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Guest Post: A Message To The 'Left' From A 'Right Wing Extremist'

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

A Message To The 'Left' From A 'Right Wing Extremist'

Some discoveries are exciting, joyful, and exhilarating, while others can be quite painful.  Stumbling upon the fact that you do not necessarily have a competent grasp of reality, that you have in fact been duped for most of your life, is not a pleasant experience.  While it may be a living nightmare to realize that part of one’s life was, perhaps, wasted on the false ideas of others, enlightenment often requires that the worldview that we were indoctrinated with be completely destroyed before we can finally resurrect a tangible identity and belief system.  To have rebirth, something must first die...

In 2004, I found myself at such a crossroads.  At that time I was a dedicated Democrat, and I thought I had it all figured out.  The Republican Party was to me a perfect sort of monster.  They had everything!  Corporate puppet masters.  Warmongering zealots.  Fake Christians.  Orwellian social policies.  The Bush years were a special kind of horror.  It was cinematic.  Shakespearean.  If I was to tell a story of absolute villainy, I would merely describe the mass insanity and bloodlust days of doom and dread wrought by the Neo-Con ilk in the early years of the new millennium.

But, of course, I was partly naïve...

The campaign rhetoric of John Kerry was eye opening.  I waited, day after day, month after month for my party’s candidate to take a hard stance on the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I waited for a battle cry against the Patriot Act and the unconstitutional intrusions of the Executive Branch into the lives of innocent citizens.  I waited for a clear vision, a spark of wisdom and common sense.  I waited for the whole of the election for that man to finally embrace the feelings of his supporters and say, with absolute resolve, that the broken nation we now lived in would be returned to its original foundations.  That civil liberty, freedom, and peace, would be our standard once again.  Unfortunately, the words never came, and I realized, he had no opposition to the Bush plan.  He was not going to fight against the wars, the revolving door, or the trampling of our freedoms.  Indeed, it seemed as though he had no intention of winning at all.

I came to see a dark side to the Democratic Party that had always been there but which I had refused to acknowledge.  Their leadership was no different than the Neo-Cons that I despised.  On top of this, many supporters of the Democratic establishment had no values, and no principles.  Their only desire was to “win” at any cost.  They would get their "perfect society" at any cost, even if they had to chain us all together to do it. 

There was no doubt in my mind that if the Democrats reoccupied the White House or any other political power structure one day, they would immediately adopt the same exact policies and attitudes of the Neo-Conservatives, and become just as power-mad if not more so.  In 2008 my theory was proven unequivocally correct.

It really is amazing.  I have seen the so-called “anti-war” party become the most accommodating cheerleader of laser guided death and domination in the Middle East, with predator drones operating in the sovereign skies of multiple countries raining missiles upon far more civilians than “enemy combatants”, all at the behest of Barack Obama.  I have seen the “party of civil liberties” expand on every Constitution crushing policy of the Bush Administration, while levying some of the most draconian legislation ever witnessed in the history of this country.  I have seen Obama endorse enemy combatant status for American citizens, and the end of due process under the law through the NDAA.  I have seen him endorse the end of trial by jury.  I have seen him endorse secret assassination lists, and the federally drafted murder of U.S. civilians.  I have seen him endorse executive orders which open the path to the declaration of a “national emergency” at any time for any reason allowing for the dissolution of most constitutional rights and the unleashing of martial law.

If I was still a Democrat today I would be sickly ashamed.  Yet, many average Democrats actually defend this behavior from their party.  The same behavior they once railed against under Bush.

However, I have not come here to admonish Democrats (at least not most of them).  I used to be just like them.  I used to believe in the game.  I believed that the rules mattered, and that it was possible to change things by those rules with patience and effort.  I believed in non-violent resistance, protest, civil dissent, educational activism, etc.  I thought that the courts were an avenue for political justice.  I believed that the only element required to end corruption would be a sound argument and solid logic backed by an emotional appeal to reason.  I believed in the power of elections, and had faith in the idea that all we needed was the “right candidate” to lead us to the promise land.  Again, I believed in the game. 

The problem is, the way the world works and the way we WISH the world worked are not always congruent.  Attempting to renovate a criminal system while acting within the rigged confines of that system is futile, not to mention delusional.  Corrupt oligarchies adhere to the standards of civility only as long as they feel the need to maintain the illusion of the moral high ground.  Once they have enough control, the mask always comes off, the rotten core is revealed, and immediate violence against dissent commences. 

Sometimes the only solutions left in the face of tyranny are not peaceful.  Logic, reason, and justice are not revered in a legal system which serves the will of the power elite instead of the common man.  The most beautiful of arguments are but meaningless flitters of hot air in the ears of sociopaths.  Sometimes, the bully just needs to be punched in the teeth.

This philosophy of independent action is consistently demonized, regardless of how practical it really is when faced with the facts.  The usual responses to the concept of full defiance are accusations of extremism and malicious intent.  Believe me, when I embarked on the path towards the truth in 2004, I never thought I would one day be called a potential “homegrown terrorist”, but that is essentially where we are in America in 2013.  To step outside the mainstream and question the validity of the game is akin to terrorism in the eyes of the state and the sad cowardly people who feed the machine. 

During the rise of any despotic governmental structure, there is always a section of the population that is given special treatment, and made to feel as though they are “on the winning team”.  For now, it would appear that the “Left” side of the political spectrum has been chosen by the establishment as the favored sons and daughters of the restructured centralized U.S.  However, before those of you on the Left get too comfortable in your new position as the hand of globalization, I would like to appeal to you for a moment of unbiased consideration.  I know from personal experience that there are Democrats out there who are actually far more like we constitutionalists and “right wing extremists” than they may realize.  I ask that you take the following points into account, regardless of what the system decides to label us...

We Are Being Divided By False Party Paradigms

Many Democrats and Republicans are not stupid, and want above all else to see the tenets of freedom respected and protected.  Unfortunately, they also tend to believe that only their particular political party is the true defender of liberty.  The bottom line is, at the top of each party there is very little if any discernible difference between the two.   If you ignore all the rhetoric and only look at action, the Republican and Democratic leadership are essentially the same animal working for the same special interests.  There is no left and right; only those who wish to be free, and those who wish to control.

Last year, the “Left and the “Right” experienced an incredible moment of unity after the introduction of the NDAA.  People on both sides were able to see the terrifying implications of a law that allows the government to treat any American civilian as an enemy of war without right to trial.  In 2013, the establishment is attempting to divide us once again with the issue of gun disarmament.  I have already presented my position on gun rights in numerous other articles and I believe my stance is unshakeable.  But, what I will ask anti-gun proponents and on-the-fence Democrats is this:  How do you think legislation like the NDAA will be enforced in the future?  Is it not far easier to threaten Americans with rendition, torture, and assassination when they are completely unarmed?  If you oppose the NDAA, you should also oppose any measure which gives teeth to the NDAA, including the debasement of the 2nd Amendment.

Democrats Are Looking For Help In The Wrong Place

Strangely, Democrats very often search for redress within the very system they know is criminal.  For some reason, they think that if they bash their heads into the wall long enough, a door will suddenly appear.  I’m here to tell you, there is no door. 

The biggest difference between progressives and conservatives is that progressives consistently look to government to solve all the troubles of the world, when government is usually the CAUSE of all the troubles in the world.  The most common Democratic argument is that in America the government “is what we make it”, and we can change it anytime we like through the election process.  Maybe this was true at one time, but not anymore.  Just look at Barack Obama!  I would ask all those on the Left to take an honest look at the policies of Obama compared to the policies of most Neo-Cons, especially when it comes to constitutional liberties.  Where is the end to Middle Eastern war?  Where is the end to domestic spy programs?  Where is the end to incessant and dictatorial executive orders?  Where is the conflict between the Neo-Cons and the Neo-Liberals?  And, before you point at the gun control debate, I suggest you look at Obama’s gun policies compared to Mitt Romney’s and John McCain’s – there is almost no difference whatsoever…

If the two party system becomes a one party system, then elections are meaningless, and electing a new set of corrupt politicians will not help us.

Democrats Value Social Units When They Should Value Individuals Instead

Democrats tend to see everything in terms of groups.  Victim status groups, religious groups, racial groups, special interest groups, etc.  They want to focus on the health of the whole world as if it is a single entity.  It is not.  Without individuals, there is no such thing as “groups”, and what we might categorize as groups change and disperse without notice.  Groups do not exist beyond shared values, and even then, the individual is still more important in the grand scheme of things. 

As a former Democrat, I know that the obsession with group status makes it easy to fall into the trap of collectivism.  It is easy to think that what is best for you must be best for everybody.  This Utopian idealism is incredibly fallible.  Wanting the best for everyone is a noble sentiment, but using government as a weapon to force your particular vision of the “greater good” on others leads to nothing but disaster.  The only safe and reasonable course is to allow individuals to choose for themselves how they will function in society IF they choose to participate at all.  Government must be left out of the equation as much as possible.  Its primary job should be to safeguard the individual’s right to choose how he will live.  You have to get over the fact that there is no such thing as a perfect social order, and even if there was, no government is capable of making it happen for you.   

