Guest Post: A Message To The 'Left' From A 'Right Wing Extremist'

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

A Message To The 'Left' From A 'Right Wing Extremist'

Some discoveries are exciting, joyful, and exhilarating, while others can be quite painful.  Stumbling upon the fact that you do not necessarily have a competent grasp of reality, that you have in fact been duped for most of your life, is not a pleasant experience.  While it may be a living nightmare to realize that part of one’s life was, perhaps, wasted on the false ideas of others, enlightenment often requires that the worldview that we were indoctrinated with be completely destroyed before we can finally resurrect a tangible identity and belief system.  To have rebirth, something must first die...

In 2004, I found myself at such a crossroads.  At that time I was a dedicated Democrat, and I thought I had it all figured out.  The Republican Party was to me a perfect sort of monster.  They had everything!  Corporate puppet masters.  Warmongering zealots.  Fake Christians.  Orwellian social policies.  The Bush years were a special kind of horror.  It was cinematic.  Shakespearean.  If I was to tell a story of absolute villainy, I would merely describe the mass insanity and bloodlust days of doom and dread wrought by the Neo-Con ilk in the early years of the new millennium.

But, of course, I was partly naïve...

The campaign rhetoric of John Kerry was eye opening.  I waited, day after day, month after month for my party’s candidate to take a hard stance on the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I waited for a battle cry against the Patriot Act and the unconstitutional intrusions of the Executive Branch into the lives of innocent citizens.  I waited for a clear vision, a spark of wisdom and common sense.  I waited for the whole of the election for that man to finally embrace the feelings of his supporters and say, with absolute resolve, that the broken nation we now lived in would be returned to its original foundations.  That civil liberty, freedom, and peace, would be our standard once again.  Unfortunately, the words never came, and I realized, he had no opposition to the Bush plan.  He was not going to fight against the wars, the revolving door, or the trampling of our freedoms.  Indeed, it seemed as though he had no intention of winning at all.

I came to see a dark side to the Democratic Party that had always been there but which I had refused to acknowledge.  Their leadership was no different than the Neo-Cons that I despised.  On top of this, many supporters of the Democratic establishment had no values, and no principles.  Their only desire was to “win” at any cost.  They would get their "perfect society" at any cost, even if they had to chain us all together to do it. 

There was no doubt in my mind that if the Democrats reoccupied the White House or any other political power structure one day, they would immediately adopt the same exact policies and attitudes of the Neo-Conservatives, and become just as power-mad if not more so.  In 2008 my theory was proven unequivocally correct.

It really is amazing.  I have seen the so-called “anti-war” party become the most accommodating cheerleader of laser guided death and domination in the Middle East, with predator drones operating in the sovereign skies of multiple countries raining missiles upon far more civilians than “enemy combatants”, all at the behest of Barack Obama.  I have seen the “party of civil liberties” expand on every Constitution crushing policy of the Bush Administration, while levying some of the most draconian legislation ever witnessed in the history of this country.  I have seen Obama endorse enemy combatant status for American citizens, and the end of due process under the law through the NDAA.  I have seen him endorse the end of trial by jury.  I have seen him endorse secret assassination lists, and the federally drafted murder of U.S. civilians.  I have seen him endorse executive orders which open the path to the declaration of a “national emergency” at any time for any reason allowing for the dissolution of most constitutional rights and the unleashing of martial law.

If I was still a Democrat today I would be sickly ashamed.  Yet, many average Democrats actually defend this behavior from their party.  The same behavior they once railed against under Bush.

However, I have not come here to admonish Democrats (at least not most of them).  I used to be just like them.  I used to believe in the game.  I believed that the rules mattered, and that it was possible to change things by those rules with patience and effort.  I believed in non-violent resistance, protest, civil dissent, educational activism, etc.  I thought that the courts were an avenue for political justice.  I believed that the only element required to end corruption would be a sound argument and solid logic backed by an emotional appeal to reason.  I believed in the power of elections, and had faith in the idea that all we needed was the “right candidate” to lead us to the promise land.  Again, I believed in the game. 

