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Submitted by Pete Kofod of Casey Research

Insights Into Cultural Shifts From A Visit To A Hardware Store

"So this is what it looks like when a society is starting to collapse," the man standing behind the counter at the hardware store said matter-of-factly. The remark had been directed at no one in particular, but generally at anyone standing nearby. As I was among that audience, I looked at him inquisitively, eliciting in return a look indicating that his observation should be intuitively obvious to even the casual observer.

"We should not be this busy," he continued. "People are normally out Christmas shopping for the latest tech gadgets for their kids, but instead they are spending their hard-earned money here." I had to agree with his observation, because the place was packed, and it was obvious that his inventory was disappearing from the glass showcases and from the wall behind the counter quicker than the store could replenish it.

"We have manufacturers that aren't taking any more orders. We even have a manufacturer that has shut down production and furloughed the entire workforce. I guess when we run out, we run out." He excused himself and joined his staff to help restock the shelves as well as operate the register.

As I surveyed the store, I noticed no discernible demographic pattern among the customers. They included elderly ladies, young couples, construction workers, police officers and hipster techies as well as people from virtually every ethnic and socio-economic background. They would have made the perfect tapestry for a politician's campaign stop.

"So this is what it looks like when a society starts to collapse," I reflected on what the man behind the counter had said. As melodramatic as his words were, they would be understood by any student of human history.

But it raised questions in my mind: "Does social decline precede economic decline? Does the decay of social graces, the protocols that define civilized interaction, the written and unwritten laws of the land, precipitate the ruin of a nation, or is it the other way around? Is it a vicious cycle where one feeds the other, and if so, can the destructive feedback loop be reversed?"

Based on what I observed in the store, I'm inclined to believe that people are concerned about social collapse, in whatever form that may take. Publications such as The Casey Report implore its readership to hedge against inflation (as well as deflation) by dividing their portfolio into balanced thirds spread across asset classes and political jurisdictions, but what does the erosion of a fiat currency really mean?

I would suggest that very much depends on where you live. In more resilient communities, in which economic actors all create value, the impact may in fact be little more than a moderate nuisance. Various South American countries have shown that, despite their governments' penchant for destroying the nation's currency at predictable intervals, life can go on. As a result, while people in those countries know that things can periodically get tougher, they also have become resolved to soldiering through the hardships, knowing that the latest challenging period will pass.

By contrast, with their advanced – and leveraged – economies and large urban centers that are highly dependent on government subsidies as well as consumer supply chains that are extended, the social impact of a fiat currency collapse in the US and Europe could be far more profound.

Such an event would likely be even further exacerbated, and significantly so, by the absence of such experiences to most Western nations in recent memory. In the United States, a small but emerging subculture known as "preppers" focus their resources and attention on developing personal resiliency in response to the perceived deterioration of both financial and social infrastructure. While the theories and actions of "preppers" range from the sublime to the ridiculous, it is undeniable that the financial, social and logistical fabric of the United States has been stretched very thin.

This tenuous position in turn manifests itself as a palpable level of stress readily observed in many people. There is no longer a sense that "everything will be OK." In conversations with people, I get the sense that people feel very uncertain about the future, and not in a hopeful way. They see their prospects as having limited upside with virtually unlimited downward risk. There is a prevailing belief that this is as good as it is going to be for a long time. It is this subsurface tension that was palpable among shoppers in the hardware store.

You see, the hardware store I was in was a gun store. What on earth would compel me to visit a gun store so close to the horrible tragedy in Connecticut? As some readers know, firearms played a significant role in my former professional life in the military. The truth is I wanted to get a sense for what's actually going on in the gun industry, as opposed to the manufactured "reality" presented by the mainstream media.

Having returned from serving a customer, the owner of the gun store continued his observations.

"It's different this time. The last time, with the Clinton gun ban, people knew that it would be temporary. The economy was good and people didn't really care. This time… well, it's different." He then elaborated on the reason that one manufacturer had shut down its fabrication facility: Apparently it was unwilling to be stuck with inventory that at a stroke of a pen will become contraband.

In reply to my follow-on question as to what he meant when he said society was starting to collapse, he answered, "People talk about debt, a recession that won't go away and how we are on track to bankrupting the country. This is all true. But they are all part of a bigger problem."

"What problem is that?" I asked.

"Respect," he said, with just a hint of bitterness. "Treating people with disrespect has become a way of doing business, a way of life. When a culture ceases to demand respect for life or livelihood, anything and everything is fair game."

At this point another gentleman joined the conversation, adding, "You know, these tragedies are a politician's best friend. It allows them to take the public's eye off issues like financial woes and cutbacks in benefits."

In my view, the spectacle in the gun store, which apparently has played out nationwide, is a clear indication that people are doing the equivalent of "shorting" social stability. This is clearly concerning, because the extent to which we can plan our future is directly related to the faith we can reasonably place in social stability.

It may be presumptive, but in my view, people who rush out to purchase firearms in anticipation of gun-control measures are not part of the "gun culture." The "gun culture" already has its arsenal stocked up. The "last-minute shoppers" are people who believe that one day they may need a gun and may not be able to buy one. These are the same people who clean out the grocery store before the first big winter storm hits.

As for the logistics of controlling access to firearms, I suspect that in short order, it will prove to be an academic point anyway, perhaps even more futile than the War on Drugs.

The relevant agents include: crypto currency, open-source hardware, 3D printing, and Dark Net exchanges like The Silk Road.

On the topic of technical limitations to keeping guns out of the hands of the citizenry, let me direct your attention to the following article on a gunsmith who "printed" a gun. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I don't know, but I do know that it is inevitable. The first group that will make a go at it will likely be people who are legally prohibited from owning firearms, yet their livelihood depends on access to weapons; in other words, members of criminal organizations. Shortly behind them will be technically gifted people who, one can only hope, are imbued with decency and respect for human life.

 


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Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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You can find some cool shit at hardware stores... LIKE SILVER SOLDER... [cept in Illinois probably]...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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Agreed...like good hickory-handled axes, camp stoves, kereosene, crowbars, saws, wedges to split forewood, wire mesh for my basement windows (to keep out entitlement-dependent zombies when their checks stop) and incandescent lightbulbs....etc., etc.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I'm less worried about the entitlement dependent zombies than I am about the fucking mice... So stock/stack up on plastic TOTES to play 'keep away' from your food... If you buy transparent ones, they can also double as mini 'greenhouses' if you have plants in the ground before or after the frost hits...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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A lot of people will turn zombie if their checks stop coming. 

