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We realize the subject matter is about as tangential to the core themes discussed here as possible, but since hypocrisy of this magnitude has to be seen to be believed, and traditionally was only possible when emanating from the Federal Reserve (did we say tangential?) we present: Liestrong... in his own words.


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Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:04 | 3155013 Pladizow
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I'd blame it on my nut cancer - Bernake that is!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:09 | 3155045 TerminalDebt
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Gold is not money - The Bernank

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:23 | 3155129 MillionDollarBonus_
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Finally, the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in the global recovery, the cynics and the skeptics: I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. But America is one hell of a country. This is a great economy and you should stand around and believe it. You should believe in our corporations, and you should believe in our government. I'll be a fan of America for as long as I live. And there are no secrets — this is a hard recovery and hard work wins it. So long live the American dream!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:29 | 3155162 Ruffcut
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The amerikan dream where million dollar bonehead has to be asleep to believe it.

Dream on

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:30 | 3155170 Manthong
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“There is no risk of that”

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:38 | 3155218 SilverIsKing
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Did MDB take my advice?  Surely he did not.

Line shift on Seattle did help



Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:26 | 3155869 Boris Alatovkrap
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Why is that anyone is caring for Lance Armstrong. Fast bike dude is doper - so what is that!? Boris is sometimes drink heavy vodka before bicycle trip and is nobody is caring about Boris!...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:43 | 3155932 Thomas
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Yeah. Letting Lance back into professional sports is about the same as letting Corzine run a hedge fund. He...wait a minute...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:22 | 3156024 TwoShortPlanks
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More distractions from Liemerica as the global coup d'état progresses in the shadows.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:35 | 3156226 HobbyFarmer
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Armstrong is a personal hero of mine.  Sucks he cheated to accomplish what he did.  Say it ain't so, Lance.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:13 | 3155650 El Oregonian
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Anyone believing that this country hasn't been taken over is delusional. Find the book "Behold a pale horse" by Milton William Cooper.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:37 | 3155210 reTARD
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Here's to more "hope and change!" Liestrong too! Because if you tell a big enough lie...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:26 | 3155485 Peter Pan
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As george Carlin said, they call it the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:29 | 3155684 Gazooks
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...and Armstrong dreamed it. 


defraud a sleepy world for greater glory, riches, bitchez and fame.


of course no nuts is some poetic justice,


Bernak beware.





Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:46 | 3155772 Antifaschistische
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Liestrong and Hard is worth $125 million.

He wins...make your confession and move on.  They never ask for the money back....just like with banksters, and lawyers, and doctors who make millions on medicare/medicaid fraud.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:53 | 3155312 TheAntiBen
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Bartender... I'll take two of whatever MDB is drinking...  Step aside coffee, this is a job for alcohol.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:56 | 3155325 Roandavid
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MDB, you missed the banks.  C'mon, you're better than that.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:00 | 3155360 ClassicalLib17
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Not too good MDB,  I only give you a 3 out of a possible 10 on that one.  BTW,  who is the impostor that occasionally posts under your pseudonym and password?  Actually, I'm not entirely sure if you really posted this reply

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:20 | 3155452 Matt
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There is MillionDollarBogus_ and MillionDollarBoner_ that are imitators, I think. The real MDB posts are all by the same person, I'm fairly certain.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:41 | 3155540 MillionDollarBogus_
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Sat, 01/19/2013 - 16:02 | 3169293 MeelionDollerBogus
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I saw those others appear after mine appeared.

I don't frankly dedicate enough of my time to MDB mockery to live up to the moniker, however, and probably should have stuck to 'goldpricemodel' which I use otherwise.

For obvious reasons,

goldpricemodel 2013 projection

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:04 | 3155378 shovelhead
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Amen and Hallelujah, Brother! Testify!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:05 | 3156296 livid levity
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(Ahem - clears throat) I believe I can flyyyyyyyyyy, I believe I can touch the skyyyyy.....

