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Greece Is The US, Following Vote To Hike Taxes On The Rich

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It's been a while since the Syntagma square riotcam was broadcasting live from Athens. After all, despite the ongoing collapse in its economy, where only 3.7 million people have jobs compared to 4.7 million who are unemployed or inactive, the general sentiment was that "austerity" measures have been put on hiatus, and no more tax, pension, or benefits cuts are on the table. That changed last night when Greece was the latest country to become the US, following a tax hike on its highest earners. However, unlike the US, this increase in "rich" taxes is being offset by at least some spending cuts such as tighter control of the budgets of ministries and state utilities, and the reduction of parliamentary employees’ wages in line with cuts to the wages of other civil servants. In other words, it is almost time for the Syntagma square daily pay-per-view daily webcast. The good news, at least for Greece, is that it does not have a debt ceiling to worry about. Then again, when all your debt is zero coupon perpetuals in the hands of the ECB and other "official" institutions, the balance sheet is the last thing you have to worry about. It's the income statement, one where not even all the one-time charges or loan loss reserve releases in the world will do any difference, that suddenly matters far more.

From the NYT:

Greek lawmakers voted late Friday to increase taxes on middle- to high-income earners, self-employed professionals and businesses despite vehement objections by the political opposition and several ruling coalition deputies who said austerity-weary citizens should not be subjected to further pain.

 

The change to the tax code, one of a long line of pledges Greece has made to international creditors in exchange for continued bailout money, passed comfortably with at least 162 of the ruling coalition’s 163 members backing the articles in a roll call that came after two days of heated debate in the 300-seat Parliament. 

 

Defending the bill in Parliament, Finance Minister Yannis Stournaras called it “a vital fiscal reform” that would avert additional across-the-board cuts to workers and pensioners.

 

“Every euro collected in tax revenue is one euro saved from salaries, pensions and social benefits,” he said. He rejected a flurry of amendments from members of two junior parties in the coalition and the opposition, noting that such costly changes would throw Greece off the path to economic health and put further bailout money in jeopardy.

 

Calling Mr. Stournaras a “political terrorist,” Panagiotis Lafazanis, a lawmaker of the leftist party Syriza, which opposes the terms of Greece’s bailouts, said the tax bill was “the nail in the coffin of social justice,” adding that “Greek society is more important” than its creditors.

Of course, Greece does have one teeny, tiny problem:

Greece’s failure to crack down on widespread tax evasion came into sharp focus over the holidays after prosecutors revealed that the names of three relatives of the former finance minister George Papaconstantinou had been removed from a list of some 2,000 wealthy Greeks with Swiss bank accounts. Parliament is to vote next Thursday on whether Mr. Papaconstantinou, and his successor as finance minister, Evangelos Venizelos, who leads the coalition’s Socialist party, will face a parliamentary inquiry on whether they should be indicted on charges of criminal tampering and breach of duty.

So yes, voting through tax hikes is one thing. Actually collecting the new taxes, when not even the old tax code was being observed by anyone and certainly not the rich, is a different problem. Which means even more tax evasion, even more offshore accounts (only not in Zurich this time, but in Singapore), even more tarps of swimming pools to cover them from satellite photos of "villas of the rich and infamous", even greater deficits, even greater deficits, until the ongoing surge in bad loans once again topples the local banking sector which like a habituated drug addict demands for yet another round of bailouts.

The best news, however, is for Vladimir Putin who is about to see yet another surge in applicants for Russian passports, which as we observed previously have become the new Swiss bank account.

 


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Sat, 01/12/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment Snakeeyes
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Boy, is the USA ever Greece! Opa! And people voted for the Statist clown that is pushing us farther down the path to Greece.

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/opa-housing-jobless-c...

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Rubicon
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Za zdorovje!

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment flacon
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Can't Greece cut government spending instead of increasing taxation?  ... or do their politicians have the same disease as the American ones - the world over?

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Yes. It is called Acute Craniusrectumitis. Symtomps include pathalogical lying, and compulsive vote buying.

