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Greeks Raid Forests In Search Of Wood To Heat Homes
From Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg
Greeks Raid Forests In Search Of Wood To Heat Homes
Greece just seems to be getting worse and worse. Being the leading edge of Southern Europe’s descent into 3rd world status, Greece’s lessons are all of our lessons, as I outlined in my piece last year The Global Spring. From the Wall Street Journal:
EGALEO, Greece—While patrolling on a recent cold night, environmentalist Grigoris Gourdomichalis caught a young man illegally chopping down a tree on public land in the mountains above Athens.
When confronted, the man broke down in tears, saying he was unemployed and needed the wood to warm the home he shares with his wife and four small children, because he could no longer afford heating oil.
Tens of thousands of trees have disappeared from parks and woodlands this winter across Greece, authorities said, in a worsening problem that has had tragic consequences as the crisis-hit country’s impoverished residents, too broke to pay for electricity or fuel, turn to fireplaces and wood stoves for heat.
Such woodcutting was last common in Greece during Germany’s brutal occupation in the 1940s, underscoring how five years of recession and waves of austerity measures have spawned drastic measures.
“The average Greek will throw anything into the fireplace that can be burned, ranging from old furniture with lacquer, to old books with ink, in order to get warm,” said Stefanos Sapatakis, an environmental-health officer at the Hellenic Center for Disease Control and Prevention.
Glad Europe is fixed.
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Are the fascists crazy or do they think we are?
I'm pretty sure it's them but I'll be able to tell better when my meds wear off...
"Most New York City gun crimes involve weapons illegally brought into the state, state and city officials say."
Yeah, more laws for NY. It's working so well. Fucking idiots....
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The state of NY and NYC are polaric opposites. May work in NYC but no way Jose in CHENANGO CTY. That place makes WV or Arkansas look like SOHO.
...if they go for confiscation...
Who?
http://www.ekathimerini.com/
Greek ND party building taken under gun fire this morning (about 17 hours ago from this post), nobody hurt
This comes after firebombings earlier this week of establishment journalists private homes, and also some politician family homes got firebombs. All with noone hurt so far.
So much for selling olive oyl...
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-warns-employers-do-not-try-avoid-oba...
IRS Warns Employers: Do Not Try to Avoid ObamaCare Insurance
The Internal Revenue Service warned employers in a new regulatory proposal not to come up with clever schemes to avoid Obamacare’s employer health insurance mandate.
The IRS said it would soon issue “anti-abuse rules” to discourage employers from taking advantage of any regulatory loopholes.
Tyranny we can believe in.
In other words, they won't be allowed to switch employees to part-time to avoid paying insurance, so they'll have to lay them off altogether.
Genius.
You can't argue with Keynesians otherwise, you love turruristz!
My employer is already taking measures. All managers have been made part time as they brought on a few more to fill the holes.
F the IRS!
Long rocket mass heaters
http://www.wboc.com/story/20580934/delaware-officials-unveil-gun-legisla...
Del. Officials Unveil Gun Legislation
Gov. Jack Markell is proposing background checks for private gun sales as part of a new package of gun control legislation for Delaware.
The proposal to end the so-called gun show loophole is one of several announced by state officials Monday following the massacre at an elementary school in Connecticut last month. Other include banning military-style, assault-type weapons and ammunition clips holding more than five rounds for rifles and 10 rounds for handguns.
Officials also are proposing a ban on guns within 1,000 feet of schools and mandatory reporting of lost and stolen firearms.
Attorney General Beau Biden said the proposed ban on assault-type weapons likely will generate the most intense debate in the legislature, but that he believes it is consistent with the Second Amendment right to bear arms...
Tyranny, when it rains, it pours.
This is your THIRD post in this thread, none of your replies remotely related to the article's topic.
Assuming you are human, not a bot program, why don't you go over and clutter up Yahoo Finance or CNBC or something.
Maybe something like this:
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Come on. I'm helping people being informed... the statists are on the full on attack against the second amendment...
Amen.
Right, like we're severly lacking in threads related to that topic on ZH. Just had to post it here. I don't even disagree with you. I didn't down arrow you. Just suggesting that it's not the right thread for it, unless it's your intent to be here just to muddy the water.
