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French Military Embarrassments Continue As Insurgents Grab More Territory In Mali

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As reported over the weekend, late on Friday French forces launched a military campaign, consisting primarily of airforce incursions, designed to crush the "Islamic extremists" in the country in order to protect "European interests" (it is unclear what these may be). Parallel with this came the first humiliation for French military forces as a French helicopter pilot was killed nearly at the same time as the offensive was launched. But even more embarrassing was the bungled attempt to rescue a hostage in Somalia, in which the hostage is said to have died (by France at least, not his captors), while at least one French commando is also reported to have been left behind. Moments ago, AP reported on the latest French military developments in Mali, which confirm that when it comes to the words "French military" and "success" will hardly ever be seen side by side.

To wit: "Despite intensive aerial bombardments by French warplanes, Islamist insurgents grabbed more territory in Mali on Monday and got much closer to the capital, French and Malian authorities said. In the latest setback, the al-Qaida-linked extremists overran the garrison village of Diabaly in central Mali, France's defense minister said in Paris. Jean-Yves Le Drian said Monday the rebels "took Diabaly after fierce fighting and resistance from the Malian army that couldn't hold them back." In other words, "before France sent its forces in on Friday, the closest known spot the Islamists were to the capital was 680 kilometers (420 miles) away"... while "by now sweeping in from the west, they are now only 400 kilometers (250 miles) from Mali's capital, Bamako, in southern Mali." Yet another French military campaign stupendously executed.

More:

France is urging the "Africanization" of the conflict, encouraging African nations to send troops to fight the Islamic extremists. There have been promises, but no troops movements have yet been publicly announced.

 

Early Monday, an intelligence agent confirmed that shots rang out near the Diabaly military camp in what was still nominally government-held territory and that soon after, jets were heard overhead, followed by explosions. The agent insisted on anonymity because he is not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

 

A Malian commander in the nearby town of Niono said the bombardments did not stop the Islamist fighters and that they occupied Alatona, and on Monday, they succeeded in reaching the north-south road which connects Diabaly to Segou, the administrative capital of central Mali.

 

The Islamist advance in central Mali came even after fighter jets late Sunday began dropping bombs in the rice-growing region of Alatona. At that point, a rebel convoy had been spotted 40 kilometers (24 miles) southeast of Diabaly, until recently the site of a major, U.S.-funded Millenium Challenger Corporation project.

 

French radio Europe 1 broadcast a telephone interview with Omar Ould Hamaha, a leader of the Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa, which controls part of northern Mali. In it he dared the French to "come down on the ground if they're real men. We'll welcome them with open arms," he said. "France has opened the gates of hell ... it has fallen into a trap much more dangerous than Iraq, Afghanistan or Somalia."

One can only hope the tide doesn't turn so much on the French that the "insurgents" make their way to Paris where the French army surrenders post haste.

 

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Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:41 | 3150443 NEOSERF
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The real shame is that this is an attempt by Hollande to deflect attention from the economy, raise confidence in his adminstration and to increase employment and GDP growth through war needs...none will occur.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:43 | 3150446 otto skorzeny
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sounds familiar

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:58 | 3150508 trav777
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these types of engagements are why Chirac wanted IN on the Iraq War of Busch.  Yes, he did, until GWB snubbed everyone publicly.

Operational combat experience is worth its weight in gold

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:48 | 3150636 midtowng
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Which is exactly the OPPOSITE of what happened.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:06 | 3150691 knukles
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Give a little here and a little there and pretty soon the muzzies'll own Bordeaux, Burgundy and Champagne.

Holy sediment Batman!
We decant let that happen!

Where is Gerrard Depardieu when we need him?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:15 | 3150721 Fortunate Fool
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In terms of monkeys surrending to third world, flip flop wearing, combattants, I don't think Yankees have any lesson to give to the French:

<blockquote>A U.S. Army force in Mogadishu, consisting primarily of U.S. Army Rangers from 3rd Battalion75th Ranger Regiment; Bravo Company, 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (1st SFOD-D), better known as "Delta Force"; and helicopters from 1st Battalion,160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, attempted to seize two of Aidid's high-echelon lieutenants during a meeting in the city. Shortly after the assault began, Somali militia and armed civilian fighters managed to shoot down two UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. The subsequent rescue operation to secure and recover the crews of both helicopters drew the raid, intended to last no more than an hour, into an overnight standoff in the city. The battle resulted in 18 U.S. deaths, 80 wounded, and 1 helicopter pilot captured</blockquote>

 

For what it's worth, no french ground forces have been engaged in Mali yet.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:24 | 3150750 knukles
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No...

Just one SF'er left behind after the rescue mission.
Abandoned to the enemy.

Whatthefuck?  The "rescue" mission was not by ground forces in Mali?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:39 | 3150818 Fortunate Fool
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The only problem with people like you is that you can't even comprehend that there were two separate operations, in two different countries separated by thousands of kilometeres, with two different objectives, happening at the same time.

