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The "Undisputed Housing Recovery" Is Unmissable On This New Home Sales Chart

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We could bore readers with the just announced New Homes Sales data from the Census Bureau, which put a somewhat largish dent in the "undisputed" housing recovery fairytale taking place in America (perhaps in the Hamptons, and triplexes in Manhattan where the NAR continues to launder Chinese and Russian oligarch money) such as:

  • December new homes sales, seasonally adjusted annualized, dropped from an upward revised 398K (was 377K) to 369K on expectations of a 385K print;
  • That this was the biggest M/M drop since February 2011;
  • That months supply rose from 4.5 to 4.9, the highest since January 2012;
  • That on an unadjusted, actual basis, a tiny 26K houses were actually sold in December, compared to 24K last December, of which just 2K in the Northeast;
  • That a whopping 1,000 houses were sold in the $750,000 and over category
  • That houses for sale rose to 150K, the highest since December of 2011
  • That the punditry already spun this as being due to lack of clarity over the Fiscal Cliff and tax hikes, when in reality with expectations of higher taxes, consumers would have spent more money on hard assets in December, but why not regurgitate generic stupidity...

Or we could just show this chart of the non-seasonally adjusted, unannualized New Home Sales in the past decade, and ask: just where is this recovery everyone keeps on talking about?

Source: St Louis Fed


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Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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Obviously people are too busy watching Netflix to shop for a new house.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:37 | Link to Comment trav777
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employment participation chart:  people are just fking broke

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:47 | Link to Comment markmotive
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Robert Shiller doesn't sound too enthusiastic about the 'housing recovery'

Being the housing guru, perhaps there's more than meets the eye. We still have huge inventories and a lot of support is coming from speculators and foreigners. Is this housing recovery real? Or just another funny-money game?

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:48 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Turn that chart upside down to see the situation in Lloyd Blankfein's neighborhood...

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:06 | Link to Comment doomandbloom
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But Kyle Bass said Housing IS recovering....

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Lost My Shorts
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Hmmm... good point.

ZH is a confusing place.  One moment the various incarnations of Tyler Durden are saying the $USD is being turned into confetti.  The next moment they say the price of real estate and stocks as measured in confetti will collapse very soon.  Weak minds like mine don't know what to think.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:14 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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deflation-USD rips-Bernanks nightmare

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment redpill
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If you are going to use non-seasonally adjusted figures, look at the year-over-year change in volume and price, not at the raw volume numbers.  Or at least you could do a rolling 12 months and show the month to month movement.  This survey is too skinny to be bothered with anyway but if you are going to use it, at least make a little effort to glean the trend out of it.  Home purchasing is very seasonal, so looking at it this way is pointlessly noisy.  Also, if you're actually intertested in finding the fundamental trend I'd advise excluding the May-June 2010 period as it was heavily influenced by the federal housing tax credit.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment edifice
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It's just infotainment. I come here for the laughs. :D

Sun, 01/27/2013 - 01:04 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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What we need is a comprehensive breakdown of what the "secret formulae" are for the seasonal adjustments that all governmental and quasi-governmental agencies that tabulate & produce data regarding utilize, from unemployment (from what I've been able to glean, very shady/opaque) to housing starts/sales (much more straightforward).

At this point, the seasonal adjustment gaming of the numbers has a very upwardly/positively skewed "hopium colored glasses" affect far more often than not.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment myptofvu
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Yeah but he said it was only because most housing recoveries happen about 6 or 7 years out.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment mnevins2
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Must be because mortgage interest rates are so high!

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:07 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Broke, and too afraid to re-locate for a new job, asssuming they find one.

Plus, demographics are working against any housing recovery, as the boomers want to down size....for many reasons.  They may to cash out as they had expected, to add to their retirement nest egg.  They may still have house payments that have become burdensome.  They may be less physically able to maintain their large homes and yards.  Cash flow may not allow them to pay for needed repairs.

