the Brits out of Palestina - who were there because of the aforementioned Agreement, have very little knowledge about how Angloskeptic America was in the times of Wilson, probably don't even know why the US joined WWI...

...and probably can't even explain what the UN is and how it functions...

...and probably can't even explain why the NRA is against the last draft Arms Treaty

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:45 | 3141984 francis_sawyer
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I bet some monkey just typed them up... It was one of those 'mathematical' possibilities... Probably penned by the same monkeys who randomly came up with the Bible after a bender...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:50 | 3142011 Ghordius
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do you have serious knowledge about the Balfour Agreement? Yes or no? That's the easy one of the list

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:57 | 3142057 francis_sawyer
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Child please... How much does one really need to know?

~~~

Is your next question to ask me if I have 'serious knowledge' of WHY Obamacare, or Dodd-Frank was passed?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:05 | 3142093 Ghordius
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I thought so - over a hundred wars and civil wars because of some details of the Balfour Agreement and "How much does one really need to know"

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 18:57 | 3142153 francis_sawyer
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Precisely!... [especially the part about the 'over a hundred wars & civil wars']... You finally GET IT!... [except for the part about where 'THE WARS' aren't over yet & it is your ignorance that allows that to happen]...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 21:48 | 3143082 Clark Bent
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Who cares who made the statement if the sentiments expressed are laudable? Only the left discredits all factual material on the basis of where it came from. I'm no particular fan of Brandeis or anyone in that ridiculous administration (Roosevelt) but the statement is cogent and inspiring. 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 00:42 | 3143438 francis_sawyer
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I'd call it "patronizing" [for the sole purpose of effect]...

~~~

& I promise to not cum in your mouth & I'll respect you in the morning...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:44 | 3141610 Flakmeister
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Too bad Madison et al did not anticipate Santa Clara Co. v. Southern Pacific Railroad...

In that ruling lies the roots of American corporate facsism...

Jefferson, Adams, Madison et al. would be absolutely mortified at the legal status of a corporation...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:24 | 3141872 trav777
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Dormant Commerce Clause jurisprudence has been FAR more injurious than Southern Pacific Railroad.

That is the lynchpin of Congressional overreach for almost 2 centuries

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:33 | 3141921 Flakmeister
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Yes, but the root of the influence that shaped the application of the Commerce clause lies in SC v. SP RR...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:56 | 3142049 earleflorida
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and yet corporate lawyers have ru[i]n'd the country since Lincoln himself was of the same ilk...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:05 | 3142094 Flakmeister
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Look, you lost, get over it....

While you are at it, you might want to google "Cornerstone Speech", or did that disappear down the memory hole south of the MD line?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:32 | 3141616 InconvenientCou...
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you are shadow boxing.

Why don't you explore how the constitution was subordinated and marginalized long ago and no one noticed.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:32 | 3141617 Quinvarius
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If they keep pushing this anti-gun stuff, a lot of people are just going to decide we are in a civil war.  They let the Fed print money to buy up all the housing we live in.  They let the Fed print money to give to their buddies, and devalued everyone elses savings in the process.  They spy on us.  They lie to us.  They claim authority over us no matter where we are.  They tax us endlessly while giving out freebies to people who will vote for them.  They are too incompetent to even figure out how to stop spending money.  They have no respect for the law.  They refuse to prosecute the biggest fraud cases teh planet has ever seen.  Now they think they are going to take away's people's guns?  At the very moment they seem the most insane, corrupt, and incompetent, they are going to try and disarm people.  It isn't going to happen that easy.  They need to be more careful. 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 19:57 | 3142724 RockyRacoon
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Why not?   The Second Amendment has already been abridged.  It has become of no import, when the first gun law was passed, no?  It's been game-on for some time now.  Just not to the point of outright swapping of lead.  Too bad that the citizens don't have the same firepower that the 2A was designed for in combating its perceived enemy.  The neutralizing of the 2A has been effective since there is no way the average militiaman can fight equally with the weapons that the gendarmes are wielding.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 21:55 | 3143105 Clark Bent
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We are in a civil war. There is no longer any possibility of reconciliation, the left is destroying its greatest obstacle and their vituperation increases every day, despite their "win" in November. The sides are just getting separated to start the haymakers. The left is ahead of us as they have been self-defining via political correctness and other secret handshakes. The O is trying to move fast before the real opposition coalesces.He won't make it, but what was will never be agin. 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:34 | 3141621 BLOTTO
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Guest Post: Where Does The Hatred Of Constitutionalism Come From?

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*looks around*

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<whispering> A. Occult Satanists.

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~poof~

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 19:15 | 3142618 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bingo. Satan worship and the Occult is real.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:33 | 3141623 Chief_Illiniwek
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The constitution frames a system of accountability.  Currently, accountability - in this country - is embraced much as Superman embraced kryptonite.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:01 | 3141624 koncaswatch
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Of course the statists hate the Constitution, how could it be otherwise? The beauty of the US Constitution was in its fundamental structure of limiting government. No statist can possibly see their methodology reach full realization while a document like the US Constitution is in force or enforced.

The US no longer is ruled by its Constitutional principle: statists have won.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:35 | 3141628 j-dub
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Hug your mother.

Heck, hug your father.

For they know not the country they live in.

Always be loyal to your country.  Never to the people in power, because they are conning you everyday.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:06 | 3142097 Cathartes Aura
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Always be loyal to your country.

best to find out exactly what "your country" is, means, where it resides, and who's in charge first.

is the "flag" true, or false?

blind loyalty always ends up in the same place. . .

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 08:39 | 3143740 Random
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Bahahahaha, LOYAL TO YOUR COUNTRY?! Country is a fucking mind construct, it means NOTHING! Are we supposed to be loyal to the thieves that fucked us over since live ever, thieves that hide behind everything they can: country, state, law, political alignment, sport team blah blah?! Be loyal, kind and truthful to your fellow man, not to a made up construct that is meant to cage you!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:35 | 3141631 Shameful
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A large segment of humanity wants to be slaves.  They want a strong man to tell them what to do, and in return they are willing to be his slave.  If the slave masters were to vanish into the ether tonight by the morning they would be out seeking a new master to bind them into chains.  To give them the freedom from having to think for themselves.

