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Obama's 23 Executive Gun Control Actions

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The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

 

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Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:27 | 3158651 inevitablecollapse
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good luck getting the required 100,000 signatures to get an answer on this petition - oh, what's that, you didn't know they changed it from 25,000 to 100,000 required signatures - 'raising the bar'....

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:14 | 3158966 RSBriggs
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I'm a proud #2 signer of your petition.  Guess that puts me on the dangerous list.  Molone Labe...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:28 | 3158223 mckee
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I like that our administration is consulting kids on this issue. When you don't have the answers it makes sense to go to the experts. Item #24 is to make it a federal crime to shoot the easter bunny.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:28 | 3158224 Cheater5
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LMFAO:

 

All of this is bullshit.  The little pussy boy backed down in the face of real resistence (kind of makes you think that Romney should have shown that he has a pair during the election).  No all we have to do is wait for the liberal fucktards to slink back to their holes knowing that their champion isn't going to do shit  (brave little fucks aren't they).

 

The good thing is that we are probably going to have a lot of "used" guns come back onto the market now from people who panicked....  Think Murphy, Ackroid and Frozen Concentrated OJ. 

 

Cheers.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:34 | 3158262 Dr. Engali
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I hope you don't sincerely believe that. If you read any of their sites the most important thing they want right now is a national gun registry. They are nowhere near finished with this. Watch the behind the scenes work too.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:43 | 3158341 Cheater5
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I believe that right now they have the most momentum and they can't get anything done.  Harry Reid has even said he can't get anything throught the D controlled senate much less the R house (which isn't going to do shit on this).  My guess is that ALL of these bills (including the one submitted by "pistol packing momma" Diane Feinstein) will be allowed to die without a vote.  That doesn't mean that we relax.  We need to continue to hammer these assholes again and again.  BUT, it does mean that Obammy isn't going to try to do anything through executive order (which I think was the biggest risk). 

So yeah its kind of a win, and that's a good thing......

 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:24 | 3158575 Dr. Engali
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Two words....mental health.  So Mr. Cheater you believe you have rights beyond what the government tells you? Well I am forced to diagnose you as mentally unfit. Now are there any guns in the house? I know there are because of the national registry. We need you to turn those in sir.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:31 | 3158671 Cheater5
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Where in this executive order is the creation of a national gun registry specified?

And by the way, lighten the fuck up.  WHAT HAPPENED TODAY WAS ESSENTIALLY MEANINGLESS AND WAS ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BETTER THEN WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.  THIS IS A GOOD THING!!!!!!!!

Once again, we are not done (we probably never will be), but smile a bit.  OBAMA ESSENTIALLY BACKED DOWN ON ANYTHING SERIOUS TODAY....... IN OTHER WORDS 2nd AMENDMENT SUPPORTERS FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:12 | 3158942 Dr. Engali
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I'm sorry but I take the 1st and 2nd amendments dead serious. Any attack on them or any giving ground on them is unacceptable in my eyes.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:16 | 3158977 DosZap
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I'm sorry but I take the 1st and 2nd amendments dead serious. Any attack on them or any giving ground on them is unacceptable in my eyes.

Bingo, the 2nd is the most important, WHEN it's gone, ALL the rest are toilet paper.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:32 | 3159384 kralizec
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Damn straight.

Nothing between Obama and our guns but a bunch of feckless weak-spined E-GOP bed-wetting Pubbies.

We are the only guards of our rights!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:25 | 3159033 Cheater5
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You don't have to appologise, but to me you seem like a WW2 bomber pilot whose just brought his plane and crew back from a mission over Berlin and is all down in the dumps about a small scratch on his airplane. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:19 | 3159001 Cheater5
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You know what?  I figured out why you're in such a bad mood.  What are you long about 100k rounds of 5.56, 7.62x39 and 9mm? Did you just buy a palet's worth of PMags and have them stashed somewhere safe?

Dude quit talking up your book...  It's just not cool..... 

 

Having said that, I'll take some your "inventory" for 10 cents on the dollar....

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:44 | 3159131 Dr. Engali
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I won't be selling any "inventory" my shelves have been full long before the craziness started. I intend on keeping it that way. But I will be buying off of weak hands in the years to come.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:42 | 3158746 agNau
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I agree on the hammering. I believe we should continually confront them on this and all of their Constitutional attacks.
I am tired of them leading. We need to put them back inside their box!

Stay on this with them.

AND stay on the LIBOR SCANDAL!!!!

2nd & SH have been used to conceal and divert attention from LIBOR.

CALL & DEMAND YOUR MONEY BACK FROM THE BANKS.
Tell them we bailed the banks out once, and now they steal from us again!
Say you want your money back and all US citizens money back!
THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ALLOWED THE THEFT!!!!

HAMMER THEM!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:59 | 3158474 Cheater5
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Oh and if you doctor starts giving you lectures about guns, I suggest the following*

1. Read some of John Lott's statistical work

2. Ask the Doctor if he has read any of Lott's work

3. If the answer to 2 is No then ask him/her why they haven't read any of the more signficant peer reviewed studies in the area before making a medical recomendation

4. Then ask them if they believe in the scientific method - that should shut them the fuck up.....

 

*This assumes your doctor is actually anti-gun.  If this is not the case, I suggest a discussion of the relative merits of striker fired vs single action hammer fired pistols....

