Ron Paul: "The Coming Debt Limit Drama: Government Wins, We Lose"

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From Ron Paul

The Coming Debt Limit Drama: Government Wins, We Lose

Last week President Obama bluntly warned Congress that he will not negotiate when it comes to raising the statutory debt limit.  If Republicans attempt to use a debt ceiling vote to win concessions on spending from the White House, Mr. Obama threatens simply to raise the limit by executive order or other unilateral action. 

This is business as usual in Washington.  Democrats literally do not believe we have a deficit and debt problem, and reliably propose greater borrowing and spending.  Republicans talk a good game when it comes to government debt, but have no credibility to argue against deficits or abuses of executive power.  Brinksmanship ensues, and ugly compromises are reached at the 11th hour.  We all lose as the endless borrowing and money printing further erode our dollar and our economy.

Keep in mind that the federal government relentlessly spends about $100 billion more each month than it collects in taxes. This means roughly 40% of every dollar Washington spends is borrowed, to be “paid back” only in highly devalued, newly created money. Ultimately this can only lead to the destruction of the US dollar, as history plainly teaches.  But in the face of this reality Obama just shrugs, turning to demagoguery and talk of little old ladies’ Social Security checks . Like Obama, far too many Americans view federal debt as a nonissue.  Consider Paul Krugman, America’s most reliable Keynesian economist and a beloved figure among mainstream journalists.  He recently wrote an article about the debt limit issue, in which he discussed a controversial proposal to have the federal government simply create a platinum coin with a face value of $1 trillion:

“Here’s how it would work: The Treasury would mint a platinum coin with a face value of $1 trillion (or many coins with smaller values; it doesn’t really matter). This coin would immediately be deposited at the Federal Reserve, which would credit the sum to the government’s account. And the government could then write checks against that account, continuing normal operations without issuing new debt.”

To be fair, Mr. Krugman acknowledges that minting such a coin would be an accounting “trick,” but he is dead serious about this option for the Obama administration.  This then is the state of modern economics discourse in America, where a respected New York Times economist literally can propose creating “money for nothing” and have the idea taken seriously. 

Krugman’s suggestion is just another variant of the endless stimulus proposals, which purport to create greater aggregate demand in the economy by creating more money.  Whether this is done by the Fed or the Treasury is of little importance, as long as government is creating demand-side “growth,” however artificial.

But in just a few short sentences Professor Hans-Hermann Hoppe eviscerates the Krugmans of the world by pointing out the obvious: If governments or central banks really can create wealth simply by creating money, why does poverty exist anywhere on earth?  Why haven’t successive rounds of quantitative easing by the US Fed solved our economic recession?  And if Fed money creation really works, and doesn’t create inflation, why haven’t Americans gotten richer as the money supply has grown?

The truth is obvious to everyone.  Fiat currency is not wealth, and the creation of more fiat dollars does not mean that more rice, steel, soybeans, Ipads, or Honda Accords suddenly come into existence.  The creation of new fiat currency simply strengthens a fantasy balance sheet, either by adding to cash reserves or servicing debt.  But this balance sheet wealth is an illusion, just as the notion we can continue to raise the debt limit and borrow money forever is an illusion. 

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Banksters's picture

In order to maintain the semblance of respect and order within our system of finance, cough, usury, the commoners may not use Fasb and/or recieve free money for shit assets.


Ben Shalom Bernank


TruthInSunshine's picture

If you are able to get fiat for free or nearly-for-free, borrow as much as you can, buy shit (including legislators & regulators), and quit worrying.

If you are able to get TBTF status, you have inherited the earth, can loan it out, and buy it back again many times over for a fraction of your cost basis, and you win!

MillionDollarBonus_'s picture

Government wins and we lose? Seriously? ... *snigger* Hey, have any of you libertarian morons heard of democracy by any chance? In a democracy, the government represents the will of the people. The interests of politicians are aligned with the majority of the voting population. It is impossible for a politician to profit at the expense of a responsible citizen. If you don't vote, then that's your problem, idiots. Businesses, on the other hand routinely profit at the expense of customers and workers. If a company sells me a good or service, I have to pay for it. If a company hires me, I have to work at their wage and according to thei time preferences.That's not freedom, that's slavery. Only politicians can provide us with genuine freedom and true happiness.

