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Malgeria Crisis Update

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The situation in MalgeriaTM continues to remain uncertain but the following updates should provide some color as to where they stand currently (and a primer on the initial French intervention). Critically, Stratfor warns that the escalation in Algeria will possibly lead to further militants crossing the Mali border, further endangering Westerners and energy infrastructure (which is important as Algeria is one of the largest exports of light, sweet crude oil in the world and a significant natural gas exporter to Europe).

 

Stratfor 3-minute Primer:

 

Update:

1) In general there is chaos as FranceTV put it "it is very confusing, with no official confirmation of any of the actions being reported on"

 

 

2) Up to 35 (of the 44) Hostages have apparently been killed in the Algerian rescue (retake) operation, with hostages freed (one Irishman);
2a) All 8 of the hostage-takers have apparently been killed

Who is Mokhtar Belmokhtar?

 

3) A US Drone is now on site to take a look for the first time;

4) The UK's Cameron was not informed before the Algerian operation (and wanted to be consulted);

5) Stratfor's concern is that Algeria's action will bring more militants across the border and threaten more Westerners and energy production

There are hundreds of smaller oil and gas fields in between, to the west of In Amenas and around the central desert region surrounding In Salah. Algeria lacks the capacity to provide a robust security presence for all of these sites, nor can it afford to suspend operations given the aggressive oil and gas production expansions planned for 2013. Algeria cannot maintain a permanent security presence at every production site across its territory, but as evidenced by the Jan.16 attack, they are capable of quickly organizing regional security forces at sites of unrest.

 

6) BP is pulling all non-essential staff out

 

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Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:23 | 3162798 THE DORK OF CORK
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Playing it safe me thinks…………….

http://www.lngworldnews.com/belgium-zeebrugge-re-exports-lng-cargo-5/

Economic policy in Europe is all about getting through just one more Winter , and another ,and another until the clock stops.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:23 | 3162801 spankfish
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I like what you have done there, MalgeriaTMtradmark Nazi sarc/off.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:28 | 3162804 Jack Burton
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Hard to get real good information on any of this. I honestly would have expected Algeria to hand off this hostage crisis to the USA, as I am sure we offered to take it on. The Navy keeps 1 Seal team on permanent standby to fly off to just such an event as this. This is what they train for over and over again. Basically it is a perfect case of the weapon being suited to the job. It now seems Algeria decided to go it alone and shoot up the place, thus killing most everyone.

France marched into Mali dreaming of glory. Seems that they are using air strikes that are killing civilians just like Assad of Syria who is condemned by France for airstrikes against proven Al-Qaeda fighting forces. So we have the case of good Al-Qaeda and bad Al-Qaeda. NATO's Al-Qaeda kill for a good cause, and chop of heads and kill Christians to further a NATO take over of Syria. Thus they are Good - AlQaeda. The Mali are not pro NATO and thus bad Al-Qaeda.

Putin of Russia, in talks with NATO and the USA, warned them that alliances with Al-Qaeda were dangerous and would result in more killing and instability. He told NATO officials that alliance with Sunni Muslim Jihad was a bad idea. But the US and NATO think they are smarter, and can effectively use Al-Qaeda to gain western control over non alligend states like Syria. We are seeing the fruits of US and Al-Qaeda cooperation. First the Benghazi killings by a faction of Libyan Al-Qaeda not allied to NATO, and now the Algeria attack by Al-Qaeda not allied to NATO.

The Syrian Al-Qaeda allies of America are already killing Christians and calling for Jihad to install an extremist Muslim government in Syria. The US thinks it can use Al-Qaeda to bring down Assad, then move them aside to install a secular, or Muslim brotherhood government in Syria allied with Israel adn the USA. But, Putin gave good advice, this whole NATO - Al-Qaed alliance is going to hell, and very fast. Stupid power mad American neo con whack jobs are running the US foreign and military policy. They bogged us down in Afghanistan, they sent us to war in Iraq for a decade and ended up with a Shia government in charge, partly allied to Iran. Hardly the idea of the war!

As long as Israel and their neo cons run American foreign policy and military policy, we can expect more disasters like 9/11, Iraq, Benghazi and now Algeria. Who is next? My guess is the huge Mislim population of France has a few ticking anti western time bombs among it's numbers, and like in Britian, they will bomb something. London transport riders were bombed a few year back by British Muslims. The French can expect the same.

