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As NSA Pairs With Banks To "Fight Hackers", Will It Also Gain Access To Every American's Financial Secrets?

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Just because there was not enough encroachment by the government into virtually every corner of private life, here is another "collaboration" that will further enmesh big brother into every aspect of private life, in this case private financial life, because as the WaPo reports, "major U.S. banks have turned to the National Security Agency for help protecting their computer systems after a barrage of assaults that have disrupted their Web sites, according to industry officials. The attacks on the sites, which started about a year ago but intensified in September, have grown increasingly sophisticated, officials said. The NSA, the world’s largest electronic spying agency, has been asked to provide technical assistance to help banks further assess their systems and to better understand the attackers’ tactics."

And while we salute the great diversionary pretext that "Iranian hackers" pose a greater risk to the stability of the US financial system than, say, the ongoing monetization of US debt at a pace of $85 billion per month, which has made the Fed's DV01 rise to a mindboggling $2.75 billion, or idiot pundits who claim all American problems can be resolved with one coin, we can't help but wonder what happens when the most intrusive of US spy agencies, one which as reported last year is free "to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store" virtually every electronic communication in the entire world, now has full explicit access to all bank data, and, incidentally, every American's financial snapshot at any given moment?

More on the official spin:

The cooperation between the NSA and banks, industry officials say, underscores the government’s fears about the unprecedented assault against the financial sector and is part of a broader effort by the government to work with U.S. firms on cybersecurity. Nonetheless, the assistance is likely to dismay privacy advocates, who say that the NSA has no business peering inside private companies’ systems, even if for the strict purpose of improving computer security.


U.S. intelligence officials said last year they believe the attacks against the banks and other companies have been carried out by Iran, although some experts have cautioned that it is difficult to accurately determine who is behind them.


The banks whose Web sites have been disrupted include Bank of America, PNC Bank, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, HSBC and SunTrust. In recent weeks, attackers have targeted up to seven banks a day, but only on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays.

So Monday and Friday are holy days for Iranian hackers we take it?

It appears that the private anti-hacker sector is completely powerless to withstand this massive onslaught of millions of Iranian hackers hell bent on seeing just how much money the average American has in their Bank of America online account page:

The banks whose Web sites have been disrupted include Bank of America, PNC Bank, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, HSBC and SunTrust. In recent weeks, attackers have targeted up to seven banks a day, but only on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays.

Enter the NSA, which has generously agreed to provide its expertise in learning all there is to know about everyone's finances thwarting evil Iranian hacks.

The government’s willingness to engage “is emblematic of how these cyber-related risks are evolving,” the bank official said. “Agencies like the NSA have tremendous expertise for very sophisticated types of information-security programs.”


In general, it can provide assistance to private-sector companies when their systems are seen as critical to national security, said Richard George, a former computer security official at the NSA. The request must come from a government agency, such as the Treasury Department or the Department of Homeland Security, that has authority to work with the company.

But don't worry - the NSA is with the government, and it is here to help:

“The dual mission of the NSA, to promote security and to pursue surveillance, creates an intractable privacy problem,” said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center.


Former NSA officials say privacy concerns are overblown and note that requests for NSA assistance are denied when there is no national security interest at stake. George said that, over the past decade, the agency has aided about 10 companies a year after their networks were compromised.


“If NSA is involved [with the banks], it’s because they would love to see what’s happening on the victim’s side,” a second former defense official said. “There’s probably more for the government to learn than to give.”

In conclusion:

The NSA declined to comment for this article beyond a statement saying that the agency provides assistance “in full compliance with all applicable laws and regulations.”

Enlighten us, please, which applicable laws and regulations are these? The same ones that give the government the right to detain citizens indefinitely. Or the one granting it the right to spy and monitor all Americans' emails and calls without a warrant? Because we are confused.


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Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:13 | 3148989 FeralSerf
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Big Brother strikes again.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:16 | 3148998 francis_sawyer
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Crash & Burn bitchez!... [some will understand the reference]...

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:20 | 3149004 greased up deaf guy
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time for a blue pill and victory gin chaser. this round's on me, boys!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:24 | 3149015 Skateboarder
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Down with Emmanuel Goldstein!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:43 | 3149072 zerozulu
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Iranian hacker pose a greater risk to the stability of the US financial system..


Let me correct it.  American bankers pose a greater risk to the stability of the US financial system...

