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Greeks Raid Forests In Search Of Wood To Heat Homes
From Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg
Greeks Raid Forests In Search Of Wood To Heat Homes
Greece just seems to be getting worse and worse. Being the leading edge of Southern Europe’s descent into 3rd world status, Greece’s lessons are all of our lessons, as I outlined in my piece last year The Global Spring. From the Wall Street Journal:
EGALEO, Greece—While patrolling on a recent cold night, environmentalist Grigoris Gourdomichalis caught a young man illegally chopping down a tree on public land in the mountains above Athens.
When confronted, the man broke down in tears, saying he was unemployed and needed the wood to warm the home he shares with his wife and four small children, because he could no longer afford heating oil.
Tens of thousands of trees have disappeared from parks and woodlands this winter across Greece, authorities said, in a worsening problem that has had tragic consequences as the crisis-hit country’s impoverished residents, too broke to pay for electricity or fuel, turn to fireplaces and wood stoves for heat.
Such woodcutting was last common in Greece during Germany’s brutal occupation in the 1940s, underscoring how five years of recession and waves of austerity measures have spawned drastic measures.
“The average Greek will throw anything into the fireplace that can be burned, ranging from old furniture with lacquer, to old books with ink, in order to get warm,” said Stefanos Sapatakis, an environmental-health officer at the Hellenic Center for Disease Control and Prevention.
Glad Europe is fixed.
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Finally Greeks doing a hard days work
This is what happened in North Korea -- whole hillsides denuded by people cutting down any plant life.
Of course, they were eating it rather than burning it, but the principal is the same....
"We're not lazy, we're resting." Mr. Panos
The Monetary Revolution will be so fucking righteous.
How many BTUs in a banker?
There's more return in a politician. You can keep them for their continual spewing of shit and burn that, thereby ensuring a continued supply of flammable material.
the solution to this is obvious: the Greek Central Bank should print money that people can burn to stay warm.
"How many BTUs In a banker"
Didn't You Hear, Thats What The OIL-SANDS Were Formed From...
Why do they need to heat homes while global warming is going on?
“How many BTUs in a banker?”
Hmm..
100K BTU = 1 Therm
100K Therm= 1 Dimon
100K Dimon = 1 Blankfrein
100K Blankfein= 1 Rothschild
100K Roschild = ?
At that point you’re at the temperature of the universe just after space-time (1032 (100 million trillion trillion) degrees) or hell, however you care to look at it.
where'd the people go who said humans would "just figure something out" instead of acting like deer on an island?
How about that Stone head on the Island look?
Burning 100K Rothchilds = A GOOD START!
Credit, debit and EBT cards smell bad when you burn them, another good reason to hold FRNs.
I can hear it now, "silver and gold coins, you can't burn them...."
can't burn 'em. can't eat 'em. wtf are they good for?
Pablo Escobar burned bales of millions in cash to keep his daughter warm in the mountains when they were hiding out-I think The Bernank likes that idea
BTU = banker thermal unit so the answer is 1.
Light them a fire, keep them warm for the night. Light them on fire, keep them warm for the rest of their lives.
Love this! You have the greatest turn-of-phrase here tonight, Nan.
+1000
Not enought: we need to pile them high.
How many BTUs in a banker?
Depends on Fat density, but on average very well....give one a try...soon!
How many BTUs in a banker? Ask IG Farben.
What kind of wood burns green?
Fiat paper.
LONG WOOD!
see above
Can anyone say, "tragedy of the commons"?
Greece is headed for disaster if they continue along this route. And the rest of us have will have to pay the environmental/economic costs.
The Greeks only need to look West to see their fate: Haiti*
*another small nation forced and beaten into submission by Western powers. And if you have no idea what I am talking about... read a book for a change.
Haiti thinks it's Blanche DuBois ("I've always relied on the kindness of strangers").
By weight, tires have more BTUs than coal.
Just sayin'...
Plus, tires come in handy for necklacing banksters.