Obama! Bush? Romney? Clinton? Who cares, they all take orders from Israel and all turn over US foreign policy to Israeli allied American neo cons. More bad things are coming.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:39 | 3162894 ebworthen
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Western civilization, and civilization itself, is threatened by radical Islam; but those crazy muzzies will be defended by the very civilized people who base their self-esteem on being tolerant of anyone and anything - and who will talk of dialogue and understanding and openness - right up to the moment their throat is cut in the name of Allah.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:01 | 3163018 W74
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Destroy Zionist influence from the West.

Separate Islam from the West.

Then...Peace and Prosperity in the West.

 

After that the Muslim world won't really give a shit.  We leave them alone, they leave us alone.  There's no more Zion to pillage and control and oppress anyone on either side anymore.  Would Peace would not be far behind after that.  Good luck getting any of this to actually happen though.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:14 | 3163078 ebworthen
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zzzzzzz

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:31 | 3163151 walküre
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indeed.... "western civilisation is threatened by islam [..]" YAWN

Since when are muslims or islamists running amok with a printing press and flooding the world with worthless paper promises to pay? Is Wall Street run by a) Jews b) Christians or c) Muslims? Does Ben Bernanke kiss a carpet 5 times per day and bow his head to the East? Maybe he does but I doubt it very much. Get a clue and ask yourself this question. How did the Jews get away with all that gold from Egypt? Enough to build the "Golden Calf" in the desert? They must have been the best paid slaves in the history of mankind. It's all downhill from there.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:19 | 3163099 shovelhead
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"on being tolerant of anyone and anything"

Including wholesale murder of non Islamics.

But everyone seems to accept a little 'collateral damage' now and then as long as it fits their philosophical inclinations.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:47 | 3162933 walküre
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France is overrun by muslims from the Maghreb. That could get real ugly real quick. The youth is naturally unemployed because "work" is so not compatible with Islam. They're lazy as can be and the reputation has killed almost all opportunities that the French were willing to offer. Now you've got Maghreb "ghettos" around Paris, Lyon and Marseille to name the three biggest. You have increased unemployment among white French workers as well. Potential reasons for ethnic and labor conflicts galore. Now the host nation is invading muslim Maghreb shitholes which these neo-islamist youth are still calling their "home" despite them being born and raised in France.

1789 happened a very long time ago. The spirit is still present to this day though.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:32 | 3163164 AnAnonymous
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Mali is part of Maghreb?

Dont let a detail put in the way, that is the recipe for an 'american' fantasy...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:01 | 3163297 walküre
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was referring to Algeria which is where the action is going to be soon.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:06 | 3163330 AnAnonymous
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Indeed, indeed

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Now the host nation is invading muslim Maghreb shitholes
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Ah, 'americans', their duplicity knows no bounds...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 23:54 | 3165178 akak
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Ah, Chinese shitizens.

Their pooped-up cities know no bounds ...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:57 | 3162995 W74
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Even on sites like this where most posters have the ability to think for themselves it still seems you got some thumbs downs from brainwashed zion supporters.  This is truly sad, and the reason America (and indeed the whole Western World) is constantly being thrown under the bus.  The left and the right (both government and the general public) both play the game according to the zionist playbook and both have elements who blindly support our international overlords.

Wake up and SEE folks.  Elightenment is wonderful once you get here.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:34 | 3163172 catacl1sm
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What's going in Algeria/Mali is exactly why I DON'T believe the terrorist meme when it comes to the US, Britain, and Spain. Attacking civilians in cities does not accomplish anything for the terrorists per se. Attacking vital infrastructure, like this oil/gas field makes sense. If terrorists in the US, Britain, etc REALLY want to hurt these countries then they would attack oil pipelines or refining plants.

Why bother bombing plains, trains, and automobiles and blow yourself up when you could take out planes during take-off/landing with a couple of well placed .50 rounds from a sniper position?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:59 | 3163292 linrom
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Good post, Jack.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:24 | 3162805 hugovanderbubble
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Maroc , the next Revolution...Dont forget Chad and Catalonia, Senegal and Moldova(Transnitria)

 

* Buy Threshold Pharmaceuticals at 4.6$ target 17$ 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:23 | 3162808 Flakmeister
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Too bad all the ex-SS guys in the FFL are no longer active... They would have set shit straight...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:25 | 3162814 ebworthen
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In the big picture it's "monkeys" fighting over "bananas".