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:18 | 3159308 resurger
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lol

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:18 | 3159309 resurger
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lol

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:29 | 3158225 paint it red ca...
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"Politico notes that there are strong indications that any comprehensive legislation restricting weapons and/or ammunition won't even see a vote on the House floor"

As it should be.

However, it came to me some weeks back that since hedge funds have vested interests buried in strong anti gun rhetoric by politicians, presently the whole 'gun control' issue may be a tempest in a teacup while manufacturers and retailers rake in record profits. I worked in an atmosphere surrounded by militia types popular in the 1990's and watched in wonder while they drove the gun market to record heights in the wake of slick willie's 96 reelection. I recall one individual was threatened divorce for buying guns, any gun, rather than paying the utility bills.

I suspect now, a political favor has been handed to the present ownership of weapons companies and distributors. If the issue dry's up in coming months, I think my suspicions correct.

If correct, the public has once again been politically and economically gamed when they could least afford it..

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:12 | 3158568 Ace Ventura
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This makes sense, and there is a very good likelihood that a temporary favor was granted to some corporate insiders at these arms manufacturers. However, what you must remember is that in the end.....civilian disarmament has been, and always will be, a priority goal of the vampires currently heading elite circles around the world. They've done it in the past, and they've been trying to get it done here since Day 1.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:24 | 3159027 j0nx
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This time is much different. Anyone who lived through the others can tell you that. They ARE coming for your guns. It may not be this week or next but it will be sometime in the next 4 years.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:42 | 3159120 secret_sam
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Care to wager on that?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:28 | 3161304 Matt
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I'm sure there is/will be an InTrade propositional bet open.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:39 | 3159104 gnomon
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There is a long game going on here by Obummer and crew.  Obummer saw the fierce resistance out in the hinterlands and decided to retreat slightly, hoping that he can get both the House and the Senate in 2014.  He thinks he can do that with his intransigence on entitlement reform, and the lack of any good strategic alternatives by the Republicans.

Once he has both the House and the Senate Feinstein's bill can pass.  And we can all be in the same shape as New York State.

Or alternatively he is waiting for another massacre, (conveniently right before the 2014 election), to pound gun confiscation again to go along with the economic mess, (which the MSM defines in the way that favors him the most).

 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:43 | 3159430 paint it red ca...
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A friend of mine pointed out that "When not If" even secondary registration of personal defense guns is required, Home Depot sales of 6 inch PVC pipe and pipe caps will soar.....

He is most certainly right about that.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:30 | 3158236 Frank N. Beans
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#14, get the CDC involved.  Really??  Because gun violence is a communicable viral disease? 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:36 | 3158282 HD
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Now give credit where credit is due. The CDC did cure that outbreak of "Boogie Fever" in the 70s - they are great at stopping imaginary diseases.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:31 | 3158241 SillySalesmanQu...
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Thank You Tyler and ZH for your usual exemplary reporting. I am sure that this post will generate a record amount of reads and comments.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:32 | 3158246 chaartist
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Something big must be happening behind when they act so fast on very "suspicious" mass shooting. I only now realize that this is what we were talking about some time ago, that the change will be so fast. And I see this as a breaking point in sentiment. I don't know how much more control can US friends take.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:33 | 3158254 Seasmoke
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Sandy Hook , Line and Sinker

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:33 | 3158256 gdiamond22
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These are just bland. If he issues EOs to infringe on the rights to bear arms (mag restrictions/weapons bans, etc) then there is impeachment cause. I highly doubt any of the real issues will pass Congress, hopefully. If it does, well, there goes the last line of rights we have.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:08 | 3158257 TomGa
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As expected, all of this crap just to give "Smirkin' Joe" Biden an opportunity to appear "presidential" in the lead up to 2016.  LOL.  What a waste.

 

Talk about politicking on the graves of children....

 

The blatant issues are in #4 defining "dangerous people."  What does this include?  Someone who disagrees with the Pres?  #13 "Maximize enforcement efforts" -- pretty broad and open ended, and #21 and #22 - how will mental conditions be defined?  Considering liberalism is a dangerous mental illness, shouldn't we  disarm all liberals immediately?

 

Obama's problem with private intrastate sales and background checks is that there is no Federal nexus.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:33 | 3158260 The Boognish
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The desire to own a gun is abnormal and represents manifestation of deviant behavior therefore anyone applying to purchase a gun is de facto mentally unstable and cannot be trusted with a gun.

This is kind of a joke but defining mental illness is for the most part subjective. Who defines mental illness? The government. What agents will be used to determine mental health? Government proxies, which now will apparently include you family doctor (Order #16).

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:41 | 3158324 Catullus
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The sophistry called psychiatry

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:54 | 3158434 arby63
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Another reason to avoid doctors at all costs.....that and they kill you!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:45 | 3158266 agNau
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#16 is an automatic #17 which moves one rapidly towards #22 and review of stability/removal of guns.
? What will we discover when "we see what's in it" is the incentive for doctors to diagnose one mentally ill?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:35 | 3158276 Falconsixone
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One piece left on the chess board.

 

If I hear you gun'n I'll come run'n...