Mali (West Africa): For now, only the french Air Force is engaged. The combat troups on the ground are made of the Mali army and some other troops from other west African country. The objective has been to stop an Al Qaeda group to go to the capital city Bamako and take over the country. No matter what is said here, this mission is so far a success. The french ground troops are all localized in Bamako and are not engaged in combat yet.

 

Somalia (East Africa): This was an operation by the secret service to rescue an hostage held by an islamic group since 2009. The mission is obviously a failure since the hostage and two soldiers died in the operation. 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 15:09 | 3151640 AldousHuxley
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is this like when US footballer voluntarily signed up for deployment then got killed by his own man?

 

French are not fighting Africans....they are fighting Chinese who wants to own Africa now with her natural resources necessary for manufacturing value-add.

 

Chinese playing we are better business partners game while Europeans playing we are your colonizers.

 

TOP Mali Exports:

  1. Cotton
  2. Gold
  3. Sesame Seeds
Mon, 01/14/2013 - 15:27 | 3151734 Iwanttoknow
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European are the fucking colonizers.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 16:40 | 3151976 fourchan
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looks like mali is going dark aka islamic dark ages.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 18:05 | 3152253 RafterManFMJ
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China "Hello please! I build you dam, I build you house, I make road! We trade?"

West "BOMBS THE FUCK AWAY! DRONES, ATTAAAACK!"

Golly, I wonder which tactic will win in the end?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:47 | 3150856 Matt
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The rescue mission was not in Mali. So while it was by ground forces, it was not by ground forces in Mali.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:08 | 3150966 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' arguing over some third world geography. None of their comical genius provide better.

Here's the resolution for 'americans':

why care? Both these countries are peopled by monkeys by 'american' standards. Just call it monkey land and it will do.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:43 | 3151494 ceilidh_trail
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How can you tell you are lookink at a cHinEse tank? Follow the leaking oil trail up to it. For confirmation, look for the turret rusted off...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 15:13 | 3151662 AldousHuxley
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Traditional African Pottery

 - MADE IN CHINA

 

African tanks

  - MADE IN CHINA

 

African military weapons

 - MADE IN CHINA

 

African middle class learning Chinese

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:31 | 3150778 Pairadimes
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Not inaccurate, but incomplete. The US military was horrendously misused in that sordid affair, and that was a political, not military, failure. The death toll for the Somalian militias exceeded 500 in that battle, illustrating that even misused, under-equipped, cut off and under-supported, Rangers will make nasty shit happen if the order is given.

Unfortunately, democracies must rely on the quality of their elected leadership when in these situations, and the track record here of late is terrible.

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:38 | 3151108 Freddie
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Blame Clintion.  The US Army had been asking REPEATEDLY or M-1s and Bradleys for months and Clinton kept saying no.  This was after Clinton changed the mission from humanitarian to nation building.   The Congressional Black Caucus said that tanks would not be used against Africans.   Secretary of Defense Les Aspin resigned because of this or was heart attacked.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 20:58 | 3152711 BigInJapan
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Um, the U.S. killed over a thousand Somalis and wounded over three thousand in that battle.
Hardly a loss.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 21:54 | 3152833 Flakmeister
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Just like Kursk for the Germans... A tactical victory but a strategic defeat....

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 12:31 | 3154251 Fortunate Fool
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"Hardly a loss."

 

What was the mission objective? Was that objective accomplished? You don't measure a military victory by the number of people that die, otherwise the Nazi Germany should be declared the "winner" of WWII.

 

So yes, the Somali battle was a defeat, no matter how you look at it.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:47 | 3150632 Stoploss
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They've done this three times already.

LOL!! Frnace is trying to reverse jump the shark, and take it back 200 years, going for the Gold and slaves in the sahara.

République du Mali? 

Getting any closer??

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:45 | 3150451 GetZeeGold
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The French military gets punked.........again.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:53 | 3150484 francis_sawyer
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Surrender the Alamo...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:56 | 3150493 Bicycle Repairman
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The French should fall back to the Maginot line.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:08 | 3150524 Xue
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Since France refused to go to Iraq, American neo-cons made French army look like cowards.

And you zerohedgers are all falling into the neo-con world view.

 

Just one advice:

Read History books

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:22 | 3150563 zilverreiger
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it goes back further, to the french gold repatriation from NYC by de Gaulle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-g2iGskFPE

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:34 | 3150594 Maxhno
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Hence the coloured revolution of 1968 against De Gaulle

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:32 | 3150593 Sophist Economicus
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"American neo-cons made French army look like cowards"

 

LOLz

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:55 | 3150664 knukles
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France didn't leave that impression themselves. 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:25 | 3150752 Panafrican Funk...
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This is basically a France vs. US war.  The Mali "revolution" has heavy CIA involvement.  

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:09 | 3150972 NotApplicable
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Try and name one that doesn't!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 21:31 | 3152729 mjcOH1
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"This is basically a France vs. US war. The Mali "revolution" has heavy CIA involvement.  "

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide."  The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender."  The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:50 | 3150868 JOYFUL
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Yes, your one advice will suffice...

and a very short list it need be. The French are not cowardly(and I've seen little on these pages suggesting they be viewed that way). rather, they are victims of a mistaken identity. The probable cause of which is all too likely to be books and the weighty ponderings of aesthetes such as is the Gallic specialty!