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:26 | 3162820 Iam Yue2
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Françafrique

Hollande the socialist in neo-colonial clothing.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:39 | 3162832 THE DORK OF CORK
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Nat gas is needed for neo - liberal polices to continue as it is less capital intensive (higher profits  for the fat controllers / less wages)

 

You can see the final stage of the credit boom in Spain began around 1992 ~

Replacing Nuclear plants which were abandoned while half built in the mid 80s.

 

http://www.iea.org/stats/pdf_graphs/ESELEC.pdf

 

This plant for example never went critical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ed0Nija_J8

 

The above deluded man does not seem to realize the built envoirment post 1986 cannot be sustained long term via Nat gas extraction.

His standard of living will soon collapse.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:32 | 3162844 SmoothCoolSmoke
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  1. China's been gettig too big a foothold in Africa.  The west needed a reason to "go in".  And wha-la!  here she is!
Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:48 | 3162941 W74
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The Chinese have to do SOMETHING with their 100,000,000 surplus males.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:34 | 3163170 AnAnonymous
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For the moment, 'american' nations are doing something.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:37 | 3163188 catacl1sm
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^^ They sent one here to be a shill. Can someone buy this guy a Russian bride or something?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:39 | 3163196 Chump
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American citizenism Russian or Russian Russian?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 16:03 | 3163553 akak
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You'll have to be more specific --- are you referring to US 'american' Russian US citizenism citizens, or Russian 'american' US citizenism citizens, or American US 'american' Russian citizenism citizens, or Russian US 'american' citizenism citizens, or American Russian US 'american' citizenism citizens, or Russian US 'american' 'russian' citizenism citizens?  Because the differences are the mattering thing, the crustiest bit.

Make me laugh.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 16:33 | 3163695 Chump
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Yes.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:46 | 3163231 AnAnonymous
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A shill to whom?

This is of course to be put away in the same place as any other 'american' fantasy.

But 'americans' can not mediate reality without the use of propaganda and reality.

They need to point at the very inexistent Chinese military doings to hide their constant military activity.

So yes, one day, the 100 or 1000 million unmmarried males in China would move to invade all places. So 'Americans' say. In the meantime, 'americans' are doing the job...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:04 | 3163320 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, failed and bitter academic, said:

But 'americans' can not mediate reality without the use of propaganda and reality.

Made me much laughings vigorously. You wander the pheriphery of sanity and pour your philosphics based on macropsia-addled americanoia with religious faith, that is a faith rooted in a no evidence ground.

Your incapability for self indiction renders you incapable to visionate that your ranting is nothing more than the wok calling the cooking marmit black.

It is as strong as opening a door by operating the handle.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:18 | 3163381 AnAnonymous
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More fantasy... As expected from an 'american'

'American' charitable souls lead them to illustrate anything told about them.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:36 | 3163458 TheFourthStooge-ing
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More AnAnonymous hogwashings.

You know. That is when a Chinese citizenism citizen manages to produce the same cheap result with his half baked cheap Chinese citizenism propagandalism.

It is somehow funny, same Chinese citizenism line of thought that give somehow that human beings (or more exactly Chinese citizenism citizens) are unable to impact the roadside.

So lets see it through common sense: if indeed the natural roadside flows were to match the Chinese citizenism citizen digestation tract flows, what should be the terminal point?

Because right now, Chinese citizenism roadsides are poo covered, plentifully.

After Chinese citizenism citizen treatment, it will be the same?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:33 | 3162855 dscott8186
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Now watch the price of oil and natural gas on the world markets.  The whole point of attacking oil and gas facilities in Algeria, Nigeria and elsewhere is to prop up the price of energy to fund the murderous plan of the Iranian Mullahs. Who is the world's number one sponsor of terrorism? The take over of Islam by the Shiite sect and then establish a world wide Caliphate.  It is their religion and no one is going to negotiate their beliefs otherwise.  The Madhi must come and he comes only during world wide chaos.  al Queda are just useful idiots and cannon fodder for them because most of them really don't know who is funding them.

http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/ 

Wait for it, wait for it, watch for the renewed push for the green scam of renewable energy.  Algae oil to gasoline at $20/gallon.  Wind generators at 30 cents a kwhr. Solar power at 25 cents a kwhr.  On and on it goes, the few, the elite, the self enriching taking advantage of the many.  