I live in a neighbourhood about 15% wealthy unionized resource workers and their pensioners, 40% wealthy government employees and their pensioners, 20% impoverished private sector and 25% welfare recipients.  When the paychecks stop for the 65% (and the alcohol runs out) there goes the neighbourhood.

Kind of like "28 Days Later" without the disease...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment The Juggernaut
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Pane et Circenses.  Bread and games to distract the Roman Republic so politicians can tip-toe around the Sleeping Republic.  Thankfully, Ron Paul, Judge Nap., Lew Rockwell, and Tom Woods etc... are voicing the last chance.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Don’t forget the software..  Pb.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I'm not wrried about the urban zombies... Most of them won't have the energy to walk their fat asses out of the city 5 miles before they collapse due to exhaustion... The ones who do make it that far don't even know what REAL food looks like...

I might start manufacturing some KFC buckets & fill 'em up with rubber chickens (just in case)...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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But they'll turn to CRIME.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment fonestar
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Besides the non-productive assets of gold & silver I love hardware and hardware stores for their investment offerings.  Why is it that I need to double down on all investments of the "information age"; PC's, cell phones, software licences, iPods, etc, etc every six months?  Yet when I invest in the industrial age; hammers, guns, ammo, binoculars, wrenches, etc these items seem to last a lifetime?

The consumer cult-ure, planned obsolecence and keynesian economics seem to go together like some unholy wet dream.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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excellent reference...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:20 | Link to Comment whstlblwr
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No, the big question is what did the Jews buy for Hanukah? I'm sure francis_sawyer with his poor ass nose in the dumpster didn't notice.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 01:33 | Link to Comment Zap Powerz
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Um.  The lessons learned at this fake hardware store are meaningless compared to the real life examples we have all around us.

Exhibit A:  Barack cock sucking Obama.  He was just mother fucking re elected despite being a tyrant, a criminal, an ignorer of the rule of law, the constitution etc.  He is a thug.  Why did he get re elected? Because he was able to believeably promise more free shit than that stupid fucking cunt Romeny.  Thats why.

If you were unable to see that society has already broken down because of the elections of Bush and Obama then youre just not paying attention.  The USA is a dead man walking.

The near future will try mens souls.  Many will want to die rather than live in the hell we face. Are you prepared to drop the hammer on your neighbor when he comes aggressively asking for food for his family?  You gonna sleep ok after that sparky?

You guys are smart.  Youve been watching the societal trends for at least a decade.  This fake story is not going to convince you of anything you didnt already know and hopefully are preparing for.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 03:09 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Typical Americans ... Prepping consists of material stock piling because that's what they value in their lives.

No material goods can offset social decline due to collapse of institutions

Collusion of military police and government can legally rob you of all possessions. Best bet again collapse is connections to powerful people outside the system And get your family a foothold in a foreign lAnds withou losing too much ground

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 06:12 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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Where oh where did all the Iran NUCLEAR BOMB stories go to?

What is this Wag the Dog "gun" bullshit concealing?

And...I would bet gun control under a "President Romney" would have ALREADY advanced FARTHER than it has, due to conservative R's being forced "into line" by the AWB-signing former governor of MA.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:11 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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"Why is it that I need to double down on all investments of the "information age"; PC's, cell phones, software licences, iPods, etc, etc every six months?  Yet when I invest in the industrial age; hammers, guns, ammo, binoculars, wrenches, etc these items seem to last a lifetime?"

If you buy a hammer from 1998 and a hammer from 2013, the differences in the product are fairly unsubstantial. If you buy a computer from 1998 vs. one from 2012 the differences are substantial. 

People seem to like to romanticize the idea that technological change is really only cosmetic when in reality it is fundamental to the rapid change we see in every industry and economic region.

Just because you can't keep up with it doesn't' mean it isn't happening and doesn't affect you.  

Would you rather be treated in a medical facility with tech from 2006 or 2012?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:33 | Link to Comment CPL
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There weren't drug and supply shortages in 2006.

 

So I'll take 2006

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:37 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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"Would you rather be treated in a medical facility with tech from 2006 or 2012?"

I wasn't suggesting a time machine. 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:05 | Link to Comment CPL
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Ever buy an IKEA flatpack and note that a couple of screws are missing?  What happens then?  You put it back in the box because the furniture is 'broken' and bring it back to the store.

alternatively...

Having the most technologically advanced car on the planet doesn't count for anything if you don't have oil, gas, tires and replacement parts plus the ability to repair properly.

...and for medicine.

An MRI scan is worthless as an instrument without the highly processed and manufactured barium drink to allow the machine to ID the location of a problem.  The cancer doctor trained with the latest techinques in cancer care is worthless without the medicine to treat it.  Or does merely standing in a room with a high qualified professional treat the issue? (and the machine that goes ping.)

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:06 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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I'm not taking issue with the point you were making, it's just a separate argument from what I was trying to respond. 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:22 | Link to Comment CPL
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I read into his statement of how transient 'modern' technology is without the underlying support versus hammer and nail.  Which are well engineered ideas.   It's hard to make the promise of new technology until it reaches that well developed and well understood position.  Like a hammer and nail.  It's not sexy, but it does some amazing things for everybody.  The cell phone, while handy, won't be building houses or empires anytime soon except on paper.  Same goes for medical gimmicks, note how there is no 'cure', just an increased chance of survival.

 