This is the problem we face, we stand in between the willing slaves and the slave masters.  Neither group likes us very much.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:09 | 3142111 NeedtoSecede
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+1 Shameful and +1 Zero Hedge for this article.

Like many here, I have been withdrawing from all things political, but will still enter into discussions with people that appear open minded. However, whenever I suspect I am dealing with a progressive or statist, I just ask a simple question about the Constitution. If they answer with anything that sounds like "the Constitution doesn't matter” I wish them well and go about my day. I have found that it useless to talk about anything of substance with such people, as their hatred will come out very quickly.

Another way to spot a statist/progressive: ALL of their cultural and political discussions revolve around the words power and control. When those words are the focus of the discussion, wish them well and move along-they are lost.

Secession is looking better every day...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:35 | 3141638 G_T_A_44
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Was the shredder of the Constitution the very same employed via the SEC-CFTC et al?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 18:01 | 3142355 Tall Tom
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"The Constitution is just a God Damned piece of paper.", President George W. Bush.

 

Who began it? I am certain that the attack has been on it since before Abraham Lincoln.

 

Bush just accelerated the process by Executive Order Rule (EVEN WITH A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN BOTH HOUSES FOR HIS FIRST SIX YEARS.), The Patriot Acts, and his Socialist Policies. Obama is now trying to outdo him in the exponential growth of the decay of our Civil Rights.

 

Wake up.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:38 | 3141652 lolmao500
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This is gonna end SUPER WELL..

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1124161/japan-may-allow-jets-fire...

Japan may allow jets to fire warning shots at Chinese aircraft

Tokyo considers authorising Japanese military aircraft to take action if China’s planes enter air space near disputed waters

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:54 | 3141722 lemonobrien
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they just practicing for the next war.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:03 | 3141768 The Alarmist
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They've gotta be careful ... the Chiners might use their earthquake machine to trigger another tsunami.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:39 | 3141655 percyklein
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This is not hard. It is because Americans can't and don't read.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:39 | 3141658 zerotohero
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America is no longer the "United States" of America - division is rampant in society and culture. The constitution represents nothing to a huge percentage of the population. You either get this and understand that the future will be nothing like the past or you move - get out and become free.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:11 | 3141807 Lin S
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But move to where?

I have no other passport or citizenship except the US...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 19:18 | 3142626 Buckaroo Banzai
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Move out of Libtard America, and move to Free America.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 22:00 | 3143131 Clark Bent
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Where the hell is all this freedom happening?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:41 | 3141664 Budd aka Sidewinder
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Any usurpation of liberty and reduction of freedoms as espoused by the NH state representative will not apply to them.  That's why they don't fear it.  They are above the system and are cut from finer cloth.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:44 | 3141668 Kiss My Iceland...
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"Where Does The Hatred Of Constitutionalism Come From?"

 

The constitution was intended, among other things, to protect citizens from abuses of power and to promote a free, capitalist society.

Today, capitalism is dead (and it's not coming back.)

We're governed by banker-militarist elites.

Citizens vote in politicians who borrow and spend recklessly expecting the next generation to pay (taxation without representation.)

Obviously, something didn't work :)

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:42 | 3141942 falak pema
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Don't try and convince the libertarians that they say one thing and in fact support its opposite : the legacy of libertarianism in practice by Reagan-Thatcherism. THE REAL WORLD OF KOCH A DOODLE  AND NWO BUSH N IRAK CAPER. 

They created this deregulated OLigarchy, world of "greed is  good"; and its good 'cos its ANTI-statist in the regulatory and making a level playing field sense; the worst disease on earth as it denies the poor to rise to excellence. Not that that is IN ANY WAY  perfect but its the worst only to the extent of barring all others! Such is History's verdict.

Really? What about the facts? What about Caesar's Palace of Casino capitalism; free man's paradise? Made in good ole WS USA right in front of our eyes. 

You don't want to accept that reality! No way, of what their OWN ideology has begotten like night follows day. We need to find an alternative vision of that new reality; call it Keynesianism...you know, labels are awesome...like saying the guy is a specimen  of that lousy, lousy race that crucified the Saviour! Heretic ! Or worse! That desecrated Jerusalem by making it land of the other fella! Infidel! The perennial bogey man honey trap. 

Just like the dogmatic christians who HATED the process of Inquiry and Inquest; aka the greek tradition, and loved the universal truth of Dogma and "GOd wills it". Until it led to the demise of Catholicism...How do you reason with that?

You don't, you do like Michael Angelo : you paint the Sixtine Chapel and you astonish the world. YOu create a new universal belief that replaces transcendetal Abrahamic God, now an instrument of Indulgences and corrupt Popes who poop in their own beds : you create an alternative idea of faith, hope and charity : Humanist Culture and Free will;  to do like Erasmus, Gallileo and all the others. You take away their Godlike, self proclaimed fire and transform it into secular Inquiry and the scientific process; that does not exclude the quest for spirituality but DOES exclude Dogma and instrumentalisation of ideology; from wherever it comes!

These guys live in Ideology; they have even invented a new God : the golden calf of the Greenback; and its short term prophecy of maximising profit. Oh the bonfire of derivatives levitation into materialist Nirvana! The contrary to holisitc belief in a more complex human reality of trade-offs that the energy/ecology conundrum is revealing to this careening world, heading for the wall of lamentations  as in Biblical times, like a mad moth flitting around the burning light bulb, instrument of its own destruction.

No way you can convince people who deny the reality of what their own values have conceived; denatured monetary Frankenstein, product of insane hubris, the venemous fruit of current Oligarchy ideology; running like hell away from the approaching tsunami.