You were warned over 200 years ago by some dead white guy named James Madison in Federalist Paper #62.  http://constitution.org/fed/federa62.htm 

Another effect of public instability is the unreasonable advantage it gives to the sagacious, the enterprising, and the moneyed few over the industrious and uniformed mass of the people. Every new regulation concerning commerce or revenue, or in any way affecting the value of the different species of property, presents a new harvest to those who watch the change, and can trace its consequences; a harvest, reared not by themselves, but by the toils and cares of the great body of their fellow-citizens. This is a state of things in which it may be said with some truth that laws are made for the few, not for the many.

In another point of view, great injury results from an unstable government. The want of confidence in the public councils damps every useful undertaking, the success and profit of which may depend on a continuance of existing arrangements. What prudent merchant will hazard his fortunes in any new branch of commerce when he knows not but that his plans may be rendered unlawful before they can be executed? What farmer or manufacturer will lay himself out for the encouragement given to any particular cultivation or establishment, when he can have no assurance that his preparatory labors and advances will not render him a victim to an inconstant government? In a word, no great improvement or laudable enterprise can go forward which requires the auspices of a steady system of national policy.

How's that Hope and Change working for you?  

I told you so...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:47 | 3162926 W74
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Iran is the bad guy?  Somebody's been brainwashed by the Zionist media.

Sorry, but Iran is the most civilized country in the middle east, the most beautiful, and with the most infrastructure.  All this DESPITE Western sanctions (courtesy of Israel and the countries it controls like the US and Britain) and geopolitical isolation.

 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 20:08 | 3164522 dscott8186
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Do you even have the smallest comprehension of the Shiite sect's belief system? If you did you would be frightened at the prospect of them having nuclear bombs.  

I suggest you read up on the Mahdi and Sunni's condemning the Shiites as heretics.  Once you understand them, you will understand why there is an unspoken alliance between the Saudi ruling family and Israel against Iran.  You will understand why the Wahabists are funding the civil war in Syria against Assad.

 

 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:53 | 3163254 linrom
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I think you are right. Ever since Khomeini and the Iranian Islamic Revolution, Iran's agents had usurped and instigated conflicts in order to advance Shiite Islamists Supremacy in the region. and manipulate commodity markets.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:33 | 3162858 djsmps
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US Drone is now on site to take a look for the first time

I never in a million years would have expected that.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:34 | 3162873 Randy Goodnight
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I always wonder how people with speech impediments get gigs as news anchors (or fake news anchors in this case)

I'm not dissing people with disabilities or anything, it just makes it really hard to focus on the content.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:42 | 3162912 Volaille de Bresse
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It's a US cover-up op to hide Boeing's problems with their 787 flying turd!

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:43 | 3162918 Volaille de Bresse
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So how many peanut butter eaters I mean respectable US citizens have bitten the dust today...?

 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:48 | 3162946 Flakmeister
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I can't help it, every time I see your handle I get a longing for roast chicken....

I can recall shelling out 825FF for chapon de Bresse for Xmas one year.... worth every sou...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:46 | 3162924 JR
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 “further endangering Westerners and energy infrastructure”

That’s the voice of George Friedman (Stratfor) in his most important warmonger role; fanning the flames of yet another Mediterranean war. And this one, perhaps more than any of the others, has the fingerprints of the CIA all over it.

The U.S., with the War Party’s support, builds the case for establishing yet another puppet conservancy that will oversee vast stretches of oil producing acreage for the benefit of the banker empire. No longer has the United Nations any credibility because of its subservience to U.S. financial control.

One sovereign nation after another falls like dominoes to the empire’s thirst for not only oil but political control leading to allocation of labor and resources to fit their planet-wide monopoly.

As Paul Craig Roberts asks, Does the New World Order Threaten the US? And answers, Of course not. The US is the NWO.

As author Michael Jones relates: “The crowning achievement of Hillary’s tenure as Secretary of State during Obama’s first term was the rape and looting of Libya, an achievement best symbolized by her raucous laughter when she heard the news that Muammar Khadaffi’s convoy had just been nuked by American drones.

“Khadaffi’s car was flying a white flag when it was attacked. Deliberately shooting a man who is holding a white flag was known as an act of barbarism, until, that is Hillary redefined the diplomatic lifestyle. Hillary summarized her achievement in Libya when she said ‘We came, we saw, he died,’ and then burst out laughing at her own clever alteration of Julius Caesar’s famous phrase.” 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:04 | 3163035 earnyermoney
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Her crowning achievment was the killing of Mr. Stevens.

