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Gallup Poll: Americans Most Negative On the Nation And Economy In 30 Years

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Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

I guess Americans just haven’t heard of a little something called the stock market.  Isn’t that right Bernanke?  Wasn’t the stock market rally you engineered supposed to make everyone feel all nice and confident?  Well the great middle class squeeze continues, as the stock market is for the 1% what food stamps are for the poor.  They are just strategies to keep these groups apathetic and obedient.  The middle class isn’t buying it though, as is evidenced by this recent Gallup Poll conducted January 7-10, 2013.


From Gallup:

PRINCETON, NJ — U.S. President Barack Obama begins his second term at a time when Americans are as negative about the state of the country and its prospects going forward as they have been in more than three decades. Fewer than four in 10 Americans (39%) rate the current status of the U.S. at the positive end of a zero to 10 scale. This is about the same as in 2010, but it is fewer than have said so at any point since 1979. As they usually are, Americans are more upbeat in their predictions of where the U.S. will be in five years (48% positive), but this is also lower than at any time since 1979.


The 39% of Americans who give a six to 10 rating when asked to evaluate the nation’s current status is similar to the 37% who said the same three years ago. Prior to that, however, assessments were generally more positive, including a 73% six to 10 rating in January 2001 — the highest on record. The three previous points in time when ratings were as low as or lower than the 2013 rating were in August 1979 (34%), April 1974 (33%), and January 1971 (39%). The 1979 measure came at a time when the economy was in bad shape and inflation was rampant, while the 1974 measure came in the midst of the Watergate scandal. When Gallup first asked the question in August 1959, 68% of Americans rated the state of the nation in the six to 10 range.

What about the future?

The 48% who give a six to 10 ranking when asked to project the status of the U.S. five years from now is tied with the 1979 measure as the lowest in Gallup’s history of asking the question. Additionally, the 40% who give a negative rating (zero to four) when asked to look ahead is lower than at any point in history. These negative ratings include 10% who say the situation of the country in five years will be zero, the worst they can imagine.

Not so much.  Don’t worry Bernanke, I’m sure another 50 S&P handles will make everything better.

Full Gallup article here.


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Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:05 | 3183469 HelluvaEngineer
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All these people will soon be piling into equities with all their cash on the sidelines.  Muhahaha...ha! </evillaugh>

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:08 | 3183491 cossack55
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More likely they will be piling in to cattle cars for the free trip to re-education camps.  Buwawawa

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:23 | 3183559 flacon
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Americans Most Negative On the Nation And Economy In 30 Years


That is a very good reason to buy more stocks, especially the S&P, Dow Jones, Nasdaq, and of course AAPL. /s

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:29 | 3183574 Zap Powerz
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Now is the best time to go long on assault rifles, semi auto hand guns, anything with the word "tactical" in it and any gun in the color black.

Because they will ban them.  If you think the GOP is some kind of bulwark against tyranny youre fucking stupid.

And when they are banned, they will be worth their weight in gold.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:42 | 3183631 101 years and c...
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clearly, this poll was taken before the term "great rotation" was coined.

anyone with a computer and IQ over 60 (sorry kenynesians, this does not include you) can look at ICI data over the last 5 years and see there is ALWAYS money going into equities the first few weeks of Jan.  there was even an inflow in Jan, 2009....during the midst of the shit hitting the fan.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:51 | 3183668 NotApplicable
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Worst in 30 years? I guess I need to finally read "The Fourth Turning" before it arrives in person.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:26 | 3183777 FEDbuster
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I guess the FED's "lip sync" economy isn't convincing the average Joe.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 01:06 | 3184898 trav777
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all these idiots are negative on the economy, they hate the direction things are going and YET STILL the CONDITIONING to get them to CONFORM and do what they were TOLD or else fear being LABELED a RACIST for not voting for Obama was more than strong enough to get the guy reelected, wasn't it?

it wasn't enough for whites to vote for him once; you had to go do it again to PROVE that you're not RAYCISS huh?  Gfd I laugh at you people.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 07:32 | 3185114 GetZeeGold
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Calling out the socialist that wouldn't know a shovel ready job if it bit him in the ass.....will always get you labeled as a racist.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 08:27 | 3185163 kralizec
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Gosh, I must be a racist too.  Do we have meetings?  Doughnuts?  ;)

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:54 | 3192346 Enslavethechild...
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All your guns are already belong to us. Now hand over your women

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:48 | 3184009 cynical30
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Too late my man.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:48 | 3183650 seek
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I'm not so sure now is the time. You've got sheriffs in multiple states in open revolt against anything that impacts the 2nd, and the last AWB resulted in a pretty large turnover in the house. In spite of the media reports to the contrary, the actual polls on outright gun bans moved only a single point since Sandy Hook.