Just fill'em with petrol, and flick in a match.
There's nothing to see there..........keep moving along! The Super Bowl will be here soon again and that's bullish for beer, processed junk food, and wife beatings!!!
long wife beating
Epic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvl9N9GdraQ
You can get far more btu's from burning corrupt politicians, banksters burn nicely as well. The fuckin' trees didn't cretae this mess, leave 'em alone!
The MSM is trying very hard to make Europe's problems "disappear" -- not covering them. Salute and kudos to Tyler for keeping us informed on what is happening in Greece, Spain and even France (the big domino, when France goes, then...).
Greece is a couple or so years ahead of California, barring a near miracle in California. California almost always leads the rest of the USA by a year or two.
Watch Europe! Our future...
Why don't they just get heat from the government? Doesn't everything come from the government? Food, heat, housing, everything comes from the government. Help me understand!
Obamalogs coming to a FEMA stove soon.
Re: "The MSM is trying very hard to make Europe's problems "disappear" -- not covering them."
That's an important point. A lot of dark stuff from the 1930s Depression disappeared down the memory hole. People were ashamed, so didn't talk about it. My grandfather saw things that you will NOT find in the historical record. The most traumatic for him was having to stop the speeder he drove on the railway to push starved bodies off the tracks.
For different reasons, neither the Greek people nor the controlled European media want their shame broadcast.
None of it is liable to perturb the OWG psychopaths.
The government is broke. It is a black hole of corruption at all levels. The private sector was sacrificed to buy the public sector some time but there is now no juice left to squeeze out. ...Eventually you run out of other people's money. Meanwhile the ASX rallies coz, you know, the crisis is over! I know one company to which the government owes 125 million and that company has a market cap of 350 million. This is common. Meanwhile you go to jail ( well, in theory, after 10-15 years of court theater) if you owe the government more than 150k, even if they owe you more XD
DoChen, didn't you hear? Jerry Brown says with all the new taxes rolling in Ca is fixed. Surpluses coming, they will be able to pay down there debt lol.
Where debt?
Not really... Given our federal/state system and open borders, those on the government tit can simply move to where the cost of living is cheaper and some semblance of infrastructure exists, much like locusts... the problem with moral hazard is that the prudent are universally and mercilessly punished.
DoChen, you seriously call this little story from Mike Krieger information?
no wonder you cant see the forest for the trees......
there aint no damn trees!!!!
If it gets real cold, I'm going to burn down my neighbors house while he's in Florida. Should be good for one night
Burning down other people's houses is how the government keeps itself toasty warm. Don't be like them.
Yeah. Next up : eating grass soup... and making yourself puke so you can eat your own puke so you feel like you had another meal...
/I'm not making this up, people in NKorea are doing this.
My Rottweiler likes to do that.
my dog does it too, i just thought he wanted a warm meal....
Even my aristocratic arrogant dog bitch does it, and she could teach us a thing or two about killing in style.
Disclaimer : Eats grass for a purge only, will bite if offered cake ...
Grass soup is mighty tasty if it is seasoned with tree bark, rocks, and landmine triggers.
Just like Haiti too. The land has been stripped of everything. Why does Tyler have a picture of some fat guy in the Midwest chopping wood in his backyard? LOL!
Haiti is nice and diverse tho.
Isn't there another nation on that island? Wonder how they're doing....
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/01/haiti-chavez-clinton-big-truck.html
Better than Haiti is. The other nation is like paradise by comparison.
Gee? How can that be? They're on the same island. It's almost as if the people on the western side are different from those on the eastern side and that this, instead of "well, we're just in the west so we must screw everything up" aka Jared Diamond GGS thesis, is responsible for the MASSIVE disparity in outcome.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say that one half is typical of a nation where its demographic is common and the other half is likewise typical of a nation where THAT demographic is common.
Kind of like comparing Sierra Leone to Honduras.
