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Obama's 23 Executive Gun Control Actions

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The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

 

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Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:38 | 3158295 redpill
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The lack of specificity on some is what is concerning, and which will likely lead to overreach and abuse, such as #4.  It gives Eric Holder (of all people) free reign to pick and choose who can buy a gun and who can't.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:15 | 3158355 Shell Game
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Exactly, red.  That's the one that caught my interest immediately. Specific 'categories' who would be deemed too dangerous, eh? 

 

The rot is ripe for open-ended, creative interpretation.  Fuck. These. Traitors.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:54 | 3158440 kliguy38
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Yes ....this tactic is universal when implementing an onerous law......disguise your real hammer in the midst of 23 rules that are relatively acceptable .....you are correct they will use that to great advantage....it will be interpreted to maximum advantage

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:39 | 3158301 FEDbuster
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Our dumbfuck governor here in AZ just bit the apple on Obamacare.  She made a surprise announcement in her "state of the state" address to take federal money for medicare and medicaid from the Obamacare funding.  Like a cheap crack whore she gave it up for some FRNs from D.C. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:04 | 3158504 NidStyles
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It's not that bad they still passed the opt out provision last year.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:12 | 3158560 Raymond K Hessel
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"It's not that bad" is the gateway drug to the slippery slope.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:02 | 3158897 secret_sam
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It was totally obvious this country went to shit the day the Alien and Sedition acts were passed.  It's been a tyrannical hellhole ever since.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:06 | 3159256 NidStyles
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Honestly, if you're dumb enough to opt in, you deserve what you get. I don't defend morons for their actions anymore. The information is out there, and it's been pushed accross the planet. No reason to be a moron and enslave yourself.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:23 | 3158631 lightning
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That is what the first two executive orders address.  He is going to use obamacare and the medical exchanges as his database.  This is an absolute overreach if what you say is true regarding congressional law not allowing this.  As a mental health professional, I (like you stated) would not be comfortable highlighting a patient unless ABSOLUTELY necessary.  Yet, I am not the majority.  Most in my profession are die hard progressives who believe ordinary people can't be trused with their own kids never mind a weapon.  I honestly hope there is push back by sheriffs, but by using Obamacare, he puts many peoples rights in peril.  This won't cost them any more money.  This is simply a directive to the medical/mental health profession to include XYZ info in their notes.  The notes are how we all get paid.  Medicaid already has a system set up to deny payment based on how notes are written.  In regard to the last portion of your comment, I do stand with you and I will not be party to this abomination even if it means not working in my field anymore.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:54 | 3161107 knowless
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sadly, but i must regress, obamanation.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:36 | 3158283 Ident 7777 economy
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+1 for subtle yet clear ref to AlexJonsian 1776 response ...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:51 | 3158406 lightning
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You are absolutely correct.  What people are not connecting yet is the requirement of digital medical records and how it plays into these executive orders.  It is not only about your doctor asking if you own a gun.  It is your doctor reporting that he prescribed you such and such medication which is designed to address depression, anxiety, etc.  Or the fact that he just prescribed medication whose side effects can cause "unstable behavior.  It is about mental health professionals (and I am one myself) being told to report via these digital records ANY instance where a patient hints, alludes, or otherwise indicates that a person is "unstable" and "may" become a threat to himself or others.  It is a domestic spat that will be recorded and used against you in the future (although this has already been done in most areas).  The first wave of people who will lose the ability to gain permits?  Vets, women who suffer post-partum, anyone with a spouse who calls the cops when you fight, anyone who seeks mental health services, and any household that contains a person who is receiving mental health services.  The progression will continue to include medication disbursment, and I don't think that it will be long before the NSA is used to identify "mentally unstable" people who blog or post comments on the Internet.  You won't be arrested, but you can kiss your ability to get a weapons permit bye-bye.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:13 | 3158957 Cathartes Aura
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^^^recommended reading, slowly and carefully^^^

 

it's a big system designed to use/abuse you.  know who your doctors work for.

y'all better git yer wife off those anti-depressants soon. . .

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:23 | 3158168 N. B. Forrest
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Are you seeing what I'm seeing?  It appears to be a bunch of smoke and mirrors.  All bark and no bite.