In short, the political costs of outright bans is too high. So they either need more over-the-top slaughter to take advantage of, or they'll have to do something more stealthy, or just give up on it for now and hope they can pull off some emergency EO when the collapse is actually occurring.

That said, long beans, bullets, bandaids is not bad advice at all. This is going to get hella worse before it gets better.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:24 | 3183767 10mm
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Seek,you will see it spring,summer latest.They will allow chaos first,have population beg for help.Dollar wont get you a gum ball.Major disruption,populated areas first.Then the gun grab,citys first.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:38 | 3183811 stant
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guess thats why v22 osprey are flying all over central ky, never saw one fly untill one flew over the house on my lunch hr today .blackhawks are thick too,

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:47 | 3184007 fnord88
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anyone else feel a little bit dirty when they see something like the v22? I know i should hate it because it is a ludicrously expensive boondoggle created with stolen taxpayer money and in a true free market it would never exist........ but fuck it's just so fucking cool........some primitive part of my lizard brain sees tech like that and just gets a hard on.....mmmmm better club to kill things with....mmmmmm

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 19:01 | 3184049 krispkritter
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Blackhawks have been flying daily out of the local airport Reserve station. Used to be once a month. I'm now seeing up to 3-4 a day.  A C5 did low and slow circles for more than 1/2 an hour a couple weeks back. Didn't think about it much it makes you wonder.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 20:37 | 3184259 DosZap
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You've got sheriffs in multiple states in open revolt against anything that impacts the 2nd, and the last AWB resulted in a pretty large turnover in the house. In spite of the media reports to the contrary, the actual polls on outright gun bans moved only a single point since Sandy Hook.

It's never been the Sheriff's we had to worry about,it's all about militarization of local LE.

When they started training together several years back, I knew then WE were in serious doo doo.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:20 | 3183753 Dr. Engali
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No the best time to be buying was last year. Now is the time to hold on. The problem now is that the government is buying up all the ammo. If you're not stocked up you are fucked.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:21 | 3183759 1100-TACTICAL-12
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 When does the door kicking start ? How many will just roll over ? The Gop is a bunch of globalist just like the rest of'em. This Gov is nolonger legit steling from the unborn, and atrocities to numerous to list. The Tree of Liberty is severely parched.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:46 | 3183831 Overfed
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If ever there were a time to stealthily build a belt fed machine gun in your garage......

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:19 | 3183932 sleigher
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Lucky for me 416S and 6061 won't be worth their weight in gold any time soon.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:26 | 3183779 jballz
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True. People are usually wrong. Shit the best thing you could have done in 1979 was load the fucking boat and go long the shitty economy. Sp was what 300?

Likewise 2001 was the highest reading? Good call, nation... Sell that fuckin dream.

Yeah I know it is different this time. FEMA camps, waa, cabals waaa.

Well I am still not buying apple so fuck me I am a lemming too I guess.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 22:13 | 3184528 Groundhog Day
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I'll take "climbing the wall of worry" for 2000

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 05:10 | 3185050 jeff montanye
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sliding down the slope of hope for one razor blade.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:23 | 3183562 Zap Powerz
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So most Americans agree that the country is in the shitter and the future is bleak.

These are the same Americans that pretty much just re-elected THE EXACT SAME GOVERNMENT (POTUS, congress) they had the past four years.

Retorical question:  Are Americans fucking insane?

Honestly, I dont care what the average low information voter thinks anymore.  They get what they deserve.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:29 | 3183580 madcows
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Low information voters don't think.  They vote for the guy that gives them what the want.  And they want your/my money.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:34 | 3183602 NotApplicable
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"Low information voters???"

As opposed to what? "High information voters" who are stupid enough to do it anyway?

If you think voting matters, then YOU are the problem, not some silly "low information voter."

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:42 | 3183629 OutLookingIn
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Low info? High info?

What happened to just enough info?

The survey proves that "just enough" info is getting through to the masses.

Despite Boo Boo Baby, Jersey Shore, or any of the circuses served up, along with the bread (food stamps) for said masses. Reality is starting to bite people where it hurts - in the economic ass! 

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:50 | 3183656 Lore
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I agree: "If you think voting matters..."