Democrats Can Become As Power-Mad As Any Neo-Con

I think it is important to point out how quickly most Democratic values went out the door as soon as Barack Obama was placed in the White House.  Let’s be clear; you cannot claim to be anti-war, anti-torture, anti-assassination, anti-surveillance, anti-corporate, anti-bank, anti-rendition, etc. while defending the policies of Obama at the same time.  This is hypocrisy. 

I have heard some insane arguments from left leaning proponents lately.  Some admit that Obama does indeed murder and torture, but “at least he is pushing for universal health care…”.  Even if it did work (which it won’t), is Obamacare really worth having a president who is willing to murder children on the other side of the world and black-bag citizens here at home?  Do not forget your moral compass just because you think the system is now your personal playground.  If you do, you are no better than all the angry bloodcrazed Republicans that bumbled into the Iraq War while blindly following George W. Bush. 

There Is A Difference Between Traditional Conservatives And Neo-Cons

Neo-Cons are not conservative.  They are in fact socialist in their methods, and they always expand government spending and power while reducing constitutional protections.  The “Liberty Movement”, of which I am proudly a part, is traditional conservative.  We believe that government, especially as corrupt as it is today, cannot be trusted to administrate and nursemaid over every individual in our nation.  It has proven time after time that it caters only to criminally inclined circles of elites.  Therefore, we seek to reduce the size and influence of government so that we can minimize the damage that it is doing.  For this, we are called “extremists”. 

Governments are not omnipotent.  They are not above criticism, or even punishment.  They are merely a collection of individuals who act either with honor or dishonor.  In the Liberty Movement, we treat a corrupt government just as we would treat a corrupt individual.  We do not worship the image of the state, nor should any Democrat.

Liberty Minded Conservatives Are Not “Terrorists”

There will come a time, very soon I believe, when people like me are officially labeled “terrorists”.  Perhaps because we refuse gun registration or confiscation.  Perhaps because we develop alternative trade markets outside the system.  Maybe because some of us are targeted by federal raids, and we fight back instead of submitting.  Maybe because we speak out against the establishment during a time of “declared crisis”, and speech critical of the government is labeled “harmful to the public good”.  One way or another, whether you want to believe me now or not, the day is coming. 

Before this occurs, and the mainstream media attacks us viciously as “conspiracy theorists” and traitors, I want the Left to understand that no matter what you may hear about us, our only purpose is to ensure that our natural rights are not violated, our country is not decimated, and our republic is governed with full transparency.  We are not the dumb redneck racist hillbilly gun nuts you see in every primetime TV show, and anyone who acts out of personal bias and disdain for their fellow man is not someone we seek to associate with.  We fight because we have no other choice.  Our conscience demands that we oppose centralized tyranny.  We do what we do because the only other option is subservience and slavery.   

Many of the people I have dealt with in the Liberty Movement are the most intelligent, well-informed, principled and dedicated men and women I have ever met.  They want, basically, what most of us want:

  • to be free to determine their own destinies.
  • To be free to speak their minds without threat of state retribution.
  • To be free to defend themselves from any enemy that would seek to oppress them.
  • To live within an economic environment that is not rigged in favor of elitist minorities and on the verge of engineered collapse.
  • To live in a system that respects justice and legitimate law instead of using the law as a sword against the public.
  • To wake up each day with solace in the knowledge that while life in many regards will always be a difficult thing, we still have the means to make it better for ourselves and for the next generation.
  • To wake up knowing that those inner elements of the human heart which make us most unique and most endearing are no longer considered “aberrant”, and are no longer under threat.

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Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:28 | 3160418 stopcpdotcom
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Communitarianism, old loves. Communitarianism.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:29 | 3160420 The Alarmist
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Clearly a subversive. Off to Gitmo for re-education.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:30 | 3160423 Dr Benway
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But it's all in the interpretation, all in the implementation, and mottos matters not.


Let's be specific. Are all your freedom loving Liberty people 100% united in decriminalizing all drugs and ending the War on Drugs? This is half of all 'crime'.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:00 | 3160536 A Lunatic
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In my opinion all people should be able to do whatever they wish to do up to the point of infringing on the Liberty of another. I do not believe the State should be able to pose as the victim in a court of Law.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:49 | 3160701 TrustWho
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Fuck, look what happened to smokers.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:58 | 3160952 groundedkiwi
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Fast food eaters next. Tax and more tax.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 04:11 | 3161472 Freddie
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They will protect McDonalds and Pepsico because they are big O supporters as is Buffett's Coca Cola.  McD's food is absolute garbage with mystery ingredients.  Total trash.  Chick Filet's food quality is light years better.Chipolte is more McDonalds garbage and Taco Bell spin off of PepsiCo.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:02 | 3160541 nmewn
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Yes, lets do be specific.

Are all you lying "progressive" sycophantic Obamabots happy with ObamaCare now that its almost entirely implemented? Have your premiums gone down? Did it cut the deficit as promised, create 400,000 jobs? Did it insure those 30-40 million who didn't have it or want it...and if so, at what price? Fucking around with the NINETY PERCENT who have it and were only complaining about the mere 3-5% per annum rises NOT 30-40% rises in premium?

Should I bother to mention "shovel ready jobs" which was nothing but tenure insurance for "professors" who couldn't get a gig reading poetry in a coffee house, bloated local government and "greeeeen energy" give aways to Obama cronies.

What about Dodd-Frank?...two of the sleaziest SOB's to ever "grace" the halls of federal power...are the Wall Street banks now better constrained?

And lastly, what is this ghoulish thing of playing on the peoples emotions that "progressives" love to do? If we libertarians/conservatives all had our children write sad tales of impending economic doom for their futures, would the president use them as props to call for less spending to save them...or more?

Be specific.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:20 | 3160597 Dr Benway
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LOL wut? You think I'm for Obama? Hahaha if you only knew how much I hate him. Isn't this the false dichotomy that the article warned against? Both sides are FAKE.

For the record, I don't subscribe to ANY label, there is no -ism that can describe my politics and quite frankly I despise those that can be described by an -ism.

I do want a truly free society, where MERIT determines how well you do and not your birth, and I don't think the feudal society you envision realistically provides true freedom.

So let's be specific. Basic education and healthcare CAN be provided by society, and does lead to overall more freedom. It's just your crappy fucking implementation of it.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:53 | 3160723 nmewn
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You started with...

"Let's be specific. Are all your freedom loving Liberty people 100% united in decriminalizing all drugs and ending the War on Drugs?"

If you do not understand the Liberty Movement (which is what he's talking about) maybe you should read up on it before (what I took as your derision of it) commenting on it.

I do subscribe to labels. And ism's.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:27 | 3160867 Dr Benway
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Maybe I should have articulated myself more clearly. My comment was to imply that everyone's definition of what freedom means differs, as well as how best to implement said vision of freedom. So saying "I am for freedom" carries little actual informational value.

As an example, I brought up the WOD issue, as I find it ludicrous that people ostensibly for freedom can support the WOD. I actually have discussed this quite a bit with people that self-identify as part of the Liberty movement and libertarian leaning conservatives. I generally find their responses on this issue disappointing (as in I would like a stronger stance against the mindless WOD).

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:09 | 3160988 nmewn
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You don't have the freedom to shoot up heroin in my hedges, puke all over my lawn, show your erection to my daughter and pass out on my front porch, if thats what you mean.

There are sinkholes around here, you could have an unfortunate accident in that state ;-)

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:37 | 3161317 Fedaykinx
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mm how visceral.  i'm starting to like you, pal.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:05 | 3161253 Teamtc321
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Well, liberty minded people usually find Obamarats responses on issues disappointing. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:01 | 3160764 Freddie
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I get what this liberal Brandon was saying BUT why does the left always attack The Constitution?  Why? 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:59 | 3160958 nmewn
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Therein lies the rub...why?

Its an answer to the question itself isn't it ;-)

Properly defined, a liberal is you and I.

It wasn't liberals who passd the largest tax increase in American history, are constantly on the gun-grab band wagon, are promoting crony capitalism (pseudo-fascism really) through green energy subsidation, the indoctrination of our children in government schools (Seig fucking Heil), endless entitlement printing for the "good of all society" even as it destroys society itself.

Its fucking leftists/socialists/ is...what I have always called in quotation marks "progressives"...who are not very liberal at all when it comes right down to it.

They are very much government bureaucracy orientated...trusting that it knows better how to organize their lives...never too much regulation, never too many things to be banned, never enough laws to be passed, never enough trembling hands, quivering lips or twitching eyes to comfort.

At the end of it, they are sheep who will be slaughtered or sold by their masters while those lone silhouettes on the hill (us) looking down on them, will not lift a finger to stop least I won't.

