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Presenting The Working Poor Of America

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Much has been made of the slow but steady 'improvement' in the unemployment data we are treated to on a weekly and monthly basis from the hallowed eves of the BLS. Just as much has been written on the ugly under-belly of this apparent improvement with the work-force becoming dominated by older workers forced to stay in jobs for longer and an increasing downshift in the kind of jobs available and taken. To wit, Reuters cites a report from the The Working Poor Families Project that highlights the surprising levels of poverty so many Americans find themselves in. The number of low-income 'working' families has increased three straight years - and now stands at over 10.2million, with more than 46 million people living in low-income families. "Although many people are returning to work, they are often taking jobs with lower wages and less job security, compared with the middle-class jobs they held before the economic downturn," which means that nearly one in three working families in the United States is struggling to meet basic needs. Although they are often overlooked, the number of low-income working families has been increasing steadily, resulting in a shrinking middle class and challenging a fundamental assumption that in America, work pays - as we have pointed out before (at these levels, it simply doesn't thanks to the benefit availability).



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Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:31 | 3155702 Ying-Yang
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Doesn't look like the "South shall Rise Again" does it?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:33 | 3155709 ACP
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Interesting the closer you are to the border with Mexico, the more the poverty. I wonder why?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:47 | 3155765 francis_sawyer
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The darker BLUE that graphic becomes as time goes by, the more LIKELY it becomes that the 'South' will rise again... You can take that to be bank [or 'gallows' as the case may be]...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:47 | 3155775 hawks5999
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Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:34 | 3155905 trav777
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family/household Poverty guideline 1 $11,170 2 15,130 3 19,090 4 23,050 5 27,010 6 30,970 7 34,930 8 38,890

This map is 200% of poverty level.  So for a 4-person household, that's 46K...that's MORE than decent money in a lot of those states.  Plus you collect bennies.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:39 | 3155922 madcows
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We spent 10 grand in just groceries last year, here in the northeast.  Good luck living off the remainder.  Especially when health insurance is about 7k, a cheap ass car payment is at least 3k a year, clothe the kids, etc...  Maybe 46 large goes a long way mississippi, but it sure doesn't get much in New England.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:39 | 3156084 BooMushroom
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10k/yr = $833/mo = $192/wk.

Really? Easy enough to do, I'm sure, but I'm sure you have plenty of high end foods that you could do without. I'm not talking caviar or waygu, but most of us have resigned to have steak rarely if ever. Not saying that you shouldn't have those things, but they may not strictly be necessities.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:45 | 3156248 clymer
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I'm in MA. Heating oil has been a kick in the nuts the past few years, I buy grapple loads of tree-length hardwaood for about 80$  /cord and start cutting / splitting in May, burn between 5 and 7 cords in the winter, saves me $2000 a year (and forces me to exercise by rolling fucking ungodly heavy logs onto the splitter)

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:28 | 3156799 Midas
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I've been wondering why the northeast still uses heating oil.  I don't think any other region uses it to the same extent.  Is there a reason why people don't use heat pumps?  Is heating oil even less than electricity?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 02:23 | 3156855 akak
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Wed, 01/16/2013 - 09:46 | 3157205 Joe Davola
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Electricity more expensive and heat pumps won't warm up the home much when the daily high might not exceed 20.  Nat gas is the way to go.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 09:48 | 3157214 LawsofPhysics
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Another moron who doesn't understand how something works.  A heat pump exchanges heat from one "sink" to another.  They are less than useless when the temperature of the external "sink" is at or below fucking zero. 

Yes, there really are experts who spend their entire lives designing and building such things.  maybe you should pick up a fucking book once in a while.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:33 | 3156216 cynicalskeptic
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MY house in NY burbs cost 5 times what my brother in NC paid. After 20 years of renovations. its still not done - he bought brand new).  MY taxes are - literally - 30 times his (income and property).  But then he's working shifts in a factory (and lucky to have that job) and his kids are dumb as rocks courtesy of a really bad public education system.  But then he's done well for a HS education that was mainly 6 packs in the parking lot and 2 years of tech school.

Sometimes you have to pay the price to live somewhere that still has decent paying jobs, tolerable amenities and decent public services.  The US really is devolviong into two very different nations.   Most of my relatives in 'flyover' America have houses worth less than $200,000 and are earning well under $100,000.  They 'get by' - but most barely do so.  Few have any real education or skills and if their kids are our future we're screwed.    Lots of divorces and single mothers living with parents.  Having too many kids too early and not staying married - a sure path to poverty.  My wife and I were considered 'strange' for waiting a decade to have kids.  Saved like mad and worked our tails off.  Going to a good colelge and working hard was somehow 'showing off' to those proud of their blue collar life - 'aspirational Republicans' who think 'only poor people are Democrats.' 

