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Beijing Smog: Before And After Pictures

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We could tell readers' that earlier today, just like two weeks ago when Beijing was blanketed by the worst smog on record, the official reading of Beijing air quality moved from "hazardous (at a 24 hour exposure at this level)" to the laughable "Beyond Index" reading (which maybe means Beijing needs a bigger index)...

... or we could just show these two pictures of Beijing before and after the smog: both taken at the same time, at the same place, with the only difference being the latest onslaught of what is now becoming a weekly occurrence of the worst breathing conditions recorded in any industrialized country. 

 

For those who want to learn more, here is the SCMP:

Key index from US Embassy shoots above 350 and authorities maintain 'yellow' smog warning amid growing calls for action against pollutants.

 

Air pollution went from bad to worse in Beijing, after residents of the capital and surrounding areas again found themselves inundated in thick smog, leading to broader calls for a solution.

 

On Tuesday morning, the US embassy’s air quality index (AQI) reading for Beijing stood at 495 and “hazardous” at 11am, after having reached 517, or “beyond index”, at 6am.

 

The index rates anything over 150 as “unhealthy”, over 300 as “hazardous”, while a reading above the upper limit of 500 is regarded as “beyond index”.

 

Meanwhile, the Beijing Municipal Environmental Monitoring Centre gave the figure at 10am as 393, indicating the air in the capital was “severely polluted”.

 

The centre says pollution across Beijing is expected to persist because there is little wind to disperse pollutants. It advises city residents to stay indoors as much as possible.

 

Yesterday municipal weather authorities retained the "yellow" smog warning as visibility remained below 3,000 metres.

 

Air quality index readings in much of downtown Beijing, as measured by the local environmental watchdog and the US embassy, shot above 350 yesterday - a significant increase from Sunday.

 

The US embassy's air quality readings, published hourly on its Twitter feed, showed the level of PM2.5 rose drastically throughout the day to 496 at 4pm- far above the "hazardous" level of 300 micrograms per cubic metre.

 

The Beijing Municipal Environmental Centre, which is under the city's Environmental Protection Bureau, rated air quality in most of the city as being seriously polluted, as PM2.5 readings fluctuated between 340 and 360.

 

When the level of PM2.5 in the air surpasses 100, it is deemed unhealthy for people with heart or lung disease, older adults and children, and those groups should reduce prolonged or heavy exertion, particularly outdoors, according to advice given by the US Embassy.

 

The smog also appeared to have spread farther to southeastern regions, with flight disruptions being reported yesterday morning at 10 mainland airports, including in Hebei's Shijiazhuang and Henan's Zhengzhou .

 

Visibility at the Shijiazhuang airport was reduced to around 100 metres, forcing the cancellation of at least seven flights, and in Zhengzhou more than 10,000 passengers were stranded by 11.30am, as up to 150 flights were either cancelled or delayed, China National Radio reports.

The good news for China is that unlike Japan it will not have to worry about such a petty concern as an aging population: all it needs to do is tell the plebs that the air is good and everyone should enjoy the lovely yellow day and poof: there go a few trillion in underfunded future pensions and entitlement benefits.

 

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Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:02 | 3194735 buzzsaw99
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Good. Let it hang over China instead of dispersing it to the world.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:10 | 3194759 idea_hamster
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"[All China] needs to do is tell the plebs that the air is good and everyone should enjoy the lovely yellow day and poof: there go a few trillion in underfunded future pensions and entitlement benefits."

What?! Mislead the people about air quality?  What a horriffic idea.  I'm sure only a dreadful Communist regime would do such a thing.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:11 | 3194775 trav777
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Now, THIS is miserable

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:56 | 3194957 true brain
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All is as planned. Chincom new propaganda: "T'is better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven. "

But then again, this also applies to Spain, Greek, Italy, and the US of No-longer-America.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:01 | 3194980 SafelyGraze
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time to redefine "hazardous"

 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:34 | 3195101 Richard Chesler
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MADE IN *cough* CHINA *cough*

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:35 | 3195107 Boris Alatovkrap
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Is make Chernobyl to look pleasantly. Maybe new species is evolve in Beijing, too!?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 13:45 | 3195339 Bananamerican
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Broad-shouldered, unregulated, free market, crony capitalism....
YEE HAWWWW!
Money for nuthin and chinks for free....

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:26 | 3195496 Pure Evil
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Maybe they can make a new chinese dish from all the yellow sputnam being hacked up the locals.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 18:12 | 3196497 BTFDemocracy
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The air quality at Chernobyl is likely way more healthy today than in Beijing.

I bet if you got a choice of running laps around the reactor/powerplant all day, or run around those pictured buildings in Beijing... you'd be glad to be in Chernobyl.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:15 | 3194790 malikai
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"When the emperor passes, the wise peasant bows deeply and silently farts."

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:56 | 3194964 Big Slick
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Silent but deadly

(BTW, we're more polite in my family and call them 'Geithners' or 'Quantitative easing')

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 13:24 | 3195267 thisandthat
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Why can't I vote on this comment alone?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:25 | 3195488 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Because the post starts with a quote.

 

Using Firefox,

mark the area around the up/down arrows. Right click for "view source".  Copy the up/down link, the 'a href="/long/text/value"'

Paste the link after www.zerohedge.com and you voted.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 00:45 | 3197793 thisandthat
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Seems over complicated for a simple vote, but thanks anyway - have an upvote yourself!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:29 | 3195510 blu
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The "indent" format posters like to use to pull quotes breaks the up arrow.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 00:47 | 3197802 thisandthat
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Yeah, plenty code seems broken with zh: strike trough text, url entry form, typing after quoting, this voting thing, tracking comments/replies - heck you can't even use https!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 13:29 | 3195283 jayman21
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+1 for the link.  Up arrow is broke.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:35 | 3194888 williambanzai7
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BEIJING PM 2.5-755

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:37 | 3194901 ParkAveFlasher
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lmao ... perfect illustration for this article.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:29 | 3195071 I am more equal...
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Recently got back from Chongqing and its actually worse there.  Stayed in the financial district and never saw the sun for four days.  Went under the mountains to the west, clear and sunny. 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:49 | 3194931 SilverDOG
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buzzsaw99

 

 

 

Unless you are in the southern hemisphere, you are breathing it as well. 