 

If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:31 | 3158239 Zer0head
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the word is insidious

huge new funding for Big Data and Federalizing of data bases including education, medical, law enforcement, gun manufacturers (tracking technology) - Look how many times the word 'information' is used

next is the medical thing empowering doctors, tied to Obamacare and a new classification system - think of the decorative red stars in the Warsaw  Ghetto, this is far more creative where people will be assigned to categories where prohibition will kick in

I could go on and on ... teachers and kids - little precious in grade 2 being questioned bout daddies gun collection - the teachers are now empowered 

 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:35 | 3158280 trav777
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there isn't the money to do anything of the kind

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:40 | 3158316 Zer0head
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That's the effing point - these exec orders will provide the resources -

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:57 | 3158458 mac_daddy
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exec orders need their funding approved by congress, else they are worthless.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

 

"Congress to look for alternative measures to override executive orders such as refusing to approve funding necessary to carry out certain policy measures contained with the order ...."

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:14 | 3158582 Sean7k
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ZH fails to mention that the projected cost is 500 million. This is all money that would have to be appropriated by congress.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:25 | 3158639 FEDbuster
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and printed by Ben.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:57 | 3158869 A Lunatic
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Which is not a problem.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:50 | 3158399 trollin4sukrz
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there isn't the money to do anything of the kind

 

 

fvkin horseshit, they have plenty to kill people around the world daily, they can print more to kill us.. u r an idiot trav

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:55 | 3160298 RockyRacoon
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The facts that the gov't can print money, and Trav being an idiot, are merely coincidental.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:56 | 3158461 lightning
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For most of this you don't need additional money.  That is why most of the mandates concern Obamacare.  They are simply itemizing what medical/mental health providers need to include in their notes.  The notes are what is used to collect payment for a medical service.  A computer will simply be programmed to key in on specific items/terms and will flag your name and SS number as someone unsutible to have a gun permit.  Please note that I am not saying every executive order listed, just some.  Unfortunately, those few are still horrifying.  There will be a few people who won't flag people unecessarily, but with malpractice looming over everyones head, I am afraid that number will be quite small.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:16 | 3158984 Cathartes Aura
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.

There will be a few people who won't flag people unecessarily, but with malpractice looming over everyones head, I am afraid that number will be quite small.

over time, the compliance will be normalised.

the system defines the participants.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:30 | 3159055 MachoMan
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Yes, for people who are on the dole...  private insurance companies won't require this, nor are there any such obligations for self pay folks...

It's simply a regressive tax on guns...  people with the financial means will pay out of pocket and call it a day.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:39 | 3158308 pods
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When I got the Big V years ago the nurse doing the questioning asked me about guns in the house. I flatly asked her why this was related to a vasectomy, and told her I would not answer that question.  No doubt there was a checkbox for those type answers too.

pods

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:51 | 3158412 FEDbuster
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Yep, they asked my 16 year old son a bunch of questions when I was out of the room.  Are there guns in your house, do you feel the need to have a gun, do you do illegal drugs, have you had sex yet......  He answered "no" to everyone of them, except the guns in the house, to which he added "I participate in youth trap and skeet shooting sports, so I have a shotgun."  Next time his response will be "none of your business".

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:04 | 3158501 gatorengineer
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Anyone else smell a grand bargin comming up with a teary eyed Boner....

 

Boner gives Barry a watered down assault weapons ban, in return he gets the promise to cut entitlements in 3 years, and he gives barry a couple trill raise of the debt cap...  Loose loose looose

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:15 | 3158584 FEDbuster
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Of my three reps in the D.C. Whore house, I am only worried about one, John "RINO" McCain.  He is rated a C- at GOA, and he is a lame duck senator.  I could see him voting with Schummer and Feinstein for some anti-2nd bill.  I hope it never makes it to the floor in the House, but who knows what strings are being pulled? 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:17 | 3158596 gatorengineer
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My Rep Charliet Dent who ran originally Tea Party, has now joined No Labels, and has endorsed gay marriage, as well as all of the Porkulus spending.

 

The battle will be in the house, the senate is lost relative to the constitution.  It will be 98-2 with Rubio and Cruz being the only Patriots......

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:27 | 3158654 FEDbuster
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Rand Paul, would make it 97-3.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:18 | 3158988 slightlyskeptical
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"None of your business" equals yes just so you all know. The correct answer is always no. Although I have had sex.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:58 | 3158877 A Lunatic
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So twenty minutes later you picked your penis up off the floor and went home.........lol  ;)

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:56 | 3158456 SilverRhino
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Number 1: just freed up ALL federal agencies (including the IRS) to share data for the NICS check system currently in place. 

