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Guest Post: A Louisiana Grocery Store Is Forced To Raise Milk Prices By State Regulators

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Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

You might have to read this post twice to make sure your eyes didn’t deceive you.  This article is actually completely different from my recent pieces on stealth inflation, but is even more infuriating.  In this case, a grocery store called Fresh Markets decided to sell milk at a bargain basement price as part of a promotion, yet the state has deemed the price “too low.”  As a result, the chain is being forced to raise the price.  Yep, at a time when millions are struggling every day to make ends meet, this is what the state of Louisiana has decided it a priority that the cost of milk is higher for consumers in the state.  This is exactly what happens when bureaucrats exert to much influence in our daily lives.  From the Daily Caller:

Louisiana state regulators recently cracked down on a supermarket chain’s weekly promotional deal because it was selling milk too cheaply — which violates state law.


The upscale Fresh Markets was selling gallons of milk for $2.99 as part of a weekly promotional deal. Louisiana requires that retailer price markups be at least six percent above the invoice and shipping costs of the product.


“They can sell it six percent over cost all day long. It’s when they sell it below cost that it becomes a problem,” State Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner Mike Strain told The Advocate.


After getting a complaint about Fresh Market’s promotional deal, Strain’s office sent an auditor to a French Markets store.


At least one Fresh Market shopper was outraged when he found that the state government had intervened to control the store’s milk prices.

No one can seem to put a banker in jail, but sell milk too cheap and regulators are all over you.  What a disgrace.

Full article here.


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Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:31 | 3191574 waterhorse
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"No one can seem to put a banker in jail, but sell milk too cheap and regulators are all over you. What a disgrace."

Hasn't anyone told you yet that laws don't apply to banksters?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:35 | 3191589 FL_Conservative
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Just wait until here's about that.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:37 | 3191603 PaJoad
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Udder-ly ridiculous.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:47 | 3191638 Pladizow
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America = Dead Man Walking!

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:55 | 3191680 Cheesy Bastard
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Well, government officicals can probably still buy the cheap milk.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:01 | 3191701 ihedgemyhedges
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I would give the chick that drew me in to this post my milk for free...

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:05 | 3191710 francis_sawyer
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I'd have her give me some...

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:19 | 3191767 NotApplicable
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You worrywarts just need to start eating more soybean oil. That'll fix ya!

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:44 | 3191848 economics9698
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Fascism at work.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:26 | 3192006 strannick
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Progressive Collectivism. A subtle mix of folly and corruption.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:32 | 3192028 redpill
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“They can sell it six percent over cost all day long. It’s when they sell it below cost that it becomes a problem,” State Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner Mike Strain told The Advocate.

Uh, care to explain WHY that's a problem? Why can't they charge whatever they want?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:37 | 3192049 Rossalgondamer
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You didn't milk that.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:39 | 3192055 tip e. canoe
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my fav post of 2013 so far


Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:02 | 3192146 AldousHuxley
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you didn't milk that.....

look up milk subsidies for milk producers X miles away from city centers....


milk doesn't do you body is just liquid fat. it is unnatural for old people to consume (lactose intolerance)



just drink water.



Mon, 01/28/2013 - 16:13 | 3192397 francis_sawyer
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can't make cheese, or butter without milk... [OH ~ WELL, MAYBE YOU CAN THERE GEORGE JETSON]...

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 19:29 | 3193005 AldousHuxley
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so milk producer subsidies = subsidies for the entire dairy industry


enough fat poor people already in America. They can live with less cheese and butter. Save on healthcare costs.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 16:19 | 3192428 MiguelitoRaton
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We the people are the government's new milk cows

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 20:54 | 3193297 A Nanny Moose
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Best post ever!

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:53 | 3192345 ThirdWorldDude
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Redpill, the answer to your question is because Fresh Market's low prices are bad for big corporations' business. Guess that small company can't offer much in "political donations" to the crooks occupying Louisiana local offices. Free lobbyist market is all that's left of capitalism's free markets and these fasci symptoms are getting more and more prevalent throughout the developed world!