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 03:34 | 3156905 ToNYC
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So you believe in corporation's rights and you believe in governmment's rights, but you don't mention human's rights except as a dream. I like when you work hard; it keeps you out of the way while I work easy.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:09 | 3155051 cifo
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He is still worth about $100 million though.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:18 | 3155108 smithcreek
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He sued multiple parties for millions claiming "defamation".  I don't know the outcome of all of the suits, but he did win 1.5 million against a Brit newspaper.  Lots of people are going to be looking to get a lot of money back from endorsement deals, individuals, race organizers, etc.  I would like to know what's in it for him to admit this now.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:32 | 3155185 redpill
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But he admitted it on Oprah, so that makes it all ok.  See?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:44 | 3155244 MachoMan
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Apparently they're trying to backtrack and say that initial rumors were untrue, rather he admitted "something" that may or may not have anything to do with an express admition of doping...  or give a specific timeline as to when it happened...  who knows...  we'll just have to wait...  stopping our worlds in the meantime.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:45 | 3155252 macholatte
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Did he get paid to admit it on Oprah?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:56 | 3155316 redpill
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Just wait for the book tour, he'll make more off of admitting it than he ever did riding that silly bicycle until one of his nuts fell off.


The part that confuses me is that there usually is a car crash involved in this situations that leads to the admission.  Tiger, Bobby Petrino, etc.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:55 | 3156110 RichardP
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I would like to know what's in it for him to admit this now.

Deathbed confession?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:18 | 3155105 Alcoholic Nativ...
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100 percent

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:31 | 3155175 pods
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The Bernanke certainly has a backpfeifengesicht


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:45 | 3155250 oddball
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Fuck you bald headed prick.  Keep your masters warm.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:06 | 3155030 kaiserhoff
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Wait, you mean Timmy isn't the world's most famous one balled man?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:10 | 3155056 TerminalDebt
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You're thinking of that other drug using bike rider, the one with one ball.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:43 | 3155241 Sequitur
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I never intended to violate the federal securities laws.

- John Corzine

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:14 | 3155654 johnconnor
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with these skills to lie with a straight face I say he should run for president in 2016...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:02 | 3155017 Piranhanoia
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An athlete juiced?   He formed a foundation and provided it with millions?  Everyone benefitted except?

hypocrisy inaction.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:10 | 3155053 francis_sawyer
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The quesion to ask yourself is:


Whose PAYROLL is he on right now, now that he's decided [timing wise] to come out with these REVELATIONS as a DISTRACTION from something ELSE that is inevitably going on?...

I'm sure the ALGO's have been programmed to figure it out...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:34 | 3155192 Shameful
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All, I repeat all pro athletes are on drugs.  The only way to compete on that level is to do drugs, because everyone else is.  The only way around doing the drugs would to be so genetically gifted at the sport that it's nearly unreal.  And who cares, they are athletes working with science to entertain.  I think they should be open about it so kids don't grow up thinking that stuff is natural.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:51 | 3155299 oddjob
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All, I repeat all bankers steal. The only way to compete on that level is to steal, because everyone else is. The only way around not stealing would to be so genetically gifted at the business that it's nearly unreal. And who does not care, they are unskilled thieves working with science to steal. I think they should be open about it so kids don't grow up thinking that stuff is natural.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:57 | 3155332 Shameful
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This I totally agree with and fully support!  And it would show true sportsmanship if after every theft the banker yelled out to the rube "You just Corzined bitch!"

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:04 | 3155376 Agent P
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"All, I repeat all pro athletes are on drugs."


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:01 | 3155604 trav777
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it would be impossible to compete in a drugged sport as a clean person.

the people who are in the peloton, and there are a handful, are out of the sport in no more than a couple of years.

All pro athletes use would be stupid not to.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:03 | 3155985 FutureShock
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Drugs and doping are a minor enhancement to keep pace with the other elites who are also doing it. The training, effort and natural ability not to mention comming back from cancer should not be negated because of the minor seconds gained by the doping.