And let us not forget the blogger reports of RAMPANT cooking of the electoral books, all SQUELCHED in the media. BHO reportedly "won" in every state that did not require a photo ID to vote. He lost in every state that did require a photo ID in order to vote. And how about those ridings where more than 100% of voters appeared as if by magic, including busloads of people from another country?  And the whonky electronic voting screens?  And, and, and..?  The media dangled the hanging chad thing during the GWB election for months, yet this time, with hijinks on a much grander scale, we get NOTHING...

There are no markets, and there are no elections. There are only manipulations. And memory holes.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:52 | 3183677 Ignatius
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Paul Craig Roberts interview from 2011 spells it out:


Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:57 | 3183694 NotApplicable
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Looking back, I'd guess the chads issue was about getting the right stooge in the office for 9/11. Since Gore is an alleged "intellectual policy wonk" type, he couldn't pull off the village idiot routine as well Mr. "Don't Misunderestimate Me" did.

Instead of everyone going on about how calculatingly evil he was, all we heard was insults about his intelligence, and his failures (which were actually very successful, from a criminal POV).

Whether true or not, it worked like a charm.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:15 | 3183728 Lore
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Agreed. The trouble with Dubya's speech centers distracted from activity in other parts of his gnarled brain, not to mention those of his handlers.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 19:35 | 3184128 Freddie
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You had all forms of vote fraud in all the swing states along with other states.  Busing in voters, illegals, multiple voting, late night election voting, precincts voting 110%, rigged machines, the list is endless. They made sure he won and they kept the senate and licked up some house seats.   Even the fake conservative talk radio cowards said nothing.



Fri, 01/25/2013 - 05:16 | 3185057 jeff montanye
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imo seek below has it right.  the problem isn't what the dems and reps disagree on, it's what they agree on: endless wars on terrorism and drugs, incarceration without indictment, assassination without trial or appeal, trillions for tanks and banks, debt slavery for the ranks, israel first last and always....

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:54 | 3183684 seek
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The choices are rigged. The candidates for (D) and (R) had no major differences, and the crap that went down during the (R) primaries proved that the people had no say in the selection of candidates.

Districts are gerrymandered to guarantee party-loyal candidate's seats. Representation per capita is the lowest it's ever been in the US.

This has nothing to do with what information voters have or don't have. It's not at all shocking the same government got re-elected when the whole system is built to make sure that happens.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:01 | 3183701 NotApplicable
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Anyone who would participate in a system which reelects +90% of the incumbents simply does not understand math.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:02 | 3183706 Larry Dallas
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Zap Powerz doesn't need to be politically correct as Rush Limbaugh is. THat is his term for black, un-educated, ObamaPhone using, EBT card holding voter who doesn't read, nor do they care to, and will vote for anyone that promises them anything.

You can't beat a guy who's running for President who will promise to rob Paul to pay Peter. Never.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:32 | 3183794 jballz
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Lots of people went with Obama because Romney is a big douche bag cocksucker. Better thebdouche I know.

But that isn't fair to use as an example of mass stupidity. It's like saying why did Iraqis keep voting for saddam if they didn't like him?

The election was a choice between shit and shit and that is all. Ron got to talk sense a couple times, that was nice, but fuck the illusion that ditching Obama would have changed anything.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:57 | 3183854 John Law Lives
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Ron Paul and Gary Johnson were the only candidates worth a damn, and there simply aren't enough enlightened voters for either of them to win at the national level.  Most rank-in-file Dems and GOP members are essentially the same.  The system is rigged against a 3rd party.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 19:03 | 3184053 sleigher
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There are plenty of voters who like those candidates.  They also believe that voting third party is "throwing your vote away."  And as long as people keep thinking like that then it will be.  

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:52 | 3185946 John Law Lives
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"There are plenty of voters who like those candidates."

There obviously are not enough to get either elected at the national level.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 00:11 | 3184799 Colonel Klink
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Gary Johnson was and still is a piece of crap.  Let me count the ways...

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 19:19 | 3184088 koncaswatch
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Zap P: yes, Americans are insane, according to Einstien

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 20:30 | 3184237 long-shorty
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did you see the folks in the Republican primary? or the Republican in the general election?

I gave money to Ron Paul before ultimately voting for Obama. didn't see how tax cuts for the wealthy and more foreign military adventure was going to magically grow the economy and fix the deficit.

the last decent Presidential candidate I can remember was Ross Perot, and he picked a crazy dude to be his running mate. the political parties/primary process are the problem.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 21:57 | 3184484 Larry Dallas
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Which Southwest state are you from. You just outed yourself.

Or was it Florida?  


