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Obama's 23 Executive Gun Control Actions

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The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

 


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Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment marcusfenix
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the way to disarm the american public is not to ban guns outright, but to make them increasingly more difficult and more expensive to purchase legally, which is exactly what these EO's are designed to do. if you read the DSMMD 2013 edition you can see that practically every normal, human emotional state can be classified as a mental disorder in one way or another. with the AHA going into full effect next year effectively bringing all of health care, including mental illness under federal control...

well, it doesn't take much to see the angle being played here or where this is headed. over half the population is on some form of medication that comes with a warning label and the other half could be diagnosed with some form of mental illness thanks to the parameters set by the "bible of psychiatry" the DSMD.

all you need is to open the door for health care providers to feed the universal check system with millions of new "potentially dangerous" individuals thanks to the arbitrary new CLASSIFICATIONS  of mental disorders, coupled with mandatory back round checks for the purchase of ANY fire arm, not just hand guns or these so called "assault rifles" and sooner or later it will be nigh impossible for anybody to purchase or own a fire arm legally...

 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment Soar07
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I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.[1]

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment Stonedog
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16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

 

Bull

 

‘‘SEC. 2716. PROHIBITION ON DISCRIMINATION IN FAVOR OF HIGHLY COMPENSATED INDIVIDUALS

‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.— 

‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection 

(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to— 

‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or

‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual. 

‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the 

authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that 

Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the 

collection of any information relating to— 

‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; 

‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or 

‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition. 

‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient 

Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used 

to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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Notice how NO ONE gave the NRA credit fror having "common sense".

Schools quietly start placing armed guards and Los Angeles increases the police on campus.

Barry should have announced weapons training for teachers.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment MiltonFriedmans...
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If the 2nd ammendment were to be repealed, would the sheeple actually notice?

I wonder sometimes.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment ArsoN
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Guy murdering civilians and children with flying killing robots preaching about mental health...  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:00 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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Are there not insiders who have said Obomber shows every sign of clinical depression?  He's certainly detached well, then he's got those narcassistic sociopathic tendencies.

Geez, he's like those Bible thumping tele-evangelists who preach one thing and are f'ing everything under the sun.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment CuriousPasserby
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Will those new school "resource officers" have guns?

 

Where did I hear that idea? Didn't everyone say it was a dumb idea?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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None of those things seem like "gun control". Sounds more like violations of doctor-patient confidentiality.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment TuesdayBen
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#14a: CDC to research causes of 'blunt instrument' violence
b: CDC to research causes of 'pointed instrument' violence
c: CDC to research causes of 'bare handed' violence
d: CDC to research causes of 'remote-controlled flying robot' violence h/t ArsoN
e: ...........

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:56 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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14.d: ...to research death by poision

14.e: ...to research death by toasters in bathtubs

14.f:  ...to research suspicious slips and falls

CDC to be busy

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Mad Muppet
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nobody is less a friend of the President than me, but this was less than I expected. I expect he's saved the really contencious things for the Senate, rather than these EO's.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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WTF? So this is just a summary of vague "actions" that are supposedly going to happen at some point in the future?

 

Am I correct in believing that nothing has actually changed as of today?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment stant
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yep just find a gun friendly doctor who has the same high deductable boat insurance you have, i guess 2.8 mill guns sold in dec was just to much chance of a yeehaa jihad

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment mr. mirbach
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If one uses critical reasoning skills to dissect the 23 new Executive orders, one would reach the conclusion that they encroach on:

2A - right to keep and bear arms

4A - right to privacy

5A - right to remain silent

9A - enumeration of right, shall not be construed to deny or disparage rights retained by the people

10A - powers not delegated by the Constitution are reserved to the States

Damn near a clean sweep!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment fortune114
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21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

 

???

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment alfbell
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#24

All gun owners will be required to have a micro-chip installed in their bodies (in the skull, behind the left ear) so that they can be monitored 24/7 by the new government agency, VIOLENT INTENTIONS PERCEPTION AGENCY. If a gun owner has any sort of aggressive thought or emotion the VIPA will be able to immediately shut him down terminatedly via the installed micro-chip.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

1.  Lock Doors
2.  When the locks are shot off, hide
3.  When the shooter finds you, block the bullets with your body.  There is no need for you to be trusted with a firearm.  You only need to be trusted with our children.
4.  A plaque in your honor will name that wing of the school in your memory.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:53 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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No doubt!

A much better plan than our CCW's and nerves o' steel for defense /sarc

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment evolutionx
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**Prepare for the Worst: Celente on 2013 and on guns

Video**

http://www.homment.com/jHTBQnDGS4

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Dre4dwolf
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Crime is going to explode, everyone should buyup knives, and baseball bats and learn how to use them "properly" from a distance.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Michelle
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That's one way, I've been thinking about going to see Chainsaw 3D so I can learn the art of slaughter, then I will fill the garage of all types and sizes of chainsaws, until they confiscate those, too.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Marley
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Good start.  Should include a penis messurement.  Anyone with less that 5.25" errect length should also not be allowed to own a gun.  That should eliminate 99% of gun owners.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:14 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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No... that should eliminate 99% of F350 drivers.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Marley
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Thanks, I didn't thing about the collateral damage of that ruling.  Not a bad idea though.  I'm still laughing.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Michelle
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Starting with and including you!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment notadouche
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At least the Bloods, Crypts, and Black Panter's should be safe.  Feel bad for the Asian community though.  Does that mean open season on all bodega's?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:25 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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that's crips, sir.  crips.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:48 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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We do not feed the trolls.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Apathetic or Wh...
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Executive order outlawing crazy people...problem solved.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Executive order outlawing crazy people...problem solved.

Whoa Hoss, WHO get's to decide?.