It was wrong to dope but this seems like an over the top reaction. Charities, kids, inspiration, medicine, bikes sales and jobs, so much more than just Lance's ego suffer. It's all shame. lots of bad decisions form everyone.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:32 | 3156208 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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Bong-strong so Phelps cleared that bong to save everyone else form testing positive......a true hero, how does smoking help a swimmer breath better?....   ! Oh wait, wait................................................ehr you take it...ahhhhh.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:03 | 3155018 PUD
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I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:10 | 3155037 Stackers
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Did anyone actually finally figure out what the meaning of "IS" is ?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:10 | 3155058 TerminalDebt
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Depends on what you mean when you say IS

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:13 | 3155074 francis_sawyer
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Yes ~ I worked on it all night... They're the 'active ingredient components' of 'SHIT' 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:15 | 3155435 Dick Buttkiss
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All I know is it rhymes with jizz.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:11 | 3155063 TerminalDebt
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He thought they meant Hilary

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:04 | 3155020 EasterBunny
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I still think he's a legend

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:15 | 3155095 NoDebt
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I still think Pete Rose is a legend, but he ain't getting in the Hall of Fame.  Ever.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:17 | 3155106 CrashisOptimistic
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No, he's not.  His pharmacist is a legend.  It was he that won those Tours.  He belongs in the Pharmacist Hall of Fame.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:30 | 3155173 Ham-bone
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Lance's doctor was a well known Italian and eventually jailed for his misdeeds (he was caught doping up tons of other riders)...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:53 | 3155306 MachoMan
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Complete nonsense.  Have you looked at his genetics?  1:1,000,000,000,000 heart...  you think this might give one a competitive advantage? 

This is what all of the anti-steriod folks do not understand: (1) drugs do not do the work for you...  they do not lift the weights...  swing the bat...  or pedal the bicycle; and (2) EVERYONE, at the very least, pushes the envelope...  taking substances that may not be banned atm, but stand substantial chance in the future....  if not blatantly taking substances against the rules.

At the end of the day, you're left with an impossible/apples to oranges comparison to former persons in the same sport...  but I think it's fair to say that lance beat the shit out of all his contemporaries...  deal with it.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:09 | 3155629 trav777
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the doping cyclists do is somewhat frightening when you consider that they inject synthetic oxygen carriers, fluorocarbons and things like that which can prove fatal.  But, it rarely does prove fatal.

Armstrong was gifted but not so gifted as some others.  The difference was the efficiency and his entire team's commitment to the program.

Jan Ullrich had superior talent but spent his off-seasons partying and showed up overweight frequently.  Armstrong ensured that his team trained with him, that they researched the courses and rode them beforehand and that everyone was on the right kind of dope to give them maximum performance.

Hincapie should give his pretty little Tour trophy girl wife back because he wouldn't have her or any of the rest of his loot- none of them would, without Lance having made them get with the program that produced championships.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:28 | 3156676 A Nanny Moose
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not only that, but Telekom was often busy supporting Erik Zabel on the flat stages, for the Green Jersey. This wore their team down when it came to to work in the mountains.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:10 | 3155634 Blankenstein
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If he's 1:1,000,000,000,000 then the dope didn't need to dope.  

"EVERYONE, at the very least, pushes the envelope"

okay in sports, not okay in banking - okay, I'm beginning to see ......

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:47 | 3155947 trav777
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he wasn't 1:1B.  But he was really talented.  Not more talented than others who were his rivals.  Not by a long shot.

What Armstrong did was command a TEAM effectively and that included ensuring his teammates had MAXIMUM commitment to achieving victory, which means they dope too or find another team (they wouldn't last more than a year or two nondoped).

Pantani had hematocrit levels exceeding like 65 deep into the Tour; EVERYONE was on this stuff, nobody has been clean in cycling since cycling began.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:40 | 3156387 MachoMan
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I don't mean his talent was one in a billion, I mean his heart, literally...  in size and efficiency...  (not figuratively)

This same doping issue goes for olympians as well...  virtually every sport...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:11 | 3155642 Titus Flavius C...
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I don't know about cycling, but if it were say, mixed martial arts... I dare say you'd prefer not to face someone who was lifting like crazy, eating all the right stuff, and also taking roger clemens level steroids....