I see a connection between the Greeks cutting green wood for heat because the government has failed them and the current attempt to grab guns while our own country is in dire financial straits.
Having served evil, fear of the reckoning compels rulers to disarm their subjects, while themselves enjoying the protection of the Praetorians.
It's all connected, man.
"Officials also are proposing a ban on guns within 1,000 feet of schools"
and lets not forget to ban :
- the outbreak of any disease within 1000 feet of a hospital
- the reporting of burning buildings within 1000 feet of
an active firefighters residence
- the spreading of imperial lies or the questioning thereof
further than 4000 miles from Washington, D.C.
- any critical thinking not sanctioned within the official
media loop , or the appearance thereof...
They think if there's a law for it, a magic force field will appear, disabling all guns within 1000 feet of schools... and if you live within 1000 feet of a school... no 2nd amendment right for ya, bitchez!
We've witness how well the whole Schools as Gun Free Zones has worked.
And this is better than leaving the Euro, defaulting and issuing devalued Drachmas how exactly?
They could have been through this stage ALREADY and making the turn back up (Iceland). Now they have no end to this kind of pain. No hope it will be better later. Just more of this as far as the eye can see.
This is why it's better to fight the 2nd amendment incursions IN THIS THREAD than worry about the damn Greeks who are already FUBAR.
Underlying theme the same: Fucked up governance.
As if the Enviromental-health officer should care if their is laquer on the furniture or ink in the books.
With the amount of Atmospheric Aerosol Spraying Going On Around The World,does it really fucking matter what the peasants do to the air?
It will never come close to doing the damage that the terroist that spay us with chemicals and heavy meatals are doing to the planet and the people.
......................Stop S.A.G.................................
.....................Stop HAARP...............................
Burning a chair or a book...?
WHO GIVES A FUCK..
Idiot.
HAARP is not your problem.
Get an education.
Idiot.
(Another F'ing internet patriot who thinks he knows SCIENCE)
PS And neither is 'atmospheric spraying'.
That's got to be the WORST method to disperse supposed 'additives' for ppl to ingest ... NEVER MIND that adding stuff to the WATER would be much more effective.
Idiot.
some info you will never see in our mainstream democratic medias : men open fire at Greek PM with AK47 today
http://rt.com/news/greece-man-opens-fire-951/
How come when i want some info i have to visit ZH (a blog), RT (russian network) or PressTV (iranian network) ? who's democratic and free in this world ? the "terrorists" or us ?
The American press is free to lie to you. It's in the constitution. Government regulation keeps the media market in select hands so that truth telling (which would be a huge selling point in a free market) is not a problem.
So what's the latest on Lindsy Lohan?
".....Keeps the media market in select hands......"
You realize that just for a small instance,
Andrea Mitchell the NBC reporter and Sr. News Anaylist is Alan Greenspan's wife. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Mitchell Tucker Carlson's Mother was a Swanson Heiress to the Swanson corporation Anderson Cooper's Mom was Gloria Vanderbilt. nuff said Christiane Amanpour's Husband James P. Rubin was the State Department spokesman during Clinton. These people ARE the elite establishment. THAT is the slant you will get. Imagine Andrea Mitchell doing a "Indepth investigation piece" on the Mortagage Melt Down and interview Alan Greenspan(her husband)? Oh, and on Interviewing Henry Paulson she might say, He's a very nice man, in fact Alan and I were in the Hamptons with him and his wife last weekend at a small party. Nice seeing all our old friends..... Ya think she's or any of them are gonna give it to you "Straight" Bunky?Don't forget Zbig's daughter.
Incest.
govt and news (agitprop) ppl.
Yes, I have mental images of her wearing a Black SS uniform, Thigh High Black Boots ......
With a Ridng Crop.
RT is the Voice of America for the new millennium, only the roles are reversed and now the Ruskies get to help un-disinform Americans. However, like VoA of old, I'll bet RT's ability/willingness to embarrass Russian powers-that-be is highly limited and selective depending on which gangsters are to be embarrassed.