However you listen to the news and sales guys of this stuff, you'd think Christ was resurrected in a pill.  In reality, you pay a fortune to increase the odds of the poker hand at a very large table.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:29 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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 "If you buy a hammer from 1998 and a hammer from 2013, the differences in the product are fairly unsubstantial"

~~~

It's more than obvious that the only thing you know about hammers is what they 'look like' [because you probably spend too much time staring your METROSEXUAL face into the mirror]... I won't VOUCH for a 1998 vs. 2013 hammer comparison here, but I'll GLADLY take a 1913 hammer over a 2013 one...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:34 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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I meant in terms of the technolgy.........................

Sure, when your particular product is stagnant from a technological perspective the best way to increase sales is find a way to make it cheaper and shorten its lifespace (two things that technological advancement does by default). 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:46 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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 'planned obsolescence' is as much a part of MODERN hardware manufacturing as it is in ELECTRONIC TECHNOLOGY products... [which is a characteristic that the 'Krugmans' of the world enjoy]... 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 19:56 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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I'm still using my Grandfather's hammer from 1925 ... five new handles and three new heads since then, but it's still going strong.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:07 | Link to Comment Jreb
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+1000 Best ever low flying joke on ZH. Still laughing....

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:29 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Don't romanticize the past.  I'll take a forged Estwing hammer or fiberglass handled  modern hammer over some old hickory handled antique any day.   My father's all metal 1960 crafftsman drill weighs a ton (and needs an outlet to plug into) compared to a polycarbonate cased 18volt one.  Have fun taking down a tree with an old hand saw - would much rather use a chain saw.

There's plenty of cheap crap out there - you see the difference in sockets and wrenches - the old stuff is thinner and stronger - but truth is that tools are a LOT cheaper now than they were 50 years back.  You can go for the really ceheap stuff from China at places like Harbor Freight and still get reasonable functionality or spend more on 'quality' tools (still probably still made in China) but it's still far more affordable.

The real difference is in how many people actually know HOW to use a hammer today compared to 50 years ago.  Pretty pathetic how UNskilled your typical suburbanite is today.  Have had kids in Cub Scouts building Pinewood Derby cars who NEVER held a tool of any kind before.  I remember grammer school fairs with the old 'Bang the Nail in the wood in 3 tries' games..... today ..... kids wouldn't know what a hhammer was or how to use it.   The very well paid finance guys and attorneys are in deep shit when they can't pay people to fix their 100 year old houses.....  

Sandy was a revelation.  A lot of the supposedly 'prepared' types were screwed when their Generac units wouldn't work or blew up after 2 days.   Knew someone living in a camper after his whole house unit failed.   You had fools paying $10 for a bundle of wood when there were trees down all over the place (yes, you had to cut and season it - though plenty were dead for some time).  Around here they cut trees and leave them by the curb for a week or so before carting it away - free wood for the taking, though not many do so.  Not all that had to cut it down, stack it and split it - having a half cord or more 'in case' - the only cost being your time.  I love the people who spent a fortune on state of the art heating systems that couldn't be run by a generator (not an issue with old steam systems that need only power to run a blower motor if you have an oil burner).  All the people that live a hour from work and have to drive to get there fount that wasn't so workable without gasoline.   Even now a water main break is leaving stores out of bottled water nobody seems to have any contingency plans.

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 19:05 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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can't argue with a lot of what you say...

I have a lot of 'more cleverly designed' wrenches, etc. that beat te hell out the old adjustable ones my father left me... I end up mixing in a little of both [as the job requires]... & the CHEAP vs. WELL MADE argument you make is valid... Not to mention the casual ideas like 'downed trees' during Sandy... Anyone who knows this stuff knows that 'replacement parts' are as much a key as anything else [as well as what you can cobble together using your own imagination]...

I scour dumpsters for things like cardboard, discarded wooden pallets, & plastic Coke & Pepsi trays... Half of my garden is set up using those throwaways...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:49 | Link to Comment TimmyB
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This whole "hammer" discussion is funny, especially the 1913 vs. 2013 model.  The truth is that hammers are mostly obsolete.  People who actually drive nails for a living use nail guns.  I don't care if you have the best 1913 or 2013 model hammer, a pro with a nail gun will kick your ass.     

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:53 | Link to Comment CPL
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Until the power goes out.  Then they can stick the tube that creates the pressure in their mouth and blow.  

 

I predict a lot of very dizzy framers in that situation.

(and yes, nail guns are awesome.)

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:56 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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"In reality, you pay a fortune to increase the odds of the poker hand at a very large table."

I'm sure the guys at the world poker tour would be happy for that advantage. 

"The cell phone, while handy, won't be building houses or empires anytime soon except on paper.  Same goes for medical gimmicks, note how there is no 'cure', just an increased chance of survival."

That's like saying, 'well, if you take cellphone technological advancements they really pale in comparison to when humans learned the ability to create fire on demand.'

Ten years ago a lot of people in the world were completley cut off from the sum of human knowledge. That is rapidly changing with the advent of cheap portable computer devices, which may seem like a minor technological advancement verses what was around 5 years ago, but the potential to make change is massive. Obviously, this isn't likely to be as massive a change as the invention of the printing press but so what?

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/506466/given-tablets-but-no-teacher...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:13 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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 "Ten years ago a lot of people in the world were completley cut off from the sum of human knowledge. That is rapidly changing with the advent of cheap portable computer devices"

~~~

That's true... Nowadays I know [within seconds], everytime Kim Kardashian is planning to take a shit...

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 00:58 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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perhaps not as massive as the printing press (or as) but certainly much much faster.

as far as k.k., perhaps he is asking the wrong questions.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 03:38 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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"Ten years ago a lot of people in the world were completley cut off from the sum of human knowledge."

Ten, Fifty, A hundred, A thousand, and so on.

But having access to information is not the same as having to data, or knowledge, which results from data plus mental labor. And having access to data, or having knowledge, does not mean anything, good or bad, will happen as a result.

To illustrate the wishful delusion being expressed by those who talk about the internet and access to "the sum of human knowledge", all one needs to do is glance at the most popular search engine queries. There is a very high signal-to-noise ratio, but most people are not even interested in the signal.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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"There is a very high signal-to-noise ratio, but most people are not even interested in the signal."

Why would that matter? When you look at the printing press do you judge its impact by the amount of crap that was produced?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:20 | Link to Comment knowless
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edit:replied to wrong post..

 

consumer technology funds the future of innovation as long as the companies/people profiting from them focus on that instead of attempting to fuck with consumption by altering cosmetics. investing in true life changing technologies is one thing, but there will always be significant graft.. the medical/pharmaceutical industry is a horrible example of your point.. if they were to utilise current technologies to their potential while eliminating the rampant curruption supported by the insurance cartels, so much progress could be made.. but it won't be, because there is no incentive to truely "cure" human afflictions, sickcare, they will never heal you fully, unless of course the price is right.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:12 | Link to Comment knowless
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no, i've never bought a furniture puzzle kit, but if i got one for some reason and there was a screw missing i'de buy or make one... what?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:10 | Link to Comment Toronto Kid
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For the love of ...

... Ikea has a huge stack of the bits and pieces that usually go missing from the flatpacks. You can find them by the Returns department.

No need to take the flatpack back because of a screw.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:18 | Link to Comment Ima anal sphincter
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Just give-me 7 years back on this-ol bod and I'll be happy.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 00:13 | Link to Comment AgAu_man
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LOL. Dick, I hope your former (official) boss's successor comes for your HW in person, or goes hunting with you. ;-/

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Another ZHer gave me Fishmox to get anti biotics in bulk off script.

Exact same meds a doc would prescribe(in human doses) packaged as

fish treatments.Same price as the pharmacy ,essential in a

collapse.Without you will die quickly from the sanitisation diseases

we though we had left behind us.

The unprepared mobs  will be quickly thinned out by starvation,

and those diseases.Maybe three months.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:15 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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> ... essential in a collapse.Without you will die quickly from the sanitisation diseases we though we had left behind us.