And as to baseball... getting to a ball a little faster, and with a little more bat speed and power does make a difference.  It's not going to hit a guy who can't hit into someone with a high .ops - but for the average bear with some existing power, yeah, it helps some.  I don't think any baseball guys think otherwise... and I don't think so many would have taken them if they didn't help you compete.

I have no doubt that triples get turned into homeruns due to the fake benefits of PEDs.

Especially in Yankees Stadium's right field, which is a fucking joke anyway.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:48 | 3156418 MachoMan
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This is just like the war on drugs...  or the war on guns...  or anything else...

Here's a newsflash for folks...  EVERYONE TAKES PERFORMANCE ENHANCERS...  some are more effective than others, but everyone takes them...  In short, the fact that you outlaw something does not, in the slightest, stop anyone from taking them... 

Part of the benefit of performance enhancers is recovery time...  they don't necessary ensure that you perform better during the game, but they can help your body recover more quickly...  does a steriod give you better hand-eye coordination?  Moreso than caffeine?  Probably not...  but, what about a torn ACL/MCL?  Sometimes you can get those and in only a few months come back and dominate the league in rushing...  hmmm...

There are a whole bunch of tricks for mma guys...  epinephrine...  ammonia...  it never ends.

[PS, mma guys are tested...  although rarely caught]

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:45 | 3162923 Matt
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So you propose that all sports simply allow the use of performance enhancements, with no restrictions?

Or should we seperate all sports into two leagues, Pure Humans and Augments?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:44 | 3155934 jcaz
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...And here's your sign.....

Always nice to see a breath of ignorance cross into this forum-  now go back to your "OJ Is Innocent" blog.....

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:04 | 3155614 trav777
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yeah, you're right, because all you have to do is inject yourself and you can win any sport in the world, which is why EVERYone does that.  You see regular joes all the time using juice and going out and winning Ironmans.

Think before you speak.  What made Armstrong remarkable was that he was THE ONLY GUY at the top of the peloton who DID NOT have a drug bust during this run.  ALL OF THE REST OF THEM had at least one ding. 

I have NO CLUE why anyone would act outraged or surprised...maybe I just have no sympathy for fools.

Even with EPO and test and the related boosters, the amount of work necessary to achieve what LA did is insane.  The REASON he was able to win 7 was not him, it was because he made sure his entire team was devoted sufficiently to the cause.  No half ass non-dopers on the squad.

Cycling is a team sport.  I have no clue why the Hincapies of the world would rat him out; they were absolutely nothing without him.  Floyd Landis is a rat and decided to rat everyone out because he couldn't take the punishment he had coming to him.  Michel Ferrari was certainly a gifted sports doctor but he wasn't doing anything everyone else wasn't doing too.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:52 | 3155784 bobola
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Has been reported - when Armstrong was in a hospital very sick with cancer, so many years ago, he told a friend that he doped, and speculated that the stuff may have trigegred his cancer.

Of course he later denies he said that.

What doesn't make sense is that with his amazing physiology, why did he take anything in the first place..??

From 1992 to 1999, the year of his first Tour de France win, Armstrong was able to increase his muscle efficiency by 8 percent through hard and dedicated training. Coyle says Armstrong is the only human who has been shown to change his muscle efficiency.

"It was believed that muscle efficiency is something you're born with, that you can't change," Coyle said. "But we've documented that Armstrong has indeed changed it while training intensely."

By making his muscles 8 percent more efficient, Coyle said, "Armstrong is 8 percent more powerful on the Tour de France"—enough to get his competitors off his wheel.




Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:33 | 3155902 francis_sawyer
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 "The REASON he was able to win 7 was not him, it was because he made sure his entire team was devoted sufficiently to the cause. No half ass non-dopers on the squad.