 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:06 | 3194997 buzzsaw99
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My point exactly.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:28 | 3195069 rotagen
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Sign found on Chinglish web site:  "NO SMORKING"

... government hates competition?

 

 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:03 | 3194740 Dr. Engali
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Long air respirators.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:09 | 3194768 ParkAveFlasher
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Now, does the Kyoto Protocol take into account the price of PGMs used up in industrial catalyzation of exhaust gases from fossil fuel combustion?  I think I see some kind of association here.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:27 | 3195063 Kayman
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What a great opportunity for Al Gore to take his Arab money and clean up the air in his pal Bill's donation central.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:31 | 3194874 Hobbleknee
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I'm not saying the air quality is good there, but that looks more like fog than smog to me.  Smog is usually more brown.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:53 | 3194937 Big Slick
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Smog may look brown from a distance, but at close range it looks like dark fog (like in the photos).  GoogleImage 'smog' and you'll see what I mean.  I would love to see pictures of Beijing taken from afar.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:04 | 3194990 geotrader
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Been there and witnessed it.  The photos are very accurate.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:31 | 3195521 Pure Evil
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Maybe they could start a new fad in America. Bottle the smog in little glass/plastic vials and sell it to the idiots in this country. Sorta like a pet rock, you could be the first on your block to be the proud owner of Beijing Smog.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:34 | 3195532 blu
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I don't know why they are calling it "smog" since it is mostly fine particulates from exhaust and smoke stacks. Fairly lethal actually once you breathe enough of it.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:59 | 3194972 Agent P
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Short Chinese people...well, on average at least.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:03 | 3194742 A Lunatic
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It's called an inversion, and they are quite common, especially in winter months.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:11 | 3194773 malikai
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In Beijing it's usually caused by a High. The mountains to the west trap and cause inversion-like behavior though. Stagnant air, little to no wind at ground level and up to a couple thousand feet, etc.

I'm in Beijing right now and it sucks. I got some pictures too. They're horrible.

The interesting thing about all this is that unlike large cities in the US, where you have 2GW plants 20mi outside the city, here in BJ, you have a couple dozen 500MW plants right smack dab in the city. Meanwhile, there's practically no heavy industry in and around Beijing, so you can't blame it on steel mills.

The city is damned by geography, when it comes right down to it.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:18 | 3194807 BobPaulson
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In Beijing you can also smell that coal smell I remember as a kid in the old industrial heartlands of North American and Europe. I had forgotten what that smells like until I went there. It comes from the sulphur and particulates typical in old style coal combustion.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:23 | 3194836 EscapeKey
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It's the SMELL OF PROGRESS!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:34 | 3195102 Shitters_Full
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FORWARD is an anagram of CLEAN COAL.  Try to deny it and J-Nap and I will introduce you to our shiny new Personal Defense Weapons, bitchez.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:25 | 3194847 malikai
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It's true. It smells like styrene to me for some reason - probably because of the time I spent in Houston some time ago.

I've been thinking about the lack of scrubbers issue around here and I'm not sure how they would deal with it. If you use a scrubber, you need a large bit of space for your ash settling pond, which there is none of around here with these plants in the middle of the city. And even if you have an ash pond, you still have the issue of what to do with the ash once it's "dry". Even back home we're not so good at dealing with fly ash as shown with what happened at that TVA plant on the emory river in 2010.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:04 | 3195402 WillyGroper
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I thot they spread it on golf courses.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:37 | 3195548 blu
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The Chinese make breakfast cereal and pet food out of it.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:19 | 3194821 imapopulistnow
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In Beijing it's usually caused by a High.

Must be smok'in some serious weed....

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 15:54 | 3195925 TheFourthStooge-ing
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imapopulistnow said:

In Beijing it's usually caused by a High.

Must be smok'in some serious weed....

...or AnAnonymous is tokin' up bigtime at the Peoples Liberation Opium Parlour.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:23 | 3194835 CheapBastard
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Same with Tuscon, Arizona and Phoenix. I used to wonder why people were movng there "for their arthritis" since that's not deadly, only painful. The serious pollution in Phoenix and Tuscon is deadly...well a slow dirty death:

 

Metropolitan Tucson is surrounded by mountains, predisposing the area to frequent temperature inversions.  During this time the valley fills with colder air containing higher concentrations of air pollutants, as compared with mountain slopes above the temperature inversion layer.  Air pollution in Maricopa County (which includes Phoenix) is considerably higher than that in Tucson. 

 

http://allergy.peds.arizona.edu/southwest/airpollution.html

 

There are many more polluted cities in the Southwest that formerly were "clean." Austin and Dallas are two good examples of medium sized cities that now have "pollution alerts" ...more due to crowding, congestion and auto traffic then inversionI don't think a shortage of food will be out problem in the  future (a la Malthus). I think it's going to be pollution--radiation, pesticide saturated foods, filthy air, etc. as someone on ZH wrote the other day.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:38 | 3194903 Curt W
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Salt Lake City is probably the worst for getting prolonged inversions.

My brother has not seen the sun in 20 days, last tuesday the high was 22 and the low was 19.   The inversion is so thick there is no warming during the day or cooling at night.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:41 | 3194914 aerojet
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If you're in your 60s or 70s, the arthritis factor is a lot more important than the slow death by pollution factor.  You're not going to live long enough to be affected by the pollution if you're already that old!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:41 | 3195568 blu
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Pollution makes all the other health issues a lot worse. There is some evidence that particulate pollution from diesel and cigarettes can cause arthritis.

