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If You Are Unemployed In These States, Move!

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According to Bloomberg's rankings (based on wealth disparity, average unemployment benefits, and overall unemployment pool), and somewhat confirming the food-divide discussion we had last night, the following states are the worst to live in if you are unemployed. Connecticut tops the list with its massive wealth disparity - more than one $200,000 household for every household earning less than $10,000. New York, California, and D.C. are close behind with Oregon and Alabama in 19th and 20th 'worst' place to be unemployed. Welcome to the bifurcated un-recovery.

 

 

Methodology

Bloomberg Rankings used three criteria to identify the worst states to be unemployed: income replacement, or average unemployment benefits (as of the 2Q 2012) as a percentage of median state income per capita; unemployment pool, or how states stack up on unemployment, using October 2012 rates; and wealth disparity, the ratio of households with incomes of at least $200,000 to those with incomes of less than $10,000, according to the most recently available data from 2009. Each state was ranked on the three criteria and the ranks were averaged.

 

Source: Bloomberg Briefs

 


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Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:00 | Link to Comment docj
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With few exceptions, you could change the title to "If you are unemployed in a state that voted for Obama, move".

Though I'm pretty sure the people who live in the other states would just assume you stay put.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:04 | Link to Comment The Juggernaut
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Alaska?!?!?  Then whats the best state to be unemployed...?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Stackers
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Montana

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:35 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Arkansas is apparently a good place to go according to all the unemployed folks moving in...  the cost of living is definitely low... 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Matt
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It seems that the order rank of the table is suggesting that if you are poor, you should move to a State where everyone else is poor, too.

That doesn't seem like a good idea. If you are poor, wouldn't you be better off having more wealthy people around you, so there is more food and less competition at the food bank, and more manual labor jobs available to be done on a self-employed level working for cash for the wealthy people?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment urwright
Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Alaska is an odd duck in a lot of ways. The largest city is 300k, the second and third largest cities are tied at 30k each, and it goes down fast from there. Continuing from memory, the state population is 750k.

Generally, unemployment can be very "sticky" because of a few factors. First, if you ever lived in a small town, there is generic work or there is not. What kind of jobs do you think you will find in a small town like Nome? There is a structually high unemployment in AK largely because about half the state lives in rural situations. That doesn't change a lot regardless of what the lower 48 is doing.

On the other hand, professionals are always needed, so if you are a nurse, engineer, accountant, you will have multiple offers to choose from depending on the circumstances.

Personally, I find it is a great place to live and I have done well for myself after moving up about two years ago. But then again, I am an engineer type. If I had to make it working a non-professional type gig, I don't think I could make the numbers fit the cost of living.

Regards,

Cooter

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment trav777
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stupid fking article, dumber conclusions.

Wouldn't you WANT such a tiny number of households earning less than 10k?  Wouldn't you WANT a big multiple of those earning high paychecks to those earning crappy ones?

Yeah, life is great when everyone earns <10k and nobody makes that evil 200k

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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This article must have been composed by one of the college intern Tylers (I hope).  The analysis is flawed in its assumptions, there is no separation between what the Bloomberg report’s conclusions were vs. Tylers’, and there is no link to the report.

The three Bloomberg criteria – either individually or together – tell me nothing about why the highest listed states might be the “worst” in which to be unemployed.  In fact, if I were unemployed, I might prefer to be unemployed in these states BECAUSE OF the reasons cited in the report (many of these good reasons are explained in the other comments here).

For example I would WANT TO be unemployed in a state where there were a higher number of wealthy households than poor – not because of my prospects for work -  but because of the increased security that unemployment benefits will be available.

This piece slipped through ZH normally great QA/QC filters.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 17:55 | Link to Comment monoloco
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 It seems like those states with the most "job creators" should be the best for the unemployed. What gives?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 17:54 | Link to Comment monoloco
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 It seems like those states with the most "job creators" should be the best for the unemployed. What gives?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 18:01 | Link to Comment kareninca
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I agree with Matt.  I'm from Connecticut, and my family is there.  If I had to be a poor person, I would rather be there, where there are lots of resources for poor people, and where what counts as "poor" would count as rich elsewhere.  My parents tell me of the awful poverty that they see around them in CT  -  and then they describe it  -  and I laugh.  They haven't a *clue* what the rest of the country is like.  Well, actually they do  -  but they still think that everyone around them in CT should be in comfortable circumstances.  Which is good.  And yes, they give a LOT to their local food bank, and help in many other ways.

They earn far less than $200k per year (esp. now that they're retired, but they earned less than that even when working), but more than the median for the state.

