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Bill Gross Gets It

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Last night, when breaking the Buba repatriation story, we summarized it simply as follows "in brief: this is a momentous development, one which may signify that the regime of mutual assured and very much telegraphed - because if the central banks don't have faith in one another, why should anyone else? - trust in central banks by other central banks is ending." We are happy that the implicit message is so clear that everyone now gets it, including Bill Gross:

 


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Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:46 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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I am sure BG gets it and appopriately bought some 5yr treasuries as a hedge.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:48 | Link to Comment redpill
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Trust, but verify.  AKA, no.  lol.

 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:49 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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 "Hans...bubby! I'm ya white knight."

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:50 | Link to Comment idea_hamster
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v

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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 Gold über alles

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment Pinto Currency
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Next SLV and GLD shareholders will sell and take delivery of physical - unless you absolutely trust JPM and HSBC.

Goodbye leveraged paper exchanges like LBMA and COMEX.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:36 | Link to Comment quintago
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German financial crisis engineering

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:08 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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When there is nothing left for the rich to steal from the poor...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:17 | Link to Comment TerminalDebt
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he probably reads ZH

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:29 | Link to Comment bigkahuna
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They will take delivery in GLD.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:36 | Link to Comment Greyhat
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The Bundesrechnungshof would hang them higher!:)

In Germany even the Bundesbank has to do a regular yearly inventory check.

Nearly impossible if the physical gold is stored outside their own vaults.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:29 | Link to Comment markmotive
Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:37 | Link to Comment centerline
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God bless the day we can really figure out who is listening to who and how they are playing thier book. I suspect the Tyler's know better than most though.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:47 | Link to Comment BTFDemocracy
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Didn't Bernanke say he say he reads blogs during his Tweetfest?
Chances are Bernanke reads ZeroHedge too.

Your "F-U Bernanke" posts are probably well directed here.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:17 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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Whatever else you may think of him, be assured that Bernanke is NOT a fool. You damm right he at least skims Zerohedge.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:01 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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In that case:

FUCK YOU BERNANKE!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:16 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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i'm wondering how the netherlands, with about 500 tons of gold in foreign hands, is feeling about now.  does anyone know how much of the swiss 1,145 tons of gold reserves (2008) are in foreign hands?  the big holders italy and france (2,400+ tons each) are both insolvent so may be held for ransom by the ecb, but not all the nations' gold under 33 liberty street are as easily subject to confiscation (?). 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:49 | Link to Comment bilbert
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"They will begin to steal from each other??

Question:  "How many hedge funds can fit through AAPL's Emergency Exit?"

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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mark 10:24-25

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:05 | Link to Comment Goldilocks
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Mark 10:24-25

King James Version (KJV)

24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment The Duke of New...
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Agreed ... an easy way to counter the EU CDS games played from NY and London.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:07 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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Pinto

Unless you own 100,000 shares (about $15 million) you cannot take posession. Even then you need the cooperation of an Authorized Participant. GLD is NOT a way to get physical gold, it is a way to bet on the price of gold. To get physical gold you should just buy physical gold.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:16 | Link to Comment Snakeeyes
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Gross gets it and so do most on ZH. Fiat money is a disater!

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/game-of-thrones-gold-...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:41 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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Many others are starting to "get it" as well. Where I come from, when there is smoke, there is fire.

From German Spiegel Online, Oct 2012

For decades, German central bankers have contented themselves with written affirmations from their American colleagues that the gold still remains where it is said to be stored. According to the report, the bar list from New York stems from "1979/1980." The report also noted that the Federal Reserve Bank of New York refuses to allow the gold's owners to view their own reserves.

Not surprisingly, this prompted strong reactions in Berlin: The relevant Bundesbank board member Carl-Ludwig Thiele was summoned to Berlin to provide an explanation to the parliamentary budget committee. Heinz-Peter Haustein of the business-friendly Free Democratic Party (FDP) was even quoted by Germany's mass-circulation Bild newspaper as saying that "all the gold has to be shipped back."