Number 2: just trashed HIPAA's privacy guarantees for your health information when it relates to a gun. So now, any time a doctor asks "Do you have guns" or even asks family memebers ... all that information can be collated into the NICS system as well. 

Number 4: Allows the Attorney General to add entire classes of people to the no guns categories in a form 4473. If you make it to the "No Fly" list for the TSA ... kiss your ability to purchase a weapon goodbye. 

Other categories that could be added at the whim of the Attorney General:  Tax deliquents, state CS delinquents, CHL permit denials, basically anything that stops your DL / CHL registration could permanently derail your gun rights now.   

Number 5: Allows for LE officers to perform theft under color of law by requiring background checks before handing your property back to you. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:37 | 3158287 Pairadimes
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If there is only one thing certain about this situation, it is that this list of 23 things is understood differently by its authors than by those of us reading it here. This is where our attentions need to be focused.

Also, if the goal is to boil the frog, the temperature can never be increased too quickly.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:51 | 3158410 Shell Game
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#4 has ALL the bite the control freaks need.

 

You've been corrected.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:55 | 3158443 SheepDog-One
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Exactly, paired up with 'mental health screenings'...what do people think, those wont be retroactive? 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:24 | 3158169 N. B. Forrest
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double post

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:23 | 3158176 ElvisDog
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I agree, a whole lot of nothing. Information exchange between agencies that probably already have the means to get that information. The gun-control zealots must be furious.

My favorite: "Appoint an ATF director"

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:40 | 3158317 Goldust
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DISAGREE.  The meat here is in #2 and #16.  Establishing a practice amongst healthcare professionals whereby they record whether or not you "have guns in the home" into your file.  Fast forward to healthcare reform where said records are able to be accessed by FedGov "only for matters of public health" and POOF.  Nationwide list of gun owners.  Now they don't need to go to your state or gun dealer to get the list.  They have it right there, electronically searchable.  You think all of our clueless wives are going to pick up on that question being nefarious when the pediatrician asks them? Hell no!  They are gonna say "yes, but they are all safely locked up in our gun safe, so don't worry, our child is safe."  It's fucking brilliant really, and it all ends with your door being kicked in and (if you're not shot in the process), confiscation of your weapons at a minimum.  Re-education or worse on the bad side.  Oh, and they will shoot your dog regardless.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:52 | 3158421 Big Corked Boots
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Just lie to them. WTF. They lie to you all the time.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:24 | 3158641 Citxmech
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If you lie and say you don't own guns when you do, and they cross referance your answer with your background application, you could be fucked.

This isn't so simple.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:07 | 3159558 mkhs
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Anyway, background check is a de facto registration.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:15 | 3160130 TBT or not TBT
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The FBI is supposed to chunk those records after X delay, by law.   Now what this adminstration actually does is likely insure say, some No Such Agency or other resource gets to scan those.

Also, the info of who legally has a particular serial number gun is only stored, only on paper, at the FFL's premises.    Naturally state law could impose a registration scheme on top of that federal minimum, and many states do...NY, CA, IL(I think).

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:29 | 3158662 lightning
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That is not the point.  They know you will lie.  What they are going to do is say you can't get a permit because your kid has "emotional issues", your wife is "depressed" or you are taking Ambien which can cause unstable violent behavior.  YOU don't need to say or do ANYTHING.  Your medical information and your families will be used against you.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:52 | 3158425 trollin4sukrz
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if anyone tells a doc there is guns in the house he/she be muderfvkin thupid!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:04 | 3158503 Ident 7777 economy
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+1000

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:41 | 3158734 Rogue Trooper
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"They killed my dog...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDzikoi23mQ

Nothing like a good old .22 LR in the right hands.... 

Molon Labe... Bitches

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:55 | 3158453 j0nx
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If they ask just say no. Don't say none of your business as that response will be taken to mean yes. Just say no.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:44 | 3158767 Jonas Parker
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Hard to say with a straight face when your CCW in it's shoulder holster is hanging on the hook by your clothes in the examination room...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:54 | 3160943 Fedaykinx
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around here they don't even have to ask.  if you don't have a shotgun and a rifle in your house there's something wrong with you.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:57 | 3158465 Husk-Erzulie
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Whole lotta nothing... I am Andrew Cuomo's creeping sense of unease...  LO fuckin' L.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:26 | 3158204 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Dangerous assault-lists like this should be restricted to no more than ten items.