Thu, 01/24/2013 - 22:18 | 3184539 RKDS
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Me too.  And I get flak for it on a conservative forum.  They have a really one-sided view of government/economics, angry about government spending but rationalizing away a laundry list of stuff they want government to do.  It's like it never dawns on them that they're directly related.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 20:43 | 3184276 DosZap
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 Are Americans fucking insane?

When you look at the voting bloc's no,expect it.

Surpisingly, a lot of the  the sheeple are a far wiser than I had previously hoped.

A full 65% know the 2nd is not about anything except to protect themselves from a tryannical govt.And will refuse to turn in those on the ban list(if it gets thru the House).

Bout shote myself when I read the poll results and breakdown.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 20:11 | 3184202 DosZap
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More likely they will be piling in to cattle cars for the free trip to re-education camps. Buwawawa

Yep, Chinese style, lime filled trenches, and a cheap bullet to your cerebellum, that is the only Re-Education you can expect out of this gang of thugs.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:17 | 3183535 oddjob
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So if the market tanks from here, any wizard spouting off that retail is taking the loss is full of shit.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:21 | 3183553 HelluvaEngineer
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If the market tanks from here, our bankster rulers will simply declare a "do-over"

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:25 | 3183566 oddjob
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a 'do over'....the battle cry for all wishful deflationists.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:30 | 3183589 Clayton Bigsby
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Thu, 01/24/2013 - 22:11 | 3184518 Groundhog Day
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I guess it took 10 years to figure out the disaster of going off the gold standard

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:42 | 3183482 ebworthen
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Apple down 25% in six months.

Netflix up 40% in 24 hours.

Jon Corzine.











Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:08 | 3183483 irie1029
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Just think where it will be 5 years from now.... Ghettolike.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:44 | 3183638 Winston Churchill
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Detroit becomes us.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:39 | 3183814 GeorgeHayduke
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Detroit is just 5-10 years ahead of the rest of the country in having our collective karma catch up to us.

Enjoy the collapse. Remember, perspective and attitude is everything.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:13 | 3183910 shovelhead
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The only problem with Karma is that you have to be DEAD to get it.

Them's the rules.

And as Munney told Lil' Bill, " Deserves got nothin' to do with it."

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:07 | 3183484 Bam_Man
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Just wait until the $5+ gas price threshold is breached sometime around Memorial Day.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 20:15 | 3184201 espirit
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Here in the great low wage "Sunshine State", fixed income retirees will raise their canes and walkers in revolt when gas hits $4.00 per gallon.

That is the threshold here, bitchez. 

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 20:16 | 3184212 espirit
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P.S. - Viva la "scooter" revolution.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:09 | 3183485 redpill
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I was in a sports bar the other day grabbing a bite of lunch (nothing was on so it was slow) and I could overhear regular people talking about how they recently decided to start putting a plan together for when the shit hits the fan.  This was surprising to me because this bar was not out on the boonies somewhere, it was in a busy city center.  It really is starting to dawn on people that things are coming that we cannot now stop, and your only hope is to prepare as best you can.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:11 | 3183502 CH1
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Nice to hear.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:12 | 3183515 HelluvaEngineer
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Busy city center?  I think I'd plan to go to Target.  That place has everything.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:39 | 3183620 MachoMan
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That idea was DOA when debated across internet fora everywhere...

It ends in a few ways, my personal betting favorite being you are burned alive by those scorned from your barricade.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:48 | 3183659 DCFusor
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Went to Lowes myself last week to go long some PVC pipe, caps, glue to bury this or that.  They were out.  Floorwalker said tons of people had the same idea.  And this is out in the boonies, where people are in general already "prepared" since most of us live off the land more or less (farming).  If you're not enough of a "prepper" to handle a bad year, you don't last long out here.

That was eye-opening.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:54 | 3183685 HelluvaEngineer
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I know what you mean, man.  That's a great way to store old fishing poles.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:57 | 3183690 Id fight Gandhi
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PVC pipe is very common I can't imagine any place being totally out of more than a day.

Often you don't have to bury anything, just install pipes in the house that look real and won't be touched by anyone.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:15 | 3183921 shovelhead
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Don't tell everybody!

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:29 | 3183950 krispkritter
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Found this place while looking for 8" PVC caps;

Still not cheap but better than Ebay prices.  I'll use some of my 8" with Fernco QC108 rubber caps to keep the price down for my needs and putting the rest on Craigslist. 