As a result, in addition to safeguarding the reserves of over 60 countries, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York continues to hold 1,536 metric tons of German gold -- or nearly half of Berlin's reserves. This enormous hoard of gold is stored in the fifth subfloor of the bank's building on Liberty Street, 25 meters (80 feet) below street level, and 15 meters below sea level. According to the bank's website, the vault rests on the bedrock of Manhattan Island.

Tourists are allowed to venture below street level to see the vault. After descending in an elevator, they stand in front of an enormous steel cylinder that pivots like a door in a 140-ton steel-and-concrete frame. But not even the owners are allowed to view their own gold. According to the Federal Audit Office report, the Fed explained that "in the interest of security and of the control process" no "viewings" are possible.

Finally, in 2007, "following numerous enquiries," Bundesbank staff members were allowed to see the facility, but they reportedly only made it to the anteroom of the German reserves.

In fact, auditors from the Bundesbank made a second visit in May 2011. This time one of the nine compartments was also opened, in which the German gold bars are densely stacked. A few were pulled out and weighed. But this part of the report has been blacked out -- out of consideration for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

"I would like more transparency on the issue," says Bundesbank board member Thiele. The Americans are very sensitive, though, when it comes to security procedures in their gold storage facilities. In their second major depository, the legendary Fort Knox, practically no one in recent decades has been allowed to view the gold reserves."

http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-864068.html#spRedirectedFrom...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:56 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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.

According to the Federal Audit Office report, the Fed explained that "in the interest of security and of the control process" no "viewings" are possible.

no peeking, it's all under control.  !!

perception, managed.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:14 | Link to Comment Raynja
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the wonderful wizard of oz said to not question your perception

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:34 | Link to Comment espirit
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The Golden Rule.

"Whoever has the Gold, makes the rules."

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:15 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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They just don't want anyone tunneling in there or otherwise eyeballing the security measures. It is called "security by obscurity", and it usually means there are hidden flaws in the security.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:18 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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I especially liked this quote, "A few were pulled out and weighed. But this part of the report has been blacked out -- out of consideration for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York."

What happens in the FRBNY, stays in the FRBNY!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:11 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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Gross makes money off Fiat. He is a bond guy, after all. And he supported the Trillion Dollar Coin. No doubt, he was talking his book, since minting TDCs would drive interest rates negative and make Bill Gross a fortune.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:19 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Supernova Born, + mucho.  Au and Pt come from the stars blowing up...

 

I am waiting to see if there will be a Press Conference by the Bundesbank tomorrow (as a commenter replied in the "Germany wants their gold back" thread earlier today).  If this whole thing is true about Germany wanting their gold back, it will be what Tyler wrote: the biggest financial story of the year.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:06 | Link to Comment walküre
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Gold über alles

DAS RHEINGOLD ZURUECK NACH DEUTSCHLAND!

Der Schatz der Nibelungen and Richard Wagner's "Ring der Nibelungen" have been on my mind recently.

Siegfried will slay the dragon to get the treasure (back to Germany).

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:53 | Link to Comment idea_hamster
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^ [post fail]

It's good to hear Gross say this out loud, but it can't come as too much of a surprise.

In 2008, inter-bank lending effectively ended not because the banks didn't know how risky other banks were, but because they did know -- they knew that everyone had the same crappy balance sheet and outlook.

Now that all the risk has been pawned off on the taxpayers, the central banks are coming to the same conclusion: "our book looks awful -- and that means theirs does too."