Yeah... maybe, maybe not.


 MRSA: The antibiotic-resistant bug that has health officials worried

First Antibiotic-Resistant Gonorrhea Cases Detected in North America

 

See also: Garlic, Oregano Oil, Colloidal Silver ... etc.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:46 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Thanks race car.PLEASE don't take antibiotics indiscriminately! So many people have killed or perminantly hurt themselves doing so. I can tell you nightmare stories. Living near TJ I see many people getting them and having horrible outcomes. Antibiotics use appropriately can save your life. But used otherwise is extremely risky. Just FYI from you neighborhood microbiologist.

Miffed:-)

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:46 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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Antibiotics don't just kill bad bacteria, it also kills good bacteria.

You might be surprised how many people come down with C.Diff (as a result of taking antibiotics) and then THAT has to be cured with a different antibiotic.  It can also be recurring and last for years.  The wider the spectrum the antibiotics effects, the more good bacteria it will kill.

Basically if you use antibiotics and don't need to, you are asking for trouble.  That said, if you use antibiotics at ALL, you could be in for trouble.  This doesn't mean don't use it....just make sure that while you stock up on antibiotics, you also need to stock up on pro-biotics to counter that, and even then only use antibiotics when absolutely necessary.

C.Diff can kill, and there are strains that are so resistant to the specific antibiotics used to kill it, that they are literally on the last line of defense with some strains....like tuberculosis and other diseases.

So unless those that stock antibiotics also stock pro-biotics, it would be thinned even more.  Even then they also need a wide ranging variety of antibiotics.  Also lack of other products can increase the 'need' to use antibiotics.  Like lack of clean water, no toilet paper, no sewage, etc, etc. 

Also pill antibiotics are crap compared to IV antibiotics.  If you really get something bad, pills usually won't do squat.  It HAS to be IV.  Even then a 10 day supply of some of these drugs can be thousands of dollars.  So pill antibiotics won't be enough.  Some have short shelf life, and others need to be refrigerated. 

There's really no way to really prepare for a collapse.  You can only get a limited supply of some things you need and hope that was enough to last until some semblance of society reforms.  But given it could be in a world after a massive nuclear exchange, it may not be in our lifetimes.  Even then, having something, makes someone a target.  Someone will loot military outposts and whatever most people have will be completely outmatched (and outnumbered) by bands of military equipment armed thugs.

The real only way to survive is to prevent it from happening. 

Glass-Steagall

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Google (not while you ar eating) " stool transplant" this is the only lasting cure at this time for CDiff. Scary

Miffed:-)

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 03:39 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Bahahahahahahaha! HA! HA! HAHA! HA!

"Glass Steagall"!

That's you're ace in the hole???

AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment fonestar
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I was not "romanticizing" the industrial age but rather pointing out the differences between essential and non-essential services and tools and their respective longevity.  Most information in the "information age" could be deemed non-essential information for entertainment purposes and not something worth doubling your living expenses or going in debt over.  Also, I work in networking and with virtualization, until we get more sophisticated transistors, organic LEDs, etc I can tell you much of the "advances" in consumer technology since 2006 are less substantial than the marketers would have you believe.  In the case of M$ for example all hype and window dressings.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:34 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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It's a common argument I hear, something along the lines of "x" technology never changes so therefore current technology is really just a bunch of hype.

What actually happens is as more people buy the technology it becomes more ubiquitous more investment is made and then more advances. So it may seem like there's not a lot of difference between the first iphone and the iphone the difference between the iphone and the cray1 is substantial.  

http://main.makeuseoflimited.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/M...

If you don't want to update your information age devices every couple years that makes sense, but you probably do every 5 years and definitely every 10 years. And what you go through updating your computer is nothing compared to what a lab or medical facility goes through to keep up with current research. 

A decade ago how many people were investing in 3d printing companies? Now a company like DDD thrives. Even a few years ago that was hard to imagine. 

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:10 | Link to Comment knowless
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do you mean can't keep up financially? because that seems rather naive, all the smartphone activated computer controlled doors and motors don't stand a chance against a torch and hammer... just saying..

 

people who are "keeping up with technology" on a personal consumption basis have no idea what you are even talking about.

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 19:53 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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No not financially. And that point doesn't make sense over a longer period of time. All tech becomes cheaper / more accessible with time and with these rates of change that time window is compressing even more. Most people in North America can easily afford an early generation iPhone (or similar technology), yet at the time they couldn't. That's only a few years out. 

What I meant was technology is changing so rapidly people get technology fatigue and start looking at their hammers and think of those wonderful simpler times..

People have long been suspicious of technological change and fear it, technophobia being very commonly expressed these for many generations. One way it's expressed is in people's dismissal of tech advancements "the old ways were better" type stuff. And of course any tech advancement has both pros and cons so you can argue it either way. But I'm firmly in the technological advancement is good camp.

The basic problem imo these days is that on a long enough timeline technological advancement and capitalism are fundamentally at odds, something few people wish to acknowledge and also something which is causing a lot of problems. Anyway, that's a separate argument... 

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 01:11 | Link to Comment tango
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I too love tech.  Most of those yearning for the good old days are living in a fantasy world. tecnology enriches - it's as simple as that.  And yes, I think technology may make the whole greed/need/success/work/prosperity culture extinct someday.  I mean, if we can manufacture anything for a fraction of the costs, it will inevitably lose its appeal.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 04:01 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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"on a long enough timeline technological advancement and capitalism are fundamentally at odds"

On a human timescale, the best system for promoting techn(nolog)ical advancement is the free market.

Technological advancement is neither good nor bad. Their application is what is subject to value judgments. Much of the time, those judgments are, unfortunely, negative ones. On a side note, regulation or any other form of "management" is not even relevant, once the genie is out of the bottle, short of the total reset of human 'civilization', nothing can put it back in. In 41 years we went from the Curies and Becquerel to Hiroshima and Nagasaki and in another 40 to PET, SPECT, and CT scanners.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:03 | Link to Comment 1100-TACTICAL-12
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True & funny +1

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 07:40 | Link to Comment Sorynn
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Hollywood version of WW2 vets taking the ballot box back...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Mad Mohel
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Debt addiction is a disease. It rots the mind, body, and soul.

Some people if they miss one too many a meal will be ready to eat ears and assholes. The have nots will forcibly take what they require to multiply.

You can take that to the bank.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:34 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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One too many being three, give or take.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Molon Labe

Hope & Change

Forward

Suppression Fire

Zombies

Oh and one web site is saying that the nationwide flu is a test by Hope & Change of airborne weapons.  A test run.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:30 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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What in the world are they spraying?