Congressional-style assault legislation should be limited to no more than ten pages.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:24 | 3159031 Cathartes Aura
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gotta love that there are 23 items here. . .

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:51 | 3159478 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Touché.

fnord

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:19 | 3158118 Transformer
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The whole thing was an exercise to judge the reaction of the populace.  From what we have seen in the media, and all across the country, it's pretty obvious.  The sleeping giant is awakening.  This is what they are afraid of.  Try taking the guns and the giant will wake up and be very angry.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:27 | 3158208 ElvisDog
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This is the problem the gun-ban people have. If guns are banned and there is sporadic, isolated opposition - some guy living in the woods who says he won't give up his guns - TPTB can handle that. But if entire towns/counties/states openly defy the gun ban, which just happened in some town in Oregon. What do TPTB do then? It's all a bluff predicated on the hope that 99.9% of the people will be cowed into following the laws. When that doesn't happen (and it won't) then it's game over for the central state.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:34 | 3158270 Captain Benny
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The great states of Wyoming and Nevada are also proposing legislation to clarify that it is a felony to attempt to mandate purchase reporting, gun registration, magazine size limits, and various other restrictions in violation of the 2nd Amendment.

Nevada Assemblyman Jim Wheeler: http://www.wheeler4nevada.org/3/post/2013/01/the-race-for-gun-control-in-america.html

Wyoming's bill is HB0104

 

More states need to clarify that it is THEIR right to regulate THEIR state without FEDERAL mandates and restrictions that violate the oaths of office.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:12 | 3159088 MachoMan
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Absolutely.  I fail to see how this should be allowed to be a federal concern...  just like California is free to ban certain guns and magazines with a capacity over 10 rounds...  [although I completely disagree it is constitutional; it's still a state's rights issue]

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:32 | 3159939 tsx500
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Secession anybody ?.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:43 | 3158762 gnomon
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Citizens who have never been criminals are now being criminalized in Blue States.  The Obummer crowd has already overstepped.  These experiments in gun control/confiscation will go badly in the next year.  The Red States will go more red in 2014, knowing what awaits them if the House goes Blue.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:43 | 3159128 pods
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Any mention of the false left-right paradigm gets a ding from me.

pods

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:34 | 3159076 Cathartes Aura
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Oregon has Ron Wyden, who's very keen to bring drones to the depressed economy (drones already based in Portland). . . they also have Evergreen Air, an admitted see-aye-AE aerosoling operation. . .

and licensed, taxed, permited MedMaryJ revenue.   and a high proportion of the populace are on mind-pharna of some sort, etc. etc.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:45 | 3158778 Banksters
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ANGRY!  VERY ANNNNNNNNGRY!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:12 | 3158039 LukeWorm
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Could it be watered down even more ??

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:18 | 3158097 Zer0head
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this ain't watered down at all (other than some fluff inserted to distract), it is brilliant to the point that people actually see it as being watered down

#15 for example

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:35 | 3158272 Sean7k
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Please explain your issue. A report is unimportant. Seeking safety mechanisms seems pretty straight forward. Maybe I'm missing something, so please illume.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:45 | 3158362 Zer0head
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"Attorney General to issue a report"

(the report is likely written already) the same way an asslicker CEO calls on McKinsey to issue a report on how best to optimize the production facilities and 4 months later with report in hand announces the relocation of the factory in asslick Arkansas to Poco Loco Mexico

the AG will issue a report that says all guns shall be fitted with automatic disabling devices, tracking devices or whatever and that existing guns of a certain classification shall be retrofitted..

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:56 | 3158447 Sean7k
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Which requires LEGISLATION. The AG can't require disabling devices.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:12 | 3158561 NidStyles
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Going to war requires legislation too.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:31 | 3158660 Sean7k
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Yes and no. Plus, no AG has ever declared a war. The abuses of the executive office are legion, but they still are being comitted by the President exclusively.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:07 | 3159264 NidStyles
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AG has all of the powers that the President gives him.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:45 | 3159445 Sean7k
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The attorney general is nominated by the President of the United States and takes office after confirmation by the United States Senate. He or she serves at the pleasure of the president and can be removed by the president at any time; the attorney general is also subject to impeachment by theHouse of Representatives and trial in the Senate for "treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors."