 

Write that down government.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:37 | 3158291 negative rates
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I wish the politicians would have thought that way about raising the usury rate that was in effect for 2000 years, would have saved a lot of headaches today over it.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:38 | 3158296 Seasmoke
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can someone remind what the ZH signal is ???......dont want any friendly fire during the Civil War

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:56 | 3158457 Kastorsky
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BTFD

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:12 | 3158565 Calmyourself
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Just yell BITCHEZZZZZ...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:38 | 3158299 tooriskytoinvest
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The real reason Obama wants to disarm the American people: The Feudal Reserve Bank's giant Ponzi scheme is imploding!

http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-real-reason-obama-wants-to-disarm-the...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:56 | 3158454 Kastorsky
Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:39 | 3158304 ramacers
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the jews say "never again" ; they and the rest of us seemingly "never learn".

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:39 | 3158307 Catullus
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What's funny is that none of the above actions would have done anything about mass shootings.

Provide more training = spending more money on worthless government employees.

When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:52 | 3158413 SheepDog-One
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Right, what was Sandy Hook? Supposedly some totaly whacked-out kid stole his moms firearms? If anything, its her fault drectly, but even if theyre in a safe cant someone in that house sneak the combo or key? Its all just ass hattery.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 22:28 | 3164975 bunnyswanson
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8&list=LLZZ8y4r4xv4fUNmozg2i4_w&bpctr=1358477650

A skit.  Crisis actors.  Crime scene pics never disclosed.  90 days of sealed records.  But why why whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy you ask.

Forced labor.

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/auschwitz/ForcedLabor.htm

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:40 | 3158314 Rustycakes
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If Obama would get serious about #7, it would save a lot of lives, and make this whole political event valuable.  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:40 | 3158315 MachoMan
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Am I the only one that's missing something here...  If NYC and IL can pass gun laws, then why is this a federal issue?  Why is this not a states' rights issue?  I don't understand how or why there is a federal need for measures...  [in other words, california has already implemented ban of certain weapons and magazines].

There isn't any indication that school shooters or anyone else connected with recently publicized shootings crossed state lines from one "lax" state to another "strict" state...  or that the stream of commerce was involved... 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:41 | 3158327 BlueCheeseBandit
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I hereby issue an executive order to law enforcement to start protecting the citizens and otherwise enforcing the law...doing a good job from now on...seriously...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:42 | 3158329 Meat Hammer
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Did anybody else hear him say, "Fuck those cracker-crumb Founding Fathers and their bitch-ass Constitution all up in my way n shit!"

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:52 | 3158333 americanspirit
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If you would like to sign the petition asking the President to require an annual mental examination for all public employees who carry a gun here is the URL   https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/require-independent-annual-mental-health-examinations-all-federal-and-state-employees-authorized/ZptpJGCw

 

 Just got an email from the site saying that until the petition gets 150 signatures it can only be accessed through http://wh.gov/EAhF

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:30 | 3159376 RSBriggs
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I'm signer #2 on your petition.  Hang together or all hang separately kind of thing.....

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:44 | 3158345 dexter_morgan
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Well, I was prepared for worse. I can actually agree with some of these, but I really wish they would start enforcing laws already on the books instead of coming up with new crap.

How will they measure the effectiveness of this?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:06 | 3158518 Dr. Engali
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I'm glad to hear that you agree with the whittling away at your God given rights. I for one am not. And if you think they will stop here you have another thing coming.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:21 | 3159327 dexter_morgan
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I don't think crazy people should have guns is all I agree with, and if you've read any of my other posts on this topic you would know I am not in favor of over-turning the 2nd amendment. Of course they will keep trying, that is why we have to keep fighting them, but I had envisioned a NY state type of executive order, which this does not appear to be.

C'mon guys, are we really against background check and keeping guns out of the hands of insane people? Some of the crap is worthless in there, but I agree with those.

I am also for mandatory sentencing of criminals that use a gun in the commision of a crime whether it is discharged or not.  If discharged, then longer sentence or the chair if anyone is murdered. Does that make me a liberal too? I think that would be a lot more effective in reducing homicides than these bans they speak of would be.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:34 | 3159383 mumbo.jumbo
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"I really wish they would start enforcing laws already on the books"

before you write anything like that...

do you know how many pages the federal code consists of? if not, then may i recommend you to revert back to reading?

if you're interested, it's around 200000 pages, and it takes about a decade to read it assuming you read around 500 pages a week.

and the corollary of this: http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx or in short: an average american commits 3 felonies a day. (book reachable from the site)

and to finish off with a quote, already formulated some 2 millenniums ago:

Tacitus, 117 AD: "Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges." (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.)

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:44 | 3158347 ZeroFreedom
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More BS from the Tyrants in Washington.

Time to just ignore them and continue on.

They cannot arrest everybody or can they?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:44 | 3158348 ZeroFreedom
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More BS from the Tyrants in Washington.

Time to just ignore them and continue on.

They cannot arrest everybody or can they?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:14 | 3159287 Ookspay
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Why not? Obama told holder to stop enforcing immigration law and DOMA, just to name a few. We should decide which laws we want to ignore, works for me, I'm keeping my 30 round mags and rifles.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:44 | 3158349 ZeroFreedom
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More BS from the Tyrants in Washington.