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:02 | 3149103 A Nanny Moose
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The Feral Gubmint poses the greatist risk to the US financial system. The bankers could not be doing what they are doing without the legal constructs set in place by the Feral Gubmint.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:15 | 3149129 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"The Feral Gubmint"

I see what you did there.....

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:29 | 3149149 Kitler
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Globally there have ben over 120,000 arrests from the use of post 9/11 anti-terror laws resulting in 35,000 convictions.

Mostly for peaceful demonstration BTW.

Does anyone truly believe that the NSA won't violate your personal privacy?

Does anyone still believe that Bernanke's QE does not amount to printing money?

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:32 | 3149156 Buckaroo Banzai
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Anybody else notice that a prominent activist and coder (and alleged hacker) Aaron Swartz, was found hanged in is apartment?

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:39 | 3149167 Shell Game
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+1  The subterfuge is thick..

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:46 | 3149183 cranky-old-geezer
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The NSA, the world’s largest electronic spying agency ...

... that couldn't even detect 19 arabs with boxcutters planning to hijack 3 commercial airliners.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:58 | 3149313 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Sun, 01/13/2013 - 22:03 | 3149748 espirit
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"In recent weeks, attackers have targeted up to seven banks a day, but only on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays."

I'm all for three day work weeks, mainly because a partime job is all I could get.  Fight Club, bitchez. 

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:58 | 3149205 Kitler
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Regardless of the circumstances surrounding his death we lost one of the best and brightest 'good guys' last Friday.

He will be dearly missed.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:18 | 3149249 Chupacabra-322
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The NSA, the world’s largest electronic spying agency, has been asked to provide technical assistance to help banks further assess their systems and to better understand the attackers’ tactics."


The NSA, the world’s largest electronic spying agency, has been providing technical assistance to help banks further assess their systems and to better understand the attackers’ tactics."

The Fasciat's have been busy little Criminals.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 19:40 | 3149520 Jendrzejczyk
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My NSA subcontractor friend assures me at every opportunity that they have massive amounts of training and strict rules prohibiting them from even peeking at a US citizen's information. "One slip and the mistake goes directly to Congress".

When asked why all electronic communications by US citizens are being archived, he begins to mumble and says "just don't go to the 'wrong type' of sites and you have nothing to worry about".

You are being watched. You are being spied upon. You are being photographed and filmed as you drive. Your actions are being archived.

You are being turned into a criminal/felon.

The only unknown is when they will pick you out, and what "crime" you will be nailed to a cross for.

(God damned paranoid fucker I've become)

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 20:10 | 3149556 cynicalskeptic
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You're only paranoid if it turns out they're NOT out to get you......   so far the evidence is mounting that 'they' are - unless you are a mindless subservient, unquestioning servant of the state (and even then you can be declared an 'enemy' if it suits some larger 'purpose' defined by the state).

Every siongle person who stood at Lexington and Concord, every person serving the COntinental Cogress would be considered a 'terrorist' - and all the actions taken by the British would be considereed 'lawful and appropriate' in the world we now live in.   The concept that government CAN do WRONG and should be held accountable for its actions is now lost.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 20:36 | 3149617 Jendrzejczyk
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Paranoia loves company. :)

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 21:31 | 3149699 Greyhat
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Yes, they can! :)

The paranoid love to know your companions!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 22:18 | 3149763 Jendrzejczyk
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Haven't finished watching the whole vid yet, but thanks so far.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 00:06 | 3149907 Real Estate Geek
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  . . . just don't go to the 'wrong type' of sites and you have nothing to worry about.

I'm thinking that ZH isn't on their white list.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 18:15 | 3149417 lewy14
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Yes, Buckaroo, I did.

I can't imagine the grief his parents must feel. It's not right to have to bury your child. 

But... this is an opportunity for the nominally opposed political fanbois and ragebois of all strikes to learn that we all hang together, or we all hang separately.

First they came for the {Commies, Libtards, Occupiers, Libertards, Paulbots, Teabaggers, Neocons}, but I did nothing, because I was not a...

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 22:39 | 3149781 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Very sad. He seems to have been an exceptional person. Exactly the kind of person TPTB hate and fear. 

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 23:36 | 3149858 Slightly Insane
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Buckaroo Banzai,

also coincidence ..... John Noveski - prominent gun builder and manufacturer (high quality, very accurate military grade weapons ideal for sniping) was killed in a mysterious car accident, after drawing a link between drugs (psychotropic?) and the Adam Lanza.   I heard of another unusual "suicide" or "death", but for the time being my alzheimer's kicked in.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:02 | 3149106 tickhound
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I pledge allegiance to the NSA, and the United Banks of America.