EscapeKey's picture

Yes, you are absolutely right. The VAST majority of the voting public overwhelmingly supported the billion dollar bailouts, and the banks to be let off the hook from litigation issues repeatedly in the wake of Lehman Bros.

That government is run almost exclusively for the benefit of Wall Street bankers is clearly conspiracy theory, and it is only by sheer luck that it fits the chain of events almost perfectly.

MillionDollarBonus_'s picture

So?? Unlike libertarians, the majority of the population understands basic economics. If America's largest banks had been left to fail, this would have caused an economic recession which would have cost America millions of jobs. Thanks to actions of our congress and Federals Reserve, our stock market is soaring, the housing market is recovering and green shoots are appearing all throughout the economy. Businessmen don't care about jobs or America. The free market is about profit, and nothing else Politicians run for office to help people, and not for personal gain. But libertardians are so obsessed with romantic fantasies of 'liberty' and perfectly functioning 'free markets' that they cannot see this basic reality.

TruthInSunshine's picture

 "Give me control of a nation's [volume of fiat] money and I care not who makes its laws, bitchez." 

-- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

fourchan's picture

The truth is still not obvious to everyone. <--fixed

Cheesy Bastard's picture

Unfortunately the term "debt limit" may be a bit too aggressive.

Sockeye's picture

He punctuated iPad incorrectly, hard to take him seriously.

Shocker's picture

All this QE, Stimulus and not to show for it.

Maybe throwing all this money at the problem, is creating the problem?

Layoff/Closing List


TruthInSunshine's picture

Obama's 1st Draft of Inaugural Speech that was 86'ed by the teleprompter, for those who are curious:


The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

XenoFrog's picture

End game, ladies and gentlemen

TruthInSunshine's picture

My only real complaint with the trillion dollar coin idea (/s) was that they proposed using real platinum in that bitch. What a waste of platinum!

The Dude & Diocletian would definitely not abide.

Eally Ucked's picture

Who the fuck would tell if it's no platnium? No audit allowed


savagegoose's picture

Well it would revlaue the USD. peg it to platumum, at $1USD = 1 000 000 000 000/th of an oz of Pt.

SamAdams's picture

One more time, the value is what is assigned to the coin, not the value of the material itself.  The coin idea was demonized by disinfo agents and the media in order to keep the sheep from waking to the fact that the FED is a privately controlled bank that creates our governments money from thin air, then expects real gold as an interest payment.

In reality, the coin would be FIAT, but FIAT issued by our own government DEBT free.  Yes, this would destabilize the bond market, but that is not the point.  The point was for people to think about how our money is created.  We weren't really going to do this, get it???  The FED would NEVER allow it....

savagegoose's picture

i know its a bullshit game to print more fiat.  but in reality, it devalues all the dollars out there.

FEDbuster's picture

The Free Shit Party doesn't really care about your "reality", they are living in their and MDB's "reality".  Remember in the Matrix the steak still tastes pretty damn good even if you know it isn't real.

The fuse of the fiat currency debt bomb is lit, it's just a matter of time.

EnslavethechildrenforBen's picture

Fake elections, fake politicians and judges. What's real is the bastards have our printing press and are buying drones to bomb our asses... with our own money.


The Juggernaut's picture

Million Dollar Bonus:  You must be a hired shill or something because what you're talking about is absolute nonsense.

trentusa's picture

...but FIAT issued by our own government DEBT free


brilliant point

jeff montanye's picture

bankster had it at the first comment.  it wouldn't have been ethical, it wouldn't have been in the long run best interests of the u.s. (world) economy, it wouldn't have been without a serious inflation penalty, but if the totally sad powers that (used to) be had put those trillions in checks to the poorest half (or out the doors of helicopters like b. shalom boasted/joked), we would have a clickin' tickin' recovery by now.  

wouldn't have been fair but it would have been a damn sight nearer fair than the nasty shit we got.

Will To Live's picture

I think a simpler plan would be to assign a value of $1T to each of my farts.

If you smell it, your rich!

AgAu_man's picture

It's far worse than that: Namely that the vast majority (95%?) don't even know how money/ debt creation really works and what it implies.

Maybe it should be our/ZH mission to educate the 95%. And then Henry Ford's proclamation would come true: "If ppl knew... we'd have revolution by the morning."

TruthInSunshine's picture

 "Maybe it should be our/ZH mission to educate the 95%..."