I don't buy into the simplistic political duopoly BS but am more than happy to thank them for keeping my taxes low for so long - gives me more direct control on how to spend my charitable dollars.  I work harder here than they ever have but consider it worth the price.  Nice house and 'culture' means more than NASCAR. We may have waited a decade to take vacations but we've seen most fot he country now.  And weekends in NY offer far more diversions than the same time spent in strip mall America.   Even if the schools here could be better, they're light years ahead of those elsewhere.  Mhose at the top of their classes here are brilliant, are actually learning more than most and are very likely to change the world.  They are very aware of the world they live in and care about it - instead of passively accepting at face value what is being fed to the masses on Fox.  My kids - second gen to go to college - are going to the best schools in the nation, the world.  They will have a future no matter what happens.  My relatives are in hock to put their kids through mediocre State colleges - most ercent grads are still looking for jobs if not workign as an Assistant Manager in some fast food place.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:59 | 3156279 hooligan2009
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good effort..many more smiles to you in the future..(you are kind of Spartacus)

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:40 | 3156388 moonstears
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Born in NC, we took "spelling". Guess not in your neck of the woods. Just sayin'.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:44 | 3156399 Larry Dallas
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@ cynicalskeptic +1000 on this post. Love it. Couldn't have said it better.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:20 | 3156503 MeBizarro
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The only thing I would disagree on is the part about mediocre state colleges.  Unless you get into an Ivy or a select private school (e.g., Harvey Mudd, MIT, Cal Poly), it generally makes sense to avoid as much debt as possible for a BA, graduate in 4 years with a killer GPA and have a specific career path in mind, and figure out what grad school/profession you want to do along with what entry-level experience/internships will help you get there. 

Your dead right though about a lot of rural America.   Its very true of where I grew up in Central PA when I go back to visit my parents (who will move as soon as my 99-year old grandmother passes).  Those who had kids early or didn't work to establish themselves before 30 are the one who are in real trouble going ahead forward. 


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:55 | 3156601 NumNutt
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I don't suppose your "good colelge" ever learned you about spell check did it?  Just because a person does not live in a major metropolitan area does not mean they are dumb as rocks.  Actually most of the people I have met from "the city" are helpless idiots that freak out because there is nobody to change their tire for them. You paid 5 times for a fixer upper house, as compared to what your brother paid for a new house. I don't know about anyone else but I can plainly see the idiot in this comparison.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:31 | 3156684 Larry Dallas
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NumNutt: People choose to live in those areas because of access to better education, higher paying jobs (but you could argue they pay more income tax) more sophisticated neighbors and the hopes that their children will be better off socializing with folks as sophisticated or even more so than them. New York is the melting pot, not Topeka, Kansas.

That is why the real estate costs more.

In other words, they won't be influenced by farmers, who have no drive, no ambition, marry a girl with many tattoos and probably a kid because of poor self-esteem and bad mating choices and well in debt and perhaps starting out in a trailer. Having spent a lot of time in a fly-over state, it is frankly depressing. I spent the summer in Chandler, AZ one year for work and I can say that cup of yogurt has more culture than Phoenix. Every restaurant is a Marie Calendars or Claim Jumper offering salty food in over-generous portions that tastes all the same. I hated it.

There are no high paying jobs in those areas, unless you consider working at a service center a high paying job. Realtors hit it big during the credit boom, but they are all wal-mart greeters who will probably never make that amount of money again in their lifetime.

The schools are overcrowded with kids who have no desire to improve themselves and resort to trouble.

This is the truth. Changing a tire is not something you put on your resume. Unless you're the guy who wants to work for AAA... Otherwise, its just a commodity that you're better off paying someone a few bucks to do.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:26 | 3156798 Dave Thomas
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Farmers with no drive and no ambition? (Head explodes)

I think you're on the wrong website dude, try this:

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 07:14 | 3157009 Tegrat
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Lmfao so agree! Education == More Marxsist training - the NE ain't a near solid blue (ironically red) for nuthin. Those guys will say thank you to the man when the feds come for their guns. Sophisticated neighbors? Aren't those guys the zombies you been reading about?



Wed, 01/16/2013 - 09:17 | 3157115 pan-the-ist
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That's one way to rationalize those bad decisions.  But clearly you are better than us midwesterners.  I can't believe you have had a higher education, if you did you wouldn't over generalize like you do.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 10:01 | 3157258 Watauga
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What a pretentious little bitch.  Your ignorance is exceeded only by the narrowness of your vision.  I would urge you to actually live and work on a farm in rural America before spewing such drivel.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:24 | 3156671 secret_sam
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Props for the honesty.  What you describe is most of why the light-blue states are light-blue.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 02:30 | 3156862 malek
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 and his kids are dumb as rocks courtesy of a really bad public education system

So your kids are going to be bright because of the public school system in NY?
I'd like some of what you're taking.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 09:18 | 3157118 pan-the-ist
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Obviously a troll.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 09:50 | 3157222 LawsofPhysics
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Is this the same New York with all the Wall street criminals that have bought our representation and stolen our retirement accounts?

Let me be clear, go fuck yourself.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:44 | 3156247 DaveyJones
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garden with plastic cover in the winter. If Elliot Coleman can do it in Maine 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:12 | 3156313 Rentier
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If you have to make a car payment (aka can't pay cash) you can't afford the car and shouldn't have it.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:14 | 3156492 MeBizarro
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That's a ridiculous grocery budget for a family of 4 even if you are buying a ton of store-made, prepared food.  My bet is that you don't spend nearly $10k in groceries annually.