Time to just ignore them and continue on.

They cannot arrest everybody or can they?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:47 | 3159450 Jocanada
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Americans voted for "change"

Now ....eat you peas.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:45 | 3158354 Kastorsky
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4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

 

Attorney General the gun smuggler?

Good call!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:40 | 3158729 SmallerGovNow2
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Fast and furious is the first thing that came to my mind when I read that...  What a farcical joke...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:45 | 3158359 Clayton Bigsby
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All I gotta say is "Whoopie Fucking Doo"

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:45 | 3158363 robnume
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Beam in on me, baby! Quick, to the backgroundcheckmobile, Batman!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:46 | 3158368 rtalcott
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Print your own 30 round AR15 magazine

http://hackaday.com/2013/01/15/print-your-own-30-round-ar15-magazine/

Here’s a 30 round magazine for an AR15, made just in time to add to the national conversation over things that look scary.

This magazine is the product of Defense Distributed who have previously graced the front page of Hackaday with their 3D printed scary bang bang machine. While continuing to work on their WikiWeapon – a gun printable on a home-built 3D printer – the team decided they could subvert more obtuse gun laws by making their own high-capacity magazine.

The magazine is printed on an extremely expensive commercial 3D printer, but the team is working to make it printable on more affordable models. The prototype magazine survived unloading a full 30 rounds. Video demo of that after the break.

Also on Defense Distributed’s DEFCAD is a sound moderator for paintball and air guns. While the design isn’t yet finalized for those big scary assault weapons, it should be possible to modify it for the big guns.  One of their next projects is a stock, hopefully one that includes a hinge.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:48 | 3159455 SilverRhino
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Actually the STL files that are posted over at DefCad.org will work on the ROBO $600 3D printer. 

Considering the strength of the mags ... just make them disposable.   

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:47 | 3158379 Son of Loki
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"Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

 

My doctor barely has enough time to ask me real medeical questions let alone asking about this irrelevant stuff (which is none of his bizniss anyway).

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:05 | 3158509 djsmps
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You actually get to see the doctor?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:21 | 3158617 strayaway
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“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”  -Dr. Joseph Mengele

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:48 | 3158384 optimator
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And start hiring friends and relatives NOW to implement all this stuff.  Great new way to increse spending money we don't have.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:48 | 3158386 monopoly
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A national dialogue. Yes that is what we need. Lets chat. This president will have a legacy worse than Jim Carter, if that is even possible. What a waste of an office. When is Michele's next vacation with Mom?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:49 | 3158390 SheepDog-One
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'Mental health parity regulations'...thats the real meat of the 23 as far as Im concerned....wait until the letters go out with the list of firearms you own and the date youre to show up for your 'good gun owner mental health screening'...do you really believe you'll pass? Recall everything you've ever written or said in videos on the internet.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:18 | 3158606 strayaway
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I wonder about who pays for the mental health screening and what it will cost. Shrinks will owe Democrats for all the new business.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:52 | 3158411 joego1
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This all just an excuse to get a profile of the opposition.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:53 | 3158429 SheepDog-One
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For what? So they can 'swoop in and get us'? Whatever let them try.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:52 | 3158414 Shizzmoney
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Nice to see the politicians hard at work.

Ironic that as gun regulations increase in Massachusetts, New York......*my* taxes go up. 

Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

Don't worry; when hospitals start turning away patients because they don't have enough money to take care of their sick children, these "threats" will come to you.

The movie "John Q" was just a preview.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:51 | 3158415 Mad Mohel
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Glad we got BO another time around. The man said from the start he didn't want to take anyones guns. Today he kept his word.

 Mitt Roomney would have for sure handed down a harsh Mass. style AWB.

:D

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:54 | 3158441 Cult of Criminality
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4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

LOL

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:55 | 3158449 Vooter
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You people sure think about guns a lot....

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:05 | 3158506 notadouche
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Actually the politicans and the media keep the gun conversation up.  "We people" didn't start this conversation, didn't get invited to the conversations and in fact our opinions are of no concern to anyone.  I'm curious which "people" have fixated on this topic this year.  The people in the crowd or the programmers of media content and politicians?    So of course when some topic is printed and there is a place to voice an opinon it is entirely appropriate for "we people" to spew thoughts on the subject.  It would be kind of stupid to discuss "Germany's repatriation of gold" on a story discussing the president's executive order bullet points list concerning gun control.  (pun intended)

If you didn't want to open yourself up to "gun talk" why read the story dealing with gun issues and I also assume that no one "had a gun to your head" forcing you to read the comments section so I wonder WTF dude?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:08 | 3158924 Vooter
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"If you didn't want to open yourself up to "gun talk" why read the story dealing with gun issues and I also assume that no one "had a gun to your head" forcing you to read the comments section so I wonder WTF dude?"

You're starting to foam at the mouth, DUDE...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:16 | 3158980 notadouche
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Actually if you read it without emotion it's a perfectly legitmate question posed.  I don't know what you expected the topic to be on this particular story.  In fact you are the one that felt the need to do an all caps thing so perhaps you are the one with the foam.  I assure you I  have no foam and not that this would be any of your business but I don't even own a gun, never have so I'm not easily labeled some "gun nut" which I assume the "foam at the mouth" might allude to.  I'll take it a step further.  I voted for Obama the first time but as that great orator George Bush stated, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, er huh hmm huh huh, you can't get fooled again".