The office of Attorney General was established by Congress by the Judiciary Act of 1789. The original duties of this officer were "to prosecute and conduct all suits in the Supreme Court in which the United States shall be concerned, and to give his advice and opinion upon questions of law when required by the president of the United States, or when requested by the heads of any of the departments."[1] Only in 1870 was the Department of Justice established to support the attorney general in the discharge of his responsibilities

Congress might disagree.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:38 | 3158709 lightning
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You are right, but here is the rub.  If you look through these executive orders they are very clever.  Obama is using federal agencies to do his dirty work.  The one dealing with the CDC is also very alarming.  You all noticed how the DSM-V expanded its contents?  The CDC won't be far behind.  They won't attempt to ban guns which would obviously violate Hellar, but they will use every regulation at their disposal to make it nearly impossible for you to get one.  BEWARE - this list looks benign, but I honestly find it more frightning than if he attempted via executive order to actually ban guns.  This is ten times more dangerous because it appears so benign.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:50 | 3158814 Sean7k
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I don't find them clever, I find them to be a violation of the Congressional exclusivity to create legislation. While the Supreme Court has approved them, this means nothing to me. Fascism is fascism. 

Starting from this point, I never expect the government to be anything other than the brown shirt, goosesteppers that they are. I have no expectations of liberty, freedom from debt slavery or any other ridiculous assumption of natural rights. 

The Elites run this show for themselves. The only safe place is in the folds and creases, and then, only until they have the time to chase down the last bastions of independence. 

What I find discouraging is the number of idiots that think they have some control over the system. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:46 | 3158372 SheepDog-One
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How much are those 'devices' going to cost to make you 'in compliance'? And when they say 'If you own firearms (we have the list so dont try to pretend you dont) you need to report for a psychological screening test'....then they drag out the file of everything youve ever said on ZH, youtube, Twitter, the internet in general....how many of us do you think would 'pass' such a test?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:54 | 3158844 Citxmech
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MDB?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:50 | 3158401 Goldust
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I'll explain a little for him. The main brilliance is in #2 and 16.  Making info on gun ownership part of your health record.  That is their workaround to compile a federal level list of gun owners in America.  Who needs a warrant to examine purchase records at a gun dealer when its right there, plain as day, in your healthcare record... oh, and privacy?  There is an exception for matters of grave public health concern (if there isnt, there will be soon... count on it), and knowing who owns guns is such a matter because some bureaucrat said so.  Bing Bam Boom, your door gets kicked in.  Of course, this is just a baby step.  They aint kicking in doors next week or even next year probably, but they will be, and they know it.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:04 | 3158505 j0nx
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All seems a little moot when they have financial trails from everyone in the past 5 years who has purchased a firearm, any accessory or ammunition for one via credit card. Banks already sort all of your purchases by type anyway. I have no doubt in my mind that all that information doesn't get dumped into an NSA or FBI database somewhere and easily catalogued with name and address. They already know unless you have made EVERY firearm, ammo and and accessory purchase with cash in the past 5 years.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:14 | 3158576 NidStyles
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I have never bought a firearm with anything but cash. The only thing I buy with the debit card are Fiat Ben Bucks.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:18 | 3159613 mkhs
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You think the background check isn't a clue to gun ownership?  I doubt the list gets corzined.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:06 | 3158513 Vooter
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So is my motor vehicle registration a diabolical precursor to the government kicking in my garage door and taking my car?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:14 | 3158583 NidStyles
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There is a difference between revenue generation and threat reduction.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:49 | 3159162 Vooter
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Oh, I see--so you'd be okay with a nation of hundreds of millions of unlicensed Americans driving hundreds of millions of unregistered and uninsured vehicles? Just driving anything they want, wherever they want, without any concern for anyone else's well-being? Just running over your kids, and running into your new car, safe in the knowledge that you'll have no recourse to do anything about it? How about surgeons and airline pilots? No licensing for them, either, right? After all, anyone should be able to operate on anyone else, and hey, I've always wanted to fly a 767 without any training whatsoever...climb aboard!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:20 | 3159319 NidStyles
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Yes, because that is exactly what I just said right?