So, every uptick in demand will be met with a fresh round of inventory.  New home builders have a long row to hoe in the average market, in my humble opinion.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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Rising oil/gas prices are very Bullish for all those buying zero down houses out in the burbs.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment tango
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Just as the FED's policy of weakening the dollar, discouraging savings and forcing folks to spend more/ pile on more debt is a wonderful boost to the housing industry.  It seems as if they were trying they could not implement policies more injurious to housing.  

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment Tsar Pointless
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That would be a pretty chart - if it were a sliding board.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment Racer
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 so they turn 26k into 369k

Welcome to the alchemists of USSA

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:28 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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Yes, but January's number will be an epic increase thanks to people finally getting their funds from selling paper assets and buying homes with the money.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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first, I agree with half your statement. I took a Big Dump of paper this week on the uptick but I ain't buying any RE yet. I'll wait until it drops another 40%. I see too-many-to-count empty boxes around and vacant mall stores to feel confident there is any sign of recovery as yet.


Thank you and Good luck!

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment tooriskytoinvest
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Marc Faber: The market will punish interventionists. "In the Loop" today that "regardless of what the markets do, near-term, a correction is overdue" on the S&P.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment Cursive
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Why buy when you can adversely possess it?  Just ask Loki Boy.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:53 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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The whole US is a result of adverse possessing the land of the prior owners. Just keep up this great tradition.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:56 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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Just a thought experiment:  Would the property necessarily have to be vacant before adverse possession?

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:07 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Well in any case, if Loki Boy ends up failing in Boca Raton, he could just mosey on over to the West Bank or Gaza... They seem to 'encourage' the behavior over there...

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Umh
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If the bank doesn't have title then his claim may be better than anyone else has at this point.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment oldschool
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Actually, it's a settled thought-experiment.  It's called "law" at this point, and the answer is "yes", unless one is jointly adversely possessing with the current occupant(s).

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment trav777
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dumbest thing ever written.  The previous owners adversely possessed it from their predecessors.

Nevermind that a good portion of the US was purchased, only the "former owners" were primitives that didn't believe in honoring agreements or "sharing."  They brought their war faces, raiding, stole, and killed, like primitives do and they got war in return.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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& smallpox

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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From whom it was purchased? From the Spanish and French who stole it from the Indians. 18 million people lived here, it was their land.

And they were sharing until they realized that there were essentially robbed. Why should they even share their land with intruders. Would you share your house with illegal immigrants from Mexiko?

That you call them "Primitives" explains your ignorance of the facts a lot. Natives in North America were very spohisticated  people, living in harmony with nature, never caused a mass exodus of people, animals or plants, but the European and later the US-American did.

Cahokia was the largest and most influential urban settlement in the Mississippian culture which developed advanced societies across much of what is now the Southeastern United States, beginning more than 500 years before European contact. Cahokia's population at its peak in the 1200s was as large as, or larger than, any European city of that time, and its ancient population would not be surpassed by any city in the United States until about the year 1800.

Please don't tell me the excuse that they died all of smallpox. It was a factor, but also caused by the weakening of their imune system due to dramatic change of their circumstances, force, rape, stress, slavery, hunger and bad nutrition ... the list goes on.


Sat, 01/26/2013 - 01:36 | Link to Comment Cardinal Fang
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Le mythe du bon sauvage, Le Meilleur des mondes

Sat, 01/26/2013 - 05:36 | Link to Comment WTFRLY
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So true. Western history in the textbooks is a farce.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Isn't "re-covery" what they call it when they back fill a grave after exhuming the body?

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment SHEEPFUKKER

In a free market, prices should never really go up. If demand increases, the builders just build more right?

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Bullwinkle Moose
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Who said there is still a free market?

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:55 | Link to Comment SHEEPFUKKER

I didn't say the market was free, I was just referencing the home builders going ballistic and thinking out loud that they will be screwed with all the new starts. 