While Merikans have been content to submit to the strictures of consumerist sign value, thereby signifying acceptance of their status as self-referential objects who actually belong to their hardware while supposing the opposite, the French have effected a pose of being free of such a mundane status - and thereby have imposed an even harsher fate upon themselves, via an ironic hubris and self-deceit.

It was the French themselves who have excelled in analysis of the western condition, anthropologists like Mauss and Bataille, literary and linguistic theorists like Barth and de Saussure, Derrida, Lyotard, and a host of other 'philosophes' of postmodernism, an imposing lineup of cinematistes, authors, and artists, all impossibly brilliant, and cognizant of their vanguard intellectual role - yet sadly unaware of their own demise as independent actors, and consequent reduction to a mere parody of themselves, restaging spectacles of lost Legionnaire gloire in sordid outposts like Dienbienphu, disparate African island nations, and now this....a sort of Fireball XL5 type of wizardry played out by jerky cartoon commandos unaware of their own string puppet pathos.

A restaging of the Algerian Adventure, but with hired bad guys loaned out by US State, who now casts and directs the film-scripted futures of the forlornly fatuous French...it was a philosophe, Bernard Henri Levy, who took the most vocal lead in braying for intervention in Libya, as it was another hebraic groomed in the very household of a CIA heavyweight who recently took lead role in the(greatly diminished)"FRENCH PRESIDENT" impersonation. How very "French" it's all become!  Doomed forever to seek after their vanished selves, the French are harbingers and prophets of the fate which waits for Merikans too - one merely delayed by the willing forfeiture of 'reality' to a cabal of media megacorporations who have arranged and managed Merikans perception of the outside world completely, ever since the "1st Gulf War"

With a hired actor in their own Presidential Palace, a 'faux economy' based upon fraud and deception, and a military might increasing projected by means of video-gaming dronemasters against civilian targets instead of soldiers fighting soldiers, we will soon enough see the same devolvement of Empire into Farce as the French have shown the way towards. As Baudrillard most presciently pointed out

“America is the original version of modernity. We are the dubbed or subtitled version. America ducks the question of origins; it cultivates no origin or mythical authenticity; it has no past and no founding truth. Having known no primitive accumulation of time, it lives in a perpetual present.”

No need for history books now, in the era of endless circulation of the sign.

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:10 | 3150984 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' know of 'americanism'

This 'american' is indeed right when it tells about the fabled past requirement.

'Americans' can not do without fabled past.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:31 | 3151078 TheFourthStooge-ing
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This Chinese citizenism citizen is indeed a failed academic when it tells about the fabled past requirement.

AnAnonymous can not do without repeatedly rewriting fabled past.

But hey, such production is consumption.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 21:28 | 3152745 mjcOH1
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"Americans' know of 'americanism'  This 'american' is indeed right when it tells about the fabled past requirement. 'Americans' can not do without fabled past."

You know, when they pickled Mao and propped him up in a glass box for worship by the adoring potential gulag residents, they should have wired the fucker up for sound.  Drop in a quarter and he spews gibberish. 

I admit it .... I'd have paid a quarter to see that.  But now, through the miracle of the interwebs, we get the same thing for free.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:51 | 3151552 ceilidh_trail
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Shut up and get me an eggroll!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:19 | 3151025 Stoploss
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Ha!! Funny.

Osiris doomed the french to this rock until further notice. Enjoy!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 15:49 | 3151811 Cathartes Aura
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the inability to reflect is the lack of reflection, mirror'd image, unable to see one-self as an actor, instead identifying so completely with the cultural label so as to almost be auto-mated. . .

a sort of Fireball XL5 type of wizardry played out by jerky cartoon commandos unaware of their own string puppet pathos.

a little bit of genius in a brilliant post, most enjoyable.

living in the "perpetual present" is what children do, a sort of innocence arising from lack of history, back story - amrkns have a back story, but they also have a specially scripted Disney-fied version they prefer, and like the FantasyLand of childhood, refusing to grow up and reflect on past efforts, they continue to grab for the E-ticket ride, hoping to delay the inevitable maturing, if only bodily. . .

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 16:33 | 3151931 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

a sort of Fireball XL5 type of wizardry played out by jerky cartoon commandos unaware of their own string puppet pathos.

a little bit of genius in a brilliant post, most enjoyable.

Thunderbirds Are Go!
Supermarionation to the rescue!
Gerry Anderson for the muthafucken WIN!

[oh, wait, he died last month. nevermind.]

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 17:48 | 3152203 Cathartes Aura
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.

Supermarionation to the rescue!

another worship'r at the altar of word-craft, upcycling & repurposing the alphabet to make moar sense!!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:07 | 3150967 Pairadimes
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Preferably history books not written by Chicoms, apparently.