There are lots of jobs in CT, even now.  However, they pay about $9 per hour, which admittedly isn't a living wage there.  And I wouldn't want that to be my only option, for certain.  However the jobs do exist  -  because, I imagine, there are so many really rich people around to pay those wages.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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I'm surprised Mississippi is on the list. I was there last Fall and things (food, etc) were dirt cheap.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment catacl1sm
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Were the iPads cheaper?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Freddie
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+1

If you voted for dear mullah muslim and are unemployed - stay the ***k where you are.  We don't want you here.    ****ing locusts and parasites.

Keep watching Operation Mockingbird (aka TV and Hollywood) like the good little sheep that you are. 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:24 | Link to Comment docj
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Case in point - New Hampshire.

NH used to be a reliable fiscal libertarian/conservative state and because of the mass-influx of libtards who moved there since the early 90's allegedly because they "like the lifestyle" it is now electorally indistinguishable from MA and VT.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment pods
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Statists are like kudzu.  

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Bohm Squad
Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Oleander
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This does not take Mass Health into consideration. Free healthcare and prescription drugs for the uninsured. Its why many unemployed stay.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Richardk888
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Right, because Romney would have been so much better?

I would say if you voted for Romney or Obama instead

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment docj
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Wow, so pointing out an electoral fact (that 75% of these voted for King Putt and 25% voted for The Mormon) hit a little too close to home, eh Rich?

Relax, amigo. We were (and are) doomed regardless of who won last year's beauty pagent.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Idisq
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King Putt +1 lol

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 16:19 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Look dumbass you had no choice.  They pushed Ron Paul to the side.  Sheldon casino magnate whatever his name is was backing Romney and CFR Gingrich to make sure Santorum lost.  Romney used vote fraud to beat Santorum in the Midwest.  He did it in the big cities in MI, WI, OH and one or two others.  Santorum had Romney beaten.

Obama then used the same and much greater vote fraud to beat Romney.  Romney did not say dick because he used the same theft on Santorum. Rove/Bush was in there doing plenty of dirty work too.

As much as I do not like Romney - the newsmedia would not be kissing Romney's arse like they have for Mullah for the past 5+ years.  So based on what the NWO/ Operation Mockingbird media has done - out of our no choice - Romney was the better choice. 

Now go F off.

 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Richardk888
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There is always a choice fucktard.

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil.

I will continue to vote Libertarian until the clowns in the GOP put up a real candidate.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment foodstampbarry
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Plus infinity Freddie. Well done sir.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:12 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Hello, how do the working poor fit into this proposal?  What utter garbarge.  I know lots of employed folks in Cali, living in the fucking ghetto.

Wages do matter (that will get me on a list).

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment secret_sam
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Yeah, not even to get into the fact that it's tough to move when ya got no money and noplace to go.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Kudos to anyone living on minimum wage in California without taking gub benefits and shit. HOW!?

If you spend 20 bucks a week on gas (which means you strictly go to work and back, given your work is less than 10 miles away and traffic is not horrendous), that's already a grand.

Food? Where we're going, we don't need no... food.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:00 | Link to Comment Snakeeyes
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Why should they move if they get Section 8, food stamps, welfare, disability, cell phones, etc. Oh, the ones that WANT to work?

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/poverty-in-the-usa-an...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:04 | Link to Comment wonderatitall
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move to the jersey shore. sandy makes obamanomics look brillant. every asshole in the northeast with a hemi is here...what fun and  better obamabenefits....paradise for the rich democrats that can afford it

 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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One of my hands took a week off.  Loaded his truck with almost two tons of fuel and came back with almost 10K in cash.

capitalism, bitches.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment walküre
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not to mention the effect this has on "new housing start".

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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It's easy to boost 'housing starts' when zero down loans are widespread.

My question is how many of these defualt within 5 years? Stats so far show these are the highest defaulters. When the person has no skin in the game (nothing to lose) walking away or not paying your mortgage is pretty easy for people.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Matt
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That price gouging criminal! Doesn't he know that making a profit providng people with a good or service at an agreed upon price, rather than the government mandated price, is a crime?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment millus
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I call that free enterprise!  Wake up and get a clue.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Rapada
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I think you missed his /sarc

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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The Jersey shore is going to be relocated westward.  Christie is going to build a sand dune from Sandy Hook to Cape May.  How far west of the high tide mark?  TBD.  I don't think that you'll be able to get flood insurance if you're within 1000 feet of the beach...we'll see.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment tickhound
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The War on Water should prove to be as effective as the Maginot Line.