You can lead a sheople to the path to economic freedom, but you can't make it take that path.

Proofreder's picture


you can lead a horticulture,

but you cannot make her think.

irresistible urge, beg your pardon.

jeff montanye's picture

that's whore to culture.  it's a pun.

fonestar's picture

While the morons in congress may think that their posturing and brinkmanship impresses the most polarized of their constituents, the rest of the world looks on at this circus and asks, "is this where I want to be invested?"

AgAu_man's picture

I know one of his (Mayer Amschel's) descendants a little bit.

You should see what a chick-magnet he is. Stunning chicks!
/ Can't see why. Must be his charm. /sarc

Actually, he is a very charming SOB. You'd be too, in his shoes.

He likes The Precious, though. Much more than Warren Buffe(t) does. It's in his... jeans. ;-)

And his cousin is so stunning, that any normal male would want to jump into her 'gene pool'. And she knows it too.

gtb's picture

How 'bout a link to some pictures...of the cousin.

SamAdams's picture

Satan has had to distance himself from the the Redshields.  Seems they are making him look good...

LynRobison's picture

Wow, a utopia where politicians who have the people's best interest at heart direct the work and production of businesses across the country. There is a name for that system, MDB. It is called fascism.

Chupacabra-322's picture

This clique of the world elite is highly organized, operating in secret through a Byzantine web of “private” organizations set up to make them immune from public scrutiny, accountability and taxes. This group is known by numerous names but they are the Power Elite, the Global Elite who are in essence the Shadow Government of this World, whose extended power is the Anglo-American Establishment. This para-governmental entity, through virtual control of the world economy, greatly determines the course of history. Yet, behind this Global Elite there lurks an even more sinister entity that orchestrates their efforts: this is the Cult of Evil, the oldest religion in the world, whose Black Adepts sit atop of this pyramid of power. And although various researchers point the accusing finger at the Rothschild, the Rockefeller, the Bronfman and the Warburg as the kingpins in the Evil Agenda for World Government they are close but very wrong.

 The real Lords of Power do not show themselves or make their names known. They conceal their person and their motives from all prying eyes and from all public scrutiny. They hide in the shadows, in the dark away from the light, where they conduct their business of corrupting humanity in secret unions and associations. The real powerbrokers do not show themselves and are unknown to almost all who attempt to investigate the true nature of the world in which they live and the way the temporal affairs of this world are really run.

The Rothschilds are near to this Dark Source but they are not its fountainhead, for, the group, the cult, which commands this power is very ancient indeed. It comprises a handful of people in several countries who wield real power and collectively posses the greatest power in the modern world. These few are the Black Adepts from the Cult of Evil and are the leaders of the human agents of Evil whose power base is the Dark Empire of the Secret Societies. This cabal of power does not contain many generals, presidents, Prime Ministers, CEO’s, or bankers since they are not required. For, the fabulous wealth and privilege at the disposal of the Cabal of Evil easily corrupts all and any seeker or holder of power and influence. Regardless of the public perception of charismatic political figures and the perceived power of sovereign parliaments, the real power on Earth lies elsewhere. The Cabal of Evil has all useful people, including venal politicians and religious leaders, in its pockets. Consequently, these corrupted people become the placemen of the Evil Agenda for the Establishment of World Government, which is the Great Conspiracy against God bought to Earth.

This group, the Cabal of Evil, has been shaping European society for many centuries, and its power is so great that it is now able to manipulate the whole world and modify its destiny to suit its Dark Aims. Western Christian Civilization and the Christ Impulse upon which it is founded are especially under attack from this cabal who use a plethora of stratagems of breathtaking subtly with which to destroy any and all resistance to its Dark Aims.