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:47 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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In a free market, there is no banking cartell, no central bank and a gold based currency. Prices will more reflect the real value.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
Fri, 01/25/2013 - 20:25 | Link to Comment Umh
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Actually it's the paper money that's magic since it really is just a piece of paper.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:32 | Link to Comment t0mmyBerg
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But dude, that looks like a higher low and a higher high rightcthere.  With Spring coming on maybe another higher low.  Lower left to upper right is what I see, yeah!  Just need to take out that peak high from 2010 and BOOM! to the moon jack.  Momo baby!  Moar debt moar lumber moar steel moar everything.  Generational low.  Yeehaw!

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment 11b40
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I like your attitude, 'bro. Yeah, baby!

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:35 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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High end housing market is just another example of the decline of America. Most of these sales are money laundering from foreign criminals. Welcome to lawless america

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment DosZap
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High end housing market is just another example of the decline of America. Most of these sales are money laundering from foreign criminals. Welcome to lawless america



Rooskies,and Chinese are eating up Florida real estate at dimes to the dollar.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:37 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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The key to understanding the future of housing is to examine the situation of the organic first time buyer who has always led every "recovery".  Declining incomes, part time jobs, and student loan debt enslavement has totally decimated the ability of mortgage qualification for this segment of the population.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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never try to use logic in this day and age-in my case it only adds to the rage

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Plus all the boomers who want to cash out on the other end, with no buyers to hand the keys to.  Why buy new when there are so many good deals around....IF you are in the market at all.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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boomers got stuck-many moved into that bigger house in 2003-06 that wifey always wanted and now they are stuck(my mom and dad are in this boat)

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:44 | Link to Comment edifice
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My folks (early Boomers) are looking to sell their 5 acre place. Dad wants a farm, Mom doesn't care, as long as the house is "nice." I told them they're selling at the worst point in housing history, and wished them luck.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment donsluck
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Agreed. I had to leave my wife to force her into agreeing to sell our too-big house back in 2007. We sold, got back together and bought a short-sale house in 2011 for cash from the too-big house sale. Sometimes you have to step back and look at the big picture, stop satisfying your base instincts and suck it up (by renting) for a few years.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 19:37 | Link to Comment Dealyer Turdin
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Now that's Dealin your Turdin!

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Cdad
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And yet...look at where the housing related stocks are on their charts?  Yet another bubble, perpetrated by the algorithmic orgasmatron over at the BlowHorn [CNBC].

And again, all of this at the low low cost of just $85 billion per month deposited in our zombie banks.  What a deal.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:46 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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Young people are more mobile and beginning to realize it may not be a good idea to tie a lead weight around their ankle for 30 years. Most have to move every 3-5 years these days for a better job and try to sell a house? Stress plus the 10% in commissions and fees make it very difficult for them  since most have zero equity so they have to fork over thousands of dollars to close the deal.


The ones who have money find buy/sell stocks are much easier...simple and cheap and fast....just tap the key to buy and tap the key to sell.  Selling a house is no less thena Nightmare...I know...been down that road.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:18 | Link to Comment donsluck
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As the saying goes, you can buy more real estate in a day then you can sell in a lifetime. By the way, I sold two of our three houses without a realitor.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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I sold mine years ago.... thank God!

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:46 | Link to Comment economessed
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Obviously, they're excluding 1981 Ford Econoline vans, tents, cardboard boxes, and bridge overpasses from the new housing numbers -- why the omission?  It's distorting the true housing picture.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment edifice
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In Colorado, most of the bridge underpasses have been redesigned, specifically to prevent sleeping under them.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment Dealyer Turdin
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TARP smokescreen

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:51 | Link to Comment foodstampbarry
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Move to Washington DC get a gov't job and you're fucking set. Those fucking pigs are living the high life

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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that's why DC has been one of the lone bright spots in housing

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Umh
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Move to DC get a government job and then immediately start looking for a transfer to somewhere else. Don't let them pay you to move to DC or your going to be stuck for a while.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:52 | Link to Comment Uncle Zuzu
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The combination of lower prices and lower interest rates means that you can own the same house today at HALF the monthly payment of back in 2006.  Even with that, there is no bounce.  Bernie must be really upset.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 11:54 | Link to Comment eddiebe
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Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment jimcg
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I'm so damn tired of having this "recovery" conversation with the same people over the last five years. Can't recall whether this the twentieth or thirtish recovery to date. Oh well, not to worry, there will be many more...I'm sure.