The entire colony was freed at the same time, had the same history, yet the discrepancy in outcome is massive. Go figure. SURELY this must be the result of oppression and exploitation by the eastern part against the western part...there just CAN'T be any hereditary component to this, because the MSM says that thinking that is evil and they always tell the truth about everything.
The difference beteen Haiti and the DR is the difference between colonial French and colonial Spanish. Look around the world at the former French colonies and the former Spanish colonies - note the differences. Not that all colonial powers aren't by definition evil arrogant tyrants - but there are big differences between what the French left behind vs the Spanish.
Zischka,
Welcome back from your race trolling vacation.
France never forgave Haiti for gaining her freedom, and they punished her mercilessly. Imagine a newly independent United States forced to pay reparations to Britain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti_indemnity_controversy
According to Pat Robertson (stupid old fart!), Haiti made a pact with the Devil, and is suffering the consequences. Welfare neighborhoods in the US (and pretty much every place else!) are gonna suffer just like Haiti, for pretty much the same reasons.
Dominican Republic's environment isn't as dry. Also, the DR had rulers who monopolized the lumber business- this essentially kept the DR from being clear-cut and its soils eroded. Haiti was exploited and left to rot...
Not to mention Easter Island...
quote from: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/07/easter-island/bloch-text
New evidence suggests that it may have been the importation of rats that ate the seeds required for regrowth but the lesson is still the same. When exponential growth (and resulting debt obligations) meets limited resources you can bet that something is going to have to give.
Greece is going to begin looking an awful lot like Haiti and then everyone will simply leave. It's still the EU after all!
Greece will never actually even vaguely resemble Haiti.
The North Koreans aren't cutting down trees to burn them. They are cutting down trees to EAT them.
In Haiti they were eating mud pies! One has to wonder which is worse... minerals in one, sap in another. Both, however, not likely to offset the energy the body would consume in trying to process either.
But according to AnAnonymous, I thought the Easter Islanders all fell prey to blobbing-up time-traveling US 'american' citizenism brought to them via the magical lightning-powered flying rickshaw of Benjamin Franklin inventionism of US 'american' fabled past?
Ah, ah, Jared Diamond using US citizenism 'american' offuscationary smoking screen to cover up secret Ben Franklinist time travel rickshaw apparatus invention in order to increase crop yield when farming the poor.
They wasted all their productive time carving those stupid statues instead of farming and then cut all the trees down to move them around the island. Seems like the quintessential government project.
Like any BIG project.
Industrialists have clear-cut, strip-mined and generally fucked up quite a bit w/o govt involvement. If nothing else, the inefficiency of govt would mean that they're less able to as much damage: and when it is realized that growth is literally consuming us (the planet and our ability to sustain ourselves) this might not be as bad as people think (refer to my note above about the reason why the Dominican Republic wasn't denuded like Haiti).
BIG = FAIL!
The Karankawa indians on the coast of Texas were noted for two things - their practice of eating their enemies including Spaniards who were washed ashore after hurricanes, and another gourmet delight called "Second Harvest", in which the Karankawa picked through their own feces for any undigested bits of food and, well, you know.
In Jared Diamond's 'Collapse', he outlined the fact that heavy deforestation (eg Haiti) is one of the main reasons for societal collapse.
They did not do enough fiscal stimulus to sovle that problem! Instead they probably ate Polynesian Krugman.
have him explain Detroit then. Or Newark...or Camden, Birmingham...and Rhodesia and on and on.
There's a cause of societal collapse between all these and it's the same cause.
It's over by y'alls third rail. Diamond has a rail over there too.
Or, have YOU try to explain the collapse of Easter Island, or the Mayan civilization, or the Mississippian Culture in pre-Columbian North America, or the Norse Greenland colonies, or the Mangarevan Pacific Islanders, NONE of whom were bedeviled by the "darkies" that you obsess about and hate so much.
The Norse Greenland colonies failed because they got stuck in a decades long war of attrition with the indigent population. Not sure if that supports your argument or Trav's and don't really care.