Paul Craig Roberts has a very interesting take on RT's position on gun control in the US. You notice Max Keiser, who works for RT soon took up an anti gun position.
http://lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts382.html
Good article, thanks Oldrepublic.
keeping warm these greek hotties is a noble cause....
they must stay warm till summer!!!
then we ll offer them all the warmth they need.
http://www.naughtynomad.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=530&page=2
Fuck or freeze.
first it's trees, then grass, then books...
Of all my grand collections, it is only books that
keep me warm .
Not quite the rare books I collected for decades,
but most of what has been printed in the wake of
progressive thought for the last 99 years goes straight
through the chimney at my place as by-catch in my search for truth.
This is my coming out from my libraries.
I seem to remember there is plenty of paper knocking around the Greek Finance Ministry.
Alternatively throw Venizelos on the fire. Talk about feeding the five thousand!
We are all Pikies.
They are not deadbeats. There, fixed it.
Of course that would NEVER happen in the US. Why?
Because the EPA is banning wood burning stoves!
http://beforeitsnews.com/tea-party/2013/01/new-epa-regulations-to-ban-ma...
BBQ's can't be too far behind
What if they wrote a law and no one obeyed it?
Such a concept ended Prohibition.
It doesn't seem to be ending prohibition currently though.
Mike next time you talk to Max Keiser remind him that the "Crash JPM - Buy Silver" movement was started not by him but here on Zero Hedge.
Thank you and have a nice day.
the guy looks he needs the exercise.
isn't this what happened on Easter Island? which has a lot of monuments to their golden age.
Sounds like North Korea during the famine or inner city US where people will steal anything on sight......
In NK, the entire landscape looked like the lunar surface until reforrestation stored some vegetation. People will do anything desparate in poverty.
Hopefully inflation is coming soon... http://abovethelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/burning-money.jpg
Don't worry Greek ppl. Summer is just around the corner.
I am sure the Banksters are pissed about this...what with losing an opportunity to buy up all the trees in Greece and then give the Greeks loans so they could by firewood.
I went long Greek donkey carts over two years ago. I knew they'd have to haul "stuff" in something.
The thing that sucks about socialism (other than socialism itself) is that when it collapses, the bureaucracy running it shifts from "dolling goodies" to "OK, now it's time to give us all of your remaining goodies because for us, the gravy train cannot stop. BTW, those goodies we want from you include that wood you just chopped down because you're so fucked".
The American Main Stream Media has gone into silence over the European crisis. They attempt to hide the collapse of European nations like Greece and Spain to keep American consumers confident and willing to borrow money and spend. They also sweep Europe's disaster under the rug to help maintain equity share prices in the markets, spuring the wealth effect and more consumer confidence.
The MSM is a wholly owned tool of corporate America and is NOT a news reporting organization. They report only what the corporate masters demand be reported, like great American military victories in Afghnistan, and ignore the collapse of a number of European nations.
Like the crisis in Eastern Europe, the US media reports nothing from the Baltic states down to Bulgaria, as if these nations do not exist.
Rumania is about to get full EU membership, in the United Kingdom, the government social welfare system and national health service is said to be bracing for a mass immigration of Rumanians seeking free housing, food, education, health care and monthly cash payments. According to EU dictates Britain must take all comers, and to fund them and house them fully. Native British are being put at the back of the line for all benefits in order to make room for the flood of Rumanians seeking British free living handouts and housing. The UK can do nothing to stop it, it is the EU law. UK taxpayers owe every Rumanian a living, free of charge. You think that sounds nuts? Look into it, it is the law of the EU. Bend over British, you are going to take it in the ass again!
There is an opt-out cla use when it comes to allowing in citizens from new EU members but the UK (unlike most other EU countries) never use it because UK elites are major fans of labor arbitrage.
Romanians that do go there will find it extremely difficult to access welfare.
I have family in the Netherlands it's beyond bad very hard to find any job.Rising costs and on and on they hate the Euro. Europe is the opening act ...
Are you fucking retarded? Romania is about to get FULL UE membership?!!!! You fucking retard, the country is in the UE since 2007 and mind you, is a NET contributor to the UE budged. So...are you still scared that Romanians, of all people, are going to crush the UK, whilst there are millions of former crown countries emigrants flooding the country every year and more millions have done so for the last 40 years?
