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Boehner To Obama: "No Budget, No Pay"

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And the game continues as Speaker Boehner appears to be kicking the can across the corridor to the Senate (and implicitly the Democrats) as he quite specifically advises them that with no budget, there is no talk of debt-ceiling extensions. The principle is simple, he notes, "no budget, no pay." As Dow Jones reports, the 'compromise' deal is that the House will propose a three-month extension of the debt-ceiling in exchange for a budget (i.e. spending cuts from the Senate) - which of course is all but impossible given the years of inability to pass a budget anyway. Check to Obama (though we know the response)...


Following are excerpts of House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-OH) closing remarks as at the House Republican members retreat today, as prepared:

“Before there is any long-term debt limit increase, a budget should be passed that cuts spending. The Democratic-controlled Senate has failed to pass a budget for four years.  That is a shameful run that needs to end, this year.


“We are going to pursue strategies that will obligate the Senate to finally join the House in confronting the government’s spending problem.  The principle is simple: no budget, no pay. ...


“A long-term increase in the debt limit that is not preceded by meaningful and responsible reductions in government spending might avert a default, but it would also invite a downgrade of our nation’s credit that damages our economy, hurts families and small businesses, and destroys jobs.”

Via Dow Jones:


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Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:40 | 3166655 Cognitive Dissonance
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Blind man's bluff?

<Or the blind leading the blind?>

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:47 | 3166671 francis_sawyer
Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:57 | 3166716 Temporalist
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No ticket, no laundry!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:05 | 3166749 trav777
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who cares? Just do whatever anyway

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:13 | 3166787 pods
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They are merely fighting over the wheel of the Titanic, after it hit the iceberg.


Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:38 | 3167187 LawsofPhysics
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It's their job to manage the country and budget.  If I don't do my job, I don't get paid.  Why should my representation be any different?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:59 | 3167249 Manthong
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Now there’s an idea..

If the White House and Senate do not produce a budget as required by law, the House should stop the paychecks for everyone in the Senate, White House and their respective departments.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:45 | 3166672 Lohn Jocke
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Debt is good. As long as our money is sound. Our money is sound as  long as we believe that debt is good. Our debt is good as long as our money is sound. Our money is sound as long as...........

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:46 | 3166676 Snakeeyes
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Beohner will surrender like the French at Dien Bien Phu as soon as the MSM demonize him. Same with McConnell.

Spending is out of control as is debt. We ARE beyond the point of no return.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:17 | 3166811 azzhatter
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Was he crying during this announcement?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:24 | 3167130 Nick Jihad
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Bad analogy. The French surrendered at Dien Bien Phu only after a long and tenacious defense that inflicted huge casualties on the North Vietnamese.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 23:01 | 3168278 Buck Johnson
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Your exactly right, we are at a point.  The point we are at is the fact that we have finally reached the end of our credit limit and now we have to adjust to austerity.  But politically it's suicide for all of them and that is why they are throwing it back and forth.  You have a president who have finally stood up to the republicans but at the wrong time.  And you have a republican congress who think that Obama will buckle.  Then you have a group in congress who wants it to all fall apart because that way they can build it up the way they want after the collapse. 

We have the perfect storm waiting for us.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:44 | 3166665 Lohn Jocke
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"Not raising the debt ceiling is like a family not paying their credit card bills to save money," - Stupid Sheep, Raising the debt ceiling is like a family taking out a third credit card to pay off their credit card debt.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:50 | 3166693 Sauk Leader
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Worse, it is like taking out a third credit card to make the minimum interest payments on the other cards, then go buy a new TV and upgrade your cable package.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:01 | 3166730 dark pools of soros
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or go straight to the strip club and invest in boob bucks

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:11 | 3166779 MachoMan
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bullshit.  An investment in tits would be vastly better than what the funny money typically buys...

[not that I condone any of the theft otherwise referred to as taxation or inflation, but at least titties aren't ethereal...  it's the closest thing to sound money any of this fiat will see]

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:26 | 3167139 SilverIsKing
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But quality matters and they do depreciate over time.

Perhaps one can think of it as deflation.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:16 | 3166802 azzhatter
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Dumb fuck Obama, we don't pay our bills now

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:44 | 3166666 Debeachesand Je...
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It's the "no balls leading no balls".





Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:45 | 3166670 Doña K
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Yes! But it may backfire and give an excuse for Obama to pull a Chavez on the US.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:49 | 3166691 mr1963
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About f-in time. Pres and senate have not done a meaningful budget in years.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:36 | 3167180 mortem-tyrannus
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This is Speaker Boehner's chance to nut up.

Hope springs eternal....

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:42 | 3166657 HD
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Big deal. Millionaires won't get their allowance from taxpayers for a couple weeks. NO ONE goes to congress for the paycheck - that's not how they make their money.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:51 | 3166701 Winston Churchill
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If it included no benes or insider trading it would work.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:00 | 3166727 HD
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 Indeed. But if you can't lie, cheat and steal why be in Congress?

If the party stopped they would all immediately retire to "spend more time with family". Not that that would be a bad thing...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:45 | 3166950 ATM
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If you can't lie, steal and cheat you wouldn't BE in Congress!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 21:23 | 3168099 Raymond K Hessel
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They front run the market and come out millionaires. 


I want to be a Congressman... or atleast an aide.  Same difference in terms of insider trading exemption.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:42 | 3166658 kliguy38
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Boner will fold like a cheap suit when his masters tell him to........same puppeteers as O's...all Kabuki theater for the peeps

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:43 | 3166661 dick cheneys ghost
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These whores dont care if they dont get paid. K Street pimps will take care of them....What a joke

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:44 | 3166664 busted by the b...
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Wow, did he grow a set?

He will cry before it's over.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:47 | 3166669 mayhem_korner
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So the tough talking (sarc) Boehner has attempted to draw a line in the sand, and uses the threat of...wait for it...a "downgrade" as his stick (the pay thing is a patsy, we all know it).  Any remaining wonder as to why the U.S. is spiraling down the toilet bowl has now been eradicated.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:46 | 3166673 SmallerGovNow2
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bunch of f'ing clowns, every last one of them ...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:46 | 3166674 Unprepared
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No Budget, No Pay;


No Budget, No Pay; No Budget, No Pay;

No Budget, No Pay.

'Cause - 'cause - 'cause I remember when we used to sit
In a government yard in Washington,
Oba - obaserving the 'ypocrites - yeah! -
Mingle with the good people we meet, yeah!
Good friends we have, oh, good friends we have lost
Along the way, yeah!
In this great future, you can't forget your boss;
So dry your tears, I seh. Yeah!


Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:48 | 3166685 Unprepared
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No Budget, No Pay;
No Budget, No Pay. Eh, yeah!
A little Bohner, don't shed no tears:
No Budget, No Pay. Eh!

Said - said - said I remember when we used to sit
In the government yard in Washington, yeah!
And then Georgie would make the fire lights,
I seh, logwood burnin' through the nights, yeah!
Then we would cook cornmeal porridge, say,
Of which I'll share with you, yeah!
My feet is my only carriage
And so I've got to push on through.
Oh, while I'm gone,
Everything's gonna be all right!
Everything's gonna be all right!
Everything's gonna be all right, yeah!
Everything's gonna be all right!
Everything's gonna be all right-a!
Everything's gonna be all right!
Everything's gonna be all right, yeah!
Everything's gonna be all right!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:45 | 3166675 Dr. Engali
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Did he cry before or after he said that?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:48 | 3166682 mayhem_korner
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Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:11 | 3166781 kralizec
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Did the carrot-stain fade?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:46 | 3166679 Xibalba
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rally!  oh wait. 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:47 | 3166681 semperfi
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They get paid?  Who pays them? 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:48 | 3166688 mayhem_korner
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These days, Ben does.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:59 | 3166724 Seasmoke
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but who signs Bens check ???

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:08 | 3166766 XitSam
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They do.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:09 | 3166768 Doña K
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The largest HP printer in the world. The problem is that ink supply is geting tight lately.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:31 | 3167153 ItchyBeard
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They use squid ink

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 19:21 | 3167832 Bunga Bunga
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They can print ink.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:49 | 3166694 Canadian Dirtlump
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if these guys aren't careful they may end up getting depressed and committing suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head 3 times with the wrong hand.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:56 | 3166704 RSBriggs
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Yeah, after driving themselves to a secluded location while rolled up in a carpet...  Just ask Vincent....

Or falling asleep and getting hit by a train after tieing themselves to some railroad tracks just as a joke.

Or, for the really clever, shooting themselves in the chest 9 times with a .45, without touching the gun.  Now THAT'S tough.