And as for the Public, on which it stands,


under Skynet,


Providing security and data collection for all...

important high net worth clients.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:13 | 3149335 fockewulf190
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All this story does for me is confirm that stacking Phyzz is the only way to go. 

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:08 | 3149119 CH1
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The infrastructure of fascism is nearly complete.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:00 | 3149317 Umh
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Who was last seen hiding out in obscure African nations. He appears to be criss crossing the continent; we have him on the run.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:32 | 3149037 DoChenRollingBearing
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Cash and Gold bitchez!  And I mean real CA$H and physical gold, personally held.  As the article above shows, it is getting harder each day to trust the banks.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:33 | 3149157 Kreditanstalt
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Good advice...and fine for semi-prepper semi-retirees like myself.  But millions of people are paid by direct deposit linked to credit and debit cards & are trapped...

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 21:42 | 3149721 Harbanger
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There's always a choice.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 21:56 | 3149099 vast-dom
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it would be more advantageous and profitable for our insolvent ponzi government to have the NSA help where it is actually needed: THE SEC. But then again, it would defy the self-serving corrupt nature of Washington DC (ie Wall St) to actually have the NSA facilitate the SEC in order to even start to do their work, rather than watch porn all day. 

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:27 | 3149352 BandGap
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What fucking secrets? They are not even close to bleeding us dry. They will go after "secrets" when it becomes more difficult to fleece the herd.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 20:24 | 3149591 sun tzu
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The socialists and neocons are loving this police state

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 21:39 | 3149712 Harbanger
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It's their baby.  Problem is they're all suicidal.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:13 | 3148990 NidStyles
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You guys are aware that the NSA writes the majority of the backbone and database code for the banks already, right? They've been writing it siince the before mid-90's.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:14 | 3148995 john39
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government must obey its master....  the banker cabal.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:31 | 3149255 Chupacabra-322
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The Global Criminal Cabal Crime Syndicate.  It has a nice ring to it. 

Total Complete Full Spectrum Dominance is their goal through Divide and Conquering the masses. 

Linking the Criminal Intelligence, Bankster, Governmental, Economic, Political system through PsyOp, , BlackOps, Espionage, Murder, Drug Trade, Blackmail, Racketering, Torture, Illegal Wars, Human/Child Trafficing, Rape all while keeping the Slaves Divided and Conquered.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:33 | 3149042 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ NidStyles

Link?  Thx!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:03 | 3149108 Lumberjack
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Maybe this will help.


  1. CryptoKids® America's Future Codemakers & Codebreakers

    National Security Agency Kids Page.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:51 | 3149299 NidStyles
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No links, because I have friends that may have worked for some security agency in the past that probably should have not have said the things that I heard while drinking with him in the dorms at his school while he had his particular ident card sitting on the fridge where I put the beers I had brought.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:13 | 3148991 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Moar government!!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:14 | 3148996 Half_A_Billion_...
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answer is yes.  


But not to bitcoin.




Internet's on fire with another great victory for Inverted Totalitarianism:  Aaron Swartz has hanged himself over the government BS case.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:25 | 3149023 FeralSerf
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AKA assisted suicide.

They lie, they cheat, they steal, and they kill.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:39 | 3149064 bank guy in Brussels
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Perhaps indeed another fake US 'suicide' -

Article specifically charging that the recent death of 26-year-old hacker and Reddit co-founder, Aaron Swartz, already under legal persecution by the US In-'Justice' Department, was a murder, not a self-hanging ... Part of a US programme against the computer dissidents

Piece on an Irish often-bashed 'conspiracy' site, but makes sense ... how many young people would really *choose* a slow death by strangulation hanging, even if they were suicidal?

And now such a murder is *legal* under US law if Obama ordered it

'Obama Regime Orders Computer Genius Aaron Swartz Suicided'

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:37 | 3149165 PhysicalRealm
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You're right that many are suicided, but the article you cite is by Sorcha Faal -- a known disinfo agent.


Aaron was bullied to death by the US gov for possibly liberating some academic papers.  He was threatened with as much as 30 years of incarceration - an unreasonable punishment. There was no hacking involved. We lost this brilliant young man because our government is so terrified of that level of intelligence, and of the internet.  Please read these:


Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:34 | 3149360 tip e. canoe
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Large corporations, of course, are blinded by greed. The laws under which they operate require it — their shareholders would revolt at anything less. And the politicians they have bought off back them, passing laws giving them the exclusive power to decide who can make copies. There is no justice in following unjust laws. It’s time to come into the light and, in the grand tradition of civil disobedience, declare our opposition to this private theft of public culture.