 The Ancient Evil Agenda for World Government is not a Jewish World Conspiracy per se nor is it wholly a Freemasonic Conspiracy or a Roman Catholic Conspiracy headed by the Jesuits. The real architects of it are very, very secret, and take great care to remain hidden from the scrutiny of society. In Britain, there are only three of them, in Ireland, there are two; in France, there are eight, in Germany, there are six: in North and South America, there are twenty. Thus, there are 39 very wealthy men- so uniquely wealthy- they can circumvent any security there is. They have their agents within World Jewry, Freemasonry, the Rosicrucians, the Jesuits and any secret society of any concern at all. Even the much-lauded Priory of Sion lies in their field of control. These people can influence all aspects of society, especially in the judiciary and in politics. They control the United Nations, the European Union and the USA by the placement of agents of influence, their agentur, in key positions. They have, for instance, four of their creatures in crucial posts in the Vatican. They have agents of influence in every political party and trade union. They can do this because they have the power to do this and that power has taken careful planning and generations to amass. Nevertheless, it is a plan whose ultimate architect is a non-human intelligence of great genius, the Dark Lord who is called Ahriman but who the Bible authors often call Satan. The Rothschild’s and others like them in the Ancient Evil Agenda for World Government are the fronts for this secret cabal that remains stubbornly hidden.

The wealth and power the Rothschilds spectacularly gained and in so short a time were paid for in other people’s blood. For, the Rothschilds had become the bankrollers of war. This, of course, was no accident but a coordinated plan not only to become the purveyors of human misery but also the big dealers in the planned death of Western Christian Civilization. In other words, the Rothschilds became the bankrollers of the World Revolutionary Movement.



Chupacabra-322's picture

Queen Elizabeth II of England is the head of the so-called “illuminati” and her minions, the Committee of 300, do her bidding. Here they are:



Committee of 300


Abdullah II of Jordan
Abramovich, Roman Arkadyevich
Ackermann, Josef
Adeane, Edward
Agius, Marcus Ambrose Paul
Ahtisaari, Martti Oiva Kalevi
Akerson, Daniel
Albert II of Belgium
Alexander – Crown Prince of Yugoslavia
Alexandra (Princess) – The Honourable Lady Ogilvy
Alphonse, Louis – Duke of Anjou
Amato, Giuliano
Anderson, Carl A.
Andreotti, Giulio
Andrew (Prince) – Duke of York
Anne – Princess Royal
Anstee, Nick
Ash, Timothy Garton
Astor, William Waldorf – 4th Viscount Astor
August, Ernst – Prince of Hanover
Aven, Pyotr
Balkenende, Jan Peter
Ballmer, Steve
Balls, Ed
Barroso, José Manuel
Beatrix (Queen)
Belka, Marek
Bergsten, C. Fred
Berlusconi, Silvio
Bernake, Ben
Bernhard (Prince) of Lippe-Biesterfeld
Bernstein, Nils
Berwick, Donald
Bildt, Carl
Bischoff, Sir Winfried Franz Wilhen “Win”
Blair, Tony