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:29 | 3183786 booboo
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yea but you still can't buy a fucking lighter at Target without showing a ID. Im an old dog but the Twit still ask for my ID, I pick one up every time I go into a Target just to fuck with the Twits. When they ask I say "why do you need an ID" the Twits say "because the computer tells me to ask" I say "if the computer told you to go play in the traffic would you" and tell her I don't want the lighter.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:14 | 3183524 krispkritter
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I'm sorry, did we interrupt your lunch?  Actually having some success lately with convincing people on how bad this could become. Cracks are starting to form in the green-screen wall that most people watch their 'reality' on and I think enough is getting through via unconventional means to start some wheels turning. Problem is, for many, it's going to be too late to change course unless this financial shit-show the CB's are putting on can be prolonged.  Then again, that just increases the pain level so I'm kinda torn between wanting it to crash now or go kaboom later...

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:39 | 3183615 Zap Powerz
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Now rather than later.  I want to be around to help rebuild.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:14 | 3183529 fonzannoon
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were you on Long Island? if so, that was me.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:29 | 3183587 PoorMan429
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I explained to a friend of mine that LI is not a bad place to be in this scenario. Lots of Farmland to the east, and significant duck and buck population, deep aquifer well water. Keep the zombies in west Nassau County, and it could be a viable selfsustaining environment. You can hear the guys in the blind in the early morning from my back door. With proper greenhousing, and raised earth planting you can farm year around in this climate (despite yesterday and todays temps) 

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:40 | 3183618 NotApplicable
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Well, other than being predominately downwind from Indian Point nuke plant, I'd agree. Thing is, I don't expect those things to fair to well in a decaying society.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:46 | 3183646 MachoMan
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As we advance, we develop more and more world killing technologies...  these technologies come with legacy maintenance costs...  eventually those costs exceed our ability to properly keep watch and maintain them...

That said, we had the soviet collapse and somehow borris managed not to obliterate himself despite a massive nuclear arsenal and power plants (instead opted for millions of dashcam crashes and shenanigans, but it's certainly more preferable for us).  Obviously induction is deduction's redheaded stepchild, but sometimes it's all we've got...

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:15 | 3183732 NotApplicable
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Oh yeah, I remember that time. That's when I first realized that without a doubt government was a criminal syndicate (while watching it on CSPAN, nonetheless!).

Here I was, a jarhead tasked with upholding and defending the US Constitution, watching Congress discuss the "Soviet nuclear weapon stockpile stewardship program" which was supposed to safeguard the world from the potential for any nukes to "go rouge" and end up in the wrong hands. Now, as a marine, I felt this was of the utmost importance, legitimizing the idea of "national interests" around the globe.

Yet what were they arguing over in DC? Getting funding for this program which they had already approved some time before. A program which was never funded (to my knowledge).

Now, looking at this logically, why did they not care about this threat enough to actually fund it? The only coherent answer I could find was because it was moot. These weapons were obviously already controlled by the real powers that be, so there was nothing to be done, other than spout rhetoric.

Thanks to CSPAN, that day I got a clue.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:15 | 3183533 caimen garou
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more and more people in my neck of the woods are talking the same, some are a little late to the party but at least they showed up.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:52 | 3183678 10mm
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Those people in your neck of the woods are snatchin up ammo at a premium,but yes better late than ever.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:20 | 3183552 madcows
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Help me Oh-Ben-Wan.  You're my only hope.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:37 | 3183609 Kaiser Sousa
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not the case n my regular watering hole...these normacly bias stricken, soon to be walking around asking out loud 'WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED" brainswashed sheeple still think - 





trust me man - the country is truly doomed.....



Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:44 | 3183642 NotApplicable
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I just love the RE recovery story. I hear it at least twice a year, even though the only market left here is student rental housing. And even that's just shifting a market to newer properties, rather than growing it.

Mostly though, people are busy parrotting the latest MSM conventional ignorance in an effort to fill the awkward silence with noise in a further effort to soothe their fears.

Myself, I prefer the silence, even if the coherence is painful.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:35 | 3183965 HoaX
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Nothing wrong with RE, as long as it includes a clean well, fertile farmland and preferrably solar panels on your roof.


Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:37 | 3183612 Zap Powerz
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My emergency plan is to "Keep Obama in Presiden!"

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:48 | 3183658 Shizzmoney
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The people aren't COMPLETELY dumb; they have a sniff of whats going on. 

For the majority, however (think pundits, esp those over 40), they just can't set their preconceived notions of the United States, politics, and "business-as-usual" protocals set aside and realize the impending shitstorm that will happen around us.

I will say amongst those I hang with in my age bracket (18-33), we get it.  We maybe sweetfully naive internet utopians......but we DO get it.