Actually, the evidence for direct hostilities between the Norse and the Inuit is rather sparse and inconclusive. Yes, there were certainly conflicts between the two groups, but those conflicts almost certainly did not play the major, or even a significant, role in the decline and death of the Norse Greenland colonies, almost all the evidence pointing to environmental factors instead (the cooling of the climate due to the onset of the Little Ice Age, and the shortening of the already critically-short growing season in Greenland that resulted from it).
Travis is angry because he needs a date and a better job. You'll find his pleas all over the interwebs.
Wow, this is just sad.
http://schiffblog.blogspot.ca/
They should grab the banksters, elitists, luciferians, corporate cronys, and most politicians... Dry them out, chop them up, and you should have enough kindling and logs to carry you through spring. This way they'd be doing two fantastic and practical things that would benefit them all at once!!!
...and Haiti, too. Haiti was a net exporter of food until the US and France forced it to open up its markets to cheap rice imports, putting independent farmers out of work and forcing everyone to cut down anything that burns (no one could afford propane for cooking anymore), and now the hillsides are almost completely washed away.
But hey, it's nothing personal...just business.
Sorry, but we're only allowed to say that governments fuck things up!
That guy in the picture is definitly an american, he is way to fat to be greek.
I have a forest in Southern Germany that needs some work. I pay 7 EUR per hour. Any Greeks interested?
No Greeks interested in working as usual.... I would supply heated accomodation!
the eco police will shoot wood thieves on sight... the wood in the king's forest is not for peasants!
we have heavily armed county forest preserve police around to keep that from happening
Those with the authority to "protect" something, are those with the power to sell it on the black market. Forest preserve would ignore federal laws and sell firewood to local population, accept bribes etc.
Forests are looked at as big stacks of money. The governments that collect taxes from those who earn their wages sell the logging rights to corporations (corporations that pay no taxes) for a fee and the corporations turn profit by selling the goods.
As for you? Do not think you are allowed to make any decisions as for how the forest is to be used. That is what your benevolent government is for.
There are already often expensive requirements for permits to be obtained before you can cut down larger trees in many urban areas.
They will probably expand this to rural forested lands as well under the guise of carbon taxation.
Vertically-integrated lumber companies in the US plant approximately 6 trees for each tree harvested per year and have been for at least 4 decades.
I guess Greece should hang on to the Euro until there is nothing left to burn
Pretty soon they will be burning FRNs to stay warm
try bankers and eurocrats instead... all that fat, really gets a mean fire going.
Give them all a free Obama phone!
They don't burn that long unless the human owner is still attatched to it.
Arent banksters and their bought off politicians made of wood?
Hmmm...just ask'n
If politicians are made of wood then they will float. So, if they weigh the same as a duck...
...very small rocks.
Gravy!
Maybe I should head over there and show them how to buy the dip.... teach a man to fish and all that.
lol
Olive tapenade?
Me into google = "does dried feces burn"
Google's first result: "Question: Does horse poop burn good? Answer: Dried feces of any kind from horses or cows can make good tinder for primitive fire-making."
See, this really isn't a problem. Greeks just leave your feces in the sun for a day or 2 and voila.
Listen, don't tell Greeks to burn horseshit. That would consume their entire society!
They should've thought about that before they contracted Hercules to clean the Augean stables...
If you don't have food, do you still have feces?
In Greek, that's "eureka!"
I doubt the Greeks are eating plant matter to that degree. ?(•?•)?
I saw some program where a woman in Africa had a business where she collected cow shit and made them into paddies and stuck them to the wall of her shack and when they dried she sold them for fuel. I wonder if she needed a license for that and if the government told her what size to make them and if she had to wear gloves and a hair net.
I hope it was organic cow shit. It's for the kids sake.
just bag it up and sell it further south as jenkem
yeah but the EU won a nobel peace prize. carry on.
And the Greeks are Socialists, right? So how could this be possible?