Many of the posters on ZH strike me as pretty historically literate, and somewhat immune to political correctness, for the most part.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 15:02 | 3151614 Flakmeister
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It is a horridly bimodal distribution, and the ones that are not literate are painfully illiterate...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 15:54 | 3151826 Cathartes Aura
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your post hints at realising that "history" varies with the author Pairadimes, which begs the question:  historically literate by whose reading/standards?  which memorised version of a past not experienced nor lived are "we" accepting as "literate"?

certainly not the amrkn version taught?  so which version are you referencing?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:08 | 3150530 El Oregonian
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Did you say "Surrender the Ammo"?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:55 | 3150667 knukles
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He siad return the car at Alamo

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:21 | 3151030 MillionDollarBoner_
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No, he said:

"Surrender, a la mode"...;o)

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:31 | 3151079 forwardho
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No, he said

"surrender la camode"

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 16:06 | 3151858 akak
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No, he said:

"Sir, render the Allah, Moe."

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:44 | 3151140 Freddie
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At least the French did not surrender to Islam at the ballot box - twice - through rigged elections.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:50 | 3150641 midtowng
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I wouldn't be so proud. Our military got punked in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:49 | 3150642 Randall Cabot
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The French are good at rape though:

Monte Cassino was captured by the Allies on May 18, 1944. The next night, thousands of Goumiers and other colonial troops scoured the slopes of the hills surrounding the town and the villages of Ciociaria (South Latium). Over 60,000 women, ranging in age from eleven to 86, suffered from violence, when village after village came under control of the Goumiers. Civilian men who tried to protect their wives and daughters were murdered without mercy. The number of men killed has been estimated at roughly 800.[3]

The mayor of Esperia, a comune in the Province of Frosinone, reported that in his town, 700 women out of 2,500 inhabitants were raped and that some had died as a result. According to some sources, more than 7,000 Italian civilians, including women and children, were raped by Goumiers

 

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marocchinate   

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:58 | 3151223 Xue
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Every army is good at rape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnp1ZHekx3A

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 15:58 | 3151834 Cathartes Aura
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it's all part of the uni-form'd.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:53 | 3150465 Boeing Boy
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Normally a big fan of ZH but I don't like this commentary at all.  These types of missions are always risky and success or failure can hang on a thread or a bit of luck.  I have a lot of respect for french military, but they have lacked support from successive governments.  I don't, for a second believe Hollande did this to distract his electorate, far too risky for that.

 

Have some respect for those who were killed in the line of duty. you probably wouldn't describe your own military in such a condascending way, I can give you one of the biggest US cock ups in recent times, Op Anaconda, Afg, look it up then tell me the plan was not totally incompetent.  It still took very brave men to carry it out, and some did not come back.  BTW the Brits were invited to take part, but declined, because of the holes in the plan.

 

The person who wrote this article is probably small dicked and never served.  For example, the french pilot was flying an unprotected gazelle helicopter, putting his arrse in harms way and died from wounds received.  So ram that up your sarcastic backside.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:56 | 3150498 Azannoth
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Because it requires a Huge Dick to bomb people from supersonic jets flying miles above

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:05 | 3150516 Boeing Boy
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Fuck off ass hole.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:15 | 3150546 john39
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being part of the NWO 'good to slaughter' innocent brown people club is not going to win you many up votes around here boeing boy...  better get back to building missles and drones to kill innocent people.   i know, just doing your job.  well done.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:34 | 3150599 earnyermoney
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He should spend more time fixing the design flaws of the 787.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:15 | 3150720 hooligan2009
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boeing did not build that!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:21 | 3150560 hooligan2009
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i grovel at the huge bulge in your pants..ok ..i don't..but i'm sure the ho ho's in your office can cover over the syphillitic ooze emanating from the swelling to complement your massiveness..

have you ever considered that there is no actual need for anyone from Europe to be in Africa and that it is the "Sad Continent" for a reason? Perhaps you were born in the wrong era and you would have been better suited to the "Agent Orange" or "Hiroshima/Nagasaki" eras, that blossomed into the World of Warfare for those in society whose fingers are best kept off the buttons that kill innocent civilians.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:28 | 3150766 Boeing Boy
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I am surprised you can point to Africa on a map.

 

Well done, congratulations.  

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:04 | 3150947 Matt
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The democratically elected government of Mali requested aid from Western powers. They didn't invite themselves over there. The conflict seems to have been initiated purely from Al-qaeda-in -the-Meghreb. 

Should we abandon the Africans to be wiped out by the Islamification and Arabization of Africa?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:43 | 3151127 john39
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Man, i vote for a throw down between you and Million Dollar Bonus for best trolling....  you really nailed it.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 15:11 | 3151654 Vlad Tepid
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Yes.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 16:22 | 3151897 Cathartes Aura
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who is "we" that you refer to?

Xe-Xtian Crusader Erik da Prince is working on "your" behalf to secure the African Continent for the use of. . . oh wait, did he jump sides?  he's working for China now?  out of UAE. . .?  wasn't he amrka's "patriot"??

don't take "sides" Matt, they sure don't. . .