- Aaron Swartz, July 2008, Eremo, Italy

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 23:59 | 3149897 Real Estate Geek
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. . . but other than that, they're perfectly lovely people!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:27 | 3149027 otto skorzeny
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so I guess the old "shot self 2x in back of head and then jumped from 10th floor" suicide is now being updated to something more believable

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 20:02 | 3149547 FeralSerf
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They wasted way too much shill time explaining how Vince Foster wiped his fingerprints off his gun after killing himself.  The new crew is more "professional".

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:37 | 3150809 monad
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"I'll be right back." - Vince Foster's last known words, to his secretary

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:19 | 3149003 johngaltfla
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They already have it. The NSA database in Utah is designed to "capture" all transactions. However, the government only selectively reviews the data when it needs to.  Thus if you do anything electronically it has a registered fingerprint with the .gov. To make matters worse, look for prohibitions against large cash transations to come as the government attempts to prepare us for a new taxation regime where all sales, VAT, and income taxes are executed at the point of sale along with paycheck issuance, etc. In the end, the .gov plan is to eradicate the 1040 nonsense, corporate tax gaming performed by small S types and individual filers and collect the minute money begins to move.


The only freedom you will have is that where you engage in business with a like minded soul because before it is over, cash will become illegal to use for the majority of transactions.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:36 | 3149051 DoChenRollingBearing
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Gold.  Silver.  Ammo.

Even CA$H, before it's too late.  Time's a wastin'...

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:12 | 3149126 CH1
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However, the government only selectively reviews the data when it needs to

Don't bank on it, John. A few thousand sycophant engineers are working up new algorithms as we speak.

The Pre-Crime modules will be added soon, if they're not being loaded already.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:03 | 3149319 hidingfromhelis
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Why am I envisioning a sting operation where four full time FBI agents spend 2 months  enticing me to pay cash for a dozen eggs from my neighbor, produced by their backyard chickens?  If you see something, say something!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:42 | 3149369 tip e. canoe
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this is the psyops portion of the Plan: to make you think twice before you pay cash to buy eggs from your neighbor.   but since you would be using FRN's in this example, technically, you would be breaking the "Law".

i'll sell ya a dozen eggs for a quarter:


Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:13 | 3149237 seek
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Exactly. It's difficult to imagine anyone seriously believes they don't already have access to this data.

However, I'm sure it's reviewed in near real-time, just like the credit card companies analyze transactions for fraud signatures, I'm positive the government is analyzing banking transactions for all sorts of different classifications.

Cash, AU, barter, bitcoin. A thousand years of history and black markets show that in spite of government beliefs to the contrary, free financial transactions can't be prevented.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:20 | 3149008 wandstrasse
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Ministry of Plenty, Ministry of Love, Ministry of Truth - here we come.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:35 | 3149012 zilverreiger
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the cyber 9/11 casus belli : iran ddosses JPM and JPM pulls the rug from under the economy

blame goes on iran





Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:24 | 3149016 Gunga
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Nullification at the individual, county and state level is one way to fight the feral government. We need to starve the beast and it's corporate sponsors.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:25 | 3149019 A Lunatic
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I closed out my accounts last week. Gotta stay on top of these corrupt Fascist Mother Fuckers I tell ya.....

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:26 | 3149025 otto skorzeny
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starting to cash out my IRAs and depositing in the Bank of Stearns and Foster.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:37 | 3149060 DoChenRollingBearing
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That is a good move otto.  I cashed out of my IRA years ago, paid the taxes and penalties, but now the money is MINE.  Or at least it was until my recent ice-fishing accident.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:44 | 3149373 tip e. canoe
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those damn tippy canoes

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:43 | 3149173 formadesika3
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You're engaged in crime of pre-profiteering, according to three minority reports.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 20:11 | 3149558 victor82
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Gotta hand it to the Jews. Packed briefcase, a raincoat, and an umbrella by the front door.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 20:11 | 3149559 victor82
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Gotta hand it to the Jews. Packed briefcase, a raincoat, and an umbrella by the front door.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 00:04 | 3149901 Real Estate Geek
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But where to go?  America is gone.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 02:23 | 3150046 MeelionDollerBogus
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Uruguay, Chile, Canada ... Singapore, Thailand ...some say Burma but I seriously question that.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 03:07 | 3150066 formadesika3
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"But where to go? America is gone."

