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French Military Embarrassments Continue As Insurgents Grab More Territory In Mali

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As reported over the weekend, late on Friday French forces launched a military campaign, consisting primarily of airforce incursions, designed to crush the "Islamic extremists" in the country in order to protect "European interests" (it is unclear what these may be). Parallel with this came the first humiliation for French military forces as a French helicopter pilot was killed nearly at the same time as the offensive was launched. But even more embarrassing was the bungled attempt to rescue a hostage in Somalia, in which the hostage is said to have died (by France at least, not his captors), while at least one French commando is also reported to have been left behind. Moments ago, AP reported on the latest French military developments in Mali, which confirm that when it comes to the words "French military" and "success" will hardly ever be seen side by side.

To wit: "Despite intensive aerial bombardments by French warplanes, Islamist insurgents grabbed more territory in Mali on Monday and got much closer to the capital, French and Malian authorities said. In the latest setback, the al-Qaida-linked extremists overran the garrison village of Diabaly in central Mali, France's defense minister said in Paris. Jean-Yves Le Drian said Monday the rebels "took Diabaly after fierce fighting and resistance from the Malian army that couldn't hold them back." In other words, "before France sent its forces in on Friday, the closest known spot the Islamists were to the capital was 680 kilometers (420 miles) away"... while "by now sweeping in from the west, they are now only 400 kilometers (250 miles) from Mali's capital, Bamako, in southern Mali." Yet another French military campaign stupendously executed.

More:

France is urging the "Africanization" of the conflict, encouraging African nations to send troops to fight the Islamic extremists. There have been promises, but no troops movements have yet been publicly announced.

 

Early Monday, an intelligence agent confirmed that shots rang out near the Diabaly military camp in what was still nominally government-held territory and that soon after, jets were heard overhead, followed by explosions. The agent insisted on anonymity because he is not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

 

A Malian commander in the nearby town of Niono said the bombardments did not stop the Islamist fighters and that they occupied Alatona, and on Monday, they succeeded in reaching the north-south road which connects Diabaly to Segou, the administrative capital of central Mali.

 

The Islamist advance in central Mali came even after fighter jets late Sunday began dropping bombs in the rice-growing region of Alatona. At that point, a rebel convoy had been spotted 40 kilometers (24 miles) southeast of Diabaly, until recently the site of a major, U.S.-funded Millenium Challenger Corporation project.

 

French radio Europe 1 broadcast a telephone interview with Omar Ould Hamaha, a leader of the Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa, which controls part of northern Mali. In it he dared the French to "come down on the ground if they're real men. We'll welcome them with open arms," he said. "France has opened the gates of hell ... it has fallen into a trap much more dangerous than Iraq, Afghanistan or Somalia."

One can only hope the tide doesn't turn so much on the French that the "insurgents" make their way to Paris where the French army surrenders post haste.

 


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Tue, 01/15/2013 - 07:24 | Link to Comment Sanksion
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I'm no Gaullist, nor black feet. De Gaulle let Algeria fell, he's a politician, he is no Bigeard.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 20:26 | Link to Comment nofluer
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Excuse me, but the US DID win the VN war. Mission was to stop the NVA/VC/Moscow and train up the ARVNs to hold them off. We did that.

The last troops/ships, air support (Carriers) were out of VN in 1973. The ARVNs held their own until 1975 when Chicken Joe Biden and his Demoncrap buddies voted to cut off the funding they promised in the Paris Peace Accords to provide. (Oath breakers.) Once the money stopped, the war ended. It's difficult to maintain a battlefield presence without gas and bullets, which cost money.

We didn't lose the war. The politicians GAVE the country away and crapped on the graves and the sacrifices of over 58,000 American troops and unknown others who paid for the SVN people's freedom.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 07:22 | Link to Comment Sanksion
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As soon as you left the NVA was seizing Saigon. Success is a new normal for failure.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment nofluer
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"As soon as you left..."

As soon as you read my post, and then check it against HISTORY, you'll see that US troops left before the carriers, and the carriers left in early 1973 (I was on one of them), and Saigon wasn't seized by the NVA until 1975.