Ask SuddenDebt how farmers in Belgium feel...

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 20:55 | 3193303 A Nanny Moose
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The "Competition" doesn't like that

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 16:19 | 3192422 SafelyGraze
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hayden sez 'wazzup'

"i think milk is an incredible thing to put in your body"

take *that* all you haterz who think that milk should not be put into the body

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 16:24 | 3192442 krispkritter
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I'm betting any number of ZH'ers would like to put their incredible thing in her body...

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 16:11 | 3192390 AgShaman
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Time for lactating, single moms to step in and provide an alternate market solution

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 20:58 | 3193312 A Nanny Moose
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Can't do that. Where would you put the picture of a missing child?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:06 | 3191721 Capitalist10
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A clear violation of the "Anti-dog-eat-dog" laws.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:32 | 3191801 eatthebanksters
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I'm waiting for Atlas to shrug...the moochers and the looters are making their presence's fucked up.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:22 | 3191993 redpill
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What's to come may put anything that could have come out of Ayn Rand's imagination to shame.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 21:00 | 3193315 A Nanny Moose
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We've already been through on Dark Age. I suppose it's about time for another.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:23 | 3191779 smlbizman
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the brilliant william donald schafer the blatimore mayor than govenor, put a floor under gas that it cannot be sold below cost..not fair he as these deep pocket super stops, farm store, wawa. that are typically within view of each other, would probably engage in gas wars to attract the coffee buyer.....nope....but now with gas taxes so important to these busted blue states dwindeling. they would just steal those savings by more taxes at the pump and wholesale level....

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:31 | 3191800 knukles
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Mention this to one of my collectivist atheistic stateist uber-liberal golf buds and his answer was ....

             Are you ready?

             You sure?

             Get ready.....

Need some more regulations about it.


(testes feel very strange sensation whenever I hear something like that....)

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:44 | 3192077 secret_sam
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That's Louisiana in a nutshell, for sure.  Collectivist atheistic stateist uber-liberal.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:48 | 3192093 youngman
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Is that a picture of becky Quick after Warren tell me it ain´t so...

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:14 | 3192192 wee-weed up
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How about a milk adverisment poster with Becky Quick sporting a white upper lip saying...

"Got Warren?"

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:48 | 3191643 john39
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because they sold raw dairy... big brother will never allow raw dairy...  because, quite simply, it is good for you.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:23 | 3191997 earleflorida
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EPA- considers milk spills hazardous waste?


Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:02 | 3192150 AldousHuxley
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have you smelled sour milk?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:11 | 3192173 buckethead
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That is utterly fucking heartbreaking.

Not to mention infuriating.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:33 | 3191805 mess nonster
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Didn't you know that "DC" stands for "Dairy Council"?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:28 | 3192018 PairOf3s
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Those state regulators really get on my teats!

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:42 | 3192065 Al Gorerhythm
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God gave us bankers. It's listed somewhere in the constitution that we were blessed withj them, classifying them as an inalienable right. It's God's work they're doing.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 16:32 | 3192473 Slightly Insane
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What do you suppose would happen if you put a "Name that Government Official"?  I'm betting that some farmer might run his manure spreader accross his front lawn a few times .... just to show him what's in store for him.

Tyler, put a name on that IDIOT!

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 18:15 | 3192795 Fish Gone Bad
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The 99centsonly stores have been selling milk for $2.99/gallon for a while now.  Staters Brothers sells gallons of milk for $2.89.  I guess they need to be shut down as well.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:32 | 3191575 world_debt_slave
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yep, the milk cartel, also the gov. goes after raw milk sellers and drinkers. Where I work we have Milk Monday's.