If you do:

1. Learn to shop around and become price conscious.  Hell, if you live in Boston or near it go down to Haymarket or over to East Boston and reap huge discounts on produce and meat/seafood if you go at the appropriate time.  Also look for canned generic items which can be doctored up or put into things like casseroles, etc that help to cover up the bland taste

2. Start clipping coupons and only buying what is on sale in bulk

3. Grown and start a garden if possiblep

4. Look at local co-op options which often give you a ton of produce during summer for a moderate price

5. Buy a shitload of fruit in the fall and start canning it.    



Wed, 01/16/2013 - 10:47 | 3157434 FrankDrakman
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Have to agree with Bizzarro - granted, I'm single, but I barely spend $150/month on groceries in Canada (where, thanks to our Marxist "supply management system", we pay about double what Americans pay for dairy, eggs, and a few other things). I buy Select roasts at $1.99/lb, cut 'em into steaks, and then marinate them to make up for the lack of fatty flavour. (Sure, I like Prime/Choice, and once or twice a year I splurge on it, but I'm talking everyday food here.) My freezer is stuffed with chicken, pork, and beef that I bought on sale, divided into meal size portions, and froze. When canned goods go on sale, I stock up. Up here, a 2lb jar of peanut butter is normally about $7-8. Last week, they were on sale for $3.88, so I bought five. There's a year's worth right there.

Yes, it takes planning and effort, but I figure every dollar I save is worth about $2, given the high level of ultimate taxation up here (federal, provincial, users fees, etc.)

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:36 | 3156554 Buck Johnson
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That map tells it all, and if you average it all, almost 40% (Guarantee that the 30% color is alot closer to the 40%) of the working population is under the 200% poverty line.  We are going into a two class system where the rich have wealth and the rest live on the scraps.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:12 | 3156634 secret_sam
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To echo the comment above, $10K/year in groceries is either eating like a king daily (you snack on shrimp like peanuts) or it's feeding a football field of fatties.

I remember being SO sympathetic when Obama expressed his concern about the price of arugula...

(Oh!  Wait!  Do you include beer, wine, and spirits in the grocery budget?!?)

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 03:55 | 3156920 Hobbleknee
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I put myself through college on $10K per year without taking loans in the 90s.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 07:18 | 3157014 Tegrat
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I did too man. My first semester was $374 as a in-state freshman. I wrote that out of my checking account using up 10 weeks of part time grocery store money saved up. My books were $400. When I got out I owed $800.oo. I do thank my parent's tho. They let me stay til I was finished and only charged me a meager rent.


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:41 | 3155929 toady
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Exactly why I hate baffle-them-with-bullshit statistics.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:51 | 3155954 GeorgeHayduke
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Bennies? Haven't seen them in a decade myself. Of course, I've been self employed those years as it's the only way to pull down a worthwhile wage without kissing some morons ass.

Still, it's a false assumption that fits well with the point you're trying to make. Doesn't mean it's reality though.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:02 | 3155983 I think I need ...
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in the future u will HAVE to have bennies, your government loves u and wants you fit

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:45 | 3156252 DaveyJones
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I want a map of the "poorly working" where all the govt jobs are going.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:34 | 3156548 Prometheus418
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No, Trav.

Before I even start, let me say that it's good to see you back- I wasn't one of your haters the first time around.

That being said, I have a family of five, and I make right around $40k/year, with an absolute ban on overtime at my workplace.  We live out in the sticks, so let's discard any thoughts of city premiums.

The reality is that yes, many of the people around me think that what I earn is "MORE than decent money" based on what they see from the outside looking in.  The reality is a lot harsher and colder than that.  What I see from the inside looking out is that I've gained 40lbs in the last year because more or less all of the meat in my diet has been replaced with empty carbs (ever tried eating spagetti for dinner more than 31 days in a row?  Not recommended.) I watch those who earn half my nominal wage get more and more benefits that allow them to eat fresh produce and buy clothing at the same time!!! and still have gasoline to get back and forth to work while I can't sleep at night because I'm trying to figure out some way.... any way.... to keep the lights on- including offing myself so that my wife and kids get the insurance money.  Fuck.  You want to hear something fucked up?  My wife went to the food pantry in our town a few weeks ago against my wishes, and I could not speak for almost an hour when I ate a goddamn orange that was soft and had bad spots all over it because I hadn't had one in almost a year- if I would have opened my mouth, I would have cried- but because I actually give a shit about my family, I STFU, and kept it to myself.  That's what "MORE than decent money" gets you today.  Have you ever had the experience of lusting after a few cans of peaches in the pantry, and pushing it down because you know that if you eat them, your children will end up stunted and mildly retarded?

My family?  We've got nothing.  No EBT, no energy assistance, no housing assistance, nothing.  We're the "rich people." I already blew my savings and precious metals on foolish shit like food and clothing for my children.  I had enough left over after that to continue wearing the same socks that have have had holes in them for years.  Hooray!!! Then, lucky me, I spent most of the day in the hospital today because I had the temerity and unmitigated gall to develop appendicitis.  Sure, I've got heath insurance- but since it comes from the private sector, and not from big sugar daddy Uncle Sam, my $400/mo premium comes with a $9000 deductible.  That means this year will be 33% worse than last year.  Luckily, I prepped for it- sadly, that means more endless months drooling over the impossible idea of eating meat and fruit, while we survive on flour and beans.  

Awesome.... they saved my life so that they could shoot me in the head.  If I'm lucky, the IRA... er... I mean the IRS won't charge me for the priviledge of living in this fine county this year, so that I maybe won't strangle the fucks who work part time at the gas station, and are using their $15,000 tax "returns" to buy a 60" LED TV in February so they have something to entertain them while they do bhong hits.