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:49 | Link to Comment taxpayer102
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"...the world’s six largest central banks have collectively issued six trillion dollars’ worth of checks since the beginning of 2009 in order to stem private sector delevering. Treasury credit is being backed with central bank credit with the interest then remitted to its issuer. Should interest rates rise and losses accrue to the Fed’s portfolio, they record it as an accounting liability owed to the Treasury, which need never be paid back. This is about as good as it can get folks. Money for nothing. Debt for free." - Bill Gross

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:16 | Link to Comment Raynja
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which only leaves one question

why are they taxing us>?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:50 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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because that's what we're for - it's in the contract.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment zorba THE GREEK
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Gross recently loaded up on MBS and is raking it in. He made a mistake shorting bonds before

but has made up for his past follies. It is good to learn from your mistakes. Zorba has learned

from his mistakes. Zorba will no longer date women with large Adams apples.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment redpill
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Die Hard references always get +1

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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Fucking right, doggie!!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:43 | Link to Comment fuu
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Nice twitter questions yesterday.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:01 | Link to Comment redpill
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Thanks, shockingly none of them got asked.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:23 | Link to Comment fuu
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Maybe next time.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:10 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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My guess is Ben Shalom will never do that again.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:01 | Link to Comment jumbo maverick
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Well I've been thinking about that. Why would Chairsatan go to twitter to "answer" questions? First off a grown man, never mind he is one of the most powerful men in the world, but a grown man using twitter, I mean come on.
Second what did he try to accomplish by going on twitter? Anyone with a turd for a brain could have seen what a PR disaster the whole idea was so why do it?
I think that this twitter stunt was all masterminded by a group smarter than Chairsatan. Chairsatan was being used and he didn't even know it.
Eventually when the economy starts getting really dark to even the most non interested Joe Sixpack the twitter stunt will come full circle.
When it's clear to all that the economy is in the tank then TPTB will come out strong against Ben and they will label him as unstable, a crazy and they will use the twitter stunt as part of the picture they paint against him
TPTB will insist that Ben began to run amok and he became uncontrollable. They will plead for support and cooperation from the public insisting that with Ben now out of the picture they can get the economy back on track and things will turn around because now that crazy Ben has been taken out of the picture.
Just watch this is what will happen. Ben is riding high now but who knows in a few months hell even maybe a few weeks he will be thrown under the bus. The twitter stunt is just a small part of the bigger picture. I wouldn't be surprised that government agencies locate kiddie porn on Ben's computer. That may start the whole downfall for him.i

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:37 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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It was orchestrated by a University mostly funded by "loan a student a bubble".

The "rogue" commentators know Ben Shalom is just a kazoo, as do his handlers.

It' was still epic.

They underestimated us once again. No conspiracy necessary. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment Raynja
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@jumbo

thats exactly whats going to happen. i've been saying for a while that they are going to need a "volcker" to come in after the bernank or this dollar experiment is going to demonstrate exponential.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:21 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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Here's a video recap of the Bernanke Q & A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcDlkZkPb6g

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:42 | Link to Comment Silver Bug
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Western Central banks are starting to scramble. They are getting scared.

Keep voting with your dollars. Keep stacking gold and silver.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Assetman
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The Bundesbank has little reason to trust a printing crazy ECB, and why should they?  

The final recourse for the Germans is to prepare their gold holdings as the ultimate trump card in case the ECB prints itself into oblivion.  A prudent course of action for the Bundesbank is to prepare the presses for the New Deutchemark, which if backed by gold, could vie for the world's reserve currency if the rest of the developed world becomes fiat unwound.

Of course, one actually needs to have the gold be real and truly accessable in storage before the masses embrace it with any confidence.  It's not that the Bundesbank doesn't trust the Federal Reserve, moreso than the Bundesbank making prudent preparations in the event the developed world becomes unglued with currency crises.

And if gold isn't money, as hypothisized by our brilliant PhD in the Keynesian Realm, why does the Federal Reserve and our own goverment go though such intricate processes to store and protect it? 

Yeah, if I were the Germans, I'd be more than willing take that storage burden off of their hands.

 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:37 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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but..but, gold is backed by nothing.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:52 | Link to Comment Goldilocks
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VERY brainwashed reporter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZXX5i8tj5s (0:49)

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:12 | Link to Comment LongBalls
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All that matters is that I don't.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:41 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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If you changed your name to "LongBall" we could call you Lance!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:19 | Link to Comment billsykes
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Central banks are the new preppers. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:46 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Unfortunately for them, "Chance favors the prepared mind" = keep moar ink on hand.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:04 | Link to Comment Larry Dallas
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Put another way, the Newport Beach, Ca blogging powerhouse known as PIMCO is now using ZeroHedge for Twitter idea formation and marketing ideas...