Why in the world are they spraying?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:15 | Link to Comment Ignorance is bliss
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I live in S. florida and there are a bunch of chem trails today.Old people central

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 23:34 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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O M G they are spraying people to turn them old!!  Look at the evidence: Florida+Spraying=Old People in Florida!  Connect the damned dots people!

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 02:46 | Link to Comment Freddie
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I saw something weird few nights ago.  4 amber lightis in they sky going very slowly at probably 40,000 feet or higher and 20+ miles away.  I was not a single light for each 4 but like close together dual lights.   They were very slow and fairly close together.  One of the four separated from the others.  It was there for about 3 to 4 minutes then they disappeared.

I doubt they were planes or airliners because they were slow.  What is weird is they all went dark at the same time.  So if they were planes and they turned - you would probably see at least one.

Drones or chemtrial planes or what.   I never see weird things.  Not a ghost chaser or UFO fan.  This was odd.

 

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 07:17 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
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Mi look up inna di sky me can't see clear
Blue skys a gone and white lines appear
Dem seh it's natural
Mi naw believe dem!
Dem seh it's vital
Mi naw listen to dem!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YiHxQcc1tM

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 21:36 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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@ The Gooch.
Looks like Zero Hedgers are seeing what your saying. Keep up the good work and may the force be with you.

I am with you on the advertising.

Peace.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 21:49 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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The naked eye cannot deny. And with you.

Trophies of Silence

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Never let a crisis (or man made pandemic) go to waste.  Need to solve the baby boomer problems of Social Security, Medicare, under funded pensions, etc... the "Spanish Flu" would reduce the 65+ population by 50%.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Uber Vandal
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Actually, the 1918 "Spanish Flu was deadly to infants, adults aged 25-34, and the elderly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:W_curve.png

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:10 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Well almost 100 years have passed since that experiment.  I'd like to think they have had enough time to fine tune it.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:34 | Link to Comment BandGap
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The pandemic of 1918 was deadly for people 18-50 because their immune system response was overblown in response to the disease. In effect, their bodies killed themselves by producing far too much mucous. they drown in their own mucous.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 01:58 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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We need more upbeat posts like this one on ZH

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 02:35 | Link to Comment Socratic Dog
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Offhand, I'd say that this "nationwide epidemic" is one of the mind, not the body.  It's media-manufactured.  For christ's sake, turn off your telvisions you morons.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Worrying about getting the flu is easier to handle than economic collapse.  Now wash your hands and get back to work.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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Well, it wasn't the flu that killed people, it was secondary bacterial pneumonia.

“The 20 to 40 million deaths worldwide from the great 1918 Influenza Pandemic were NOT due to ‘flu’ or a virus, but to pneumonia caused by massive bacterial infection.”

Gets better...

In looking at reports of those who died, two distinct groups became readily apparent to Starko, based on a very distinctive time frame from health to death:

1. People who died of pneumonia from a bacteria infection became sick and things deteriorated at varying rates from there to death; and

2. People who died so astoundingly fast that those deaths became a classic part of the frightening legend of the 1918 “flu” – people perfectly well in the morning and dead within a matter of hours.

In both groups, aspirin is now the likely causative agent.

http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/bayer-and-death-1918-and-asp...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:32 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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more reasons to own silver...

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 02:10 | Link to Comment Oldrepublic
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Thank you Miss E for that report

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:32 | Link to Comment James-Morrison
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It's hard to feel positive about the future with such a bummer of a President.

Obummer: We'd be better if we just shipped him to Hawaii on a permanent golf holiday and kept him away from cameras.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:05 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Smart man like your surname.  Poor Jim was a very bright dude but they were out to get him after the Miami Beach show.   The booze and drugs did not help.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:50 | Link to Comment DMac
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There was more to Jim Morrisson than what the media told of him.

"The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation".  Another CIA mind fvck. 

U.S. Navy Admiral George Morrison, Jim Morrison's dad, was commanding officer of the fleet that was the staged Gulf of Tonkin incident.  I believe he was deeply connected to intelligence.  His son was not some simple rebel without a cause.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:34 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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hoo ~ hadn't been reminded of that in awhile... That's what make it FUN hanging out here...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:01 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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I'm confused ... there's the cool Jim Morrison of "Light My Fire" fame, and then there's the douchey James Morrison of "You Make it Real" fame.  Sorry, but just sayin ...

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 02:59 | Link to Comment Freddie
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It was a really weird story.  Jim M is a sort of fat preppy kid at FSU in Tallahassee.  He is in a school film for the school as a dork student.  He has a very high IQ. He goes to UCLA and becomes a poet then rock star.  Dumpy fat kid become very attractive guy who women drool over.  I only like girlies but the guy was better looking then Brad Pitt.

Gets arrested for a show in RI or CT because he yelled at the cops(??). Gets arrested in Miami BEach for supposedly exposing himself or simulating a sex act.  PEople say it never happened.  Drunks more, starts to get fat.  The band becomes a big hit. Goes to hide out in Paris because the Miami thing is a felony with prison time. Gets stoned and dies.  Old man involved in covering up Gulf of Tonkin that made LBJ insanely rich off the Vietnam War.   Something does not add up. 

I am surpised Oliver Stone missed that in his movie.  Very strange story.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 03:15 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Thanks Dude. Holy shit!  Too many coincidences.  Even that fat f*ck moron David Crosby is CIA plus he comes from very influential early Dutch American families.

They mention Terry Melcher and fail to point out that he was Doris Day's son.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=49150

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 07:43 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:50 | Link to Comment MFLTucson
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Yep would be nice but would be better if he took the big mouth Jew from New York with him then again, I think New Yorkers will deal with that POS in their own way!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:14 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Natural epeidemics come and go... but the fact the current regime is so corrupt, and folks so suspicious, just the possiblility, even slight, that it might be a Bio-War attack is justification we need to change the direction of the Republic.

It's going to be up to US.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:06 | Link to Comment gaoptimize
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Check out the Google Trends for "molon labe".

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:05 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Sorry Francis...have to take issue with that comment on mice. I have military shipping cases, the big ones, very thick plastic, and made the mistake of storing feed in them, rats went through them like butter.  Mice went after repurposed kitchen utensils in standard plastic tubs, probably because they still had the scents of oils/food on them. They only needed a hole the size of a quarter or less and took up housing while turning the utensils to slivers. Even got into my tubs of brewing gear. If you're storing grains, rice, beans, corn, etc., using plastic barrels or buckets, pack them in mylar, treat for air, seal. Then close the barrel/bucket up and sanitize the outside with a spray of water and your choice of bleach/vinegar/ammonia. Otherwise use metal drums with mylar but you can skip sanitizing. If it's not in bottles or cans then buy military surplus 'medical' containers made of metal or seal your storage room tight, real tight.