They asked for it, begged for it, deserve it.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:24 | 3161032 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, and yes.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:10 | 3161267 Teamtc321
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Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:32 | 3161052 ZeroAvatar
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Oh, the photo-ops are well-scripted:


Little blonde-haired, blue-eyed girls everywhere you look.  Little angels.  (When they want to pull at your emotions)


Otherwise, it's nothing but mullatos and mexicans in your face 24/7/365 (To program your 'worldview')

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:49 | 3161091 nmewn
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In Chicago, the body count of Newtown pales in comparison. The MSM will not admit to this because Chicago has strict gun control.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:55 | 3160730 pods
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But then the CIA would go broke.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:30 | 3160428 hooligan2009
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So, in a nutshell, politics sucks and all polticians lie, cheat and steal because they have no idea how to pay for the crap they come up with?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:53 | 3160942 BooMushroom
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Yes, and therefore as citizens and free men, we must [fill in this blank yourself]

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:39 | 3161070 ZeroAvatar
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[go home and cry to mommy?]

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:12 | 3160997 dizzyfingers
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, because they are sociopaths!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They have no conscience. Can't you tell?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:31 | 3160433 BeagleOne
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Another BS article. Are you moving from MT to N. ID?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:32 | 3160438 Quinvarius
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The latest failed gun grab, on top of all the other bullshit of the decade, might be declaration of war that cannot be taken back.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:45 | 3160684 Bollixed
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Here's one way among several to make your voice heard over this gun grabbing nonsense...


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:05 | 3160776 Freddie
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The Gun Grab is a coverup for Benghzai Gate like Fast and Furious.   I think CT may have been a false flag to start the gun grba.

He could EASILY be impeached for Fast and Furious and Benghazi Gate if Congress and SCOTUS had some balls.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:33 | 3160439 Acet
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If you think that the Democratic Party is Left, you have no idea what you're talking about.

If you want to know what left-wing policies - the modern socialism - are, look at Scandinavia.

And please don't confuse Modern Socialism (which is mostly about equality of opportunities and a social safety-net) with what the likes of the Soviet Union called Communism. It's pretty obvious around here that lots of Americans have been brainwashed into going into irrational raving fits and start seing red all over at the mere mention of the word "socialism", but please try and keep your frontal cortex engaged.

In the eyes of almost anybody else in the World, the US is little more that a Corporatist Dictatorship with the fake trappings of Democracy, and neither the blue-team nor the red-team are left-wing in any way form or shape (neither are they right-wing, by the way).


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:13 | 3160566 CH1
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You evaded the point very well!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:39 | 3160655 secret_sam
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Can you summarize "the point" for the benefit of those of us who lack your laser-like focus?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:42 | 3160669 GetZeeGold
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Only if it's in his talking points.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:14 | 3160815 yakmerchant
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You can call it "modern" if you want it still is a road to disaster. When you punish hard work and disincentivize production it will end poorly regardless of how enlightened you think you are. And things aren't so damn rosy in parts of Scandinavia. Every d-bag professor in America told us how Sweden was the shining example of how well Socialism works. Well I have news for you it is going to hell in a hand basket. Sure the experiment will continue on and due to the ratio of natural resources to population and the fact they haven't been stupid enough to join the Euro currency as of yet, it might make it farther than most, but I promise you they will "run out of other people’s money" at some point. Now I might admit the fate of the Swedish people might be slightly different than the American's in the end but failure is failure and will not be enjoyable for anyone.

I'm an American, born and raised, but my mother was born in Sweden and moved back there about 10 years ago, While some of what I've seen and heard visiting her and relatives will be dismissed as anecdotal, but I've seen enough to know the magical utopia is going to turn into Sharia shithole soon enough. The older generation(s) is well educated, hard working, and what made Sweden become what it is from the 50's to the 70's. But the younger generation has the same brainwashing and entitlement issues as America. Throw in a easy to exploit welfare system, serious immigration issues due to the "asylum" laws, and some crazy gender nihilism and you are going to see Sweden start to have serious problems in the next ten years.

The criminal system isn't currently set up to deal with the violence being imported with the immigrants, and the politicians have turned "tolerance" into a screwed up set of laws that allow violence and  is increasing racism at an alarming rate. I've been subject to serious aggression from a group of immigrant thugs in a small town in Sweden just for walking down the street. Even though the immigrant population is only 5% they have no fear of the police or retribution for their actions. They openly threaten the Swedes and commit acts of violence. If you look into Sweden's rape rate you will see things are coming unglued. I wasn't anywhere near a big city and it was bad. Malmo is apparently a whole different ball of wax.  

And while I don't want to turn this into an essay on immigration laws, as that wasn't the topic. I can tell you that socialism "modern" or not, may be of a genuine desire to build a egalitarian society (i.e. Sweden) or just a front to get a dependent class of Sheeple to do the bidding of the elitists (America), in either case it will eventually fail. Once you reward people for complacency and incentivize actions that aren't financially sound (i.e. single mom baby factories in Sweden), and disincentize hard work and risk taking eventually the society will normalize that in the culture and from there the math just stops working. You can legislate and regulate your social utopia all you want, but human nature will eventually undermine and corrupt any attempts in the long run. The problem isn't that socialism "was/is being tried", it is the fact that once the math starts going bad the state starts to go through its death throes and squanders the resources of the people trying to stay alive.  From there history tells us things almost always devolve into tyranny.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:28 | 3161040 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

Excellent reporting, I only knew a little of Sweden's problems.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:56 | 3161112 Proofreder
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IIRC, Sweden did not bail out the banksters 1n 2008 and are the better for it today.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 03:47 | 3161454 Acet
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You make a good point.

I've seen the same kind of clash between imigration from intolerant countries and a local tolerant society in Holland (not quite Scandinavia, but close) where I used to live.

The kind of open door immigration policies that cause those problems are not socialist, quite the contrary: allowing cheap immigramts in is a way to increase competition for jobs which lowers the average salaries and thus lowers manpower costs for companies. As far as I can tell, it doesn't do anything positive for the majority of people in that society.

Don't remember ever hearing of "single mom baby factories" in Holland in the more than 8 years I lived there (and I do speak the language).


Thu, 01/17/2013 - 04:09 | 3161469 Ghordius
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"...the younger generation has the same brainwashing and entitlement issues as America. Throw in a easy to exploit welfare system, serious immigration issues due to the "asylum" laws, and some crazy gender nihilism"

+1 the "crazy gender nihilism" is very visible in this "third wave" feminism that is spreading all over Scandinavia, the UK and the US. Just note how divorce laws changed over time, and where

the immigration issues are very local, but yes, Malmö is going to be a very "interesting" place for a while. Nevertheless the Swedes still think they can integrate and point to Switzerland as an example

"they haven't been stupid enough to join the Euro currency as of yet" - well, they don't need to join the EUR because the EUR is there to anchor their currency, if necessary, in the same way as Denmark and Switzerland are already doing

what if the EUR would not be there? the next anchor would be... the USD

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:33 | 3160440 rlouis
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Some great dialog from the 2009 movie The International:

jr. DA:  "It's the truth Arnie!"

DA "The truth? Let me tell you, there's what people want to hear, then what they want to believe, then everything else and then there's the truth."

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:37 | 3160456 secret_sam
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The truth is what you KNOW.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:01 | 3160966 Acidtest Dummy
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Truth is what is left after all else has dropped away.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:42 | 3160475 otto skorzeny
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great movie. Clive Owen plays a perfect world-weary Everyman in all of his films.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:48 | 3160502 Westcoastliberal
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If you like Clive as I do then be sure to see "I'll sleep when I'm dead" one of his early ones.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:59 | 3161119 Proofreder
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Waren Zevon said it best:

rock 'n roll ...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:35 | 3160441 secret_sam
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    Governments are not omnipotent.

In fact, once you get your head 'round the idea, you see pretty quickly that the wealthier the populace is, the more IMPOTENT the government is.

I don't see much point in wasting all that air lambasting "the Democrats" and "the Left" and "the Progressives" if you're not really pretty dedicated to your system of labels.

Free yer mind, Brandon.  Far more of us are "on your side" than you may realize.  Embrace the common interests of your neighbors and turn off the teevee-- forget whatever it is those assholes are talking about.  If it was *important,* it wouldn't be broadcast in the first place.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:35 | 3160445 lolmao500
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Both sides are control freaks.

One wants to control your life for your own good while the other wants to control your life so it doesn't offend them.

Both sides need a bullet in the head.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:00 | 3160533 Beam Me Up Scotty
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So true LOLMAO, if these people would just butt the fuck out of other people's lives, we would all be better off. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:08 | 3160789 Freddie
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Why do leftist pols and leftist voters hate The Constitution?

The fake right politicians could care less. A few REepubs are pro Constiution and most conservative voters are pro Constitution

Also name the Dem Ron and Rand Paul and Jim DeMint. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:35 | 3161060 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ah, Freddie, so easy...  


Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Dick Durban, Joe Biden, Janet Napolitano, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Jerry Brown, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Bill Nelson (Fla), Carl Levin, etc.

Pauses for breath...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:35 | 3160447 samsara
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I print articles like these and leave them anonymously in Starbucks,  Restaurants, etc.  

While having lunch one day in a restuarant I frequent,  A girl that usually waits on me said "What you reading today???  Could you leave it?  You always have such interesting articles"

You never know who you may awaken.

Send this one to your people you know.  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:40 | 3160903 groundedkiwi
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Samsara, do you print the comments as well?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:21 | 3160448 Yen Cross
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 Ben Franklin   The preface of polarity from a genius.

  The fucker flew a kite you assholes! (fUCK ME FOR HISTORY)! fUCKERS!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:42 | 3160479 Tsar Pointless
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I go on HuffPo each day, and comment on stories regarding drones and other "national security" stories. I love to tell those Obamapologists exactly how much they remind me of Bushitters from 10 years ago.

They were never really against wars - they just were against sending real-life humans into "harm's way", when all you needed was a nice drone being operated anonymously from 1000s of miles away.

The "left"? There hasn't been a true "left" in America since the 1960s. The fascists took care of them quite nicely.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:50 | 3160705 djsmps
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It's the Obamington Post. Extend Bush Tax cuts? He had no choice. NDAA? He didn't have the votes to support a veto. Patriot Act extension? He's privy to information we don't have. Drone warfare? It's better than our warriors being killed and it''s targeted so civilians aren't hurt. FISA and warrant less wiretapping? If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear. No diversity in the new cabinet? He's choosing the most qualified.

I am appalled by it. It is the pro-war Obama-worship group. Obamamites.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:51 | 3161099 joego1
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Yeah I spar with those sheeple too.My thinking has been that I can get the idea that the only diff  between repubs and dems is where the graft goes. I think sometimes I'm making progress and then the central authority throws in gun control or some other divisive issue and they run back into the sheepdog formation.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:43 | 3160482 Westcoastliberal
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Brandon you're right.  We're living in a post-left vs right, post democracy world which we know in our hearts is un-correctible from within. No hope, no change, no Obama. And we all know Romney didn't have a chance, the fix was in and TPTB knew the results before the "election".

Whomever is really behind our "placeholder" leaders sure must be getting scared of the people as we awaken from the awful aftermath of 911 to realize we were totally lied to.  And with that knowledge the mind considers what else people with no regard for Human life might do, simply to shake us down more and cement their power.  Can't have too many "liberty-seekers" running around though, which is why they want our guns and the ability to disappear us without a whimper (the which they already have with Patriot & NDAA).

We live in dangerous and pivotal times.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:43 | 3160909 A Lunatic
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It's the classic (it seems no one ever gets tired of this one) case of war between the haves and the have nots; as in you either serve the "master" and have freedom or you don't and, well....... don't.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:48 | 3160498 stiler
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I used to be a Rep. We need to see that "politics" itself is a ruse from the movements of the 20th c. It really has a basis in Communism. I say lets do away with politics and politicians, the Federal Gov't itself need not exist but as a mere shadow of its former self. States rights!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:50 | 3160506 Tsar Pointless
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"It really has a basis in Communism."

Bzzt! Wrong answer.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:57 | 3160527 stiler
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what's your right answer, no left. No right.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:52 | 3160513 XtraBullish
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Amazing how Ayn Rand predicted it...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:57 | 3160525 itstippy
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I'm old enough to remember when the radical liberal-left Democrat hippies were railing against the U.S. Government spying on its own citizens, trying to uncover "communist sympathizers" in the anti-war movement.

The far-right "America, Love It Or Leave It" Republican crowd applauded the Government spying, claiming that if you had nothing to hide you had nothing to fear.

Today the Democrat liberals have no problem with Big Government monitoring everyone and everything.  Tea Party Republicans are dismayed at Government surveilance of U.S. Citizens.

The respective parties' platforms sure do roll with the times, don't they?


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:00 | 3160535 Theos
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To me, the the fundamental metric of any government action is whether it is centralizing or decentralizing. Either you want to consolidate power to your friends at DC, or allow the people to self govern. 


My anecdote for this is the great irony when dealing with technologically savvy man-babies (programmers, admins, IT, etc) who almost universally think the government would solve all the problems of the world if they just had the power to do so. They spend their day building highly decentralized systems designed to be robust, high performing and efficient, yet they want their life to be ruled by king ding dong in his palace and a few hundred pawns down the street.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 05:19 | 3161515 nc551
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Most good programmers I know are very liberty minded because they are good at logic.  The few who aren't liberty minded are all cogs in the massive and super bureaucratic fortune 100 companies and tote the culture or else.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:01 | 3160538 Mark123
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Great article...I will keep this one and circulate.  Most people I know would brand the author an extremist....fools.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:08 | 3160554 shinyindallas
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The "Liberty Movement" is a rebranding / splinter of the Tea Party. I'm sorry, but the new tea party is as appealing as the old tea party. An aspect of the tea party that might interest the zerohedge crowd is the problems they had with money. Unlike the repubs or dems, they had no centralized accounting and many local groups couldn't figure out what happened with their donations, neither could that mean old repressive IRS.

The bottom line is if you want a voice you either have to be very wealthy and willing to donate, or run for office on a platform that can get you elected. Founding and donating to a fringe group is only going to make you poor and frustrated.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:11 | 3160563 Mark123
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Stupid comment...what is your point? 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:14 | 3160575 IridiumRebel
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go masturbate then

It's healthy, proactive and worth much more than this shitty comment.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:26 | 3161301 Teamtc321
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Wait.....we need to ban masturbation, he may shoot his eye out. We need to pass expansive regulation with oversight from the CDC to prevent premature ejaculation into the Obamarats eye.

If we just save one persons eye, we shall put the full wieght of the office behind the jacking off ban.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:49 | 3160616 Turin Turambar
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You truly are clueless.  The Tea Party was a groundswell of everyday people from all walks of life and political affilitations who, in their gut, knew that things were spinning out of control.  What they want are answers to their questions, and the Liberty movement has them - LIBERTY.  Yes, the Republican establishment has tried to co-op the Tea Party with its rhetoric, but what is really needed in this country is an intellectual reawakening as to the true meaning of Liberty.  Once one has his eyes opened by the truth, the lies and propaganda from the Rs and Ds will fall to the wayside like the unintelligible drivel that it is.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:08 | 3160555 koaj
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the crash in 07-08 woke me. i found ron pauls TP rally in dec 07. i found tom woods soon after, then rothbard, then hayek, then bastiat, then schiff, then ZH, then walter block, then lew rockwell

our numbers are infinite compared to what they were 5-6 years ago when i was waking up.

there are many days i wish i was ignorant about blowback, fiat currency, petrodollars, and other things that most of the gen pop believes to be true. i hate that i dont believe anything anymore. what choice did i have? either wake and fight for my kids or tell them "daddy chose to remain indifferent and stupid"

keep fighting. liberty is local

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:19 | 3160594 Mark123
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If the concept of liberty really starts to take hold I expect that the "elite" will crush the internet.  There is a need for another way to communicate freely that does not have a kill switch.


The pen is mightier than the sword.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:40 | 3160902 XitSam
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It is all about control. They will pull the kill switch only as a last resort. Until then they will spread their propoganda and suppress opposing voices by any means necessary.

Got a shortwave transciever?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:01 | 3161128 ZeroAvatar
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Both EXCELLENT comments.....the subject of communication, without the web, is a difficult one. Shortwave, eh?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:21 | 3160601 Turin Turambar
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Bastiat first for me, then Austrian Economics as I was trying to get a handle on what was going on in the economy.  Economic Freedom = Personal Freedom.  From Mises to Rothbard in AE to Rothbard in For a New Liberty, The Ethics of Liberty, Anatomy of the State, The Transformation of the American Right, etc...  Lysander Spooner, and even a dose of H.L. Mencken.

IMO, the only logical conclusion is the elimination of the state - AnCap for me all the way.  I HATE THE STATE.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:03 | 3160775 proLiberty
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von Mises in Human Action proved that the basis for the economy is free exchange, which by definition is voluntary and peaceful.  All other forms of exchange reduce or destroy the wealth of one or all participants in the exchange.  This brings the reader head to head with the very firm fact that unless one wants to make their way in life employing theft, coercion and violence, then people must be free in their personal lives to live as they please.  So, in a very fundamental way a fully functioning economy only is possible where people have personal freedom and economic freedom.  The two concepts are the different sides of the same liberty-oriented coin.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:13 | 3160567 Your Creator
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The founding fathers are all right wing extremists to the socialists and commies.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:17 | 3160579 Turin Turambar
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Actually, the majority of the founding fathers were classical liberals in the laissez-faire tradition - the VERY FAR LEFT, as in Bastiat!