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:23 | 3159025 notadouche
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Just so you know I haven't given you a down arrow on any of your post.  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:10 | 3158547 Mad Mohel
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Guns n Fuckin, the real American pastimes. You got a problem with that pooter?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:05 | 3158905 Vooter
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YAWN...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:56 | 3158450 Bastiat
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Here's a typical irony:  the mentally ill who own weapons or want to,  will be discouraged from seeking any kind of therapeutic help.  This applies (especially) to vets wotj PTSD and brain trauma.  The consequence is that there will be more untreated unbalanced gun owners. 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:58 | 3158473 Vooter
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"Here's a typical irony: the mentally ill who own weapons or want to, will be discouraged from seeking any kind of therapeutic help."

Discouraged by whom?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:12 | 3158555 notadouche
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Discouraged by the notion that if you happen to take Prozac or some other shit then you could be possibly labeled "mentally unstable" and be banned from owning any type of gun.  If you felt the need to own a gun why would you ever agree to take something like that.  I know my doctors push two things,  antibiotics and antidepressants for the slightest complaint.  No longer can you answer a doctor's question with an honest answer without some pill being able to "fix that" when you weren't looking for a fix and you were just answering honestly to your doctor.     

Sounds like your being intentionally obtuse.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:55 | 3158452 caimen garou
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the north koreans have found a way to take over the world with the first bullshit vaporizing gun! it seems that they will conduct test on the country with the largest amounts of bullshit, I'm afraid the US is in a tie with the UK.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:56 | 3158459 notadouche
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I wouldn't be so sure that this list isn't filled with teeth that is being intentionally withheld from view.  Lull everyone into a false sense of security about this "meaningless" piece of "legislation" as it doesn't sound to onerous.  Polls come out and stating "78% of Americans strongly support Obama's gun control plan" so of course it gets accepted with little inspection but much praise.  Pleas from NRA and 2nd amendment advocates for the fine print are ignored due to it not being fleshed out yet.  Suddenly wikileaks gets the fine print, releases and "holy shit" gasp many americans as they realize the the only firearm allowed by 88% of the people are Daisy BB guns.  Police, Feds, political elites, 1%'ers, athletes and hollywood and media elites of course are all exempted from the rules because it is deemed they really need protection from the 88% that have been disarmed.  

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:07 | 3158522 Duke Dog
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I couldn't agree more! Wait until thousands of pages of new "regulations" are issed to implement these "actions" signed today. Then consider the couple thousand pages included in ACA - that had to be passed to know what's in it. These actions seem to focus on "health" related issues - I think we will soon find out "what in the ACA legislation". Then think of the tens of million, if not over 100m - which I'm pretty sure it is, Americans that are currently taking prescription "sleep and/or mood enhancing drugs" that will be identified as "dangerous" and not eligible for gun ownership - and more likely, guns will not be allowed in any "home/domicile" of any "dangerous" individual.

They haven't even started yet. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:58 | 3158469 alfbell
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It's too damn bad that the American people as a whole have become too low scale, apathetic, fearful, disconnected, uncausative, pre-occupied, etc. (I include myself in this.)
If this wasn't the case, most all of Congress would be dragged out onto the commons and lynched. From that point on, government representatives would do their jobs well and honestly with the good of the country and its future in mind instead of their own personal gain. They'd wear that hat the way it was intended to be worn by our Founders... or else.
We've lost the courage, daring, bravery and inclination to be vigilant and to fight for our rights. If citizens today had the character of the early farmers, pioneers, mountainmen, militia, etc. of our past... our politicians would be scared shitless of being caught involved in any shenanigans.
We're all wishy washy wimps. Our highest level of causation is to vent and criticize on blogs such as this one.
Wimps deserve what they get.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:43 | 3159125 Hugh_Jorgan
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So...basically unnecessarily grow the Federal Government and prepare for the NEXT massacre, at which time the Federal Government will follow New York's lead and rush sweeping legislation into law, contrary to the US Constitution. I wonder what comes after that?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 13:59 | 3158470 jmac2013
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I have a couple more.

24. Cease solving international disputes with bombs, invasions and violence.  It sends a bad message to people everywhere that if you have a problem the use of force will resolve it.

25. Stop supporting Hollywood and it's glorifying violence.  How many shows and movies where the "hero" defeats the "bad guys" with a gun or use of violence?  Teaches kids and adults that might is right.

I'm totally against violence and the promotion of it.  Stop living under the morals and values promoted by your hollywood and military industrial complex masters.  Peace and love brothers and sisters.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:00 | 3158479 Lmo Mutton
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Fucktard

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:03 | 3158489 alangreedspank
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12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

Duck and cover!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:24 | 3158636 Bastiat
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No kidding.  What is that ass-clown talking about?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 02:05 | 3159124 geekgrrl
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I heard a radio show the day after the Oregon mall shooting, and apparently there has been a shift in strategy for these kinds of mass shootings. In the past, first responders would show up at the scene and wait for the SWAT team. But as was the case in the Oregon mall shooting, first responders entered immediately and shot the guy. As a result, only one person died and one injured (if I remember correctly).