 Liberal use of mothballs around the storage area(if it's not in your closet or pantry) will keep almost anything with a sense of smell at bay, I get the pine scented ones. I used them under the old house to keep the fruit rats and snakes out. And currently toss them in my storage sheds because the mice eat rubber hoses off equipment, pull cords on engines, virtually anything they find chewable or suitable for bedding. 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 19:26 | Link to Comment duo
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cat's come in handy for mouse/rat control.  Farmers have known that for 3000 years.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 19:59 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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I hate cats or love them as a dog can.   Turkeys/chickens do a good job on cockroaches and mice.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:16 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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And coyotes here come in handy for cat control. I have known that for 3 years...Mother Nature can be a real bitch at times.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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Coyotes are arriving in force in PA. Our barn cats are used to dealing with foxes but coyotes are something else.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 07:48 | Link to Comment Ayn NY
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Get cats and only feed them dry food - problem solved. We don't even see many squirrels around and we have 50 wooded acres.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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Our problem is when a wood rat makes it past the barn cats and gets into the basement. They will gnaw through the plastic totes pretty quickly. We started using steel containers to store the totes in. One source is to salvage large chest freezers at scrap yards and remove the refrigeration and electrical gear to make them lighter. I also found some stainless steel drums at a surplus sale that clean up real nice. They seal tightly and with the right stainless Swagelock fittings can be pumped down with a Welch lab pump (the ones that go pockety-pockety and look like a one cylinder engine). Good for long term storage of coffee beans etc.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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What are you doing this weekend?

Got kids? 

Show them these types of videos.

Then get them...

Shorts and sleeveless t-shirts, circle 'em up on the lawn, and have 'em go at it two at a time; only Sharpie marks over an artery scores (volar surfaces of arms, medial surfaces of thighs, carotids on neck); pause to cross them off after each successful attack; first one to three advances.

You will be amazed how much fun they have, and how quickly they improve.

Or, you can just let them keep playing XBox all day, killing virtual people with no physical consequences, while you sit on the couch eating Doritos, drinking beer, watching the big game, and cheering for kids you don't even know.

 

_______________________________________________________________

There is the moral of all human tales;
'Tis but the same rehearsal of the past.
First freedom and then Glory - when that fails,
Wealth, vice, corruption - barbarism at last.
And History, with all her volumes vast,
Hath but one page...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Course_of_Empire

_______________________________________________________________

Fear we are returning to a time in history where it is a common occurrence to fight for one's life?

Item 7

Complete the following courses in this order:

1. One half-day tactical folding knife class; $150.

2. 2-3 weekends of Tactical Pistol Courses; $1,000.

3. 2-3 weekends of Tactical Rifle Courses; $1,000.

4. One day of Self and Family Emergency Medical Aid/Trauma Kit Course; $150.

5. A series of several two-hour self-defense classes (not martial arts classes); $200.

6. Fulfillment of requirements for concealed handgun permit; $250.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment CPL
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Concept:

The government isn't going to take your guns.  Your neighbour is and it'll be a fight of your life

Now you have to ask yourself a single question.  If everyone expects this to happen, how well marketed was that idea for it to be embedded in your mind?  This leads the question of "who told you that you would be fighting for your life"?

I bet you a beer the same people that both questions are related to the people responsible for your heightened sense of doom and your willingness to pick a fight will someone that you've never met.  Why would you teach your children butchering skills.  

If you wanted to get it over with and start with this lifestyle choice tommorrow, leave, fly to Bosnia and live there.  HOWEVER...You all have a choice before .  You can make this turn to a bag of shit and avoid your responsibilities to yourselves and your communities.  OR you can all man up, take a hard look around your local area and start building the systems you and your neighbours will need.

If you are in a position that the ONLY thing you have to concern yourself with is fucking around on a gun range and teaching kids how to open up a human body like a pinata.  I'm afraid to say you are spoiled with time.  A rifle is like any tool in a tool chest.  A knife is just a tool in the tool chest.  A hatchet is a tool in the toolchest.   A hammer is a tool in a toolchest.

There is a time and a place for all of it.  If governments want to wipe you out, they'll try and fail.  However I doubt that situation will happen, math wise, money wise, resource wise.  All governments subscribing to a central bank infinite growth idea are finished. if anything the government employees and contractors are chumps just like you.  They are being lied to, just like you, about the very real underlying issues to problems that are never discussed in polite or mixed company.  

 

I ask that you consider where an idea comes from first before acting on it and why the idea is necessary.  Because all I'm seeing is someone else put the mongoose and the cobra in the cage together with no definitive reason other than distraction.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:53 | Link to Comment ZetaEx
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Excellent comments.

"...we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

The zombie is the man that doesn't understand those words. With all due respect gentlemen, I thought we were Americans. We hate our government, but we love one another. As long as there is any power, wealth or ability in any of the blessing that God has given me, I will starve before I see my neighbor hungry.

Who is with me?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:29 | Link to Comment CPL
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If you fuck around with making plans to kill your neighbour then both sides lose.  If you have it in place, then you don't starve.  So I would be reaching for a packet of seeds and a hoe, long before reaching for ammo. 

 

The ammo is only for those that didn't prepare and want to take.  Even then, in a world short of energy, human labour is important.  That's what kills me about this whole prepper thing.  The walmart won't be fucking open.  The factories for all the 'stuff' is in China.  Mail, state to state, is measured in weeks.  Mail from another country is years.  You are more than likely have something for that guy to do.

 

Think Anne of Green Gables with slightly better technology and armament.  Somehow I think that the idea of Cavendish would have been ruined greatly if Gilbert Blythe cut down Mary McGillis because she was late on the store payment.

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:27 | Link to Comment Karlus
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I think its great to have faith in your fellow man. Compassion is something that sets us apart from animals.

That said, there are those that do not and cannot share those values.

While I hope for the best, I will prepare for the worst. I want my children to survive. Part of that might include training on how to disassemble an enemy quickly.

The world is sometimes not a nice place with the spectrum of human nature. Deal from a position of strength and it will breed respect.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 19:20 | Link to Comment CPL
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It really depends where you live.

 

 

Ice storm.  No power in Canada (eastern Ontario/Quebec) for about a month here.  Same for up state NYC.  Middle of winter.  -20C - -30C.  Very cold.  Kill you dead if not prepared.