I ask whether the NAR prostitutes have ever, yes ever, publicaly stated anything other than it's "an excellent time to buy", even moreso as prices were crashing thru the floor.

The day we hear "the market is correcting, we are in a bubble, wait till prices correct at least 60% until you even think of buying" is the day I will start considering taking these hookers serious.




Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:24 | Link to Comment Spacemoose
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just got back from the builder's show in vegas where we exhibited. this was the smallest show in years and was on a shortened schedule of three days as opposed to the normal schedule of four.  we spoke to about 300 builders and vendors.  now a caveat, i'm a cassandra and not a pollyanna and no one has ever accused me of having an optimistic personality.  that said, here are my takeaways from the show:b

1. there is a boomlet in new home sales. optimism reigns supreme. suitable land is ecoming hard to find. over and over i heard, it is a seller's market right now.  builders are scrambling to gear up to meet demand.  this may be survivor bias, but this was the most positive IBS show we have been to in years. 

2. activity is picking up strongly in the northeast.  (bastiat would disapprove but this may be due to hurricane sandy.)  

3 california is experiencing an exodus of the middle class which is driving a substantial pickup in sales in the bordering states.  one idaho builder related the story of a friend who was going to buy 10 acres and "plant californians".  this may bode well for some regional distributors of new home construction materials and furnishings.

4 ironically, given the above, california builders are still doing surprisingly well with strong sales.

5. demand for luxury housing within commuting distance of the  forbidden city washington dc metro area remains very strong.

i'm still trying to sort out what this all means because it seems to fly in the face of logic.  however, i,m coming to the conclusion that the shadow inventory may consist of homes for which there is no demand due to location or other factors.  gotta run now and followup on our many (and strong) leads.




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Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment jimcg
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I appreciate your input, and it may seem a bit illogical, but you must consider the quality of your information.

Worked for several major national, and international real estate developers and investors for over twenty plus years at a relatively senior level, witnessed the aftermath of the 70s bust and participated in both the 1990s and the current boom/bust cycles. 

One of the strangest of the common themes of the boom/bust cycle is the inability of even the biggest and most experienced principles to recognize either the signs of, or detect the deceptive and false upticks during, even the biggest and obvious collapses. They tend to repeatedly acquire, overbuild, develop, and invest, at the highest peak of the cycle. Recall one major player during the late 80s (withholding name) actually state: "If I knew that prices would go this high, I would have never sold anything", that was just before the bust.

Good luck.




Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment Spacemoose
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we actually host our client's sales data (sql server).  our records seem to confirm the anectdotal evidence. 

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment are we there yet
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Housing market hospice not recovery in Detroit. Toxic assets means houses that are unsalable due to crime areas, minority neighbors, or a collapse of a tax base after white flight takes its income away and the entitlement economy takes over as on the Detroit model.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Yep! They are just lining up in my neck of the woods to buy my house......about to lower the price AGAIN....i'll give the fucker away by March as I know whats around the corner. 

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Looks like the slug is trying to crawl out of the room unnoticed.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment monopoly
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It is all so absurd. Much better economy, right.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment dvfco
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There is no recovery.  The very, very few people able to obtain mortgages are buying and, yes, at somewhat higher prices than last year.  However, they have received 3.5% mortgages, where it costs $450 per month and can pay $900 for $200,000 in a loan.  Add typical taxes and they are paying another $250 for taxes (outside of metropolitan areas on the west, east and southeast portions of the perimeter of our country).

So, they are paying $1,150 per month plus maybe $150 in insurance, or $1,300 / month.