Your Shrink,( which makes sense,and one issue that has been ignored), BY GUESS what..............HIPPA rules,) Dr. patient confidentilaity or a Goober Agency?.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 14:58 | Link to Comment earnyermoney
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Fascism needs snitches. Check out the "If you see something, say something" public awareness  campaign of the DHS.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:47 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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That's it - I'm telling - I know you had a 32 ounce soda today....

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment Pooper Popper
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All that range time is gonna come in handy!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment Pooper Popper
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All that range time is gonna come in handy!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Nazi's get the ball rolling by labelling people "mentally defective" and forcebly remove them from "proper German society".   Of course it was for their own good and hey bonus it helped all the "normal Nazi or good Nazi" be able to live without worry.  

I wonder if the next census the people are going to be required to list not only who, how many, what race, age, but now also includ mental deffect, medications, gun owner, gold owner.  But at least we know it will stop at what sexual orientation or religion.  Or will it?  

Anyone else uneasy about all medical records getting digitalized?  Of course it's not for nefarious reasons it's for ease of use.  No insurance company or report would ever get in between you and your doctor and what medications you take.  Oh wait, I think that already happens.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:07 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Yes.

Oddly enough, Adolf Hitler announced "gun control" in Germnany with a group of young kids around him.

Sometimes the skin color changes, but the maniac sick twisted freak inside it does not.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Falconsixone
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It's not a gun it's magical tierunts finder.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Falconsixone
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better outlaw magic

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment chaartist
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isnt it all happening so fast because people won't stand in winter on streets, and when they will so they can't have guns. I am disturbed more and more. Hope ZH will stay safe online

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment sschu
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The Weekly Standard reports $4.5B in new spending as part of the Bamster's proposal.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/least-45-billion-new-spending-gun-control_696120.html

Who woudda thunk it.

sschu

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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Ha ha ha, they outsmarted you stupid GOs.  They got you believing certain people shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.  They found your socialist soft spot and exploited it. 

Now it's just a matter of diagnosing YOU with any one of hundreds of "mential disorders", and there goes YOUR right to own a gun.

You stupid GOs can't see past the end of your nose.  You let 'em out-flank you.

I'm giving full support to gun bans.  You GOs are too stupid to own a gun.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:19 | Link to Comment groundedkiwi
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Good point. The law may even apply to your entire household. So if just 1 person in the house is on meds for depression etc, the ban may apply to all who live there. look at number 16 on that list Tyler posted.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:30 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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Because a doctor asks a question.....why do you have to answer it?

My wife was at the oby-gyn about 10 days ago and she says he asked if she lived ina 'safe home'. WTF is that supposed to mean. She thought it was an odd question. She knows better than to ever mention there were guns in the house.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:00 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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You don't have to answer it. But the doctor can make a diagnosis on mere suspicion and it's impossible to get it reversed.  When has anyone ever gotten a medical diagnosis reversed?  Courts and juries are powerless because they're not doctors.  Once the diagnosis is made and recorded in the medical records system, that's it, you're marked for life.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:46 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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Good point. I had a DI policy rejected because there was "back pain" listed in my medical file from a decade prior.  Back then the pain was due to internal organ....had surgery.  It was like I had been branded.  So, agree- once "it" (whatever "it" may be) is in there, it is set in stone.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 02:37 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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GOs are such IDIOTS. 

Their socialist belief govt can prohibit certain people from having a gun is being turned right back around on 'em thru the medical system. 

Hoisted by their own petard.  Trapped by their own little socialist attitude.

They went along with govt denying certain people's 2A right to own firearms because they're "unbalanced", now THEY will be diagnosed as "unbalanced". I bet in 5 yrs every GO will be diagnosed with some sort of "mental disorder", losing their right to own a gun.

You GO's had your chance to revolt and stop all this madness but you sat on your lazy asses saying "you just wait, some day we'll do it". 

Well guess what you lazy idiots, "some day" has already passed, and now you deserve to lose 'em. 

Use 'em or lose 'em.   You didn't use 'em, now you lose 'em.

Same thing happening here that happened in Nazi Germany.  People waited too long, let govt get too powerful.

I fully support govt taking 'em away from you.  You don't deserve to have 'em anymore.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:44 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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This has been standard operating procedure for a while now....a few times while I went to maternity appointments with the husband and we had some fun with that.  Safe home?  Do you mean for me or him...'cuz I've been feeling pretty hormonal.

Teen physicals and the "Any guns in the house?" question: Ours are prompted as to how to answer.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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No doubt, Mrs. Lanza.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment Futurist
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Be nice if they took banking fraud as seriously...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Marley
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pssst. Come on. Really? They're just a confluence of people like you and me. Or, well, maybe you.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:37 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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So good I voted twice

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment Futurist
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Be nice if they took banking fraud as seriously...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:18 | Link to Comment Spaceman Spiff
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This just in....

 

In order to be more moderate and in the spirit of compromise to stop the senseless killing of innocent children, Boehner/McConnel/and the rest of the high profile republicans have approved of all of Obama's gun control measures, beat back and lectured their constituencies for dare wanting a fight in these tragic times, and Obama and the democrats did not have to give up one iota on policy.

 

Hurray for a new era of bipartisanship!

 What statesmen!    

 

Lets be taxed and have them spend for our general welfare as tribute to their heroic leadership!    

Limited magazine capacity means a gunman can shoot at me an arbitrary amount of times before having to reload/switch guns in which time someone who is not shitting themselves can defy the 1 in a million odds that the shooter can't reload in time/switch guns to kills us all!  The kids are saved!  We're saved!   Blessed be Obama!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Al-Qaeda won.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Not to worry. Holder will ship us guns if we revolt.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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When you see headlines saying that Pres Obama's armed cops proposals have echoes of Clinton, you should be very worried about ALL the proposals.

Let's say George W. Bush had proposed sending more armed police into our schools (instead of actually cutting that program as he did; and I can't stand that asshole)......what would be the response on the so-called Left?

