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Via Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

You know you’re no longer living in a free country when the government tells you what you can and cannot put in your body. Or when an unelected board of bureaucrats and corporate insiders can confiscate the assets of hardworking small business owners.

Yet these have become par for the course in the Land of the Free.

The latest bout involves a family-owned raw milk operation in Missouri that was decimated last week by the heavy hand of government, courtesy of the State Milk Board.

Of course, this isn’t even an actual government agency, but rather one of more than 200 such committees in Missouri which wield tsarist authority over their domains.

State Milk Board members include both state bureaucrats and corporate leaders from the milk industry. How convenient that a few big producers are given unelected, absolute authority to torpedo a raw milk competitor...

And so, last Friday, farm inspectors arrived to confiscate 18 tons of cheese that Morningland Dairy had produced from raw milk. They were met by a small crowd which had gathered to show support for the family… and to denounce these agents of government for carrying out an immoral act on innocent people.

It was all captured on video, including the police response.

You have to respect what these people were doing. They stood to face their enemies and peacefully demonstrate against abuse of power. They even tried to convince government agents to stop participating in the wholesale destruction of liberty.

It’s a noble thing indeed. But the uncomfortable reality is that their efforts were wasted.

The police, the bureaucrats... they are not the enemy. They are merely pawns of an entire system gone critically bad. In truth, there is no actual enemy. The enemy is an idea - a faceless government that is not embodied in a single individual or group.

Trying to ‘fight’ this enemy, this idea, is as futile as a government ‘declaring war’ on drugs or poverty. These are not enemy combatants. They’re nouns. Concepts.

As such, trying to ‘take back’ the country is a noble yet unfortunately misguided expenditure of precious resources. One would be more successful trying to train a potted plant how to juggle rather than trying to change the system.

As humans we have natural instincts to defend ourselves. Rationally, though, the best move we have is to simply refuse to play the game. That means leaving.

Our most solemn obligations are to our families, ourselves, and our chosen loved ones. Not to a society that no longer shares our values. Not to a passport. Not to a politician. Not to a piece of dirt.

Just as our forefathers did, when the walls of the social contract start closing in, you go find a new piece of dirt. Or at least have a plan for it; the time to consider your escape options isn’t while you’re packing your bags.

Ecuador could be a possibility. It’s pleasant here. The economy is growing. It has plenty of modern conveniences. It’s easy to become a resident– in some cases you can even use the funds in your IRA to qualify.

Plus it’s cost-effective. You can still live reasonably well for under $1,000/month. And real estate can be extraordinarily cheap. I’ve just seen a spacious 2,000 square foot home on 10 acres for about $100,000 dollars; they’re effectively selling the home at construction cost and throwing in the land for free.

Now, I’m not trying to convince you to move to Ecuador. But rather point out that as the steady march into tyranny continues, the best solution may be to stop playing the game altogether. You won’t be worse off for at least reviewing your options and having a plan.


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Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:48 | 3197071 davidsmith
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You know you're not living in a free country when you are invited to watch flannelmouths rant on ZH.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:55 | 3197103 Deacon Frost
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Government indoctrinated troll alert

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:01 | 3197128 Say What Again
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I find it interesting that "milk" has come up a few times today.

Have you ever heard of "Deep Capture?"

I don't know if I buy into it all, but they bring up milk as one of the areas that "Deep Cature" takes place.


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:25 | 3198259 trav777
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Wed, 01/30/2013 - 05:44 | 3198045 All Risk No Reward
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Another clown running interference for the money defining and creating class, heh?

Yes, there are people to blame - anyone that knows debt based money is a fraudulent, societal asset stripping machine and isn't telling everyone who will listen about it.

Debt Money Tyranny

BTW, a few days back this link had almost 1,000 downloads and it was followed up by 2 days of about 250 downloads on days I had not posted the link.

That is orders of magnintude higher than anything I had seen in the past. 

Interest in understanding the international banking cartel's foundational Trojan Horse upon with everything else is stacked is key.

This Black character will never tell the truth because it will be the end of whatever "establishment" swag he values more than Veritas that exposes the criminality behind a society being destroyed in slow motion.

Yes, there are people to blame.  But they will promote people who tell there is nobody to blame.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 06:14 | 3198068 WarriorClass
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"The police, the bureaucrats... they are not the enemy. They are merely pawns of an entire system gone critically bad. In truth, there is no actual enemy. The enemy is an idea - a faceless government that is not embodied in a single individual or group."