We remember 2008, 2001, etc......we know, inside, the country is in decline.  And there is nothing we can do about it, because those in power don't WANT us to do anything about it.  Even the notion of trying is blasphemous (see: Aaron Swartz).

The younger people want nothing to do with the stock market (nor can we afford it; hence why we opt for poker, sports betting, and fantasy football instead.  Plus when we win, we actually, ahem, GET PAID), want nothing to do with the mainstream media and the bullshit that emimates from it, want nothing to do with wars.  Sure, there are a good portion of young folks who are brainwashed (think: Jersey Shore, and of course, women)......but the majority realize, it's time to cash out.

For me, I already have my contigency plan setup in Vermont.....AND I have 3 other sets of friends who also have escape plans to the The Green Mountain State, so we'll have a good system to pal off of as well.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:11 | 3183724 10mm
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Shizzmoney,your partially right.My crew,40.s 50,s have are first sit down coming.LEOIs,Ex military red pill droppin motherfuckers waited for this time.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:42 | 3183810 Shizzmoney
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I do find those ex-military types like yourself know what's up....however, some (like my father, who is 61), are still hyped up in this "left-right" paradigm.  The random Obama rants are hysterical....because it actually initmates that you know, the President actually runs the country (when that office clearly hasnt since JFK was killed).

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 20:25 | 3184225 10mm
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Not gonna dispute that Shizz.Old timers like that are set in ways.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:38 | 3183812 EINSILVERGUY

I'm not finding that to be true. I'm 50 and most of my friends are seeing this for what it is and preparing. We know ths system is near its end.  My office mate and I just spent the last 30 minutes looking at sig 556 swat rifles and talking about high dollar scopes with our manager. A guy 3 doors down moonlights at a gun shop and I bought a pistol at the store he works at last week. Another guy on the opposite side of the building has been prepping and takling his kids to the gun range.  I don't think we are that far from the norm but them again, we are in Texas.

Molon Labe


Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:48 | 3183834 Shizzmoney
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Well, you are in Texas....reality has hit a bit father for you in terms of the destitution of your surroundings more than most (like me here in MA).

That's what the rehashed gun control freaks don't understand; since the governments of both Mexico AND the US have armed the Cartels with guns, on top of the regular gun violence that comes with gangs and drug dealing (mostly due to low wages and high minority unemployment), citizens are pretty much FORCED to lock and load up. 

Even a glock is insufficent.  Hell, I had a buddy who lived near the AZ border when he went to U of Arizona ride around with one on his bike (he was a pro cyclist) becuae of the various signs near the terrain he'd bike on (the majority of the signs were also in Spanish; akin to: "if you are a white person, PLEASE be cautious").

I may be a free thinking liberal.......but I'm also not stupid (hence why *I* own a shotgun).


Thu, 01/24/2013 - 21:18 | 3184352 espirit
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Only half kidding, I proclaim that the Great Nation State of Texas may be the last bastion for freedom lovers.  Eyes are on it for how it fares in these turbulent times.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:37 | 3183974 HoaX
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Same for me and I hear many friends around me say it as well.

Moved out of the city myself to the countryside. Fertile land, plenty of clean water and I hope to soon have enough solar panels to provide my energy.

Self-sustainability is our future.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:41 | 3183982 My Days Are Get...
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In 1997, I bought a second home in Vermont and have been setting up a refuge there for my family ever since.  I have acquired several hundred acres of forest land and, over time, built out the infrastructure.

Right now, unimproved farm and forest land, a little bit off of the beaten path, can be acquired for reasonable prices.  The most important thing is to get a piece of property and start to build up local friendships.  That takes time.  And, all of you will be regarded as outsiders, until you have proven to the locals that you are not the cut and run type.  I suggest that you pool your money and buy something together.

I spend a decent amount of time in Vermont and have good friends there in several communities.  When to going gets tough, you need help from those who are there.  The local economy is terrible - Southern Vermont is heavily dependent on money flowing in from out-of-staters - tourists and second homeowners. The pay is low and many people work 3 part time jobs to survive.

Once you start spending time in Vermont, you will learn that most of the people you run into are not natives.  Money, and especially a good trust fund from grandpa), has allowed a remarkable number of people to relocate to VT and purchase or start-up businesses ( like landscaping, trucking and excavating ).  You just can not build wealth in Vermont.

Good luck

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:05 | 3183712 madcows
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Well, obviously.  you were in a sports bar.  That's where everyday Joe's go.  Now, if you were at the Tavern on the Green or some other rich guy sushi/martini/scotch bar that is only frequented by the Uber-Wall-St-Rich, then you would have heard them talking abou how much they were going to rape the Muppets for. 