The problem is, the way the world works and the way we WISH the world worked are not always congruent.  Attempting to renovate a criminal system while acting within the rigged confines of that system is futile, not to mention delusional.  Corrupt oligarchies adhere to the standards of civility only as long as they feel the need to maintain the illusion of the moral high ground.  Once they have enough control, the mask always comes off, the rotten core is revealed, and immediate violence against dissent commences. 

Sometimes the only solutions left in the face of tyranny are not peaceful.  Logic, reason, and justice are not revered in a legal system which serves the will of the power elite instead of the common man.  The most beautiful of arguments are but meaningless flitters of hot air in the ears of sociopaths.  Sometimes, the bully just needs to be punched in the teeth.

This philosophy of independent action is consistently demonized, regardless of how practical it really is when faced with the facts.  The usual responses to the concept of full defiance are accusations of extremism and malicious intent.  Believe me, when I embarked on the path towards the truth in 2004, I never thought I would one day be called a potential “homegrown terrorist”, but that is essentially where we are in America in 2013.  To step outside the mainstream and question the validity of the game is akin to terrorism in the eyes of the state and the sad cowardly people who feed the machine. 

During the rise of any despotic governmental structure, there is always a section of the population that is given special treatment, and made to feel as though they are “on the winning team”.  For now, it would appear that the “Left” side of the political spectrum has been chosen by the establishment as the favored sons and daughters of the restructured centralized U.S.  However, before those of you on the Left get too comfortable in your new position as the hand of globalization, I would like to appeal to you for a moment of unbiased consideration.  I know from personal experience that there are Democrats out there who are actually far more like we constitutionalists and “right wing extremists” than they may realize.  I ask that you take the following points into account, regardless of what the system decides to label us...

We Are Being Divided By False Party Paradigms

Many Democrats and Republicans are not stupid, and want above all else to see the tenets of freedom respected and protected.  Unfortunately, they also tend to believe that only their particular political party is the true defender of liberty.  The bottom line is, at the top of each party there is very little if any discernible difference between the two.   If you ignore all the rhetoric and only look at action, the Republican and Democratic leadership are essentially the same animal working for the same special interests.  There is no left and right; only those who wish to be free, and those who wish to control.

Last year, the “Left and the “Right” experienced an incredible moment of unity after the introduction of the NDAA.  People on both sides were able to see the terrifying implications of a law that allows the government to treat any American civilian as an enemy of war without right to trial.  In 2013, the establishment is attempting to divide us once again with the issue of gun disarmament.  I have already presented my position on gun rights in numerous other articles and I believe my stance is unshakeable.  But, what I will ask anti-gun proponents and on-the-fence Democrats is this:  How do you think legislation like the NDAA will be enforced in the future?  Is it not far easier to threaten Americans with rendition, torture, and assassination when they are completely unarmed?  If you oppose the NDAA, you should also oppose any measure which gives teeth to the NDAA, including the debasement of the 2nd Amendment.

Democrats Are Looking For Help In The Wrong Place

Strangely, Democrats very often search for redress within the very system they know is criminal.  For some reason, they think that if they bash their heads into the wall long enough, a door will suddenly appear.  I’m here to tell you, there is no door. 

The biggest difference between progressives and conservatives is that progressives consistently look to government to solve all the troubles of the world, when government is usually the CAUSE of all the troubles in the world.  The most common Democratic argument is that in America the government “is what we make it”, and we can change it anytime we like through the election process.  Maybe this was true at one time, but not anymore.  Just look at Barack Obama!  I would ask all those on the Left to take an honest look at the policies of Obama compared to the policies of most Neo-Cons, especially when it comes to constitutional liberties.  Where is the end to Middle Eastern war?  Where is the end to domestic spy programs?  Where is the end to incessant and dictatorial executive orders?  Where is the conflict between the Neo-Cons and the Neo-Liberals?  And, before you point at the gun control debate, I suggest you look at Obama’s gun policies compared to Mitt Romney’s and John McCain’s – there is almost no difference whatsoever…

If the two party system becomes a one party system, then elections are meaningless, and electing a new set of corrupt politicians will not help us.