If a thief comes to rob you, is he not the enemy?  The police, the bureaucrats, the enforcers, they ARE the enemy, albeit pawns, and need to be taken out, for while pawns, they are kings in their own little fiefdoms.  

Face the fact that there is a war on our freedom and that we must fight the enemy's soldiers.


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 07:16 | 3198091 Azannoth
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Seeing how those government thieves can simply walk right up to your home take/destroy whatever they want and leave unobstructed, where is your precious 2nd Amendment now?!?

You (Americans) have given up on ALL your "other" rights while you kept saying, " as long as we have a right to bare arms we're free" well this is reality in your face, you're not free and your guns are soon going away too.

I can imagine (a few decades ago) those government goons would have been met with armed resistance not only by the family of this farm but the whole local community, but now you just all roll over and cry on Youtube, pussies.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 07:46 | 3198122 Ace Ventura
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Was gonna down-arrow you, but the sad thing is what you're saying is true. Our founding fathers would certainly recoil a what we've become. All hope is not lost yet....but it sure looks grim. We better find our internal liberty fire soon.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 10:55 | 3198688 Al Gorerhythm
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Make sure you apply liberal amounts of sunscreen to those bare arms of yours.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:32 | 3198850 Azannoth
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and you better try not to piss-off any of those armed bear(s) running around, or was it armoured bears? .. I confuse

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:17 | 3198805 aerojet
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We're being conquered one at a time--if dozens of neighbors had shown up with their guns, the feds would have well, fled.  But we're still in that akward stage where those not directly targeted think that their silence will save them.  But it won't.  We'll be taking sides soon enough, so piss off.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:51 | 3198370 GMadScientist
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One should note that 'pawns' generally don't have powerful lobbies to negotiate their benefits and pensions after the war.


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:17 | 3198799 aerojet
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Once the first shot goes off, all that bullshit doesn't mean a damn thing.  The enforcers live by the sword and they will also die by it.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 02:28 | 3205338 All Risk No Reward
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It is an information war for the hearts and minds of the people being enslaved.

Unfortunately, most people are too scared to even consider that reality, but that is changin daily as the pain of tyranny rattles ever deeper into the bones.

Self defense always applies, of course.

He who shoots first likely loses, which is why the gang banksters will like almost certainly go Operation Northwoods / Operation Gladio on people who still understand what the American Republic ought to be.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:17 | 3198242 buckethead
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I can muster a junk for that fucktard first comment. 


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 10:33 | 3198568 Deacon Frost
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Pentagon “Cyber-Warriors” Planting “False Information on Facebook” 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:56 | 3197104 Big Slick
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Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:13 | 3197357 Rusty Shorts
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URUGUAY, you're welcome.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 01:28 | 3197884 AgLand
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I farm in Uruguay. It's a damn fine place, but it ain't cheap to live there.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:45 | 3197500 ArsoN
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Ecuador is quite close to a socialist dictatorship.  Lots of nationalizations and "people's revolution" type rethoric.    

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 23:01 | 3197537 lasvegaspersona
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not sure about Equador

Chile I think has more going for it.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 23:19 | 3197607 DoChenRollingBearing
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EVERY country has its problems as a place to go.  Anyone interested in exfiltrating the USA should spend an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM of eight weeks in your candidate country before moving there (and do your homework first).

And that eight weeks is WORK!  Talking to lawyers, learning the language and eating the food.   It's a big decision to leave, even if only "for a while".


I have heard good things about both Chile and (above) Uruguay.  But, we already have the infrastructure in PERU, so that's where we would go.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 03:32 | 3197992 youngman
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I live in Colombia....check it out

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 07:52 | 3198130 Ace Ventura
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I grew up in Bogota in the 70s and early 80s. Even though I was 13 when I left, I will always remember the country. Beautiful place, and having visited the deep countryside on many occasions, I have seen TRUE poverty. I have one or two contacts still living there, but don't keep in touch as much as I'd like. Is the political situation there still difficult? Last I hear the FARC were not so much a problem anymore, but there was still plenty of FARC-like organizations running kidnapping and extortion/racketeering rings.