Cycling is a team sport. I have no clue why the Hincapies of the world would rat him out; they were absolutely nothing without him. Floyd Landis is a rat and decided to rat everyone out because he couldn't take the punishment he had coming to him. Michel Ferrari was certainly a gifted sports doctor but he wasn't doing anything everyone else wasn't doing too..."


Jesus flippin Christ...

Can't y'ALL see that this is the EXACT same scenario as JEWS with BANKING?...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:55 | 3155961 trav777
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he wouldn't have been able to win without taking stuff.

Period.  Impossible.

Armstrong won because in his first year, his doping regime really stunned other riders; he was asininedly better than the rest of the field that first Tour he won.  They all caught up chemically.  After that, it was a matter of keeping his team a machine fueled by hard work and dope while other teams had their top stars on the A-grade gear programs.

That's how cycling was except on Lance's team.  On Lance's team, EVERYONE got with the doping program, everyone had crit levels done, everyone had a schedule of stuff to take, after the EPO tests, everyone knew to inject IV and had blood bags to pack with.  On lesser teams, the top few guys only.

Armstrong pulled out all the stops and made a lot of guys on his team a lot of motherfkin money...and guess what, NOBODY DIED.  Hincapie married a trophy girl, got lots of money, endorsements, all of them did.  They all profited.

If you think Marco Pantani took a crit level in the 60s out of the alps naturally then you're delusional.  These things are physiologically impossible.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:07 | 3155998 akak
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But if EVERYONE on his team was in on the doping, then that constitutes a "conspiracy theory", right?  And we know that those are automatically and inherently impossible, right?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:34 | 3155514 dogbreath
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Thats probably because you are a hamster.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:26 | 3155682 European American
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"I still think he's a legend"


He is, right up there with Capone, Stalin and the mutant mulatto.


He'd ruthlessly slit your throat for another yellow jersey.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:40 | 3155749 zorbathefreak
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Smoke another one, brah!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:06 | 3155021 RichardENixon
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Well I don't know about anyone else but that certainly convinced me!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:05 | 3155027 Shizzmoney
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Nike commericial:

Ad: "What are you on?"

LA: "What am I on?  My bike, working my ass off 6 hours a day!"


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:14 | 3155087 TerminalDebt
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MyBike (tm) is the new wonder-drug

like McDonalds All-Beef (tm)

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:27 | 3155151 blu
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Sort of like when Congress cuts TheFunding (TM) leaving you wondering what the fuck it was they did. Serve up a pizza?

Oh and this reminds me of an actual name of a sleezy bar in my old neighborhood: The Office ("Yeah honey sorry but I'm late at TheOffice (TM) tonight")


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:34 | 3155196 Almost Solvent
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The Office is a great name for a bar.

There was a bar called The Library near my undergrad. Easy to tell anyone you were at the library or on your way there for hours at a time.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:13 | 3155413 shovelhead
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Best litigator bar, 'The Honest Lawyer'.

The sign had a headless suit holding a briefcase.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:08 | 3155397 FrankDrakman
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Have one of those in Toronto, but it's called "My Office", as in "Yes, honey, I'm in my office"..

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:06 | 3155031 SWCroaker
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Amazing the focus on Armstrong, Bonds, Clemens.

Energy better spent on tearing down peeps like them than Corzine, Chilton, Dimon, Blankfien, Masters, Bernanke, Holder, etc.   Right? 


Magician: "Watch my hand, peeps, watch my hand!"

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:11 | 3155067 Disenchanted
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If they want to investigate an aspect of sports, start looking into why the tax powers of the State(s) are used to fund professional sports arenas. I call bullshit.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:13 | 3155076 gmrpeabody
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But they aren't fair game....