Democrats Value Social Units When They Should Value Individuals Instead

Democrats tend to see everything in terms of groups.  Victim status groups, religious groups, racial groups, special interest groups, etc.  They want to focus on the health of the whole world as if it is a single entity.  It is not.  Without individuals, there is no such thing as “groups”, and what we might categorize as groups change and disperse without notice.  Groups do not exist beyond shared values, and even then, the individual is still more important in the grand scheme of things. 

As a former Democrat, I know that the obsession with group status makes it easy to fall into the trap of collectivism.  It is easy to think that what is best for you must be best for everybody.  This Utopian idealism is incredibly fallible.  Wanting the best for everyone is a noble sentiment, but using government as a weapon to force your particular vision of the “greater good” on others leads to nothing but disaster.  The only safe and reasonable course is to allow individuals to choose for themselves how they will function in society IF they choose to participate at all.  Government must be left out of the equation as much as possible.  Its primary job should be to safeguard the individual’s right to choose how he will live.  You have to get over the fact that there is no such thing as a perfect social order, and even if there was, no government is capable of making it happen for you.   

Democrats Can Become As Power-Mad As Any Neo-Con

I think it is important to point out how quickly most Democratic values went out the door as soon as Barack Obama was placed in the White House.  Let’s be clear; you cannot claim to be anti-war, anti-torture, anti-assassination, anti-surveillance, anti-corporate, anti-bank, anti-rendition, etc. while defending the policies of Obama at the same time.  This is hypocrisy. 

I have heard some insane arguments from left leaning proponents lately.  Some admit that Obama does indeed murder and torture, but “at least he is pushing for universal health care…”.  Even if it did work (which it won’t), is Obamacare really worth having a president who is willing to murder children on the other side of the world and black-bag citizens here at home?  Do not forget your moral compass just because you think the system is now your personal playground.  If you do, you are no better than all the angry bloodcrazed Republicans that bumbled into the Iraq War while blindly following George W. Bush. 

There Is A Difference Between Traditional Conservatives And Neo-Cons

Neo-Cons are not conservative.  They are in fact socialist in their methods, and they always expand government spending and power while reducing constitutional protections.  The “Liberty Movement”, of which I am proudly a part, is traditional conservative.  We believe that government, especially as corrupt as it is today, cannot be trusted to administrate and nursemaid over every individual in our nation.  It has proven time after time that it caters only to criminally inclined circles of elites.  Therefore, we seek to reduce the size and influence of government so that we can minimize the damage that it is doing.  For this, we are called “extremists”. 

Governments are not omnipotent.  They are not above criticism, or even punishment.  They are merely a collection of individuals who act either with honor or dishonor.  In the Liberty Movement, we treat a corrupt government just as we would treat a corrupt individual.  We do not worship the image of the state, nor should any Democrat.

Liberty Minded Conservatives Are Not “Terrorists”

There will come a time, very soon I believe, when people like me are officially labeled “terrorists”.  Perhaps because we refuse gun registration or confiscation.  Perhaps because we develop alternative trade markets outside the system.  Maybe because some of us are targeted by federal raids, and we fight back instead of submitting.  Maybe because we speak out against the establishment during a time of “declared crisis”, and speech critical of the government is labeled “harmful to the public good”.  One way or another, whether you want to believe me now or not, the day is coming. 

