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The Most Ridiculous Forecast You Will See In A While

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With Apple apparently building a lower-cost iPoor model and now accepting iLayaway payments, the question of margins is once again front-and-center. However, the market as a whole is in a world of its own in its consensus view of what US companies are capable of producing next year. As Morgan Stanley notes, 58% of firms are expected to raise their margins YoY through 2012, and then consensus sees a stunning (record-breaking) 76% of firms will raise margins in 2013. If that eye-watering buffoonery is not enough to raise some doubts at the market's implied ebullience, then a reminder that we have seen this divergence from GDP growth and margin growth before - as, simply put, the squeezing of costs to improve margins inevitably plays out down the chain (aggregate supply and demand lags) and increases the load on government as safety net living-standard-provider-of-last-resort. The bottom line is simple - margin expectations must fall and given the dour outlook for top-line growth in a stagnating global economy, that will expectations correction will drop straight to the bottom-line. Of course, prices will be nominally defended by a herd of talking heads expecting moar multiple expansion.


The incredible consensus view of margin-expanding companies in 2013...


Excluding energy and financials, incremental margins are expected to expand to 15.9% in 2013 after contracting to 5.8% in 2012


and we have seen this kind of wild (one-sided - demand vs supply) divergence before... the solid green arrow shows the consensus expectations surging while GDP consensus is sideways to lower...


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Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:50 | 3159760 Pairadimes
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Can I short that top chart?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:11 | 3159846 Mr Pink
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This clinches it....We must be living in Bizarro World

This is not happening....this is not happening...this is not happening...this is not happening...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:27 | 3160184 NotApplicable
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Ridiculous??? Just wait until Benron starts buying whole warehouses and cargo ships, only to destroy them in an effort to "sop up liquidity."

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:22 | 3159858 Ham-bone
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only if you believe the dollar will maintain or strengthen as we decide to decide to do nothing about deficits and decide to put off that decision about cuts in spending for another generations decision...I see a long way dollar could fall and that based on 2/3rds of earnings abroad for s&p500 would fall niclely to the profit statement...not good but actually conceivable.

Take a peak at the DJT's and seems possible the Fed is about to get it's wish of RUT, S&P, DOW all blasting off to new highs...shouldn't be suprising w/ QEverything poured into equities, bonds, MBS's. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:40 | 3159979 Panafrican Funk...
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Yeah, while I see record corporate profits on a sum total basis, I also see continued margin compression.  It's the only possible path.  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:57 | 3160059 ACP
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Here's this for ridiculous - now the White House is requiring 100,000 signatures for an official response.

Bunch of spoiled brats.

Too much work for government employees, huh?

So just reduce your workload arbitrarily.

I wish I could do that, but I'm not a fucking government employee.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:21 | 3160158 max2205
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That whole thing is a joke

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:31 | 3160198 NotApplicable
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No doubt. After all, just how hard is it to put these little up/down arrows next to any posted legislation?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:51 | 3159769 lolmao500
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Maybe Amazon will get a 20 000 P/E in 2013...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:57 | 3159790 ZeroPower
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Repeat after me: PE doesn't mean anything. Anything.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:21 | 3159874 AccreditedEYE
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It's true.... really, really true. Fundamental analysis is dead. Just BTFD and let Ben take you home.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:01 | 3160076 poor fella
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Know this, you will never walk right again if Ben takes you home.  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:52 | 3159770 michiganmaven
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As was said in Europe last year... when thing sare really bad lie ! basically that is what they are doing... anyone with half a brain (or less) can see margins peaked... 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:22 | 3160165 max2205
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Free I phone s with your EBT cards!

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:27 | 3161298 August
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Every now and then, someone on the apparent A Team fucks up, and gives the public a "fact".

"When things get serious, you have to lie"... cherish the inadvertant truth!  This is the only time you'll ever hear it spoken, at least from the likes of Jean-Claude Juncker.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:03 | 3159817 DaveyJones
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"the most ridiculous forecast you will see in a while"

I'll give it a week

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:08 | 3159834 Fox-Scully
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or until the POTUS speaks again.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:56 | 3160056 Catflappo
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"I'll give it a week"

Was that a forecast?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:21 | 3160154 CPL
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Well it's only weds, anything could happen between now and then.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:10 | 3159839 Motorhead
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Charts, bitchez!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:10 | 3159841 SheepDog-One
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It's gonna be the BEST damn year since the start of the Great Depression by krackey!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:11 | 3159843 big fat one
Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:20 | 3159873 busted by the b...
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Fantasy trumps reality.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:54 | 3160041 adr
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So my company is supposed to see better margins with every single retailer asking for 80 points now, to make up for the fact they can't move any inventory unless it is 50% off?


Well maybe if the Yen truly does go to the shitter and dumps to 120 Yen per dollar again. Then I might see some margin return. Fuck if that happens I'm moving to Japan because every single Japanese citizen would need to be handed a trillion yen+ for that to happen. Who knows Abe might make it rain coins from Mt. Fuji.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:06 | 3160092 q99x2
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How many times did you read "That will" sentence before giving up? I did 3. Just in from a 10 mile jog. It might be me.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:20 | 3160147 hairball48
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Down the rabbit hole.....

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:56 | 3160300 More Lint than Coin
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PPI and CPI have tracked considerable closer over the past year, a small increase in prices across the board seems reasonable.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:14 | 3160366 orangegeek
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Well if AAPL is going to climb, it will likely do it against the direction of the NASAQ100.




ebay fell 3% on poor earnings outlook.  But the BS keeps flying in the hope that euphoria will kick in and everyone will run out and buy AAPL.


mmmmm.....hopium.....feels good....thanks Barry.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:46 | 3160696 espirit
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Almost as funny as Jamie (the pig) Dimon taking a pay cut.


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:09 | 3160990 Yen Cross
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 Short QCOM. Gap needs to  be filled. This is only the 5 day chart!

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 02:03 | 3161353 ebworthen
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Can't wait to see those fucking crony capitalist's in bed with the socialists BURN.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 18:12 | 3164079 SKY85hawk
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"In 2011, when the debt limit was increased by $2.1 trillion in return for $2.1 trillion in spending cuts over ten years." see above.

So, THEY promised us $210 billion spending cuts in 2012 and 013.  Anyone seen that?

Response: AGUY, While there are no budget cuts for 2013, you'll be happy to know that Washington did take action. They have chosen to raise your taxes for 2013. while this will not decrease the Budget deficit it will avoid the deficit from getting larger as out lays for Social Security,Medicare and Wealthfare. are rising. You should also be happy that your health insurance premiums will be increasing by about 20% in 2013 and another 40% by 2016 for ACA (O'bamacare). While this will not do anything to stem rising Medicare costs, it will help decrease the number of people able to afford Health Insurance.

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