Yes, in case you are all wondering- the mass shootings will continue, and likely worsen, until morale improves.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 02:34 | 3156864 prains
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If you have any skill or drive to work I have one word for you




4o K/Yr is entry level teenage labourer wage, bitch about the cold and then ask yourself if 100 K/yr apprenticing is all that bad

If you're out of shape, there are a ton of short haul driving jobs falling off the vine. Expand your horizon my friend

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 10:04 | 3157287 Watauga
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Got work up there for a 22 year old Pol Sci grad who would rather work for a living than stroke egos, or worse, on Capitol Hill?  Got a link?  Got a contact? 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 10:51 | 3157449 FrankDrakman
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Got any skills? They're looking for carpenters, roughnecks, pipefitters, etc. If you're looking for a pencil pushing job, not really an option.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:16 | 3158025 prains
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Sorry no link but just Google Edmonton Help wanted and Calgary Help wanted. If Construction google Ledcor, PCL, Graham. If trucking just google trucking jobs alberta. You get the idea.


Drive up, you have a full time job in a week if you look like you know what personal grooming is guaranteed. I've met people from all over the world in Alberta that just hopped a plane and  are working full time, some on their third job as they look for what's right for them.

Now these are all hands on jobs, you need to be dependable and not necessarily a skill but are trainable and want to learn quickly. These folks succeed, they then build up a fund and start their own business here and sky's the limit.

Our family flew here in 77 with 2k and one job offer now business owners and beach dwellers every winter.


Little note on the winters, it really isn't that cold if you have good clothes. Everything is built around being indoors. Mayan Rivierra, Wailea Maui are all short direct flights. After a couple of winters you soon realize -10 C on a sunny bluebird day is actually a beautiful thing. Add being on the top of Goats Eye at Sunshine Mountain and you soon realize who the real pussies of the world are.


infomercial done

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:02 | 3155806 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The darker BLUE that graphic becomes as time goes by, the more LIKELY it becomes that the 'South' will rise again...

The 'South' won't be alone. It looks like pretty much the whole country is economically fucked, and getting fuckeder.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:18 | 3155846 XitSam
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I note that they do not have a seperate category for D.C. or the D.C. area.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:35 | 3155909 madcows
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That's because the map legend only has blue colors.  If there was flaming red in the legend they could show it on the map.  All that hot money flying around to buy politicians would require Nuclear Orange.  Even the panhandlers are doing well with all that free cash the FEDs are spewing into the air.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:42 | 3156089 BooMushroom
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Nuclear orange! Like Effie Trinkett's hair.

Must be nice to live in The Capitol.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:26 | 3155871 Creepy Lurker
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+1 for use of fuckeder. LOL

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:05 | 3155814 spankfish
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"The south rising", was that a penis joke?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:34 | 3156060 CoolBeans
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Yipee Kay Yay motherf*ckers!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:07 | 3156469 MeBizarro
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Haven't reach much US economic history I guess then or ignore the severe limitations that a state like AR or MS faces. 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:35 | 3155908 trav777
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don't look at % black either, your head will explode from all the juice coming off your mental third rail.

Maybe overlay crime rates to poverty to minority population county-by-county...hell do it all over the world and see what jumps out.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:53 | 3156081 Dick Buttkiss
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Well, this jumps up -- -- this former Midwestern being delighted to live in a South that will rise again because its pride of place will no more be vanquished than its gun ownership will.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 09:23 | 3157133 pan-the-ist
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As a midwesterner in the south you have a huge advantage - you know how to work.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:13 | 3160364 Dick Buttkiss
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Well, there's that. But I do think the South will lead the charge out the door.

If at first you don't secede . . .

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:40 | 3156234 cynicalskeptic
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Actually crime rates have a DIRECT felationship to the percentage of population with Southern heritage.  The whole concept of 'disrespect', 'solving' conflicts with violence and an easily insulted concept of 'honor' all go back to Southern Plantation mores - emulated by both the poor white and black populations.  Those with nothing material to be proud of were even more likely to react violently to perceived insults to honor.  

In the North commerce took precedence.  You couldn't easily take offense to people you had to deal with on a regular basis.  Big difference from isolated plantations and small widely separated towns where thopse with money made more and the rest had few prospects.  While Southerners were preoccupied with 'honor' and 'disrespect', Northerners were busy with business and commerce.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:57 | 3156276 sethstorm
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That, and the whole feudal attitude in the South is confused with business friendliness - as opposed to the North where businesses learned to treat workers as equals.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:28 | 3156350 MachoMan
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when you guys get done jerking off each other, you can take a big look at the shit I took on your yankee exceptionalism...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:44 | 3155935 Dr.Awkward
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Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:07 | 3156001 Taint Boil
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Interesting the closer you are to the border with Mexico ... 



The South is dumb. All the hillbilly jokes, the rednecks, etc, etc they didn’t come to be without a reason. Did you ever hear a stupid Russian joke or dumb-ass Chinese joke?


The closer you get to the equator natural selection is way more forgiving. If ya make a mistake near the equator it is usually not a big deal. For example: if ya build a hut in the tropics and the thunder gods makes big wave and knock down house – no big deal, build another. The same hut falling apart in Siberia for example would probably mean you’re dead – nature has a way of handling these things.