Way to leverage the retail folks, there Billy Baby!!!

 

 

 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Ookspay
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"From my dead cold hands"!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:03 | Link to Comment H E D G E H O G
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oh, how Gross!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:23 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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Bill Gross knows that a treasury bubble is going to bust soon but he can't say because of  his position in the financial system and being one of the buyers of last resort.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:48 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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Bollox

They are all good friends.

 

I could have cashed a Sterling cheque in the Berlin of 1916.

 

 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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With friends like that, who needs enemas?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:49 | Link to Comment redpill
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Merkel usually looks like she needs one

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:44 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Turpentine no doubt.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:18 | Link to Comment Scalaris
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An ill-afforded luxury in such frugal times, albeit a vastly needed one amidst such testiness.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:40 | Link to Comment centerline
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I tend to agree on calling this more theater.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment AccreditedEYE
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We are crashing upwards... Germany understands that. The pickle now is if U.S. wants paper to have value, they have to put on the brakes... however, it's probably too late.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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I like to ask cash register jockeys if they, whatever store I happed to be at, still accepts Federal Reserve Notes.  While part of this is a little educational jab at those I interact with, it usually generates comments from others nearby in the line.  Comments such as, 'It IS just paper you know" or "The print that crap out of nothing."  The population is waking up to this fact, but for many of them it is too late to recoup any of their past labors from the bankster class ass fucking, cunt faced, whore mongering, asshat, fucktard, anal fisting, vulture mother fucking, dog-faced, shit eating, cock sucking, dickheaded evil puss filled, foreskin licking bastards.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:29 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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Don't hold back Doc, just let it all out.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:53 | Link to Comment ZeroAvatar
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Dr. Head, I hear ya....but foreskin licking?  Dude, that's harsh! :)

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:41 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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 francis_sawyer could have made the EXACT same comment [but received a 70-30 'JUNK' ratio]... This, only because the INTELLECTUALS on this site don't see a 'doctor' title in my username...

Carry on Ritchie [post laureate son of yur father, 'Mr. Head']

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:44 | Link to Comment PaJoad
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Lighten up Francis.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:59 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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OK... 9-6 [on last count]... I stand corrected...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:45 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Have a beer...all will be well.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:18 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Hey, listen up.  Like I said earlier, I'll never junk a man whose name is Francis.  That's punishment enough.

 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:23 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Did Doc's tirade blame someone based on the race into which they happened to be born? Last I checked, nobody was born a banker.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 02:05 | Link to Comment mkhs
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I have read many of Dr. Richards posts, and many of yours, Francis.  I can truthfully say that you are no Dick Head.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:55 | Link to Comment Chief KnocAHoma
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Yeah Doc... how do you really feel?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Ying-Yang
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Who has foreskin anymore... Oh vey!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:57 | Link to Comment new game
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logged in just to give a +1 to the good dr.

couldn't have said it better.

mfcsso bitchezzs

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:11 | Link to Comment WmMcK
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First question when I arrived at the LCS -- do you still accept FRN's (at spot)?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:43 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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The esteemed Dr. Richard Head said:

I like to ask cash register jockeys if they, whatever store I happed to be at, still accepts Federal Reserve Notes.

Hah! Kudos, my good fellow, I thought I was the only one doing anything like that. I wait until they ask me if I have a [store name du jour] super saver (purchase tracking) card:

"No, just Federal Reserve Notes. Ummm.....you do still accept those, don't you?"

I also carry a Morgan silver dollar in my pocket. When the cashier does the cursory counterfeit test of a $50 or $100 bill:

"It's all fake. You probably haven't ever seen a real dollar come through here."