I'd be moving my gold out of this floodplain too.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Silver Bully
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jersey shore? You could always hitch a ride to Rockaway Beach. It's not far to reach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6siGKxcKol0

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:01 | Link to Comment NoTTD
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Republican Governors: 6

Democrat Governors: 14

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:07 | Link to Comment docj
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Voted for King Putt: 15

Voted for The Mormon: 5

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:11 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Voted in favor of the status quo and corporatism/fascism: 20

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment DarthVaderMentor
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Actual Score:   Republican 5

Democratic 15

 

Subtract New Jersey, since he is really a Democratic governor!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Move to where exactly?

<Just askin' cus.....>

No work

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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Into the woodchipper, slaves!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Antifaschistische
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This migration of actual workers is exactly why parasitism must go national.

ParasiteNation must be able to redistribute wealth from the healthy states to the parasitic states.  It's descrimination in favor of parasites.  Which of course is also the recipe for the destruction of a society but that's not relevant right now.   Go POTUS.

So the uber-parasites (Wall Street) skim their trillions.  The under-parasitic get free skooters and food stamps.  And everyone in the middle is waking up and starting to hide their wealth from both.   (what? did we run out of silver and bullets!)

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Silver Bully
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"Move to where exactly?"

Better not be Texas. We shoot zombies on sight.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:05 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Um, shouldn't that be bail out of those states if you are employed?

After all, who is the target revenue source to support those failing welfare systems and state/local pensions? 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Mike2756
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My thought, if you are rich, move!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Welcome to the shining city on the hill.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Shining from the Iodine and Cesium from Fukashima.  Especially on teh West Coast of the USA.  Hopefully in Nancy Pelosi's nor cal vineyards.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:36 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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We will sell no wine... before it's irradiated...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Yo Francis. Got (1000x more irradiated than before Fuku) milk?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Luckily ~ I get my milk from the dairy cows right next door, 3,000 miles east of CA... [Though I'm sure some of that has worked it's way here by now ~ I'm REALLY afraid to check, & besides, there's nothing I can do about it anyway cept maybe cut down on eating bananas]...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Matt
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You can keep your body topped up on Iodine and Potassium, so your body doesn't try to absorb the radioactive iodine and cesium. Cutting out the bananas might make it worse, if you don't have another potassium source. 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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MATERS ~ eat 'em like a fiend...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 17:44 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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I didn't get you at first.  You say maters, I say moters.  I have a bunch of little seedlings about 3 inches tall.  I think seaweed is another great source of iodine.  It also happens to store well.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 17:55 | Link to Comment akak
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Yes, there are VERY few sources of iodine in the normal diet.  Iodized salt is the most common and obvious one, but seafoods are another, and the very best is, as you say, sea vegetables (edible seaweeds), particularly the kelps.  Most are not overly strong tasting --- I particularly like dulse, which is a red seaweed rather than a brown seaweed (the latter of which contain the kelps).

You can order them from the following US source, Maine Coast Sea Vegetables, the best I have found online:

http://www.seaveg.com/shop/

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 07:39 | Link to Comment The Heart
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Darn, a total shift and now you want to be serious. Well OK.

Here for your entertainment purposes is a small report.

We have all watched the readings on this map progressively grow in greater and greater counts. It continues to go higher and higher and higher since the day after the tragic meltdowns.:

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/index.htm

And here are some reports from a few brothers that are keeping a close track on this up above the border from all the good eastern folks.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g_Qh7xe44k&feature=share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYiM16DAPmc&feature=share

In the middle of the country, it also continues to accumulate and we are getting higher readings too.

This real deal is ONLY getting worse and is being allowed to. So, what is good to eat and drink is only determined by a real check with a quality counter. The Inspector Alert is a good one and can be found cheaply here:

http://www.amazon.com/International-Medcom-Inspector-Alert-Contamination...

Potassium Iodine is a good thing to take lightly almost daily:

http://www.amazon.com/World-Organic-Liquid-Potassium-Iodide/dp/B0002UJ6V...

Now back to our regularly scheduled on-topic commentary.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment caconhma
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Yes, I do remember the “great” American President and shitty Hollywood actor Ronald Reagan.

He was the real cofounder of the today America:

- He spoke big freedom, free-market economy, and democracy but

- He spent like there was no tomorrow

- He opened a flood gate for illegals

- He started "manage" financial markets (remember the Plunge Protection Team)

- He appointed Greenspan, put bracks on financial criminals’ prosecution and promoted leveraged buyouts

- After Vietnam, he started wars of aggression

- He and his neo-cons put America on a road to fascism and economic ruins

 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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right to work, bitchez

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Poetic injustice
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Work is guaranteed, payment is not!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Jason T
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All Blue States

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:23 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Alabama, Georgia, Alaska?  How stupid are you?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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7 out of top 10 are(counting DC)-and they're some biggies-IL,NY,CA