For a very insightful read on the transformation of the American Right, I highly recommend Rothbard's, The Transformation of the American Right.


Here's a link to the free pdf version of the book:

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:18 | 3160593 ebworthen
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"Sometimes, the bully just needs to be punched in the teeth."

Yes, and this is why there is a current war against assault rifles and high-capacity magazines; the bully (left and right) does not want a fair fight.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:03 | 3160709 A Lunatic
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The whole problem (besides the legality of it) with the idea of banning these things is there are tens of millions of "assault rifles" in circulation and literally hundreds of millions of standard capacity magazines. They are not "high"capacity magazines, they are standard capacity, they come standard with the gun. In order for the kid killer to have put ten or eleven rounds into the body of each child (according to autopsy reports) he would have had to make a magazine change more than six times (assuming the use of 30 rnd mags). A magazine change takes about .5 seconds during deliberate aimed fire, therefore under the new "law" an additional seventeen seconds would have been necessary for the same shooter to produce the same tragic results. 

FBI reports from 2005 to 2011, show the number of murders by hammers and clubs consistently exceeds the number of murders committed with a rifle; that's any rifle, not just so called "assault" rifles.

Up until the gun control act of '68 you could literally mail order a Solothurn Cannon and all of the ammo you could afford and have it delivered to your door; so the case that the 2nd amendment does not apply to military style weaponry is an outright lie.........I could go on but I think I'm really preaching to the choir here..............

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:03 | 3160771 ebworthen
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Good points.

I had a thought today about Lizzy Borden; how many did she kill how quickly with an axe?

If this were about the safety of our children that asshole lying sack of shit fascist Obama would tell the FED to cut the fuck out buying $80 billion a month on Mortgage Backed Securities and spend it on armed guards (police) for EVERYONE'S KIDS, not just his own.

But, this isn't about the safety of our children, is it?

Despite his parading and whoring out those poor deluded children in front of the camera's today for his own agaenda.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:58 | 3160954 A Lunatic
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It was the standard 'appeal to emotion' strategy that has been used so successfully in the past at transferring the blame, guilt, and subsequent punishment for a heinous act to the innocent masses of the nation and promote a preexisting agenda with impunity. I refuse to accept responsibility for the actions of another and absolutely refuse to comply with any measure(s) which further restricts my right to Life and Liberty under the guise of security. Did the State pass a corresponding measure to allow me to sue them for non performance of duty when they fail to protect me or mine from bodily injury or harm? The answer is a resounding Hell No...........

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:36 | 3160619 newengland
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I see the latest propaganda sheet is the front page of 'Time' magazine, with a picture of Biden, Bloomberg and Gifford with the title 'Gun Fighters', like they are an heroic trio, instead of new faces for old Nazi fascism. Remember: the Nazis disarmed the people before slaugtering the jews, socialists, communists...then christians and foreigners...anyone who questioned Hitler and his big bank backers in Europe, UK and the U.S.

 These 'gun fighters' wage endless war abroad, allow rampant drugs at home, both legal and illegal. Gun crime has risen with drug use, both legal and illegal.

Most gun owners are law abiding, taxpaying, hardworking citizens.

These hypocritical 'gun fighters' enjoy armed guards for themselves and their families, with Obama only this past week giving all of Congress lifelong armed guards.
These 'gun fighters' are behaving like fascists: taking eveything from everyone, and shamelessly saying it is for the good of 'everyone', while facts state otherwise.

Everywhere and in every time, fascists disarm the people before enslaving and abusing them, leaving them defenceless. Hitler did that. So did Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Mussoline...and Blair in Britain.

Beware of the new world order Trilateral Commission pets in CONgress who gift themselves every right and protection...and train their guns on the citizens who pay for them.


If you ever wondered why the Nazis and fascists gained control, then you are witnessing how they did it - little by little, with no great one shock, but small moves wrapped in nicey words, whereby they could label any dissent as 'extremist', and charm the people into submission.

See how the USA is moving toward fascism and the Nazis agenda, here:

Remember that Mr Mayer was an American of jewish descent who interviewed ordinary Germans about their personal experience, how they witnessed creeping fascism, and voted for it - without realising how  it would lead to their enslavement, and world war.

The House slave is no better than the field slave at the end of the day.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:05 | 3160779 ebworthen
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The Nazi's used IBM machinery to help track down Jews, and anyone who owned a firearm.

How would the populace resist the new leader if they had no guns?  They couldn't, which is why it was one of the first things Hitler and the Nazi's did, confiscate privately held firearms.

Are you listening - oh defenders of the Constitution?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:12 | 3161157 ZeroAvatar
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Whoa, it just hit me....lifelong armed guards for congress?  Why?  Is he expecting something?  Hitler had nothing on this guy.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:27 | 3160621 Flakmeister
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I thought there was no difference between the two....

Tyler, 15 yds for excessive throwing of red meat....

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:29 | 3160630 notadouche
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To be fair I heard many liberals shouting to the mountain tops about the Patriot Act and acted as though they were afraid to say things in emails to me becasue "big brother" was listening.  Funny thing happened when Obama took power.  The Patriot Act no longer bothered them or the NY Times for that matter.  For some reason they no longer fear the PA even though their boy made the thing stronger and more onerous and infringe on privacy and liberty more than the original PA did.  Now it's no big deal.  When the pendulum swings back to someone from the right taking power, and don't kid yourself it will swing back at some point, it will be too late to cry about it as it has been forever embedded into the system.  You give this much power to the president, you can't then cry about those same powers when a guy that you oppose politically uses those same powers, only this time it against you.  And lets face it no president passes executive orders to weaken his hand.   We are now closer to being ruled by one man, a king of sorts since George Washington and FDR.  Washington was adamant about not keeping power under the fear that someone would turn it in to a king.  FDR didn't care so much because it was good to be the king and he had never suffered under the system of a single ruler having that much power.  Washington on the other hand stepped down when he could have easily garnered the votes.  

Good luck with the fellow who takes power next.  Let's just hope it's not Obama.  Not because I oppose him per say but because that will mean we are totally fucked as a nation and the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence will have been burned in the process. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:34 | 3160640 Yen Cross
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  Guest Post: Mike Bloomturd, is going to run the 2016 Republican ticket? <sarc>

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 08:33 | 3161648 AllWorkedUp
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If that piece of shit Zionist Bloomtard were to run and win we would trully be finished.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:41 | 3160665 Meatier Shower
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“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."
-Abraham Lincoln

"Those who formally rule take their signals and commands not from the electorate as a body, but from a small group of men. This group will be called the Establishment. It exists even though that existence is stoutly denied. It is one of the secrets of the American social order... A second secret is the fact that the existence of the Establishment - the ruling class - is not supposed to be discussed."
-Arthur S. Miller

"For the first time in its history, Western Civilization is in danger of being destroyed internally by a corrupt, criminal ruling cabal which is centered around the Rockefeller interests, which include elements from the Morgan, Brown, Rothschild, Du Pont, Harriman, Kuhn-Loeb, and other groupings as well. This junta took control of the political, financial, and cultural life of America in the first two decades of the twentieth century….The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences."
-Carroll Quigley 

"People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principle men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd."
-J. P. Morgan

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, Public Debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance."

- Cicero, 55 B.C.

"If, as it appears, the experiment that was called 'America' is at an end ... then perhaps a fitting epitaph would be ... 'here lies America the greatest nation that might have been had it not been for the Edomite bankers who first stole their money, used their stolen money to buy their politicians and press, and lastly deprived them of their Constitutional freedom by the most evil device yet created -The Federal Reserve Banking System.'"
-G. D. McDaniel

“Men occasionally stumble over? the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”

 - Sir Winston Churchill

“The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall.”
- Che

"With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but with tyrants, I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where they will certainly be lost."

- William Lloyd Garrison

“When we have gold we are in fear, when we have none we are in danger.”  - English Proverb






Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:52 | 3160714 Cabreado
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Bravo, Mr. Smith.

We are in the midst of the fallout of the Self-Absorbed, finally saturated in places of influence and control.

You describe it well.

When We understand that we must investigate the Motivations of those who "aspire to lead,"
we'll be, er, would have been, much better off.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:51 | 3160715 rsnoble
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Left, right, left, right, left,'s all connected to the same body of bullshit.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:54 | 3160727 TrustWho
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I wonder how many people have followed a similar path and find themselves in a similar place? I would love to know the answer. Thomas Jefferson warned us.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:55 | 3160736 Shizzmoney
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What this guy misses is that true "liberals" actually hate "the Left".

It's Neo-Conservatives

and Neo-Liberals

and everyone else.

Corporate Fascism.  Nothing more.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:56 | 3160738 proLiberty
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"Sometimes the only solutions left in the face of tyranny are not peaceful.  Logic, reason, and justice are not revered in a legal system which serves the will of the power elite instead of the common man. "


Power-hungry people hide behind princple when it serves their power, yet anyone who is bold enough to "speak truth to power", when it doesn't support their goals becomes their enemy.  