I pull out the Morgan, letting them hold and examine it, and tell them that I like to have at least one dollar of real money. My parting remarks are usually something like:

"Back when this (the Morgan) came out, two dollars would pay for this cart of groceries. Two of these dollars still will."

Always best to leave them thinking if you can.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment akak
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Such financial subversion and monetary terrorism will be dealt with harshly under the New World Order.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:49 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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So true. Which is why civil war in America is nearing inevitability.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment johnnynaps
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Not necessarily, that's what credit cards are for.....to get even!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:28 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Holy Shit! Where's the Tylenol?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P12xKZV2iys

@3:10

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:41 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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So Dr., I guess the "Jelly of the Month Club" bonus was less than you had expected?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:49 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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I wonder if the world will hold the bankers who sold their gold accountable or if we all have to go to war?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Zap Powerz
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Going to war will be how they will have to be held accountable.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:52 | Link to Comment Chief KnocAHoma
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This is a GREAT point! Instead of fighting each other we should hunt down the pigs and give them treament Ned Beaty got in Deliverence.

"Squeal like a pig Bennie!!!!"

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:47 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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...and then hang them.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:49 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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..On You Tube.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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The war will BE about the gold.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Tsunami Wave
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What does Mohammad from Newport Beach have to say about this?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:56 | Link to Comment knukles
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Die heathen dog worshipers.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:20 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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"Everyone holding their own physical gold is the new normal."

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:35 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Does that mean only 1% - 3% of us are normal?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:05 | Link to Comment unrulian
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you may be a touch on the high side.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment AllWorkedUp
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yeah, maybe 100 - 600% on the high side. The retailers still think the GLD is backed by physical.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:26 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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El Erian only gets trotted out in font of the cameras when They want to spook the two or three remaining retail investors. It's hardly worth the bother any more.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:50 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Now all Germany has to do is expel the batshit Muzzies, leave the EU and wait out the rest and rule the post-apocalytic world!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:22 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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Why would anyone want to expell that fuzzy, green guy that teaches kids Spanish, French, Gernman, and Italian? 

Oh wait, you are just a religous zealot extremist collectivising an entire religion to satisfy your diversionary tactics away from the main focus of this article - sound money.  Carry on shit head.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:08 | Link to Comment unrulian
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Sorry Francis you're fucked...the doc just hit 70-30

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:02 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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80-10 bitchez!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:09 | Link to Comment WmMcK
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And Esperanto, hundinoj.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:22 | Link to Comment DogOfSinope
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Why would they do that? Turks are nice, civilized and rather secular people. And hard working, too. BMWs have never been better!
Plus, no German could live without weekly dose of kebab anymore.
So, get out of that cave more often. World is not such a bad place.
Sans banksters, of course.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:42 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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Also keep in mind that there are 500.000 Alevi in Germany. That is very important. They are almost like Westerners. You can marry an Alevi girl without converting to Islam. Alevis are very different compared to the rest of the Muslim community. So different that most Muslims regard them as infidels.

They are the second largest group of Muslims in Germany.

The most dangerous group of Muslims in Germany is a tiny minority. The Salafi. There about 5.000 of them in Germany. But they are the talk of the town. They appear in talk shows, have a strong internet presence. You know - I have nothing against muslims or other religious communities. But the Salafi will never fit into our society and we should kick them out as soon as possible.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Rainman
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Does this mean none of the other CBs plan to attend the Fed's secret centennial birthday party ?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:52 | Link to Comment reader2010
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Do our Asian slave nations, such as China and Japan, have their barbarous relic stored in the Land of Brave?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:46 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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No, but I bet they would like Obama to crack open the gold window for awhile.  I am sure they are getting tired of buying US gold in one oz. coins.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment rguptatx
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bbbbbbbbbbbbbbut i thought thieves always trusted other thieves - code of honor or sumting!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:03 | Link to Comment ZeroAvatar
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Let's put it this way:  I have (or HAD) a BOATLOAD of silver.  Now, I don't know what to do with it, where to keep it, so I ask my relatives:  "Hey, brother-in-law, would you do me a favor and hold some of these bars and coins for me?  I know I can trust you, you won't spend it.  I just don't want it around me all the time, the temptation's too much, the risk of theft is too great."