You sow what you reap. And constitutionalism is not a ONE WAY street to support the second amendment blindly, out of current context and in the current weaponised reality of MIC domination of the world planet. Guns n Gold; land of illusion. 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 08:55 | 3143762 Random
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Michael Angelo?!! Is this the same guy as Michelangelo Buonarroti or is it some guy in Little Italy? 2nd. Humanists didn't game MAN free will, God did, humanists took that away; 3rd. dogmatic christians HATED the greek traditions - are you fucking retarded, the church is based (philosophically, - retarded in itself since if you preach salvation from God YOU DO NOT NEED VALIDATION VIA PHILOSOPHY) on Plato or Aristotle;

There are other idiocies in your post but I will not bother to address them. Go back to thinking and come back in a while.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:44 | 3141679 Pseudo Anonym
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pfft, constitution.  treasonous document.

http://tinyurl.com/dfztye

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:23 | 3141864 tip e. canoe
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"I look upon the Constitution as the most fatal plan that could be possibly be conceived to enslave a free people"

 - Patrick Henry (Speech to the Virginia ratifying assembly 1788)

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:15 | 3142148 Cathartes Aura
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yes, bravo to you both - let's start diggin' deep!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:50 | 3142320 Pseudo Anonym
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this is the key quote from that essay:

The best the people belatedly received was the Bill of Rights drafted in 1791. It was expressly created to protect people against potential abuses of the ill-received Constitution.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 20:25 | 3142822 Intoxicologist
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Wow, mind blowing!  I always wondered why Hamilton and Franklin were on FRN's, as they were not presidents. 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 20:56 | 3142881 tip e. canoe
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bingo.    now wrap your brain around AJax on the $20 FRN.   talk about a mindfuck...   not to mention McKinley on $500 and Grover Cleveland on $1k note.   (also always wondered about the significance of Abe on the $5 vs. USGrant on the $50)

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:46 | 3141684 lolmao500
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Well gun owners are saying FUCK YOU to statists...

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/panic-one-million-ar-15...

One Million AR-15 Magazines On Backorder

And from a commenter on the article... he says he works there and they really are backlogged for FOUR MILLION magazines.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:57 | 3141736 lemonobrien
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you know, this could all be drama (theater) to get people to buy guns/ammo/etc.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:46 | 3141685 israhole
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Where Does The Hatred Of Constitutionalism Come From?

The same place gun control, globalization, and our endless wars come from, the Jew World Order.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:49 | 3141702 orangegeek
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Like a ticking time bomb. 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:49 | 3141705 Northeaster
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Apparently some don't read The NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constituti...

This is how "the other side" thinks, and it's being believed. As long as the MSM can control what we see and hear, we will always be outnumbered.

Interesting that the piece comes from a Jew Constitutional Law instructor, or maybe not.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:51 | 3141710 FieldofScreams1221
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There is a one word answer for all that is wrong with the world.  It is the word which is censored and never spoken:  JEWS

Jews did 911 and all world wars and depressions.

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:55 | 3142037 Rapada
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Idiot

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:56 | 3142044 zerotohero
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fuck off and go back to your conspiracy websites

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:55 | 3141715 TrumpXVI
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Brandon Smith's analysis falls a little bit short.

Anti-Constitutionalism and the attack against individual liberty is not the simple product of people of limited intelligence and inferiority complexes.  There is a solid philosophical legacy of anti-individualist argument that can traced to Hegel and Marx.  In the minds of many, these ideas are every bit as powerful and valid as the ideas of John Locke, Hume, etc.

My point being, that this is a conflict between philiosophies with deep ideological and philosophical roots.  Trivializing the expertise of the opposition instead of taking on their core philosophy is a disservice to our own side.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:19 | 3141843 AnAnonymous
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When you are able to write a document starting with a statement on freedom as an unalienable human right and that in the following, you manage to write over a dozen clauses to warrant that slavery is possible, you absolutely need no one to assault the idea of freedom.

Noone.

People interested in assaulting freedom will learn from you though.

Another great 'american' legacy to the world.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 20:35 | 3142696 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You've conflated The Declaration of Independence with The US Constitution. They are not the same document. Back to Americanism 101, grasshopper.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 22:13 | 3143161 Clark Bent
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I don't buy it, Hegel is unread by everyone and silly to boot. Marx is laughably insane and a mere figleaf for the self-loathing. This nonsense really gets down to how can you eliminate God from the equation of Western Civilization? Hitler was on this approach as well. Guess what? Turns out that the alternative keeps coming up dictators making themselves god and then inflicting their every psychological indiosyncracy as holy writ. They start to buy into their own hype and are unable to distinguish personal cupidity and downright psychopathology from "the unerring voice." The collectivist, where not simply a charlatan like Lenin, is, in the modern world anyway, merely a self-loathing insect trying to create the new redemption without the uncomfotable scrutiny of the Creator. It doesn't work. Their passion is not in ideas, but from keeping from facing the existential question of creation; how does the created live if it denies the Creator? How can the impotent conceal his own impotence? In torrents of blood usually.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:55 | 3141726 lolmao500
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Update from Feinstein office about her bill...

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.ca/2013/01/a-little-inside-glimps...

* KSG--as already mentioned, Banned.

* M1 Garand is probably Safe.

(MBV Note: I'm not so sure since the Garand has a bayonet lug.)

* M1A/M14--Banned.

* Mini-14--Banned.

* M1 Carbine--Banned (hopefully this will upset some Fudds and older vets/collectors).

Read the whole thing, it's quite scary... and it'll lead to a lot of dead people if it passes.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:32 | 3141920 GCT
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LOL this is a side show to be honest.  The real deal will be coming from the biden group.  Feinstein's bill is dead and will never pass.  Yes it is indeed scary but even California liberal are not for her bill.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 18:57 | 3142580 Cathartes Aura
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consider that all "bills" are put forward to gauge the temperature of the peoples, and they rarely, if ever, go away - they just get punted down the line, a few words tweaked here and there, re-label'd or stuck into a "different" bill as pork, or whatever.

we all need to acknowledge this if we're going to be truly vigilant.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 20:13 | 3142780 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Yep. Congress supposedly voted away Total Information Awareness almost ten years ago but the new NSA data site is opening in Utah this fall anyway.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:57 | 3141739 Stares straight...
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We have been on the losing side so long now, I have a grim premonition our line in the sand will be a gutter filled with our blood.  I will stand there, though, with anyone who will join me, but I wonder how do I get my young daughters out of the way?