 

People are completely capable of self-regulating. What you are doing is telling us that you wourself are incapable of this. That means the problem lies within you yourself.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:43 | 3159993 notadouche
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It can be if you continue to neglect it.  Why don't you try it for say 5 years and see what happens and report back to us if your able.  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:06 | 3158514 Ident 7777 economy
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+1; All your base are belong to us, as well as your MED RECS

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:04 | 3158125 Ham-bone
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The appearance of doing something and taking credit while doing nothing...well played sir, well played.

I think there's a term for this....ah yes, POLITICS.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:31 | 3158240 jmcadg
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I thought it already was?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:32 | 3158679 mirac
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There's always Canadian beer.  May I suggest a king cab or two of Labatts Ice...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:22 | 3159013 Cynical_Observer
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American Beer is already watered down. Try our Canadian Beer sometime :)

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:27 | 3159045 zerozulu
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If you cannot protect your constitutional rights, forget your beer, your ass will be kicked.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:44 | 3159133 pupton
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Anything that you consume affects your HEALTH, right?  Get ready for it champ.  They're already on top of your 16oz Coke.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:09 | 3159836 Pumpkin
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Have you ever gone drinking and shooting?  It is an absolute hoot!  Well, except for Uncle Roy.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:18 | 3158065 Pool Shark
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24. Seize firearms from US citizens and ship to Mexican drug lords.

 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:19 | 3158139 Ghordius
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now that could be made illegal with an international treaty as the one that was drafted in the UN

you know, the one that was addressing the international movements of arms

(that's across national borders, for those who don't know what international trade & movements means)

but the NRA went spare, so no way, José

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:26 | 3158199 LynRobison
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Yes, and we all know that international treaties and international law constitute the preeminent body of law to which we must all subject ourselves.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:59 | 3158471 Carl Spackler
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Agreed.

And, what other jokes do the Euro socialist clowns have for us today?

A world currency?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:03 | 3158495 Vooter
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Well, if you don't have to obey international law, then why does anyone have to obey U.S. law? Or the Constitution? Or any law?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:39 | 3158719 RSBriggs
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The US is a soverign country.  Doesn't matter one slut's fuck what "international law" says, the UN doesn't have the right, or the ability to enforce their decisions here, regardless of what they might decide.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:54 | 3158837 Sean7k
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Actually, treaties take precedence over national laws. That is the danger of entering into treaties with international organizations.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:59 | 3158884 Citxmech
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Sort-of.  Yes, treaties are the "law of the land," but with the caveat that they cannot abrogate the US Const.  In other words you cannot use a treaty to effectively amend the Const.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:12 | 3159280 Sean7k
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To the same effect, but more accurate, is Justice Miller’s language for the Court a half century later, in the Head Money Cases: “A treaty is primarily a compact between independent nations. It depends for the enforcement of its provisions on the interest and the honor of the governments which are parties of it.... But a treaty may also contain provisions which confer certain rights upon the citizens or subjects of one of the nations residing in the territorial limits of the other, which partake of the nature of municipal law, and which are capable of enforcement as between private parties in the courts of the country.”271

Never said it could amend the Constitution.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:41 | 3159980 notadouche
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C'mon now you can't tell me that you want law in your community that was drawn up by some prick in France or whereever.   Be careful for what you wish for is all I can say.  Have you wiped your ass with the Declaration of Independence yet or is that the upcoming even by Vooter?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:41 | 3158320 Sean7k
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We don't need a treaty to stop these sales, JUST HAVE THE GOVERNMENTS QUIT MAKING ARMS FOR PROFIT. If there wasn't so much production by the military-industrial complexes, the world over, this would be solved easily. However, when th US, Russia and China (amongst others) are busily supplying all their favorite dictators, rebels and allies, it's pretty darn difficult to slow the trade in international weapon sales. 

Made worse by the resale for profit by said dictators and allies, knowing they can just order up more. 

Laws are never the answer- they merely give competitive advantages to those that write them.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:24 | 3158082 Supernova Born
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Armed protection for students in schools could prevent the next attack.

That is not what Obama wants because another attack will fuel Obama's agenda of unilateral civilian disarmament.

Look at the money spent defending the federal edifice compared to that spent protecting school kids.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:50 | 3158403 Sean7k
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Really? You don't think some whack job can't sit 200 yards from any schoolyard in America and pick off tens of kids at recess or lunch break or a football game? The only security lies in knowing our communities well enough and be active ehough to minimize these types of actions. 