 

No one should be surprised as  she ordered the Branch Davidian BBQ.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:09 | 3163053 Flakmeister
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Q: What do you call Branch Davidian children?

A: Kindling....

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:42 | 3163211 catacl1sm
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I laughed, but down voted you anyway.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:55 | 3163272 Flakmeister
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Yeah, it's that kind of thing...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:09 | 3163341 AnAnonymous
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Their achievement keeps rolling on as this crisis is a direct consequence of the Libyan 'american' resolution.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:24 | 3163408 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"Libya was a bad place before being freed by US citizens." -- AnAnonymous

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:47 | 3162938 THE DORK OF CORK
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Strange video from Valencia southern Spain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyQdm4XEjy0

Unfinished metro line 5.
2010 – 2013 Roses – Riba Roja 9.4 km 5 (Rosas, Cova, Dam, Mas Traver, Riba-Roja) 38.2 million euros

It seems so quiet………..a modern Flanders field.

To watch Americans talking about the gas boom is sad.

There was a LNG gas boom in Spain……………now the tankers have gone for the most part (if it loses Algeria............)

Gas comes and goes in a flash……….its very different from Hydro , Nuclear or even coal power.
Unlike the UK is does not have the same ratio of 1970s era coal plants to back up its basic needs which exploded post 1992

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:00 | 3163008 earnyermoney
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Drone see's the one Irish citizen hoisting a Guiness after kicking ass.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 13:51 | 3162960 Fix It Again Timmy
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Algerian air force quickly dropped bombs and left because they didn't want to miss a Baywatch episode...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:03 | 3163022 Arkadaba
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The War on Mali. What you Should Know: An Eldorado of Uranium, Gold, Petroleum, Strategic Minerals …

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-on-mali-what-you-should-know/5319093

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:13 | 3163072 JR
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Powerful summary by Teichman: “God help any country and its people with natural resources to be exploited."

And he explains:  “So here we have it

“Whatever is reported by the mainstream media, the goal of this new war is no other than stripping yet another country of its natural resources by securing the access of international corporations to do it.  What is being done now in Mali through bombs and bullets is being done to Ireland, Greece, Portugal and Spain by means of debt enslavement.

“And the people suffer and die.”

Thanks! Arkadaba. Teichman's got it.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:05 | 3163321 AnAnonymous
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What you Should Know: An Eldorado of Uranium, Gold, Petroleum, Strategic Minerals …
_________________________

Nope.

All these resources are already allocated.

The theft was performed by 'americans' a long time ago.

What is going on is simple: 'americans' can only save the 'american' middle class by pushing some of it under the train.
And 'american' middle class is to be found in 'American' nations mostly.

Mali is France's turf. That is why most of the other 'american' nations looked favourably when the touaregs got weapons in Libya. 'Americans' declared immediately a weapons army on Mali to make the job go more easily.
The creation of a new State would allow all the wealth to be reallocated to some other 'american'nations.

France stepped in to avoid seeing all their contracts being voided by the creation of a new state.
Other 'american' nations simply offering lip services as they all hoped for the creation of a new state so they can get the resources contracts.

Then the game went out of control. Raiders crossed borders from Libya into Algeria and killed some 'americans', directly involving the 'american' nations that wanted to stay on the side lines, wishing for the creation of a new state.

It all flared up with Algerians spreading oil on the fire.

'Americanism' is gaining ground. Everyone is using 'american' tactics these days...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 22:18 | 3164946 dvfco
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What You Should Know:  Watch out for French Men, they fight with their feet and fuck with their face.

 

Couldn't resist that one.  

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:07 | 3163049 Aurora Ex Machina
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Anyone using the term "Jihadist" is directly working for Santa's little Elves. It's an operant word, designed purely to instill a stereotypical response from home viewers (as crafted by MSM), and cut off critical thought, but at the same time it's a sneaky nod that these are the "official" bad guys, who we've got a handle on.

Or, think of it this way: Islam uses the word "Jihad" for many reasons, some of them including violence, but using it is essentially agreeing with their stance. The effect would be as if you were reporting on Syria, and kept stating that the "Crusaders of Light" were being fought against, and how the "Crusaders of Light" needed to be stopped, and how you were actively engaged against the "Crusaders of Light".