You got your asses KICKED out of VN. We left after the mission was successfully completed.

But then you're French. The French tend to adjust things like time to suit their delusions. Je suis desolee. Je ne parle pas Francais.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment monoloco
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And I have a WWii French carbine I'd like to sell you, It's in great shape, never fired and only dropped once.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 07:37 | Link to Comment Sanksion
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I have also a parachute, served only once, never opened. Some scratches on the back but in a good shape overall.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 19:19 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Another nice lesson from a long list for french morrons who believe America is a reliable ally, and even a friend of France.

One would have to be very de gaullible to believe such a thing. Any impartial observer can see that America is a reliable ally to no one, not even itself.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Vlad Tepid
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Whenever I read that word (once I learned the history about it) I call it :"Dien Bien Phu-UUUUUUUUCK!!"

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:49 | Link to Comment kaiten
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US should show them. Chasing afghan goat herders for a decade now and still cant beat them.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment I am more equal...
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Remember the post viet nam malaise?  What better way to totally demoralize a people than to tire them out with a long fruitless war then retreat after billions are spent in the name of 'freedom.'  We are not winning and will not win.  Jimmy Carter part deux is here and his Iran situation is coming.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment L_Conquistador
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An important detail has been omitted from this report:  the rebels gained strength and had this breakthrough following the defection of Mali military officers (and equipment) to the rebel cause.   These officers had been trained by the U.S. military over the past few years in a botched attempt at gaining an ally in this region.  Another victory for the regime here folks.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment trav777
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you mean the US is botching foreign policy again?!?!?

Let me ask:  who ISN'T turning against us after we tried to play nice guy with them and give them shit for decades?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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That is extremelly secondary.

Here's how the rebels gained strength:

from the Libyan event.

'American' nations bombed arsenals in Libya and also reversed the course of the war, leading the late mad dog Guaddafi to open up the arsenals to the population to prepare for a last stand.

In both cases, the outcome was to provide the rebels who served as mercenaries for the late mad dog Guadafi with military grade weapons of a much better standard than they were used to handle (was reserved to Gadafi's official army)

When Mali looked around to try to upgrade their own military equipment to match the threat, just after the mercenaries started to leak into the country, 'american' nations forced a weapons embargo on them. Hence a fast advance by rebels.

It is just another 'american' engineering.

The defection of Mali military officers and equipment (which is inferior to the one the former mercenaries got from Libya) going with it, simply showed that those people were not blind to 'american' nations' scheming.

Also shows the spread of 'americanism': if you cant beat them, join them.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment Matt
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Oops! You posted with the wrong login, your gig is up!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment earnulf
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Once again, using moderne weapons and tactics to fight a war, against an insurgency.    Since 1776 insurgents have handed "modern" military forces defeat after defeat.    Maybe we need to stop spending billions on missiles, nuclear subs and carriers and planes and just go back to the bayonet?    Course we still have mines, artillery and all the other heartbreaking "weapons of war".

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment john39
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maybe it would be better if "we" just stopped going places we didn't belong to take things that don't belong to "us" as mindless minions of our banker masters.   maybe instead we should fight with those brown people and end the banker occupation around the world once and for all.  maybe.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Matt
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And embrace Sharia law, and pray to Mecca 6 times per day, disallow women from driving or being in public without a male relative, make women hide their faces in public, disallow all other religions, and have one grand Caliph to rule us all. Sounds like a plan we can all get behind.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment john39
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emanuel goldstein contrived and controlled enemies don't scare me....  but the banker cabal and their satanic religion...  yeah, they need to go....  back to whatever hole in the ground they crawled out of under Washing/Tel Aviv/London etc.  

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 16:57 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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forward your suggestions to Paul Ryan, et al - I'm sure they've got some long term goals to share with you. . .