Can you explain how the Bulgarians and the Romanians (remember, UE members since 2007) waited to flock to the UK for 6 years now? A hell of a wait if you ask me...
Weren't the Poles also going to take over UK few years ago also?
BTW, stop drinking the politician's kool-aid that only keep you distracted from the real enemy, THEM and their handlers!
Yes, because the Rumanians were not YET allowed full rights in the EU. They went through a trail period with limited EU rights. Check into it. This trial phase is about to end and the right of movement within the EU is about to kick in. If you don't believe me, just google the story, it has been all over the UK news papers.
And if you can't disagree with me without running your foul mouth, at least check into the story and see that you are right first. Rumania was in the EU, YES, BUT NOT under full rights until now. Check it out, I am right, you are wrong.
Unlike you, I have no need to run a foul mouth and embarass myself on a public discussion board. Does foul language and abuse make you a better man? Really, does it? I doubt it, it just shows what a bore you are. And nothing is worse than a bore who is wrong. Or are you a Rumanian bore, who is packing his bag to head to the UK for free living on the UK taxpayers shilling? The PM of Britian has promised to try and look into UK rights to limit immigration from the new FULL members Rumania and Bulgaria. As of now, it looks like the EU retains the right to sue the UK to force the rights of free movement.
Try researching you position before calling people borish names that most of us left behind when we grew out of our teenage years.
See you in the dole queu! Mate!
"Rumania is about to get full EU membership, in the United Kingdom, the government social welfare system and national health service is said to be bracing for a mass immigration of Rumanians seeking free housing, food, education, health care and monthly cash payments".
There is no half membership for any EU country, so even if i do have a foul mouth, that doesn't make me wrong, but you are still wrong.
My point is that this is all hyped up by politicians (as was the case for Poles in the past), to scare the flock into submission. And i do know about the press campaign, is just that, a campaign. On one side you are bitching about US MSM that does not report shit and on the other side you take the UK MSM bullshit line, hook and sinker. Do the British workers earned more before the first EU enlargement? Were Greeks, Portuguese and Spanish workers flocked and overwhelmed UK in the 80? Did Czech, Hungarian, Slovak or Slovenian workers overwhelmed UK in the 90s? Did the pay go down due to lesser Europeans countries workers muscling out the British worker or were there any other causes?
How can you be so naive (foul mouth in check) to believe this male bovine excrement spewed by notorious lairs? What would you think about yourself when this scare fails to materialize, as others have done in the past? Isn't it better to wise up now and save yourself unwarranted stress?
Btw, the combined population of Bulgaria and Romania is not even close to 30 million, would the UK need to import 4-5 more million workers from other places to reach the number paddled by the truthful UK MSM, quoting the paragon of truthfulness, the Prime Fucking Minister?!!
Wtf man!
Indeed WTF Man? I seriously detect that I have found a nerve. Usually when I find a nerve I know I have hit too close to the truth and somebody is seriously pissed off that I have hit a sarcred cow.
I don't pretend to know your mind. I don't think I want to. You are entitled to your opinions. But if you take the trouble to CHECK the EU program for Romania and Bulgaria you would know that the people did not YET enjoy the right to free movement. And YES there is LESS than full membership rights as nations are ansorbed into the EU. Anybody in Europe could tell you that fact. It is common knowledge and recorded in any number of media sources.
Have they tried out the cured timber at the downtown office highrises? Especially the bank suites? Long burning hardwood, I hear.
Operation Trojan Horse: Dress like Trojans (Turks!), blame them.
;-)
Cutting trees is a well known phenomena. One of the penultimate indicators of system collapse. I saw it when I was a kid in Central Europe.
Done by hand saw at night. You cut it one night, come back next and cut the branches, etc. The trunk is cut below dirt. In two days you put dirt over it and the tree disappears: sort of like people in Argentina and other places.
When they start burning eachother's houses, then you have a story.
Indeed. But the fences go first! Only two more months to the first day of Spring.
new Greek currency = BTU, in tree form
no carbon tax (yet)
A gunman opened fire on the headquarters of Greece’s ruling New Democracy party in a seemingly randomized shooting spree. The building was empty at the time of the attack, but one round hit the office where the Greek PM sometimes works.
