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Stocks Rise As House Kicks Debt Ceiling Can To May 19; IBM Accounts For 76 Of 73 Up Dow Jones Points

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No sooner had the House got its 212 votes to pass (with 109 Democrats voting against) the debt-ceiling extension "No Budget, No Pay" bill then Silver and US equities began to rise. At the same time, WTI started to crack lower. Now it is over to Harry Reid and the promised 'smooth sailing' through the Senate. As a reminder for all those ebullient Dow watchers, IBM's gains today account for 76 Dow points - which means the remaining 29 names of the Dow are -3 points! The brief risk-on rally is already fading...priced-in? or doesn't matter?

The initial excitement has faded...



Dow's gain entirely due to IBM...


The House, by a vote of 285-144 passed the "No Budget, No Pay" measure that ties a temporary suspension of the federal debt limit with the Senate passing a budget. House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) called the measure "a plan to balance the budget over the next ten years." The deal would raise the government's current $16.4 trillion debt limit until May 19. In exchange, the House and Senate must pass a budget resolution by April 15 or place members' salaries in an escrow account until the chamber acts.

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Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:38 | 3179865 Surly Bear
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That'll be the day...

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:40 | 3179880 fonzannoon
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Oh they will pass a budget. It just won't be balanced. It will have a trillion dollar deficit. But that is okay because now with the debt ceiling and fiscal cliff out of the way the avalanche of growth coming will Shirley offset any deficit.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:46 | 3179911 THX 1178
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What about the Senate?

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:55 | 3179923 Pharming
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH....what about em?  HAHAHA...


Time for a reminder from the Bears...October last year.

"How the Rich Get Richer Explained"

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:55 | 3179944 trav777
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deficit gotta be more than $1T...look at shadow liabilities and other deleverage metrics and you'll know how much additional has to be deficited

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:01 | 3179970 TerminalDebt
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Its basically an unlimited debt ceiling for 3 months, enough time for Timmay to stash a few trillion for a rainy year or two

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:09 | 3179993 JPM Hater001
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Escrow my ass.  Why would we ever give it to them.

In fact I say $5000 a day fine until they all come to a balanced budget.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:27 | 3180052 NotApplicable
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Why would you want to pay a fine?

I don't believe you've thought this "government thing" all the way through.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:50 | 3179927 fonzannoon
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Obummer already said he would sign it. I am not sure why the Senate would hold it up. Once they suspend it that gives them more leeway to just keep it suspended. With all the stuff coming up (NCAA tourney etc.) people will quickly forget we ever had a debt ceiling.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:41 | 3179882 stocktivity
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It's all Bullshit!!!  Rally on.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:00 | 3179965 DCFusor
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Don't worry about our poor lawmakers.  It's only an escrow account, they'll get that money back no matter what - and since we know their official pay is only a tiny fraction of their income (not to mention, bennies) - it won't hurt a bit.  It's the usual stupid stunt.

So, we get to zero deficit in 10 years?  What will the debt be by then?  Then see Krasting's post above.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:08 | 3179989 pods
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There is probably some inane rule that allows the critters to kite checks equalling multiples of their escrow account.


Wed, 01/23/2013 - 16:20 | 3180325 Groundhog Day
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no chance of that.......going down that is

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:38 | 3179868 Al Huxley
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Fuck off, Wall Street.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:38 | 3179869 Wilcat Dafoe
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What does the stock market have to do with the {real} economy?

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:40 | 3179878 Conman
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Ask ben bernake.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:42 | 3179892 otto skorzeny
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nothing-now prepare to be "droned" for speaking the truth

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:00 | 3179968 eclectic syncretist
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"What does the stock market have to do with the {real} economy?"

As much as Federal Reserve Notes have to do with wealth.  Any connection is real only if you believe that it is.  It's an illusion, an eidolon, a willo-the-wisp, like trying to grab and hold the wind.  BS berstanke thinks the market crash of 1929 had a huge effect on the national psyche and it's confidence in ball street banksters, leading to a prolonged depression.  He postulates he can stop it from happening again if he can prop the market long enough for some sort of recovery to manifest itself. 

Here's a good quote from the Berstank to help you understand what's going on with the stock market right now.  "To the extent that bank panics interfere with normal flows of credit, they may affect the performance of the real economy."  Essays on the Great Depression


He thinks by gaming the stock market he can maintain the publics confidence in banksters sufficiently to ride out the storm and avoid the hard mathematical reality, but the clock is ticking and it's not on his (or our) side.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:39 | 3180033 TruthInSunshine
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 "History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

Replace Great Britain with PIIGS+UK+Japan currently, and, voila, bitchez (throw in the economic meningitis of the U.S., along with the creeping and quite real economic disorder seizing China's economy, which are undeniable, for good measure).

To those repositing their trust in any central fiat bank's "put" in the form of their own wealth (if it's OPM, no sweat, that's what broad & legally binding disclaimers & arbitration clauses are for), good luck. You will probably need a lot of it.

The Harvest excerpted from the book The Creature from Jekyll Island

When men are entrusted with the power to control the money supply, they will eventually use that power to confiscate the wealth of their neighbors. There is no better illustration of that law than the Crash of 1929 and the lingering depression that followed.