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:18 | 3150730 AnAnonymous
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Because it requires a Huge Dick to bomb people from supersonic jets flying miles above
______________________

When you are an 'american', yes, it does require.
Like scoring a touch down...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:32 | 3150788 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

When you are an 'american', yes, it does require.
Like scoring a touch down...

Chinese citizenism equivalentary of touch down being Tibetan monk immolation.

This now being accompanied by Chinese citizenism celebratory gesturing analogous to 'american' Teebowing, but more reflectary of Chinese citizenism eternal nature, called Mao Tse Dung-dropping.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:29 | 3151067 AnAnonymous
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So yes, Mali is for Tibet.

'Americans' take Tibet and out of it, find multiple justifications for their endeavours.

Fractional reserve...

An 'american' trait...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:47 | 3151159 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Distractional reserve...

A Chinese citizenism trait...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 16:27 | 3151878 akak
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AnAnonymousitizenism is as offuscationalizing blame-placing and forcing all responsibility to the exterior does.

 

But when diversionary monolizing of the speeching means flows like diarrhea on a Chinese roadside, just have to go with the flow and bear with it ...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 16:38 | 3151957 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

But when diversionary monolizing of the speeching means flows like diarrhea on a Chinese roadside, just have to go with the flow and bear with it ...

Maopectate now the muchly needed mattering thing.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 17:49 | 3152200 akak
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When comsumptionalizing recipes for wokking the dog from famous Little Red (Cook)Book of fabled Chinese Communist past, Maopectate ingestionism much wise for avoidance of explosive roadside Communist sharty expeditiously.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:13 | 3150976 NotApplicable
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Funny, second troll gets no play!

A.K.A. "The early word gets the burn."

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:57 | 3150501 Bicycle Repairman
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Get bent.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:58 | 3150506 Spider
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Thats right we should give honor and respect to men blindly serving to fulfill their government's big corporate interests.

<End with cliche about Troops giving their lives for our freedom while sitting back and sipping my $10 mocha>

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:30 | 3150772 Panafrican Funk...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOEIruwzf54

America...
America...
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too, 
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now, 
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow

FUCK YEAH!

McDonalds, FUCK YEAH!
Wal-Mart, FUCK YEAH!
The Gap, FUCK YEAH!
Baseball, FUCK YEAH!
NFL, FUCK, YEAH!
Rock and roll, FUCK YEAH!
The Internet, FUCK YEAH!
Slavery, FUCK YEAH!

FUCK YEAH!

Starbucks, FUCK YEAH!
Disney world, FUCK YEAH!
Porno, FUCK YEAH!
Valium, FUCK YEAH!
Reeboks, FUCK YEAH!
Fake Tits, FUCK YEAH!
Sushi, FUCK YEAH!
Taco Bell, FUCK YEAH!
Rodeos, FUCK YEAH!
Bed bath and beyond (Fuck yeah, Fuck yeah)

Liberty, FUCK YEAH!
White Slips, FUCK YEAH!
The Alamo, FUCK YEAH!
Band-aids, FUCK YEAH!
Las Vegas, FUCK YEAH!
Christmas, FUCK YEAH!
Immigrants, FUCK YEAH!
Popeye, FUCK YEAH!
Democrats, FUCK YEAH!
Republicans (republicans)
(fuck yeah, fuck yeah)
Sportsmanship
Books

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:43 | 3150805 A Nanny Moose
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All it takes is one of those cliche yellow ribbon magnets on the tailgate of your Ford Extinction, or sending em' boxes of Girl Scout cookies.

Empty gestures to avoid the tough questions.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:15 | 3150548 TheFineKid
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Fuck You!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:19 | 3150557 Never One Roach
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Gun control....if they had 'gun control' laws this wouldn't happen.

 

(sarc on)

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:32 | 3151077 AnAnonymous
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Gun control....if they had 'gun control' laws this wouldn't happen.

(sarc on)
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Not so much sarcastic, considering that rebels got their weapons from Gadafi's army arsenals...

Somehow, gun control got much looser in Libya and boom, you've got that Malian crisis.

Aint the 'american' philosophy fruitful?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 17:45 | 3152196 ceilidh_trail
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cHinEse army has a chink in it's armor. Used aircraft carrier go sinky dink like cHinEse luxury yacht did. cHinEse tall buildings not so tall when randomly over on their side. cHinEse trains can't seem to stay on track. Need cHinEE superhero ananon to the rescue!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 17:53 | 3152219 akak
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Not so much sarcastic, considering that Chinese shitizens got their roadside-crapping habits from traditions of fabled Chinese past ...

Somehow, bowel control got much looser in China and boom, you've got that sanitation crisis.

