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Chinese Military On "High Alert" After It Scrambles Fighter Jets To "Counter" Japanese Jets

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The one thing that most seem to forget in the epic 30 year old story (which has a very sad ending) that is the Japanese floundering economy, is that while the new Abe government may and will likely try everything to crush the Yen (which is already nearing the 90 USDJPY target, however briefly, before it resumes its grind lower once it dawns on investors what it will mean for the Japanese Treasury when bond yields soar), the main reason it has posted three massive monthly trade deficits in a row has nothing to do with its currency, and everything to do with what is now a permanent boycott of Japanese exports by China.

The paradox is that Abe, a well-known nationalist, may well crush the Yen but he will only aggravate Chinese tensions (thus hurting Japanese exports, GDP, and the current account even more) which recently approached boiling point on several occasions over the past few months, most notably in the spat over who owns the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands, and soon over other symbols of nationalist pride. And with the escalations coming faster and more frequent with each passing day, there is little room for optimism that despite all Japan is doing that its economy stands any hope of recovery in 2013 (or later).

In fact, the latest escalation in the seemingly neverending saga over a strategically located rock in the East China Sea, came hours ago, when Xinhua reported that Beijing has scrambled two J-10 jets to counter "Japanese military aircraft disrupting the routine patrols of Chinese administrative aircraft."

From Xinhua:

At a press conference, an official with the ministry confirmed that China sent two J-10 fighters to the East China Sea after a Y-8 aircraft was closely followed by two Japanese F-15 fighters as it patrolled the southwest airspace of the East China Sea oil platform on Thursday.

 

The two J-10 fighters were sent to monitor the Japanese fighter jets tailing the Y-8 as well as another Japanese reconnaissance plane spotted in the same airspace, the official said.

 

Furthermore, the official said Japanese military aircraft have been increasingly active in closely scouting Chinese aircraft. The activity zone of Japanese military aircraft has also expanded recently, which is the root cause of security disputes concerning territorial waters and airspace between the two countries.

 

The Chinese military will be on high alert and China will resolutely protect the security of its air defense force and uphold its legitimate rights, the official said.

Suddenly very real concerns over a flare up in military escalations aside, it doesn't look like anyone is ready to back down in what is becoming an ever more heated and rancorous expression of nationalist pride, and it certainly does not appear likely that China will lift its "blockade" on Japanese imports any time soon.

As to how China continues to see what is going on in Japan, we go to another Op-Ed from China Daily printed earlier today, titled "Unwise foreign policy turns Japan into own enemy" and this time even the Chinese propaganda is 100% accurate:

The Japanese economy, under the burden of years of deflation and an aging population, has been the "Patient of Asia" for the last two decades.

 

The Japanese people can cite many reasons for their economic malaise, from bad government policies that led to the forming and bursting of a giant economic bubble in late 1980s and early 1990s to cumbersome mega companies that have been losing money and shedding jobs due to increasing global competition.

 

More recently, the Japanese economy has suffered another blow due to a bitter row with China, a crucial trade and investment partner, ignited by Tokyo's repeated provocations over the Diaoyu Islands, an integral part of Chinese territory.

 

Yet new Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe turned the facts upside down when he claimed Friday that China has deliberately targeted Japanese companies as part of a strategy to confront Japan over the territorial dispute.

 

It is true that economic ties between China and Japan have chilled considerably since former Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's cabinet decided to "buy" part of the Diaoyu Islands in September despite strong Chinese opposition.

 

The outcome is nothing but natural, as good economic relations are always based on sound political ties. It is naive to believe that Japan can maintain strong trade and investment ties with China while repeatedly provoking China on critical issues.

 

In addition, the pinch felt by Japanese companies results largely from an across-the-board boycott of Japanese goods spontaneously staged by Chinese consumers who felt betrayed by the bellicose Japanese government. The Chinese government has nothing to do with this.

 

Japanese politicians, including Abe, have only themselves to blame, because their brinkmanship is the root cause of the deterioration of China-Japan economic ties.

 

They have also been stoking fears about the so-called "China threat" in the broader Asia-Pacific region and trying to build a coalition of countries against China.

 

For many in China, Abe's latest remarks are just part of an attempt by the Japanese government to depict China as the villain and gain an upper hand in the territorial dispute.

 

But Tokyo is doomed to lose the gamble, as more and more countries have come to realize that China acts responsibly in the international arena and its development is a real blessing for the whole world.