Guess how many government workers we seen?  None.  Took the neighbours working for hydro one co-ordinating anyone with technical ability to help get it fixed.  Nobody got paid for it.  We just did it because we are invested in our community and each other. People packed light bags and moved in with family and friends with wood stoves.  Food was redistributed from one another's homes.  Super markets weren't open because there was no power.  Gas stations weren't pumping gas because there was no manual pump (that changed afterwards) in the stations around here.  

People took care of running engines too long because gas was hard to come by about week three.  People prioritized and moved together like a flock of birds in concern to their own survival.

 

NY State Relay blackout a couple of years ago.  Power was out for about a week.

Happened in the summer.  The first thought of everyone in Ontario and Quebec when it happened.  Pub.  

I can assure everyone here that nobody in the government told anyone to remain calm.  Nobody thought, "fuck, better get my gun to protect myself from looters."

No.  People did what they do without so much of a whispher of what our useless government said.  No power.  No TV.  No Radio.  No government.  That's the long and the short of that brief week of freedom.

It was literally a week of BBQ, beer and golf.  It was awesome.  Weather was great.  Seen people out I hadn't seen in ages.  That wasn't that long ago.

 

Only people that were VERY concerned with the power outages.  Welfare trash.  The rest of the working population took both occassions for what they were.  A break from the bullshit, time to unplug and relearn old amusements and processes.  Nobody is out for your can of beans except the people telling you to fear your neighbour.

 

Nobody heard those stories from the news.  We did hear about how the government was doing 'something' (recycling oxygen) about two months after the fact.  By then it didn't matter.  In that situation, the government was worthless.

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:11 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Great post. I'd like to add that government is pretty much worthless. Period.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:18 | Link to Comment Panafrican Funk...
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I know there's some mild anti-Christian sentiment here, but it's worth pointing out during the 2010 flood in Nashville, churches (and more particularly, the members of those churches) were absolutely all over the recovery and cleanup effort.  Our city barely made the news, because we were just so damn civil about it.  I am fully aware of the negatives that come with the religion construct, but the major religions have outlived a shitload of governments for a reason.  

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:40 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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It matters not where an idea comes from, what matters is if it is true, and therefore worth believing. Some ideas happen to correspond to reality and their truth is not a function or result of anyone's agenda. Your attempt at a thought experiment produced an association fallacy by another means. Rather than question the validity of the belief in se, you questioned the source. Well, for all I know, you're right. But it does not make one iota of difference, if the idea is in fact true. Believing it for any reason, and refusing to disbelieve it for any reason, remain optimal behaviors from a "don't get killed" standpoint.

"responsibilities to yourselves and your communities"

Communities whose members at every opportunity attempt to steal more from each other using the ballot box? That's not a community, and yet it is in this pathetic excuse for a human society. Fuck. That.

"They are being lied to" for very good money, and have never demonstrated even the slightest unease with earning their paychecks through aiding and abetting fraud, coercion, theft, etc. because that is how governments operate - believe absurdities, commit atrocities.

Go ahead and defend it all you want. We both know most people in our communities, except for the extraordinarily fortunate - of which there are necessarily very few - blessed to live among stable, sane, honorable, and tough people, would not hesitate to slit your throat as you lay sleeping - if they found themselves desolate and thought they would get away with it.

"start building the systems you and your neighbors will need."

You may need them, but if your neighbors know you have them, everyone knows you have them, and everyone will appear rather promptly, when the time comes, to dispossess you of them with extreme prejudice.

If you happen to have the world's best neighbors, good for you. For the rest of us, reality is not so kind.

And one more thing. Don't blame me or anyone else here for "turning this into a bag of shit". This bag of shit has been festering for generations, as in, long before anyone here was even born; if you can't see it, you ain't lookin'. It's their world, friend, we just live in it. I'd rather be spoiled with time than spoiled by delusions and false hopes.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment CPL
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Do you want some whinge with that cheese?  Jesus h christ.  Suck it up and get it together.

If you don't figure out how to hold a hand to shake...well in a world without rules that's a written guarentee you'll end up with a face full of buck shot.

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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"Shorts and sleeveless t-shirts, circle 'em up on the lawn, and have 'em go at it two at a time; only Sharpie marks over an artery scores..."

Lord Of The Flies bitches.....only non-lethal.....for now.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:52 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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That kind of knife fighting will get you killed in a fight.  I suggest you read up on how it is done in prison.  Bum rush, pin an arm against the torso, and start ganking whatever is open fast and furious.  He doesn't have to be dead when you start running away.  If your opponent is armed, you wrap a jacket around your defense hand.  You ARE going to get stabbed too. 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment CPL
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50 pound box of nails.  50 pound box of bolts.  50 pound box of screws.

 

Can't build something without fixtures.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Muppet Pimp
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For a limited time, we are donating proceeds from our Fortitude axe and our Be Optimistic Felt Badge to the It Gets Better Project, which inspires hope for LGBT kids who are facing bullying and other forms of harassment.

My question is this: At what age do said 'kids' decide they are L, G, or B?  4? 6? 8?

WTF is up with 'Best Made Co.'? 

I smell something funny at that site.  I suspect there is a pre-k LGBT class available for their LGBT pre-k kids in NYC if one looks hard enough.  That is ridiculous.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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"My question is this: At what age do said 'kids' decide they are L, G, or B?  4? 6? 8?"

Are you denying their right to call themselves whatever they damn well please, or do you just not like it?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 21:09 | Link to Comment Muppet Pimp
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A society with pre-pubescent LGBT folks has issues.  I'm quite convinced that they should not even be contemplating such things at that age.  When society has 8 year olds contemplating which way they swing, it is a problem imo.  Call me old fashioned.

Check out the Derek Zoolander school for kids who can't read good and other stuff too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ-8IuUkJJc

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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Truth

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Any recommendations or comments on crossbows?

I am thinking about buying one.

Also, the preppers are basically the people who built fallout shelters, only 50 years later. I have always thought they were the truly sane ones.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment CPL
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First, don't panic.

Second, don't panic.

Third.  Can you shoot a bow?  

 

If no, then you'll suck handling a crossbow unless you want to be firing it at someone in shotgun range with any accuracy.  If you learn the long bow you've got 300 yards to take the eye out of a sparrow nice and quiet.  Like golf, bows are about using gravity, wind and how the missle arcs towards it's target.  That takes lots of practice.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:33 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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That's why ancient warfare tactics involved clustered artillery columns [working in choreography]...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:57 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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300 yards, eh? I can see you're a real expert. by the way I build longbows that can shoot arrows into a station-wagon rear door. The point about practice is true enough; but the remark about hitting anything 300 yds. away is ridiculous.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:18 | Link to Comment CPL
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I'm going off distance in medieval tactics in cluster shots.  If you are hunting your best place is in a nest up a tree.  My accuracy falls off on the other side of, for myself, at 25 meters.