Compare to principle-oriented people who must use the power to preserve the broader principles involved. 


Sadly, too many people in office today are there to advance power and not to protect principles, particularly those expressed in the Constitution.  As a result, we have a Leviathan State, that even funds itself to such an extent that it doesn't have to get the approval of taxpayers.  We have only a limitied time to put this beast back on its cage before it finishes putting us in the cage.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:02 | 3160773 CheapBastard
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Powerful article.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:06 | 3160786 Bohm Squad
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Nice Brandon.


I argued in college that there is no left or right as viewed on a straight line.  Rather, the political spectrum can be more adequately described as ring-shaped, where the left and right are actually next to one another and the Liberty Movement would be on the opposite side.



Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:08 | 3160791 FieldofScreams1221
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The Jews control both parties.  Jew is the word never said here because they control this blog.Jews did 911 and all world wars and epressions.  Those who do not  name the enemy by name up front and on top 24/7 are complicit in their crimes.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:07 | 3160792 FieldofScreams1221
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The Jews control both parties.  Jew is the word never said here because they control this blog.Jews did 911 and all world wars and epressions.  Those who do not  name the enemy by name up front and on top 24/7 are complicit in their crimes.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:12 | 3160809 moroots
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"Do not forget your moral compass just because you think the system is now your personal playground"


Does that mean Moochelle isn't entitled to 8 domestic and 6 foreign vacations a year, all in the lap of luxury?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:19 | 3160839 AllWorkedUp
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Excellent article. My defining moment was when the Republicrats had the House and the Senate and spent and taxed like Democrats.

Where do I find this Liberty Movement? Sounds like the group I want to align with.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:22 | 3160848 Marley
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Dr. StrangeBrew or How I learned to love the John Birch Society?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:18 | 3161277 gdogus erectus
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QuIck FYI. The John Birch Society was infiltrated years ago as most organizations do. Read up on what happened to the senator that joined the society and became its president after finding out our government had been taken over by these asshats. Larry Patton McDonald was general Patton's cousin, a senator and president of the JB Society who was about to announce his candidacy for POTUS. Then he had a bad airplane incident.... After that the JB Society has been a shell of it's former self.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:27 | 3160853 RetiredVet
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After reading the majority of all the posts here, I thought I'd add my two cents as matter what you want to call the "left" or the "right" I see it like this: Some people think they are Jesus and they have to save the world from itself because they think in their own little warped mind that they know what's best and they are going to have have their way with their agenda........I call those idots Liberal doucbebags.  Then we have the Career politicians of both "said" patries in DC, and they are pretty much the same...they think they are above us all, and know what is best for us, and shove it up our ass because the majority of americans keep voting "left" or "Right" because the media painted the picture and the masses believed it. Herd mentality.......

Time to rid ourselves of all these career mother fuckers and think for ourselves........

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:25 | 3160861 XitSam
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The "traditional conservatives" are just as bad as the neo-cons which are just as bad as the left. They just want to control a different part of other people's lives. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:30 | 3160876 dwdollar
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It's nice to chat and reflect when we all "woke up" but it doesn't do a damned bit of good.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:36 | 3160886 Manipuflation
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I'm sorry but I am boiling over with anger here on our meeting on Friday with the Russian Consulate to establish double Russian/American citizenship for our children.  The Russian side of the equation thinks I can make some coin over in Russia doing what I do and knowing what I know and want me to go there to live.

HUUUGE Explosion from me and actually the both of us went full scale MAD.  She loves me and I understand that.  I want my wife and children out of the way but I can not and will not flee but she can't accept that.  Fuck.  I have hardware and plenty of it.  Some serious fucking douchbags need some attention. 

I am not going anywhere. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:42 | 3160911 spinone
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Why does the government want to ban assault rifles and high capacity magazines?  To keep us safe, right?

The FBI keeps very good statistics on murder.  Lets look at the facts.

Guns were used to murder about 9000 people in 2009. Of that, rifles were used to kill about 350, or about 4%.  Thats all rifles, because the FBI doesn't have a category for assault rifles.

The rest were killed with handguns.  Studies have shown that ony about 30% of those comitting crimes with handguns obtained them legally.  The rest bought them illegally or stole them.  So about 70% of the 8500 or so who murdered with a handgun obtained that handgun illegally, or about 6000.

6000 vs less than 350.  if the government were interested in reducing gun violence, they would go after illegal handguns, not assault rifles.

Secondly, the 2nd Amendment intended the right to bear arms to form a militia.  Its an individual right, granted, but to form a militia as the "teeth of democracy".  If there is a modern equivalent to the musket for a militia, it is the AR-15. 

If the government were really interested in preserving the law and spirit of the 2nd Amendment, they would not outlaw the AR-15.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:13 | 3161001 JR
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“The best way to depict what’s going on in America is through a letter from the head of the Sinaloa Drug Cartel, to President Obama.”

Mexican Drug Cartels Celebrate Gun Control by Jon Rappoport
In case people are ready to assume this letter is real, it isn't, but the spirit of it is very true and very real: 

Dear President Obama,

Let me begin by saying that you can count on us to support your efforts in disarming American citizens in any way we can.

The Fast and Furious operation backfired a bit in this regard, but I'm glad to see it hasn't stopped you.

As you know, we are making inroads on US soil. We've set up significant operations in the Southwest, one area where armed citizens can be a bit of trouble to us, especially if they own land we cross or are adjacent to.

We view their disarming with a positive attitude. I would say your basic gun-grabbing strategy is primarily aimed at the American West. The border states need to be cleaned out. The fewer people there who have guns (particularly those with high-capacity clips), the easier it is for us.

But since our drug trafficking lines take in most of America, wherever citizens aren't armed we're generally in better shape.

I'm pleasantly surprised that media in your country haven't pressed you to name the areas where most gun violence is taking place. After all, if your objective is to reduce that violence, you would think a campaign directed at gangs in inner cities would rank number one on your to-do list.

Those areas and those gangs do subcontracting work for us (and other Mexican cartels). Leaving them in place is a priority for us. So congratulations on being able to skirt this tricky issue. Your cojones are, indeed, huge. …

Now to the real reason I'm writing. In Chicago, your crime stronghold, one of our people is on trial. This is a sensitive matter, as you know.

The defendant, Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, wants to expose our arrangement. This must not happen. So far, your DEA and CIA have managed to gain trial delays.

Niebla and his lawyers are ready to offer documents that show the Sinaloa has US federal permission to ship tons of drugs into Chicago, and from there to other distribution points in the US.

Niebla will reveal this deal was made so that Sinaloa would provide valuable information on our rival cartels to the DEA and the FBI.

Therefore, Niebla will point out that he has special immunity from prosecution. That was part of the deal for high-ranking Sinaloa members.

Fortunately, his trial hasn't been played up in the American press. Again, well done. Coverage has been stifled. It's stayed on the back burner, and the CIA and DEA are claiming no such immunity deal exists for Niebla.

But at the same time, the CIA has been making motions in court to have documents excluded from the trial on the basis of National Security.

This is a gross tip-off to our deal, and it doesn't sit well with me. It's awkward. I'm sure you agree, Mr. President.

The last thing we need here is exposure, especially while you're pushing forward your gun-grabbing program. …

The rest of the letter at

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:21 | 3161025 dizzyfingers
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JR, smiling but only with one lip. 'Taint funny in the face of what's about to happen. Confiscation's coming.

And why?