 

Meanwhile, Japan has raised concerns in capitals worldwide that its increasingly hawkish policy toward China will further escalate the situation and pose a serious risk to regional peace and stability.

 

For Japan, its fragile economy is in urgent need of the opportunities a sound China-Japan relationship brings, but Japan's unwise foreign policy has made these opportunities harder to come by.

 

Thus it is of pressing importance that Abe immediately arrest his country's self-destructive tendency and put its foreign relations and economic recovery back on track so as not to waste his second chance at the top.

Bottom line: don't bet so fast on anything remotely resembling inflation or GDP growth in Japan yet. In fact, it may be time to take advantatge of the recent euphoria and to double down on red.

 


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Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:14 | Link to Comment mcl2177
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Is this the war Kyle Bass was talking about in his presentation last December.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment S5936
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BINGO !!! ...Earl

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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So,

the Asian "pivot" is to have (still-occupied) Japan as the attack dog in the Pacific.

The US has long been pressuring Japan to drop Japan's anti-war Constitution and re-arm (with lots of US made weaponry).

What could go wrong?

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment yogibear
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But, but, but China is our friend acording to Wall Street.

Of course Wall Street would sell their mother to a pimp for the right price.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment knukles
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Quick!
Leadership

Take a side!

Make a fucking decision
No equivocating allowed.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Highest debt/GDP of any major world economy, nation full of old men, and Japan goes and pokes a big bear with a short stick? 

Goose, this is Maverick.... I'm punchin' out!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:33 | Link to Comment Matt
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Insert some wise saying about people with nothing left to lose ...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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While this...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-11/china-dec-inflation-2-5-exceedi...

China’s Inflation Accelerates as Chill Boosts Food Prices

I'm sure all a coincidence...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment zendome
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Rattle, meet saber.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:18 | Link to Comment booboo
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Gentlemen, place your bets, Sushi or Kentucky Fried Something or Other.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Mr. Hudson
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It's "karate vs. kung-fu".

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:04 | Link to Comment djcando
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I think this puts the whole issue into perspective   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWXINqfcX0o&feature=related

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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So US jets flown by Japanese get tried out against Russian jets modified by Chinese.......at least unlike the Korean War the Chinese fly their own aircraft this time and don't use Soviet pilots

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment trav777
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if you think that's a russian-made jet copy in the pic or that the J10 is, then you are both a) totally ignorant of jets and b) too stupid to do enough research to prevent (a)

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment optimator
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But notice how the J-10 looks almost like a copy of the Lavi (Lion) we engineered for Israel?  I use a screen wallpaper of the J-20, if looks could kill!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:07 | Link to Comment flapdoodle
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More like Russian engines covered with Chinese fuselages. China makes crappy engines (whether jet, motorcycle or SUV) - any serious Chinese plane sports Russian-made engines.

I don't know what kind of small turbines they put in drones but building those is an art as well, which I doubt the Chinese have mastered.

Until they do, not to worry. After they do, well, worry.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:08 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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bet they still nick the electronics out of the cockpit tho,

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment yogibear
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The Chinese are so close to the US that they have supersonic missles designed to successfully destroy US aircraft carriers.

Wall Street build up China and provided funding for their military.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment knukles
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Oh, just fond memories of the Clinton technology transfers to the Chinks in exchange for campaign contributions...

 

(what the fuck, it's all Bush's fault, anyway)

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Huang way money transfers.

"You can't go wrong with Huang".

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:23 | Link to Comment the 300000000th...
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Bullish

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Mi Naem
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About the current financial market circus and fiat currency scams, Kyle Bass said it best: "Historically, we all know how this ends - in war."  (slight paraphrase) 

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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As mentioned elsewhere there is plenty of credible evidence that Japan has an arsenal of tactical and strategic nukes almost fully assembled - just below the treaty threshold that says they can't have nukes. But all it will take is a few hours of final assembly and they will be fully armed with nukes. Banzai!

And just about now would be a great time for China's BFF North Korea to carry out another series of long range ballistic missile tests, don't cha think?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Like someone else pointed out; doomsday weapons aren't much of a deterrent if they are kept secret.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:42 | Link to Comment Matt
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Well, there is secret as in no one knows, and there is secret, like Israel's nukes, which is a known secret.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Or a nuke test, for the lulz.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Mr. Hudson
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Interesting dilemma building up here. If Japan and China go at it, America has an obligation to fight and defend Japan. We will then be at war with China. But Israel does not want us tangled up in conflict in Asia because we are supposed to go to war with Iran. And, we have the threat of war building between two nuclear powers: Pakistan and India. India is our ally, and we give billions in aid to Pakistan. What will America do?

“Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive!”

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Get all your pieces built up on YAKUSTK & invade IRKUSTK... Go for it Ghengis Khan!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Matt
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Iran and China are on the same side, so open up two fronts. Since Iraq and Afghanistan are already there, those fronts can just be merged into a single front, and the Pacific becomes the second front. That is the core of American doctrine, to be able to fight two fronts. 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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I know.. a draft and martial law!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment knukles
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And ship all the confiscated guns to Mexico

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 21:11 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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M.r Hudson

Russians have and are selling Su37 fighters and helicopters to India. Also Putin signed a long term cooperation with India.

Pakis are our friends, as are Indian, Chinese, and Japanese. Everything is going to be fine.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:36 | Link to Comment monad
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Just give us more money and we will be able top avert this bogus crisis. Give us money bitchez!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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that China acts responsibly in the international arena and its development is a real blessing for the whole world.
_____________________________

The 'americans' are in the house.

What a good 'american' speech.

The rise of 'americans' in China will bring what it has elsewhere...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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Where's AKAK when I need him? Ananon has popped up at least flee times today! Easy pickens! cHinEse nationalism at it's best. cHinEse military exist to steal property of others. Only problem is, there's a chink in their armor! African nations will soon realize that cHina only there to steal resources and take. cHina does nothing out of altruism, only greed. Altruism not even a word in cHinEse dictionary.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:06 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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"A nation has no permanent enemies and no permanent friends, only permanent interests."   Winston Churchill

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Shih-tzu Big Macs?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:20 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

The rise of 'americans' in China will bring what it has elsewhere...

Indoor plumbing and flush toilets?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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China has been training for war in the last few months...

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20121220.aspx

China Trains To Surge

China has begun training its air force squadrons to carry out high intensity operations on airports or air bases with two runways and supporting multiple types of aircraft while doing so. This is a critical capability for “surge” operations, in which aircraft carry out the maximum number of sorties for a day or so. This is the kind of capability that gives Western air forces a big advantage.

When a squadron goes into surge mode it can mean round the clock operations (as F-16s can operate day and night because of their night vision sensors) that can result in individual aircraft flying half a dozen or more sorties.

China has also been making strides in recruiting higher quality recruits to be maintainers and upgrading logistics systems so that the maintainers don’t run short of fuel, spare parts, and other essential supplies. China also has lots of modern aircraft that can surge and carry out the kind of surge efforts Western air forces train for and carry out in wartime. Most Western aircraft can fly three or more sorties per day for two or three days and one or two per day indefinitely, as long as the spare parts and ground crews hold out. Western air forces practice high sortie surge tactics far more than less affluent nations. China now has more money, and they are spending it to move maintainers from several squadrons to a base and have them practice generating a lot of sorties quickly on dual runway airports. That’s how you win wars.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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Battle of Britain.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 00:38 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"China has been training for war in the last few months..."

 

Luckily for them, every other military on the planet is training for peace.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment reader2010
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China is the ultimate papar tigher. If you take a close look at their military structure, you won't be surpised to find out that rampant corruption has deeply infected to its core. 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Ya think? The whole Chinese society is corrupt to the bone. 5000 years of tyranny will do that...

Still corruption doesn't mean their jets can't fly or their bullets kill you or that their nukes won't go off.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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And the shift to 'americanism' will solve corruption in just one second as behaviour that were perceived as corrupted the second before will have turned the normalcy.

The 'american' miracle.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 00:50 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"And the shift to 'americanism' will solve corruption in just one second as behaviour that were perceived as corrupted the second before will have turned the normalcy."

Well, no.   You'd need the rule of law and a century or more of applying it first.   Making it up as you go isn't as effective, since you can't even define corruption at that point.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 07:06 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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Ever heard of the $400 toilet seats at the Pentagon?

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 11:11 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ever heard of the $400 toilet seats at the Pentagon?

Ah, ah, good example for the comparings with. Do contrast now waste fullness inefficient of 'american' pentagonism with effectivary efficient of Chinese citizenism.