Pay attention to the POLICY not the MESSENGER or INTERLOCUTOR

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:25 | Link to Comment NoelConfidence
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Really? 23 Executive Orders?

I guarantee anyone with a mental illness or just plain old depression will NEVER seek treatment now.

Fuck gold, I'm buying clips and ammo.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:28 | Link to Comment MFLTucson
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14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

1. Shit economy; 2. Corrupt government (no longer by and for the people); 3. Corrupt banking cartel; 4. Lost faith in a system that has liars in office like this President(and several before him); 5. No future because this government has sold the people down the river to the Chinese; 6. Lack of family structure promoted by liberals; 7. Liberal ideology that anything goes; 8. Liberal Judicial system that prosecutes marijuana dealers which clog the system so that violent criminals are cut deals or light sentence; 9. Ending the hanging of convicted killers in the city square 10. Corruption in every segment of our society and demonizing religion from the Hollywood shit stains; 11. On demand abortion promoted by liberals which has diminished the value of life.

Please add to this list because 99% of the problems come from liberals and from this government, there is no need for them to research anything.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:52 | Link to Comment jomama
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pretty narrow perspective to be blaming all the US' problems on your own tunnel vision definition of 'liberal'.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:48 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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par for the course.

just like the many variants of "Libertarians"

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 03:49 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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I am curious: can you define "liberal," and please, for my edification, please explain the "liberal ideology." I am looking forward to your reply.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:28 | Link to Comment news printer
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Threshold for White House petitions raised to 100,000

The White House raised the signature threshold for its “We the People” petitions from 25,000 to 100,000, thereby making it more difficult for petitions to require an official response from the administration.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:01 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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How instinctively communist of them.

Forward, Soviet!

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 04:00 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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I don't think this is what Jefferson had in mind when he said the people could petition the government for redress. Actually, he was very clear about how the power of the people was to be exercised to keep the powers of government in check. Something about the Tree of Liberty being watered... It's just that this patriotic duty now defines you as a terrorist.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Ballin D
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I dont understand #5.

 

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

Does this mean they will be able to seize anybody's gun at any time for a few weeks while they run background checks? (or months in Govt time with a bloated backlog)
Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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I see crazy people, doctor.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Libertarian777
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Not that anyone cares about the constitution anymore, but I'm waiting for the court case that challenges any ban on pre-existing owned firearms that are made into criminal acts.

The constitution prohibits ex-post-facto laws. So if you purchased a rifle and a magazine and it was legal at the time, Congress cannot retroactively make ownership of such illegal after the fact.I'm not sure if this is the reason why the previous 'assault weapons ban' grandfathered in weapons purchased before the enactment date, and thus rendering it ineffective.

How executive order 6102 made gold ownership illegal is also questionable, but then again when has the government ever respected the intent of the constitution?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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Can someone please explain to me how these 23 points of light would have stopped the Newton, CT massacre.

Please use small words. Thanks.

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 02:20 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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They would have made no difference, and even Bloomberg acknowledged that.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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More police and harsher punishments are not gun control. They discriminate and they harm; they do not protect our children.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13937-watch-out-for-fake-gun-control-r...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Beltway1776
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"4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

I wonder if Eric Holder would consider Mexican drug cartels a category of indidviduals that are dangerous? 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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No, but you "constitutionalists" are pretty dangerous, trying to stop our wonderful progress and take us back to some outdated "damn piece of paper" (according to Bush).

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:49 | Link to Comment NoelConfidence
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Last time I purchased a gun they told me it would take 15 minutes for a background check.

It did.

So WTF is the deal with background checks?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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it's a marriage made in heaven  the merger of local, state and federal records including but not limited to, criminal, medical, financial (IRS-ACA), DHS

 

virtually all of the 23 orders relate to data or health care - it give agencies permission freely gather data that will be all bundled up and tied with a bow with your name along with any aliases there for whomever to see (not the detail but your classification)

so if you told the receptionist in the waiting room of emerg to f off or got pissed at your kid's teacher there's going to be a data base

chances are the background they did on you for the purchase would have been county, maybe state  

This is the No FLy list on steroids

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 04:12 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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They will suck up every single piece of information they can get, and the healthcare system is a treasure-trove of highly-personal and private data. Anything that is recorded about you can, and will be used against you (goodbye fifth admendment). And since the government - in conjunction with private corporations - own our personal identity, financial, and now health "papers," they own our public identities. The fourth amendment is gone. They can say anything they like, and this is the scary part - they are now the authorities regarding our own personal histories. Whatever they say, the masses will believe, regardless of the facts.

We are now in a complete totalitarian state. (IMO)

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:49 | Link to Comment dobermangang
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The squeeze has started.....

http://finance.yahoo.com/quotes/SWHC,RGR

Guns, ammo and booze are selling well.  We live in interesting times.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment NoelConfidence
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The Police State has won.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Under the Affordable Care Act did anyone notice their healthcare getting cheaper.  I believe that should come under the "Truth in Advertising Act" shouldn't it?  What happen to all the "cram down of pricing" that was to come from this act?  Or did I misinterpret the "cram down" and it was in fact the reality of it being "crammed down" the throats of all americans?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:01 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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The rate of inflation in health care is lower this last four years than in the last twenty. Google it.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:20 | Link to Comment notadouche
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But but the last few years the government stats have stated there is little to no inflation.  For at least 2 years SS recipients got no COLA due to this fact so how can my health care cost also be zero.  This is the first year COLA was raised.  

My policy cost have certainly gone up by much more than government reported inflation and I don't need Google to find this out.    "Cramming down" cost I thought meant cost would not rise more slowly but actually get cheaper which most reasonable people would have inferred from Obama's campaigning.  That did not happen.  Google that.