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 18:59 | 3142586 Cathartes Aura
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the first thing I would recommend is un-register them from the State schooling.

with a full awareness of why you'd do that, I'm sure more ideas to protect them will arise naturally.

take care (of them).

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:01 | 3141750 dexter_morgan
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A whole lot of words to describe the simple fact that the Constitution was written to LIMIT federal powers by a group of men who had witnessed and studied the abuses of centralized power. Therefore, in an era, which started at least with Lincoln, and undoubtably earlier, the people in power and wanting more power to control and micro-manage people began realizing the Constitution represented a major stumbling block to that unfettered power they desired. Therein started the hatred of, and plans to incrementally neuter, the Consitution.

Pretty much as simple as that. Assholes wanting unfettered power and control are going to hate anything that limits that desire.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:05 | 3141776 Spastica Rex
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In general, all fruits of the Enlightenment are dismissed, disparaged, and nearly obsolete.

This is necessary for a return to a feudal world ruled by kings and popes.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:10 | 3141785 drivenZ
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"The freedoms put forth in the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights are SET IN STONE"

 

Actually, they aren't. Which is why they allowed amendments.

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 21:22 | 3142998 Tall Tom
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Have you read the Ninth Amendment which States the the Enumeration of the Amendments shall not be construed as to negate one over another?

 

The Nineteenth Amentment is still Law. Prohibition was not nullified by the Twenty First Amendment.

 

But the Supremes do not follow the document. To nullify any Amendment requires that of a Constitutional Convention.

 

Today the Constitution is a sham. Both Bush and Obama have seen to that. We live in a Kleptocratic Corporatist state.

 

I do not agree with this. But it is the sad reality.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:07 | 3141787 q99x2
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It comes from alternative lifestyles.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:08 | 3141793 Spastica Rex
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I knew teh gays were to blame.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:45 | 3141983 Ghordius
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I heard they cause storms

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:11 | 3141802 electricgorilla
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Why do people always reference the constitution. I thought that was long gone. Maritime law bitchezzz!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:12 | 3141814 illyia
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You know there is an awful lot of propaganda on both sides. The bottom line is that people are lazy and market-savvy politico/corporate advertisers/special interests have exploited that fact. Even the educated and fully invested do not want to think very hard: They want their conclusions handed to them. And, just like grade school, they want to be "in" with the "in" crowd.

Maybe we will become some socialist state - or maybe we are now. But the reasons have more to do with marketing and P/L than any single aim. There are oligarch-wantabees wanting to seize power who are likely behind most all of this. There always are. Just that the reason people are so lethargic regarding their loss of liberty is because they are mentally lazy and socially insecure.

That's the whole ball of $#!^.

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:17 | 3141837 Spastica Rex
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People aren't "educated," they're trained and certified. Look up the origin of the terms "liberal" and "liberal education." Sit down first.

Education was another one of those fruits of the Enlightenment that's gone bad.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:47 | 3141992 Ghordius
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+1 also the correct use of the term "illiberal", pls

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:51 | 3142016 falak pema
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lol, you want to throw the baby with the bath water! 

Stick to greek values, don't buy the current debasement of those original irrefutable foundations of our civilisation.

But you are right in a way : man can instrumentalise anything to become its exact opposite!

Education is, will be, was, the process of enquiry; never the fallacy of head nodding repetition of current universal truth; whatever form this Dogma takes even in Ivy League mediocre, delusional conformity of MBA pseudo logic.

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:07 | 3142105 Ghordius
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the master-apprentice models comes to mind

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:19 | 3142174 Spastica Rex
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Yes. When I used the term "trained" above, I was using it loosely.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:13 | 3141819 SmallerGovNow2
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Awesome Brandon Smith!!!

You nailed it...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 22:01 | 3143117 Tall Tom
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Brandon's post was shallow. He believes wrongfully that ONLY the weak minded will buy into Anti-Costitutionalism because of the fact that they are weak minded. That is true that the weak minded want to abolish the Constitution. But there are also those that are weak minded that support the Constitution.

 

Just because the weak minded supporters of Constitution ARE CORRECT does not mean that they have anymore understanding about supporting the Constitution than the weak minded Anti Constitutionalists have understanding about the reasons for supporting the abolishment of the Constitution.

 

The weak minded people who support the Constitution just made a lucky guess, just have an opinion which they cannot defend, or have a blind faith.

We need them. I am not knocking them. But they are weak minded.

Here is a case in point...The Trillion Dollar Coin. If that coin is struck then we will have a Hyperinflationary event. The reasons for this I can point out in a very logical and presentable format. Many on this forum know what Foreign Bankers will do if that Coin is struck. There have been numerous people on this forum who know the "unforseen" consequences of such an egregarious action. Of course most of this community understand something about finances and the economic implications of imprudent financing. I am writing to an "educated" crowd. I am "Singing to the chiror."

 

Not only that but I am "Singing to the chiror" when it comes to my support of the US Constitution. Yet I digressed...

 

However I read a post on Yahoo which states that Hyperinflation will be the result of striking the Trillion Dollar Coin. That is it. That is all the post stated. No more. No less. 

 

Now I agree with the post. So I state that I agree, give the guy a positive feedback, and challenge him to write reasons for the Hyperinflationary event. He did not reply.

 

But even worse some other bozo did reply and goes off on some wild imaginings about what would happen. While agreeing with the premise he had absolutely no clue as to why striking that coin was a bad thing to do. I attempted to teach him but he could not grasp it as he demonstrated on two occasions that his reading comprehension was deficient.