Ever the hearings of 400 yuan roadside? Observate Chinese citizenism for the mother intercoursing win.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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i can never tell the little fuckers apart

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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Brack Swan approaching.....

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment ZeroAvatar
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This ain't no brack swan, this is the talking magpies 'Heckle and Jeckle'.  The U.S. is 'Woody Woodpecker'. 

 

No one knows where the Brack Swan is lurking.  After it's appearance, keep a lookout  for the Phoenix, 'cause THERE WILL BE ASHES!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Smuckers
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Sweep the leg.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment jubber
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...and Gold falls $20

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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seems the paki's and india could benefit with china and japan going at it..all sorts of possiblities, or how about a news mogul sending in his stealth ship to sink a china sampan..all is not as it seems all too often these days..china needs war in a slowing economy anyway and japan does as well. humanity never lets an evil event go by.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Lin S
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China has the numbers, but their technology isn't on par with Japan's.  Also, the Japanese military is far more professional than China's, whose officer corps is selected on the basis of their commitment to the CCP over their skill set.

At sea, Japan OWNS China.  The Japanese are outstanding warriors at sea and have been for well over a century, if not longer.

It's a tough call but my money is on Japan if the missiles start to fly. 

I could always be wrong, however.

 

 

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment optimator
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Those Red Chinese J-10 beat anything the Japanese have, may even beat the Japanese F-15.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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Assuming the j10 engines don't fall off midflight... China not exactly known for high quality hardware...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment Lin S
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+ 1.

This.

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Well that's why Russia is providing them the engines... China can't build engines worth a shiat.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Lin S
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Disagree.

J-10 is unproven, F-15's track record is very well-known: 101 A2A kills, 0 losses.

Also, communist flight training leaves a LOT to be desired due to lack of quality, lack of autonomy, and an emphasis on top-down control.  And, Modern China has no experience fighting and winning a major, regional war with anyone, anywhere.  Not in the air, and not at sea.

Moreover, Chinese communism does not foster the Warrior Spirit, it crushes it; Japan has maintained an awareness of, and placed an emphasis on, the Bushido Code that has persevered even after defeat in WWII, 67 years ago.

Also unknown is whether Chinese pilots will fight, or simply defect to Taiwan.  If things go hot, Japan will use its formidable sea power to effect.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:43 | Link to Comment optimator
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Ha!  98% of those F-15 air-to-air kills are IAF kills.  And as most of us know Israel has never lost an aircraft A2A despite those pesty Arab gun camera films!  As for ground to air kills, you know why the IAF put those extensions on jet tail pipes!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Lin S
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You don't seem to know much about military-technical hardware or history at all.

That, or you're an apologist for China. 

Maybe both.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:02 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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You're confusing the -15/-16 airframes, J10 is for use against taiwan f-16 copies not f-15's.

Israel use a strike version of the f-15 not the air superiority version which japan uses.

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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 Lost in all this is that it is another example of US deceit and meddling.

 The Diaoyu Islands were occupied by the US after WW2, and were supposed to be returned to China (because they had been militarily seized by Japan).

However, the US did not do that (supposedly because China was "red") and instead eventually handed the islands over to Japan.

(On a somewhat related note, we might point out that the US used Japanese troops to suppress Vietnamese resistance at the end of WW2 until the French could re-occupy "their colony".)

Anyone who thinks Japan is confronting China without urging from the US is mistaken. The US government wants Japan to re-arm with US weapons.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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A puppeteer pulls strings and gang trustees obey their ganglord.

Such is the 'american' world.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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A Chinese Citizenism Communautist puppeteer from the Ministry of Truth pulls strings and 'propagandan' AnAnonymous begins to dance.

Such is the Chinese citizenism world.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 00:55 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"A Chinese Citizenism Communautist puppeteer from the Ministry of Truth pulls strings and 'propagandan' AnAnonymous begins to dance."

Well, we have a long tradition of state legislators getting their idiot nephews jobs working the toll boths on interstate highways.   They set their idiot nephews in front of the interwebs.   Same thing.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment akak
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A pooppeteer pulls down his pants on the side of the road and hanging crusties obey the call of the stankhoard.