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Yep, save that 1776 is the story of failing to project forces, the King only managed to land 20,000 troops when Washington and co had over 30,000.
Besides, they were supported by the French navy that ensured not more men loyal to the King would be disembarked.
Different story.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:51 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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The French will have about as much success in Mali as the U.S. government would have in confiscating firearms.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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France, supporting Al-CIAda in Syria and Libya, now fighting them in Mali... some Al-CIAda groups are more equal than others.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:44 | Link to Comment Maxhno
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I guess Areva plants in Mali are more important than civilians in decision making processes...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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France, supporting Al-CIAda in Syria and Libya, now fighting them in Mali... some Al-CIAda groups are more equal than others.
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That's 'american' nations'stuff.

Even better though: remember the Libyan crisis and when African countries wanted to settle the crisis by themselves, claiming that it was their business, and when 'american' nations issued a big no, telling them it was 'american' business working on the behalf of humanity?

Well, this time, it seems that 'american' nations are pushing forward for it to be an 'african' matter, calling the african nations to solve that matter by themselves.

Aint life good in an 'american' world...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:55 | Link to Comment caimen garou
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let the french resistance take care of it,they are better than regular army! " john had a long moustache"

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:58 | Link to Comment booboo
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" john had a long moustache and his mother smelt of Elderberries"

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment forwardho
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You... you... tiny brained wiper of other peoples bottoms!

Your father was a hamster and your mother smelled...of...elderberries!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:08 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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your mother was a strawberry and your father was a bottom-wiper...you canniggit

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment knukles
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John's longue moustache was stuck in the dried crust on your mother's snortch.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Thorny Xi
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2007 - serious oil exploration commences in Mali. ( http://www.afrol.com/articles/24339 )

 

2012 - TOTAL bombs "rebels" with links to al Quaeda. 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 10:57 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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If the point of the article is to mock the French for being less efficient at foreign intervention and aerial bombings against poorly defended targets than say, are the British and US,

then the author’s imperialist hubris is unmistakably even greater than his Francophobe.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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No, it is to point out the French really haven't been effective sine that Prussian deal in 1870.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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Oldballplayer,

and the point you are making is:

you wish the French were more "effective" than you believe they are?

or

you think the first string NATO soldiers should have been sent because they would be more "effective" (at what?)?

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Do you realize this isn't a sports contest?

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:46 | Link to Comment Maxhno
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Exactly...

Since freemasonery promotes mason officers and blocks Catholic ones.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Made me laugh. JKC, 'americans' always trying to sell some unbelievable stuff.

But of course, the author has to follow his 'american' nature.

'Americans' run a business of extorting the weak, farming the poor.

This kind of business comes with certain contingencies.
Which leads to mock fellows who are unable to perform the contingent tasks properly.

'Americanism' is a story of masquerading: masquerading propaganda and fantasy for truth, coercion for freedom, injustice for justice.

But when the time of action comes, 'american' nature lets 'americans' no other opportunity but show where their priorities lie.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

JKC, 'americans' always trying to sell some unbelievable stuff.

JKC? What is that stuff JKC? Perhaps Chinese citizenism fast food franchise Just Killed Cat?

Djeee, Chinese citizenism citizens always trying to sell some unbelievable stuff.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Excellent one.

Who is trying to sell that JKC stands for Just Killed Cats?

'Americans', they are doing it but feels the urge to shift it onto others...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Excellent one.

Made me laugh.

Who is trying to sell that JKC stands for Just Killed Cats?

Must be you trying to sell it, since you offered outward no differentiated explanation.

AnAnon must be a JKC franchisee.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment etresoi
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Hollande desparately needed to act presidential and get Depardieu off the front pages.  What better way is there than to drop a few bombs on Africans?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:05 | Link to Comment XtraBullish
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Prototype French tank = 1 gear FORWARD 3 gears REVERSE

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:06 | Link to Comment Son of Loki
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The 'rebels' are using the same guns NATO gave them to bring down Gadaffi I read. Now they are using them against the frogs.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:44 | Link to Comment nofluer
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Did I read somewhere something about 20,000 shoulder fired anti-aircraft missilse going AWOL from the Lybian "insurgents" stocks? The French best fly above - 20,000 ft?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Not even. They used the weapons they took from Gaddafi's army arsenals.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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Well, at least they did not have to go to SE Asia to surrender this time. Saves on gas.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Uncle Zuzu
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What does Gerard Depardieu think of all this?  What will Mali's top marginal tax rate be under the Islamists?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:11 | Link to Comment john milton
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soon the ebay will be full of french assault rifles "never shot, only dropped twice"

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment Uncle Zuzu
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You can't be good at everything.  Some countries are good at war, others are good at cheese, wine and silk scarves.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment crito
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Where is the in depths, thoughtful thinking in this article?