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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What is the definition of "ALL" again asshole?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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relax-or does your boyfriend have "ALL" of his fist up your ass?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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DC is a "state'?... Is it actually one of the 57?...

~~~

QUICK! Name the two senators from 'District of Columbia'!... [& don't be an ass & say Walter Johnson & Frank Howard]...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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I meant to include DC even though it was not a state smartass. some days this site reminds me of Rhetoric 101.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Relax otto... I was really referring to the chart itself [which included DC as a state]...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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DC is a mistake.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Another perfect example of why Americans are fucked.  No ability to communicate because fags (must be, otherwise why mention fisting) like otto change the definitions of words to suit their argument.  Gee, let me guess which unemployed "minority" you belong to? 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:45 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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so the ability to communicate automatically includes you using the word "asshole"? and in 20 years handsome white men will be a minority in the US.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Shit, they already are (at least looking at my crew), wonder when they will get the benefits of minority status and that free tutuion and such?   What?  No obamaphone for whitey?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:55 | Link to Comment retiringteach
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white-trash german faggot!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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OK ~

retiringteach has been on ZH for 3 weeks & 6 days... Among the above comment ~ he had this gem from this morning:

http://www.zerohedge.com/comment/reply/468525/3165873

Please be advised & rest comfortably that the graduates of the New York City public school system of the most recent generation have been properly indoctrinated...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Rogue Trooper
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Francis... that link was as priceless.

retiringteach could be a gift that just keeps giving.

Bitchez, subscribe for more laughs!  AnAnonymous finally has some amerikan competition?

MOLON LABE!

Rogue

"Fear Not You Have An M1A"TM

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Blythes Master
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Stupid worthless indoctrinating cunt.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Rogue Trooper
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Tyler(s) ... there is a price to your success.

E.g.... a MORON like retiringteach.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 22:38 | Link to Comment moonstears
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LOLOLOL  ^ very funny, the one below, too, it's like sixth grade in here sometimes, I love ZH, did I mention that? Upticks for otto and retiringteach!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Jay
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Not getting why "wealth disparity" is a bad thing for the unemployed. Seems like it would be much easier to find work where people are making money compared to where they aren't. The slums of Mexico City would be the best place to live if you're unemployed?

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment secret_sam
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There are pros and cons.  You're right that in theory, you're more likely to be able to find work selling your ass when there are lots of rich folks around, but on the flipside, survival expenses are greater in places where folks have lots of money.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Yeah but poor people never want to initiate construction or upgrade amenities or buy new cars or hire a plumber or an electrician or a carpenter or a gardner.  When they do some kind of upgrade they always do it themselves.  Rich people, when not in fear of becoming poor will generally spend on damned near anything.  I would much rather be the "poor" guy living amongst the rich than a "poor" guy living amongst the poor.    

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment secret_sam
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It's the SURVIVAL expenses that are the concern for the poor, not the price to renovate the kitchen in granite and stainless, dude.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 16:56 | Link to Comment notadouche
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That's exactly right but a poor man can't get work from another poor man who can only concern themselves on SURVIVAL expenses while I have a chance to earn money offering my skills and services to the rich guy looking to spend on "needs" that go above and beyond SURVIVAL needs.  Which was my point all along dude. 

Having been a poor man, having been in construction getting work from the rich man and having also been, not wealthy but well to do enough to hire out work I've been on all ends of that cycle so I'm quite familiar with all phases and needs and wants of each.  

 At the rate my wife continues to spend at the damned malls I will apparenlty have the pleasure of making the full circle ride back to poor man.  Yeah ME!!!!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment secret_sam
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I'm pretty poor these days, and personally I prefer hanging mostly with other po'folk because we share a lot of common interests.  The rich folks don't like buying services from us anyway--there are high-end businesses catering to their desires. 

It's not even practical to run an illegal gypsy cab driving folks from the airport these days. 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 20:28 | Link to Comment notadouche
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I hear you.  Besides I suppose you can kind of say "misery loves company" though by no means am I saying being poor automatically equates to being miserable.  The one thing I do feel is that it is much easier to be poor when your young like I was. Born into it and lived until my early 30's.  Being poor is much tougher the older you get especially if you have gotten out of practice of being poor.   

There is a big difference in being poor and being broke.  Being broke mentality gives you some hope that it's a temporary situation and you still have plans, hopes and dreams of attaining wealth.  Being poor is a mindset that gets into your bones and gives you the feeling of hopelessness and helplessness and there is nothing you can do to change it and you get overwhelmed and attain a less than proud, depressive state of being that is very permanent.

My two brothers never broke free from the "being poor" mentality and everything they did and said more or less became self fulfilling prophecies.  

Whatever your situation is good luck and just keep on going without giving up.  The only day a man or woman loses is the day they give up.

 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 23:20 | Link to Comment secret_sam