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:21 | 3155122 blu
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I'm trying to figure out how real prosecutions of actual criminals would work inside the whole "bread and circuses" fluff thing and I'm just not seeing it.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:37 | 3156229 Shizzmoney
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They should allow steroids in sports, anyways.  It would make cycling more interesting.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:53 | 3162970 Matt
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Unlimited Mods. You got guys chopping off their own legs to replace them with cybernetics. Guys ripping out their own hearts to replace them with turbine pumps. People dying all over the race course from organ failures. Would certainly make it alot more dramatic.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:31 | 3156682 A Nanny Moose
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Pane et Circenses.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:06 | 3155032 j-dub
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"It's not a lie, if you believe it."


-George Patrick Costanza

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:51 | 3155124 Tsunami Wave
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**Jerry reciprocating, by giving a confused, glaring look back at George**

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:07 | 3155036 Zombie Investor
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For the most part I don't give a rip up about athletes using drugs.  Having said that, screw Lance Armstrong.  How many times did this guy flat out lie?  I'm guessing hundreds of times.  Even that I might be able overlook, but he tore apart and demonized anyone that told the truth about his doping.  

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:08 | 3155043 Zombie Investor
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Oh yeah, then he goes on Oprah for absolution.  What a coward.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:19 | 3155090 August
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Lance only cheated and lied in order to receive the money, fame and respect he thought he deserved. 

So he's just a regular, post-modern kind of guy... an American Icon, perhaps, in the parlance of our times.  Either that, or just another whore.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:21 | 3155125 Mercury
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Bike racers are weenies anyway. They claim pedestrian rules of the road when it's convenient, they claim automobile rules of the road when it's convenient...and then (when they're not yelling at anyone) they point to where they want to go and think that makes everything OK.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:08 | 3155039 fuu
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Fuck you Lance.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:14 | 3155084 francis_sawyer
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& the horse you rode in on... [oh wait]!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:23 | 3155131 kaiserhoff
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and the Beeeitch he rode in with?

Nay, we should save that for Barry.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:33 | 3156687 A Nanny Moose
Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:15 | 3155041 Yes We Can. But...
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So you chose to compete, to see where you stood with the competition, to try to prove that you were best...

... and you cheated...

... and then you lied about it for a decade...

You were correctly removed from the podium.  Now get off the stage, Armstrong, you fraud, you disgrace.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:09 | 3155042 Ham-bone
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I raced against this asshole for years...worst of all is he blackmailed and destroyed peoples lives, livelihoods, reputations to try and pretend and extend his own "myth".  Hope this guy gets what he deserves.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:11 | 3155066 Sockeye
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Did you ever beat him?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:17 | 3155092 Ham-bone
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Naww, he was good from time he was a kid...just took the drugs to make him great. 

But his doping has been common knowledge among the community (sponsors included) for at least a decade now.  Nice to see the lies and bullshit eventually called.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:39 | 3155220 prains
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Flance is the quintessential modern athlete, all bullshit, soulless narcissist looking always to get his and doesn't bat an eye to destroy anyone in his way,

Sorry lost my train of thought, was I talking about banksters?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:08 | 3156146 Cathartes Aura
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you left out huge numbers of loyal fans, who can rationalise his actions for him.

of course, not as true for the banksters, though there are many who envy their "rewards"

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:46 | 3155267 Colonel Klink
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Next time try a bat!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:57 | 3155595 Shell Game
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The last time that was tried, the perp ended up in the klink.  But you knew that, didn't you....

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:14 | 3155088 Mad Mohel
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You could have gotten even by flashing your ball bag at him.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:15 | 3155091 blu
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Yeah and if you race tomorrow you'll still be racing against someone doping.

Pro bicycle racing is awash in drugs and has been for 20 years. Everyone accepts this.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:20 | 3155117 CrashisOptimistic
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There is no pro bicycle racing.

There is pro pharmacist racing.  The winner is the guy who blends the best drugs.

You know, that guy does the urine checks to be sure his patient is getting just the right amount.

That why they call it the yellow jersey.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:57 | 3155334 MachoMan
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Bullshit.  False dilemma.  It just might be that personal effort and skill combine with performance enhancing drugs to yield performance... it isn't one or the other, it's a combination of all.