Just one such summary:

http://public.ukcrn.org.uk/search/StudyDetail.aspx?StudyID=12545

There are many more. But nobody cares, you can still drive with either arthritis or cancer.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 16:59 | 3196181 Jena
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It's the overall inflammatory factor.  Control the inflammation, reduce chronic reactionary conditions.  Particulate matter causes the body to respond with inflammation.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:54 | 3194954 a growing concern
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Denver's pretty bad too. Straight from the airport you're greeted by a nice brown cloud hanging over the city in the distance. One can only hope that NWO types have severe respiratory difficulties.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:03 | 3194986 Jayacts
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In LA, we've nearly lost all our blue skies. After a good rain, the planes come out to spray and within a two days, we are just sitting in a grey cloud.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 13:29 | 3195279 dirtbagger
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Still worse than even the LA of the 70's.  I don't know about Bejing, but several times in Shanghai it has felt like a mild dose of tear gas to the eyes and the throat feels like drinking shot glasses of acid.   As an ex-smoker who still likes the smell of cigarette smoke, not a wuss about a little pollution.  The air can be really nasty in China.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 13:32 | 3195300 dirtbagger
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pardon the bold - new keyboard

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:18 | 3194810 waterwitch
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And all this time I thought China was undergoing massive inflation?!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:04 | 3194745 Cognitive Dissonance
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This is what we get when we pee in the pool.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:19 | 3194816 Looney
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What are you talking about? I just peed in my neighbor's pool and there ain't no smog.

I should've taken a dump, though...   ;-)

Looney

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:31 | 3194991 Agent P
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I was banned from the public pool when I was 12 for peeing in the pool.  When I pointed out to the lifeguard that everyone pees in the pool, he pointed out that not everyone does it from the high dive.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:57 | 3195184 Buckaroo Banzai
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Awesome. Thanks for making me laugh.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:44 | 3195575 blu
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But but ... industrialization made me do it! How else was I supposed to make a ton of money?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:04 | 3194748 Byte Me
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Can't see the bodies in the "after" piccie

(too much smog)

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:44 | 3194922 malikai
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You can't see anyone in the after picture because Beijing is emptying out right now. The Chinese New Year is just around the corner and most of the migrant workers are on their way back to the countryside right now. This is actually the best time of the year (fog/smog notwithstanding) to be here because it's quiet. Over the course of the next week, the city will lose some 5+ million people, auto traffic will collapse, and emitted polutants in total will drop notably.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:24 | 3195053 walküre
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open a spa!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:05 | 3194749 bigbwana
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The compelling doc THRIVE (Google) exposes the corrupt bankers and those who seek to enslave us with their NWO. Foster Gamble, heir to Proctor/Gamble, strikes a wondrous blow for humanity. Pass the link. Time to go viral. Time to halt those who would rule us with an iron fist. We CAN do it! 

http://www.thrivemovement.com/home

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:15 | 3194787 Ralph Spoilsport
Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:59 | 3194968 bigbwana
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That would be the Illuminati doing the debunking, au naturelle. Never heard of them? The monsters who want to enslave us wilt a NWO. The very same behind 9/11, et al. Wake up my friend.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:29 | 3195074 walküre
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someone spent an enormous amount of time "debunking" global conspiracy? what's their motivation?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:44 | 3197495 Totentänzerlied
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Check the site out for 5 minutes, they certainly did spend "an enormous amount of time". Perhaps 5 minutes. I've never heard of "Thrive" and make no claims about its, but that blog is totally full of shit, one factual or logical error after another, like most "debunking" sites.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:19 | 3194822 redpill
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I figured that tinfoil crap would have faded away by now.  Not everything is a vast global conspiracy.  In fact few things are because by and large these "powers that be" are not brilliant masterminds, but rather petty megalomaniacs that seek their goals using the most simple ways they can.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:26 | 3194837 BobPaulson
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Agreed. Most human suffering is due to our limitations, not due to our capabilities as diabolical organizational masterminds.

Perhaps we are just troll feeding. If so, apologies.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:28 | 3194851 Ralph Spoilsport
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It's fading away because people stopped sending them money for a DVD you can watch for free on youtube. It's still a mishmash of every conspiracy theory they could find crammed into a poorly edited not-ready-for-prime-time "documentary".

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:57 | 3194961 Ignatius
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"Thrive" debunked itself, or is this what passes for an intellectual exercise these days?

Any comment on the absolute free fall acceleration for 2.25 seconds of WTC 7?

These last several comments starting with bigbwana's praise of 'Thrive' look like a strawman set up and shot down with our favorite (well, it's my favorite) 'incompetance theory' thrown in.  Why think about extremely poweful forces who might get together and pursue their own interests?  Kinda hurts to think about, huh...  Problem is that there's a very storied history of exactly that type of behavior.

 

 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:15 | 3195029 bigbwana
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Brilliant observation. In the basement of WTC 7 were hundreds of tons of gold. Last seen being hauled away in the middle of a very Dark night. Another greedy Illuminati heist.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:30 | 3195077 Ignatius
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Meds?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:48 | 3195590 blu
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free fall acceleration for 2.25 seconds of WTC 7?

Yes the NWO are perfecting gravity manipulators. We are certainly doomed.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:01 | 3194978 bigbwana
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Comparing a small budget, to one the size of the Illuminati, is a chap shot. This documentary exposes the Truth.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:42 | 3195133 Ignatius
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"Illuminati" describes nothing.

There are excellent videos and lectures describing who the powerful are and what they are up to, but 'Thrive' ani't one of those videos.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:50 | 3195598 blu
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The guys constantly pushing the Illuminati to the front of the line all the time are just trying to push Goldman Sachs to the back by proxy.

The real oligarchs, they stay to the shadows. You still haven't learned their actual names or agendas, nor will you. Ever.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:18 | 3194998 collon88
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So Davos and Bohemian Grove are just fronts for Boy Scout meetings?  And all this time I thought...