 

Spread it around to several in-laws.  Question:  Will it all be returned upon request?  A:________________________________________

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:52 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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I find it hard to believe that they ever trusted each other.  This says something much worse, I believe.  Of course, had I been born when France sent ships to collect their gold, I would have said the same thing... and would have been wrong. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:58 | Link to Comment knukles
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We had troops armed to the teeth in Deutscheland.
Now they're a buncha logistical support operations for other battlefields in the Long War.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:39 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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I find it hard to believe that they ever trusted each other. 

I don't believe they ever did.  Keeping gold in the US was a bribe for borrowing dollars and military protection.  A "gentlemen's agreement" you might say, that isn't from trust, just an even exchange of "favors". 

It appears Germany no longer feels they're getting an even exchange.  They see dollars losing value from Fed's uncontrolled printing last 4 yrs with no indication it's going to stop.   They know Fed is in a race to the bottom to debase the US dollar faster than other currencies, making German products more expensive here.  All they have left now is military protection which will end when Germany transfers their loyalty to the growing Asian alliance, which they know is the smart thing to do, seeing how that alliance is gonna put the smackdown on our corrupt govt.  I suspect they know how far along that process is, way better than we do.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:56 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Wha?? Are you suggesting that Germany-the EU would transfer loyalty? Damn, that would be a bitch (for me).

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:48 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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I suspect another reason Germany wants their gold back is they anticipate being part of a new pan-Asian gold backed currency.  Not a basket of currencies, a single currency backed by China's gold, Russia's gold, India's gold, Germany's gold, Switzerland's gold, etc

...along with their combined nuclear arsenals, let's not forget that part.

Look at the big picture.  Everybody in Asia is buying up all the gold they can, and Germany wants theirs back all of a sudden.

Why?  Simple.  A pan-Asian gold backed currency is coming. 

It'll destroy the Euro and US dollar instantly.

Germany will rocket to top dog in Europe, backed up by the combined nuclear arsenals of Russia, China, India, maybe Pakistan too.  They'll rebuild their conventional military in a flash and be given all the nukes they want.  They'll rule Europe overnight then set their sights on middle east oil, flooding into that area, kicking America out.  Israhell will be "disarmed", relieved of all their nukes, told to shut the fuck up and behave or be nuked off the planet. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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The Roaches are now getting anxious.

 

Do they, or don't they (have any gold)? Only their hair dressers know for sure!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:54 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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I wonder if he will add another .oooooo1% to his .00000003% PM allocation.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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War!...it's just another type of tradition. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The Germans do not trust Oba-Mao Tse Mugabe or The Ben Bernank.

Hope & Change

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:57 | Link to Comment redpill
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Hemp & Choom you mean

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Bear
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I think you mean Cheats and Choom

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment TruthBeforeAll
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Rope and Chains works for me.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:00 | Link to Comment Tsunami Wave
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F TV and F Hollywood?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Freddie
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+100

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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Is the gold being sent to Germany from the FED or is it the stuff they picked up in Lybia and other places? Or is it just an announcement?

It appears that de Gaulle wasn't so crazy after all when he used to cash in all his US dollars for gold and just befoe the closure of the gold window he even sent a French frigate to pick one load up.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:19 | Link to Comment wandstrasse
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de Gaulle and Nixon 15 August 1971... that was my first thought, too... but... 

does our Buba REALLY believe there is any physical gold in ANY central bank = tooth fairy??????????

or do they know that real patriation would be the end of the world as we know it????