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:08 | 3183486 krispkritter
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Too soon?

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:10 | 3183500 cossack55
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No, always timely.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:08 | 3183489 outamyeffinway
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I'm positive we're screwed.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:48 | 3183653 MachoMan
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Is that what the doctors told you to tell all your sexual partners?

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:18 | 3183743 NotApplicable
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Well, at least you've got a good attitude about it!

I've always called that "optimistic-pessimism."


Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:10 | 3183503 bnbdnb
Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:33 | 3183598 Zap Powerz
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Humanity is in a bubble.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:14 | 3183730 redpill
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The human race has never seen a sustained global population decline since it has evolved.  The entire human notion of modern economic exchange is based on the idea that population and markets will always grow.  But birth rates are declining, the population is older on average every year that passes.  50 years from now population will be declining globally, there were be fewer young people than ever to support the increasing percentage of elderly.  Economic output will decline as demand for products from a shrinking consumer base wanes.  On a long enough timeline...

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:23 | 3183939 madcows
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Drudge had a headline - $300K to raise a kid nowadays.  I wish I knew then what I know now, and I wouldn't have gotten married, bought a house or had a kid.  Shit's bad and it's going to get worse.  Young people now know this, and have decided not to subject a child to the coming government induced economic apocalypse.  I say that's a good smart thing to do.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 21:23 | 3184383 espirit
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Drudge didn't say you could buy a full "growed" asian one for a lot less than that from the ad's here on ZH.

Or was it Albanian Dwarf Hookers? 

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 19:11 | 3184075 viahj
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i thought that it was only "western" birth rates that were declining

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:11 | 3183508 fonzannoon
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shit's bad. buy stawks,

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:11 | 3183513 Super Broccoli
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at some point the US governemet will have to make a decision :

- either we keep printing and we have a revolution

- either we stop printing, the bank collapses and we have a revolution


NO WAY OUT FOLKS ! 50 years of massive idiotic government means no way out of this shit

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:14 | 3183526 They Tried to S...
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I hate broccoli....

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:50 | 3183661 NotApplicable
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Yes. But SB is mistaken thinking there will be a revolution.

Civil War is what's coming, as fedgov will do everything they can to ensure we turn on each other, not THEM. Follow the divide, take a side, and be conquered for the privilege.

Hollow-points, bitchez!

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:55 | 3183687 Dr. Engali
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That's right. There will be no revolution The country is too disjointed with too many factions. Balkanization of the country is inevitable at this point.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:59 | 3183863 Overfed
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Balkanization is what I see coming, too. By the time it's over, there will be 6 or 7 countries, (and a lot of graves)  where there once was one. Hedge accordingly.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:12 | 3183909 ParkAveFlasher
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I disagree.  It will take one Joe the Plumber self-immolation-equivalent event going viral and that'll be the galvanizer.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:54 | 3183683 DCFusor
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No, even they are not stupid enough to think creating yet another black market will solve that issue in less than a few generations - if ever.  That's why they are buying all that ammo....

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:13 | 3183525 Temporalist
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30 years?  That's just transitory. 

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:16 | 3183534 madcows
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Well, it looks to me like we weren't negative enough 5 years ago.  We thought we'd be 55% positive.  Turns out were only 39% positive.  On the bright side, we're probably still better at projecting the future than any government agency. 

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:18 | 3183540 fonzannoon
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Ramp that market Bernak! Bang that close! I want apple $480 or u got nuthin!

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:18 | 3183545 Cunnial
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Weren't these the same muppets that had a Romney victory lined up??? Then again a broken clock and all that...

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:19 | 3183548 Temporalist
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Here is more evidence supporting the reports from Mike Krieger about food, fraud and inflation:

Food fraud report reveals rise in manufacturers' cost-cutting measures

US organisation tracks increasing reports of watered milk, diluted olive oil and other dangerous substitutes in the food chain

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:50 | 3183663 Winston Churchill
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Love the smell of adulteration in the morning.

Standard practice in all Banana republics.Did you miss the memo ?

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:34 | 3183800 Liquid Courage
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Indian authorities discovered in a 2012 study that most samples of the country's milk were diluted or contained unappetizing agents such as hydrogen peroxide, detergent and urea – a compound that is naturally found in urine and can be synthetically produced.

A spokesperson for the dairy industry explained: “Well, when a cow pisses in the bucket, naturally we use a detergent to clean the milk, but this changes its color, so we add hydrogen peroxide to make it a lovely white again. What’s the problem? You want your milk to be white, don’t you?”