There are limitations to the effectiveness of performance enhancers...  and the people who tend to have your opinion haven't ever used them or known people who use them...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:55 | 3155591 CrashisOptimistic
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Your silliness only has merit if every racer had the same pharmacist.

They didn't.  The pharmacist was the definitive parameter, not the racer.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:38 | 3156373 MachoMan
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Well...  every racer also has different genetics as well as work ethic (duration/intensity) and work science (methodology)...  by desperately focusing on performance enhancing drugs, you're ignoring all the other aspects of an athlete's performance...  aside from teamwork [team orders on the tour, drafting, etc.]

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:36 | 3156693 A Nanny Moose
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We had a saying in the racing world...Better Cycling through Chemistry.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:26 | 3155118 Ham-bone
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Can't really argue with that...what made Lance so different was his willingness to destroy other riders careers who dared say anything, support staff, etc.  Fucker was all in for #1 and cared not a shit who he destroyed to propagate the lies...hmmm, wonder if Lance is interested in Congress or the Fed, he'd fit in wonderfully.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:45 | 3155253 blu
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Sociopath. Put him in a suit drop him anywhere inside Wall and Pine Streets in Manhattan and he'd look and act just like he was born to the place.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:13 | 3156166 Cathartes Aura
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shame these folks are revered and emulated, that these behaviours/traits are held up as the standard to attain the "fame & fortune" on top of most life-lists.

self perpetuating death spiral.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:19 | 3155110 Freddie
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+1 He bullied MANY people.  Greg LeMond for one.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:09 | 3155044 Larry Dallas
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I always thought the folks who wore those yellow rubber thingy's were douches.

Love to see how much money he made off of his foundation. That's the next leg to fall.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:09 | 3155048 I need more cowbell
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Hardly tangential. We are living in an age and society of complete criminality and fraud. It permeates and destroys everything. What you see with steroids, PED's, any other form of cheating ( Bellichek/Pats ) in sports; it seeps downward throughout collegiate sports and even further dwown to high school; Cheerleader Moms killing rivals!! Our poiticians set the bar for criminality, blatant lies lies lies; the MSM parrots them; the utter fraud of the banking system, the hoho "watchdogs" SEC CFTC, on and on it goes.

Divorce rates, Sandusky, priests and little boys the cover-ups afterward. Fraud Fraud mor Fraud everywhere. Disgusting our society is way past the point where even an enema woulod help much.

Whew! Where did that come from?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:20 | 3155286 Jam Akin
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Seems you were reviewing base human nature gone wild in a savage land cut adrift from traditional ethical standards.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:02 | 3155609 Shell Game
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"Disgusting our society is way past the point where even an enema woulod help much."


... but your stripper avatar helps a little.   ;)

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:12 | 3156164 geekgrrl
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This reminds me of the Mooby boardroom scene from the movie Dogma.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 04:42 | 3156936 geekgrrl
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LOL. Thanks post turtle saver! I hadn't seen that clip, and it's classic George, curmudgeon that he was...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:09 | 3155049 q99x2
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And, Bernanke was the father of that lie.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:10 | 3155050 Super Broccoli
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what a shame this guys rides a bike for a living ! he could have been a brilliant central banker, president, congressman ...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:55 | 3155120 fuu
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He can write the book, do some more prime time contrition, claim to have learned from mistakes, find God, and rise to the level of Congressman easily.

That's a pretty standard script.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:09 | 3155052 AccreditedEYE
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If nothing else, Lance and the global Central Banking cabal have taught us that with the right "tools" anything can be accomplished... you can figure out if it's good or bad for society years afterwards.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:16 | 3155098 blu
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... and there is a very good chance you will completely get away with it!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:10 | 3155057 A. Magnus
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How long I wonder before the Cass Sunstein memorial 'cognitive infiltration' trolls try blaming Lance Armstrong's doping on the Joos or Joobux? Because we can't have a legitimate debate site about economics without a generous helping of posts by government paid trolls sent to make all dissent to the Banker Regime look like a Ku Klux Klan barbecue get-together...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:23 | 3155465 shovelhead
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Only a minority are paid.