I only see rage and stupidity. Don't comment things you don't want to understand.

 

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment marcusfenix
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i guess they just never got past that whole maginot line debacle...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:23 | Link to Comment Debugas
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unintended consequences of Libya's war

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Ignorance is bliss
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I wonder if the civil war in Mali is fueled by high food prices. a hungry man seeing the disparity between the rich and the poor makes  a great soldier. They become part of the 7.62 x 39 mm for food program run by TPTB in this great struggle. 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:30 | Link to Comment Ignorance is bliss
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So France is backing the current Mali regime. Who is backing the rebels? Russia, China, Saudi Arabia...? Anyone know?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:37 | Link to Comment earnyermoney
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Al CIAeda.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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with perhaps a dash of ex-CIA, Erik da Prince. . .

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:41 | Link to Comment nofluer
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What's needed is foreign officers over French troops, or French officers over foreign troops. The French seem to do well in either circumstance, but poorly when they have French officers commanding French troops. Perhaps it has something to do with the troops being able to understand the orders, or not?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:50 | Link to Comment helping_friendl...
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My source said the French surrendered to a mine field this morning.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:00 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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THE FRENCH WILL USE ALL THEIR KNOWLEDGE THEY GAINED IN VIETNAM TO CRUSH THOSE BUGS!!!

WHOEHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

VICTOIRE!!!!....

oh....

they didn't win that one...

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Iam Yue2
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They commence a military campaign to try and take all eyes of Hollande's
non-existent recovery plan, and then they even go and screw that up.

Not to worry, Uncle Draghi will save the day.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:18 | Link to Comment loveyajimbo
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this is nothing more than a diversion... so the sheeple in France will not notice the disaaster they have in Hollande... Much like the attack on the 2nd amendment by our own insurgent muslim... to divert the US sheeple from the continuing coverup of the failed kabuki kidnapping of our gay ambassador in Benghazi that lead to the deaths of 4 Americans...  Hillary, sorry, but we need you to go down a flight of stairs next...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Frastric
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Western military supremacy? Overstated and amounting to something akin to propaganda?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Cookie
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Just for a moment, if one assumes peak oil to be long gone, everything makes sense

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Sanksion
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Our mighty french army has the most military victories in history than any army of this shitty pale blue dot.
No rage.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Itch
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Wee wee, were is your hankie!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 17:18 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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"shitty pale blue dot"

would that be the planet Earth you're referring to?  if so, it would appear your level of thinking matches your apparent actions. . .

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 20:44 | Link to Comment nofluer
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Pardon, but could you perhaps tell us what percentage of those victories were over your own citizens? And would the French Revolution count as a victory of the French army, or the anti-monarchist people? And since Napolean was a Corsican, would his victories count as French victories or Corsican? (Napolean was born in 1769 on Corsica - the same year the French conquered the Corsican Republic.)

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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French women can fight, send in a platoon of Les Bitchez...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkv_mJa4MNE

 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment Poster_Boy
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Why is the word insurgents in quotes? it seems this Fascist site that claims that words freedom and than bans those that speak against stated ideology as professed by the coward Tyler Durden is so unoriginal he can't come up with his own name or own site. One would hope you get sued for copyright infringement since you are so big on property rights but then just steal others ideas. Byt point in fact, the Malian insurgents are more like terrorists who use Islam to impose thier will.vMoroever, this site's defense of all things ebil puts you in the same category. Go ahead thumb me down mock me as if i care what your toothless welfare hating but collecting followers think. You're all a bunch of pussies from Rush Limbaugh and this site lost its relevence in 2011. It once was good. Hey I bet after this comment I get deleted by Herr Goeblles again so you Nazi fucks can rejoice.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:45 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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'Americans' vs 'americans', the next big fight to come...