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:28 | 3195058 Ghordius
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Davos? It's just a networking orgy where those who are paid to go there fawn over those who are invited

and of course all those who aren't there have something to hate, if they wish so

I remember when Dr. Schwab still called it "European Management Symposium", and politicians were not invited yet

at it's beginnings it was all about management models, european integration, etc. etc.

btw, the WEF foundation still produces the Global Competitiveness Report you might have read, from time to time

seriously, they should never have invited politicians, but at the beginning it sounded like a good idea, and now it's deeply entrenched

------

nope, can't compare the WEF with the Bohemian Grove. The latter is about fun, I hear

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:31 | 3195086 walküre
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the fact that the world's political and financial elite is meeting all in one place at the same time is well, how should I say .. very convenient?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:48 | 3195160 Ghordius
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yeah, and the mandatory EU's Council meetings are not called so by some media except as "emergency european summit(s)"

politicians meet. and talk. that's their job. we had times when they refused to meet, and war was a distinct possibility

what do you want, a restriction on movement on politicians? what's next? clappers, like in Gulliver's story?

of course it's convenient, but what exactly is your point? that they should not meet anybody except those on a list made by referendum?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 13:34 | 3195305 jayman21
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Fish, Barrel.....

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:52 | 3195602 blu
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Very important for their masters, yes. Can't have anyone looking behind the curtain, so send out the clowns.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 13:35 | 3195308 collon88
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As for "fun", how much business gets done during a round of golf or lunch.  You might check out the article "The Trading Room, It's not a Gentlemen's Game".   

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:33 | 3195096 Kayman
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Petty criminals all. Including Mayer Bernanske.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:05 | 3194750 Zola
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With a cool trillion dollars, it would be EASY to build a BIODOME above Beijing and mandate only electric cars or public transport. For a top down regime like the Chinese, this should actually be pretty easy to implement...

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:10 | 3194769 CrimsonAvenger
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I'll only get behind this if Pauly Shore is involved.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:16 | 3194799 toady
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Or the Simpsons

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:21 | 3194830 imapopulistnow
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Or Al Gore

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:45 | 3194925 FrankDrakman
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Didn't Robert Heinlein propose a solution for this, years ago? Really tall towers that puncture the inversion, and have turbines inside, so that as the cold air rushes down the tube, it creates electricity. Problem solved! Let's get T. Boone Pickens on it..

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:53 | 3195612 blu
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You could mandate the electric cars and stop there; the pollution in question is all locally generated, there is nothing outside for a dome to keep away.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:50 | 3197506 Totentänzerlied
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I have wondered why they don't install some air-scrubber/sequestration stations - even if they are totally inoperative or ineffective - just to be able to say look "look, we're working on it".

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:04 | 3194751 Inthemix96
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Thats just the steam off the curb shitting 'Citezenisms' before bed time folks.

Fuck all to worry about as our Anonymouse friend will tell us.

Its probably "Americanists" fault anyways.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:04 | 3194752 Sudden Debt
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WINERS!!! IT'S STILL GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM!

DON'T BE YELLOW AND GO OUTSIDE!!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:07 | 3194754 Shizzmoney
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On the good side, at least when the air turns yellow, the people of China will fit right in.

 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:17 | 3194797 Sudden Debt
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Like midnight in Africa... yep... it makes it dangerous to drive your car over there when the lights aren't working properly...

 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:07 | 3194753 Downtoolong
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Never saw it coming, and can't see f#$^king anything now.

Sounds familiar.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:55 | 3195618 blu
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Sums up 3,000 years of human failure.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:06 | 3194755 Dr. Engali
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Anybody see AnAnonymous in that mess?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:11 | 3194776 Toolshed
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Perhaps he has been called home and the smog is a result of his endless supply of hot smelly air.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 16:07 | 3195971 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Toolshed said:

Perhaps he has been called home and the smog is a result of his endless supply of hot smelly air.

You may not be too far off the mark. Our resident parangong of Chinese citizenism has been blobbing up his business around Beijing. He's recently opened several dozen locations of the new popular Chinese citizenism fast food franchise, JKC (Just Killed Cat). They deliberately vent the smoke from the woks into the street to attract customers with the enticing aroma.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:07 | 3194757 Aegelis
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Smog in Detroit/L.A.?  Move manufacturing to Japan.  Smog in Japan?  Move manufacturing to China.  Smog in China?  Move manufacturing to India.  Smog in India?  Move to next low-wage er... cost efficient deveolping country.  Ever wonder why NASA is looking for life on other planets?  Ours only has a few more decades of tolerant workers.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:29 | 3194862 Spastica Rex
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We just need a big planet full of extra-terrestrial Indians to... civilize.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:32 | 3195092 walküre
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Africa! That's why the Chinese are building ghost cities in Angola!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 13:23 | 3195265 Matt
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That's for Operation "Send all the single men under 45 to Africa", I think.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:08 | 3194760 myptofvu
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I remember a day in LA in 1980 when I was working outside during a smog alert. I was working up on a hill that placed me much higher than street level and closer to the smog. By three oclock in the afternoon your chest literally hurt and you could have mistaken it for a heart attack. Those conditions that day did not lok nearly as bad as what these pictures in China reveal.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:04 | 3194794 dogbreath
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I was told alot of beijing industry was moved away from beijing for the olympics.  The weather pattern affecting beijing is the same as L.A. -  temperature inversion.  

Its a big and generally  clean city for having 20 million people.  The late summer the weather is like the picture on the left with clear clean skys.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:27 | 3194861 toady
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Doctors used to recommended Phoenix to people with respiratory issues until about twenty years ago.

Now all the LA smog blows over here and the population has doubled. There are high pollution warnings, no burn days, course particulate warnings, you name it, Phoenix has it.

Even when no warnings are announced there is always a faint gas station smell everywhere in the metro area.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:58 | 3195635 blu
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LA loves you baby.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 16:03 | 3195958 Jena
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It's not just smog coming from LA that is an issue for people in Phoenix and surrounding areas.  Cases of Valley Fever (Coccidioidomycosis) have been increasing in the last few years, up to a reported 16,472 in Arizona alone.  It is endemic in the desert southwest but the dust storms in the Phoenix area sort of make it most dramatic there.