 

He makes the correct guess but is clueless as to the reasons. I am not knockiing him. We need him. But he is operating on Blind Faith. Nothing more...nothing less.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:16 | 3141829 AnAnonymous
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There are a number of reasons for this dangerous development in our culture: A public school system that rarely if ever teaches children about the revolution, the founders, constitutional liberty, or the virtues of individualism in general.
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Actually, that is the opposite. 'Americans' teach about their revolution and the rest.
It selects 'americans' from weed. If at the end of a training, one has not understood what 'americanism' is all about, one is a lost cause for any 'american' nation.

You know, the FF were those people who elaborated a document stating freedom as a unalienable human right and stuffed the same document with over a dozen clauses warranting the ownership of people providing labour or service.

The thing is: fabled past. 'Americans' know the Constitution,they know their history and they know what it is worth for.

'Americans' of today are just as 'americans' in 1777.

There is zero degeneration in 'Americanism'. It is today as it was in 1777, same tricks. Different inputs though.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 22:18 | 3143176 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Actually, that is the opposite. AnAnonymousitizens screech about their imagination and the rest.
It projects itself on 'americans' after smoking some weed. If at the end of a ranting, one has not stood on the Chinese citizenism roadside and dropped a Brown Baby Mao out the trouser leg bottom, one is a lost cause for any Chinese citizenism propagandation. Unless, of course, that road leads to a Peoples Liberation Opium Parlour.

You know, AnAnon is one of those people hypocritically elaborating on American slavery in 1777 and neglects the current ownership of people providing labour or service in Chinese citizenism countries.

The thing is: fabled present. AnAnonymous 'propagandans' know the situation, they rewrite history and they know what children as brickyard slaves is worth for (about 300 to 500 yuan each, including delivery).

Chinese citizenism citizens of today are no better than 'americans' in 1777.

There is shameful degeneracy in Chinese citizenism. It is today as it was in 1600 BC Shang Dynasty, same tricks. Different inputs though, because 8-year-old brickyard slaves don't always survive the torture or the wolfdogs that guard them.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:20 | 3141847 Walt D.
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Simple - the Constitution stipulates what the Federal Government can and can not do. This is an anathema to the President, the Democratic members of Congress and many Republican members, who believe that they should have a right to do anything they please, and that any restrictions represent an afront to their authority.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:14 | 3142140 mr. mirbach
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Correct! The Constitution is the contract with the people that (although trampled) enumerates the powers and duties of the Feral Gov't. AND THEN there is the Bill of Rights which further restricts gov't powers.

Most of the versions of the Constitution available today either in print or online DO NOT include the preamble to the Bill of Rights which states: “THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.”

To anyone that can read, this statement can only be interpreted to mean that the listed rights are outside of legislative jurisdiction.

In the Supreme Court Decision on US v Cruikshank was this ruling, “The right there specified is that of ‘bearing arms for a lawful purpose.’ This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second Amendment declares that it shall not be infringed: but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National [Federal] Government…”

Our CONgress needs more education along with all the other people that are ignorant to the meaning and intent of the Bill of Rights!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:21 | 3141848 rwe2late
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Where does it come from?

1) from the top, from politicians and corporate tycoons who believe the Constitution is "quaint", and a damn "scrap of paper" which too often stands in their way to power and wealth.

2) from the bottom, from those who are brainwashed by the MSM into being fearful and believing the Constitution stands in the way of their SAFETY.

Note the endless stream of television and Hollywood "entertainment" that portrays rights as making them "unsafe", and violations (usually by police) making them "safe".

search and seizure "only protects criminals"

habeas corpus and prohibiting torture "only protects terrorists"

free speech "only protects pornographers"

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:21 | 3141853 dexter_morgan
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BOYCOTT ALL CORPORATIONS THAT ARE DONATING TO THE INAUGURATION!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:22 | 3141854 WTFx10
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Heres the answer right out of the whores mouth for peirs morgan deportation.

 

 

When Discussing the Second Amendment, Keep the First in Mind Too

By Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary

Thank you for participating in We the People to speak out on an issue that matters to you.

Let’s not let arguments over the Constitution’s Second Amendment violate the spirit of its First. President Obama believes that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. However, the Constitution not only guarantees an individual right to bear arms, but also enshrines the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press -- fundamental principles that are essential to our democracy. Americans may disagree on matters of public policy and express those disagreements vigorously, but no one should be punished by the government simply because he or she expressed a view on the Second Amendment -- or any other matter of public concern.

We recognize that the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, sparked an intense, and at times emotional, national conversation about the steps we can take as a country to reduce gun violence. In fact, your petition is one of many on the issue, and President Obama personally responded by sharing his views on this important issue.

In a recent press conference, President Obama also addressed the Second Amendment and the important perspective that law-abiding gun owners bring to the public conversation on this issue:

Look, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. This country has a strong tradition of gun ownership that's been handed down from generation to generation. Obviously across the country there are regional differences. There are differences between how people feel in urban areas and rural areas. And the fact is the vast majority of gun owners in America are responsible -- they buy their guns legally and they use them safely, whether for hunting or sport shooting, collection or protection.

But you know what, I am also betting that the majority -- the vast majority -- of responsible, law-abiding gun owners would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from buying a weapon of war. I'm willing to bet that they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas -- that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to get his hands on a military-style assault rifle so easily; that in this age of technology, we should be able to check someone's criminal records before he or she can check out at a gun show; that if we work harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one in Newtown -- or any of the lesser-known tragedies that visit small towns and big cities all across America every day.

 



                     

 




 


 

 

Freedom of speech unless it goes against what we say?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:21 | 3141859 loveyajimbo
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Related news:  http://www.naturalnews.com/038616_john_noveske_mysterious_death_car_cras... Where are all the servicemen who swore to protect and defend the Constitution???

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:26 | 3141866 DollarDive
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Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it 
You print the dollars on the MTV 
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it 
Money for nothin' and your chicks for free 
Money for nothin' and chicks for free 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:23 | 3141867 “Rebellion to t...
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Hatred takes too much energy.  The answer lies somewhere between laziness and stupidity.  Most people simply do not give a shit.......

 

Until their own simple little life changes from staus quo to on the rocks.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 22:48 | 3143239 Tall Tom
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Hatred takes too much energy. I agree.