Going to be fun.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Ah, that moment.

Been following the development of the Malian crisis. Been stated that numerous times on this site, waiting for the time when 'americans' on this site,out of boredom, and always hungry for factoids that might reinforce their bias, will pay some attention.

I am loaded on the Malian crisis, which is another nice 'american' engineering.

Going to be fun indeed.

More opportunities to come in the future as 'americans' must obey their 'american' nature...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

I am loaded

I very much believing truthness of this statementation.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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one of the two c-whatevers from the UK has broken down in Paris...limited logistical support from the UK at its finest!

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Just to pretend, just to pretend...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The idea that an 'american' nation could buy a relief from this type of war is another day in the propaganda streak by 'americans'.

This war is nothing more than a new episode in the forceful urge felt by the 'american' servants to the middle class (id est politicians, corporations) to push one part of the 'american' middle class under the train in order to save the rest of it.

It is all about uranium, oil etc which at the moment are still under the custody of the 'american' trustee to the US ganglord, France.

But for the middle class to survive, some has to be sacrificed.

You wont find much middle class in the usual suspect countries, so they cant fit the bill.

But you'll find a lot of it in 'american' nations.

Hence the meek support from the other members of the gang. With France losing the custody of these resources, well, it will provide for others.

Welcome to an 'american' world, it is a cosy place to be, criminals of all types, creed, races etc love living in it.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Gibberish Unlimited

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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The idea that a Chinese citizenism nation could buy relief through flush toiletry is another day in the propagandation streak by AnAnonymous.

This effort is nothing more than a new episode in the forceful urge felt by the AnAnonymous servants to the propagandist class to squat and push the digested part of wokked household pets onto the roadside in order to consume the rest of it.

It is all about empty craniums, which at the moment are still under the custody of the Chinese Citizenism Communautist Ministry of Truth.

But for the propagandist class to survive, some dogs and cats have to be sacrificed to stir frying deliciously.

You won't find much cat frying and dog roasting in countries outside the domain of Chinese citizenism, so they can't fit the bill.

But you'll find a lot of it in Chinese citizenism nations.

Hence the cooked puppies and kittens support other members of the gang. With neighbors losing the custody of these pets, well, it will provide for others.

Welcome to an AnAnonymous world, it is a cosy place to be, cooking of all types, pets, species etc love wokking in it.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Why anyone thinks the Mali armed forces are going to stop anything eludes me. They have 7000 soldiers and no equipment. Now the Tuaregs want to fight with the French so the Mali army has to stay out of the North. France will need Tuareg fighters but have to accept partition of Mali with a Tuareg State in the North if it wants to defeat the Muslim terrorists no doubt funded by Saudi Arabia

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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You mean redrawing borders to fit ethnical purposes?

Ummm, 'americanism' in action...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Matt
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Actually, anti-Americanism. America disallowed the confederacy from seperating. If an area of a country wants independance, via majority vote of the people, why shouldn't they be allowed to seperate? 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment W74
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In a lot of African countries rifle training consists of shooting 10 live rounds per year and the basic load they carry is, what 40 rounds in 2 standard AK mags?  So when they spray and pray on full auto their two mags at a target they're unlikely to hit even if they were "aiming", then what? 

Aside from the Uganadans (met plenty of mercenaries in Iraq, many of whom have/had been soldiers in one form or another since the age of 8 or so) there isn't a professional and experienced Army in all of Sub-Saharran Africa except for what's left in S.A. thanks to the Boers/Afrikanners.  That's about it though: S.A. & Uganda.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment W74
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Also, more than likely Algeria (another formerly French colony) is funding the Tuareg insurgents.  This is too far away from, and too minor and issue, to be among Saudi's geopolitical concerns.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment etresoi
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The Tuaregs do not need Algeria and the new Algerian government has no money. 