Methinks Boris is going to start getting some new neighbors.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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It would be nice if pathological liars could be easily identified. The most interesting thing in this article is that autism presents an opposite gray matter-white matter pattern.

 

First evidence of brain abnormalities found in pathological liars

"We looked for things like inconsistencies in their stories about occupation, education, crimes and family background," said Raine, a psychology professor at USC and co-author of the study.

"Pathological liars can't always tell truth from falsehood and contradict themselves in an interview. They are manipulative and they admit they prey on people. They are very brazen in terms of their manner, but very cool when talking about this."

Aside from having histories of conning others or using aliases, the habitual liars also admitted to malingering, or telling falsehoods to obtain sickness benefits, Raine said.

After they were categorized, the researchers used Magnetic Resonance Imaging to explore structural brain differences between the groups. The liars had significantly more "white matter" and slightly less "gray matter" than those they were measured against, Raine said.

Specifically, liars had a 25.7 percent increase in prefrontal white matter compared to the antisocial controls and a 22 percent increase compared to the normal controls. Liars had a 14.2 percent decrease in prefrontal gray matter compared to normal controls.

More white matter – the wiring in the brain – may provide liars with the tools necessary to master the complex art of deceit, Raine said.

"Lying takes a lot of effort," he said.

"It's almost mind reading. You have to be able to understand the mindset of the other person. You also have to suppress your emotions or regulate them because you don't want to appear nervous. There's quite a lot to do there. You've got to suppress the truth.

"Our argument is that the more networking there is in the prefrontal cortex, the more the person has an upper hand in lying. Their verbal skills are higher. They've almost got a natural advantage."

But in normal people, it's the gray matter – or the brain cells connected by the white matter – that helps keep the impulse to lie in check.

Pathological liars have a surplus of white matter, the study found, and a deficit of gray matter. That means they have more tools to lie coupled with fewer moral restraints than normal people, Raine said.

"They've got the equipment to lie, and they don't have the disinhibition that the rest of us have in telling the big whoppers," he said.

"When people make moral decisions, they are relying on the prefrontal cortex. When people ask normal people to make moral decisions, we see activation in the front of the brain," he explained. "If these liars have a 14 percent reduction in gray matter, that means that they are less likely to care about moral issues or are less likely to be able to process moral issues. Having more gray matter would keep a check on these activities."

The researchers stopped short of asserting that these structural differences account for all lying.

"This is one of the components," Raine said.

"The findings need to be replicated and extended to other parts of the brain. What are the other neurobiological processes?

"We haven't had studies like this. It's exciting to us because it's a beginning study, but we need a lot more to flesh out this discovery."

Yang, the study's lead author, said the findings eventually could be used in making clinical diagnoses and may have applications in the criminal justice system and the business world.

"If [the findings] can be replicated and extended, they may have long-term implications in a number of areas," said Yang, a doctoral student in the USC department of psychology's brain and cognitive science program.

"For example, in the legal system they could potentially be used to help police work out which suspects are lying. In terms of clinical practice, they could help clinicians diagnose who is malingering – making up disability for financial gain. "And also in business, they could assist in pre-employment screening, working out which individuals may not be suitable for hiring.

"But, right now, I have to emphasize that there are no direct practical applications," she said.

In their journal article, the authors mention that separate studies of autistic children – who typically have trouble lying – have showed the converse pattern of gray matter/white matter ratios.

"The facts that autistic children have difficulty lying and also show reduced prefrontal white matter constitutes the opposite but complementary pattern of the results compared to adults with increased prefrontal white matter who find it easy to lie," the researchers wrote.

"Although autism is a complex condition and cannot be taken as a model for lying, these results … converge with current findings on adult liars in suggesting that the prefrontal cortex is centrally involved in the capacity to lie."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-09/uosc-feo092805.php

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment tango
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Haven't you heard? Austerity to Europeans (and apparently Americans) means raising taxes.  I'm not exactly sure how that qualifies under the definition of austerity but as long as we pretend, it's all OK.  Notice that despite the evil austerity, the size of the State has not shrunk and its impact in the economy has only increased - an odd situation for "austerity".    