Think what happens when their municipality hits this shits and has to continue paying every teacher, firefighter, cop and municipal employees pension and healthcare and taxes will double in the next 3 years.  Then, assume that mortgage rates go to a measly 4.5%, which would still be ridiculously low in historic terms.  Then, their insurance would be, say, $175, taxes $500 / month and they'll have $675 per month gone before mortgage.  Subtracting that the $1,300 per month they were paying in a fixed rate mortgage, a new buyer would actually have only $625 per month to pay.  Assume in 3 years more people can get loan and they're able to pend $1,500 per month rather than $1,300 per month.  Then, they'll have $825 left over for their mortgage.  

Unfortunately, now thee $825 they have to pay their note only pay a mortgage of $158,000.  So, the $200,000 mortgage they could afford only pays a mortgage of $158,000 if mortgage rates rise to only 4.5%.  So, there's a loss of 21% of value.  If mortgage rates ever head back to 6%, the mortgage drops to $137,500, representing a loss of 31.25% loss of value.  

So, could I get anyone to agree that we don't have a turnaround in the market but, instead, we have a temporary (yes, I'm going to say it) BUBBLE that will last until rates break into the low- to mid-4% range.

On the other hand, and being a partially practical person, I would say that it still is a great time to buy if a) you have a very secure job (and preferably you and your wife have secure jobs - teacher, cop, fireman, etc.), b) you are able to buy a house you plan on living in for a minimum of 10 years, and c) you will still be fine if you sell your house for 20% below the purchase price in a decade.  Then, you're getting the deal of the century at these mortgage rates.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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property taxes going up to pay for 'school security' insurance premiums soaring....maintenance soaring....


Lots of rising costs and problems  not addressed by MSM in their, "all is fine" reports.

Sat, 01/26/2013 - 17:00 | Link to Comment DosZap
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property taxes going up to pay for 'school security' insurance premiums soaring....maintenance soaring....


Lots of rising costs and problems not addressed by MSM in their, "all is fine" reports.

Ditto, a biatch ran through 60' of my Redwood fence, posts and all, totalled his car, ran from the scene.

So cops do not know WHO was driving(dumbass locked the vehicle when he ran away @ 2:45 a.m.)So we know it was some really conscientous thief, not a drunk/drug stupored moron right?.

Well, I call my insurance agent to see where I stand (car is insured), he said well we auotomatically had a 1% increase based on home value so your deductible is now DOUBLED.

And yet costs a lot more.

Since the car was insured, but no way to place owner behind wheel, I ate the repairs to my fence, and I am in subrogation, and it could take up to a year for me to recoup the out of pocket expenses, and deductible.(they paid 25% of my deductible.) WOW~~

Could be far worse, at least I may recoup my losses.


Fri, 01/25/2013 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Jake88
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And the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 15:18 | Link to Comment Mark Noonan
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Geesh, you are waaaaaay too picky - I mean, look at the chart!  We're slightly above the bottom!  That's all you need to know - it isn't as bad as it was, ergo its a bottom which means we're in a recovery, which means its time to buy, buy, buy! 

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 16:29 | Link to Comment NEOSERF
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Tents, boats and vans; the new mobile housing units you should buy now...

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 16:31 | Link to Comment jbvtme
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if this economy was viable, they wouldn't be trying to take our guns away.

Fri, 01/25/2013 - 20:22 | Link to Comment neutrinoman
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Kyle Bass said housing has bottomed and has taken positions in once-toxic, now-underpriced MBS. He's not talking about a big jump in houses proper, just the paper.

Sat, 01/26/2013 - 17:05 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Kyle Bass said housing has bottomed and has taken positions in once-toxic, now-underpriced MBS. He's not talking about a big jump in houses proper, just the paper.

I certainly ain't Kyle Bass, but I beg to differ,the bottom may be temporaily on hold, but when(not if they stop printing,or we go totally in the tank), I see an easy 20%+ more drop.

When the ObamaNOcare health BS goes into effect next year fullbore, who will be left to buy onto it with min pay jobs, and less than 40hr weeks?.

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