Before this occurs, and the mainstream media attacks us viciously as “conspiracy theorists” and traitors, I want the Left to understand that no matter what you may hear about us, our only purpose is to ensure that our natural rights are not violated, our country is not decimated, and our republic is governed with full transparency.  We are not the dumb redneck racist hillbilly gun nuts you see in every primetime TV show, and anyone who acts out of personal bias and disdain for their fellow man is not someone we seek to associate with.  We fight because we have no other choice.  Our conscience demands that we oppose centralized tyranny.  We do what we do because the only other option is subservience and slavery.   

Many of the people I have dealt with in the Liberty Movement are the most intelligent, well-informed, principled and dedicated men and women I have ever met.  They want, basically, what most of us want:

  • to be free to determine their own destinies.
  • To be free to speak their minds without threat of state retribution.
  • To be free to defend themselves from any enemy that would seek to oppress them.
  • To live within an economic environment that is not rigged in favor of elitist minorities and on the verge of engineered collapse.
  • To live in a system that respects justice and legitimate law instead of using the law as a sword against the public.
  • To wake up each day with solace in the knowledge that while life in many regards will always be a difficult thing, we still have the means to make it better for ourselves and for the next generation.
  • To wake up knowing that those inner elements of the human heart which make us most unique and most endearing are no longer considered “aberrant”, and are no longer under threat.

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Withdrawn Sanction's picture

global warming is a hoax? Gotta love these people... 99% of climate scientists agree, but it's a hoax

So science advances by agreement, does it?  Get a grip and try to think for yourself. Practically every major innovation, scientific or otherwise, arises b/c some iconoclast, some lone dissenter goes his/her own way often in the face of unrelenting criticism for being "outside the mainstream."  That 99% argument is really nothing more than an attempt to bully and itimidate.  It is, in fact, a variant of argumentum ad vericundiem (or the illegitimate appeal to authority).

There may indeed be global warming (or is it "climate change" this month?).  But you wont win any arguments let alone converts w/a specious argument like that.

Anusocracy's picture

The moral issue of abortion can be explained.

A mother of a newborn in a hunter-gatherer tribe would take the baby away from the others, examine it, determine if it were defective, and kill it if it were. This was a survival strategy - the tribe and the mother wouldn't have resources for it. In the tribal society, the alpha-males, and wannabes, would sometimes kill lower males' children to ensure the survival of their own, or to make a female receptive. Killing infants was moral, it was a survival strategy. The liberals are their cultural descendants.

When settlements, domestication of plants and animals, and hierarchical power structures occurred, people were able to vastly increase the size of their communities. So much so, that the emphasis changed to growing ever larger communities (still present today as the NWO push) as a survival strategy. There is strength in numbers. The morality became that newborn lives were necessary for survival, not a detriment to it - for both men and women. The conservatives are cultural descendants of this phaoronic culture.

So for the left, abortions tend to be moral, and for the right, abortions tend to be immoral.

Raymond Reason's picture

From the Christian perspective, abortion is a mortal sin.  But the Christian is given free-will, to sin or not to sin.  That is essential to the faith.   Legislating morality is a Hebrew tradition, which for political purposes has infected  the western church.  Government is charged with protecting citizens, but the unborn child is not a citizen, so govt should not be meddling here. 

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Huh. So, let's say a British tourist comes to our country. He's not a citizen, so we can murder him or her, right?

A human being is a human being, whether it is inside the womb or outside it. Murder is sick and evil, but murdering the unborn is the sickest, evilest, most vile act imaginable. To kill an entirely helpless human--and there is nothing more helpless than a fetus-- whose "crime" was simply to be conceived, is just shockingly evil.

There really isn't a way around it. 

Parabox's picture

You describe a principled position BB.  Principled positions are black and white/ absolute.  He uses moral relativitiy, which says anything is ok as long as you have a good enough spin/excuse.  It's all grey.

Raymond Reason's picture

I'm in no way giving credence to moral relativism, although you would like to interpret it that way.   Legislating morality is a political tool, used by people bereft of morals, to divide and conquer. 

sessinpo's picture

The fallacy in your post BB is this. A citizen has certain rights, supposedly protected by the Government.