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Being poor's a drag, but as I've gotten older, I've gotten hecka saner and wiser.  I'm far happier today than I was 15 years ago when I was young and earning big bucks.  Some things ya'd just never predict.  I believe that for *all* of us, it is worthwhile an endeavor to perservere.

It's all going to be just fine, no matter what happens.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:23 | Link to Comment CaptainSpaulding
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In Utah, You can pull a Jeremiah Johnson. Just ride due west as the sun sets. Turn left at the Rocky mountians.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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maybe, but there sure as hell aren't as many Crow livers to eat these days as there were then.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:45 | Link to Comment CaptainSpaulding
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No, But there is still bear, beaver, and other critters worth cash money when skinned.  

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment tickhound
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DC #1!!!!

All your tax dollars are belong to our "private sector."

Raytheon, Deloitte, KPMG and the rest of the growth machine thanks you.

 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Silverhog
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Shit load of homes for sale in Massachusetts, hard part is finding a sucker who wants to move here. 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Masshole has a great governor and a Faux-Ca-Haunt-us as a Senator.  As bad as Coumo and BloomTurd in NY.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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Nevermind having to live next door to a bunch of dullards that REFUSED to vote against removing their own state income tax.  

Can you imagine a scenario where you would vote against having your income tax removed?   It lost overwhelmingly.  

Stupid is as stupid does...and you want to live next door to them.  Oy vey.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Northeaster
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We DID vote it by ballot measure and WON in 2000...Beacon Hill IGNORED it and overode THE VOTE. 2008 most probably just figured it was pointless after the FIRST time.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:26 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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I used to listen to Howie Carr and just followed that whole darned affair.  Just amazing...amazing.  

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:18 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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Unfortunately, it is not a question of what state you should move to, but what country.  After, and during the big reset, the US will become Nazi Germany on steroids.  The signs are available to anyone with critical thinking.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:24 | Link to Comment Poetic injustice
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Hey, Big Brother really loves you!
He will feed you and think instead of you, what better life can you wish for!

Edit: And when time comes, you will get boots and new brown shirt!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment Freddie
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NSA listening post in Utah is like the Stasi in East Germany. 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Matt
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Except instead of having 1 percent of the population spying on their neighbours and reporting to the Stasi, you have the majority of people posting their location, activities and opinions on the Internet, and cameras everywhere to make up for those that don't. It's evil, but pretty brilliant.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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have gun, will travel!

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment docj
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Gee, what a shock that median income in Babylon on the Potomac is almost 30% higher than the next-highest on this list (CT).

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:22 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Indeed.  Time to shut down the supply lines to these locals. Unless of course they are willing to exchange with PMs.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:28 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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I thought it was more like Sodom and Gomorrah all rolled into one

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Falconsixone
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I'm waiting for the socialist to go back to California and DC. Then I'll start building a wall around the state for the people that enjoy freedom.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Falconsixone
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Just add 10% to those #'s to get a more realistic #.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:28 | Link to Comment andyupnorth
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Some big aerospace industries in Connecticut.... big salaries vs Mcjob.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Freddie
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All Dem union scum too like Raytheon, Sikorsky and other unionzed Military/Industrial complex union boys.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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Not really.

Insurance industry, especially health insurance.  After all, Hartford is the 'insurance capital of the world'.   Used to be big with military, pratt and whitney,UTC.   Alot of that went away when the mighty 'peace dividend' was reaped.   Each year is a struggle to keep getting funding for electric boat. 

The rest of the big salares are from people that work in NYC.   NY residents have pretty much moved to the whole southern coast of CT to live a 'better life" getting away from the shit they created in NY. 

Same thing in Vermont.  Alot of the scum sucking leftists from NY move up to Vermont with the rapid advancement of the internet and acceptance of telecommuting.  They say they go there for the clean and simple lifestyle and then insert themselves into local governments and then change it so that it's exactly like NYC.  A cancer they are, a real powerful cancer that has money to travel.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Atlantis Consigliore
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"Rome" Rocks... wheres the Gladiatorials? reality tv cmon down....

sick of idols and pimp shows,  put on the Gore....LOL

you think the sheeple get it yet,

buy platinum, buy diamonds,  sell gold (confiscated) 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment helping_friendl...
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The Gladiators are here. It is called Sandy Hook and movie theater massacre etc. to take your mind off the real issues.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment helping_friendl...
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I live in Virginia and the (earn $200,000/earn $10,000) is 0.98? This means their are an equal number of persons making $10,000 or less as there are people making $200,000 or more.

WTF?

 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Some people in the Pentagon bomb brown people & others mop the Pentagon floors...