Accidentally falling off a boat in the middle of the ocean and not being missed for a day...  Thats another of my favorites....

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:30 | 3167152 TerminalDebt
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drowning in 6 inches of water in their bathtub like simmons, that too

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:10 | 3166773 XitSam
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There's a correct hand to shoot yourself in the back of the head?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:17 | 3166807 RSBriggs
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No, but if you're left handed, for example, you normally wouldn't shoot a gun with your off (right) hand.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:31 | 3167158 TerminalDebt
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you probably get tired after the first 2 shots and change hands

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:50 | 3166699 RSBriggs
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That works for me.  Shut it down and send them all home. 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:52 | 3166703 100pcDredge
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No whát? Budger? Whats thát?

Anyway: no nothing, no ehm... something!


What about 'imaginary pay' - in general?

How's that?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:52 | 3166705 youngman
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Great idea I think....but it should be no staff pay barber health club...all their bennies...and any cost overruns should come out of their pensions

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:53 | 3166707 surf0766
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Whatever it takes to keep my 61 year old baby boomer golfing asshole neighbor happy is what should be done.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:32 | 3167163 TerminalDebt
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free viagra then?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:54 | 3166710 jubber
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The boy who cried Wolf.... market rallying

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:56 | 3166713 Racer
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Don't they get a load of backhanders and pay is so very little in comparison

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:58 | 3166714 Dr. Engali
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Ok Mr. Boner let me set you straight. Ben in printing more in 21 days than you took in from your last revenue increase. The time for budgets is long past. The reality is your only option is to spend until we collapse. Everything else is just hot air.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:57 | 3166717 pods
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So wait, this time Boner is really serious?

He is like a beaten dog, going back time and again.

Same thing will happen when some type of gun control comes up.  He will really hold the line, get whacked around in the press and cave.

He is the whipping boy of the theater.

As Boortz used to say:  "Somebody has to make the fries."


Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:57 | 3166718 Seasmoke
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No Pay, No Pussy

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:05 | 3166747 exi1ed0ne
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This is Congress.  No Pay, No Mangina.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 21:55 | 3168163 Curt W
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That is bad

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 11:49 | 3168751 Papasmurf
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Vote up!

Vote down!


No Pay, No Pussy

A Boehner is useless w/o pussy.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:59 | 3166723 shovelhead
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Does Boehner realize he is messing with the space-time continuum if he doesn't accept 'The dog ate my homework' excuse?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:59 | 3166726 DavidC
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Oh God, please, make it end...


Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:01 | 3166733 loveyajimbo
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Hope Boner has the nuts to hang in there this time... but doubt it... We need a change of GOP leadership... Rubio, Thune, maybe Issa... Christie is out, he was seen on this knees in front of Obunga last week...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:11 | 3166782 pods
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In case you haven't been paying attention the GOP is now playing the part of the Washington Generals.

They ain't supposed to win.


Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:12 | 3166785 kralizec
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And they don't need any help, sit back and enjoy the show.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:01 | 3166734 Poetic injustice
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Sounds like a good deal!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:48 | 3166966 cxl9
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Not getting paid after 4 years of not doing their jobs? Sounds about right for government.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:07 | 3166751 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Hey, let's get Obama/Boner to do something everybody would like:

Change the date of Martin Luther King Jr. Day to the Monday after 

the Super Bowl.

You can view and sign the petition here:

Pretty Good idea IMO

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:06 | 3166752 Dr. Engali
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If ever there was a shining example of the emasculated American male Boner is it.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:14 | 3166791 kralizec
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It's OK, he will be pushed to the back of the litter box after the 2014 elections...why vote for liberal-lite when full value can be had?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:14 | 3166792 pods
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A silver eagle says he sits when he pees!


Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:07 | 3166753 john_connor
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Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:07 | 3166756 905ozs
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This is a ridiculous debate ZH

Rothschild Inc own, dictate to both puppets, it is a facade, we all non- sheeple know this

A lovely mirage

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:21 | 3166828 IridiumRebel
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reporting and supporting are different