Seems oil may not be sufficiently socialist.
Why don't they tear down the banks and put them into the fireplace.
Why don't they tear down the BANKERS and put them into the fireplace.
fify
Is it coming our way? Methinks yes.
Not without serious backlash.
The Sheeple think it will never happen here. Instead of fighting over Air Jordans and TVs people will be fighting over Ramen noodles can't wait to see the spin on CNN or CNBC.
It won't be televised. When the shtf all you will see is a test pattern or Obama reading from the prompter. About the same amount of info/truth ether way I guess.
Yea, but their stock market is up 100% since June!
Meanwhile ALL European Incices hit new 52 week highs
This could be our future too. Keep spending and we too will be looking to keep warm with wood.
Don't be ridiculous, it is probably a gipsy that has been caught cutting wood illegally. Whoelse in EU (except gipsies) has 4 kids?!? Gipsies are the poorest ethnic group in the Balkans.
Moreover, Greeks that have homes rarely nead heating in winter, it is quite warm over there.....
Shame on you. They are the Romani people, the EU PC thugs will be after you for using the G-word.
haha Romani like from Rome, no?
Please, give me a break :)))))
No, like Romania, which itself was named after Rome. But the Gypsies originated in India.
I thought it came from "roam."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJzuqZEbFHQ
For TRUTH's sake:
Athens weather forcast: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/264371
Now, it is up to you guys to make up your mind about the article
"Greeks that have homes rarely nead heating in winter, it is quite warm over there....."
I gather you have never spent a winter anywhere near Greece.
TRUE, I've never spent a winter in Greece and WRONG I spend every winter near Greece. It is just that I have visted Greece in winter quite a few times :) ...
Next door in Albania, trees have been mighty scarce for some time. This may be the end for many of those beautiful 100s of years old olive trees.
That would be a fucking tragedy. Someone's great^200 grandpappy planted it to support his children, some poor bastard will cut it down to do the same, but with 1/365,000th the effect.
This is bad for the guys that have to live in the forest and eat berries because they don't have a government job.
Fuck you malaka! lol
Real sustainable... just like the Greek keynesian bullshit...
just out Eurozone risks are now manageable even if Greece falters on reform according to a senior German lawmaker
How many banksters dicks has this guy sucked before breakfast?
Bankers produce approximatly 3,800 BTU's when set on fire, or the equivialant of 100 watts. Depends on which type of accelerant is used to begin with, results may vary.
a lot of wood in abandoned houses-maybe detroit will rebound after the SHTF
While the scum in NY are trying to start a civil war :
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gun-Control-Assault-Weapons-Ban-Mag...
NY Has Tentative Deal on Gun Control: APThe tentative agreement would further restrict New York's ban on assault weapons and limit the size of magazines to seven bullets, rather than the current 10.
They are about to making hundreds of thousands people felons... if they go for confiscation it won't be pretty.
7 fucking bullets-it takes 2x that to put a meth head down. I thought we were screwed here in IL. I also see that they will make it easier in NY to get people locked up that are deemed a "threat to others"-its all dovetailing quite nicely.
My Ruger 10/22 is now an assault rifle as it can accept 10, 30, and 50 round mags. Fear my EBG bitchez.
Before eBay shut down all auctions involving magazines of any caliber 10 rds., the markup on BX-25 mags was incredible. A guy I work with sold three at an average price of 78$. They are infinitely better than that Butler Creek garbage.
Glad I picked some up back in October. Thought I was over-paying at $35/ea. I would have bought them all had I known what was going to happen to the price.
Not true there are lots of mags still available on Ebay. Just search and see for yourself.
There are NOT lots of mags available. Search for bx25 in sporting goods.
There is one and the bidding is at $132.50 with 6 days left.
Shut the hell up if you didn't look before you shot your mouth off.
And 'One Shot' Connecticut: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/TOB/S/2013SB-00122-R00-SB.htm
Statement of Purpose:
To reduce the use of guns for criminal purposes.