~~~

You mop...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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i am pissed off !!.....NJ is being shortchanged on this chart, it is clearly the WORST state

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Oregon, the Alabama of the West Coast (apologies to Alabama; I know, I'm not being fair).

/native Oregonian

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment etresoi
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It is quite simple... if you earn a decent amount live in CT, where the disparity in taxes from new york more than pays for your increased commuter costs.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment RSBriggs
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New york is cracking down on that, hitting people for taxes on income earned in the state, regardless of where they reside.  You're likely to get double taxed - paying CT state income taxes and New York state/county/city "earnings" taxes.

I really don't understand why a rational being would so much as take a piss in New York City, much less live or work near there.  Upstate New York state (i.e. anything west of New York City) isn't bad - mostly rural.  All the liberal trash congregates on the coast.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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Truer words never uttered, why feed a beast that constantly provides 'off spring' the likes of Bloomberg, Cuomos, seething derelects and homosexuals.   Utter criminals like those running the banks and the feds.   Those that pollute the minds of our children from the 'hallowed' halls of mind erasing institutions like Columbia and NYU.  

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment notadouche
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In my youth I grew up very poor and all the grown up around me continuosly told their children that the Democrats are for the poor and the Republicans are for the rich thus we must vote Democrat.   One day I spoke up and said it would seem to me that it would be in the Democrats best interest to keep as many people poor and create more poor as that would mean votes and continous power.  Thusly it would be to the Republicans benefit to create as many rich people as possible for the same obvious reasons.  Of course I was smacked around and ridiculed as a stupid kid that just didn't understand.  

I grew up, got educated and realized the people from the old neighborhood were hard working blue collar uneducated morons.  Good people for sure, just not that bright.  I also came to understood that Republicans weren't what I thought they should be and upon closer inspection and experience realized the two parties took different routes and PR campaigns to arrive essentially at the same place and that place was not about benefitting the American people but benefitting the small powerful little groups that supported their elections.  

My brother is a "union man" and if they instructed him to vote for Mickey Mouse then without question that's what he would do.  My neighbor is "good christian man" and without fail he will vote for the most "god fearing conservative" republican.  

What is the point?  Hell I dont' know other than we are just fucked as a society unless you are one of the "insiders and protected".

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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i think the answer, the "point", is that the game is rigged.  Rigged to make you think your vote makes a difference. 

Two wings.  Dem, Rep.   Same ShitBird.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:18 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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" do not try and bend the spoon, it is not possible.instead, only try to realize the truth."

"what truth?"

"there is no spoon..."

"there is no spoon?"

"then you will see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself."

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Fuck yeah CT!!!!! This gets any worse, those gated homes in Westport and Darien will need armed guards and towers to keep the vagrants out! 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Monedas
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"Let's irradiate all the "niggers" (generic for the helpless welfare masses of all races) .... maybe some "chromosome mutation roulette" .... might create a more engaging people .... eager to master life's challenges .... and live free and proud !"  ....    Monedas    1929       Comedy Jihad It Takes A Big Heart To Have Big Dreams World Tour    

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Meatballs
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Planning the move out of CT as we speak. What once was a great state is hearing a giant flushing sound at the hands of Dannel the IDIOT. Anyone who stays here of median or modest means is also an idiot.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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I am in fairfield and planning a move.....

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment notadouche
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I got out in 06 and pretty happy about the timing concerning the selling of the house.  Would move back for many reasons but couldn't afford to move back into the house I bought in 1999.  The taxes alone are ridiculous.  

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:36 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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ridiculous wouldn't cover it......rape would, however.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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Lived there the first 42 years of my life.  Left in 2005.  really, the state is a shithole unless you live in the gold towns which are basically bought and paid for by old money or big time salaries from Boston and NYC.  Hartford has a mill rate of 50 and as such, has no one that really wants to live there.   It's dangerous there and the cops are fiucking thugs. 

The populace is so friggingly stupid.

It never really recovered from when that cesspool floating piece of shit Lowell Weiker first lied to get elected by saying he was against an income tax and then immediately proceeded to put one in place.   That was 92ish.  

Pretty state but that's about it.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment jplotinus
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A poster sez (about Connecticut):

"The population is so friggingly stupid..."

Well, maybe that was the impression formed by that poster's 42 yr sojourn in the Nutmeg State and I have no quarrel with anyone's impression, let alone what they believe. People should believe whatever they can, for as long as they can.

That said, and given the economic emphasis at ZH, one wonders why that poster's observation differs from measurable indicators of intelligence? True, CT has dropped a bit in terms of people with college education, but 4th down to 7th isn't all that consistent with stupidity "friggingly" or otherwise, is it?