Such is the Chinese shitizenism world.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment suteibu
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A proxy...er...patsy war which achieves US goals without committing the US.  It will not honor its treaty with Japan over these islands.  This tension solves the problem the US faces in Okinawa over the bases, ramps up weapons sales in Asia, and moves more nations into the US umbrella.  It also takes the Chinese eyes off of Iran.  As for oil around the islands, US oil companies are simply waiting to see the sovereignty issue resolved, not concerned in the least which nation wins.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment tawse57
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You Americans really need to stop having websites that tell the world, and potential enemies, where your carriers are, whether they are working or are being repaired, etc.

Interesting how the Chinese wait to do this until all but one US carriers are back in their home ports.

In WW2 do you think MacArthur would have twittered Tojo and Yamamoto where allied forces in the Pacific were, or Eisenhower sending an instagram of D-Day plans to Von Rundsedt?

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Zymurguy
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Well, if you put a pin on the map where a carrier is you'd have to put about 30 more pins miles away from it in a perimeter as part of the "carrier group" who work in coordination with the carrier and mutually defend each other.

It would be TERRIBLY difficutl to directly assault one of our aircraft carriers.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment tawse57
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You mean like that Chinese sub that surfaced right next to the Nimitz off Hawaii a few years back?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment earnyermoney
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I'll bet that sub was tracked all the way back to China.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Any decent chinese skipper would swap his and his crews lives to destroy a CVN, have you never heard of torps with a tac nuke? an old set-65 could handle the payload, then who is to say whether it was the chinese or a reactor malfunction that sunk the CVN.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 18:13 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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During numerous NATO Wargames, the UK RN seemed to have no problems in doing just that, on numerous occasions too . . . . . .

Also note that the UK and Russia were developing / have developed vertical launch torpedo pallets designed for long term (decades) "placement" on the seabed at navigational "pinch points". In time of war, launch is triggered in response to sonar i.d. of a target (engine and propeller sonar signature); launch to impact is measured in seconds, and seeing as the projectile is heading near-vertically the opportunity for threat i.d. via traditional side scanning sonar is reduced.

The problem with big, expensive ships is they are also big, expensive targets. You may have 130 support vessels, but without the carrier your air superiority has gone, and believe me the carrier WILL be the first target hit (and sunk)

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Tao 4 the Show
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Maps like those from Stratfor are just old news for unimportant players. Do you imagine for a moment that all major military players don't know where major naval assets are located? Get a life, mon. Satellites tell all, and even private companies run them. MacArthur lived in a different age. Not relevant now.

And BTW, releases like from Stratfor are most likely for intended effect with news organizations and other players to be manipulated.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment tawse57
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You took my McArthur twitter joke seriously? How cute.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Elmer Fudd
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Those disputed islands were taken by Japan when they were in imperialist mode against a weak Chinese dynasty.  So do those claims stand or not? But since its about oil now its doubtful anyone is going to back down. 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The ultimate land grabbers in the world decided it holds.

Land grabbers can oppose other land grabbers but never on the ground of opposing land grabbing.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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Anon would know a land glabba when she see one... cHinEse want to steal whole worll...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, Chinese citizenism talking mouth, said:

The ultimate land grabbers in the world decided it holds.

Nope. The Mongolians have not issued opinion on the mattering bits of those islands downthere.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Jaw-jaw is better than war-war.

 

PS,

Tibet is ethnically, culturally and geographically a seperate nation, yet china claims it?

On 10th September 2001 china sent five squadrons of attack planes to bomb targets in NW china, they bombed their own people while the world was looking the other way.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment topspinslicer
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Good times a rollin' !!!! Let's get barbaric baby!!!! If they don't be careful someone is bound to shoot an eye out

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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J-10 = F-16, cost 50% less per aircraft!

Israel gives up technology?

http://www.wareye.com/china-got-the-secrets-of-u-s-f16-fighter-and-j-10c...

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/j10.asp

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pak-to-buy-14-chinese-fighter-jets-114...

Ps. Pakistan is a great ally of China-- it was through the Pakistani's that China began trade with the U.S. [Nixon/ Kissinger]

Ps2.  India will now by Russian fighter jets to offset Pakistani purchase. [Russia is a strong ally of India]

Ps3.  Where does this leave America's MIC's Flight Industry when China now can turn out same quality and quantity for less than half the cost.

Ps4. China, in 5 yrs. or less, will have more nuclear armed submarines than Russia or the United States... far superior in 'state-of-the-art' technology.

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment earnyermoney
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Riiight.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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India has a 7-1 superiority in quantity and has better quality planes, The SU-MKI wipes the floor with any PAF aircraft

India buys kits that are assembled/reverse engineered in india, especially the engines.