I have spent some time with the Tuaregs in Mauritania and Western Sahara.  They have been training and organising for years, while the blue helmets of the UN forces see nothing.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment etresoi
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The French essentally have no equipment either.  The helicopter, which was shot down on the first day was fifty years old.  They could scramble a few Mirage jets but the Mirage home airport only has two or three days of bombs.  Brittain was going to resupply the bombs but have trouble getting their transport planes into the air.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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I spent a lot of time in Mali, Niger and Tchad in my younger days and I can promise you that except for some mineral resources there is absolutely nothing worth fighting over there. The only reason for any group to want to take over the government is that foreign 'aid' is the only source of cash in any of those countries. So a few thugs get to drive around in Mercedes and a few hundred more thugs get to wear spiffy uniforms with mirrored sunglasses - that's it. And the police get to extort and rape anyone they like. No infrastructure, no industries, no agriculture, no wealth. Sick and dying children, emaciated men and women, scrawny animals, and filthy water. Ever been to southern New Mexico? Imagine that landscape multiplied a hundred times over. Many centuries ago some great civilizations flourished in Mali and Niger - even Tchad had a semblance of a flourishing culture for a few hundred years. Then along came the French colonials. The French always, always followed the same strategy to maintain control of their colonies - they found the two groups who hated each other the most and egged them on. Show me a former French colony anywhere in the world that is not the victim of this strategy. The French like to admire themselves for their civilization, but underneath it all they are mostly pigs.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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It is obvious that 'americans' are not big consumers of mineral resources, so indeed, there is nothing to fight over...

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment etresoi
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The other French colonial process was to strip the country of all known assets and then proclaim the colony 'independant.'  However, the French colonialists never heard of the law of unintended consequences and now the French cities are occupied by their former subjects.

Mali is simply a staging area for the future drive southward.  The ultimate target is the oil fields of Nigeria.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 18:03 | Link to Comment Joe A
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The American strategy is to bomb the shit out of a place regardless who lives there. Call the French pigs, take a look in the mirror. The US killed millions of people since WWII in order to get to the resources or the geopolitical power they want. And you all get off on it.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment tony wilson
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excuse me english butt eye is france.

we ares very sad today to sea dis webshite spunking dis anti france rasciailims.

are paraptooters and are legion airs are on der ground and winning.

many black fellows av felt der rath of der france man

der idea dat we are loosing is filth english and amerigan proppiganja.

evry time a france marine meats a black man he is slaughter housed.

we beets all cumers you may try to mock butt like der usa in iraq,afghanistan and vietnam

we winnining

holland ares leeder is der new jewish french napoleon

only much taller and bigger in der penal love making area

viva la frence

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment jplotinus
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Bring back General Alex Dumas, the real Count of Monte Cristo!!

French problem solved. ;-p

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment zilverreiger
Mon, 01/14/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Volaille de Bresse
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Slow day at ZH? The village was attacked by TEN pick-up trucks and its startegic importance must vary between nil and zero... If you think this is a major blow, well...

But at least it enbaled the ZH regulars to barf the same old Pub jokes about the French army... which is rich coming form a nation which has lost TWO wars in a decade, one against a disarmed country (Iraq) the other against a Middle-age shithole (Afghanistan). 

Yeah rich indeed... I wonder the US Army will react when it faces an enemy of comparabel force, like the Chinese army... 10 000 deaths on the first day of fighting is my bet. 

 

Oh well Monsieur Edge (sigh). 

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 17:59 | Link to Comment Joe A
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There is always much rejoycing on ZH when the French are in a predicament. Like the US never bungled an operation. Remember the Iran hostage situation? And for the comment regarding insurgents ever making it to Paris: they are already there, terrorizing the banlieus. Europe is being overrun by these muslem scum. Everywhere they go they cause trouble, rank the crimi statistics, etc. But that is of course all the fault of these horrible Europeans.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment pashley1411
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wtf are doing conducting near simultaneous military operations on opposite sides of Africa?    If we want to do map-hoping-for-headlines, why not throw in New Guinea and the Falklands, to boot?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Mad Muppet
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Is seems damned strange to me that France would go to Mali to fight radical muslims when they won't do it at home. I guess mortars going off would spook the vaches, spoil the milk, and screw up the cheese industry.

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