Wither Oklahoma or Alabama?

Just askin'

For Immediate Release
Connecticut Drops in National Education Rankings
Falls from 4th to 7th in Percentage of Adults with Degrees

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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As only a person from CT might argue.  By the way, how's that 6.5% income tax going?  What do you get for that?  "Welcome to CT, where people from Puerto Rico go for vacation, and find a free living"

And, as if 'college education' and having a degree is some sign of intelligence?  Perhaps in days gone by...but there are plenty of people with degrees around this country that are dumber than stumps and many of them in high places, and many of them too stupid to formulate their own thoughts.   The college and university system, the whole educational establishment has been thoroughly corrupted as detailled in scores of books authored by Thomas Sowell and others..  If you've got the money and play by their rules, advance their agenda, parrot what they tell, you can get a degree, even from Harvard and Yale, just ask W, someone people KNOW is stupid.   Or Barry Soetero who graduated with what GPA?   How'd he get into Harvard law?   He didn't write one article for the review, and on and on.   CLEARLY that occurred in CT where only a gang of morons of limited critical skills would put Blumenthal into the senate and Malloy into the governorship.   A citizenry that would invite MORE cops on its highways, shaking em down. 

Having a PhD myself, I feel well within the bounds you set to make an assessment.   The shallowness of your argument (well, I got a degree - dat means I'm smart, not stupid, like everyone says) - is well, shallow. 

Look at it this way, I have a main stream media that tells me daily how brilliant barrack obama is, how masterful hillary clinton is and why I should let the TSA fondle and grope my children and me, why I should supplicate to ever harshening police force looking to extract even more 'taxes' from me while limiting what I can and cannot do, by a bunch of would be dictators filling the halls of government.  We also have a media, loaded down with 'intelligent' people telling me that the government is 'working for me'.

Thank you, have a nice day in CT. 

 

 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 20:04 | Link to Comment jplotinus
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"By the way, how's that 6.5% income tax going? What do you get for that? "Welcome to CT, where people from Puerto Rico go for vacation, and find a free living"

Well, for one thing, we get a state ranked in the top 10 in educational measure, rather than near the bottom wherein the Red States may be found. As to what the measured data actually measures, that is anyone's guess. You failed to grasp that I did not quarrel with the poster who said people in CT are "stupid." That poster is entitled to believe whatever that poster can and wants to believe for as long as the poster can.

All I said was measurable data appeared to contradict what that poster claimed to observe and/or believe.

For some people, taxes are always and forever too high. Some people really do not like to pay taxes. Doing so rubs them the wrong way. It encroaches on their lives and makes them feel oppressed. They would apparently like to be without any social obligation. They see themselves as in this life and on this planet by themselves and those they hold dear in some personal sense, be it a clan, a hood, a race, a denomination, or, perhaps, they are more individualistic than even those small social units depend upon. Fine.

Perhaps you are one such?

Perhaps with the ongoing discovery of more and more galaxies, stars and exoplanets, all people will one day have their own individual planet to live on and not pay taxes.

As for earth, it is one planet and human beings are rather closely linked one to the other. We share a planet. One world government, taxes and mutual obligations are part and parcel of the organic structure in which we live. Social development halted at, say, the level of nation states, let alone a gated community, cut off from "the grid," is anachronistic and arbitrary.

The ability to integrate the planet is progressive and is also the direction in which we are headed; albeit, with a degree of resistance from conservative naysayers who would prefer we return to smaller units of social organization because the taxes are too high or because Obama has too much power or whatever.

It's all good.

Move to Texas. The taxes are lower there.

As for me, you're right. I prefer CT.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 20:12 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Having transferred from the south to CT in the early 90's for my job I was shocked by the intellectual prejudiced that existed in the northeast.  The assumption was that being from the south I couldn't possibly match the intelligence of the natives.  That was fine.  I got 3 promotions in 4 years and on the fast track.  I finally explained to some that still didn't get it that just because I may have spoken slower that didn't necessarily mean I thought slower and your assumptions and underestimation of me were easily exploited thank you very much.  On the flip side my dearest friends live in CT even though I was there half as long as my native south but consider CT my home.    

"The way you say Y'ALL is so friggin funny, you sound so stoopid when you say that"   My retort "Youse guys are so much smarter than me, how could I ever compete?"  

Moral of the story is do not underestimate "country dumb".

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment pine_marten
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Surplus population.  Nothing a carefully engineered bug won't take care of.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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that's too much effort and too great a mishap, the bug could find a way to jump.  

How about we just turn the power off and stop trucking in food?

They'll eat each other in about 3 weeks time. 