These idiots have not figure out that removing ANY monies from the private sector (rich or poor) has the same effect - less capital, less spending, less savings, less investment. 

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 17:45 | Link to Comment midtowng
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Greece HAS cut government spending. Their health care system is in a state of collapse and wages have fallen, especially for public workers, by 30% or more.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 19:15 | Link to Comment Motorhead
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Ja mas!

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Yeah, but Obama Bro as got Imself A Plan To FiX it all Man!

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
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Sudden - your statement has been construed as racist by Al Sharpton of MSNBC.

Section 48-111-22 of the new health care bill states that racism is a mental disorder. You will be required by the state to be injected with Soma-Tex a new psychotropic wonder drug jointly developed by Sandoz and Pfizer. Don't worry it has been proven effective by tests given at Pelican Bay maximum security prison. Members of the Aryan brotherhood were seen partying with the black gorilla family after treatment. That is of course, the members that survived the treatment.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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U mad bro?

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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They will raise taxes on the rich.  It will fail.  Then they'll say they have no choice and they'll raise taxes on everyone.

It's for the children.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 19:56 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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It dopesn't matter WHAT the tax rate is if NOBODY PAYS IT.  The rich in Greece have been masters at tax avoidance -they don't pay the current taxes rthey owe - what makes you think they're gonna pay any more?  Government has been sitting on  - trying to lose actually) a list of Greeks with Swiss bank accounts.... seems like the latest version in government hands was 'edited' to remove certain government officials....  

It's a charade to raise taxes on the rich when they avod it or don;t pay it  - here in the US the uber-wealthy don;t pay squat.  It's the upper middle class that get screwed - they pay the maximum while the poor get benefits and the wealthy hire accountants and lawyers to shelter their income.  But in Greece they don't even go that far - they  rich simply don't pay.   Where else do you have people putting camouflage nets over swimming pools to avoid detecion by tax officials checking satteliite photos?

Hard to have too much sympathy for Greece - those at the bottom milked the system like mad when the gov had access to cheap money courtesy of the EU (which Greece got into only by faking economioc numbers - with Goldman's help) while the rich never paid ANY share, mucjh less a fair one.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Tax the flu

tax the rich

BUT DO NOT TAX ANY TAKERS.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Bwahahahahahahaha at party workers...

Faith Collapsing

 

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Japan's "mulling" the same thing.  I guess every indebted nation wants to drive the rich to Thailand and Singapore...or Russia.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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Legendary tales still spun
Greece

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Soon EVERYBODY with a job will officially be called rich.

Damn this bowl with that frog is really starting to bubble right now...

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
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Thus we have a non-inflation indexed AMT.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
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As we all know, here's the problem

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asRDOhgN70Q

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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At which point will people with money figure out that they can't hide their money in any offshore bank?

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Maybe now the rich should head for the streets and start riot burning the shit out of Athens?

just a idea....

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Landrew
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I agree with you, it's a great thing that 51% of all young people in Greece are without jobs! Maybe the rich could intro death camps to alleviate the joblessness? Yeah, we rich should never pay our way. The rich don't need consumers do they. I say close the schools, roads ,bridges and airports. The rich already have private planes they don't need us. The rich don't need humans, WE have robots and automation now. We really don't need you and it shows:)

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Deacon Frost
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Well SD, to quote

F. Scott Fitzgerald’s 1925 short story titled “The Rich Boy”.

"Let me tell you about the very rich.  They are different from you and me.  They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand.                                                                                  They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are, because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we are. They are different."

http://gutenberg.net.au/fsf/THE-RICH-BOY.html

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Landrew
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Yeah, that's right the rich have done such a great job in creating jobs over the last five years! We wouldn't want billionaires to pay taxes would we. It's nice that Microsoft can pay 13% taxes in Ireland. We don't need them to pay their way here in the country that provides them with the schools, health care, roads, property rights and military to back up international rights? I say the jobless and homeless should pay all the taxes.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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How long ago was it when you lost your job?