In the situation you presented, a foriegnor visiting also has rights even though they are not a "citizen" of this nation.

If you, an American, were to visit Britain, you would have to follow their laws and if you were arrested, you would be subject to their laws (including such protections), until you get the American Embassy involved to help you out (if they even will help).


I agree with you humans are humans and I am pro life. But if you are going to make an argument, examine the flaws in your argument.

Raymond Reason's picture

What sessinpo says above is correct.  In the same way, the Christian should not expect the govt to outlaw homosexuality,  only the promotion of said sin toward children in schools, in which we are forced to send them.  If we continue down the road of legislating morality, rather than protecting the rights of citizens,  we might as well outlaw atheism.  Obviously this flies n the face of free will to accept or deny Christ. 

There is no question in the Christian's mind, that an unborn child is a human, and to murder a human is possibly the worst sin.  But the unborn state should be soley God's jurisdiction, not the govt's. 

secret_sam's picture

     From the Christian perspective, abortion is a mortal sin.

Since when?  Is that something you're familiar with?

Gavrikon's picture

Seems to me that if people who believe that abortion is permissable (and in some cases desirable) abort their children, and those who are against it do not, then the issue should resolve itself over time. 

Freddie's picture

GW is not science. Another nWO scam.

BKbroiler's picture

That is why the GOP is failing.  The absolute dumbest people in the country have now coalesced into one faction.  Whether it's man made or not, the climate is getting warmer and producing massive storms and droughts.  I've been on this site long enough to know how truly brainwashed you are, so I'm not gonna pursue this but goddamn, boy.  Use your head.  Look at data.  THINK.  This isn't about right or left, it's common sense.


And to "Yes We Can, but"... nice avatar, I wonder what you believe in.  How does a party that believes that government should stay out of their lives justify letting the government tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body?  Doesn't that seem ironic to you?  

Junk away, most of you are dumb as a pile of rocks, save RockyRacoon and a couple others.  

RockyRacoon's picture

Why do you think ZH has lost so many comment veterans?   They have moved on to other sources, or they just read the articles, like myself.   I find myself lost in comments now and then when the article is cogent or to my interest (not the advertisement-style "articles").   There are some single-issue commenters who tend to twist any topic to their pet peeve, but they can be skipped when scanning the comments.   Not letting the twerps get ya down is a learned skill.

BKbroiler's picture

Still learning that one, thanks Rocky. 

derek_vineyard's picture

rocky---  i agree that many commenters here have an agenda and are seeking to validate their beliefs and seem to get a portion of their identity from this forum.

if tyler says jump, they ask 'how high?'.

i know what i know, learn what i can and always call it as i see it.  my motives are self preservation, security and the quest for knowledge. i, too, miss the comments from the veteran posters we have lost.


RockyRacoon's picture

The phrase, "Get a life!" certainly hits home when it's as you say about certain folks getting their life essence from ZH.  

It'll be nice when the nega-bots leave the site.  Just rolling through the comments and giving negatives to certain personalities gets old.

francis_sawyer's picture

Isn't that what the FORUM function that the Tylers inserted awhile back was for?


You know ~ so the 'smart' people on ZH could go off into their own little cozy space & jack each other off inbetween bouts of stumbling over themselves agreeing with each other... To my knowledge, that function still exists...

I'm going to have to go watch FIGHT CLUB again... I must have missed the part where there was a little 'off-room' in the basement where the dudes went to drink tea... The world is a fucked up place... Deal with it... It doesn't mean it has to be 'FUCKED UP' for you (as long as you have the freedom to speak your mind)... It's incumbent on others to tune out 'white noise' if they deem it irritable... & in the end...

"On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero'...

[but that doesn't seem to dissuade anyone's efforts to manipulate the [same] timeline]

RockyRacoon's picture

Ooooh.  Musta hit a few nerves.  Good.

francis_sawyer's picture

Has nothing to do with "nerves"... I just thought is was a STUPID ASS comment... Leave it at that...