Edit: I didn't remember correctly. According to a report: "Three people were killed, including the shooter, said Lt. James Rhodes of the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office. The shooter died of a self-inflicted gunshot, he said. One person suffered a traumatic injury."

The change in strategy probably reflects the fact that many people with homocidal ideation are also suicidal - empirically speaking, so chances are good that with confrontation, they'll off themselves and end the ordeal.

The bigger question is why are there all these people on pharma drugs that want to kill others and then themselves? If there is one common theme I've seen in all these mass killings, it's SSRIs and other psycho-pharma poisons.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:03 | 3158490 hotrod
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Guess Obama just won the debt ceiling infinite increase.  These gun orders not really punitive or violating the 2nd.  Congress owes him a favor now, Right? Strategic default.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:03 | 3158498 Falconsixone
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13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute (prosecute = preform, discharge, execute, conduct) gun crime.

Lawyers know that they wrote it.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:08 | 3158525 Falconsixone
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Funny that ones #13

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:03 | 3158500 the iD
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while he subjugates the entirety of this country's children and their children's children to a life of debt servitude and wage slavery. i would rather die at the end of a gun, fighting, than die at the end of CHAINS, kneeling. you do not have my consent. you do not represent me, nor do you represent my children, born or yet borne, who you intend to tax and control. you may not impede me from exercising my natural borne rights, those endowed upon me by my creator: to speak my mind; to be secure in my affects, property, and liberty; to have justice and due process of law; to do to my body as i see fit; to protect myself and my rights and the lives and rights of others by ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

this is just the latest instance of your breach of contract, hence, i am no longer obligated to abide by the social contract in which you espouse verbally yet defy by your actions daily. your rules and regulations are null and void and i shall no longer comply where i deem fit based upon a greater moral code derived from my individual perceptions and knowledge, as all humans, even yourself with your own distorted perceptions, ultimately do.

-iD

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:14 | 3158578 Falconsixone
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Yeah....I laughed when he got the childrens opinions on it. If children wrote policy we'd be fine. What's on their minds is where's candy, not how can I kill all the people on the planet.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:24 | 3158640 Falconsixone
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Most of which (people) can't see it and will scratch your eyes out (lol) for the power brokers.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:28 | 3158656 strayaway
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Using the background of children as a human screen was, psychogically, a nice touch though.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:46 | 3158783 the iD
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"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."

--- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:28 | 3159665 lakecity55
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"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."

----Barry Soetoro, Dreams from my Father.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:06 | 3158517 AnAnonymous
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Nothing unexpected. Goes as foretold.

'American' plan is simple as usual:

1-Consumption
2-More consumption
3-More consumption
4-More consumption
5-More consumption
6-Still more consumption
7-Still more consumption
8-Still more consumption
9-Still more consumption
10-Still more Consumption
11-Still more Consumption
12-Still more Consumption
13-Still more consumption
14-More and more consumption
15-More and more consumption
16-More and more consumption
17-More and more consumption
18-More and more consumption
19-More and more consumption
20-More and more consumption
21-Even more consumption
22-Even more consumption
23-Even more consumption

Obama's plan, Obama, your typical 'american' president.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:55 | 3159497 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Damn, AnAnon, that's quite an excrapolation! I'm surprised you could hold it in until you made it to the roadside.

+1, my friend, you've earned it.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:08 | 3158520 Zer0head
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You got to re read this folks -

8 of the exec orders relate to data gathering

8 relate to healthcare

they're appointing resource officers for schools

they're adding a czar #11

Look at #13 maximize enforcement for prosecution and for prevention  -- what do you think that means?

so what do we have

a massive data base, a health care system along with schools focused on guns, a new czar and a blank check to law enfocement

This is one brilliant piece of work that Joe came up with

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:20 | 3158611 mr. mirbach
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Right - direct attack on 4th and 5th amendments. Fucking sneaky!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:23 | 3158626 Dr. Engali
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Joe didn't come up with shit. They already had these "suggestions" waiting in the wings. Joe piddled with himself for a few days before they sent him out to make it look like he was competent.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:53 | 3158833 notadouche
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Exactly.  Any political group being "Progressives"  or "Right wingers" have a poltical agenda etched in stone and just waiting for some "event" to occur that makes it the topic de jour and  as to "Not let a good crisis go to waste".  It's right out of the fucking "Politics 101" playbook.  

Well maybe not the "right winger" because we've been told by all the super intellegent "progressives" that "right wingers" are emotion based only and have no ability to intelligently think through complicated topics.

The easiest way to tell is by the actions of the last two presidents.  One "right winger type" and the current "progressive" type and most of their legislation of the people and their rights have been fear based due to tragedies real or imagined.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:07 | 3158524 Magnix
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Where do I see they will take our guns away?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:08 | 3158535 Zer0head
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you don't, and that is the point

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:13 | 3158536 Cult of Criminality
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"11. Nominate an ATF director" I thought they went roque a long time ago. now I know why...no direction. Anyway good luck on your mission

Altough I thought they were under the direction of who ????

Oh yea, the AG.......Amazing

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:10 | 3158548 Zombie Investor
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"16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

Me: Doctor, I've been coughing up blood for a few weeks.