Note: Wife is Mexican so I know what I'm talking about.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:12 | 3156010 Fedaykinx
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let's try an experiment.


Black people are dumb. All the nigger jokes, the porchmonkeys, etc, etc they didn’t come to be without a reason. Did you ever hear a stupid Russian joke or dumb-ass Chinese joke?


Note: Wife is Black so I know what I'm talking about.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:36 | 3156069 moonstears
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LOL. This is media at it's finest! I'm gonna miss freedom of speech in the FEMA camps. Note: My wife's Homeland Security so I know what I'm talking about.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:39 | 3156080 a growing concern
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Let's hear more about your wife's job.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:42 | 3156088 moonstears
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It was a joke.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:45 | 3156095 moonstears
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Ask about my wife again and I'll come over there myself, you mothf#@!r!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:46 | 3156096 moonstears
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That one too... joke. Tinfoil hats back on now.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:33 | 3156211 potlatch
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jokes are dumb.


note: my wife is a comedian so I know what I'm talking about.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:23 | 3158171 FrankDrakman
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Oh, blow me.

Note: my wife is a cocksucker, so I know what I'm talking about.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:56 | 3156105 Taint Boil
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JFC - Tongue-in-cheek bro. The wife reference should have made this clear.


Here is the world IQ map Link - just to throw some gas on the fire, which I love doing by the way.


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:01 | 3156128 Fedaykinx
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i didn't junk you.  just an experiment.  careful with that gasoline.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:58 | 3156744 Carnegie_IB
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awesome Avatar, Texas!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:31 | 3156056 CoolBeans
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I'm a southern transplant  -- When the sh*t hits the fan -I'll take 10 people you would call hillbilly rednecks on my side before I'd take 1 stereotypical NYorker, NJersey, etc.   While I don't really fit in around here I have a lot of respect for these God-fearing, good southern souls.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:36 | 3156072 Hedgetard55
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What you meant to say is you would rather take 1 hillbilly redneck to watch your back than 10 Northeast liberal turds who can't find their ass with a map and a flashlight. Right?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:05 | 3156143 Taint Boil
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Yeah, that is what he meant to say and I agree, I would too - 100%

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:35 | 3156221 potlatch
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You obviously have never had to face down the business end of petite housewife in a Land Rover.  Feeling lucky, punk?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:04 | 3156295 clymer
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Plenty of rednecks up north too. (I'm one of em, and we red necks stick together, North, South, don't matter. We're all southerners now, Civil War II will show that. We're all southerners now

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:43 | 3156573 Prometheus418
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There's no "if" or "when" here- I've got a quartermaster and lieutenants now, not "someday after the SHTF."

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:10 | 3156308 Falconsixone
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ooo...I love the business ends of petite housewives roving the land.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:56 | 3156273 cynicalskeptic
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The military LOVES good old boys.    Give an order to charge straight up a hill into withering machine gun fire, southeners will go 'Yes SIR!' and go get slaughtered.  Damn Yankees will say.... 'Uh... Sir.... that's a dumbass idea... we're all gonna get shot that way.... maybe we should trty flanking them, or better yet, call in an air strike, or maybe simply wait here until they leave....'   (same thinking goes all the way back to Pickett's Charge)

I heard this from a First Sergeant at Buckner during 'Beast'.      My USMA class set a record resignation rate towards the end of Vietnam and I'll bet that most of those leaving were northeners thinking 'What the F is wrong with you people?' (at that point NOBODY 'believed' and those that stayed had lortter numbers that guaranteed them a trip to 'Nam no matter what)     The good old boys were all 'Airborne Ranger Let's go kill a Gook' without ever questioning what in the hell was going on........

There's much to value in Southern ethos - the 'warrior' Scots Irish thing and all, but too often you don't have a lot of serious THINKING going on - just 'reaction'.   Getting pissed and fighting those you consider 'enemies' isn't always the best solution - especially when you're vastly ouitnumbered. n The South DID lose teh Civil War btw - and it seems that the basic educational base there hasn't expanded much since then.  And I always thought Jesus taught compassion and love - God was not someone to be feared.  Funny how my 'born-again' relatives are the worst schemers and cheaters - they'll try and screw you out of a dime while in contrast I've always found that dollars freely given come back and multiply.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:31 | 3156777 moonstears
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You are a dickhead, cynical one. Do you, perhaps, work in banking? Political class maybe? Education? DMV?  Question...have you ever went to the tittie bar with the "guys from work" and been stuck with the bar tab? You have? They said it was a mistake, but I know why that happened.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:37 | 3156380 thefedisscam
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you are so "smart" that do NOT even know how to read the map. MT, ID, and OR up the North very next to Canada has exactly the SAME high poverty rate as most state in the south!


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:34 | 3155710 Stackers
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Been to Houston lately ?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:36 | 3155728 yrbmegr
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Houston's booming.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:39 | 3155743 OOONONO
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Not on my side of town

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:40 | 3155744 Orly
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No, it's not.


And Houston isn't in the "South" anyway.


Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:50 | 3155786 EINSILVERGUY

Actually most Native Houstonians would probably disagree with you and houston is fairing better along with Austin and Dallas that most of the other top 30 citties in the US 

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:13 | 3155831 otto skorzeny
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thank the Bernank's cheap money for $90 a barrel for Houston's "boom" while the other 49 states get fucked w/ $3.50 a gallon gas- if oil was $35 a barrel like it should be then Houston=Detroit

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:19 | 3155845 Stackers
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Houston is not just oil. World's largest medical district is in Houston. Space. Finance. Largest bulk tonage port in US, it is the mega port for the Gulf coast far out reaching New Orleans in freight and railroad lines. It's not the oil that makes Houston rich, but the concentration of refineries like no where else in world that turns that oil into usuable stuff.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:16 | 3156320 Falconsixone
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I can't afford any of that stuff so they (like the gov.) must be feeding off each other (like the US used to).

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:28 | 3156679 secret_sam
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"Medicine, space, finance" are all pretty much fed directly by FEDGOV subsidy, yep.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:32 | 3155895 Never One Roach
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Austin has  become a nightmare with a shooting or stabbing every second night. When my son finishes shcool there he's mov'n on out to a safer town:

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:52 | 3156108 sadmamapatriot
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Austin, aka People's Republic of Travis County. I am a Longhorn and know of what I speak. I am sitting pretty in East Texas now, thanks be to God.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 02:33 | 3156865 akak
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Sadmamapatriot, I've always been curious, why do people in Texas talk about "North Texas" or "East Texas" or "West Texas", as if there were distinct and separate states with those names?  Shouldn't they be referring to "Eastern Texas" or "Northern Texas" or "Western Texas"? The way I learned it, you only use the words "north", "south", "east" or "west" with distinct political entities, such as states (West Virginia, North Dakota, South Carolina), never with ill-defined regions or subdivisions of a state.

When I lived in Michigan, NOBODY ever used the phrase "North Michigan" or "South Michigan" --- it was always "Northern Michigan", "Southern Michigan", etc., as it should be,.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:37 | 3155717 Insideher Trading
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The South has a lot of blacks.

Look at the poverty rate, crime rate, education, unemployment rate (or any other metric measured by society) as a percent of the population by demographic.

I know, I know...white mans fault.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:46 | 3155771 OOONONO
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I'm not black, but I am startin' to feel the whole "f*ck that honky sh*t, I ain't workin' fo no peenuts just so some cracker gets rich" vibe they all got goon' on

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:47 | 3155778 francis_sawyer
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Can a nigga get a table dance?



Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:56 | 3155780 Insideher Trading
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I suspect facts and statistics befuddle and intimidate you as well to the point of ignoring them completely.

What was the point of declaring that you weren't black? Some attempt to prove that your reply wasn't seeded with bias? #fail

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:00 | 3155798 OOONONO
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Was I talk in' to you?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:06 | 3155810 Insideher Trading
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You clicked "reply" to my post.

So yea, you were. Unless, the word "reply" confuses you as much as facts and statisitcs.

Or you're a troll, in which case, congratulations, I fed you.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:10 | 3155825 A Lunatic
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You talkin' to me?? Anymore it's so hard to tell who's talking to who around here, LOL...........

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:00 | 3155912 francis_sawyer
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Are you talkin to me???


I'm talking to the 'Vitruvian Garfield'... [just to be sure]...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:59 | 3155793 DFCtomm
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What you feel doesn't matter. The "honky" will simply import Mexicans to work for those peanuts, but enjoy that welfare, while it lasts.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:18 | 3155847 Creepy Lurker
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The operative part of that phrase being, "while it lasts."

At this point, I'm just waiting to see the show when the welfare, disability, Aid-To-Dependent-Children, SS, SSI, SNAP cards, and special benefits to Socialist-Lesbian-Peruvian-Clog-Dancers all turn to rubber and start bouncing around.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:47 | 3155945 toady
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And the outcome will be the same. Take a look at New Mexico & Phoenix.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:38 | 3155920 trav777
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We will NOT have facts pointed out on THIS topic, OK?

Even Haiti is whitey's fault, despite that they slaughtered pretty much all of them after 1802 Independence and have run the place themselves for 200 years.

Meanwhile on the same fking island, hispanics have a society typical of what hispanics pretty much do everywhere else in central america.

Biology is destiny.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:05 | 3155994 Insideher Trading
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I couldn't agree more.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:42 | 3156231 francis_sawyer
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Good thing there are no 'Jews' in America then... Benjamin Franklin warned everyone about this... [but, of course he NEVER really said it... I KNOW, I saw it on the internet & you can't publish anything on the internet that isn't TRUE]...


Whew!... Good thing we escaped THAT potential mess...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:35 | 3156690 secret_sam
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Biology is destiny.  That's always the catch. 

Sure, sure, maybe all the negroes deserve every bit of suck they own because of their inherent inferiority, but what does that say about all us regular white folk when we compare ourselves to the JOOS?!?!?!?!

Those fuckers may run the world and scheme constantly to fuck us over, but there's so few of them!  If they're *dominating* institutional power, it can ONLY be our DNA, right? 

It's not our "fault," but we can NEVER HOPE TO WIN!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:13 | 3156012 DeadFred
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A Google satellite view of the border between the two is priceless. One side is denuded and barren while a straight-line border separates the wasteland from forested hillsides.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:45 | 3156401 thefedisscam
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what the Whites can expect? Their ancesters bring the blacks in to the America as slaves!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 08:44 | 3157076 Marty Rothbard
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It wasn't my ancestors(Germans who settled in NC).  It was the British, and damn Yankee traders.  Read your history.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:37 | 3155729 quintago
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It's all relative. If 40% of the people are in the same boat, then it's not really material.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:39 | 3155736 busted by the b...
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Why are the red states bluer than the blue states?