Which nicely provides the operant training for your other viewers, as reached by Al-Jazeera and so on. As long as you label the sanctioned bad guys with the title, you can avoid the Lebanese problem.

 

 

Always think about the meanings you've not considered, because they sure as hell have been part of the design; these are heuristics designed to classify, instill & define thoughts.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:19 | 3163102 Canucklehead
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Parsing the word "jihad" is similar to worrying about the size of magazine clips.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:23 | 3163112 Aurora Ex Machina
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Words define the world...

Or, at the very least, define whether 8 bullets in a clip is naughty or not.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:56 | 3163278 shovelhead
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So according to you, we can assume that when Islamists use the term 'Jihad' it means they're bringing cookies and tea so they can chat about how lovely their prohpet is and why you should join up.

Got it.

Perhaps these evangelists got a little over-enthusiastic because the tea was cooling off?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:35 | 3163376 Aurora Ex Machina
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Depends on the people involved; much like I don't lump in the Amish as the same as the Mormons as the Jehova's Witnesses, even if they follow  the same Biblical faith (roughly, Mormon gets an extra-special add-on book).

As already stated, Jihad has various meanings, is a central tenet to Islam (the 6th unwritten pillar etc), and you've totally missed my actual point.

 

I'll try again: The label "Jihadist" is a postitive term in Islam. You're sitting there congratulating and cheer-leading them on for following God's word. Think a little at the amusement it causes in the minds of certain people to have the American MSM "secretly" lauding their actions every time the word is used on air.

 

 

Irony is the killer blade of the enlightened, hidden in plain sight and all that, but hey, keep on hating those strawmen.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:48 | 3163505 Ghordius
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+1 Aurora. "Jihad's" usual translations are "Great Work", "Great Effort", "Great, Pios Deed" and so on and on

In fact, Crusader is an ambiguos word, in our languages - can't compare with "Jihad", which can only be positive

When Bush II was using the word "Crusader" (he did it for a while - even describing himself as such) I was thinking: now if they translate him in Arabic they have to take the word "Jihadist" or it literally get's completely wrong and lost in translation

in short, if US politicians would speak Arabic, you would hear Jihad! Jihad for the children! Jihad for the nation! Jihad our safety! Jihad against gun violence! Jihad for gun rights! simply all the time...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 23:07 | 3165081 Canucklehead
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That reminds me of why the Greeks thought others were barbarians.... ba, ba, ba...

So what is your point?  Arab translators are severely limited in translating other languages into their own?  Whose problem is that?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 06:55 | 3165551 Ghordius
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the deeper point is made by Aurora, not me. read her post again, at the very beginning

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 17:09 | 3163846 shovelhead
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The actual irony is that jihad literally translated means struggle.

Pehaps only you and and those who enjoy conflict are defining the terms.

I personally wouldn't include someone wrestling with the moral implications of goat humping a 'Jihadist', although they may consider themselves as such.

 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:49 | 3163504 JR
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Aurora Ex Machina's erudite argument drives in his point.

The stakes in the Middle East involve two opposing sides: one supported by the followers of Islam and the other supported by the followers of the western search for Empire (the U.S. and Israel).

So, each side has its words and definition such as “Jihad” for Muslims. interesting how on the other side of the coin, which George Friedman’s anchor man fails to mention, the word “Jew” also has its double meaning. But political correctness in the United States limits it to only one.

From The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit:

“Since the term Jews actually gets used with some frequency, its use is determined by the political advantage of those who use it. Thus, it is permissible in some circles to use the group designation when Jews are victims of some attack, but any reference to Jews as the perpetrators of some attack is, again, ipso facto evidence of anti-Semitism and also a sign of conspiracy mania as well. It’s heads I win, tails you lose. So, again, according to another variation of the canons of contemporary discourse, it is permissible to say that Jews played a large role in the civil rights movement, but it would be anti-Semitic to say that they played a large role in the abortion rights movement.”

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 17:38 | 3163958 shovelhead
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They can be a Jewish Revolutionary Spirit in technical terms only if their mother was Jewish.

All others are just revolutionary spirits, politically correct or otherwise even if dad is a rabbi.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 17:38 | 3163960 shovelhead
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They can be a Jewish Revolutionary Spirit in technical terms only if their mother was Jewish.