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Landrew
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Working since 9 without stop even during school. Put myself through school and my son. You may never have had to work like the rest of us. Tha'ts ok it's important to have TAKERS. 

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Landrew
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Just for the record I am in the top 5% but realize I didn't get there without the help and sweet of others. Having lived in South America and seeing what the very rich do to people there. Before we turn this great country into Chile or Mexico it's time for a change.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Except for gun control, we would be better off being like Chile.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Landrew
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I lived there! GO fuck yourself! I have lived in Chile NOT a vacation, LIVED there and lived in France and here in the GREAT country of the U.S.A. and I tell you go live in Chile and you will be back in six months ha! I would rather live in France then Chile having done both. France is a paradise compared to Chile. I still will go back to work and turn down job offers and I will still come home until the BILLIONAIRES fuck this country beyond repair! You don't know but most of us here on Z.H. have more in common with the guy who works and lives in his car then the BANKSTERS! Billionaires don't give a crap about you but, I do even if you have no clue what your talking about:)

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 23:55 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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The problem with idiots like you and the OWS crowd is that you lump people who make $200K a year in with Warren Buffett, Google, Soros, and GE. People who make $200K are in the 1% and pay a shitload of taxes. Google and Buffett do not because they transfer the profits offshore or hire 1000 tax attorneys. 

 

Now let's talk about the jobs that 0bozo's trillion dollar deficits has created the past 5 years. There are fewer Americans working than 20 years ago even though the population has increased by 50 million people

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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All taxes should be voluntary.

Otherwise it is slavery, political slavery.

New slavery, same as the old slavery.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment oddball
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Taxes are voluntary, you can leave the USA anytime you want.  </sarc>

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:18 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Working on it.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 23:56 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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There is an exit tax, or didn't you know?

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment oddball
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Absolutely.  Did you miss the </sarc> tag?   

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
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It will come to a consumption tax. None will be spared.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
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The least advantaged will create local scrip to defeat such a tax.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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The "rich" don't pay taxes. They pay their CPAs.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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So change the tax code and stop fucking complaining that people want to keep what they worked hard for. If they're not breaking any laws, they've done nothing wrong.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:43 | Link to Comment oddball
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Change the tax code, and what, throw out the carrot?  You must be kidding?

Next you are going to tell me voting matters.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Tango in the Blight
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True, you're pretty dumb if you pay taxes when you're rich. There are so many constructions with foreign Ltd's which you can abuse. Even people who are not-so-rich use them to hide their true wealth.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 23:57 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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Are you talking about the $250K a year rich like the democrats or the real rich like Buffet, Gates and Soros?

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
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Because barter cannot be enforced in even the most local of economies.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:36 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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While it's heating up in Asia...

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/N_Korea_tells_China_planning_nuclear_t...

N. Korea tells China planning nuclear test: report
"We've heard a North Korean official in Beijing told the Chinese side that the North planned to carry out a nuclear test between January 13-20," the Joongang Ilbo daily quoted an unidentified Seoul official as saying.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment Chartist
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You either pay a living wage that allows folks to pay more in tax, or you tax the guy who pays a minimum wage more...You can't have it both ways.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Unstable Condition
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...or you could cut spending.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 16:29 | Link to Comment Chartist
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No you cannot.  That's exploitation. 

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
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@Chartist

Bravo!!

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Paying a living wage, living retirement, and living healthcare benefits with other people's money, is what got them into this mess.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment the misanthrope
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what constitutes a living wage ? or better yet, who decides ? some paper pusher at central HQ? is your living wage the same as mine? what fucking crap. so pay them a little more so you can tax them a little more. just what one usually hears from a statist / collectivist. how about putting an end to those things that cause what was once a living wage to become unlivable? why is it so bad to let people keep the fruits of their labour, and decide what they want to do with it? and if it fucks a few things up, so what? you can't legislate morality. everyone can decide on their own. get rid of the parasites and the fucking paper creators / pushers.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 16:28 | Link to Comment Chartist
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It's a zero sum game....A guy who owns a chain of restaurants can pay minimum wage to folks serving french fries.  He's gonna have to pay more tax to support the system who will provide the safety net for the folks serving those french fries.  OR, he's gonna pay a much higher wage.  Anything else is exploitation.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 21:30 | Link to Comment the misanthrope
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only marxists and statists think trade or the economy is zero sum. from your writing you seem to think everything is either / or - black or white - 0 or 1. did you read what you wrote there? what the fuck does that even mean? the guy who runs the store hires someone to sell his goods, someone who perhaps did not have job before. now he does. how is that zero sum?