Doctor: I'll examine that at your annual checkup next year.  Now, give me a complete list of the guns you own.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:12 | 3158559 markar
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another Federal jobs creation program... DOJ and DHS budgets should balloon another 25% due to this

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:27 | 3158569 razorthin
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There ought to be a DSM IV entry for "Obedient, apathetic zombie of the State".  And these wackos should be prohibited from voting.  They are of grave danger to us all.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:00 | 3159220 geekgrrl
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The DSM is a joke. The entire mental health field is a joke. As long as they can jam you into some category, they will do so. There's an excellent documentary called The Trap that exposes the non-scientific nature of mental health classifications and how normal human emotions are pathologized and treated by pharmaceuticals. It's the implementation of one of Huxley's slogans in Brave New World: "When the individual feels, the community reels." 

Erich Fromm wrote a book way back in 1955 called The Sane Society, and he made exactly your point: anyone who is adjusted to this sick society is also sick. It's the "maladjusted" people who are exibiting normal mental health. This is a very unpopular view these days, and it dovetails nicely with pharma profits. The question I have is: would the government give a damn about mental health if pharma wasn't there to "treat" it?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:29 | 3160629 Cathartes Aura
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great points made geekgrrl. . . it's so very frustrating to listen to folks tell of their need for meds because they feel un-comfortable about the state of the "world" while leaving the TeeVee on all waking hours, feeding the dis-ease.

and even more frustrating having to exist amongst the "shiny, happy people" for whom no thoughts get any further than a surface graze/glaze. . .

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 02:32 | 3161393 geekgrrl
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Regretfully, it seems to me we are already in the era of world controllers.

Nonetheless, this castle in the sky is built on energy, and it is going down.

Thankfully I can avoid most contact with those "shiny happy people." My condolences that you have to deal with that.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:13 | 3158570 thedrickster
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It's odd, I don't see "ask the FDA to review the safety & efficacy of SSRIs, in particular the potential for psychosis" 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:18 | 3158599 Hannibal
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The cowards of the NY Assembly did not just violate the US Constitution but also dishonored their Oath of Office,…”to defend and protect the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign
and DOMESTIC”.

Self defense-protection of one’s life and property is a natural and unalienable birth right.
Disagree?..then at least:
Know what happen when self defense of your life and property is ILLEGAL!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:20 | 3158612 deerhunter
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I don't sleep with one eye open because the missus is a better shot with a pistol, and she is, but because I have seen her quarter a chicken with a sharp knife.  Guns don't kill people!!!!!!!!

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 01:48 | 3161332 Matt
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guns don't kill people, (un-uh) 

I kill people, with guns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:23 | 3158624 Laddie
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Chillingly put but all too probable:

We know where this kind of anti-white gun control leads. The South African Firearms Control Act mandates that gun ownership be allowed only after an applicant passes a written test and a criminal background check, explains his “need” for the weapon, has adequate safekeeping facilities, and takes a shooting test. Gun owners must re-register periodically.

Not surprisingly, the South African government cannot keep up with its own administrative requirements. Applicants have been waiting for as long as five years to own firearms legally. The system is a model of what Sam Francis called “anarcho-tyranny,” as the government mysteriously loses tens of thousands of its own firearms even as it denies permits to law abiding citizens. If a white citizen does use a firearm to defend his life against a black, he is often punished.

The result is predictable. Murders of white South African farmers have become so common that  even “Genocide Watch” says the South African government is in the beginning stages of a drive for extermination. The government is not worried; President Jacob Zuma recently sang “Shoot the Boer” at an African National Congress celebration.

White South Africans who could not afford private security companies used to rely on “commandos” of mobile defense teams that could respond quickly to reports of violence. Of course, in 2003, the South African government forcibly disbanded them because they were supposedly linked to apartheid. Now, as Genocide Watch pointed out after an exhaustive investigation in July 2012, “Deliberate inaction of the South African Government has weakened rural security structures, facilitating Afrikaner farm murders, in order to terrorize white farmers into vacating their farms.”

Could it happen here? Since President Obama’s re-election, the media has increasingly removed the mask, engaging in multicultural triumphalism. Most of the world greets Boer genocide with silence or even approval, so we cannot expect anyone else to defend us. The current debate over gun control isn’t about public safety, or mental illness, or the Constitution. It’s about whether whites have the right to defend themselves.

Only we can be us and only we can defend ourselves.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:24 | 3159638 lakecity55
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Ozone=White Genocide in AMerika.

Jus' axe Louie.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:25 | 3158630 jbvtme
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"relevant data", "dangerous people", "improve incentives", "review categories of individuals", "gun locks and gun safes", "doctors asking patients about guns in their homes",  "maximize efforts to prevent gun crime...", "school resource oficers", "mental health parity regulations"...the founding dads have these bureaucrats speaking in tongues

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:24 | 3158635 Michelle
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If these orders are to prevent gun violence, per Obama's very words, then why do we need items 12, 18, and 19?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:26 | 3158643 rwe2late
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Interesting,

I have been banned from posting at Common Dreams (an alleged "progressive" website)

after making such comments as:

Want to end US violence??