Guns aren't the problem, people are the problem. How do we manage this particular aspect? It will be best solved by local communities and neighbors. By economic security. By parents that are involved and kids that are taught to respect others. 

Civilization creates security through its' laws, mores and treatment of the people. When you become a militaristic fascist state, you have to expect a higher level of violence. We teach it, we glorify it and we reward it. 

Soldiers are heroes here, but terrorists and murderers everywhere else. Our unwillingness to face this juxtaposition results in todays level of violence.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:26 | 3158646 NidStyles
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You are confusing nationalism with society. Civilizations are built on top of voluntary societies. There is no single one society in any "Nation". It is a mesh of societies that tend to agree or get along with each other. Civilizations happen because of the 'Natural Law's' that are formed between those societies, not the other way around. What you described is blind Nationalism.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:41 | 3158736 Sean7k
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Nationalism is a type of society. I have confused nothing. Please find any example of systemic voluntary society in history. Nor did I imply a "single" society- communities are individual, not part of a borg collective. 

Civilizations happen because someone or group has wielded power and influence to create a network of laws and security that endures for a period of time. Natural laws are a philosophical device. They are utopian in the face of deliberate fascism and State control. 

What I have described is nothing more than the standard sociological process of community that occurs pre-civilization and in the US- the current facsist State. Nationalism is but one aspect of fascism. 

You might want to think before you write.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:25 | 3159344 NidStyles
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Nationalism is a systematic method of destroying natural societies to over-ride it with a false state created artificial society.

 

Civilizations are not about power, they are about cooperation.

 

You might want to take your own advice and perhaps actually look up the definitions involved and look at historical references to understand this. You are telling me the same BS that they teach in State ran schools that is complete nonsense.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:55 | 3159491 Sean7k
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Nationalism is nothing more than the use of patriotism to further the goals of the State.There are no "natural" societies, outside of small clan based groups.  Something you fail to give examples of. 

Civilzations cannot exist without power and the exercise of it which precludes cooperation. Unless you think forced coercion is a form of cooperation. Of course, you can always consult the people conquered by civilizations to find out how much cooperation was involved. Everyone just loved the Romans, Huns, European powers, the US. 

As for your last paragraph- citations please. You are full of shit. I study history. Real history, none of that crap you're taught in most universities and state schools. I have given examples for my definitions- you are just spewing crap.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:31 | 3159057 paterphysi
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How dare you make sense Sean7k.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:00 | 3158481 Vooter
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"Armed protection for students in schools could prevent the next attack."

Really? What if the next attack is in a bowling alley?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:27 | 3158655 NidStyles
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Random hypotheticals do not change the reality that people that are able to defend themselves are safer than people that are relying on others to obey rules created by some external body.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:43 | 3158758 Sean7k
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Please provide a statisical example. Your statement flies in the face of why societies form in the first place.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:27 | 3159363 NidStyles
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FFS none of you have read any history outside of those school textbooks it seems. It's like talking to a wall with most of you, all I draw is blank stares and incomprehension. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:56 | 3159510 Sean7k
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Then you must have many examples to buttress your case. Haven't seen anything beyond opinion and bluster, but maybe that's what they taught you in "history".

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:46 | 3161220 Matt
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Most societies were formed prior to firearms. Before firearms, people needed the protection of the strong, to protect them from the predators. The United States is one of the only nations to be formed, after firearms. Historically, America has had an armed citizenry.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:00 | 3160534 notadouche
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Well, they will all be killed because they will have nothing to fight back with.  I hate to break the news to you but the guy that's going to attack a bowling alley will not be the one turning his weapon in to the authorities.  So that guy will feel like he's shooting fish in a barrell and they will all die.  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:51 | 3159175 Libertarian777
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one thing I find the NRA is completely off course is suggesting we have armed policemen/guards from the governemnt in schools.

So the whole argument is we need the 2nd amendment as protection from government tyranny, yet the very idea of an armed policeman in each school is exactly tyranny as envisaged.

It wouldn't surprise me to find North Korea has armed guards at all their schools.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:04 | 3159243 paterphysi
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You hit the nail on the head of the bullshit.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:03 | 3159244 paterphysi
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You hit the nail on the head of the bullshit.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:27 | 3159367 NidStyles
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The government always wants it's agents near the children, it has a vested interest in controlling their upbringing.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:11 | 3158032 slaughterer
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Now it is safe to pile back into RGR.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:15 | 3158078 Blano
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Gun prices may actually become cheaper now since none of these EO's actually does anything.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:20 | 3158154 ReallySparky
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Agreed this is a big nothing burger.  As usual he is all talk, no action, no leadership and unwilling to take a stand.  Different dance, same song.  Although I keep wondering why they carried on this charade so long and leaked so much to the media.