America is asleep.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:30 | 3149021 otto skorzeny
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I think the Iranians are hacking into bank accounts just to have a good laugh at how little petrodollars the average Amurican has saved up. Then they go back to saying a big FU to Uncle Sam as they stock up on payments for their oil from the Chinese and Indians in gold. Next up-"Operation Persian Freedom".

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:31 | 3149035 FeralSerf
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I think the Zionists are hacking into bank accounts to keep the livestock agitated not knowing where their next meal or rent payment is coming from.  The livestock will then beg Big Brother to help them protect their bank accounts.  The wolf will then diligently guard his flock of sheep, feasting therefrom as desired.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:35 | 3149040 A Lunatic
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Iranian hackers=Anonymous=NSA...........It's just a matter of which entity best fits the narrative of the day. Make no mistake, it all ends with a Police State, lots of arrests at zero dark thirty, and a shitload of misery; for you and me......

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:00 | 3149101 Dugald
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Must be just so wonderfull to be an American, and with such a rosy future.....

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:14 | 3149241 formadesika3
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Growing political, economic, military, ties between China and Iran.

Israel theatens war with Iran.

Israel seeks pledges of assistance against Iran from US, but without success.

Then-PM of Japan, Shinzo Abe, visits Yasukuni Shrine 2006, thus insulting China.

Shinzo Abe supports independence of Taiwan and strengthening of Japanese SDF.

Japan and China dispute over Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands heating up 2013.

US obligated by treaty to provide military assistance to Japan.

Shinzo Abe reelected PM in December 2012 voicing tough stance on Senkaku Islands.

Abe = Abraham.



Sun, 01/13/2013 - 19:56 | 3149543 formadesika3
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evil Scar sez:

iTroll, bitchez.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 20:13 | 3149560 victor82
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No, no. The Banksters have chosen Left Wing front men, er, "persons", this go-round. It's not a "rosy" future, it's the "Radiant" future!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 21:44 | 3149726 Curiously_Crazy
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Nah. With very few exceptions Anonymous are just a group of bored kids who couldn't hack their way out of a paper bag. All they do are ddos attacks and fuck all else. That's why they were totally outgunned trying to 'takedown' an onion routing system (Tor) a few years back. Silly bastards didn't even know how the protocol worked and they blatently just made shit up for their pastbin posts.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:30 | 3149031 SilverDOG
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Frankly, I don't give a damn.

Get off, out, away from, independent of; THE SYSTEM.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:16 | 3149132 CH1
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Get off, out, away from, independent of; THE SYSTEM.


Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:48 | 3149380 tip e. canoe
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You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.  - bucky

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:31 | 3149036 brockhardman
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Headine for March, 2013 - Iran hacks US banks and money goes missing.  There is no trace of where it went, but security experts are sure it was Iran.  Or Russia.  Yeah, it was definitely one of those two.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:35 | 3149045 tooriskytoinvest
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BREAKING & CONFIRMED: Wal Mart Is NOT Going To Order Any More Ammo.


Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:41 | 3149066 otto skorzeny
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that's dicked up. I wonder if the US will cut off ammo imports from Russia-they produce alot of it over there.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:08 | 3149116 lakecity55
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We will probably see an EO very soon prohibiting any importation of ammunition.

Maybe within 10 days.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:21 | 3149140 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Can't buy any .223 anywhere.  Shelves are bare.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:51 | 3149196 smlbizman
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sounds like a tremendous oppurtunity for the re-loader guy.......

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:27 | 3150580 IrritableBowels
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Sun, 01/13/2013 - 20:15 | 3149563 victor82
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Which just goes to prove that we have a government that knows nothing about Black Markets.

Except for Soros, who will buy up Kalashnikov and start smuggling AK's into the U.S. to make a quick profit.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 19:52 | 3149532 Sabibaby
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BREAKING & CONFIRMED: Wal Mart Is NOT Going To Order Any More Ammo.


This is not true. I have confirmed this with four different Walmarts .


Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:37 | 3149050 jonjon831983
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"Whistle-Blower Outs NSA Spy Room"

2006 article

"Klein's job eventually included connecting internet circuits to a splitting cabinet that led to the secret room. During the course of that work, he learned from a co-worker that similar cabinets were being installed in other cities, including Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego.

"While doing my job, I learned that fiber optic cables from the secret room were tapping into the Worldnet (AT&T's internet service) circuits by splitting off a portion of the light signal," Klein wrote.