Blue states win, again.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:46 | 3155770 Agent P
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Red state mentality: "Work for a living"

Blue state mentality: "Where's my free shit?"

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:05 | 3155812 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Red State / Blue State mentality: nation of retards.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:32 | 3156541 MeBizarro
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Exactly and looking at these kind of things on a state level instead of a county or smaller geographic area dilutes any real insite into these kinds of analyses.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:14 | 3156172 Miffed Microbio...
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Yeah there's nothing like having a red state mentality and then having your red state where you live morph into a blue state. By definition blue state eats red state.Beautiful Cali has become a sewage pit.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 00:28 | 3156680 Ballin D
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Trying to avoid red vs blue or north vs south here but California kind of demonstrates an accelerated lifecycle of a society.  Built by hard work and ingenuity and torn to pieces by progressive policies when people saw the opportunities available for harvast.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 22:36 | 3156374 sethstorm
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The North: Creates actual businesses and respects workers.

The South: Has to steal business from the North and hates workers.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:47 | 3156100 BooMushroom
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Cost of living?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:41 | 3155750 A. Magnus
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If you count the number of wage slave plantations in the South you could make a case for it...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:26 | 3155873 GOSPLAN HERO
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The South was screwed forever in 1865.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:51 | 3155955 Dingleberry
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Having spent a lot of time in the South and the North recently, the South is definitely more economically stable. A buck goes a lot further in Dixie. Plus they have nowhere near the societal ills that the North has. Detroit, Camden, Philly, Gary IN ring a bell? These places exist in much smaller scales in the South. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 08:40 | 3157074 Marty Rothbard
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Have you considered that it costs much less to live in the confederate states of america, particularly since the percentage of residents living in rural areas is much higher?  For instance, I live on the family farm, have no mortgage, no city property taxes, or licensing, no water bill, since I use a well.  During the winter I heat my home, and my domestic hot water with wood I cut myself via my wood fired furnace.  I grow vegetables, winter and summer, I'm currently eating fresh lettuce, kale, carrots, spinach, and broccoli from my garden, as well as canned summer produce.  For the price of a small Manhattan apartment, I can live comfortably, and still stack silver.  I'd say the south is rising right now, and when SHTF, I'd much rather be here than yankee land.   All you city slickers have your comeuppance on the way.  I hope you enjoy it, I will!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:33 | 3155708 Agent P
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At least they're working for it.  These people should be commended.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:33 | 3155711 Snakeeyes
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With declining wages and salaries as a percentage of GDP, is anyone really surprised?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:39 | 3155723 Ying-Yang
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Pretty depressing chart.... 3 states have 40% of the working families making below 200% of poverty level?

The government's definition of poverty is based on total income received. For example, the poverty level for 2012 was set at $23,050 (total yearly income) for a family of four.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:00 | 3155976 Never One Roach
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They better grab a zero down house before they start checking on employment, income, etc.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:35 | 3155724 AccreditedEYE
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Well, there it is Ben. Your proof of QE/Printing effects on the REAL economy... not that you care, but just the same.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:36 | 3155914 blu
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He goes to sleep every night with that chart under his pillow.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:45 | 3155766 A. Magnus
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Notice how there is NO correlation between states with lots of 'Joos' like Florida, New York and California with propsperity and economic power. I guess the little F.B.I. Klansmen bitchwhores who say everything is the 'Joos' fault will need to fabricate something else to make people on this site look bad...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:53 | 3155790 OOONONO
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SEC surfs midget-tranny porn, and the FBI trolls racist tangential mind spew - public service ain't what it used to be

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:17 | 3155844 otto skorzeny
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while you eat cat food then enjoy the fact that 1.7% of US population(joos) control 40% of US wealth-and if everyone agrees that there is no correlation with hard work enabling one to get wealthy in the US and everything to do with crony capitalism and being in the club-then you tell me who's fucking whom?.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:30 | 3155888 A. Magnus
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Look, just because you were a Nazi guard for the Bush family doesn't mean your facts are straight; first I don't eat cat food and second, I don't control 40% of the wealth in this country and I am a 'Joo.' If you could be any more full of shit your eyes would be brown...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:43 | 3155931 trav777
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you're just a dumb jew I guess.

Because what you say doesn't refute what he says.

Do you think that if you took all jews and all wealth and found that group 1 had an intersection of 40% of group 2 that this is somehow invalidated by the fact that ONE PERSON, aka you, has jackshit?

This is why it's important to understand the bell curve; you're clearly way out on the left.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:41 | 3155926 trav777
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"Lots"?  Don't ever say lots as part of any argument because it's a nonquantifiable term, IDIOT.

If you looked at a county by county map and you did overlay with % joo, you'd see some things pop right out.

California is 40M people, there aren't 40M fkin jooz in the entire world.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 18:52 | 3155782 garcam123
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No doubt about it.  Dumping 84 billion dollars a month into this economy is driving prices up and up and when you have $ 32.00 a week left over to buy food and gas to get to your shit sucking job, what does that leave for anthing?