Vid on FDA going after raw milk producers for sale, making them dump their milk.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:44 | 3191629 HoofHearted
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You should see the movie Farmageddon. It's a crying shame what those bastards do to honest people. Eventually somebody's gonna get pissed, and we'll see Waco all over again. 

Not a threat...just a prediction. And I'm no Nostradamus.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:52 | 3191664 otto skorzeny
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don't be so afraid of big brother

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:49 | 3191872 Renewable Life
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Ya, but this time, lets hope it's not a bunch of petifile, religious lunatics, having delusions of Christ returning, and hope its just dozens of law abiding, average hard working Americans, that have been pushed to the limit! If the government EVER makes the mistake of getting into a stand off with these types in the central Midwest, this would be the spark, that sets this bitch ablaze!!!

I can promise you, if they ever do this, thousands if not tens of thousands of armed farmers and blue collar men, would converge on that site within hours! The Feds and State would be overwhelmed so fast, they would think they were in Iraq again!!!!

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 16:09 | 3192385 willwork4food
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What makes you think they were religious lunatics at Waco? To my recollection, it didn't matter if they were worshiping grasshopers according to the Bill of Rights.

Let's hope you're correct about the tens of thousands, but if they can demonize the families at Waco, they can demonize any dozen or so farmers and have the public crying for their scalps in record time. Think: MSN propoganda.

 The only way something effective will get done is for a massive revolt.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 21:04 | 3193327 A Nanny Moose
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RIP Chingachgook

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:32 | 3191577 LawsofPhysics
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Competition not being allowed in a red state?  I thought the GOP was all about free markets?!?!  < sarc off >

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:35 | 3191587 Dr. Engali
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Competion is good until somebody more connected than you starts losing.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:36 | 3191594 LawsofPhysics
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Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:17 | 3192204 flyingpigg
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Right, +1 from me

Result of the agricultural lobby bitchez!

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 17:11 | 3192561 Number 156
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And aside from Dairy Products, What happens if 30% of the population begins growing their own food?



Mon, 01/28/2013 - 21:06 | 3193333 A Nanny Moose
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FDR. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:39 | 3191606 otto skorzeny
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bobby jindahl is a bitch

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:54 | 3191674 Mike in GA
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We haven't had free markets in our lifetimes. 

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:31 | 3191798 LawsofPhysics
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Thanks captain obvious (That's what the sarcasm flag is for).

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:58 | 3191688 larz
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Typical progressive argument - our president is a pompous clueless ass but republicans are too - na na na na they both suck and we need to join together and fight this idiocy

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:35 | 3191808 LawsofPhysics
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Only an idiot would believe a progressive is in favor of true competition.  Do you have something of value to contribute, or simply trolling?  Oh damn...

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:39 | 3191820 mess nonster
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Doesn't anyone see the opportunity here? C'mon, we've all dealt a little a little weed in the past, in junior high or something.  Black market milk has to  have some profit potential. The raw dairy can't sell its milk on the open market, so it has to unload it at a discount to black market dealers who can then sell what is a scarce commodity for a premium... THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY! WIN WIN! (for everyone except "That Hideous Strength" -style death-dealing bureaucrats).

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:36 | 3192040 cxl9
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There has been extensive dealing in black-market dairy for years by various granola types, California hippies, and of course those dangerous criminal subversives, the Amish. Raw milk goes for up to $10/gal. And raw milk cheeses enjoy considerable demand and price premiums. There are occasional arrests by gun-toting government thugs, and prosecutions resulting in prison time, which are of course essential price supports.


Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:06 | 3191915 Bob
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This would be the state where Jindal is pushing elimination of income taxes and full reliance upon sales taxes.  Sure, that might hurt the poor--but they have to start paying their fair share!

Hence, retail milk prices must be enforced.  How else can croney capitalists get their fair prices?