The split circuits included traffic from peering links connecting to other internet backbone providers, meaning that AT&T was also diverting traffic routed from its network to or from other domestic and international providers, according to Klein's statement."

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:19 | 3149137 CH1
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Isn't it amazing that this has been known since 2006, and yet almost no one knows?

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:10 | 3149232's picture

I knew but no one listens to me. Except the NSA, of course. Hi guys!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 18:27 | 3149430 Umh
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Long before 2006.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:36 | 3149053 Kaiser Sousa
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yeap, yet another reason among all the others to vacate as much as possible from the bankers fractional reserve system and institutions...

by the time those who havent finally realized it was always designed to enslave them in a myriad of ways it will b much too late...

and man im so dumb for stacking real money beyond the reach of our banker controlled government, its Treasury Dept, the banks and the parasitc Criminal Reserve...

dumb, dumb, dumb........... 

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:36 | 3149056 Klazy Plick
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Crime, once again, the hand inside the government glove.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:38 | 3149062 palmereldritch
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More synthetic terrorism/false flags as a reason to advance the police state into new realms.

Internet, meet your TSA.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:39 | 3149063 de3de8
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Just more evidence that will never be the same.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:43 | 3149070 otto skorzeny
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brave new world

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:33 | 3149274 Bob
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Seems like a toss-up as long as we don't resist and they don't bust the buck:

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:41 | 3149067 Michelle
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Interestingly a large segment of the Hispanic population is unbanked, guess they don't want to be tracked here in the U.S. Is it Big Brother or deportation? I'll take the latter. Since I don't have to worry about deportation then why does Big Brother care how much or little I have? Honestly I don't think they care as they can gain access to that information anyway via the IRS. Brokerage firms are already reporting both sides of trades now, all financial records have the ability to be subpeoned if I'm charged with tax evasion. As distrusting as I am of the government, I believe that financial terrorism is the true reason the NSA is involved now in the bank website hacking issue, but the bigger question is who is doing the hacking? Certainly the truth of the cause will never surface, that I am sure of.


Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:47 | 3149078 otto skorzeny
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I think the root of it is really that .gov is getting desperate and the shit is getting out of hand. they want to know where every penny is at as far as tax reasons and i am sure they would love to go to a cashless society. capital controls are already being enacted (unless you are juiced in Romney or a congressman) and the physical border of the US may be porous as hell but the monetary border will be airtight

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 19:56 | 3149542 Sabibaby
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So your saying CONgress will continue to pay druglords for their steady supply of cocain.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:49 | 3149080 jonjon831983
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Not to say hispanic population is only population getting any benefits etc, but if it was wanted people using paper can be eventually pushed towards the convenience of electronic transactions.

"To keep getting your benefits check, sign up for electronic delivery"



Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:41 | 3149068 Seasmoke
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get out and buy your own personal LOCKBOX

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:44 | 3149073 curious1
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I am sick of these dual mandates....

“The dual mission of the NSA, to promote security and to pursue surveillance, creates an intractable privacy problem,” said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:36 | 3149277 Bob
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Whaddya mean--that Maximum Employment mandate of the Fed has been great!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:53 | 3149076 l1b3rty
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This is complete, with systems like Echelon in Europe. We all have our own cute Avatar in the digital world, and if you're a working man or woman, your whereabouts: hardly a mystery.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:47 | 3149079 Number 156
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Now, they will see detailed information on every bank transaction. They wont need to worry about tracking purchases of gold or silver anymore.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 20:19 | 3149571 victor82
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Smart buyers and sellers of physical will be doing their transactions strictly in cash and carry from now on. That's how I'll be doing it.

Of course, the banksters don't care; they own the scam; it's the small-timers they want to run out of the market they way they had FDR do it for them back in the Thirties.

As fiat goes down the crapper, however, confiscation of phyiscal IS coming.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 04:14 | 3150093 Number 156
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Dont forget thet they will see the date, the time, the ATM location, probably your photograph along with the amount of the withdraw you made before you either bought something, or stuffed it into your mattress. Large cash transactions will be the first ones they flag.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:49 | 3149083 q99x2
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Banks and NSA should not be allowed on our networks. People have to stop these FED bankster creeps.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:20 | 3149084 Rustysilver
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Ever hear of Fedwire.  This stuff has been monitored for years: since X.25, or even longer. Don't pretend that you are surprise.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:53 | 3149088 Downtoolong
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Will It Also Gain Access To Every American's Financial Secrets?