Spokesperson for the Greek government Simos Kedikoglou told press that no party members were in the building at the time of the attack and that one of the stray bullets had hit the window of the office where the Prime Minister occasionally works.Well maybe the Greeks will turn to prison rules now ?
This will be very common in US once the SHTF..
I wonder how the deer population is doing?
Hate to say it ... but this guy doesn't look like he's missed too many meals lately.
could be building a boat. 500 of them storming the IMF.
What if the Greek Government repudiated all its debt? Would this guy then be able to buy heating oil rather than chop down everybody's trees?
What if Greece also repudiated all the private debt Greeks took on when rates fell after joining the euro, and everybody went crazy speculating on property and Porsche Cayennes? Would this guy then be able to buy heating oil rather than chop down everybody's trees?
What if Greece also left the euro and reissued the drachma? Would this guy then be able to buy heating oil rather than chop down everybody's trees?
What if Greece also issued a new currency backed by its 300 tonnes of gold? Would this guy then be able to buy heating oil rather than chop down everybody's trees?
I suspect the trees are coming down regardless. I appreciate people both inside and outside Greece want to be angry, but toward what should this anger be directed? The day Greece joined the euro mechanism was the day that set this entire string of events in motion. Austerity isn't what's hurting the Greeks, and debt repudiation isn't going to make Greece prosperous anytime soon. Not having any money---either to spend or pay back debt---along with a lack of competitiveness is what is hurting Greeks. The cure for that is a little more difficult.
Incidentally, the vast majority of Greeks still want to remain in the euro mechanism. Given that mindset, it is a little simplistic to say "it's all the bankers' fault". At what point do people have to accept responsibility for their own actions? Isn't that what "liberty" is all about?
It is all about surrendring sovereignty to Europe & having access to Greece's Oil and gas reserves.
Having relatives in Greece I can assure you that things are very hard for a segment of the population. People like you and me, two income families that pay their taxes, that work hard for their kids, have in a few short months gone from living comfortable middle class lifestyles to near poverty. Don't believe the MSM that paints all Greeks as lazy, tax evading assholes. Take a look in your respective public sectors and ask yourself do you trust your public officials? and how will your communities be affected if unemplyment shot to almost 30% officially?
It is true that a Greek bloated public sector that afforderded good pay and benefits, relative to the private sector,is being hit by across the board cuts. The net result is that reduced wages for goverment employees result in lower spending of said workers and a cascade of reduction in consumer products for the private sector. A death spiral is in full force. What I am suprised about being a Greek is how much longer will it be before the people lose it tottally and they start hanging politicians and bankers. Mark my words, I know the Greek psyche , it is coming and it will be ugly.
There is no way out of this mess other than complete and total revolution against the banking cartel.
When Italy falls, the time that it will take for France and Germany to fall financially will be quick. It is a forgone conclusion that Portugal, Spain, Greece and Ireland are "gone". Contrary to what people think the Euro will remain. Europen sovereignty will be lost in the process.
What will happen to our beloved America? Rewind back 30 yeras and play forward. How much have we changed. From a country that produced everything, very low external debt, and generally safe country to a third world like crime infested cities, huge debt and a recent assaut on our 2nd Amendment. A financial crisis and the push to get our weapons are the next to last steps in surrendering more of our sovereignty to international banks and organizations.
What people seem to lose sight off, is that the situation in Greece begun getting out of hand approximately 15 years ago when all of the sudden the goverment started borrowing in order to prepare for the Olympics, borrowing to buy submarines and guns from Germany, as opposed to cheaper offerings from USA, and adropping interest rates from 20+% to under 3%. That action alone caused the housing market to explode and people to all of a sudden be indebted to the banks.
Similar actions have caused indebtness in Spain, Portugal, Iceland, Italy, Iceland, America, Japan and soon to come to France, Germany and China. When the dust of this financial crisis settles the nations of Europe will be united in an amalgam that is easily controlled. The people of the USA will have either lost the second Amendment right or be battling the bankers as they will continue to cause financial crisis in order to totally contrtol the country. Japan will face the fate of the US and China will fragment from internal strife as the have not will demand a piece of the wealth.