My medications haven't gone down.  My doctor's visits haven gotten cheaper.  I couldn't speak to procedures as I haven't needed any.  There is a notion that there are lies, damned lies and stats.  Most people don't need to Google their health care cost because they live it.  I noticed you didn't  speak from personal experience just from Google search stats.   Although I'm sure it's fine because we all know everything you get on the internet is fact and so of course are all government stats.  So yeah!!!! All is right with the world because Google Seach told me so!  Whew I'm glad that I don't have to rely on my own experience when I have Google Search and the government to tell me what the real answer is.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:11 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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The COLA is not adjusted on the rate of health care inflation, if so we would all be rich. Health care inflation has gone up sometimes 11/12% in past years. The last four only 3/4%.

  Most of the Affordable Care Act does not even kick in until 2014. Any increase in your cost have nothing to do with the new legislation. In fact my brother got a refund check from his health insurance company because one of the laws that Have kicked in is that if the insurance company does not spend 80% of premiums on costs other than profit they have to refund the money. If your premiums are paid by your employer you will never see it, it will go to them.   

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:15 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Nicely done.  It's that not kicking in until 2014 that bugs me as the cost of it started already.  If it was so great why the need for the head start.  It doesn't seem the least bit odd that since the pass of ACA all of a sudden prostate exams, mammograms etc..have  become unnecessary and even caused false positives?  For the last few decades they were sooooo important, now hey not really.  Everything is polticized even the doctor sticking his finger up my ass.  Where does the line get drawn and the games stop getting played.  If not with healthcare then what?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:33 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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Mammograms and prostrate exams becoming "unnecessary" is Not a cost. There is going to be a lot less multiple Xray exams for the looking at the same bone break ten different ways from now on for example. Your guess is as good as mine on lines getting drawn. I am still amazed as many positive things happened as did.   

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment notadouche
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That may be because as you say, most ACA doesn't kick in until 2014.   Is it getting warm in hear?  The frog said as he unknowingly sat in a vat of boiling water.  

My point was it was propogandized as a means to save trillions in healthcare cost though "cramming down".  But it also adds some 30 million people to healthcare.  I just can't see how adding 30 million people to anything will make it cheaper.   Maybe it's gets cheaper in this particular column, but hey what's this column mean over here?  "Oh why that would be nothing for you to conern yourself with taxpayer, just keep you eye on the column I tell you to."

It's done, so it doesn't matter.  I still hate the way it was accomplished with Bill Nelson, LA purchase and the fact it was voted on without being fleshed out and read by the people that voted on it.  You tell me that's an isolated incident?  Frightening if we think this is good government.  

So when a conservative takes the riegns, and don't fool yourself into believing otherwise, it will then be too late to cry about process because between Bush and Obama the only process is what they tell you and your either not a patriot or a racist if you objected.   I don't know about you but I'm uneasy with the way both went about their business and it only gets worse from here, not better because as we know, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I guess we can always hope that isn't the case but I won't hold my breath.  

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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I see you are a glass all empty kind of guy. I look at it as now 30 million freeloaders get to pay for themselves instead of it going on my premium.

For me, power corrupting would be the repubican way of business as usual where the consumer pays ever higher through the nose.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:54 | Link to Comment notadouche
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I would say those are "cost" if your the guy or gal not getting the procedure anymore because it is now unnecessary and cancer is not detected all in the name of cost savings.  Those in fact, in my view the pordigious cost and the only one's that should matter.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 10:46 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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nice spin

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment SmoothCoolSmoke
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Gun nuts...all loaded up...and nowhere to go.

Too funny.

Ooooo, quick, check, I think there's a ATF agent in your closet!

Hit it Ozzie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQBttKoetqo

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 15:59 | Link to Comment samsara
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"The illusion of freedom [in America ] will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."

Frank Zappa

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:05 | Link to Comment stormsailor
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let the junking begin.  i see nothing in this that is bad.  most of it is enforcement of laws we have had for decades.  the psychological and mental aspects certainly need to be addressed,  my wife's sister was murdered and then her husband killed himself.  he was mental(spent time in the nut floor of the hospital) got the gun from his father (who should be in jail for providing it) was on 4 or 5 different psycho drugs.

 

one of my guns was stolen, they caught the guy with it.  he should have been federally prosecuted, but no.  locals didn't do shit. 

 

if this is all there is then i don't see a huge problem with it.

 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:17 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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right on anything to be safe

how do you feel bout cctv throughout your house, certainly would make me feel safer, I mean what if you were plotting some dasterdly deed - the cctv could help prevent it - no problem with that I trust

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:50 | Link to Comment stormsailor
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zerohead, what an appropriate handle.  where did any of those eo say anything of that nature.  its a nothingburger,  most of it should have been going on for decades and why wasn't it?  i see no new registration, no bans, no ammo restrictions.   just actions that have been there for decades,  why the hell should an executive order be needed to check guns involved in felonies?  whats so intrusive about providing mental health checks against people registering to buy a firearm, so they can't lie?  all of this stuff should be happening anyway?

an executive order so that people uphold the laws that are in effect,  its sort of like a billboard saying, "i haven't been doing my job for the last 4 years" now i'm gonna, lol.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:39 | Link to Comment marcusfenix
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did you know they did a reading of the US constitution in the house yesterday and out of 430 lawmakers only 74 bothered to show up for it?

lets not forget these legislators are the very same parasites who do nothing other than play kick the can with the economic futures of us and our children, yet are united and move quickly when it comes to dictating to us serfs that we no longer have the right to trail by jury, that we can be imprisoned, held without legal counsel or due process. that we can be deprived of life, liberty and property without writ or warrant. our selves, our son and daughters, our wives can be groped and searched for no other reason than they want to take a plane.

these are the people who made us guilty until proven innocent, who failed to uphold the constitution and bill of rights repeatedly, who let criminals not only skate, but allow them to continue to hold high offices in government, such as attorney general, or secretary of the treasury, or CEO of Goldman Sacks.

when was the last time DC did anything other than debt us into oblivion and fill body bags? 

and you would trust them to do the right thing when it comes to the second amendment, the most basic protection we have against both criminals of all kinds?

the huge problem here is DC has proven over and over that they are not trust worthy for anything, let alone something as important as this... 