Not unless they discover my gold burried under my nephews swingset.

Damn me, now I have to move it again.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 19:57 | 3149544 Sabibaby
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At least you didn't lose it to a rogue wave rocking your boat!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:54 | 3149089 Super Broccoli
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banks and government working together to fight ... erm ? terrorists ? wait a minut what's a terrorist ? Does that restains to some crazy lads with a RPG in a pick-up singing how allah's great and how they can't wait for those 72 virgins or does the word "terrorist" also includes anyone with a brain that gets a bit critical to the gov and the banks ?

If the definition is the broadest then we're all terrorists on ZH !!!!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:15 | 3149242's picture

Terrorists are the people supported by NATO airstrikes in Libya and arms in Syria. It used to be that you were either with the terrorists or against them but now it's all the rage to be against them while your with them.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:53 | 3149303 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It used to be that you were either with the terrorists or against them but now it's all the rage to be against them while your with them.

It dovetails nicely with being for freedom while stamping it out.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 01:58 | 3150032 AgAu_man
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They're all "assets". A rose by any other name.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:54 | 3149090 JR
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IOW, tyranny advances as it uses everything it can to propagandize the uninformed sheeple, preying on their fears, to take away their freedoms.

Speaking of preying on fears, CNN’s Candy Crowley asked National Rifle Association President David Keene if the NRA was intentionally trying to “gin up” fear that government was going to take away people’s guns in order to increase sales and profits for gun manufacturers.

Replied Keene: “The two people who were selling so-called assault rifles are Senator Feinstein and President Obama. They’re the ones scaring people, not us.”

Keene predicted there would not be enough votes in Congress to pass an assault weapons ban.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:07 | 3149115 otto skorzeny
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I hope it doesn't pass-and if it doesn't I think you'll be able to pick up some nice weapons on the cheap. prices for mediocre guns are outrageous-$1700 for a S&W M&P sport?

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 22:32 | 3149779 klockwerks
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Who would sell their guns? When supply catches up to demand, prices will go back to normal but I don't know anyone who would sell their edge

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 19:58 | 3149546 holdbuysell
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Obama's stance on the 2nd Amendment - YouTube

From 2008:

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:54 | 3149092 Joebloinvestor
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I would hope the NSA could disclose some of those executive compensation packages also.


Mon, 01/14/2013 - 18:38 | 3152363 Parrotile
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I'm certain they can.

I'm equally certain they won't.

You don't bite the hand(s) that feed you do you??

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 14:56 | 3149093 Xibalba
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fanatic fascism under the guise of a democracy.  

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:06 | 3149097 NuYawkFrankie
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NSA - Nothing is Safe Anymore

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:09 | 3149230 sunaJ
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Setec Astronomy.


too mAny secretS

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:04 | 3149110 lakecity55
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Seems if you step back for a moment from the noise and take a look at the entire forest, the Noose is getting tight really fast.

I suspect an enormous FF soon, along with implementation of the numerous EOs signed over the last four years.

Hope I am wrong, but these elites seem to be getting nervous. That, and their hubris can lead to drastic overreach and mistakes.

I would begin to practice situational awareness, ZHers, Big Time, if you are already not doing so.

I have always suspected the Plan is not a "socialist revolution," but the destruction of the entire Republic.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:57 | 3149310 smacker
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"I have always suspected the Plan is not a "socialist revolution," but the destruction of the entire Republic."

The two aims are not mutually exclusive.

Think: Pol Pot, Mao Tse-tung, and others.

You cannot build a socialist utopian society where everybody is owned by The State and is obedient to The State without first destroying the one that exists.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 22:43 | 3149783 klockwerks
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I'm a little dense, what is "FF"

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 00:19 | 3149933 Real Estate Geek
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False Flag

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 02:01 | 3150035 AgAu_man
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Or "Manufacturing Consent", in Moan Chomsky speak.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:06 | 3149112 malek
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So you mean they haven't gained access to every American's financial secrets yet? Good one.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:16 | 3149131 news printer
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Feasibility study to build USS Enterprise - another petition

Assign NASA to do a feasibility study and conceptual design of the Gen1 USS Enterprise interplanetary spaceship.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:53 | 3149386 tip e. canoe
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ask Gary McKinnon about that one

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:17 | 3149134 F. Bastiat
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Certainly, the primary weapon of coercion, wielded by the central government against the people and the several states, is financial coercion.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:34 | 3149151 Insideher Trading
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I would feel so much better if there was an government agent in every bedroom across the country, you know, for our safety.