All others are just revolutionary spirits, politically correct or otherwise even if dad is a rabbi.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 17:39 | 3163961 shovelhead
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Dup.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 18:18 | 3164098 Flakmeister
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Trip it would seem....

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:23 | 3163117 AnAnonymous
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The raiders did not cross the malian borders.

They were expected there by the Algerian army.

They crossed the borders of that newly established 'american' nation, Libya.

So yes, Strafor can warn about more Malian border crossing...

As long as the Libyan border remains open, it wont matter much.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:42 | 3163207 magpie
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Forget the gold, uranium and shale gas for a moment and inhale the Desertec and Mediterrenean Union hopium...ahhhh

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:55 | 3163267 slackrabbit
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wow we'll need to be there for at least 12 years....and remember its not about resouces....like the uranium there etc.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:54 | 3163271 ZeroAvatar
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ANYTHING that might cause a problem with the inbound flight path to Iran must be negated, BOTH sides of the Meditteranean.

 

This is ultimately about IRAN. 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:13 | 3163360 AnAnonymous
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No. It is just some 'american' great game that went wrong.

All these rebels were supposed to push for the creation of a new state. They were certainly not expected to cross borders from Libya to raid in Algeria. 'American' ways are known by now and people can easily go round the 'american' methods. Or worse, the rebels are led by an 'american'

The algerian treatment of the situation also worsened the situation as it forced certain 'american' nations that would have preferred to stay on the side lines to commit themselves.

Now Algerians seem to know 'american' ways too...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:55 | 3163273 gnomon
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Draft all of the drones that were to be flying American Skies and send them over to Africa.  (Is that a silver lining, or what?).

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:33 | 3163436 Aurora Ex Machina
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Bit late to the game there skippy:

...the Air Force has built a miltimillion dollar facility to host MQ-9 Reaper drones at a tiny airstrip in Arba Minch, Ethiopia... This is the first I’ve heard of a U.S. base so far inside Africa. We’ve got Camp Lemonier in Djibouti that serves as the hub of operations against terrorists in the Horn of Africa — especially in Somalia and across the Gulf of Aden in Yemen– and we’re reportedly building a handful of additional drone airfields in the Horn of Africa. We also fly drones from the Seychelles (as shown in the pic above) and ships off the Somali coast. [source, Oct 28th 2011]

The US government is expanding its drone base in the East African nation of Djibouti to escalate its assassination strikes in Somalia and Yemen.

The US military has been flying armed drones over both countries from a base in Djibouti and is planning to build a second base in Ethiopia, a report by the Washington Post says. [source Oct 27th 2012]

 

That makes at least five publically known bases active / being built at this point in time.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:47 | 3163499 hooligan2009
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do the chinese have terrorist facilities outside their borders (in Africa) too?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 16:15 | 3163506 hooligan2009
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oops....i called the anti-terrorist amercan faciities "terrorist bases" my bad.. i guess if the chinese have similar THEIRS  would be the terrorist bases...my bad

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:38 | 3163460 hooligan2009
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the moslems don't behave themselves now in france. i doubt that france's actions will encourage moslems to eat snails

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/international/article/10/muslim-war-graves...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/muslim-graves-desecrated-in-french-war-...

\sarc on 

stratfor and others miss the reason for the involvement of France totally.

the snail eaters have located pepe le peu, the well known pimpernel and all round scallywag who is responsible for ruining Hollandes economic goals by NOT burning sufficient cars

http://world.time.com/2013/01/03/in-france-nothing-says-happy-new-year-l...

"Interior Minister Manuel Valls also revealed that figures provided by fire, police and insurance officials indicate that somewhere between 42,000 and 60,000 automobiles are intentionally torched in France every year. The majority of those go up in smoke in or near the disadvantaged suburban housing projects located outside most French cities. 


the snail eaters have hated arabs much longer than most, mainly because the arabs have higher iqs and won't run away

 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:49 | 3163510 Fix It Again Timmy
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The State Department, CIA, Pentagon and Foreign Policy could be replaced with any 3 year old who could say, "Bomb 'em".  Talk about a cost savings...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 18:50 | 3164235 hooligan2009
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so this is about the might of NATO and African "allies" kicking 150 "al qaeda" operatives on camels?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 20:36 | 3164630 SmittyinLA
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I noticed on that Africa gold mining show all the Chinese mining operations were fenced and guarded by locals with ak47s, (so the chicom resource operations are safe) at least from local thugs.

 

 

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