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:07 | 3166761 buzzsaw99
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Is this Boehner's first year in the House? How long has CONgreff gone without a budget now? Boehner = pathetic.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:08 | 3166765 kaa1016
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The trade is short VXX via puts due to a flattening of the VIX curve going out 3 months. Wow what a drop in vol.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:12 | 3166780 hedgeless_horseman
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Nah, the trade is to scalp the "must keep AAPL over $500" algos for fractions of a cent millions of times.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:11 | 3166772 Super Broccoli
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what's the point ? republicans got no more nuts than democrats, they're going to raise the debt ceiling anyway. Pay with american's mastercard and we'll see later ! you never know, maybe we'll find a quadrillion dollars worth of gold somewhere in the US ? maybe jesus will come back ? maybe aliens will buy salt water for petrol ?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:14 | 3166790 GoBadgers
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If you're gonna cave, might as well do it now. The theatrics make you look pitiful.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:18 | 3166814 IridiumRebel
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"The last time the Democratic-led Senate adopted a budget was in April 2009. The Senate and House are supposed to pass budget resolutions early each year to set a spending framework, though there is no enforcement mechanism. Without a budget resolution, appropriations bills allocate money for the federal government.

Leaders said the tactic of short-term debt-limit increases was used in the 1980s during the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush as a prelude to broader agreements on spending cuts.

“No one is talking about default, no one wants to default,” South Carolina Republican Mick Mulvaney, who voted against the 2011 debt-ceiling deal, said in an interview today with Bloomberg Television. There is a “lot of support growing” among the rank and file for a short-term debt limit, he said.

The comments by Mulvaney and Ryan reflected the new political realities following President Barack Obama’s re-election that are spurring House Republicans to reassess their goals."

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:20 | 3166820 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Wow.  Seems a bit early to use this move just to ramp the SP.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:23 | 3166841 RSBriggs
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Must. Get. Apple.  Above.  $500.  By.  Market. Close.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:24 | 3166845 jim249
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The republicans are putty on Obamma's hands and he knows it. What a bunch of two faced wimps.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:24 | 3166851 905ozs
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Boy & girls, there is no silver left...but

It is a farce.
Look after your family.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:27 | 3166868 yogibear
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Buckling Boehner will give in. The democrats know the republicans will appear to fight publically but will agree. We have a 1 party system.

Higher and higher deficits, more spending and can kicking. 


Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:06 | 3167062 905ozs
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A simple truth.

The Fed, BoE, BIS…Rothschild  et al etc are privately owned & utterly ruthless. Collectively, they have been the masterfully controlled the system, fundamentally, Our very existence from birth to death has become indentured to Them.

Our very survival is dependent on their benevolent wishes. But, They aren’t benevolent, they are evil & their plan for Our planet is nothing less than enslavement.

They are called Rothschid Inc & short of a coordinated global revolution, We are powerless.

Water, Food, Shelter, Silver & LIFE are at their whim.
My research on these creatures over 20 odd years has led me to the conclusion;
Rothschild are the executive & Regina, Elite are the Field Marshals.

The Generals (deliver the fodder of pseudosecurity, failed politicians & perpetual war…and entertainment) industrio/political class
the Lieutenants , your Military functionaries, bureaurcrat class.

DUCK & see to your family’s welfare

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:09 | 3167071 rsnoble
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Excuse me but aren't we on a 2 month extension now?

Probably just buying more time to get as many guns as possible before they fuck everyone. LOL.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:15 | 3167097 FoeHammer
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End of week gold smash.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:24 | 3167132 905ozs
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with all it's challenges in South Africa
Glad I won't be living in the Euro or USA in the next 3 years

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:53 | 3167226 Falconsixone
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I've got a buget all written up.

Give me a call.

No problem.

Happy to do it.


Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:56 | 3167240 Falconsixone
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Oh! I also went ahead and put together your debt ceiling.

Your 40 floors above it.

Give me a call.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 19:43 | 3167878 robnume
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Like these fuckin' crooks are gonna let themselves go without pay. In fact, even though tens of millions of U.S. citizens are going without food or medicine these days, CONgress is sure to vote themselves yet another pay rise. Someone really oughta take 'em to task. They need to pay, not be paid.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 22:02 | 3168177 Curt W
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It was me.

I threw this Idea to the winds several times in the last year, on Yahoo news and cnn money.

Only my version was a little tougher.

New law :  No elected Politician shall be paid unless the budget is balanced.

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 08:21 | 3168597 Disenchanted
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Don't fret for the Congress Critters and their lost paychecks, they'd still be getting plenty of cash(or renumerations in other forms) under the table from the bankster/MIC conglomerates and their lobbyists.

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 11:43 | 3168744 Papasmurf
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Who needs pay when you can position your bets, then create a crisis?

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