 

But Love gives energy. And when people love their country and their brother, well, that is the reason why some actually give a shit and have the energy to work to change it for the better.

 

Let us go back to our roots and support the Supreme Law of our Land. Are you with me? I am certain that many of you are.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:25 | 3141880 billsykes
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Is the constitution amendments in decending order? like if you made a to-do list, you put the most important stuff at the top?

To me the 2nd amendment is 2nd for reason of its importance and people are not freaking about striking off that one, what happens when they strike off the 1st one or the 13th one? 

My guess, is nothing- at best maybe a couple people will organize a smash and grab a couple HDTVs at the local best buy. 

Its better to just submit a refugee claim to china. 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:27 | 3141885 Sweet Pea
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I don't know how you can separate the Constitutional from the actual interpretations of same by the Supreme Court, which issue forth every year.   You can't pretend the original document *as amended* exists in a vacuum. You must also address all the relevant decisions of the Court beginning with Marbury.  That's what we're stuck with.

Not as much fun as looking at the doc itself in isolation.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:46 | 3141971 dwdollar
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The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, despite what "constitutional" lawyers at prIvy League schools may claim. There's a reason why it's called "The Constitution" and not something like "The Original Laws".

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:31 | 3141913 adr
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The sheeple mind wipe is going in full gear this year.

Check out a movie called, WHITE HOUSE DOWN. Channing Tatum (a secret service agent) is tasked with protecting Jamie Foxx (Mr. President) from a paramilitary group that takes over the White House.

Will it be muslim terrorists? Or will it be domestic terrorists that all look like Glenn Beck?

hmmmmm

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:55 | 3142039 billsykes
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OH wow I will have to pay and see that, and after that facebook all my friends and take a picture of me and the poster and send it to pintrest, but I will tweet everyone to scan their GPS co-ordinates to see if they are near me so we can go as a group. Everyone wants to go in groups and all see the same things and talk about the same things and dislike the same things because this is what real people do.

 

uh. fuck are the next 20+ yrs going to suck. : (

its like oppressive high school again, less the knife fights.

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:32 | 3141917 Shizzmoney
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Q: Where Does The Hatred Of Constitutionalism Come From?

A: Multinational Corporations. 

That's why the Congressman they bankroll, on both sides, continue to wipe their ass with the Constitution.

Goebbles, and the rest of his Nazi syndicate, hated capitalism (due to its nature of turnover; Goebbles was a staunch Monopoloist) and developed the arch-typical Fascist Corpratist model economy which we have lived in during the last 30+ years (you could argue longer since the Fed took over). 

Our lavish military spending, and WHERE that spending goes to, proves this.

The Nazis did well for six years, fueled, in part, by a massive re-armament and a conquering of Poland, France, and Northern Africa.  After 15 years, well......we all know the rest of the story.  

Franco's Spain, Pinochet's Chile - same models, different results.  Unlike the Nazis (who had big money behind them), they self-immolated quicker because not only is Fascism not a sustainable model for a society, it may be its least effective (in terms of time) because of its abrasive nature. 

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:33 | 3141923 BanjoDoug
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The HATRED comes from the edomite-zionists (i.e. today's elite Jews).....

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:33 | 3141926 TDoS
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Those of us who do not identify as White or Male are going to have problems pretending the US constitution is some sort of divine proclamation.

Also, those of us who are NOT STATISTS are not going to bow in reverance to a document which establishes a state.  

Calling yourself a lover of liberty, and then holding on high a document which outlines a hierarchical structure which grants a handful of men power over the rest of us is pretty contradictory.   

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:38 | 3141949 Shizzmoney
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Calling yourself a lover of liberty, and then holding on high a document which outlines a hierarchical structure which grants a handful of men power over the rest of us is pretty contradictory.

Never thought of this before, good point.

Yet again, America is a contradiction in itself, so in essense, the document defines it perfectly.

I guess people hang onto it because it feels as if it "protects" us.  Considering the times, I think we need more than relying on a piece of parchment to fix our issues.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:42 | 3141968 Mr. Hudson
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Not to mention that the original Constitution protected the white man's liberty and property rights, while allowing slavery to be legal, and denying rights to native Americans and women. That made the Constitution "a theme and contradiction".

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:49 | 3142005 AnAnonymous
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Nope. It simply defined what being an 'american' is and the associated behaviour.

People aiming at being duplicitous are not contradictory when they state publically an objective and strive to achieve another.
They are simply duplicitous.

And duplicitous, among other things, that is what 'Americans' are.

No contradiction.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:05 | 3142092 TDoS
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To be sure, one may aspire to something that is not yet an option -- for instance, supporting a break from fossil fuels while still owning a car -- and not be acting in a contradictory fashion.

I myself aspire to a better system of human organization.  Anything where the participants have a full say in their participation.  

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:53 | 3142332 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, accidentally self indicting, said:

People aiming at being duplicitous are not contradictory when they state publically an objective and strive to achieve another.
They are simply duplicitous.

Alas, alas, triple alas, this is the only consistency exhibited by AnAnonymous and his Chinese citizenism hobgoblinity.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 22:59 | 3143272 Tall Tom
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Duplicity is practiced around the World evenly and is not just restricted to Americans.

 

To suggest otherwise is merely being duplicitous, AnAnonymous.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 22:40 | 3143219 Clark Bent
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This is idiocy. Try reading the Constiution. It does not deny rights to native Americans and women. It is silent on slavery. The government it created was itself limited, it is not a statement of who is "privileged." God, the public education establishment! Slavery went about its merry way as a universal institution since mankind lived in tribes. Only the British and later the Americans in the nineteenth century came to the conclusion that slavery was immoral. It had never occurred to any other sovereignty since the dawn of man that such was the case. Then the Brits, later joined by the Americans, set about extingushing this immoral institution from not only their own nations, but around the globe. We fought a civl war in this country over the issue losing 600,000 lives. We spent enroumos blood and treasuer shutting down the African slave trade and defeating the Muslims who made slave capture and trafficking a major element of their civilizations. Imperialism was based in large part upon ending slavery globally. Have you never heard this? No wonder you have no idea what is being lost.  