Global Murder Statistics
Kind of contradicts what the hand wringing politicians would have us believe, doesn't it? After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. - William S. Burroughs. See the statistic From the World Health Organization: The latest Murder Statistics for the world: Murders per 100,000 citizens Honduras 91.6 El Salvador 69.2 Cote d'lvoire 56.9 Jamaica 52.2 Venezuela 45.1 Belize 41.4 US Virgin Islands 39.2 Guatemala 38.5 Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2 Zambia 38.0 Uganda 36.3 Malawi 36.0 Lesotho 35.2 Trinidad and Tobago 35.2 Colombia 33.4 South Africa 31.8 Congo 30.8 Central African Republic 29.3 Bahamas 27.4 Puerto Rico 26.2 Saint Lucia 25.2 Dominican Republic 25.0 Tanzania 24.5 Sudan 24.2 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9 Ethiopia 22.5 Guinea 22.5 Dominica 22.1 Burundi 21.7 Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7 Panama 21.6 Brazil 21.0 Equatorial Guinea 20.7 Guinea-Bissau 20.2 Kenya 20.1 Kyrgyzstan 20.1 Cameroon 19.7 Montserrat 19.7 Greenland 19.2 Angola 19.0 Guyana 18.6 Burkina Faso 18.0 Eritrea 17.8 Namibia 17.2 Rwanda 17.1 Mexico 16.9 Chad 15.8 Ghana 15.7 Ecuador 15.2 North Korea 15.2 Benin 15.1 Sierra Leone 14.9 Mauritania 14.7 Botswana 14.5 Zimbabwe 14.3 Gabon 13.8 Nicaragua 13.6 French Guiana 13.3 Papua New Guinea 13.0 Swaziland 12.9 Bermuda 12.3 Comoros 12.2 Nigeria 12.2 Cape Verde 11.6 Grenada 11.5 Paraguay 11.5 Barbados 11.3 Togo 10.9 Gambia 10.8 Peru 10.8 Myanmar 10.2 Russia 10.2 Liberia 10.1 Costa Rica 10.0 Nauru 9.8 Bolivia 8.9 Mozambique 8.8 Kazakhstan 8.8 Senegal 8.7 Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7 Mongolia 8.7 British Virgin Islands 8.6 Cayman Islands 8.4 Seychelles 8.3 Madagascar 8.1 Indonesia 8.1 Mali 8.0 Pakistan 7.8 Moldova 7.5 Kiribati 7.3 Guadeloupe 7.0 Haiti 6.9 Timor-Leste 6.9 Anguilla 6.8 Antigua and Barbuda 6.8 Lithuania 6.6 Uruguay 5.9 Philippines 5.4 Ukraine 5.2 Estonia 5.2 Cuba 5.0 Belarus 4.9 Thailand 4.8 Suriname 4.6 Laos 4.6 Georgia 4.3 Martinique 4.2 And The United States 4.2 ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans   Source: World Health Organization, forwarded by Victoria Baer from William S. Burroughs.
Thu, 01/17/2013 - 03:02 | 3161415 Curiously_Crazy
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*post removed - redundant*

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 06:51 | 3161575 Colonial Intent
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William S. Burroughs was a murderer who shot his wife in the head playing russian roulette/william tell games. (Not exactly a poster boy for gun ownership)

Also, using your argument the EU has lower gun deaths than all the above so you should have 100% gun bans to be safe.

The data cuts both ways m'seiur.

Also why are you using WHO data, arent the WHO all satanists controlled by the UN?, why would any true amerkin god-fearing patridiot trust those commie fo-ren-erz.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 08:59 | 3161689 Oldwood
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So,all that is important to you is "gun" deaths. Death by bator blade is not important.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 12:45 | 3162652 Colonial Intent
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All deaths are important regardless of the cause, it may come as a shock to you but not everyone shares your immoral and depraved outlook on life.

See, i can read minds over the internet too.


Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:14 | 3161164 tip e. canoe
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rappaport thinks big, cuts deep on the daily

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:35 | 3161203 Mark Noonan
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It was a gigantic mistake when we allowed our State militias to become the National Guard, which is really no more than a reserve component of the federal Army.  One thing we should do, if we ever can, is abolish the National Guard and return to State militias.  To be sure, such militias would be ineffective for fighting overseas but that is also kind of the point...they are supposed to be there to make it absolutely not worth anyone's while to invade us...sure, militias won't be as good, man for man, as professional soldiers, but 5 or 6 million enrolled milita members (with automatic weapons and other armaments up to light artillery) would make conquering the United States impossible...and, of course, ensure that the federal government doesn't have the majority of armed force within the United States.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:59 | 3161242 Bastiat
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They aren't interested in preserving the law; seems to me they are scared shitless, moving at near panic speed as the they know the wheels are coming off'

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:44 | 3160913 blindman
Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:45 | 3160917 JR
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If the fate and future of our beloved nation was a game, this article would be a game changer. But it is no frivolous thing; we all must look the tsunami of national destruction in its face and call each corruption, each evil, each lie, just where it stands; it’s the only way. And Brandon Smith is leading the way, telling the truth no matter how it sits.

Smith has looked at the facts and subtracted the fiction.

Americans are facing a massive betrayal by their government, by a government occupied by invaders and looters whose chief business is power, who use torture and secret police to take control from the people to ensure full obedience with an iron fist.

These apparatchiks are machines who kill, without conscience, burying what they do under a massive muddle of media-planned propaganda. American life has become a crapshoot. Or, as Dan Smoot has said, “Liberty is destroyed when freedom of enterprise is under the gun of government,” under financial terrorism.

The stakes are high; they are playing for keeps. They, not we, are the organizers of terror. They, not we, are the barbarians who impose Stalinesque sanctions - starvation cordons - around free peoples and entire nations. They, not we, are the barbarians within our gates who have trampled the roots of the values that Americans so painstakingly cultivated, they, not we,are the destroyers of the freedoms Americans resolved to pass on to future generations. These are the men who have struck at the heart of America’s selflessness, of her strength and independence of spirit, of the symbol of her greatness—the hearth.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:18 | 3161013 Manipuflation
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JR:  That was a thoughtful commentary to be sure.

"American life has become a crapshoot."

I'm not leaving.  I figured that out some time ago.  And it will not be a crapshoot.  This shit is heavy to carry, so where am I going?  To the caucus again? 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:30 | 3161048 Mr. Hudson
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I wish ""we" knew exactly who "they" are. I listen to Alex Jones scream about the globalists, but he never mentions any names.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:50 | 3161098 JR
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Look at who benefits from the huge profits generated by Fed policy and you might have a clue. I would start with Goldman Sachs and the owners of JPM, and the rest of the primary owners of the Federal Reserve Bank.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:30 | 3161195 ZeroAvatar
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Eggsactamundo.  Look at the Bilderberger list, for really good clues.  Also, board members of the Dow Jones Corporations? (Most are major shareholders)

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:26 | 3161300 gdogus erectus
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13 bloodlines at the top. Rothschilds are still in that group. You'll be labeled a kook when you disclose this vast conspiracy but it's still the truth. These families run the worlds banks.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:52 | 3160935 dragoneyes74
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I also went through the awakening that we really only have one political party shaped by the funding of the international corporations.  However, where I think the "conspiracy theorists" go too far is thinking it's all being controlled behind the scenes by the wealthy banking families with an Orwellian agenda in mind as their end game.  I believe it's deeper than that.  It's more like a formless energy of power that pervades life itself.  In nature, it plays out as a system that is organized by a hierarchy of the physically powerful (i.e. lions over lambs...). In human society it's played out via the financially wealthy and politically powerful.  The founding fathers warned of the two merging and tried to setup a system to prevent that from happening.  But it was compromised via the Federal Reserve and our system of political campaign funding that controls the laws in favor of the corporations to increase their power, as well as many other things like the implementation of the income tax system, the social security ponzi scheme, and other progressive systems that expand the power of government.  Not to mention the expansion of the military to extend our American empire across the world.  All of this is power seeking more power.  As history proves, all great civilizations crumble from three things: when the currency is devalued; when the government grows too big; and when the military grows too big. (All of which strangle the economy.)  While, technically, there are things we can do to course-correct and prevent this from happening, albeit unlikely, I happen to think what we are seeing is the shifting of the world's power center from America to the East.  To China.  The concentration of power that built up in America over the centuries is being spread out to the world via the shifting of our production base as power seeks more power in the form of seeking the cheapest labor to increase profits.  This process will expand the free market system to spread out to the entire world, dissolving our middle class, and empowering the poor areas of the undeveloped countries (eventually).  America is doing all the things you would expect it to do to implode.  And China is doing all the things you would expect it to do to capitalize on this (building its gold reserves...) (Although, they too have central planning issues that could get in the way, but a democratic revolution may be yet to come). 

Where I differ with the Liberty movement, which probably agrees with most of this, is over the one issue of guns.  I'm not going to rehash that, but needless to say, all the consolidating of power that this article above discusses is not to impose an Orwellian agenda as it implies, it's simply the formless force of Power working its way into both political parties and the financial system of international corporations, draining power from the people like a parasite.  I whole-heartedly support the 2nd Amendment for the purpose of civilian self-defense; but the need to fight the tryanny that this article implies is unfounded and impractical, so the justification for the high-powered weapons most of the people on this board support to fight tyranny is simply misguided and obsolete.  Think about the practicalities of what it would take for our gov't to physically takeover our country.  It's the plot of a movie.  It would require our military, which has deep psychological roots to family and friends all over the country, to turn on their loved ones, and sweep them off into FEMA camps as a means of control.  And, for what?  Because a despotic president, who somehow lived his entire life as a normal citizen just so he could campaign his way into presidency by fooling the entire nation, then turn his generals onto his vision of taking over the country, who all buy into it of course, and then they convince the entire military that they should turn on their loved ones so HE could become tyrant of the country?  THIS is the argument people unknowingly use when they defend the right for citizens to have assault weapons to fight the potential of gov't tyranny.  THAT is a paranoid distraction from what is actually happening.

If we have any chance of turning our country around, it will not be accomplished through a violent overthrow of the government. The only chance we have is through educating the populace and using the strength of the system to alter its course via voting.  I know, I almost laughed at that sentence coming out of me too.  I see a way that it's possible, and it would only take a certain amount of people to get it done, but it won't happen via violent overthrow.  I won't go into all the things that need to be fixed b/c I'm sure everyone here knows them, but here's just a few:

-Abolish the Fed and return to sound money

-Change from an income tax system to a consumption tax system.  This will allow production jobs to return here.  Money goes where it's treated the best.  If corporations could manufacture here tax free they would return.  It's the only way.