Aint the Chinese shitizenism philosophy poopful?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:23 | 3150568 Ignorance is bliss
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The death of French soldiers and the current war within Mali is indeed a serious and sad event. However, the military strikes in Mali appear to be part of a historical formula deployed by struggling governments whenever financial ineptitude and excessive debt strikes the nation. Behind the curtains we almost always find a financial incentive and rarely do we find a true moral imperative to send a nation's youth onto the battlefield. The moral dilemma is not with zero hedge readers but with the Government of France.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:50 | 3150645 the iD
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ur leaking something from your wing there...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:55 | 3150666 blabam
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Why do you have respect for an organisation specialized in the killing of human beings? And fuck everybody who "served". If everybody stopped "serving" we would be in a happier place. 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:02 | 3150674 Dugald
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Boeing Boy.......

Well said and needed saying which you did so well....

How many strutting their keyboads here have served, they sound like a bunch of spiteful old tree huggers.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:34 | 3150705 hooligan2009
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you sound like an experienced killer of innocents...you have my vote! when are you running for world dictator?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:26 | 3150757 Boeing Boy
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Thanks. My comments were in support those who took part in the failed rescue attempt of their colleague.  They are warriors and walk tall, even though they wear the uniform of France.  

 

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:40 | 3150822 Vlad Tepid
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So let me get this straight:  You also then support those who took part in the (so far) failed liberation attempt of the Malian capital.  After all, the Oneness and Jihad movement are warriors and can walk tall, even though they wear the flip-flops of African rebels...or do you only root for the side that has John Wayne on it?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:45 | 3150851 Boeing Boy
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Define liberation and the aims of the movement then I'll give you an answer.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:55 | 3150900 Vlad Tepid
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So a few dirt farmers of the Islamic brand want to take a city from dirt farmers of another brand  - and they're the bad guys.

The colonial imperialists who left the country decades ago come back for no reason at all except to say hi and drop HE on highway traffic - and they're gallant.

OK.

These terms are very easy to define for the Malinese rebels.  Can you define what exactly the aims of the French movement are?  Killing people is killing people.  Sometimes a rebellion or civil war needs to be fought, I guess.  That's between them peoples's.  I start making value judgements when a foreign power comes in appropo of nothing and starts bombing the shit out of one particular side.  That doesn't strike you as...mean? Foolish?  Evil?  Dumb?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:08 | 3150961 Boeing Boy
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Do you welcome the imposition of Sharia Law?  Is that your idea of liberation?

 

Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa. MOJWA is believed to be a splinter group of AQIM. Its stated goal is the imposition of sharia (Islamic law) across the whole of West Africa. Ina statement released in English and Hausa on the 10 December 2011, the group threatened to spread jihad beyond North African deserts and establish a foothold in sub-Saharan West Africa.9 The group also claims inspiration from 19th century West African Moslem leaders, who fought European colonial powers. 10 

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:16 | 3151009 NotApplicable
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Now, how many of the leaders of this group do you think realize that they are wholly funded by these same colonial powers? (Likely only a handful getting paid handsomely for the privilege)

Proxy wars, the hallmark of any decent divide and conquer campaign.

See, the mob cares not which side you choose, but only that you choose a side.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:22 | 3151042 Matt
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Well, if you buy gasoline, and that gas comes from oil from Saudi Arabia, then you are funding the terrorists. If you want to go to the extreme end of indirect finance.

Saying America is funding them because of oil bought in Saudi Arabia that funds princes there, some of whom may fund jihadists, is quite a stretch.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:55 | 3151204 Vlad Tepid
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I currently work in a Gulf state that is under the direct thumb of the Saudis.  I see their tanks and armored cars every day and watch an oppressed people frustrated in their attempts at self-determination.  One doesn't have to be a cave-dwelling jihadists to be a terrorist...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:14 | 3151350 Panafrican Funk...
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Interesting that the film "Argo" scored surprising wins at the Golden Globes last night.  "CIA as hero", in of all places, Iran.  LOL.  Kind of a giant middle finger to anyone on the receiving end of CIA "special operations".  

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 23:52 | 3153147 Totentänzerlied
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About as surprising as vanilla icecream.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:26 | 3151050 Matt
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DUP.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:49 | 3151165 Vlad Tepid
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I wasn't aware that MOJWA was trying to impose Sharia Law on me.  I thought they were trying to push it off on a bunch of dirt farmers from "None of My Business-Land."

Besides one mans Sharia is another mans "Being Dominated as a Resource Gatherng Puppet for the EU/China/USA."  Let them fight out their own destiny.  May the best dirt farmer continue to farm dirt.  I probably would have enjoyed a beer with one of those dead Frogs...now I'll never know cuz someone thought Mali was important..,.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:32 | 3151440 hooligan2009
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"none of my business land"...very well put

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:19 | 3151023 Matt
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The people of southern Mali do not want to be killed off or ruled by Al Qaeda. They requested aid from the West to help protect them.

This is different from Libya, Afghanistan, etc, in that in this case, the Jihadists are on the offensive, invading. The local seperatists that wanted independance for their region have been taken over and replaced by Al Qaeda fighters, just like the Free Syrian Army. 