I probably shouldn't joke around about that, some politician will read this and think it's a great idea. As if recording our every keystroke, and spying on us with drones isn't enough. I love the fact the government can detain me indefinitely for any reason, without a warrant, and without due process of a judge and my peers. I know the government loves me and this is all for my protection, and I feel so safe now especially that some politicians want to confiscate my guns. Freedom feels so good.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 19:53 | 3149535 FeralSerf
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Not to worry.  If you have a smart phone or PC in your bedroom, you're already fully protected.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:28 | 3149153 hazek
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The answer is fairly simple: use Bitcoin, then they can be integrated with the banking system all they want.


Michael Maloney's company has put out a blog about it, have a read:

Bitcoin Invades Mainstream Banking System

Jan 11 2013
The WealthCycles Staff

Digital Currency Exchange, Bitcoin-Central, has been authorized by the French government to conduct bank style operations. In an announcement last month on, Paymium, the organization behind Bitcoin-Central said this:
We’re announcing today that is getting, through a partnership with Aqoba, allowed to operate like a bank, (or more precisely like a PSP [Payment Service Provider], which is basically the same as a bank, just without the debt-money issuing part).

If you’ve been following the crypto-currency story, you will realize that this is a huge step forward. For the first time a crypto-currency exchange has been brought into the mainstream banking circle, allowing believers in the idea of free choice in currency the opportunity to transact business through traditional channels.

Read on at the link above!

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:29 | 3149154 blindman
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don't be confused. the cia, nsa ,fbi, defense department
executive branch, congress and local governments are
all the property of or manifestations of the banks, it is that simple. everything else is an illusion, a personal and temporary
delusion. you will have trouble finding a conscious and open mind on the planet.... just
look at your "money", your notes, they are the federal reserve's
notes. someone said it .." give unto the federal reserve
that which is the federal reserve's." ?
the brainwashing is nearly universal and complete, put on the
ball game and go to sleep. your neighbors will thank you
unless and untill the illusion vaporises, then they will
curse you? it is a problem. peter tosh sang about it.
equal rights/downpresser man peter tosh
"where you gonna run to?" p.t.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:35 | 3149160 joego1
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Fuck it? I'm going naked from now on! We will see if they really want to see everything.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:36 | 3149163 yogibear
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The TSA on steroids. When bored they get to toy around with peoples lives or destroy them.

The introductory stage to the Nazi Brown Shirts.


Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:43 | 3149174 shovelhead
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President Obama today announced his new program titled "The Global War on Everything".

This, unfortunately, includes the American people.

The M.I.C. and markets respond with enthusiasm.

"The Military Industrial Complex has been suffering from slowing profits due to saturation of existing markets and The War on Everything should provide a boost to the American economy by creating new conflicts to increase prosperity everywhere." says Jeffrey Immelt, the President's close adviser.

We used to have Reds under our beds.

Now we have Achmeds under our beds.


Sun, 01/13/2013 - 17:22 | 3149343 JR
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There's a whole lot of truth in your sarcasm, shov. And the truth is that Americans are caught between Obama’s welfarism and the GOP’s (even higher taxes are acceptable rather than cutting the military) militarism. Tax increases could have been avoided if Congress had cut the Pentagon.

Ron Paul exposed Congress's Empire-Era support for the military-industrial complex on January 10, 2013: “If we accept the notion that the role of government is to protect our freedoms, provide some national defense for us, provide a sound currency and protect our liberties, there would be no warfare state and there would be no welfare state. And nobody wants to address that. All this talk [on the fiscal cliff], and neither Republicans nor Democrats will even suggest cutting the militarism. The only talk was should we increase the military expense by 18 percent or 20. The people who wanted 18 percent were castigated for slashing national defense as if they were unpatriotic.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 15:44 | 3149176 sitenine
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Mirror mirror, on the wall. Who's the fascistest of them all?

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:18 | 3149221 cranky-old-geezer
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How much worse does it have to get before GOs do their "revolution"? 

If they wait till the currency collapes, forget it, we'll be under martial law then, military in the streets. 

...and no, they won't be on our side.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:06 | 3149228 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Bitcoin, bitchez.

I'm giving away bitcoins. Post a bitcoin address as a reply and I'll send you some satoshis. You can use them to lose free money gambling, just like the big boys do:

This offer ends whenever I feel like it. 

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 16:41 | 3149286 seek
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I'm game for free money: 19uysjrgpZkPJBYSXPZeatpU3nnNwPWn4a


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