The dust storms kick up spores that are buried in the desert sand which then get inhaled; people often don't know they are sick because many infections resemble the flu.  Those who are older, with an impaired immune system or new to the area (who don't have antibodies to the fungus) are most likely to get more sick.  Serious infections can settle in the lungs and neurological infilatrations are often fatal.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/health/article_2a793584-f303-11e1...

http://phoenix.about.com/cs/health/a/valleyfever01.htm

 

 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:08 | 3194764 Killer the Buzzard
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Just keep making the iCrap please.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:08 | 3194767 LynRobison
Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:10 | 3194770 John Law Lives
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"The good news for China is that unlike Japan it will not have to worry about such a petty concern as an aging population: all it needs to do is tell the plebs that the air is good and everyone should enjoy the lovely yellow day and poof: there go a few trillion in underfunded future pensions and entitlement benefits."

If the American version of "Chinese food" ever took hold there, that would have a similar effect.  A heaping plate of chicken fried rice with a fried egg roll and a side of wontons could do it...

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:11 | 3194774 FLUSA.com
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China should ramp up production of Chemotherapy

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:11 | 3194777 azengrcat
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GDP is a helluva a drug

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:11 | 3194778 IEVI
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Funky shit goin' down in the city.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:11 | 3194780 supafuckinmingster
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A weather report on Zerohedge. What fucking nex I ask you?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:12 | 3194784 CheapBastard
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This problem is nothing to sneeze at !

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:15 | 3194788 ptoemmes
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Probably makes it a bit harder for our spy sats - and drones - to see what is going on.

 

 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:17 | 3194801 Dr. Engali
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Grammy....tell me again what stars look like.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:19 | 3194808 firstdivision
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I fail to see an issue here.

-1952 London

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:32 | 3194813 Aurora Ex Machina
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Some great images, some even in colour, of the London smog of the 1950's, here. (Includes a video as well). Well worth looking over.

Or currently in Greece? Interestingly, there seems to be a total white-out of actual pictures for the Greek wood fire smog stories, so a hidden easter egg for anyone who actually follows all my links: more Greek smog.

Birmingham, Alabama, 1970's just before the Clean Air act. Petro-chemical plant, USA, 1970's. PFI coal, 1970's.

 

At least the Chinese are now putting out warnings (admittedly due to the US taking the piss). It's fixable, and the USA was as bad in the 1970's, which is hardly a lifetime away; the dioxins & heavy metals are much more worrying, but at the very least, they don't have to deal with leaded petrol issues. Link between lead in petrol and violence / low IQ in society.

 

 

Anyhow, apologies, let the snark continue.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:52 | 3194942 Vlad Tepid
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Pollution in former Bloc countries and PRC are an order of magnitude worse than any western country have EVER been. Yeah, London was bad when Mary Poppins was tooling around...and there were no petrochemicals, heavy industrial wastes, and cars...just coal fired plants and city chimneys.

However, apologies, let the "everybody does it" meme roll on.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:50 | 3195121 Aurora Ex Machina
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I'm not "pro" environmental degredation, and I'd agree that the CCCP record is terrible. Vast lakes that are so contaminated with heavy metals / dioxins / radioactive byproduct that nothing will grow. However, at some point, you've got to acknowledge that the West is as clean as it is because it out-sourced a lot of its pollution. And still does, athough people seem to be happy to be making up ground with fracking.

You've also got to acknowledge that the constant stale-mate between North / South [Western economies / BRICs & others] over who is responsible for clean-up and who is going to stop polluting is never going to work if historical outputs aren't considered. We've already had 20+ years of that tune, and the USA has made barely any inroads into lessening consumption levels. Where the USA is still using x2 of say, Germany.

 

The bottom line is that if the USA doesn't change, no-one will. The Chinese at least attempted to "do their part" by slowing birth rates ~ what the hell has the USA done? At this point, we all know the issues (barring the dumb or delusional), and we're still in the land of "maybe we can do the same thing".

Table. (Ugh - tables don't auto-format)

 

The message is clear.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Tue, 01/29/2013 - 13:49 | 3195351 zapdude
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"The Chinese at least attempted to "do their part" by slowing birth rates ~ what the hell has the USA done?"

The US has murdered 30 + million babies through infanticide alone in the last 30 years.  It is in the hundreds of millions for the Chinese.  And you consider this to be progress -- steps in the right direction?  What horrible logic.  If you're so concerned with over-population, perhaps you should set an example and start with yourself first.

Do not confuse irresponsible industrial growth with population growth.  Or perhaps you agree with the Georgia Guidestones and thought Zero Hedge was the appropriate place to spew your Mother Jones ideas.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:39 | 3195434 Aurora Ex Machina
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Before we start this:

When you state "The US has murdered 30 + million babies through infanticide alone in the last 30 years", are you referencing deaths-through-military action, or abortion? The Chinese state certainly didn't murder 100,000,000 children in its One-Child policy, although there were certainly cases of enforced abortions past what we in the West would consider acceptable terms (previously, due to starvation / famines? 40+ million dying in the early famines is certainly documented). Here's a tip - the figure of 250-400 (official) or 100 (independent) million births is births avoided that would (statistically) otherwise have happened. If you think China has done 100,000,000 actual abortions, you've massive conceptual issues.

 

If it's the former, game on; if it's the latter, I've no interest in discussing Religious Doctrine with fanatics. i.e. If you're attempting to label an abortion = murder, then this conversation ends, or at least will probably end up more scientific than you can handle, especially if you're so limited you actually believe that 100+ million actual physical abortions took place.

 

As Hasketh, Lu, and Xing observe: "[T]he policy itself is probably only partially responsible for the reduction in the total fertility rate. The most dramatic decrease in the rate actually occurred before the policy was imposed. Between 1970 and 1979, the largely voluntary "late, long, few" policy, which called for later childbearing, greater spacing between children, and fewer children, had already resulted in a halving of the total fertility rate, from 5.9 to 2.9. After the one-child policy was introduced, there was a more gradual fall in the rate until 1995, and it has more or less stabilized at approximately 1.7 since then." These researchers note further that China could have expected a continued reduction in its fertility rate just from continued economic development, had it kept to the previous policy. [wiki]

p.s.