China's 4th and 5th gen are designed to be used against USAF planes not russians.

Chinese Kilo Copycat got within 5NM of a US carrier, SSN's give them a blue/deep water capbability.

When the chinese send some SU' squadrons up to patrol then its getting serious.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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most dishonarable

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/08/china-japan-drone-race Japan and China step up drone race as tension builds over disputed islands

Both countries claim drones will be used for surveillance, but experts warn of future skirmishes in region's airspace

http://www.businessinsider.com/china-fighter-jet-flights-diaoyu-senkaku-...

China Warns Citizens To 'Prepare For The Worst' As It Sends Fighters To East China Sea Very bullish.
Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:32 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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While in Syria... shit just hit the fan...

A military convoy was targeted in Damascus today, the convoy was with the Iranian ambassador in Damascus, it also included two Hezbollah members, two officers from the presidential palace and four Russian generals also.

Apparently they killed some Russian generals and the Iranian ambassador...

Al-Jazeera arabic is reporting it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt2RkamypdU

Now if it's true...

While this is happening :

http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20130111/178708840/Russian_Navy_Holds_Sy...

Russian Navy Holds Syria Exercises

Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and Baltic Fleets are to start exercises off the coast of Syria the Russian Defense Ministry said on Friday.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 01:01 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"A military convoy was targeted in Damascus today, the convoy was with the Iranian ambassador in Damascus, it also included two Hezbollah members, two officers from the presidential palace and four Russian generals also."

4 down, 871 to go.   They can spare a few.   When they run short they'll stop parading them through war zones.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 07:26 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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August 4th 2012 the 'rebels' killed the first Russian in Syria: General Vladimir Kojeve.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment e-recep
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beggar-thy-neighbour strategy. anglo-american empire will not go down silently. it will push everyone else deeper down the hole.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment ZFiNX
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Pretty sure the Japanese have kicked Chinese ass in every war they've fought against them.

Don't see any reason to think differently now.

And everyone thought the Middle East was going first : "When you are near, you must seem far" - Tzu

 

Has ANYONE one these boards read "The Grand Chessboard" , Zbigniew pretty much lays it out for all to see.

 

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Zymurguy
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The Japanese have always had an issue with the Chinese - look back in history and you'll see many conflicts with the Japanese brutally assaulting the Chinese in warfare.  I'm sure they still feel that they should have imperial rule over parts of China - I think it's in their blood.

Also, note another time in history where Japans economy was in shambles and they were being economically/financially blockaded by another big bully country - it drove the Japanese to carry out a huge surprise air assault on a major naval base of their adversary (know who that was?)

This is sounds like a very similar situation but this time it's China bullying them both financially/economicaly AND annoying them militarily.  Not good.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Chaos_Theory
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Yea, but late 1941 "bully" didn't have ICBMs.  The 2013 "bully" does and Japan doesn't. 

One nitpick at the overall article...China is acting responsibly on the world stage????? They're practically saying if a Chinese man pissed off the side of a boat 2,000 years ago off the coast of Vietnam/the PI/Malaysia/Thailand that the waters and land belong to them.  The way it's going in the Western Pacific, we'll look back on the Chinese regional policy from 2010-2050 as very similar to the 1890s-1939 "small wars" in the Western Hemisphere by the United States.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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They're practically saying if a Chinese man pissed off the side of a boat 2,000 years ago off the coast of Vietnam/the PI/Malaysia/Thailand that the waters and land belong to them.

That is a stupid, absurd, and false argument.

I'll give you a thumbs up for the laugh provided.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 01:09 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"Yea, but late 1941 "bully" didn't have ICBMs.  The 2013 "bully" does and Japan doesn't. Yea, but late 1941 "bully" didn't have ICBMs.  The 2013 "bully" does and Japan doesn't. "

But Japan does have F-15s with fast packs, a boat load of plutonium, and what most believe are a sizeable number of nuclear gravity bombs ready to go on those F-15s, when someone walks the nuclear pits over to the bomb casings.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Meanwhile, the US is working behind the scenes to resolve the situation.

"Despite lingering mistrust between China and the US, Campbell said he's confident that both countries have people who are committed to improving bilateral relations. But he lamented that there aren't enough Americans with expertise on Asia to fill important positions in the US government.