This can't go on much longer.  Hungry people don't really care about dying.  They care more about taking some "priviledged" piece of shit out with them.  I expect it to explode this summer when it gets real hot and there is no money for AC OR food!

The cops are going to be hiring, because of losses,  but I don't think theres going to be many new hires because they will have a life expectancy of about 2 weeks.

Shit is going to start happening and Pres OBee ain't gonna have shit to say about it. The brothers know this trick ain't gonna do nothin for them.  They're already calling him Tom!

American soldiers aren't going to kill their fellow citizens, they're going to attack the terriorists, the ones hiding in police uniforms.  Get ready America!  The fight of the ages is getting ready to start!  Maybe even in your yard!

Good luck, protect your children, God Bless America!

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:09 | 3155820 willwork4food
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With luck, most will realize it's not the police worker's fault we are in the shit hole we're in, but the esteemed members of Congress in DC. I wonder what they'd do if 10% of us march to DC-fully armed- to DEMAND the heads of the fuckers. Would they call in the military? Would the military obey?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:21 | 3155852 otto skorzeny
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as long as the checks keep clearing-the great majority of the military and cops(who are mostly PTSDed ex military) will follow orders-does a little thing like Germany in the 30s ring a bell?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:22 | 3155859 Westcoastliberal
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Yes, and yes. In a heartbeat.  What do you think those 3 Billion rounds of hollowpoints are for?

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:55 | 3156112 BooMushroom
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Sure, the whole mess isn't the cops' fault, but if he's the one standing between you and the downed tree you need to chop to survive through the winter, or he's the one between you and the food, you might take it out on him anyway.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:54 | 3156599 Prometheus418
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Doesn't matter whose "fault" it is.  The police roll onto my block tomorrow, they'll be leaving in black bags.  We'll lose in the end, but nobody here is going quietly.  Lots of Gadsen Flags and gardens in my neighborhood.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:23 | 3155864 Five8Charlie
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I think there is a reason for the full-court press on gun restrictions - and it has nothing to do with Sandy Hook. Crimes by sick people have happened all the time, unfortunately. Why dial up the anti-gun propaganda now?

If I was the one running this circus, I'd be starting to get a little concerned about data like this and what it might mean if people began getting a little restless over it. Best to take away their means to express displeasure now before doing so becomes ... more difficult.

The time to learn who your friends really are is getting close...

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:45 | 3155939 blu
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"Best to take away their means to express displeasure now before doing so becomes ... more difficult."

They might be getting nervous, sure.

However it is virtually impossible to imagine a scenario where the federal or state governments enact (least of all, enforce with any hope of success) gun confiscation the likes of which you seem to be implying in your comment.

300 million guns in the hands of US citizens living in a country the size of the US will remain 300 million forever and everyone on the face of the planet knows this.

The mechanism to change that reality in any downward direction simply cannot exist outside of badly conceived fiction or drug-induced delirium.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 19:58 | 3155966 bag holder
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The mechanism to change that reality in any downward direction simply cannot exist outside of badly conceived fiction or drug-induced delirium.

Or one well-placed nuclear strike.


* By which I mean, stir up a revolt in Texas or Idaho, nuke it, and watch the rest of the sheep get right in line.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:59 | 3156121 BooMushroom
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I'm pretty sure that deploying nuclear weapons against American Citizens in the USA, that would be the moment that everyone runs out their front door, gun in hand.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 23:58 | 3156609 Prometheus418
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Not a chance.  That's the moment 85% or better line up for FEMA camps and vote to kick the terrorists' collective asses.

Guns in hand will come from energy or food riots, and little else- we've been trained for years to passively stand behind the stars and bars, and logical thinking has very little to do with it.

As much as I hate the idea with every fiber of my being, a false flag nuke is the absolute safest way for our gov't to lock everyone down.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 20:25 | 3156034 Five8Charlie
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I hope that you are right and I am wrong. But 'hope' is not the same thing as a plan - as we, the people, seem to have either forgotten or never learned. So, I will plan accordingly.


"300 million guns in the hands of US citizens living in a country the size of the US will remain 300 million forever and everyone on the face of the planet knows this."

"Forever" is a long time. The United States has changed a lot in my lifetime - I suspect there will be changes in the future.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 21:40 | 3156233 ZeroAvatar
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Honestly, the trick to all this is to remain patient:  Something will ignite the tinderbox, be it:  EBT cards don't work, Russia pre-emptive nuke strike, Israeli strike on Iran, Jackboots kicking in people's front doors at 3:00am when it's 5 degrees outside, Mexican drug dealers invade US border, I don't know. 


What I do know, is, people like douchinger talk the talk, oh, boy, do they......but will they walk the walk?  There's a whole lotta 'USA USA GUNS GUNS' types out there fomenting 'la revolucion',  but when the first doors start getting kicked in, will the douchebags actually GET OUT THERE AND FIGHT with you, or just lock their front doors and curl up next to their warm computer server? 


I get the feeling there's a lot of OWS-type jackasses out there who run their mouths but when the chips are down are just a buncha punks.


Don't get drawn in early.  Don't fire until you see the yellows of their drug-dilated jaundiced eyes. Defend your home, and your family for now.  The time to defend the Constitution will make itself known, soon enough.  No one can do any good from a Fema cell, or worse, dead.

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