-Campaign finance reform, term limits, revolving door...

-Dramatically shrink the military by closing down all overseas bases and withdrawing our troops to concentrate on making it nearly impossible for foreign attack on our own soil

-Shrink gov't, end social security, reduce Medicare, end Obamacare...

You know the rest.  The point I'm making is a lot of Liberty minded people know this stuff, but they fall into the fear-based storyline that the government is somehow going to takeover the country and enslave us physically, which is immature and distracting.  Sure, they point to all the surface ripple effects of the underlying power shift that is happening, but it's not a physical takeover to be worried about. The real storyline of what the fomless force of power is doing is enslaving us via currency devaluation and mindless entertainment while shifting to the East as it flees overtaxation and seeks increased profits.  This very well could result in world war, but it's not a tyrannical event that is occurring.  Liberty won't win via violence.  It will win via educating enough of the aware population to collesce around a vision and implement it through democratic processes.  THAT is a true revolution and it's the only chance we have.   

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:26 | 3161036 Mr. Hudson
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You are correct. But people are too scared nowadays to do anything. They will go nuts when either they are starving to death, or their internet server is discontinued.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:48 | 3161088 Manipuflation
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Interesting statement Mr. Hudson.

"They will go nuts when either they are starving to death, or their internet server is discontinued."

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:33 | 3161055 Manipuflation
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"Where I differ with the Liberty movement"


Really?  I want to say bad things about your post but I am not sure it is worth the effort.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:47 | 3161330 jwoop66
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They don't have to throw us all in prisons by force.  They will just set up a system where we all turn on each other and do the work for them.  The nazis relied on citizens turning each other in for usually just civil disputes.   People would make shit up just to get back at a neighbor or co-worker or whatever.  Before too long everyone is paranoid as fuck.   The police and military have an easy time of it at that point.  You just need to put enough of us in to prisons to make an example for the rest.

The first step is to get rid of the guns.  Not the ones we presently kill each other with -- handguns, but the ones that are only used in 2%or 3% of the crimes.  You know, the ones we would defend ourselves against military/police aggression with - Semi-automatic rifles.  


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:52 | 3160938 ramacers
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are you willin' to pick up a weapon to defend liberty and die for it?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:58 | 3160953 dizzyfingers
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ramacers: Roman citizens weren't. I don't think we are either.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:21 | 3161028 Mr. Hudson
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If I'm dead, I can't enjoy no more liberty.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:41 | 3161075 JR
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My close friends and associates have done a complete about face on gun ownership since the election.

The political correctness, the silence, the rolling eyes, the sighs, all have changed. They are buying guns.

There appear to be two reasons: 1) the re-election of Obama with an aggressive, divisive wave of supporters, and 2) the aggressive posture of these supporters claiming they won the right to change America to fit their agenda, to be in complete charge, to take other people’s property, and to dictate restrictions on Americans' liberty.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:32 | 3161198 Yen Cross
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 J.R. ( We aren't getting any younger).  I thought you were too Liberal, and you thought I was "un-learn-ed".

  When I was a child, I thanked God and Jesus for a safe home. 


   I have the [Mental Fortitude]enough to converse with you lunk heads, for which I'm eternally blessed.

       VIX will collapse, in the next weak.


Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:36 | 3161204 ZeroAvatar
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Wow, JR, you should have 50 upvotes for that.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:46 | 3161324 Yen Cross
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 You can "hate" me. Hating J.R.?   Z/A send me a trading idea? I'll let ya in.  I won't judge you. (Be Honest)

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:27 | 3161740 ZeroAvatar
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I wasn't even talking to you, Jackmeat....I just accidentally came in behind you.


Why are you searching through my comments?  WTF is wrong with you?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:56 | 3160940 dizzyfingers
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Thanks for acknowledging that the liberty people want what most people really do want. It's nice to know that someone noticed. But the freight train running downhill that's about to crush all of us running downhill ahead of it is too out of control to be stopped. As you point out, there are no political solutions. What has to happen has to happen. Freedom, liberty, whatever you want to call it is over, so your recognition, sadly, is too late.

Good luck.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:59 | 3160957 dizzyfingers
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"Inside the Global Banking Intelligence Complex, BCCI Operations"

Oh look, it's Bill and Hillary's old friend, BCCI.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:03 | 3160971 rwe2late
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Everyone please note that BOTH left and right may embrace totalitarianism.

It would seem that those of the left who oppose totalitarianism, and those of the right who oppose also COULD and SHOULD find enough common ground to agree on a mutually satisfactory political program.

The so-called left/right debate within the US is mostly confined to neoliberals vs. neoconservatives.


The terms "left" and "right" appeared during the

French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly

divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.

There is general consensus that the Left includes

progressives, social-liberals, greens, social-democrats, socialists, democratic-socialists, civil-libertarians (as in "social-libertarians"; not to be confused with the right's "economic-libertarians"), secularists, communists, and anarchists


and that the Right includes

conservatives, reactionaries, neoconservatives, capitalists, neoliberals, economic-libertarians (not to be confused with the left's "civil-libertarians"), social-authoritarians, monarchists, theocrats, nationalists, Nazis (including neo-Nazis) and fascists


- Wikipedia



Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:10 | 3160995 alfbell
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It's too damn bad that the American people as a whole have become too low scale, apathetic, fearful, disconnected, uncausative, pre-occupied, etc. (I include myself in this.)
If this wasn't the case, most all of Congress would be dragged out onto the commons and lynched. From that point on, government representatives would do their jobs well and honestly with the good of the country and its future in mind instead of their own personal gain. They'd wear that hat the way it was intended to be worn by our Founders... or else.
We've lost the courage, daring, bravery and inclination to be vigilant and to fight for our rights. If citizens today had the character of the early farmers, pioneers, mountainmen, militia, etc. of our past... our politicians would be scared shitless of being caught involved in any shenanigans.
We're all wishy washy wimps. Our highest level of causation is to vent and criticize on blogs such as this one.
Wimps deserve what they get.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:15 | 3161010 dizzyfingers
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Alfbel: half of us have been told by the other half for so damned long to be nice, that the French revolution thing never, ever could take hold here. But I've had my fingers crossed.

What would fighting for our rights look like in the absence of any law at all at a national level? How would fighting for our rights be done?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:33 | 3161054 alfbell
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IDK (I don't know.)

The people always have the power and never seem to realize it.

Tens of millions march on Washington?

Tens of millions refuse to pay taxes and finance finance war and welfare any longer? (Starve the government. Demand that income tax be phased out.)

(The above would require business owners to get a unanimous vote from their employee base to not pay taxes, and then to tell their accountants to stop deducting payroll taxes from paychecks. Or fire the employees for their unwilling to contribute to the motion and take their country back.)

Stop using credit cards and borrowing money (starve the banks of their interest income)?

Contact your representative en mass in an organized fashion and get them to sign on to voting out all Fascist and Centralized policies or they will be impeached and replaced?

Stop watching TV, the news and buying the mags and newspapers of the mainstream media?

All of the above would be most difficult to make happen. The risks are too great. No one is willing to leave their comfort zone. That and disbelief and false hope is what kept the German people frozen in their beds until the Nazis finally kicked in their door.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:39 | 3161067 dizzyfingers
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Alfbel: I stopped watching/listening to news shows decades ago, never buy magazines or newspapers, cut our spending by 80%, never again will sign a contract for any purchase, let our line of credit lapse, don't go to movies, rarely go out to eat, buy very few clothes and always only on deep sale. But hurting the economy...hurts the economy, though I agree that a tax revolt would do REAL GOOD!

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:42 | 3161216 ZeroAvatar
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Answer:  See Syria

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:44 | 3161212 ZeroAvatar
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Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:11 | 3160998 The Miser
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The Democrat Party and the Republican Party are really a two headed snake.  They talk a bit different, eat the different things but output is the same.  It all comes out the same hole in the back of the snake.   We have lost our liberty with NDAA.       

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:12 | 3160999 alfbell
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Gradual loss of our freedoms, wealth and our country = Gradual increase of temperature of water in pot (containing frog) to the boiling point.
American citizen = frog.
End of game = water hits 212 degrees F.
American citizens, their children and their progeny = cooked frogs.
Ugh! Boy does this script need a rewrite for a better ending.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:25 | 3161034 cherry picker
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Why is it that no one put up a solid attempt to impeach Obama on Constitutional grounds as he did not comply with his oath.

Why doesn't the world's human rights organizations demand war crimes trials for what the criminals do, is it because htere is too much money at risk or are people scared the CIA will discredit, torture, imprison or murder them?

Why isn't there a budget?

Why do I even have to pose these questions?   There must be something wrong out there isn't there?

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