If it was just a seperatists group fighting their government, then sure, the west would have no business being there, but this is a Jihadist invasion now, and the government has requested help stoppping them.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:44 | 3151134 john39
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Ah yes, al-cia-duh....   thank goodness that their dictators are so happy to have them die at Nato's hands...  what a farce.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:52 | 3151189 Vlad Tepid
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Well, by all means then...if every illiterate Turd Worlder from Timbuktu (literally in this case) wants my kids to go and die for them so they don't have to settle their own problems HELL YEAH!!  That's TOTALLY worth it...in fact, I'll pay extra taxes just to make it happen...<SARC>

Just to make this clear, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK what politicians think is in the best interest of an irrelevant country.  It's not worth spending a dime of money or a drop of sweat, much less a French pilot.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:57 | 3151216 hannah
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john wayne..? who is he...? l'il waynes brother or tupacs dj maybe...?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:27 | 3150759 Mr. Magniloquent
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I've served the needy in soup kitchens, assembled and hosted a charity concert, and donated both my time and money to charity organizations since I was eighteen years old.

I have never accepted plundered "protection money" to become a mercenary, parade around in matching costumes, and kill foreigners to be a useful distraction for vainglorious politicians and enhance Raytheon's profit margin.

Which service are you refering to?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:34 | 3150794 Boeing Boy
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And you were doing so well..

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 16:39 | 3151967 Cathartes Aura
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he's merely asking you to identify who you serve. . .

it's a very basic story you need to acknowledge.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:15 | 3151353 blabam
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You served your masters well. To quote Napoleon: "A Soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon".

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:13 | 3150710 Louie the Dog
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The person who wrote this article is probably small dicked and never served.

My guess is few people that post on ZH have served either.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:17 | 3150724 AnAnonymous
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My guess is few people that post on ZH have served either.
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A different guess from here, a sizeable number of posters here served.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:58 | 3151222 hannah
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served at chilis or mcdonalds maybe.....

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 17:51 | 3152210 ceilidh_trail
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slavery and serving up a kidney doesn't count.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:13 | 3150712 knukles
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You miss the whole point.

We here at the Hedge are generally suspicious of armed conflicts, hyper attuned to propagandized rationale for governmental stupidity and....

....this has to do with the French, for fuck's sake.

What were you expecting, Dr. Smartiepants?

(I am Jack's sense of sarcastic amazement.)

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:36 | 3150801 Boeing Boy
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Hey, I am all for analysis and objectivity, jees, even been known to accept criticism.....

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:45 | 3150849 Vlad Tepid
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Two of the smartest guys I know who served: one retired as a colonel and called the whole thing a crock of shit and disuaded me from doing the same (veteran of 3 foreign wars) and the other was an AF academy graduate and professor who later tossed his commission in the water and now lives on a sailboat.  Don't give me that bullshit about "If you didn't serve..."  That's a line only the weakest of minds uses.  My whole life is tied up in supporting troops overseas and I can't see how putting on a uniform and being ordered to kill people,stand in line, fix things that aren't broken and run Chinese Fire Drills around and engine room qualify one to a more saintly perch in any political debate.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:57 | 3150885 Boeing Boy
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Blame the politicians.  I left for similar reasons.  Doesn't mean I don't have the utmost respect for those who continue to serve.  Someone has got to do the dirty work and get mind fcuked by the whole experience later in life.  Nothing clever about taking the piss out of those who did their best but failed.  They do it for each one another anyway, most have long since given up doing it for Queen and Country, (UK Version).  Not surprising when you read the shit on this thread.

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:05 | 3150949 Vlad Tepid
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Well, if they're not doing it for Queen and Country then one would have to admit that they're basically mercenaries...and who the hell sheds a tear for mercenaries except their mothers?

If you left for similar reasons than you are a larger man than I for still holding these guys up.  At best they are pathetic pawns, at worst they are idiotic chumps.  I find that hard to respect.

I do blame the politicians...but at least in the US soldiers take an oath to defend the Constitution, not the whims of politicians.  Standing up to them (or walking away takes more courage than killing skinnies)

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:12 | 3150990 Boeing Boy
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You never know, one day that might save you and your constitution, from the seemingly unstoppable descent towards a police state in your beloved USA.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:45 | 3151147 Vlad Tepid
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Nothing will save the Constitution.  I'm already in the process of saving myself.  My beloved USA has been a dead letter since my birth (no connection).

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:44 | 3151504 Panafrican Funk...
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"Blame the politicians."

I think that was the general idea here, a politician decided to needlessly get involved in warfighting to distract the public from his abject incompetance, and it blew up in his face.  The French in recent history have been pretty fucking terrible at military strategy (which is both political and tactical), ergo the knocks about the results of this latest misadventure. 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:59 | 3151232 hannah
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"(veteran of 3 foreign wars)"...the dude must be 99 years old because the last WAR was WW2.....?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:20 | 3150559 rwe2late
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 Hollande is the French "Obama" (whom Hollande adores).

Big promises of fixing things, friend of the working class, etc. ...

but all the while, contrary to any "hope" of fixing anything,

a faithful disciple of the EU and NATO. 

