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Cashin On Icahn Vs Ackman: "Like A Car Chase - And About As Meaningful"
Cramer called it the greatest piece of financial TV history. He was the only one. Here is Art Cashin's take on last week's 1 hour slow motion trainwreck between Ackman and Icahn.
Stocks opened solidly better and began to build on those gains. Disappointing home sales at 10:00 seemed to dent the rally and stocks struggled through the morning, finally regaining the morning highs around noon.
Then came a rather bizarre TV soap opera. As someone on the floor called it, it was like Jerry Springer with limos.
Actually, on Jerry Springer, I am told, the protagonists are live and often rush to confront each other physically. Here they were formless voices that phoned their enmity in.
While it diverted trading desks and floors somewhat – like a car chase – it was about as meaningful. Traders wondered if the performance dented the confidence of mom and pop investors watching at home. It certainly didn't make the financial arena sound solid and businesslike.
Financial arena: "solid" and "businesslike?"
Actually no Art, it showed the financial arena precisely for what it is: nothing more than an endless pissing match between the uber rich, who just happen to be the only ones left in this market, a market where investing is not based on fundamentals, but purely on ego trips to prove that i am right, and you are wrong, and naturally subsidized by every central planner's now endless dilution of fiat equivalents, everywhere.
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Einhorn?
Finkle IS Einhorn.
EINHORN IS FINKLE!
EINHORN IS A MAN!
Tone-Loc's finest dramatic work.
If Icahn and Ackman were in the same room, and a metorite fell killng both, would anyone care?
This interview exposed how the Big-Business really works, it's all about who-knows-who, smoke filled backroom deals, insider trading etc.
It has nothing to do with who's the smartest, hardest working, talented trader.
And to think that people like that have most politicians in their back pockets should make everybody nauseous and very very scared.
So true. The hedge fund business is first and foremost a relationship business, not an investment business. Without their contacts, these guys couldn't find a good investment if it hit them in the face.
"If Icahn and Ackman were in the same room, and a metorite fell killng both, would anyone care?"
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The meteorite would be pissed that it wasted it's awesome destructive power on a pair of twat waffles...
Yes I would care, I'd be fucking ecstatic.
Somebody else mentioned thunder dome earlier. God that would be great with the bungee cords and chainsaws and everything. I'd take thunder dome or a prize fight between Ackman, Icahn, and 1990's era Mike Tyson.
Change the title to Ackman instead of Einhorn.
Einhorn's presence is germane to the subject at hand actually since it is he who implores us that talking about investing and investments is a good thing - something that Ackman applied a good faith effort toward and Icahn did very little of last Friday.
It showed the truth, a circus, and Cramer is a rodeo clown...
rodeo clowns have skin in the game!
It's the New York version of the Hatfields & McCoys.
This is the billionaire version of a food fight.
This can only mean one thing......it's time for Thunderdome.
Goodie started it...
"Actually no Art, it showed the financial arena precisely for what it is: nothing more than an endless pissing match between the uber rich, who just happen to be the only ones left in this market, a market where investing is not based on fundamentals, but purely on ego trips to prove that i am right, and you are wrong, and naturally subsidized by every central planner's now endless dilution of fiat equivalents, everywhere."
This is either Tyler at his very best, or the very best Tyler nailing a perfect paragraph.
In any pissing match the worst place to be is the middle.
I can just see these guys at the death camp standing in line for a "shower" and agruing with each other about which one had cut into the line to get their shower first.
I'd just like to see them in line at the death camp
To wish one is to live in one. resident manager maybe?
Do big hitters actually give money to clowns like that? They must be the ones who do the whale trades at GS. Cramers due diligence was only how much IPO biz could he buy with flow, Michael was a good teacher.........just another old cartoon character from the Squid whose time is up.
pissing match between the uber rich! pinky finger up while holding that thing! MSM or should I say OWNO( one world news order ) as they all spew the same shit out of their filthy pie holes!
Ackman says MLM is broken business model.
Man takes swing at MLM and all they saw was the money flying between which is the only game they see in NY. The facts are goods in trade and gentlemen will avoid their disparaging nature.
MLM blows!
Any article which starts with "Cramer called it..." is basically begging readers NOT to continue reading.
...nevermind...
Please God, tell me that Bob Pisani is wrong about record inflows into mutual funds by retail investors.
Every 401ker in the country I talk too is still forced to play the market. Everyone under 40 still 70:30 stocks:bonds. The corporation owns your government. They have made sure everyone comes in their casino and plays. Isn't fascism great?
Marx I believe said that it helps to call the serfs as partners, since it makes them feel better and work more in peace.
How about 0:0:90:10 - Stocks:Bonds:PMs:Cash
Tell us Art, what is the "price" of something no one wants? Even better Art, what is the "price" of something I refuse to sell?
'Cramer called it the greatest piece of financial TV history' Twat.
Bearing in mind they were both on the phone, so as a piece of TV it was utter shit.
As a piece of audio, all I could hear was a cat whining (Icahn), and some traders gfawwing in the background.
If this put Mom and Pop off, but MF Global didn't, then we are truly in bizarro world ... we are.
I watched a NOVA special called "Mind Over Money" that was helpful in confirming they trade to make other people lose at cost to themselves as often as they try to win. That is probably why it is so easy to just make money coldly taking the other side of irrational ego or nonsense philosophy driven interventions.
Biggest themes in that whole thing was "We had a handshake agreement" "I would not do business with you if you paid me" "I have the best lawyer in the world, but he missed this" "You are a bully, no you are a bully!, no the host is a bully!" "Thank you for your time Mr. Ackerman and Mr. Icahn, we hope you will come back on our show" ... "But you did not thank ME for MY time!"
All considered, I'd probably trust this paridigm more than the public sector. Hank "tanks in the streets" Paulson, followed by a retard who does not numberstand (sic) turbotax. Followed by a guy with the signature of somebody even more retared. Even illiterate people can assertively draw an X.
These two clowns only harvest productivity of others. They contribute nothing to society.
Yes but the question remains..."Is Herbalife a Pyramid Scheme OR is this just a pump and dump scheme being portrayed for profits"?
Are Ackman and Icahn in Cahoots: Scheme to Dispose Herbalife Shares of Group? How else are you going to create a bid in a ponzi concern large enough to sell out before it tanks?
http://cycleofstructurednonsense.blogspot.com/2013/01/ackman-and-icahn-i...
Yes, yes, and yes. But as far as trashy behavior from people no better than the proletariat despite their hubris and protestations to the contrary, it was friggin hilarious! Schadenfreude? Admittedly, but entertaining nonetheless.
A whiney arrogant prick and a grumpy, foul-mouthed idiot. A plague a' both your houses!
lets find a buttonwood tree and meet there to trade our own financial instruments and not invite these nipple noses or their ilk
"mom and pop investors watching at home"
Who are they f**king kidding???