I get a kick out of all these people who sit there & pine about the 'good ol days' as some kind of make believe way of justifying their own intelligence...

- Oh! baseball was so much more PURE in the Dizzy Dean Era

- That band was GREAT when they were a garage band, now they went mainstream & now they suck

- Bring back 8 Track tapes


Get over it bitchez!

Want my opinion [you're gonna get it whether you like it or not]... Sure ~ a couple of years ago there were some interesting posters on ZH... Why? Because a couple of years ago there were people [including myself], who actually believed that the MARKETS WORK... So ~ those interesting commentators tended, by & large, to be ones who seemed like they were 'closer to the WIZARD' than the rest of anybody...

Guess what?... Markets have been exposed... The curtain has been pulled back... THERE IS NO FUCKING WIZARD... [Just a bunch of idiots running around wishing & hoping the Wizard is actually there & thinking they just need a sight adjustment to their glasses to see him]...

lewy14's picture

The "dumb as a pile of rocks" slander is complete propaganda. You are repeating talking points from Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and the Democratic Party media complex. 

Stop it. Just stop it if you profess to stand with the people and not the parties.

If there is a message here it is to reflect deeply on just how much party propaganda permiates and distorts the discussions between average people.

This goes for the right as well as the left.

The propaganda appeals to self image... it flatters and elevates the believers. Don't fall for it.

If you really need to believe you are that much smarter and that we're as dumb as a pile of rocks, then your own self image is pretty fragile and your own ego must need a bunch of stroking.

Stand with the people and not the parties. Get to know the people and forget what you've been told about them. It's eye opening.

BKbroiler's picture

There are many very smart republicans.  I have friends on Wall Street who are very Republican, very rich, and very smart.   But let me say the following:

If you don't believe in evolution, you're stupid.

If you don't believe that the planet is getting warmer, whether naturally or man-made, you're stupid.

If you believe a woman can "shut down a pregnancy", you're stupid.

If you believe that trickle down economics actually works, you're stupid.

There are lots of idiot, commie, bleeding heart liberal pansies who can't handle a gun so they think no one else should have one.  I separate myself from that crowd the way that every self respecting republican should seperate themselves from the creationist Tea Party nutjobs.  We have common ground, there are just enough retards on each side to make it difficult to reach it.

lewy14's picture

That's your brain-stem talking, not your cortex. Jonesin' after it's next little self-agrandizing dopamine hit. You have no idea how the brain works. Sad for a self-professed scientific smart guy.

BKbroiler's picture

You see eager to impress someone with your basic knowledge of brain function.  Best of luck with that.  In the meantime, make your point. "You have no idea how the brain works" lol, send me your dissertation and I'll check the grammar.

S5936's picture

2 words for you ... FUCK OFF !! Go hang yourself with a dog leash ...jackass

GMadScientist's picture

Ah...look who sister-momma let out the pen a'gin!

mofreedom's picture

Stress on a woman can kill the child like stress can kill any of us or make us more susceptible to illness all without a beautiful leeching cherub sucking the nutfients from our very selves.  I quit!

Axenolith's picture

If you don't believe that the planet is getting warmer, whether naturally or man-made, you're stupid.

 Dude, I'm a Geologist, IN the environmental/geotechnical industry (20+ years).   That statement is just stupid, It makes as much sense to say it with respect to the time period from January to June (mid-latitude) as it does from 1900 to 2000.

The planet has been MUCH warmer in the past (and it was a riot of biodiversity) and MUCH cooler.  Anthropogenic contributions are negligable.  CO2 levels have been nearly 7 times current levels in the past.  If there's "anything to be done about it" with respect to the miniscule [if any] changes in the last generation or so being extrapolated into the future, it would be to raise flood insurance rates a few percent and quit subsidizing people without it who build where it can potentially flood,  Otherwise, who gives a rats ass?  It's freakin' EARTH, things CHANGE...