Blankfein, Lloyd
Blavatnik, Leonard
Bloomberg, Michael
Bolkestein, Frits
Bolkiah, Hassanal
Bonello, Michael C
Bonino, Emma
Boren, David L.
Borwin – Duke of Mecklenburg
Bronfman, Charles Rosner
Bronfman, Edgar Jr.
Bruton, John
Brzezinski, Zbigniew
Budenberg, Robin
Buffet, Warren
Bush, George HW
Cameron, David William Donald
Camilla – Duchess of Cornwall
Cardoso, Fernando Henrique
Carington, Peter – 6th Baron Carrington
Carlos – Duke of Parma
Carlos, Juan – King of Spain
Carney, Mark J.
Carroll, Cynthia
Caruana, Jaime
Castell, Sir William
Chan, Anson
Chan, Margaret
Chan, Norman
Charles – Prince of Wales
Chartres, Richard
Chiaie, Stefano Delle
Chipman, Dr John
Chodiev, Patokh
Christoph, Prince of Schleswig-Holstein
Cicchitto, Fabrizio
Clark, Wesley Kanne Sr. (General)
Clarke, Kenneth
Clegg, Nick
Clinton, Bill
Cohen, Abby Joseph
Cohen, Ronald
Cohn, Gary D.
Colonna, Marcantonio (di Paliano) – Prince and Duke of Paliano
Constantijn (Prince) of the Netherlands
Constantine II Greece
Cooksey, David
Cowen, Brian
Craven, Sir John
Crockett, Andrew
Dadush, Uri
D’Aloisio, Tony
Darling, Alistair
Davies, Sir Howard
Davignon, Étienne
Davis, David
De Rothschild, Benjamin
De Rothschild, David René James
De Rothschild, Evelyn Robert
De Rothschild, Leopold David
Deiss, Joseph
Deripaska, Oleg
Dobson, Michael
Draghi, Mario
Du Plessis, Jan
Dudley, William C.
Duisenberg, Wim
Edward (Prince) – Duke of Kent
Edward (The Prince) – Earl of Wessex
Elkann, John
Emanuele, Vittorio – Prince of Naples, Crown Prince of Italy
Fabrizio (Prince) – Massimo-Brancaccio
Feldstein, Martin Stuart “Marty”
Festing, Matthew
Fillon, François
Fischer, Heinz
Fischer, Joseph Martin
Fischer, Stanley
FitzGerald, Niall
Franz, Duke of Bavaria
Fridman, Mikhail
Friedrich, Georg – Prince of Prussia
Friso (Prince) of Orange-Nassau
Gates, Bill
Geidt, Christopher
Geithner, Timothy
Gibson-Smith, Dr Chris
Gorbachev, Mikhail
Gore, Al
Gotlieb, Allan
Green, Stephen
Greenspan, Alan
Grosvenor, Gerald – 6th Duke of Westminster
Gurría, José Ángel
Gustaf, Carl XVI of Sweden
Hague, William
Hampton, Sir Philip Roy
Hans-Adam II – Prince of Liechtenstein
Harald V Norway
Harper, Stephen
Heisbourg, François
Henri – Grand Duke of Luxembourg
Hildebrand, Philipp
Hills, Carla Anderson
Holbrooke, Richard
Honohan, Patrick
Howard, Alan
Ibragimov, Alijan
Ingves, Stefan Nils Magnus
Isaacson, Walter
Jacobs, Kenneth M.
Julius, DeAnne
Juncker, Jean-Claude
Kenen, Peter
Kerry, John Forbes
King, Mervyn
Kinnock, Glenys
Kissinger, Henry
Knight, Malcolm
Koon, William H. II
Krugman, Paul
Kufuor, John
Lajolo, Giovanni
Lake, Anthony
Lambert, Richard
Lamy, Pascal
Landau, Jean-Pierre
Laurence, Timothy James Hamilton
Leigh-Pemberton, James
Leka, Crown Prince of Albania
Leonard, Mark
Levene, Peter – Baron Levene of Portsoken
Leviev, Lev
Levitt, Arthur
Levy, Michael – Baron Levy
Lieberman, Joe
Livingston, Ian
Loong, Lee Hsien
Lorenz (Prince) of Belgium, Archduke of Austria-Este
Louis-Dreyfus, Gérard
Mabel (Princess) of Orange-Nassau
Mandelson, Peter Benjamin
Manning, Sir David Geoffrey
Margherita – Archduchess of Austria-Este
Margrethe II Denmark
Martínez, Guillermo Ortiz
Mashkevitch, Alexander
Massimo, Stefano (Prince) – Prince of Roccasecca dei Volsci
McDonough, William Joseph
McLarty, Mack
Mersch, Yves
Michael (Prince) of Kent
Michael of Romania
Miliband, David
Miliband, Ed
Mittal, Lakshmi
Moreno, Glen
Moritz – Prince and Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel
Murdoch, Rupert
Napoléon, Charles
Nasser, Jacques
Niblett, Robin
Nichols, Vincent
Nicolás, Adolfo
Noyer, Christian
Ofer, Sammy
Ogilvy, David – 13th Earl of Airlie
Ollila, Jorma Jaakko
Oppenheimer, Nicky
Osborne, George
Oudea, Frederic
Parker, Sir John
Patten, Chris
Pébereau, Michel
Penny, Gareth
Peres, Shimon
Philip (Prince) – Duke of Edinburgh
Pio, Dom Duarte – Duke of Braganza
Pöhl, Karl Otto
Powell, Colin
Prokhorov, Mikhail
Quaden, Guy Baron
Rasmussen, Anders Fogh
Ratzinger, Joseph Alois (Pope Benedict XVI)
Reuben, David
Reuben, Simon
Rhodes, William R. “Bill”
Rice, Susan
Richard (Prince) – Duke of Gloucester
Rifkind, Sir Malcolm Leslie
Ritblat, Sir John
Roach, Stephen S.
Robinson, Mary
Rockefeller, David Jr.
Rockefeller, David Sr.
Rockefeller, Nicholas
Rodríguez, Javier Echevarría
Rogoff, Kenneth Saul “Ken”
Roth, Jean-Pierre
Rothschild, Jacob – 4th Baron Rothschild
Rubenstein, David
Rubin, Robert
Ruspoli, Francesco – 10th Prince of Cerveteri
Safra, Joseph
Safra, Moises
Sands, Peter A.
Sarkozy, Nicolas
Sassoon, Isaac S.D.
Sassoon, James Meyer – Baron Sassoon
Sawers, Sir Robert John
Scardino, Marjorie
Schwab, Klaus
Schwarzenberg, Karel
Schwarzman, Stephen A.
Shapiro, Sidney
Sheinwald, Nigel
Sigismund (Archduke) – Grand Duke of Tuscany
Simeon of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Snowe, Olympia
Sofía (Queen) of Spain
Soros, George
Specter, Arlen
Stern, Ernest
Stevenson, Dennis – Baron Stevenson of Coddenham
Steyer, Tom
Stiglitz, Joseph E.
Strauss-Kahn, Dominique
Straw, Jack
Sutherland, Peter
Tanner, Mary