P.S I didn't junk you.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:57 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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1) No court action, not your fault. Reds do not prosecute on purpose so as to release more gunmen.

2) You did not secure roscoe. I have gone out at 10 at night in driving rain becasue I left mine in the car, which is always locked.  I broke a cardinal rule of my order: always have one within arm's reach.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:07 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dhs-expand-and-formalize-coordinatio...
DHS to 'Expand and Formalize Coordination' on Gun Control Efforts

Janet Napolitano, head of the Department of Homeland Security, released a statement Wednesday saying she is "proud to support" the Obama administration's efforts to "combat gun violence in our country." Here's more from Napolitano's statement:

DHS will work with partners at all levels of government, to address five critical areas intended to reduce the risk of mass casualty shootings in the United States:  Prevention, Protection, Response, Education, and Research/Evaluation. DHS will also work with law enforcement to refresh, expand and prioritize the implementation of nationwide public awareness efforts such as the “If You See Something, Say Something™” campaign.

All heil the secret police aka Stasi.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:34 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Notice: Gun Control is now GUN VIOLENCE, just as Global Warming is now CLIMATE CHANGE.

 

Wow, straight out of psyops.

 

Impeach, Convict, Imprison.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:29 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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Now we know why DHS had to buy all that ammo, the assault vehicles and bullet-proof checkpoint buildings.

Get ready USSA.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:09 | Link to Comment donkshover
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11 trillion increase in  assistance spending over the next 10 years   or 80%    all I can think to do is get with it   get disabled , get my check coming in and get to costa rica  for my winters   I doubt there will be room in the campgrounds for me up here in the summers.

I love working but I got a real problem with people getting all the goodies on my behalf.  I damn sure aint gonna be a sucker for this charade.  

As far as being armed goes maybe just head up to Canada I cant even shoot a mouse with my bb gun. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:15 | Link to Comment mumbo.jumbo
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gun control actions?!

what? he's planning to call in the martians to disarm everyone, including the military and the police?

oh, only the public?!

bah, one more goddamn little nazi...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Unstable Condition
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”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.”


Ben Franklin

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:26 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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Are you frightened?

Not nearly frightened enough - we live in a post Patriot ACT, post NDAA world.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/ndaa-biggest-election-issue-no-ones-talking-about/

<-- no, really - this is worth reading.  Scout's honor.

Some of you appear to not understand how this works.  You should not be worrying about what Obama says.  You should worry about what he directs the Executive Branch to do.  Remember all the nice things candidate Obama said?  How well did they comport wIth the elected puppet installed by a Chicago Jewish mafia?  The man promised change and changed his promises.  One thing that happened, of course, is Jewish political and financial power {yes, yes, junk away - but tell me if I have any *facts* wrong} became consolidated in a way not even achieved under Clinton.

Jews, many with ties to Chicago, are at the head of:

The Fed {and about half of the Board of Governors and FOMC}, SEC, Council of Economic Advisers, Office of Management and Budget, Obama's Chief Counsel, Obama's Chief Advisor, Obama's First and Third, and probably 4th Chief of Staff, Biden's Chief of Staff, Michelle Obama's Chief of Staff, FTC, CFTC, CBO, FDIC, FDA, Treasury, National Economic Council, the prior head of the IRS, and on and on and on and on.

And just about no one is talking about it, and how it very may well be a hijacking by Jews of this country to serve their and Israel's interests, because people think it's "anti-semitic".  This is absolutely overwhelming over-representation.  Combine that with Jewish influence in news media, entertainment media, as well as private banking and it turns out that it looks like a concerted effort to rule this country, deprive it of it's wealth, and use its blood and treasure to enrich and provide for Jews.  And you know what - there's lots of text in the Torah and Talmud that seem to essentially espouse Jewish dominance and double ethical standards, and no - they aren't all antisemitic canards taken out of context.

Well - is it antisemitic, if it's true? Or do they call it that, to prevent any discussion about the fairness or wisdom of 2.3% of the population, may with ties/loyalty to a tiny foreign belligerent power, basically running this country - AND SENDING YOUNG CHRISTIAN MEN AND WOMEN TO DIE FOR A GREATER ISRAEL?

I don't advocate hating anybody - I really don't - but I advocate people openly and unashamedly talking about how 2.3% of the country, many of whom have feverish loyalty to their own tribe and a foreign country in a way nearly unique amongst people, have amassed so much power, and what it means for how our government is ruling us, and perhaps... attempting to remake the middle east for the purposes of Israeli regional hegemony...using American, christian blood and treasure.

Or, keep thinking it doesn't matter and only people who "hate" could even bring it up.  I'm sure this over-representation is nothing but merit and/or coincidence, and the geopolitical repercussions will be good for all humankind...

 

 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:13 | Link to Comment MrBoompi
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 elected puppet installed by a Chicago Jewish mafia?

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I didn't realize Alex Jones posted here.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:30 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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OK, House, where is my Impeachment?

--The Citizen.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Flatchestynerdette
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Texas Democrat called for Impeachment of Obama and compares him to Hitler.She didn't win. The Republican Pete Olson won but Keisha Roger's video is here is you're interested. Its clean no viruses. At least we know how she would vote.

As for Olson the Republican? *sigh* Considering we now know that Boehner worked actively with redistricting commissions to get rid of Tea Party (taxed enough already) candidates to get a more moderate republican party - I have no comment.

Even Hastert with Clinton voted for impeachment and Hastert wasn't exactly a ra-ra-ra type of Republican.