Direct quote from the article. Really! Would I lie?

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:41 | 3183984 HoaX
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How´s your horse burger today?

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:22 | 3183556 Steve in Greensboro
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Nothing like having a commie in the White House to kill the mood.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 02:42 | 3184992 TheMerryPrankster
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I thought communist shared the wealth communally, not just with the bankers? Communist no, fascist? Yes.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:24 | 3183565 Kaiser Sousa
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well im sure this news fully explains the moon shots in the Fraud Markets early on and their revisting the highs of 5 years ago despite the fact that nearly 50 million mother fuckers r on food stamps...... AND - 

this also explains the cliff dive sell offs n the only 2 forms of real money that began yesterday and continued today despite physical shortages, sociopath led central bank purchases and request for "send us back our "Traditon bars" FROM THE SAME FUCKS.........



Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:52 | 3183672 Winston Churchill
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Just tthink of it as a buying oppotunity.Some of us did.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:07 | 3183717 Kaiser Sousa
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always do...and always have...and always will until i die or the end game arrives...

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:25 | 3183571 jomama
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considering how stupid and ignorant most of the domestic population are content being, that's really saying something.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:28 | 3183577 HaroldWang
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Makes sense when they see AAPL implode and they all have it in their 401ks. Do you think any of these little guys have CRM or NFLX, etc in their retirement accounts? No. They have AAPL and when they see that continue to fall, they get a bit depressed.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:31 | 3183578 Never One Roach
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Up their Prozac dose....more Kartrashian TV, Jerry Spinger and Dancing with the Biggest Losers while eating mo' Popeyes and they'll be fine....just fine....

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:20 | 3183752 NotApplicable
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Wait, Springer is still on?

*runs off to TV*

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:36 | 3183606 Joe moneybags
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My money (from one of my smallest bags) says the Obama malaise will beat Carter's malaise.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:54 | 3183681 Winston Churchill
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Malaise ?

More like a fucking Coma.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:36 | 3183608 Shizzmoney
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We have no faith in each other.....on the good side, at least it means we are getting smarter.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:39 | 3183619 Kaiser Sousa
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look at the movement in the dow...

what a fucking riot...


disclaimer: just sick of the bullshit...dont mind me....

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:41 | 3183623 All is chosen
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30 yrs? It's also 30 yrs this year since the USA's war crimes against Grenada. Reparations have still to be paid.


Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:41 | 3183626 TrumpXVI
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"Always with the negative waves, Moriarity"

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:42 | 3183630 azzhatter
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I love it when people ask you your opinion and you tell them. Then they say you're too negative. They won't take the time to actually read or learn anything but I'm negative. Fucking country deserves to burn.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:45 | 3183645 Vashta Nerada
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If you're waiting to buy on the dip, it should be here by summer.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:58 | 3183696 Shizzmoney
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Also it was reported that 2% of the banks total deposits, $114 Billion, was withdrawn THIS month

Another 25 weeks of that, well then........THAT could be interesting.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:28 | 3183784 are we there yet
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114 billion withdrawn.... Even more than was printed this month.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:01 | 3183702 Kaiser Sousa
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c'ya you rat soup eating bitch....


"Washington, DC – Today, Commissioner Jill Sommers made the following statement:

“As I prepare to leave the Commodity Futures Trading Commission I would like to acknowledge the hard work and dedication of my fellow Commissioners and the many talented staff with whom I have had the pleasure of working for the past five years. While many challenges remain in finalizing the implementation of the Dodd-Frank Act, I have every confidence that the American public will be well-served by their continuing efforts.”



Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:21 | 3183763 NotApplicable
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Well, I'm sure one Mr. Corzine appreciated her service.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 02:37 | 3184984 TheMerryPrankster
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I beleive Corzine's exact words were, "Thanks a Billion."

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:23 | 3183768 yogibear
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What time is it? It's screw the muppets time.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 17:26 | 3183780 rodgerleanne
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First!  I was not and am not a fan of that spendaholic George Bush.

Second: I do notice from the chart in the article about Americans being negative on the economy, that the measure of pessimism has slid markedly since 2008.  Makes me wonder what those people at the inaugeration were cheering about.  Maybe they were all food stamps recipients.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 18:57 | 3184034 W74
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I live in the Baltimore area and I saw busses galore traveling down I-95 as I was traveling north.  Good thing the inaugeration happened on a federal holiday, we sure wouldn't want all of Obama's fans "taking the day off work" to go see dey boy put on a show at the theatre.

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