Tedeschi, Ettore Gotti
Thompson, Mark
Thomson, Dr. James A.
Tietmeyer, Hans
Trichet, Jean-Claude
Tucker, Paul
Van Rompuy, Herman
Vélez, Álvaro Uribe
Verplaetse, Alfons Vicomte
Villiger, Kaspar
Vladimirovna, Maria – Grand Duchess of Russia
Volcker, Paul
Von Habsburg, Otto
Waddaulah, Hassanal Bolkiah Mu’izzaddin
Walker, Sir David Alan
Wallenberg, Jacob
Walsh, John
Warburg, Max
Weber, Axel Alfred
Weill, Michael David
Wellink, Nout
Whitman, Marina von Neumann
Willem-Alexander – Prince of Orange
William (Prince) of Wales
Williams, Dr Rowan
Williams, Shirley – Baroness Williams of Crosby
Wilson, David – Baron Wilson of Tillyorn
Wolfensohn, James David
Wolin, Neal S.
Woolf, Harry – Baron Woolf
Woolsey, R. James Jr.
Worcester, Sir Robert Milton
Wu, Sarah
Zoellick, Robert Bruce

The Global Criminal Cabal Crime Syndicate.


TruthInSunshine's picture

I just want to voice my admittedly juvenile complaint that they let one Ed Balls on The Committee of 300.

EscapeKey's picture

I think we should start a petition to have Ed Balls evicted, and Boris Johnson to take his place.

TruthInSunshine's picture

I'm starting a petition to nominate either Dae-Ho Bang (#29) or Anil Bangar (#31) to The Committee of 300 in the place and stead of Ed Balls.

Dae-Ho Bang & Anil Bangar

FEDbuster's picture

"It's a big club, and you ain't in it." George Carlin

Only one Rothschild?

rodocostarica's picture

Hey folks I don't get it! A great post from Ron Paul and the whole first page of comments I see no thanks to the man (Dr) who at least moved me and made me hopeful of a change for the better in the USA.

So THANKS DR> RON> We love you and so good to see you are going to be active and vocal in your semi retirement.

Say hi to Carol and the family.



BandGap's picture

If there is evil than there is good. I'll live my life thinking that.

Cathartes Aura's picture

very interesting list of names.

on the page you've captured above, at the very bottom is this,


again, very interesting to note, particularly with the most recent amrkn electioneering ties to.

I see Olympia Snowe made the short list, altho her co-hort Kay Bailey Hutchison didn't make the cut.  they're a couple of the "representatives" who keep the "weather modification" plates-spinning. . .been watching their names recur for years now, as I also watch others keep their cherished agendas "alive" for the next in line to give a whirl, y'never know who might get 'em passed, eh. . .

government, voting, working as intended.

sunnyside's picture

Incomplete list.  Where is Oprah?

lasvegaspersona's picture

HILLARY! will be hurt she did not make the list.

Cosimo de Medici's picture

And if it weren't for THEM, you'd be somebody, right?

Truth be told, I really don't think that QEII or that list is your real problem.  Harsh, I know, but somebody has to say it while your still above ground and there's at least a possibility of salvaging something, however slight.

Gimp's picture

Bischoff, Sir Winfried Franz Wilhen “Win”

Thank you a nickname for F**k sake!

shovelhead's picture

One of the Brits was Benny Hill. Architect of Evil.