Orville Schell, director of the Asia Society's Center on US-China Relations, recently told China Daily that the two countries' relationship could benefit from experience like that of Henry Paulson, who was George W. Bush's Treasury secretary.

Paulson, who developed knowledge about China during frequent business trips as a top Goldman Sachs Group Inc executive, played a "constructive and positive role" as a cabinet official, and made his Chinese counterparts feel "comfortable", Schell said.

He said he hoped Vice-President Joe Biden might be designated for a similar kind of role during Obama's second term." - China Daily

Everyone should be confident in knowing that Goldman Sachs is involved.  As for the idiot Biden...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment helping_friendl...
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Oh boy!....this is great!!! the rmb is up 2.25% against the dollar in the last 6 months. I'm loaded up on rmb and waiting for China to wipes its ass w/ UST bonds. 

Bank of China has two branches in NYC, offer rmb denominated savings accounts, and are FDIC insured.

Fuck the stock market. I am saving in the currency of the future.

Fuck the JAPS!!!! Let the Chinese rape Tokyo! It's been a long time coming but payback is due the Chinese.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment loveyajimbo
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This may end badly... but since Obunga is a known coward, he will never get involved in a hot war with China... maybe we can use this as an excuse to default on all the debt they hold?  I hope Japan's military is ready to rock...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:18 | Link to Comment earnyermoney
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Japan is Barry's implementation of a Chinese pivot.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:09 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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ozone=chicom

he's on their team.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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China needs to give some payback to Japan for 9/11!

/right?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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China merely needs to stop buying anything from Japan and Japan will implode...it's half way there already.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:36 | Link to Comment supermaxedout
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Dear fellow world citizens,

dont worry the situation is not critical at all. The worst what can happen is that mankind blows themselve up. As long as the planet earth is not disrupted into pieces life is going on.

It really does not scratch me much.  Living in the 1970ties in Germany was fine. There was enough dope, LSD, Marihuan, H, cocaine, alkohol, speed etc that no one was getting the idea that life was bad.

Despite the fact, that Germany was bound to be the battleground of the last of all battles, or as ol Saddam would have said, The mother of all battles.  Short range rockets with nuclear warheads to detonate in Germany were stationed in France and England, the ground along the Iron Curtain separating Germany was filled with nuclear mines to stop the invasion of the Russians.  Not to mention the long range missiles with nuclear war heads from the Russians and the US. The US would have shot them to East Germany, the Russians to the Western part. There were plenty of airforces bases in Germany, with soldiers from Canada, France, UK, US and on the other side Russians. All stuffed with nuclear bombs.  On each side of the Iron Curtain more than 1 Million soldiers were permanently under arms. West Germany alone had a standing army of more than 500.000 soldiers plus the capability to raise within 10 days another million of trained soldiers.  Not to mention the bio and chemical weapons which were as gruesome as they are today.

In spring and autumn there were military excercises all over Germany often involving several hundred thousand soldiers. Giant transport planes from the US were landing on special strips of the normal autobahns, bringing over all in all 100,000 soldiers within a few days. These autobahn strips  were designed to to serve as landing strips in case of war.   Fighter Jets were flying often day and night close to the surface training air batles.  Everyday one herd the roar when a fighter plane went supersonic. Each month the alarm sirens were roaring in order to test their function in case of the case. The older people which had still the trauma of the Allied air raids on German cities inburned in their mind were not amused, to says so. Or better some started to tremble, or to sweat some women cried. There were different signals depending on the kind of attack, Chemicals, Nuclear or conventional.  These were the times in the 1960 and 1970s in Germany. The young ones were fucking around and taking drugs, the old ones were drinking alcohol much more than today or eating themselve to death.

So dont be afraid, th danger is just in your mind, it is not real. You only have to fear your own fear but not the bad, bad bombs from Iran, China, Russia, US, Israel or were ever from.  Things may happen the one way or the other but things like this are too big to worry for a man. This is the business of the big guys, Its their worries while we can enjoy life as long as we still live.  Prost Kameraden lets drink.

 

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 02:48 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Cheers!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:52 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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China has no "rights", legitimate or otherwise. The Chinese people have rights. China is a nation, nations have no rights. Collectivist logic and warmongering are inseparable.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Son of Loki
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MMPI is what someone needs to adminsiter to Abe:

 

The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) is one of the most frequently used personality tests in mental health. The test is used by trained professionals to assist in identifying personality structure and psychopathology.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:30 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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The Japs freakin' ate people in WWII. 