Fedaykinx's picture

+1 because i couldn't click the green arrow.  i hope these bastids choke on their climate models.

BKbroiler's picture

"Dude, I'm a geologist"

That is the funniest shit I've ever read.  Congratulations on your degree, burnout. And no, you're not.

Sparkey's picture

Axenolith, observing the World warming changes we can precieve in our life time, is not insanity any more than, looking out the window and remarking, "It is raining", the madness is thinking there is something we can do about it, Carbon Credits = a nice payday for `Someone`.

It must be obvious to many that there is simply no escape, we all must die, individually and collectively, there is no return to some bucolic past from which we may try again, and do it better next time using the knowledge living has imparted upon us!

"OH, if I could only start over", (Knowing what I know now), you can't and as an individual you have less real influence than any individual ever had, "The public media frames the discourse, it is a near impossibility to discuss any subject that hasn't first been introduced, with boundraries of political Correctness drawn, by the corporate Media, the problem with this is, the `Gene pool` of ideas, is too small and inflexible to create the ideas we need to overcome our challenges and continue forward, indeed, the structures which control us are leading us to our demise, just as that which controls the Lemming leads it to it's death in the Sea.

Anusocracy's picture


If you believe in government, you're stupid.

If you don't understand that that the planet has been much warmer and much colder in the past, that that pattern will repeat in the future, and that correlation is not causation, you're stupid.

If you believe women should have children at someone other than the father's expense, you're stupid.

It you believe that any government intervention in the economy is good, you're stupid.

I don't think you are stupid, I'm trying to make a point. Your morality is different.

A question for you: why did the concept of a personal god occur in society?

Tegrat's picture

I recently saw as special on evolution. Bottom line is that evolution is pure faith, even the top "believers" admit there's too many flaws in it to accept  scientifically.  It's actually a joke to think that a rock, lighting, water, and a few other assorted elements could create a working cell. With the protective wall, flagellen for movement, the proper suspension fluid for the mitochondria and or chloroplasts and nebulic (sp?) region amino acids and their rna producers, dna chains necessary to replicate itself,  all completely ready for it's first mitosis.  Anyone with a working ticker who has truely thought about it knows the first cell randomly created is a leap of FAITH, not science - a *giant* leap actually that would lead anyone to believe there must be Intelligent Design.  I'm not even going to touch all the other scientific fallacies associated - the history of it is another angle to cast more doubt.



Dr. Sandi's picture

Good point. Something as complex as a single living cell is very unlikely to come together on its own, even over billions of years of accidents.

So there must have been an intelligent designer, infinitely more advanced than a single living cell, to breathe life into all creation.

And he came from where, again? Oh, yeah, he am that he am, forever and ever.

So maybe some even more infinitely advance being breathed life into him?

Sure, sounds entirely plausible.

I'll buy it all if you throw in a couple of lottery tickets too.

Taint Boil's picture



There are more stars in the universe than grains of sand on earth.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

What I find hilarious is the argument that, because the human mind cannot fully grasp the idea of God, that therefore He doesn't exist.

Your dog doesn't know the first thing about how a car works, but it is not so stupid to think that because of that, the car doesn't exist.


secret_sam's picture

     What I find hilarious is the argument that, because the human mind cannot fully grasp the idea of God, that therefore He doesn't exist.

Where'd you encounter that argument?

Personally, I'm an atheist.  I don't assert that God exists.  Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but it's silly to make any kind of strong claim one way or the other without any evidence for anything.

Many of the Founding Fathers were Deists, which is pretty close to Atheism.  The Deist view is that *something* created the universe, and we can agree to call that something "God," but there's no reason to let anyone's thinking about the word "God" interfere with running a free and fair society. 

That was a pretty mature and sophisticated view of religion and its role in government at the time.  Amazingly, we've gone downhill since then.