These people been on the teat too long.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:06 | 3191938 Woodyg
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Worrying about milk prices and not a word on the salt dome collapse in bayou corne -

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:19 | 3192201 Raymond Reason
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These laws stem from the unintended consequences of allowing public traded corporation charters.  A retailer, becoming unnaturally large and politically influential, enters a new market, and has the wherewithal to sell product below cost for a sustained period and drive out  smaller competitors, becoming a monopoly. 

The other reason to sell product below cost is chicanery.  Using the lost leader on price sensitive items to lure in suckers, and then nail them with the blind items. 

The law actually protects the local merchant, and local buyer.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 21:14 | 3193342 A Nanny Moose
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So low prices are bad for consumers? Got it.

The only way a monopoly can be maintained, in a strictly voluntary environment, is by contuing to offer prices low enough for 100% of consumers.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:32 | 3191579 Cognitive Dissonance
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The Empire's self destruction is always in the details.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:34 | 3191582 astoriajoe
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I always get a kick out of politicians setting prices for some reason.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:37 | 3191583 Dr. Engali
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I'll bet you Walmart is the company that pitched a bitch. Around here Aldi's milk price is a lot cheaper than Walmart's. If you buy milk at Walmart and tell them you want Aldi's price they will honor it, but I'm sure it's a bite in their shorts.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:39 | 3191608 otto skorzeny
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Aldi is great-$1.79 a gallon by me.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:44 | 3191623 Dr. Engali
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That's the same price here. I do 90% of my shopping at Aldi's. Everything except produce and a few brand names that I like.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:46 | 3191632 otto skorzeny
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produce is the same or better and my $ goes back to Der Vaterland. those hillbillies in Benton AR can blow me-although they have good ammo prices(if you can find it)

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:56 | 3191685 Dr. Engali
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The produce Aldi's has here is okay but not great...for that I try to support the local farmers or I go to Meijer. I'm like you I will avoid Walmart if at all possible. I can't stand looking at the zombies shuffling around.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:41 | 3191815 francis_sawyer
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$1.89 this weekend at Aldi... Bought 2 gallons & made a wheel of parmesean cheese [for 2014]... Accidentally left a little whey in a bowl out & found a drown mouse in there in the morning... Hope the little sucker died happy... Tossed him out into the yard & the birds had him within 15 minutes...

See?... A FREE MARKET economy actually does exist if you cut the bankers out...


Not to mention that Aldi is a half mile closer to the francis_sawyer homestead than WAL MART...

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:44 | 3192081 Magnix
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What city? Its $2.39 at Aldi in Grand Prairie, TX

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:12 | 3192164 francis_sawyer
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East of the Mississippi... [too long of a drive to save the extra 50 cents]... But, closer to your point, it's all dairy farms around here, so I imagine that has something to do with it... Never asked... I buy hay & manure from one of the dairy farmers right by...

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:00 | 3191691 MayIMommaDogFac...
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$1.79 a gallon by me!

Good God!  That's like half price!  Do you live right on the farm?  ;-)

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:18 | 3191982 NotApplicable
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Well, it's likely not more than a quarter milk.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:53 | 3191881 TomGa
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Aldi here is $2.49, and the produce is as good or often better than major name grocery chains.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:13 | 3191962 ThatGuyEhler
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lol, us Canadians pay as much as $8 a gallon for milk. Consider yourselves lucky.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:47 | 3191641 dobermangang
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Aldis has the best prices.  Buy all your canned food there and stock up and save.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:50 | 3191650 otto skorzeny
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that should be their new tag-line-"The Prepper's Favorite"-of course then the US would shut them down

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:51 | 3191658 Anusocracy
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Around here, the Aldi stores had milk at $1.69 a gallon for the holidays. Now it's up to $1.89.

Makes my homemade kefir pretty cheap.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:08 | 3191729 LeisureSmith
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+1 for making your own Kefir.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:18 | 3191764 Anusocracy
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Seeing as though my cells are outnumbered ten to one by my bacterial guests, I do what I can to have the most beneficial guests.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:45 | 3192314 Sokhmate
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+1. But your cells are the guest. I do what I can to make my flora happy.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 22:17 | 3193506 Anusocracy
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Same here.