Bonus Round:  There's less to clean up that way and emaciated corpses weigh less, burn better.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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I read, maybe 15 years ago when the whole terrorism thing was getting play (they were getting us ready for 2001?) that all they would have to do is shut down that pipeline of fresh water into NYC.   There are no desalination plants, and if the water supply would cut off, you'd have what, 11 million refugees after a few days heading out the NJ, CT, upstate NY, squatting, and looking for food and water.  

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Monedas
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$10.000 Households ?  Work for food bums make $10,000 !  

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment jplotinus
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"With few exceptions, you could change the title to "If you are unemployed in a state that voted for Obama, move".

Though I'm pretty sure the people who live in the other states would just assume you stay put."

Really, up voters, really?

There are next to no measurable indicators of well being and of decency of life where Red States, as a whole, compare favorably to Blue ones as a whole. Connecticut and Massachusetts vs Mississippi and Oklahoma is a hands down, no contest outcome where people located in the later are sicker, poorer and dumber, by far, than are the people of the former.

I do not say this to be crass. Rather, it is said in order to encourage an awakening from the Red State tendency to vote against their own interests, objectively considered. I also hasten to add that Red State denizens who support corporatists, NASCAR, and dr pepper are free to do so. It's also fine with me if they prefer to settle their differences by standing their ground and shooting to kill all of those intruders into their homes against whom they must have the protection of assorted assault rifles. I also have no problem with their opposition to publicly funded health as they should be free to pay for their own healthcare and choose their own doctors without Obama telling them what to do.

It appears, though, that they have so many healthcare choices, they can't decide which to use because they sure do skip health and especially dental care a lot.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment AlamoJack
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Yep, all the blood suckers are figuring out that the cost of living and available "work for cash" side jobs are plentiful in the "red" states.  What's really phucking heartwarming about seeing Detroit license plates encroaching the drivers in TEXAS is that these carpet baggers will be VOTING.  Guess they think they want to change TEXAS into their old homestead.  How special of them.  We're just another golden egg laying goose to be killed and eaten.  HEY!  What if they gave an election and nobody voted????  Who then would govern??  Just sayin'.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment UTICA CLUB XX PURE
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Andrew Cuomo [the homo] WIPED HIS ASS WITH THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Uncle Keith
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Reality Check:

 

I know, in the usual ZHer's world, the fantasy is we live in a Capitalist Economy and, if we could Just Let 'The Market' Prevail, everything would be just "Hunky Dory".

 

Reality:

 

We live in the Largest Socialized Economy in the History of The World. So, maybe we should make some adjustments regarding Minimum Wage? Union Guarantee's for Wage Earners? Inheritence Taxes (OK, that one just got fixed...)? Tariff's? Honor The Full Employment Act of 1947? Recind the 1976; '82; '86; 2002 Tax Acts? Trade Agreements with China, Panama, Columbia, Mexico...?

 

Reflect...

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 21:11 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Is that the whistle going off?  Time to stop leaning on your shovel and get back to work.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Meatballs
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I figure you all will like this article on Northeastern "Moonbattery". There are alternatives to CT without leaving New England behind...top column here:

http://www.dowdmuska.com/

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment JethroTull
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Please post a link to the Bloomberg Brief you quote. Googled it to no avail.

 

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment laomei
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Quick! If you're unemployed be sure to pack up your bags and move to a state with horrible education for your kids and no real jobs!  After all, the only way to get a job again is to spend a giant chunk of money to move somewhere where you have no resources to move in and zero connections or support network in place!

 

Dumbest post ever.

 

"Average Weekly Unemployment Benefit" is also a pretty stupid thing to look at.  As in good states it'll run about half of your take-home up to a limit.  Cali, I believe is $450 a week, that's $11.25 an hour and can be met by hitting the median income amount for a single quarter.  That's $23,400 per year and if it's a 2-wage family both unemployed, that's $46,800.  

 

Here's another trend to take note of.  Blue states TEND to payout MORE and have better benefits.  And here's the kicker! Despite having deficit problems, those problems are primarily due to the fact that they do not get the federal spending levels equal to what their federal taxes put into the system.  Nope, that extra money goes to the red welfare states... who, despite that welfare, have sucked forever and continue to suck to live in.

 

Also, in that list of blue states, odds are fairly high that you might end up with a job again. Red states.... not so much luck unless you're willing to take a massive pay-cut and ruin your career.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 16:23 | Link to Comment HeavydutyMexica...
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for those of you thinking of moving to tejas....don't.  we already have enough heathens here.    

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 17:32 | Link to Comment sbenard
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If, on the other hand, you're one of Obama's legions of leeching lemmings, stay where you are! The rest of us want to restore and preserve economic liberty!

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