They blew one uncle apart, blew off another's leg, and made one go crazy.

And they act like they did nothing wrong.

This is personal.

I don't care if the Japs get overrun by the Chinese.  Not one little bit.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Oldballplayer said:

The Japs freakin' ate people in WWII. 

They blew one uncle apart, blew off another's leg, and made one go crazy.

And they act like they did nothing wrong.

This is personal.

I don't care if the Japs get overrun by the Chinese.  Not one little bit.

Your anger and resentment over your family's losses is justifiable and understandable. The remains of a young man from my family lie somewhere off the Java coast, along with those of his shipmates and their boat, which was sunk by the Japanese in that war.

My only comment is that one of the parties responsible for these losses has, through deceit, lies, and coverups, successfully evaded the blame which it rightfully deserves.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/12/06/pearl-harbor-roosevelt-knew/

Things are rarely what they seem. The same criminals are still running things, and for them, war is a profit center. This is why the US military still hasn't demobilized from WW2.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:35 | Link to Comment besnook
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the game is getting interesting. the time is now or never for the usa. china has to be stopped for the good of the empire. japan is caught in the middle. it has to do the bidding of the usa because it is already occupied even though the future lies with china. china holds the ace of treasury notes which trumps the usa's 6 no trump bid. china is a master of patience, brinkmanship and the never ending done deal. japan is the master of playing way beyond it's appearance solely for the sake of japan. the usa is a desperate empire known for doing some really dumb things internationally for the last 50 years.

i don't think japan is stupid enough to pick a shooting war fight with china. i think china is using this incident to show japan how stupid it is to do the bidding of the usa. make no mistake. china is treating this as a usa-china conflict. the question is whether china is ready to use this opportunity to show the usa it has the dollar over a barrel(of oil) or will it just be a warning shot to convey the message that there is a new emperor in asiatown? china has been stockpiling commodities from food to energy to gold. russia has the back door covered in syria and the -stans. both converge on iran. india just reestablished it's historical alliance with russia with a mega arms deal. the usa is deploying troops across africa and the mid east. there is a large deployment scheduled for the next few months to the area. there is a large usnavy deployment to the phillipines.

in all of this the timing is on the side of the usa. china is very vulnerable economically today. it won't be nearly as vulnerable in just a few years. japan still needs the usa today. it won't need the usa as much in just a few years. the usa is a weakened empire today. it will be much weaker in the next few years. same with the eurozone. india may still side with the west today. it may not have to in the next few years. india is the biggest barrier to china for the west but the historical chindia conflict may be exploited for the benefit of the west despite india's alliance with russia. russia is the wild card. they have access to the entire theater from the med to the pacific ocean.

gog and magog is here. get out your popcorn and beer for a great show. happy days are here again if you are 4f or otherwise not eligible for the draft.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 19:08 | Link to Comment Bazza McKenzie
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Those Treasury Notes China holds are no ace.  When the US decides to default on them they are simply worthless paper.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 19:55 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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except we can't legally default

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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SmittyinLA said:

except we can't legally default

Legalities mean nothing to those in Vichy DC.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:54 | Link to Comment dadichris
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Japan - the honey badger of Asia

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 19:54 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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When you let a bunch of homosexuals run your government and foreign policy expect "drama" even over insignificant uninhabitable islands worth less than the fuel used to create the drama.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:06 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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I ass-ume you mean the US, with bath house barry, rahm, larry, reggie, butch, hillary........

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:01 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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if things get really dicey we can send in our fleet of Ospreys to terrorize both sides with noisy flyovers.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:30 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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"But Tokyo is doomed to lose the gamble, as more and more countries have come to realize that China acts responsibly in the international arena and its development is a real blessing for the whole world."

That part from the "China Today" story is pure PLA drivel (propaganda).

Certainly China's slave labor force (oppressed population) has benefited U.S. Corporations and the Kleptoligarchy; not a blessing for regular people in either the East or West.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 21:39 | Link to Comment helping_friendl...
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I just spent 2 weeks in Sichuan Province in Chengdu, rode the subway that wasn't there last year, researched the next 4 lines being installed by 2015 just in time for my next trip. I wouldn't mess with the Chinese. They ain't playing.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Savvy
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Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.   

-Confucious

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 23:42 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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It can never happen here?

 

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