End global militarism.
End the trillion$ dollar bankster swindles
End criminal-generating Prohibition II and the ancillary prison industry.
End over-medicating children with psychotropic drug prescriptions
Prioritize domestic infrastructure investment over military investment
Cease the destruction from "NAFTA-IMF" and shock doctrine globalization
Restore lost Bill of Rights protections and end Homeland martial law.

OR (as some advocate),
just further disarm the legal public and give the state more power and added bureaucracy
for Homeland surveillance and policing,
without changing any of the above actual causes.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:40 | 3159418 jbvtme
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you must be insane.  do you know where to turn in you guns?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:29 | 3158661 Money 4 Nothing
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Gun Tzar, Hhmmm , Eric Holder?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:34 | 3158684 Joe moneybags
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What has really ticked off most commentors here on this thread is that these executive orders are pretty much common sense, and obey existing laws.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:19 | 3159619 lakecity55
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No, what we are ticked off about is a man deciding he is the lone, sole source of Power in the US Government.

He is a dictator. A Tyrant.

In due time, if the Congress does not move against him, they will themselves be imprisoned or shot.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:33 | 3160638 Cathartes Aura
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if you truly believe these "laws" and EOs etc. come directly from Obama, and would not exist were another figurehead in place. . .

then I hope yer sharpening yer pencil for the next round of voting!

*eye roll*

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:34 | 3158686 alentia
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Exceptionally vague directions giving huge room for interpretation as Obama uses "politician words and phrases":

1. ...to make relevant data available... (this can be any personal data)

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers... (open hands to lower executive branch)

4. ...to make sure dangerous people are not slipping... (there are multiple way to do it, how about putting them in prison, just because government thinks they are dangerous)

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime ( Wow!!! this one can be interpreted as shoot down gun owner on the spot if cop simply thinks he is preventing gun violence)


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:35 | 3158691 NuYawkFrankie
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No mention if any of this applies to Panzer III battle tanks.

Looks like I may have slipped under the radar --- phew!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:14 | 3158961 Vooter
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Yeah, really--if the right to bear arms is designed to allow me to protect myself from a tyrannical government, why can't I own a fighter jet, or surface-to-air missiles, or a nuclear device?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:18 | 3158991 DosZap
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 why can't I own a fighter jet, or surface-to-air missiles, or a nuclear device?

If you can afford them, I am sure you can buy them.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:56 | 3159201 Vooter
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Oh, really? And the U.S. government won't do anything about it? Here's an idea: YOU FIRST.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:38 | 3159099 notadouche
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That's tantamount to asking why I can't own Steve Jobs yaht.  If you have the money you can own anything you want.  Money buys you everything in this world.  Legalities mean very little if enough money is involved.  That's weak Vooter, very weak.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:56 | 3159198 Vooter
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Oh, really? So I can own a nuclear device and the U.S. government won't do anything about it? Is that what you're saying? What if I'm a nuclear scientist and I decide to build my own device--are you saying that the U.S. government will be okay with that? What if I decide to build home-made mortars, like the IRA used to build--are you saying that the U.S. government won't do anything if they discover my cache of home-made mortars? The Second Amendment says that I CAN BEAR ARMS--it doesn't say what kinds of arms I can bear. Right? Does it say that? So why can't I openly own huge, massively destructive ARMS???

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:48 | 3159453 notadouche
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On the 2nd amendment, while it doesn't state what kind of arms it also doesn't state any limitations on who has that right either.  What's your point? Now all constitutional amendments are useless because they don't site specifics.   Trample the constitution much?

Hell for all you know the government, for the right price and right connections will broker the damned deal.  The US government, with taxpayer dollar I might  ad has armed non government people in many foreign lands for decades including rocket launchers, missles, etc..  Man where the hell have you been?

  If you had the capabilities to build a device in your basement how the hell would they know.  Well now there is an interesting new add on to the debate because now to insure the people aren't doing what we expressly forbade them to do we need to install nanny cams in all the homes, for a tax voucher of course, so we can monitor.  Hey if you aren't doing anything wrong you shouldn't have anything to worry about right?

Above is an example of using extreme examples to enhance your position.  Typical tactic by someone who is locked into a postion and believes everyone should feel the same way but can't justify it by using the reality of the situation and has to go to the extreme in order to rationalize.   

You sure love to use caps don't you.

So now you are advocating the 2nd amendment to be specific in what weapons a person is allowed or not allowed to have?   Again I'm not a gun owner but if I felt I needed to be I sure as hell wouldn't want the government to tell me no, you can't have that because you don't fit the criteria in our view.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:16 | 3159600 lakecity55
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Under a very broad interpretation, yes, you could own anything.

However, the intent of the Amendment was to allow Citizens to possess such small arms as were in use by the military forces of the day.

In theory, if the local militia had a tank and crew, it would be OK.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:29 | 3159663 notadouche
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So we can only own a musket according to the 2nd amendment?  Pretty presumptious to think you know the intent of the folks drawing up the constition.  Should I be so presumptious then I would infer their intent was to keep it intentionally vague.  That would be the brilliance and foresight of the founding fathers.  They never assumed they were omnipitent so they led with ideals, not strict rules.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:23 | 3161175 Fedaykinx
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everybody's dancin down the local armory with a basement full of dynamite and light artillery!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31wMSaT489Y

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:35 | 3158694 Soar07
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Police State USA......

 

 

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