Recently I read that some bacteria on your skin can benefit the immune cells there.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:37 | 3191600 waterwitch
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Wait until price supports (farm subsidies) are removed. Then you'll see some real bitching.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:41 | 3191615 otto skorzeny
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fuck everybody-if you can't afford something without subsidies then tough shit(or just die)

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:52 | 3191660 otto skorzeny
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I see alot of champagne socialists are down-arrowing me

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:42 | 3191835 mess nonster
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You get + from me. Freedom is painful, but sweet. If you don't work, you don't eat.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:35 | 3191592 mckee
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Why buy the cow when you can.... oh crap, thought this was the Buffet/Quick caption thread.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:45 | 3191634 HoofHearted
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mckee FTMFW

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 16:27 | 3192451 Intoxicologist
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Or conversely, from Becky's perspective, "Why buy the pig when you can get the sausage for nothin?"

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:37 | 3191599 Bankrupt from B...
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a sad commentary on the priorities of state officials - officials who are employed to serve the people of their state.  I would like to think they will get their cumuppence, but that's probably not going to happen


Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:37 | 3191602 Mercury
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Got price controls?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:38 | 3191604 gamera9
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With all the homrones and anti bacterials is it really milk anymore, just call it a milk flavored beverage probelm solved.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:33 | 3191804 thecoloredsky
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A milk inspired drink

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:28 | 3192021 NotApplicable
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You mean malk?

As for milk, this book will cure you of it.

The Untold Story of Milk

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:41 | 3191610 amadeusb4
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Usually seemingly stupid regulations like this have a way of being there because of some extremely blatant manipulation of the system in some forgotten past. A lot of labor rules are like this. They sound completely idiotic until you learn WHY THEY WERE ENACTED! Typically, because the EMPLOYER tried to screw everyone, customers, employees, community, etc, over and this one seemingly stupid rule put a stop to it.

So before you get your libertarian panties all up in a twist, dig a little deeper. Having said that, I've never met a libertarian that's been afraid to look stupid.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:47 | 3191639 mayhem_korner
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I hope you are one of the following:

a) a professional troll

b) short your prescription SSRIs

c) joking

ps: not everyone here is a libertarian.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:53 | 3191665 TerminalDebt
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libertarians dont wear panties, they like to be "free"

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:53 | 3191668 Dr. Engali
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I guess that means we can put you down for the starve the poor camp.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:53 | 3191669 Pants McPants
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"I had to abandon my free market principles in order to save the free market"

-- Dubya

Seriously, though, do you see the disconnect in your post above?  The idea that rules apply to one group of people (i.e., citizens) but not another group of people (the government)

Do you suppose the disconnect invites all kinds of corruption?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:32 | 3192031 NotApplicable
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Yeah, because price controls work so fucking well at achieving their stated intention. LOL

As for your intent, Poe's Law requires further study...

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 14:48 | 3199564 amadeusb4
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I took the whole 3 minutes to google this for you knuckleheads. Louisania Dairy Stabilization Board Rules and Regulations state, under Disruptive Trade Practices, that:

No person engaged in the processing, production, manufacture, distribution or sale of dairy products shall discriminate between different sections, communities, cities, or localities in the state by selling such dairy products at a lower rate in one section, community, city, or locality, than is charged for the dairy product by such person in another section, community, city or locality, after making due allowance for the difference, if any, in the grade or quality of the dairy product and in the actual cost of transportation of the dairy product from the point of production, if a raw product, or from the point of manufacture, if a manufactured product, where the effect of such discrimination may tend to harm competition. All sales so made shall be prima facie evidence of the unfair discrimination prohibited hereby.


So, I'm going out on a limb here, but given that Fresh Market has stores outside of Louisiana that weren't selling below cost, this triggered a rule intended to prevent monopoly practices. 