here i am digging away using my hands and a small metal can. day after day. then someone comes along and says check this out and shows me what is essentially a shovel. i don't have any extra goods at the moment, so he agrees to loan me the shovel and will come back after some time for payment. how will I pay him? well, since it now takes me less time to do the same amount of work, I can produce more and either have more time off, or can produce something else (or the same thing) with my extra time. and i can pay him for the shovel. it's a positive sum you dumb ass. no one was exploited. both of us are happy with the exchange. that is what the free market allows.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 21:32 | Link to Comment the misanthrope
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dup

oh and i have not junked you - even though you deserve it.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Margaret Thatcher on Socialism

These brief exchanges took place during Margaret Thatcher's last speech in the House of Commons on 22 November 1990.

 

Look familiar?

http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=108256

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Unpopular Truth
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Much of Greece's spending is on retirements; people who have put money in all their lives; and have been promised retirement payments in return.

The AARP would not let such cuts here... why would Greeks do that?

The deeper problem is the government managing retirements.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:04 | Link to Comment Unstable Condition
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Funny how Ponzi schemes tend to go belly up.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment JJ McApe
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Greece cheated its way into the EU.

There are massive loopholes in the lousy tax system, there was so much corruption everywhere. It will take a while to reach real EU standars like in Western Europe.

They have to rebuild a completely new tax system, close al loopholes, privatize companies to make them profitable. Clean out the corrupted governments. It's a long way to go but after all the bad times - good times will come too. Even if it takes more than one or two decades.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Unpopular Truth
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Indeed!
But we also have loopholes here. Should we also be doing all that?

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Unpopular Truth
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Indeed!
But we also have loopholes here. Should we also be doing all that?

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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There are no loopholes in their system because to put it simply they don't have a system of collection, enforcement and punishment.

Tax inspectors would cut deals every day of the week when conducting business audits. Thus a 100,000 tax bill would be reduced to 25,000 plus 10,000 for the inspector. This I know from first hand.

To make matters worse, the high rate of VAT at over 20% is at a rate that encourages evasion.

 

 

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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Increases in taxes combined with decreases in income and benefits means that many Greeks are surviving on a fraction of their former take home pay.

If anything, their parliament needs to shrink from the currently bloated number of 300 leeches. That is the true test of their commitment to restoring equity. Shrink the cancer that metastasized into every aspect of Greek society.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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It's so bad now that even Riot Dog is unemployed.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment q99x2
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If they would imprison all Goldman Sacks and other Wall St. financial employees and assets they would begin to recover. Any relatives of Rothschilds and Rockefellers imprisoned would be a big windfall as well. 

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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As Doug Casey has said many times: "they're not just doing the wrong thing, they're doing exactly the opposite of the right thing".

Naturally, things can and must get much worse if one believes that to be true.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:34 | Link to Comment Your Creator
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Anybody yipping about wanting to raise taxes should be taxed 100% of assets.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Nussi34
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Why should tax rates in Greece be lower than in Germany, who is paying for them? It is really funny how some now complain that they have to pay too high (or any?) taxes... Given the success of collecting taxes the Greeks will not notice big differences...

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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HAHAHAHA

These are the same Greeks parading around with German Nazi insults and blaming Germany for all the crap.

Get real Greece.

Your own STINKING CORRUPT NEPOTISM has helped you get where you are, but you don't want to fix that.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 20:08 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Correction: Despotism

Think Brussels..

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