 

 

 

Disclosure: Heavily invested in Smith & Wesson personally.  Not in favor or gun control.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:50 | 3160025 tsx500
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He's just getting started. Just wait until the next (FF ?) mass shooting here in the good ole USSA. Will most likely happen sooner rather than later.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:12 | 3158043 Bad Attitude
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Dear Leader lies whenever he speaks. Anything he calls "common sense" doesn't make sense, doesn't survive a factual analysis.

"Gun control" isn't about guns. It is about CONTROL.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:10 | 3158539 Ident 7777 economy
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Bad Attitude:

" Dear Leader lies whenever he speaks. Anything he calls "common sense" doesn't make sense, doesn't survive a factual analysis. "

Dear Leader, as dysfunctional as they come. 10x worse than the worse psychopath ex-girlfriend.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:35 | 3158278 SILVERGEDDON
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#25. Impeach any office holder who messes with the Second Amendment in any way shape or form.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:47 | 3158375 Falconsixone
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Just one "shall not be infringed".

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:11 | 3158493 LongSoupLine
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The single best fucking thing BarryO can do to fucking protect Americans from gun violence is to hang Eric Fuckstick Holder by his fucking neck until dried shit dead in a public square.

 

Fuck you D.C. political fucks.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:19 | 3158607 Glasater55
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WH doesn't know how to count.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:08 | 3159263 zdk45
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How'd the fat finger algo fb gov graph search reports look like? beuler? ZH?  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:07 | 3157981 Karlus
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Basically nothing....ha ha

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:17 | 3158111 mick68
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Obummer felt the heat and did what all cowards do, he caved. But, notice all the social changes this will lead to, which will slowly turn society against gun owners.

So, in the end Obama did it the Obama way, slow burn. Just like Syria, the economy, and everything else.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:25 | 3159346 Cynthia
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The ludicrous fiction that Obama is a “good guy” at heart is all that shelters the bankrupt liberal class from the dark reality of national security state America. We are a nation that has been taught to admire our secret police and fear anyone who challenges authority. Public opinion increasingly favors the torture of captives, travelers meekly line up to be body scanned; and the silence of notionally liberal institutions (universities, media, and the church) is deafening.

Much of this evisceration of American liberalism was accomplished by smiling Barak Obama: the destruction of the anti-war movement; the suppression of whistle-blowers; the enrichment of Wall Street criminals at public expense; and the abandonment of regulatory law enforcement. Behold our great liberal President. When comes such another?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:07 | 3157989 Flakmeister
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Will any Hedgehogs suffer an apoplectic stroke as a result of this?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:12 | 3158045 fuu
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See you do troll.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:16 | 3158105 otto skorzeny
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don't bother-he's a Mossad shit-stirrer

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:25 | 3158187 Flakmeister
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By the standards of this site, you have to be joking...

I was only expressing my concern that some of our more ardent supporters of gun rights might not be able to deal with this setback...

In the grand scheme of things you can always hide a gun or two, but given the Patriot act you literally have to unplug from society to be sure that you are not being spied on.... Where the fuck is the equivalent of the NRA outrage when it comes to that?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:29 | 3158218 fuu
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Your faux concern was touching, and the hallmark of a good troll.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:30 | 3158238 Overfed
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I wish to God that there was a lobbying group as strong as NRA and GOA for fourth and fifth amendment issues. And property rights in general.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:44 | 3158353 seek
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The EFF is a start: https://www.eff.org/

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:57 | 3158468 Calmyourself
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Hey Flak, back off troll boy or Gaia gets it! Thats right, five gallons of waste oil on the fire pit..  I burn the christmas tree if I have too...  You've been warned GW boy..

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:02 | 3158488 Flakmeister
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You do seem to be easily self-amused...

Remember to be up-wind and be sure post a YT for us...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:08 | 3160340 Calmyourself
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Folks with 150 year data sets predicting the most chaotic system on earth flinging monkey poop accusations and I'm self amused,  pot=black meet flak...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:43 | 3160679 Flakmeister
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Yawn....

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