Boehner the crier who got rid of Allen West and many others before the vote and after the vote with the 'purge' on committees? He's France to Obama's whatever.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/texas-democrat-calls-for-impeach...

 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:52 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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well, we have enough just today for a 23-count indictment.

Impeach Convict Imprison

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:31 | Link to Comment MOLONAABE
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Caesar just ceossed the rubicon what is Pompey going to do about it?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:32 | Link to Comment MOLONAABE
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(crossed)

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Flatchestynerdette
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OK. What's 'relevant'? Any ideas? voting patterns......irs returns....websites visited......amazon book/kindle purchases? What....

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:44 | Link to Comment uncle reggie
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This most recent national "discussion" about gun control speaks volumes about our near complete societal dysfunction. Those who want the unlimited ability to have any and all types of weapons based on absurd interpretations of the 2nd amendment are irrational. Those who believe these measures will solve the problem of gun violence in a society already armed at unprecedented historical levels, a society that nurtures, embraces, promotes and profits from violence are utter fools.  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Flatchestynerdette
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It wasn't an issue until Adam took his spoons and threw them at the kids, hit them multiple times, killing them and now I can't eat my breakfast cereal because they're going to ban spoons so I'm hoarding my old big spoons, going out and buying what I can for spoons because forks won't do it for grapenuts.

 

See? Its a sliding argument. You start on this and it goes to the next thing. I read an article last night about a guy who took  'molotov' cocktails to kill people at the state capital in Wisconsin - the cheese state. My first thought? There goes my whiskey. Guess I'm switching to vodka.

 

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/man-brings-explosives-into-wi-st...

 

You're not getting to the person who's causing the problem. Instead you're blaming the instrument.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:16 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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Why not cars?  They kill more people than guns.  Drunk drivers kill.  Bans the cars...the cars are bad!  Why is it that drunk drivers can kill and keep or get their licenses back so they can do it again?  How is it that some drunks can drive drunk 3,6,10 times?  Yep, ban cars, there's your dumbass libtard answer.

Cigarettes kill. Ban the cigs!  Poison kills - ban all poisions/make them highly controlled substances.  

Say, abortions kill (just stating a fact - not making a political/ethical/religious opinion) - there is absolutely no doubt that abortions kill humans.  

Humans will find just about any sort of tool or method to kill....you, Dictator Obummer will never be able to stop it.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:01 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Obama : but but but it's for the childrenz!

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."

--- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:49 | Link to Comment secret_sam
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      "To anyone who really opposes abortion, I say: go adopt one of those unwanted children you're crying over.  And to those of you bitching, 'why don't YOU do that?,' I say, 'cause I hate fuckin' kids."  --Bill Hicks

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:03 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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oh my, plus many.

and a lol.

((if I'd posted that, I'd get the "feminist tirade thread hijack" tag, life's soo unfair, lulz))

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:59 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Yes, for the childrenz!

Obama cares so much, almost as much as ze Fuhrer did!  (or more!)

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to reapeat it; doomed I say!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:12 | Link to Comment MrBoompi
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Since the gun nuts want no regulations at all, I'm sure this will cause an enormous freakout and many over-reactions.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment carlnpa
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Patriot Act I

Patriot Act II

NDAA

TSA

Boompi, the gun nuts are trying to save your sorry ass by their presence against an inflated and apparently out of control fascist government.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:56 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Dear MrBoompi,

Many Jews gassed, or burned, or shot to death by Hitler thought as you did.

Hope that works out for you and your ilk (well, not really, but you get the message, right?).

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:37 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Trampling the constitution doesn't feel so bad when your guy is the one doing it.  I would hesitate to be such a cheerleader as the next guy in may have opposing views, then it's a little too late to cry about it.   Anyone remember the Patriot Act?   Man the Times and those of that ilk thought it was the end of the world.  When their guy gets in, they no longer feel that way and their guy has actually added more teeth to it, not less like I had hoped.  Now it's got a life all of it's own and given permission to the next guy to make it even more onerous.  I guess all you can hope for is that your team win because in the end the loser is "We the People".  And if your naive enough to believe there is much of a difference, big picture wise, between either party well then I have a bridge to sell you... The only difference is the PR.  I would suggest Bush was less dangerous than Obama for one simple reason.  Bush could not fart without the media outlets reporting it and Obama can pick and choose assasination subjects and no one cares.  When the media turns a blind eye to the politician because they are in bed with each other it is the most dangerous of alliances for the rights of man.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:03 | Link to Comment uncle reggie
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"The only difference is the PR. I would suggest Bush was less dangerous than Obama for one simple reason. Bush could not fart without the media outlets reporting it and Obama can pick and choose assasination subjects and no one cares. When the media turns a blind eye to the politician because they are in bed with each other it is the most dangerous of alliances for the rights of man."

The "media" was just as much an instrument of propaganda under Bush as it is under Obama. Remember that holy, illegal war called Iraq? Bush was given a virtual free ticket by the "media." They beat the drum as instructed. Same with Obama. The "media" has been in bed with politicians at the direction of big money who own both. Bush, Obama, the "media" and government itself, are all owned by big money. They are calling the shots. Everything else is just a grand side show to keep us at each other's throats, distracted from the true source of our problems. They're laughing all the way to the bank, which they own as well.  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:32 | Link to Comment notadouche
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That one instance was because they didn't want to be painted with the unpatriotic brush.  About a year after that the media caught on and we started learning about the bogus "yellow cake uranium" and you have to admit was up his ass pretty good, in many instances openly mocking and antogonizing him which is what they should be doing.  I want the Times etc.. to investigate and print the "Pentagon Papers" if need be not turn a blind eye because they agree with the end result.  Thus far I haven't noticed a journalist investigating or criticizing or questioning Obama.  In fact most blow him until his head spins in the name of access.  When journalist pick sides, which they most decidely have done it is a problem for all of America.   