I really have absolutely no clue what Buba wants...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:56 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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the fed and jpm are one and the same. only a fool would trust jpm.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Finally, someone said it

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Jerry Maguire

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:57 | Link to Comment jeff314
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who will be left holding the bag...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:00 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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My guess would be the American pubic......I mean public.  Pubic since we are getting fucked. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:00 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Maybe if I give them all my guns, and rat on others in my neighborhood that have guns  I can make enough reward money to pay for rent, food and a trip to Cancun someday.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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I would imagine SLV, GLD and all the others. CB's get the allocated stuff and what's left will be subject to lawsuits over lease arrangements and posession lawsuits. Good luck ETF's.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:02 | Link to Comment MyBrothersKeeper
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And once they figure out where the rest of the real stuff is, the CB will seize it

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:58 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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"Trust me" said the spider to the fly.

The Central Bank wars will be fun to watch.

Hilarious that Germany is asking for their tangible gold assets Buffet calls "a barbarous relic".

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:01 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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if anyone is a true barbarous relic it would be Buffet.  A corporate welfare monger who's existence is relative to the theft by the state.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:06 | Link to Comment Zap Powerz
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Buffet is an open faced roast beef sandwich.....if ya know what I mean.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:44 | Link to Comment negative rates
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He's not alone, and with all that dry powder stored up, he could last a bit longer than many others.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:10 | Link to Comment new game
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we shall see who has what when the tide goes out.

gotta a hunch, there aint gonna be enuf to go around.

seems like a signal to add as much as one afford...

jmfo

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:13 | Link to Comment mercenaryomics
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Buffet calls "a barbarous relic"

He clearly doesn't understand Germany's love of tradition. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:04 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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Or their love of barbarism.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Mad Mohel
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"No honor among thieves" ?

I'm willing to bet there is more gold in my uncle Chester's mouth then there is in that goddamn vault.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:00 | Link to Comment chubbar
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Look, it's just my opinion and I have no proof, but this idea that Central Banks are just figuring out that Gold is money and/or everyone is printing the shit out of their currency is just nonsense. This is a well orchestrated ballet that will show an ever-distressed banking system appear to withdraw into their separate corners until the collapse. What is really going on, IMO, is that they have the gold, they always knew this system would crash. The families behind the banks have accumulated massive amounts of gold. When this goes tits up and the world clamors for a hard currency,  or at least one somewhat backed by gold, the families will have historic and massive wealth. There will be no going back to a pure fiat world currency and the ones with the bulk of the gold will be unbelieveably wealthy forever. Everyone, which is most of the rest of the world, will forever be trapped in servitude, period. It is a fantastic con job and one that will go down in the history books.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:09 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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+1000

 

I likes the way you thinks

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:06 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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It would be HIGHLY IMPROBABLE that any of those 'families' would be Jewish [now would it]?...

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I say that because they are only less than 1% of the worlds population, it would be STATISTICALLY & MATHEMATICALLY impossible to even CONSIDER such a thing...

How many 'FAMILIES' are we talking about here?... [I only inquire for means of ENTERTAINMENT value ~ I mean, your ratio of UP ARROWS to DOWN ARROWS is 44-0 as we speak... This 'well orchestrated ballet' of which you speak must mean you MUST be on to something]...

~~~

2 'JUNKS' to francis_sawyer say you're FOS... Unless ~ oh wait!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:12 | Link to Comment ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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Not only do I agree, I positively hope you are right since its the least worst of the alternatives.

 

Imagine if these guys genuinely have no idea how a hard, redeemable money system operates.  They would genuinely have no idea what to do when it all starts to come apart and we would be powerless to do anything while they screamed their magic fiat formulas louder and louder and wondered why it isn't working anymore.

 

As much as the restructuring is going to suck for all of us, gold gives us a chance at stability on the other side.  Otherwise its gonna be chaos for a very long time. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:21 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Can't wait to accept only gold for my soybeans.  BRING IT!!!

 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:24 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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How about if I'm hungry enough and I just shoot you instead?

 

That's more likely to happen.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:18 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Yup. Those that say "BRING IT!" don't understand how utterly horrific it could get.

You got guns defending your soybeans? Better have A LOT of ammo...the first wave of dead bodies will only give reason for the second,third, fourth wave that knows you have something to defend.

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