So, I stand vindicated. Because some local asshole of the past fucked with a basic commodity that wreaked havoc on the people and businesses of Louisiana for fun and profit, a law was enacted to put a stop to it. Fast forward to the iphone era where idiots who grew up under Reaganite brainwashing are now railling against the very infrastructure and institutions that were enacted to protect them in the first place.

Futher information for the literate:

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:41 | 3191614 azzhatter
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Had a similiar issue with Walgreens a while back. They were selling milk real cheap to get people in the store. The gov's master WalMart complained and of course they quietly told Walgreens to get in lockstep. Fucking bureaucrats can all suck my dick if they want milk

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:44 | 3192305 MsCreant
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"Fucking bureaucrats can all suck my dick"

Men will put their dicks anywhere...Jesus.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 20:16 | 3193165 dogbreath
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Ms.   I guess some men will hit anything but there are some things just too ugly.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:42 | 3191618 Catullus
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I grew up three blocks from this Perkins Rowe thing in Baton Rouge. It was at Perkins and Bluebonnet.

The whole Perkins Rowe thing was a corrupt as it gets. It was built post Katrina during 2006. A shit ton of money from the CMBS bubble and relocating New Orleans folks moving up after they realized NOLA was f-ed.

The place is the antithesis of cultural life in Louisiana. Big corporate box stores, selling high end furniture and "organic" food with a "Towne Centre" mixed use urban planning. It's southeast Louisiana: if it doesn't revolve around A/C and LSU football, forget it. The place was foreclosed on with 5 years. Contractors not paid. Unfinished buildings. Shitty construction.

Just put that cheap milk in perspective. A project gone bad trying to get people to come back to the area. Sad. But typical Louisiana.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:47 | 3191642 otto skorzeny
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no offense- but the french penchant for corruption still runs deep in LA

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:53 | 3191671 Cursive
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@otto skorenzy

Do you consider the The City a "French" possession?  What about Wall Street?  Is that too "French" for you?  I didn't know Goldman Sachs or any of the other banks was "French".  Was it a French cabal that conspired to suppress LIBOR rates?  Give me a break, no race or ethnicity has a lock on corruption.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:08 | 3191709 otto skorzeny
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what in the fuck are you talking about? I saw your other post pissing and moaning about "loss leaders" and  dumbfuck LA dairy farmers that need the LA govt to keep other states' milk out and other such socialist claptrap-it explains alot

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:24 | 3191780 Cursive
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@otto skorzeny

I really don't care what New Jersey's (or any other state) laws are for the retail sale of milk or any other products.  When I visited New Jersey on business, I was forced to use self service to refuel my rental car.  That's how they did it in New Jersey.  Was that stupid?  Hell yeah.  So, I just avoid New Jersey as much as I can.  If you only had 24 hours in the day to devote to one task, would you rather lobby for the removal of federal farm subsidies or the repeal of a stupid Louisiana law?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:53 | 3192111 fuu
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Like either activity has any chance in hell of doing anything.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 05:58 | 3215765 jaffa
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In the past I have tied my walking stick to the outside of my backpack. At that time I could still take it into the cabin as carry on luggage, but I have trusted it to the luggage crews more than once too. My stick did not stick out past the top of the bag and sat in its own small pocket at the side of the bag, with several straps around it. If you take a suitcase or backpack that is big enough to pack it inside, you best do that. And if you do not trust it in checked luggage, contact your airline or the TSA and check whether you are allowed to carry it into the plane with your hand luggage. The rules for that do change all the time now. Thanks. Removals Cheltenham

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:57 | 3191679 Catullus
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That's great. But the French influence is like 1/6th of the mix in Louisiana. Plenty of German, Irish, Italian influences in the big cities. In parts of New Orleans, you'll hear an accent close to Brooklynese with a "y'all". I thought they were making fun of me when I first heard it.

It's not anymore corrupt than central New Jersey. It just has a reputation for it.