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:20 | 3143314 Tall Tom
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While I agree with your sentiments it is not entirely accurate. Great Britain and the rest of the World abolished Slavery without engaging in a destructive Civil War. Yet the United States did go to War.

 

So if it is apparent that the Civil War was not fought over freeing slaves then what are the reasons behind it?

 

Another point which is not widely known is that in the Douglas-Lincoln Debates Lincoln adopted a Pro-Slavery Stance. Lincoln was a racist. His Emancipation Proclamation of 1863 only freed slaves South of the Mason Dixon Line. He made that Proclamation with the intent that Confederate Armies would be too distracted by hunting down escaped slaves instead of hunting down Union Armies. After the Civil War Lincoln had planned a mass deportation of the former slaves to establish a African Colony. Some of this actually happened and the country of Liberia is the evidence thereof. He was shot at Ford Theater on April 14, 1865 and expired before he could see the realization of his plan.

 

So it is evidential that Lincoln did not engage the Confederacy over slaves. That is the nonsense with which you were ENDOCTRINATED with in your Primary School experience. The problem is that it is a fiction.

 

The Civil War was a battle fought over the States' right to secede from the Union. It was fought in order to consolidate Federal Power over the States and usurped the powers of the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution.

 

So we are back to the very topic that began this discussion in the first place. And I will return to the second line of your thesis...Try reading the Constitution...This time think about the Tenth Amendment...States Rights. 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 08:17 | 3143715 Clark Bent
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Sorry, you are the one indoctrinated in the revisionist theorizing of civil war history that it was simply a state's rights issue. This nonsense started I think in the late eighties, and I suspect it was begun with an eye towards denigrating America and collapsing the rather more inspiring story that the civil war was fought to free the slaves and advance the project of fulfilling the nation's extraordinary promise. The revision, while still popular, especially to those who stopped reading after they finished their American History survey class in undergraduate school, is losing popularity. Consider this, if the war was begun becuase of state's rights, exactly which rights were at issue? Did they secede over tarriffs? Did they die in lines at Cold Harbor over a navigable waters issue? You see how silly the revision is. The central problem that resulted in a civil war emanated from the issue of slaveryand its intended expansion and retrenchment. And indeed most Americans, along with the rest of the world, belived that there were inherent differences between races. But that does not mean they did not recognize slaves as men, deserving of the same respect as other, European men. Lincoln was the opposite of an elitist.

Your description of the aim of the Emancipation Proclamation is risible. Lincoln, who possessed a great deal more respect for the union and its implicit and explicit promise to the rights of mankind, knew that he only had the power to free those slaves under states in rebellion. He could not abrogate (as Obama would surely have done) the rights of states still in the union. So he did what he could, and the aim was largely to make explicit what was formerly obscure; which is that the war was over whether the union devised by the Founders would fulfill its promise of equality (before the law, not of result, a socialist perversion), or be sundered or compromised. Read his Cooper's Union Speech for reference about why the Declaration of Independence was the seminal conceptual document of the union and not the more legalistic Constitution. 

Slavery is the central issue without which there would never have been secession, or civil war. Possibly, absent slavery, Lincoln would not have been elected (see again his fame as the contender against popular sovereignty in the Douglas debates and his Cooper's Union Speech) and the crisis and war would not have followed. Consider also the war's products were not a conclusion that states had no rights, but the thirteenth amendment, and later the fourteenth. Then also forty years of enforced Reconstruction. 

I do not take offense against Obama for the issue of state's rights, but because he has revealed himself as a true threat to my life and liberty. I would not contemplate death by resistance if he were overreaching on agricultural subsidies, but becuase his pattern of abuse demonstrates his aim of creating a perfect despotism in which we are all made slaves and the world loses the light of those Enlightenment ideals we have enjoyed as a species for more than 200 years. A country is not inspired to tragic conflict over technicalities over the rights of persons about whose moral value they are skeptical. They fight because they see they must or lose something irreplaceable.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:35 | 3141935 Mr. Hudson
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Politicians look at our Constitution the way taxpayers look at the taxcode. They both try to find "loopholes".

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:36 | 3141938 steelhead23
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Dear Lord, what I stack of poo.  I thought perhaps you would discuss sovereign coinage, or perhaps equal treatment under the law, or maybe, just maybe you would tackle the constitutionality of our Congress giving the U.S. President the authority to declare war, or the president's decision to kill fellow Americans without due process - all aspects of how the elite have corrupted our government (that is, violated the Constitution).  Instead, you present another thinly veiled diatribe against those socialist who would prefer to shop, watch a movie, or go to school without having to worry about which one of his/her fellow travelers is packing heat.  I'd be four-square for the Liberty movement if it weren't such an elitist organization.

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:46 | 3141987 Mr. Hudson
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One problem I have with the Liberty movement is that many in the movement worship the founding fathers. They idolize these men as if they were gods. They weren't. The founding fathers were opportunists just like everybody else; with warts and all.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:41 | 3143345 Tall Tom
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Did you forget about the Sexually Transmitted Diseases? Did you forget that Jefferson had affairs with his slaves? I disagree with your premise that many in the Liberty Movement idolize these men.

 

However flawed the Founders were, and I will agree that they were flawed, it is the principles that they espoused that we continue to aspire towards. Many of us know that we are imperfect, as imperfect as the Founders. But the principles which they espoused were revolutionary (pun intended) for the times and shaped a country unlike any other created before it.

 

Of course many of the people involved in today's movement are acting in self interest. Many do not care for collectivism. Those are Socialist ideas that many find repulsive. We know that Socialism is unsustainable and brings about misery and death as the end result. Let's see...Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, and many more which I can name murdered many millions of people in the name of promoting Socialism. Socialism is a scourge and an evil.

 

If you bring up the fact that the American Empire has murdered likewise I will agree as it is SOCIALIST today, far from that of which the Founders envisioned. Death and destruction are the results of SOCIALISM which is an abhorrent evil.