The genuinely insane do it for free.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:05 | 3155616 Titus Flavius C...
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You're right, there are very few Jews in the Obama administration running stuff, so anyone suggesting that there seems to be an over-representation is simply here to discredit...

eh you know what, francis_sawyer might be.  Might be.

Meanwhile, Cass Sunstein is a Mossad agent.   Didn't you know?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:11 | 3155060 Guinny_Ire
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So have everyone in the sport sign a statement they don't and have never doped and accept a lifetime ban if caught and will repatriate any winnings back to the judging bodies, not that I trust the judging bodies but it's a beginning.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:47 | 3156581 Curiously_Crazy
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It used to be that way (without anything even needing to be signed).

Think back to how Ben Johnson was crusified and his future running career pretty much destroyed for testing positive after beating Carl Lewis in the 100Mtrs.

Tin foil hat time but I wonder if the outrage would have been the same if it were Carl that won and then tested positive and instead of a Canadian.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:11 | 3155062 holdbuysell
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Not tangential at all. The US has become a nation of cheaters and liars. Look no further than DC, Wall Street, professional sports and college sports (including coaches breaking rules to recruit talent).
Talking to a friend the other day about cheating in college sports, he said everyone does it, so to be competitive one must also.
And that ladies and gentlemen says it all:
The nation has sold it's morality to the highest bidder or shrugs to what's happening and implicitly condones it.
Trust is deteriorating and the people will endure the social consequences, sadly.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:12 | 3155064 SuperVinci
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Who's Lance Armstrong?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:50 | 3155283 Colonel Klink
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A liar and a cheat according to his own confession.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:13 | 3155284 Colonel Klink
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A liar and a cheat according to his own confession.

EDIT:  Sorry for the duplicate but apparently it bore repeating.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:11 | 3155065 butchee
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Bring me the head of Miguel Indurain.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:11 | 3155068 spanish inquisition
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Let us not forget about the cycling business aspect of the equation much like what transpired with baseball. Look the other way as money rolls in, because winning is good for the game. Rumors of misconduct threaten the revenue stream. Find a scapegoat to take the fall to preserve the "integrity" of the game.

When sprinters start winning mountain stages or average players are leading league stats, fans question and sponsors hold back advertising. The behavior that was overlooked or even encouraged needs to stop and the business side needs to be absolved of its wrong doing. An investigation using an "unbiased" revenue partner is conducted. The conclusion labels the organization of having lax controls or oversight to absolving it of active participation. It is the act of contrition by the scapegoat that closes the book on the businesses active participation. The process of rebuilding the revenue stream can begin anew.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 17:16 | 3155434 FrankDrakman
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You might have noticed that though many players with glittering records were eligible for Baseball's Hall of Fame this year NOT ONE was voted in. No Barry Balco Bonds, no Mark McGwire, no Sammy Steroidiaosa, no Roger Clemens. Until the doping stuff surfaced, I thought Clemens was a lock for unanimous first ballot, but he was snubbed by almost everyone.

So, there isn't just "a" scapegoat; there's a whole passel of them.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:01 | 3155978 spanish inquisition
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Baseball management was giving a pass on early doping because home runs were good for the game. The purpose of the big investigation is to wash baseball management clean when doping started to interfere with profits. They threw a few players under the bus to show they are tough on crime. They wind up charging themselves with lax control mechanisms, it is the same with baseball and cycling. It is the same formula that was used to cover up Penn state complicity with Sandusky.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:00 | 3156611 Curiously_Crazy
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Steroidiaosa lol

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:12 | 3155072 Mad Mohel
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For a guy with no nuts, he sure has a lot of nuts.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:56 | 3155313 Jam Akin
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For a guy with no nuts, he sure had a lot of balls


There fixed it for ya.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 16:12 | 3155073 Miss Expectations
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Hey Tyler, maybe you should slap a TM after's so good that it defines us (I mean them).

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