Population growth and industrial growth are intrinsically linked; it's impossible to raise GDP if your country is starving to death. Cyclical famines in China have been documented well before Communism came along, and blaming the single famine they have had (where, yes, 20-40 million people died) on their political system is total balls; it might have not helped, but it certainly wasn't the sole cause. That they then attempted to prevent such famines happening again is actually a positive step, even if you disagree with their methodology (although, see above: raising GDP & industrialisation had already dropped the rate from 5.9 > 2.9).

 

tl;dr

China, from the end of WWII to today, raised >500,000,000 people out of poverty. The USA made 70% of their population obese, and has poverty & health levels unheard of in other Western Democracies. Has China got massive issues? For sure; however, the USA, using kw/capita eight times higher than China, with a third of the population, has them too.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:40 | 3195563 zapdude
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Yes, infanticide = abortion.  'Fetus' is Latin for child.

In 2008 alone, over 13 million forced abortions were done in China -- and that's only what they reported or admitted.  You only need 8 years for this to occur to get 100 million, and their one-child policy has been in place for 30 years.  Doesn't seem like a mathematical stretch to me at all.

My point is if you want to address industrial pollution, mismanagement of water resources, or robust food distribution, etc, then fix THOSE problems.  Don't knee-jerk react and just assume we need to kill more babies. 

We should all be thankful our mothers didn't have your dreadful logic.  It doesn't take any religion to acknowledge that point, unless you hate your life.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 15:26 | 3195705 Aurora Ex Machina
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Your source for 13 million abortions is the Burlington Free Press, which is leading today as its top story that someone assaulted a horse. (Go read the wiki, it's footnote 4: Report: China aborts 13 million babies a year". Burlington, Vermont: Burlington Free Press. 31 July 2009. pp. 2A.)

The birth rate of China (circa 2008) is 13.71 / 1000 people, meaning (roughly), there were 18million births in China in 2008 (although, that's using the 2012 census totals, so the actual figure would be less). So, essentially, your claim is that out of total pregnancies in 2008, an additional 40% were aborted. (18 mil vrs 13 mil). And your source is a local paper from the deep of beyond in America.

This is fucking loony bat-shit nonsense.

 In 2007, according to a spokesperson of the Committee on the One-Child Policy, approximately 35.9% of China's population was subject to a one-child restriction.[source] So, for your claim to be true, 35.9% of the population must be responsible for more than 13 million abortions? Or, put another way, every time there was a pregnancy in that 35.9%, they'd have an abortion, and no-one had children that year? Good luck with trying to make those statistics work there.

These graphics, actually based on Chinese data (although, admittedly, China + data is always a bit dodgy), clearly shows that even in 2003 (before the recent changes to the policy loosening it, which occurred in 2007) only roughly ~ 30% of provinces reported abortion levels between 30 - 49.9%. All the others had lower rates.

And this is bearing in mind that abortion is legal, and there's no data on what % of these are requested, and which are enforced. Given that China enforces a monetary penalty on second children (read the damn wiki), I'd imagine that some of those abortions were voluntary; not to mention the # of women deciding for themselves  to have them (which, does indeed happen).

 

Now, will there be cases where abortion is not desired? Yes. Then again, given the economic penalties, and the general inefficiency and non-developed nature of some provinces, even an attack piece such as this:

Although the one-child policy is no longer strictly enforced in many rural areas, officials in Guangdong issued the edict after census officials revealed that the average family in Huaiji has five or more children.

Many of the terminations will have to be conducted forcibly on peasant women to meet the quota. As part of the campaign, county officials are buying expensive ultrasound equipment that can be carried to remote villages by car.

Demographers believe that China has one of the highest rates of abortion in the world, with estimates running at up to 80 terminations for each 1,000 live births. In Western Europe, the figure is just 10 abortions per 1,000 births. [Telegraph 2001]

I've bolded you the important bits; bear in mind, this is from 2001. With that average of 5 or more children, doesn't look like the policy was implemented, at all... after all, it'll take anyone 4+ years just to have those sprogs, and an 8:1 ratio (when we're looking at a birth rate of 2.9 vrs 2.1) is not a factor of millions. Do the math. 18 million actual births, 80/1000 ratio terminations: births.

 

Oh, looks like we don't have 13 million at all.

 

 

For the record, I've not once stated that I'm in favour of this measure - and I even linked you to a quote showing how it was largely redundant when GDP is raised - but (and here's the important bit), I have no input on the policy, and cannot change it. I can, however, assess the benefits as well as the negatives to it.

 

 

Oh, and lastly: abortion =/= murder, your Religious views are insane; but as I've stated, I've no desire to discuss that part.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 15:33 | 3195827 zapdude
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My source is from the Chinese themselves, not a VT newspaper.  Pathetic strawman attempt.


More than 13 million abortions a year – or 1,500 an hour – are carried out in China, data from a government think tank has shown, and a major factor behind the number of unwanted pregnancies is that many young people don't know how to use contraceptives properly.


The figure, from the State Family Planning Commission's Science and Technology Research Institute, is all the more remarkable when you consider that the One Child Policy of population control has been in place for more than three decades, and a central plank of that policy is contraception. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-says-ignorance-of-safe-sex-to-blame-for-13-million-abortions-a-year-8218939.html

You keep stating you don't want to discuss the moral implications of cold-blooded murder of tens of millions of babies every year, but you call MY views insane?  Not once have I inserted religion into this debate - that was you, twice.  I am merely stating the stark, awful truth unapologetically, and you take offense and call my views insane. 

How you treat and view the defenseless and the weak is your true nature, and I believe now that yours is plain to see for all.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 15:51 | 3195866 Aurora Ex Machina
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They're not babies, stop using emotional language: they're bundle of cells. That shows your bias. That I can see through your rather feeble rhetorical devices is a measure of your sophistication, not my evil heart of darkness.