During the nine years before the crash of 1929, the Federal Reserve was responsible for a massive expansion of the money supply. A primary motive for that policy was to assist the government of Great Britain to pay for its socialist programs which, by then, had drained its treasury. By devaluing the dollar and depressing interest rates in America, investors would move their money to England where rates and values were higher. That strategy succeeded in helping Great Britain for a while, but it set in motion the forces that made the stock-market crash inevitable.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:40 | 3179870 Al Huxley
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And Fuck off, Congress.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:40 | 3179873 benbushiii
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How about not paying them until there is a deal. No escrow account.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:42 | 3179884 surf0766
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How about not paying them at all.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:45 | 3179904 LikeClockwork
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Or introduce them to Madame Guillotine

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:13 | 3180010 e_goldstein
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Tar, feathers, then guillotine.

It will be like a lifesized Tyson's slaughterhouse.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:42 | 3179890 Conman
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How about making politifcal office a non paying job. Voluntary and temporary.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:09 | 3179997 pods
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Even easier, all you have to do is once a year have them all put their names into a hat. 

Pull out one name and shoot them on the spot.

Not even psychopaths want to die.


Wed, 01/23/2013 - 17:05 | 3180534 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Once a year? At that rate do you realize how many of them will get away?

Good idea, though. My recommendation is every Friday.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 21:00 | 3181348 Just Ice
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Superb reco.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:47 | 3179913 Pharming
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How about they do it for room and board.  Or out of the goodness of their hearts for their country....

HAHAHAHAHA....just kiddin.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 18:43 | 3180889 DosZap
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 (with 109 Democrats voting against) the debt-ceiling extension


LOL, it's called CYA.Sure as hell not because they are against.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:42 | 3179888 Cdad
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Nice gimmick.  

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:44 | 3179891 Pharming
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Wait...I feel like I've seen this scenario somewhere before...

Ground Hog Day. 

I tinks me should jump back into the market full power.  All of it on the table. Guns a blarin.  I'm selling my gold, silver, take my cash out from under my bed and I'm back into the market!  Yeah BABY! ....

.....*cough* *cough*....   blink blink....


What a dream...I dreamed that all that printing of cash was great, the markets rebounded, gold dropped down to $250/oz, Silver $7.55/oz.  We quit bombing the middle east, gas was under a $1.00/gallon, and everything was being made here in the United States.  Obviously a dream.  


Well, back to reality and Zerohedge.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:46 | 3179897 caimen garou
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how about paying them in chicken feet

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:44 | 3179903 JR
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The Big Banks Founded the Fed, and Still Control It
But the market will break up this rotten system, says Gary North”


The largest banks are immune to reform or regulation. They control the Federal Reserve System, and have since the beginning in 1914, when it opened for business. The Congress defers to the FED. So, the banking system never changes much. There is never a significant reform.

Today, the 12 largest U.S. commercial banks hold 69% of the deposits. If you think the free market produced this allocation, you are the victim of a Keynesian economic theory. The centralization continues relentlessly. All the "democracy" chatter in Congress is simply a form of self-delusion.

Woodrow Wilson, the so-called reformer, signed the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, passed in the final hours before the Christmas recess. He signed it within two hours after the Senate passed the bill.

The fix was in.

The fix has been in ever since.


Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:47 | 3179908 LawsofPhysics
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Hurry up, you are going to miss the rally, go long now...

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:48 | 3179918 TheMayor
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:50 | 3179924 PUD
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Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:50 | 3179925 Dr. Engali
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Spend bitchez! max out the credit card then default like a good American!

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:50 | 3179932 fonzannoon
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There is no max Doc. Ain't it beautiful?

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:06 | 3179942 Dr. Engali
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I called the bank and asked them to temporarily suspend my debt cap and they started laughing.....go figure. Funny thing is ...I don't need to borrow money pay my  bills.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:50 | 3179926 Bay of Pigs
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How long can this shit go on? 

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:32 | 3180085 NotApplicable
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Until the very instant you decide to refuse dollars as payment for goods and services. Otherwise, it's a classic infinite asymptotic approach to zero (when charting purchasing power).

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:50 | 3179931 fuu
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House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) called the measure "a plan to balance the budget over the next ten years."

You'll get around to balancing the budget 3 years after Germany gets their gold. Good to know.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:52 | 3179934 busted by the b...
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The serious fiscal conservatives are now officially irrelevant. 

No debt ceiling, no spending cuts, no budget, and no pay withheld until April 15 at the earliest.  Wow, that's what I call playing hardball!

We'll have this deficit spending under control in no time!

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:59 | 3179959 PlannedObsolescence
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I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:13 | 3180008 Racer
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That is quick... you should get my unborn great great great grandchildren to pay like the banksters make me do

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:33 | 3180083 moonstears
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Your GGG grandkids, and mine, will use credits, not dollars. They'll be as familiar as you are with "Continentals".

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:03 | 3179981 Racer
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That's what you get with a price weighted index... and the skew gets ever more the higher it goes

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:06 | 3179988 Brahms Third Racket
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And while we're at it, FUCK IBM too. They're the vampire squid of the tech sector.  Probably responsible for sucking more middle class tech jobs out of America than anyone.

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