I will ask you to remember the Patriot ACt and Gitmo and how the media, rightly so, railed against both under Bush.  Under Obama, you wouldn't even think they existed anymore much less given even more teeth like the Patriot Act.  

So while you are right on some level, I would suggest a deeper dig points to another conclusion.  I will agree with most of what you say in general terms, especially about distractions and laughing all the way to the bank.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:17 | Link to Comment uncle reggie
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I hear you. I don't have any problem finding journalists who rightfully rip into Obama for his lies. Guess it somewhat depends on where one looks for information although the vast majority of media sources have picked sides to serve their masters. Just six corporations own over 90% of all information available in the US, including the internet! I will agree that in many respects Obama is the more dangerous of the two but again, I believe both were/are just frontmen for the folks behind the curtain.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:42 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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Personally, I think those 23 points are about as little as can possibly be done and still try and make someone believe something changed. I am shocked they could make it up to 23 points. That is some creative BS right there. memorandums, panels, director, classes, campaigns... zzzzzzz. I like it.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:02 | Link to Comment notadouche
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It's the fine print under those headings that you better be careful.  You only like what they want you to know.  The politicans are tricky that way.  I can see back in the early 30's  some Jew saying "hey this Hitler guy has some pretty good ideas especially getting rid of all those mental defects because we need to keep these German streets safe.  After all we are all Germans, right?"  "What's good for Germany is good for us"  3 years later, not so much.

Don't kill me on the timeline I was just making a point.  It's not good to get caught up in what a politician puts out, wait until the final draft with all the details and definitions comes though before you decide one way or the other.  How the state defines something and how the reasonable person would define it can oddly enough be very different and it will never be to the benefit of the reasonable person.  The state always has the advantage.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 10:54 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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Usually on ZH "the fine print" almost precedes the points.

 

tick tock

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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From Mayor Mike of NYC. More than 77,000 people try to go thru background check to buy a weapon; law says that they are not allowed because they're criminals etc.  Only 44 were procecuted. Justice dept says that they don't the money.  Which point addresses that.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 18:34 | Link to Comment Tango in the Blight
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President Obama in 2025: "Today I'm issuing an executive order banning the unlicensed possession of kitchen knives. The Second Amendment never meant that Americans could freely own knives. After we banned assault rifles in 2013, handguns in 2015, shotguns in 2019, 22LR hunting rifles in 2021 and combat knives in 2023 it is now time to rid our nation of the common kitchen knife after the recent stabbing in Georgia. Americans who want to have their meat or their vegetables cut can hire a licensed butcher to cut it for them. There is no need for a citizen to be able to wield such deadly power. Professional cooks can possess such knives with a license. In contrast to what some extremists may say the Second Amendment means that the right of the military, the police and the DHS stormtroopers to bear arms shall not be infringed. As your president I pledge to uphold this right to the fullest."

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:54 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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+1 for the sarcasm

"Lizzy Borden approves this message."

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 19:18 | Link to Comment PrintemDano
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A small reminder of why we need assault weapons..Bill Ayres

..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2An9Qch2pQ

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:00 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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The general comments here are focusing far too much on a National Mental Health database (will never fly, it's a smoke-screen), and you've missed the real thrust:

 

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

 

AFIS.

Smartgun.

TriggerSmart.

ARUS Technology.

BIOMAC Systems Ltd.

 

You people have really got to move faster - they're so far ahead it's not even funny. I believe the phrase is "shooting fish in a barrel", no?

 

I AM THE LAW.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 06:52 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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  poof/ child I want to [circumvent] you,><

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:28 | Link to Comment Eyes on the World
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After reading the twenty-three 'gun control' executive orders the President signed today many gun owners will think, "Well, that's not so bad," or, "It could've been worse."

I disagree. This is exactly the "tyrannical, all-out assault on liberty" Obama claimed he was not guilty of in his speech today.

Putting aside any additional 'ban' laws Congress may pass, this was a brilliantly insidious move in which Obama effectively destroyed the First, Second, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments in one fell swoop. 

Take a look at number 4: "Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

They can now simply declare a person 'dangerous' and take their guns. Even if you've never committed a crime or been adjudicated mentally defective, if you say or do something that is re-categorized as being dangerous - your guns are gone. 

Not your assault weapons. Not your high-cap magazines. Not your mean looking guns. ALL OF YOUR GUNS. GONE. FOREVER.

No crime, no court, no jury, no due process. Just... GONE.

Take a look at numbers 2, 16. Ever go to the doctor?

Then take a look at 12, 18, and 19. Have children in school or college? Go to church?

Then take a look at number 7. Ever talk to your neighbor, family members, friends or co-workers about your guns?

What they have done is turned doctors, nurses, teachers, professors, clergy, and everyone else you know into tools to report you in any instance that you say or do the "wrong" thing.

Have a concealed carry license or ever served in the military? Hell, you're already dangerous. You're probably first on the list.

Speak out politically or religiously? You better hush up. You'll be classified as dangerous and they'll come get your guns!

You or your spouse taking an anti-depressant or other psychological drug? Don't tell anyone you have guns, they'll come take them away!

Unhappy with your ex-wife or ex-husband? Don't make them mad, they'll say you're dangerous, and they'll come take your guns!

Lost your job, unhappy with the economy or in danger of financial ruin? You're likely to be dangerous, so no guns for you!

Live with your crazy mother-in-law who's driving you crazy? Don't tell your doctor, you'll be classified as dangerous and they'll come get your guns!

Spank your children? Don't let them tell the teacher, you'll be classified as dangerous and they'll come get your guns!

Drink a little too much on the weekends? You better stop, you'll be classified as dangerous and they'll come get your guns!

Think I'm paranoid? Don't tell anyone, they'll come get my guns! 