 

Anyhow, to the Independent story - it's bollocks. Badly researched bollocks. Here's an English language report of where that piece came from and the ACTUAL NUMBERS (contains scans of Chinese source for verification]:

The front of the City Lady (????), a national newspaper focused on women’s issues, today makes the startling claim that most Chinese women don’t really know how to use contraception. Based on what it describes as the findings of a new investigation (the details of which are sadly lacking), the 1.3 million annual abortions in China could be substantially reduced if women had better knowledge of contraceptives and used them consistently. 

City Lady laments that although yesterday was world contraception day, the findings of a new study have shown that public knowledge of contraception in China is low. In particular, the following are some of the most startling findings:

  • Only 12% of young Chinese people have high knowledge of contraception (????????)
  • Oral contraceptives with effectiveness of short duration are used by only 1.2% of women
  • 68.3% of Chinese women believe that oral contraceptives are “emergency contraceptives”
  • 68.4% of Chinese women overestimate the rate of effectiveness of emergency contraceptives

 

The study also found that of the around 1.3 million abortions in China every year, about 50% are repeat abortions...

According to Wu Shangchun (???) of the National Population and Family Planning Commission of the Science and Technology Institute (??????????????), most of the women make two common mistakes with contraceptives: they push their luck and they want to keep things too simple.[source]

The Independent mistyped or misread 1.3 million as 13 million. And guess what? My math above (80/1000 > 18,000,000) is roughly in line with 1.3 million abortions. Yay, science & math wins!

 

 

Want to take your unscientific claims of 13 million abortions back yet? Might be an idea.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 15:52 | 3195915 zapdude
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You will get no apology from me, you pro-baby-murder supporter.

Yeah, and all of the multitude of sources that reported on the think tank's study and the 13 million figure from 2008 all made the same transpositional error by a factor of 10?  Right.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/one-child-policy-abortions-in-china-most-are-forced-21819.html

I will always pounce on Malthusian views whenever they pop up on ZH.  Fight club 'n all.

You are right about one thing however: this debate is over.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 17:00 | 3196092 Aurora Ex Machina
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The Epoch Times is a multi-language, international media organisation. As a newspaper, the Times has been publishing in Chinese since May 2000. It was founded in 1999 by supporters and practitioners of the Falun Gong spiritual discipline.

Niiiiiiice source there. Ahem.

Anyhow, let's use the BBC's 2009 report claiming 13 million, which you should have done 3 posts prior to this:

An official from China's National Population and Family Planning Commission told the newspaper that most sex education was directed at married couples.

Another official at the commission said the figure of 13 million was based on its own research and on information gathered from hospitals over the last few years.

Although the number is high, China's abortion rate of 24 per 1,000 woman of childbearing age, as the rate is usually calculated, is far from the top of the international list.
According to UN figures, Russia is highest with more than 50. The US has 15 and Spain just under 12.

Much easier if we cite sources now, isn't it? I have to admit however, I cannot see how they (mathematically) reached their totals. Their birth rate is 13.71 / 1000 [2012], their population is ~1,344 million and this report lists a 24 / 1000 termination:women ratio, compared to 18.2 for the UK and 15 for America. Please note again: these are not all enforced abortions, no-one is claiming that outside of the insanity of the Falun Gong & the Christian Evangelicals. 

Wait, so, let's get this correct: with these policies, China has slightly higher rates of abortions than the EU? And half that of Russia? What a waste of money that policy was...

For the record, I'm more than happy to accept that it wasn't 1.3 million, I'll have to track down the sources the BBC are using. I suspect that it's because they're using abortions / 1000 women, and not /1000 births, which is what the Telegraph piece listed ~ I'm perfectly willing to accept that I used the back-of-the-napkin figures from the Telegraph incorrectly. Hmm, yep: 1.344mil * 0.4 * 24 = 13 mil pretty much. Strange that another source would back up my initial maths so correctly.

Anyhow: formal apology. Telegraph lead me astray to the tune of a factor of 10, as did another website, it was I that was wrong!

Things we've learnt:

1) Never trust wiki sources

2) Never trust MSM sources

3) Do your own math, revise it when you get better data

4) Don't get cocky, kid

Ahh, but all of this wasn't about the numbers, really. That Epoch Times citation was pure... irony, and at least you were eventually a little bit honest about your ideological bias. "pro baby murder supporter"; oh dear. I've always wondered about abortion vrs poverty, disease and war in the Christian Religion. I then worked it out: you only care about the souls, and increasing that number, and damn the suffering in this world (and in many cases, help it along a little).

That's not really how the entire soul deal works, you know. It's more like growing a garden, not so much the pre-paid package holiday assured trip from day 1. And, it's subject to pruning; probably a bad time to mention that some people really don't have one. That includes all those Catholic Priests who strayed, sadly. If we're going all Religious, Hell is the absence of a soul, not some roasty BBQ involving a caricature with pointy horns. Thus the mumbo-jumbo about "I'll steal your soul"...

Bundles of cells? These are just potentialities - it's the environment & society that transforms the mammal into the homo sapien. Or gives them a "soul"; hint ~ empathy is a big deal in the soul world, and hating people for killing bundles of cells is withering your vine.

 

But I digress: Anyhow, +1 greened all up the board & self-junked as you were factually correct about the numbers, and I was not. (Damn Telegraph).

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 23:07 | 3197561 kekekekekekeke
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SHUT THE FUCK UP TALKING ABOUT ABORTION

 

stupid fucking dudes

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 18:20 | 3196528 TSA gropee
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"They're not babies, stop using emotional language: they're bundle of cells. That shows your bias. That I can see through your rather feeble rhetorical devices is a measure of your sophistication, not my evil heart of darkness."

Wow, I'll err on his bias over your ignorant claim that life after conception is just a bundle of cells. I can imagine your of the belief that evolution is science fact too. Sad. Sad because your bundle of cells argument can be extrapolated and rationalized to include 2nd and 3rd trimester bundles of cells, or physically or mentally deficient bundles of cells and eventually bundles of cells that are of any age or outside your ever increasing boundaries of what constitutes a bundle of cells.