To boil it down, it's very simple: the concept that God *must* exist because there are things humans don't understand is just as weak as the view that he *cannot* exist.  Neither assertion is justifiable in any way.

Sparkey's picture

It isn't that God doesn't exist Buckaroo it is that people are incapable of understanding the force they name God, we are like the Dog looking at the car, we know something is there, and we know we like to ride in it, yet our explainations reflect our incompetence to comprehend what we see, so we make up comforting myths to console our selves in our loneliness.

secret_sam's picture

The above view is called "agnostic."

acetinker's picture

Try this Doc:  And I'm not trying to be an ass, but someone shared this with me;  Completely dissassemble your wristwatch, place the parts into a Mason jar and commence shaking it.  How long do you think it will take until the wristwatch is re-assembled and in working order?  Not very likely to ever happen, is it?

Now consider, that all the steps required to make the constituent parts of the watch were already accomplished before you began.  Kinda complex ain't it?  Which is more difficult to produce, a wristwatch or one-celled living organism?

Hope you don't take this wrong, I'm just asking :)

Anusocracy's picture

Or a god that can make wristwatches and universes?

Sparkey's picture

What difference does it make what anyone "Believes", expound a bit on the "Power of Belief", and what it can do for us, and it's effects on that reality which exists outside our own thoughts.

Will I win the Lotto if I believe, with sufficient power, that I will! Should our slogan be; I think I will, therefore I shall!

psychobilly's picture

"Bottom line is that evolution is pure faith, even the top 'believers' admit there's too many flaws in it to accept scientifically."

This is a bald-faced lie.  Pathetic.

"It's actually a joke to think that a rock, lighting, water, and a few other assorted elements could create a working cell blah, blah, blah, blah"

You ignoramus, evolution makes no claims regarding abiogenesis.  This is a non sequitur.  The joke is that you are ignorant of even the most basic definitions.  You literally have no idea what you're babbling about.

LongBallsShortBrains's picture

You sure have a lot of beliefs about what makes people stupid.

Can you answer some for me?

Are you stupid because you haven't made fifty million in the markets?

Are you stupid because you are not in your private jet, hobnobbing with bigwigs?

I'm not very smart, as my handle implies, but I'll try one:

If you think you know what beliefs make somebody smart or stupid, you are a liberal.

You voted for D'won... Right?

I guess you aren't as stupid as your post implies.

Bye the way, there are a lot more people out there who have been taxed enough already. We don't need to be called nut jobs, and have no intention on finding common ground with statist pricks who degrade people's religion, beliefs, and culture to score points with their liberal retard gang of thieves. Fuck off. And spend your own money. You obviously all don't believe in the things that you profess to make one stupid, so why do you need to tax all the stupid people to pay for your enlightened ass???????

ok's picture

Brandon Smith supports Ron Paul. Ron Paul is not the GOP.

Proofreder's picture

So ????  WTF, just tell us what you really mean - don't be shy, ok.  OK?

You're not.

Harbanger's picture

"Junk away, most of you are dumb as a pile of rocks, save RockyRacoon and a couple others."

You can't be too bright to say that while spending your time reading and commenting here?  Common sense? Not.

BKbroiler's picture

look at the archives.  Take a look at the blogspot years on this site and the people who used to comment.  

The intelligent commenters have mostly departed, and I guess since I'm still here arguing with you monkeys, you might as well hand me a banana.

Harbanger's picture

No they havent, what you're seeing is more people becoming awake everyday.  Those who are too stuck in their predetermined beliefs and can't see the truth past the msm propaganda machine, fall by the wayside.

BKbroiler's picture

no, no, no.  What you're seeing is the polarization of the right.  All the smart, reasonable, educated republicans are being crowded out by the fruit loops.  and look where it's gotten you.  You guys friggin nominated Mitt Romney?  Really?  Even I thnk Obama is smug prick, but that's the alternative we're stuck with.