Louisiana really made a serious run a fascism in the 1930s under Huey Long. It's really a fascinating history if you get a chance to skim through it. The Public Private Partnership model and the train of abuses and crony contracting that went with it. It was too in your face for northeastern WASPs to handle.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:01 | 3191700 Cursive
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Thank you for attempting to explain a very diverse state.  Another example is that the "French Quarter" is the best showcase for 18th century Spanish architecture.  And New Orleans did have a huge populations of Irish and German.  One thing united New Orleans prior to 1960:  a shared Catholic religion.  One good thing about "Duck Dynasty" is that I can point to that and show people that Louisiana probably has more "rednecks" than "coonasses".  It's a gumbo of a lot of ethnicities for sure.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:11 | 3191746 otto skorzeny
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if you are using 'Duck Dynasty" for support for an argument about anything-you have already lost.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:19 | 3191766 Cursive
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@otto skorenzy

That's the best you can do?  Everyone knows the "reality" show is scripted, but do you not get that French ancestory in Louisiana accounts for probably only 25% or less of the state?  Half the state population is of African origin.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:07 | 3191718 marathonman
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Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:10 | 3191740 otto skorzeny
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@ Catallus-who the fuck said I was from the NE or a WASP- more like your sterotypical southern inferiority complex showing through

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:34 | 3191786 Catullus
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Are your reading comprehension skills showing through: who the fuck said you're from the NE or a WASP?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:58 | 3191861 mess nonster
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Yep. A Frenchman named Weiss assassinated Huey Long for being a proponent of debt-free money. Frenchmen hate debt-free money.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:55 | 3191682 Cursive
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The construction was crap, but moderately better than Jimmy Swaggert's dorms (within a stone's throw) that laid unfinished for decades.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:01 | 3191697 Catullus
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Those things were great. I haven't been back since 2010. I don't even know if they're still up.

It was such a waste given that they could have been converted to a hotel easily.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:48 | 3192089 saints51
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They are still there. I just passed by them looking for some ammo hehe.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:44 | 3191620 fuu
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Got control?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:43 | 3191622 mayhem_korner
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Price floors: the nouveau "hidden tax".

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:45 | 3191627 ThisIsBob
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Louisiana, the land of six fingered look alikes.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:45 | 3191631 Mr Kurtz
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During the Great Depression of the 1930s, agricultural price support programs led to vast amounts of food being deliberately destroyed at a time when malnutrition was a serious problem in the United States and hunger marches were taking place in cities across the country. For example, the federal government bought 6 million hogs in 1933 alone and destroyed them. Huge amounts of farm produce were plowed under, in order to keep it off the market and maintain prices at the officially fixed level, and vast amounts of milk were poured down the sewers for the same reason. Meanwhile, many American children were suffering from diseases caused by malnutrition.

–Thomas Sowell, Basic Economics (3rd Edition, Basic Books, 2007), p. 56.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:25 | 3191782 ParkAveFlasher
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Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:48 | 3191640 reader2010
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"They Hate Our Freedom."

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:49 | 3191647 Cursive
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I live in Louisiana and this story is overblown.  This would be a news story if it existed in a vacuum.  But there are many more farm subsidies at issue here.  And there are many more non-competitive practices in the diary industry.