See, they know they could never take everyone's guns at once with a hard and fast law or decree. One, if they tried that they'd have a war on their hands, and two, even if the people didn't rise up, seeing that the federal government is broke they couldn't afford to do it all at once anyway. This way, they avoid the war, they get to confiscate guns one person at a time, and they get to stretch out the cost and resources. All the while making gun owners who say a word against them seem paranoid, crazy, insane, and yes, categorically and officially... dangerous.

Make no mistake. Gun confiscation in the United States officially began today.

These people are evil. They do not care about the children that died at Newtown. They do not care about the truly mentally ill. They do not care about your private property rights. They do not care about the Constitution. And they certainly don't care about you or your safety.

But they are also very patient, very smart, and very, very well armed.

You should be too. Carry well, carry often, and keep your powder dry. 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:29 | Link to Comment strayaway
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Obamacare Provision Forbidding Exec Order To Regulate Guns And Ammo - 1/10/13  http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/10/gun-advocates-celebrate...

 

(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—

‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.— A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to—

‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully- possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or

‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.?‘‘

(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any in- formation relating to—

‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;

‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or

‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:16 | Link to Comment newengland
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I see the latest propaganda sheet is the front page of 'Time' magazine, with a picture of Biden, Bloomberg and Gifford with the title 'Gun Fighters', like they are an heroic trio, instead of new faces for old Nazi fascism. Remember: the Nazis disarmed the people before slaugtering the jews, socialists, communists...anyone who questioned Hitler and his big bank backers in Europe, UK and the U.S.

 These 'gun fighters' wage endless war abroad, allow rampant drugs at home, both legal and illegal. Gun crime has risen with drug use, both legal and illegal.

Most gun owners are law abiding, taxpaying, hardworking citizens.

These hypocritical 'gun fighters' enjoy armed guards for themselves and their families, with Obama only this past week giving all of Congress lifelong armed guards.
These 'gun fighters' are behaving like fascists: taking eveything from everyone, and shamelessly saying it is for the good of 'everyone', while facts state otherwise.

Everywhere and in every time, fascists disarm the people before enslaving and abusing them, leaving them defenceless. Hitler did that. So did Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Mussoline...and Blair in Britain.

Beware of the new world order Trilateral Commission pets in CONgress who gift themselves every right and protection...and train their guns on the citizens who pay for them.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:21 | Link to Comment newengland
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PS,

If you ever wondered why the Nazis and fascists gained control, then you are witnessing how they did it - little by little, with no great one shock, but small moves wrapped in nicey words, whereby they could label any dissent as 'extremist', and charm the people into submission.

See how the USA is moving toward fascism and the Nazis agenda, here:

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-01-15/us-government-claims-%E2...

Remember that Mr Mayer was an American of jewish descent who interviewed ordinary Germans about their personal experience, how they witnessed creeping fascism, without realising where it would lead to their enslavement, and world war.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:47 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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LET THE IMPEACHMENT BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Barack Insane O'Bomber is not our lord, not our master, not our king - and is barely a president.  This insane dictator needs removal from office.

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:51 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Looks like people need to get a crackin and start developing new types of projectile weapons. All actions have unintended consequences. Unless every "liberty loving" individual's brains have been neutered necessity will drive the next evolution. Foward!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:58 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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Here you go: Nail Gun Weapon: My pic won't post here - see link, scroll down to this awesome "tool"     

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1157581/pg1

 

 

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:53 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

WTF?  I'm pretty sure the Centers for DISEASE CONTROL need to focus on disease.  Mental health? Okay, that's good.  Guns have nothing to do with disease --  They are inanimate objects.

The CDC needs to focus on things like C-A-N-C-E-R...now there is a killer.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:05 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I'd encourage you to do some research on the see dee see, it may not be exactly what you believe it to be. . .

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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+100.  More research for me.  I've read some scary crap but sounds like I need to jump down another evil gov rabbit hole.  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:05 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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One last thought concerning the 2nd amendment, it states "right to bear arms", not the right to bear guns, flamethrowers, broken whiskey bottles but arms. Guns are only a subset of arms. It doesn't state the type or capacity of said arms. It is probably something that should be pursued in the courts for clarification. If for arguements sake it makes its way to the SCOTUS and we get a clear kangaroo court ruling you know it is game over and time for the real fun to start.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:17 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I think we are going to start seeing more of the homebrew variety of weapons from here on in. Go long on 3D printers and lathes.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:21 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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Sign the petition for gun-free zones (whitehouse.gov/petitions) for the hypocritcal elite.  If its supposed to be good enough for us....

While you're there, maybe you'll want to sign the one to force Congress to be enrolled in Obumber Care -- just like everyone else.

I know it won't matter -- but it makes me feel better to spout off, sign petitions and post opinions.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:23 | Link to Comment Cheduba
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"14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

Notice how this is worded - gun violence is being studied by a disease control agency, so gun ownership is subconsciously being associated with a disease.

And because the CDC was perfectly accurate about what a terrible a threat the swine flu was...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/281306

(Noticed the above post after I had posted)

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:19 | Link to Comment TeMpTeK
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Presidential Executive orders are toothless suggestions with no effect of law in anyone of the 50 states...Zerohedge should be mocking this hyperbole not ligitimizing this nonsense!

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment AwkwardReader
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I'm not a big fan of Obammy but these Executive Orders don't seem like a big deal. More lip service than anything.

 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:49 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Sieg Heil!

All hail Ze Fuhrer Obama and his SS minions!

All Hail Caesar!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upWAaNonzc4

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 02:42 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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There was a comment upthread that suggested (or wished that) someone yell "Liar" when Obama takes the oath of office at the point where he promises to defend and protect the Constitution. My thought when I read that post was Sieg Heil! is what they should all say. It would be the truth. Hail Victory. We have defeated the people and are now their masters. We rule by executive fiat, what we say is the law!

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