 

And that's if my shoulder is behaving.  Bows are work.

 

You got anything forsale?  I'm looking for a nice recurve.  Something compact.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:14 | Link to Comment ali-ali-al-qomfri
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Slingshot and a bucket of bolts, rocks, marbles….

http://www.youtube.com/user/JoergSprave

this dude rocks with a Humongo (ref MadMax) accent.....  a serty millimeter ball to za head und your dedt.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:29 | Link to Comment CPL
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That is so neat.  Never seen anything like it.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 00:39 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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+100

Good stuff.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:20 | Link to Comment CVfriendship
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300 yards indeed Sir Robin.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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300 yds.

No wonder Marian smiled so much.

Can you lick your eyebrows as well ?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment caimen garou
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horton vision 175,best damn crossbow I ever owned, limited out on deer second week of the season.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Thecomingcollapse
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Barnett crossbows are the best in my book

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:29 | Link to Comment trollin4sukrz
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Any recommendations or comments on crossbows?

 

Horton

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Matt
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Dovetails. No nails, screws or bolts needed. Not up to code, though. I wonder how many Amish farmhouses suddenly fall apart?

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment CPL
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The amish use nails, horse shoes don't glue themselves on.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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The Amish around here use glue quite often along with nails. Depends on the horse/mule and what they are used for.

http://www.colethefarrier.com/articles_shoeing.html

The Amish used to use dowels which can be seen when a burned out barn is torn down. Lately they have fallen in love with nail guns of all types.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Wire mesh, of course. Thank you.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Silver Bug
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American Society is rapidly degenerating. All you have to do is walk down the road and see the sad state of the general public.

 

Protect your Wealth. Keep Stacking.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 09:20 | Link to Comment midtowng
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Everything in this article is true...except for the response.

Buying firearms isn't a solution on any level. We need to organize, get involved, build communities.

Society is deteriorating because good people are saying "fuck it" rather than "let's fix this"

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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..and confiscating firearms is not an option on any level.  See, citizen battle rifles ensure we have a chance to community-build and fix this fuckmess.  

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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I love the smell of oxy-acetylene in the morning!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Urban Roman
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Oh, SNAP! ... I need to get a 3D printer and stock up on the, whatsitcalled, resin? The stuff you feed it. How long does it keep on the shelf, I wonder? 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:14 | Link to Comment CPL
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It's plastic pellets.  It'll last longer than anyone I know.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 10:33 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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Mine is an early model that uses resin which comes on spools like fishing line. Some high precision ones are using liquid resin.

 

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment The Juggernaut
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"It's different this time. The last time, with the Clinton gun ban, people knew that it would be temporary. The economy was good and people didn't really care. This time… well, it's different."

 

Yea real fucking different.  Like 1933 Germany different.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment vamoose1
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    correct       maybe   1933  germany    with  a  bullet

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:02 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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they had plenty of bullets in 1933 Germany. but you reminded me of an autobiography of an English Woman who married a German Army officer, (a love match), and then lived out the whole thing; from the joyous election celebration to Gotterdamerung in the ruins of smoking Berlin. She said it was just like boiling a frog slowly in a pot of water, at first you hardly noticed anything was wrong at all. I wish I could remember the name of the book; it was absolutely amazing; and horrifying.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:12 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Sounds interesting. Please post the title if you remember it.  I often wonder if our collapse will happen suddenly or over many years?  Most likely a little of both.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment edifice
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It's been 80 years, since the election of Adolf Hitler. If it's not a supercycle repeating, I don't know what is.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment NooooB
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Father Jack!! How I miss you.... That was the true end of society for me.. Poor Father Ted...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:30 | Link to Comment edifice
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Drink! Feck! Arse! Girls!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:36 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Oppa Gangnam Style!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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One hundred years since Woodrow Wilson's first term.

An evil POS in office then, an evil POS in office now.

As an aside, earlier hunter-gatherer alpha males probably rued the day when weapons were first created. They ruled by force or threat of force, and weapons were the great equalizer for lesser males. Weapons were probably a strong influence in the evolution of alpha-males.

They were physical savages, now we've transitioned to psychopathic savages.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I'd disagree with your characterization of either Wilson or Obama as 'EVIL'... I think of them more as puppet/pussies [meanwhile, acknowledging that puppet/pussy behavior is what allows EVIL to manifest]...

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 16:11 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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I feel like refining that observation a little. I would say Obama, principally by reason of his being a product of his age; is much more deserving of blame. He's done a lot cheap underhanded cheating crap, of the low life Chicago Politician type, that Woodrow Wilson, a fastidious but slightly un-realistic intellectual never would have dreamed of doing. Also, how are you ever going to forgive the person who signed the act giving the president the power to create assassination lists for american citizens; and cancelling habeus corpus. Well, at the very least he was an order of magnitude more evil a puppet/pussy than Wilson; who as far as I have been able to understand was simply flim-flammed; or sold a bill of goods by some very worldly people who pushed his, (idealistic), buttons.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Esso
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+1 Francis, O'boingo ain't shit.

Look at the puppet master behind the curtain. Oh wait, can't do that, anti-semitism & all that.

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 18:22 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I just say what I feel... SAT800... I appeciate your distinction... But I realy think OBLAMEO is just a dipshit clown... I find it hard to see him in any other way than the way I'd observe a teenage, "LIKE OMG" girl walking around texting her "LIKE OMG" BFF's... They, I'd assume, would have adequate access to INFORMATION [in today's society] to use it constructively ~ instead, most SQUANDER it... It's a matter of how you USE information [or IGNORE it ~ as the case may be]...

OBLAMEO is just a lazy clown dipshit... He got 'fasttracked' to the executive washroom because he was kike silly putty [& could read a smooth teleprompter]... His main kike handler in the process is now the mayor of Chicago [& he has filled BOTH 'loser' cabinets & staff with yids who keep his administration delicately choreographed & dancing madly backwards in step with the yid lobby]...

~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AKaUr_nDeM

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment Renewable Life
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The real question is.........who will be the next "America" that will stop the this great fascist wave, if America becomes Germany 1933????

Ohhh that's right, there won't be one!

So the conclusion has to be, Americans will have to do it from the inside! If that's the case, God help us, it's gonna make WWII look like Panama in 89!

If 6 million Americans where killed or wounded in the Civil War with black powder rifles, and we had 50 million people then, what do you think it will look like today?? I hope Canada will take our children while we fight this madness! We all better start making friend and moving some family north!

Fri, 01/11/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment unrulian
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@renewable

we have lots of space but i fear we will most likely have our own problems

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