Besides, anyone every hear of "loss leaders"?  It's not as though Fresh Market was being charitable; they were expecting to profit on other items that were commenserately overpriced to make up for the loss on the milk.  Fresh Market's promotion is a sales gimmick.  The law was enacted, like many state laws regarding milk, to protect Louisiana farmers from cheaper imports from other states.  A Louisiana retailer is not suppossed to sell milk for less than cost plus 6%.  I honestly don't know how cost is determined because milk prices here vary by about $2.   As a consumer, I want to buy the highest quality milk at the cheapest cost.  The Louisiana law adding 6% to the "cost" is not the biggest issue.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 12:51 | 3191661 Chump
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So what if they're selling milk as a loss leader?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:00 | 3191692 MyBrothersKeeper
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Exactly!  There is no business that does not do this.  Go to Staples and buy a printer and you are getting it close to cost for MFG + small retail markup.  They make much more on the toner/ink refills. All advertising is manipulation in some form or another.  Hell the government is the worst one.: selling idol promises for votes and pandering for kickbacks like the 30B in pork in Sandy relief bill.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:06 | 3191716 Cursive
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It's a matter of scale.  I wouldn't waste my breath worrying about the Louisiana law when there are larger, more influentials laws that have a greater impact on milk prices nationwide.  It would make as much sense to focus on the Louisiana law as oppossed to the federally fund price supports as it would to argue that Republicans are better than Democrats.  Remove the farm subsidies, then let's talk.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:09 | 3191732 mayhem_korner
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Cursive - You are missing the point.  It's not about the price of milk.  It's about the inability of a market to operate without intervention.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:13 | 3191753 Cursive
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No, the point is that the entire farm industry is built on federal government regulation, bureaucracy and price controls, but the masses are easily distracted from the true issue by a story about one state law that affects, at most, 4 to 5 million people.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:29 | 3191790 mayhem_korner
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the point is that the entire farm industry is built on federal government regulation,


Let's be clear: NOTHING is "built...on federal government regulation"; government regulation constrains, reduces, and devalues - it builds NOTHING.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:43 | 3191839 Cursive
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I doubt that Monsanto, ADM or Conagra, to name just a few, would exist in their current and highly profitable forms if not for the protections provided by our federal government.  I understand and agree with your Smithian free market stand, but governments can run industries through a command economy.  I'm not advocating a command economy and we all understand that closed systems such as a command economy will eventually fail, as it did in Soviet Russia.  However, it is possible, even if inefficient, for a government to build an industry.

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 14:40 | 3192059 NotApplicable
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You need to go reread this thread with the realization that m_k is making the exact same argument as you.

Protip: Don't use the word "built" when you don't mean it.


Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:15 | 3191756 SmallerGovNow2
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Ding ding ding ding...  BINGO!!!

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:53 | 3191888 Matt
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Is it right for a large corporation to build stores all around a competitor, and sell goods at a loss in order to drive the competitor out of business? Then crank the prices up once they have a monopoly?

And before you get into garbage about people will go elsewhere, in many places there is only so much space for supermarkets, and people can only practically travel so far to get goods. Put another way, do you support the coal mining company store model?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:07 | 3192165 forwardho
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Seems to be the effect of the affordable health care act? No?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 15:22 | 3192231 Pants McPants
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HIGHLY recommend you research DOW Chemical's reaction to a German megacompany's attempt to bully DOW out of the market.

A good (short) summary available in the "Early History" section here:

On a larger scale, your first question is a false dichotomy because it ignores the many avenues available for business. 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 00:54 | 3193996 Matt
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With some goods, sure, if your competitor is selling at a loss, you can purchase the goods then sell them again. Or just keep buying them at the loss price to bleed them out, unless their pockets are much deeper than yours. Eventually you have to turn a profit.

One of the fast food places, I want to say McDonald's, tried to buy a guy out and he said no so they built something like 6 McDonald's each within a few blocks of his, and sold at a loss until he went broke. 

You cannot buy hamburgers and resell them. You cannot move a restaurant. What do you do?

Mon, 01/28/2013 - 13:18 | 3191763 Chump
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I'll echo mayhem above me.  Yes, it's all a problem, but this happens to be a perfect visual of the end result of progressive government interference and intervention in the market.  Debating and analyzing farm subsidies is not a conversation most people want to have, but it's a primal thing to be told your voluntary transaction is illegal due to a pen stroke from some faceless bureaucrat or committee decision.  You don't need to know which round of QE we're on to know that that is total horseshit.

I'm not worried about this story.  I'm not surprised by it in the slightest.

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