 

Just because the United States has strayed does not mean that we need to abandon our ideals for a good and just country. Liberty and Freedom are that which allows the goodness in people to be expressed and blossom. The entire theme of the New Testament is Freedom, Freedom from sin. That is what brings about the Love of God.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:38 | 3141943 dwdollar
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I still propose the Central States of America. I'm fine with it being the USA minus the left coast and northeast states and DC (degenerate collective). Even Illinois is okay as long as Chicago is made into some sort of exclusion zone.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:42 | 3141969 Ghordius
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and what would be your diplomatic policy vs the rest of the world?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:00 | 3142066 dwdollar
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That's up to the people, but I predict foreign policy will be less aggressive without the DC apparatus.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:52 | 3142021 Spastica Rex
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I support you 100%.

I live in the Pacific Northwest.

Live and let live.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:32 | 3143327 Cathartes Aura
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Cascadia!

(not to be confused with Jesusland vs the United States of Canada)

 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:20 | 3142181 negative rates
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You may soon live in the land of the farmer, as the coasts each separate and build their own infrustructure to compete with mother nature. 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:47 | 3143361 Tall Tom
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Land of the farmer? Do you knwo how much food the San Juaquin Valley of California produces? That is the land of the farmer.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:39 | 3141953 Fthecollective
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Only thing that scares me is that little nest in Utah.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 19:20 | 3142631 Yamaha
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Why nut sack? Utah is the only central state with a AAA rating and surplus. Maybe something to learn? Always in the black. You must be from Californication.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:39 | 3143342 Cathartes Aura
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disproportionate rate of pharma-mind-meds combined with massive new Spy Center, that would be on my short list. . .

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:51 | 3143369 Tall Tom
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The gist was a future where the United States dissolved. The new Spy Center would be irrelevant in that scenario. As for the psych meds I have not a clue.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:39 | 3141954 JR
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One of the most critical evidences in the changing attitude toward the US Constitution is the 1965 US Immigration Act.  The Act’s primary purpose was to switch immigration opportunities from European countries to Third World countries such as Mexico.

This stopped emphasis on immigration quotas involving persons with skills and other potential advantages to the United States as opposed to individuals who would be much less educated, have poor language skills and bring a substantially different culture into the country.

The purpose was to deliberately change the racial makeup of the US, to provide large US employers with cheaper and cheaper labor at the expense of Americans, and to help dissolve middle class American families and groups who would be opponents to a banker-controlled nation deliberately seeking to reduce their advantage.

Jewish activist Earl Raab proclaimed in the Jewish Bulletin in 1993 that America now has a pluralistic culture because of the 1965 Immigration Act used by Jewish political activists to “alter the ethnic composition of the United States.”

Raab argued that the Jewish community took the leadership role in changing "the Northwestern European bias of American immigration policy," thus, inhibiting anti-Semitism by “increasing ethnic heterogeneity” in America to make “it even more difficult for a political party or mass movement of bigotry to develop.”

It has been a successful campaign, culminating in the voting patterns of the 2012 election. The Census Bureau now reports that about half of the American population soon will be non-white.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:54 | 3142034 AnAnonymous
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It is funny how 'americans' work in pairs.

So here one 'american' claim that 'america' has a pluralistic culture (sic). And another 'american' rebounds on that to weave some alledged causes.

'Americans' enabling each other.

'America' has no pluralistic culture. 'America' has a monolithic culture.

'Americanism' is wonderful at diminishing diversity and striving for uniformity and conformity.

But as 'americans' know no other solution to any ailment of 'americanism' but even more 'americanism', no matter the level of uniformity and conformity they reach, it will simply not enough, already too much diverse and singular.

The magic(k) of 'americanism' at work.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 17:09 | 3142116 JR
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Truth is not magic. Truth is always there for those who want to find it.

Influential Neo-Conservatives Julian Simon and Ben Wattenberg both advocated very high levels of immigration from all parts of the world into the US so that, according to Wattenberg, the U.S. will become the world’s first “Universal Nation.”

S.M. Neuringer in 1969 notes in “American Jewry and United States Immigration Policy, 1881-1953, that:

“Jewish influence on immigration policy was facilitated by Jewish wealth, education, and social status. Reflecting its general disproportionate representation in makers of economic success and political influence, Jewish organizations have been able to have a vastly disproportionate effect on United States’ immigration policy because Jews as a group are highly organized, highly intelligent, and politically astute, and they were able to command a high level of financial, political, and intellectual resources in pursuing their political aims.”

D. A. Hollinger noted in 1996 in Science, Jews, and Secular Culture: Studies in mid-twentieth century American intellectual history that Jews were more influential in the decline of America’s homogeneous Protestant Christian culture than the Catholics because of Jewry’s greater wealth, social standing, and technical skill in the intellectual arena.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 22:43 | 3143225 Clark Bent
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Will you simply be quiet? Your posts are pure nonsense. Are yoiu speaking some sort of free verse? A code? No, wait, i don't even want to know.Now I've bored myself. 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:40 | 3141957 Stilicho
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Its kind of ironic that we've come full circle. The revolution for indpendence. The argument of Articles of Confederation vs. Constitution. Federalists who knew that the constitution provided the framework for everything which has happened.... the original 1776 patriot... our arguments and prophesies are all available to be reviewed in the so-called 'Antifederalist Papers'. The propaganda back then was relentless too... public opinion shaping in the form of mis-naming us to make us sound like we're anti something instead of 'pro-freedom'. We warned everyone, but we were silenced. The Constitution came to be. And there was a Civil War over slavery, just like we predicted, and it washed away the last of the Jeffersonianism. Everything since has been downhill and now here we are debating whether or not we need the Constitution. Ironic. Now, the same folks who backed the original Constitution and murdered us when we dared to defy the new central government on Whiskey Taxes, are back to restore complete despotism over America. We'd have been better off with the King of England than these two bit sophists who pass for 'national leaders' today. Oh, the irony. I'm choking on it.

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