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:14 | 3150713 knukles
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Nobel Peace Prize Candidate

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:43 | 3150445 otto skorzeny
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maybe gives the US an "incentive" to send in US troops to the darkie continent to establish a foothold

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:44 | 3150449 NoDebt
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We did, we have and we are.  35 countries on the continent, actually.  There was an article about it over the weekend.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:45 | 3150459 otto skorzeny
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I mean a real "Al Queda is molesting goats" high profile attack to gin up the American public

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:53 | 3150654 forwardho
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 WAKE UP.

Have you heard of a little org called AFRICON.

We are already Invested in a major way.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:15 | 3150719 knukles
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To be engaged in 35 countries in 2013.
(announced by federal gubamint as a wondeful idea!)

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:48 | 3150863 Vlad Tepid
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AFRICOM I believe you mean...but AFRICON works just as well.  Funny thing is, they're based out of Germany...I don't know why I find that so funny.  I guess the brass doesn't want to get too sweaty.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:43 | 3150447 Banksters
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Ever notice how every Islamic group is called Al Qaeda?   I guess it makes it easy for the plebes to understand.

 

Off to Oceania next, comrades!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:45 | 3150450 otto skorzeny
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carrying alot of Libyan weapons from our little "Operation Eat Our Freedom"

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:07 | 3150678 Cosimo de Medici
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Never noticed that.  Sure, there's al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, but these guys call their franchise Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa.  In SEAsia there's Jama'ah Islamiya, as well as the Moro National Liberation front, Moro Islamic Liberation Front, and Abu Sayyaf.  In South Asia there's Lashka e Taiba and the Haqqani Network.  And lets not forget Hezbollah, and of course the al Ikhwan al Muslimeen or Muslim Brotherhood.  No, they use the whole alphabet, plebe.  Understand?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:43 | 3150448 Capitalist
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France has military?

http://youtu.be/uVMsOYRM3Jg

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:45 | 3150455 NoDebt
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Came as news to me, too! 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:51 | 3150475 caimen garou
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no,it's just cardboard cut outs

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:46 | 3150457 JenkinsLane
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Does someone want to do the "How many gears does a French tank have" joke?

 

I feel as though we're being thrown the ball here so it's only polite to hit it.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 17:55 | 3152226 ceilidh_trail
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You mean the one with the three speed reverse and headlights in the rear?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:46 | 3150460 I am more equal...
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The start of world war.  China is to the east dealing with Myamar.  Japan vs China over some rocks.  USA everywhere, in our own skies.  What better way to mask incompetence but with war.  Rally around dear leader. 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:49 | 3150462 Flakmeister
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Possible Dien Bien Phu redux??....

I.e. in the wake of failure, France withdraws from regions of Africa...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:05 | 3150517 optimator
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Too bad the Germans destroyed the Wagon Lits car, what do the French do now? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_vrkV8Qdq0

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:08 | 3150523 Manthong
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My first thought , too.

The story of how Giap got the howitzers up the mountains is pretty amazing.. probably nothing as dramatic going on in Mali, but I am sure the French have another stellar plan in place like they did for ‘Nam..

and Algeria.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:35 | 3150601 forwardho
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Also did not like the mention they gave to the U.S. having large investments in area.

Causus belli is such a flexible word.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:42 | 3150615 Maxhno
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We lost Dien Bien Phu because we were screwed by NATO (aka the US).

We had to specialize in jets while others specialized on bombers.

And when it came to fight Communism... guess what... the US refused the NATO to get involved and we had to fight the war without bombers.

Another nice lesson from a long list for french morrons who believe America is a reliable ally, and even a friend of France.

And guess what... who had to fight the Vietnam war after the US sabotaged french effort ???? Yes, a country that surrenders even when the war is not actually lost.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:58 | 3150669 nofluer
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Some good points... but the major point was not mentioned. Who were the dumb clucks who sited a major military base on ground surrounded by high ground? Duh, duh, duh, DUMB!!! (That would be the French.) I realize you wanted an air strip - but a better strategy would have been to put it somewhere flat all around, or even take and hold the superior heights in addition to the lowland. Also known as the "go big or stay at home" strategy.

It could also be mentioned that the US was dropping supplies and ammo and even a few troops into DBFoo in an effort to support the French occupation.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:02 | 3150894 Sanksion
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The politicians wanted the paratroops dead. A threat to their power.

Look the war in Algeria. We were winning on a military scope. Politically, the government let Algeria fall to the islamists. The veterans of WWII, and Indochina, were close to drop their paratroops on Paris to seize the power.

When all real french vets and war heroes were killed or executed for treason, the french army was left to the elitist schools that have never seen war, but only bureaucracy and co-optation. We traded real experienced soldiers and commanders for bureaucrates. Much easier to control.

It is the same with the US army. The US army could win every single war, in Vietnam, Afpak, with the proper political support. But these wars were NOT meant to be won.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:16 | 3151364 Flakmeister
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Wow, a French neo-con, aka Gaullist, here at the hedge...

Are your feet black by any chance?

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