When human life is reduced to bundles of cells, it tends to give rise to infanticide, eugenics and ultimately, genocide. It's ever sliding scales of morality that make people like yourself so dangerous. 

You would have done well in the third reich.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 19:26 | 3196712 Aurora Ex Machina
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Actually, that's a total fallacy. Nazism and Eugenics rely on two separate things.

 

1) Nazism relied on "Heritage", and then actually followed Jewish teaching [i.e. through the mother, with ridiculous nomenclature about 1/4 Jewish or 1/8th Jewish etc] - and phrenology and all the bullshit tricks of Colonial racism. It had nothing to do with actual science. Same for the USA racist creed that they aped, especially surrounding race and "mental retardation". Learn your history already.

2) Some of the most ethical scientists around have to deal with premature deliveries and the horrors that random genetic mutations can throw out. I strongly suggest that before being an ass about this topic, you familiarise yourself with the multiple genetic abnormalities that can come to term (for instance: cyclopia, deal with it) and then wonder how a doctor can euthanise said baby to save the emotional damage to the parents if it was shown. Or, you know, look into spinal deformities and average life span post birth [hint: Spina Bifida ]

 

The most moral humans on earth are the medical staff making the hard choices that idiots like you cannot even understand. They take the hard choices so the parents don't have to; and all they get from you lot is bigotry and scorn; and they do it out of empathy for both the child and the parents.

 

 

Remember that garden? You ain't growing it my friend. You've just been given a chance at sprouting; I'd suggest you take it.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 19:33 | 3196796 TSA gropee
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Project much? Your kabuki theatre slight of hand attempts at deflection are amusing. You pick and choose your talking points in rebutting my post and add false assumptions rather than tackle my points. Interesting you leave out the euthanizing of "undesirables", Jews and whatever else the "master race" came up with as useless eaters taking up space. Comes as no surprise though, as I've read your replies.You have some skill I'll grant you that, but overall weak to someone who recognizes such tactics.

I made no mention of the medical profession and I agree, they do have to make some difficult medical choices, some even based on moral absolutes. I thank God you're not one of them.

Lastly, your weak and juvenile attacks at my education or possibly being young as well as your use of "big" words are pathetic and a vain and futile attempt to intimidate me. Hardly, you're a joke.

Try a blog that requires less critical thinking and reason. In short, GFY

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:03 | 3196835 Aurora Ex Machina
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Sigh, ok.

Project much?

No. You were the one that made the accusations, thus the burden of proof is upon you to make them stick.

Your kabuki theatre slight of hand attempts at deflection are amusing. You pick and choose your talking points in rebutting my post and add false assumptions rather than tackle my points. Interesting you leave out the euthanizing of "undesirables",

Look up a few posts. You might notice that I stated: "I have no input on the policy, and cannot change it". This is clear: I have no control over Chinese population measures. This is both factual, and true.

Jews and whatever else the "master race" came up with as useless eaters taking up space. Comes as no surprise though, as I've read your replies.You have some skill I'll grant you that, but overall weak to someone who recognizes such tactics.

What? This means precisely: Nothing. There is no substance to this. This is pure rhetorical fluff. YOU have added the emotionally charged terms of "useless eaters" and "master race" and "Jews". And so, you're attempting to draw this into some kind of silly space tick list that will create drama.

 

There is no drama. Point #1 clearly states that Nazism has nothing to do with this topic. Which you've managed to ignore, and then attempt to double-down upon.

 

You've been given an option: grow your garden, or don't.

You've chosen the latter, which is your choice. But don't attempt to blame others for your void.

 

I made no mention of the medical profession and I agree, they do have to make some difficult medical choices, some even based on moral absolutes. I thank God you're not one of them.

And you know that, how?

Lastly, your weak and juvenile attacks at my education or possibly being young as well as your use of "big" words are pathetic and a vain and futile attempt to intimidate me. Hardly, you're a joke.

Try a blog that requires less critical thinking and reason. In short, GFY

More fluff. You're attempting something you cannot complete on. And it's really not worth your paycheck to keep at this.

Hint: every time you prostitute yourself like this, your garden shrinks a little. A husk without a centre; that's not a great place to be. It's not like I'm not explicitly telling you about this, is it? Free Will, apparently, is still a concept your minds revolve around.

 

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."


Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:21 | 3194828 taketheredpill
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CAUTION:  Watch Out For Falling Birds

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:23 | 3194832 new game
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nice, can't wait to visit

nice discount to the price-pay ya later, if your alive...

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:24 | 3194839 new game
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send o green/epa team to reform or liberate

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:26 | 3194848 pods
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On the bright side, the UV index is very low.

pods

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:28 | 3194863 new game
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calling al gore

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:30 | 3194865 yogibear
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A Chinese experiment.  See how much pollution the masses can take until millions start dying off.

Life is cheap in China. When one dies there is always another wait to fill in.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:29 | 3194867 virgilcaine
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Thats why they make Mongolian babies.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:40 | 3195103 Ghordius
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Mongolians prefer them that way

don't get Mongolians mad at you or they'll hunt you with golden eagles

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:34 | 3194881 Meat Hammer
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Hory clap, my rungs ache!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:37 | 3194896 Anglo Hondo
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The Chinese should just install some of those really big fans that are prevelent on all the hills in England.  Seems to have cured the smog problems in the UK.

I noticed today that the big fans are happily revolving, even without any wind to help them.

Assholes.

 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:09 | 3195009 edb5s
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Infinite Jest, anyone? 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:40 | 3194904 vote_libertaria...
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"These go to 11"

 

(to quote Spinal Tap)

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:41 | 3194908 IamtheREALmario
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The ratio of young Chinese males to females is about 1.18 : 1. For the young age group, this leaves about 30 million Chinese males that will not be able to find Chinese wives ... maybe polluting them to death is a socially acceptable alternative to sending them to war and killing them off that way?!?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:44 | 3194910 Vlad Tepid
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If the Chinese seize the Senkaku Islands they'd be shrouded in a smog like that within a fortnight.

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