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 13:45 | 3199355 Big Slick
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Chile - best kept secret in the Western Hemisphere.  I go there on business a lot.  It's awesome.  People seriously considering bugging out of the US (I'm not) should do due diligence on Chile

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:11 | 3198230 Chaos_Theory
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No f-ing way...far too many beautiful senoritas in Columbia...I'd end up divorced and dead.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:02 | 3198725 Al Gorerhythm
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I'm moving to Utopia. Heard the weather's great, fish always bite, the chicks are all sex mad, dad owns a pub, money for nothing and free shit everywhere. Endless supply of welfare for my 10 children I plan to spawn with those honey skinned wanton wenches. See you all in Shangri La. 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:19 | 3198813 aerojet
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I don't think Ecuador has an illegal immigration problem.  Conversely, the US has many tens of thousands of former Ecuadoreans.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:08 | 3198751 Henry Hub
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You're going to love the national dish - roast guinea pig - yum,yum! It's like eating a large rat.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:56 | 3197107 nmewn
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You are not living in a free country when it FORCES you to buy health insurance from a private company or pay the GOVERNMENT a fine.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:04 | 3197140 Bobbyrib
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At least there are no lobbyists in Obama's White House. /sarcasm.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:23 | 3197426 CPL
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No more doctors either from what I'm reading.


This whole thing is going to go so horribly wrong.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 00:09 | 3197727 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, + 1

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:06 | 3197147 john39
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yeah, but the radio and tv me tell me that the United States leads the world by example...   i guess they are not lying if they don't say what direction the U.S. leading the world....

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 03:24 | 3197985 mkhs
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I thought we were leading from behind.  When did it change?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:43 | 3197285 Rick64
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Ya but you can have all the pink slime, ammonia washed burgers, coke, and all those other things that are good for you. And if by any chance you get sick from that healthy food then you will have insurance.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:17 | 3197406 Dr. Engali
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These are the people looking out for our safety. I'm sure they will be human with the sheep if shit ever hits the fan. By the way thanks for the link today;That was a good read. I appreciate it.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:23 | 3197428 fonzannoon
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no prob. i figure you and me (and the other 500k users on here) are the hard asset guys, kito is the cash guy. we needed a digital money guy. the turkey sandwich business won't know what hit it.

I saw some couple in Indiana is facing jailtime for nursing a fawn back to health. saw it in the NY daily news. No idea if that is anywhere near you. You see that anywhere? 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:34 | 3197466 Dr. Engali
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Actually I'm very close to that area. I've been following the story, it's incredible how convoluted our legal system has become. No matter what we do we are eventually break a law of some sort, even when we are trying to do the right thing.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:39 | 3197481 fonzannoon
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i see more and more of those stories. what interests me is the enforcement end of it. I'm hoping to read stories of the authorities refusing to enforce this bullshit. They are the trigger for TPTB. I'd love more than anything to see that trigger jam.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 07:49 | 3198125 nmewn
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Here ya go fonz...this may be something that interests you in that regard...

"We are prepared to trade our lives in defense of the constitution of the United States," says Summit County Sheriff David Edmunds.

28 of Utah's 29 sheriffs signed off on the letter. Edmunds says it's meant as a preemptive strike in case the president enacts tougher gun laws like limiting assault rifles or restricting the amount of ammo in a gun clip.

"It's important in government that there's always push back," the sheriff says. "If there's something that may be unconstitutional that we raise a voice and say no we're not going to allow anyone's rights to be trampled."

Thats some pretty blunt, strong language, from law enforcers on that particular topic.

Its going to be quite interesting, if one day, the federalis swoop in and surround a house in order to enforce a federal search warrant on Granny and her AR15 and find themselves surrounded by local deputies and local militia.

What are they gonna in a fire mission on their own position? ;-)

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 12:08 | 3199025 aerojet
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Well, let me know when they're ready to go after the repeal of '86 FOPA, GCA '68, and NFA '34.  I'll convert and become a Mormon, bitchez!

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:07 | 3198219 sunnyside
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Selective enforcement is really scary to me and the reason why laws need to be removed if not enforced.  I don't want something hangng over my head on a political whim or grudge.


Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:52 | 3197511 A Nanny Moose
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"The more laws, the less justice." - Marcus Tillius Cicero


"The more laws and order are made prominent,
The more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 00:25 | 3197763 NemoDeNovo
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We are ALWAYS just one Law away from Utopia!!!!


~ Nemo


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 00:59 | 3197822 Tijuana Donkey Show
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You hunt that area? I love that state.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 03:33 | 3197991 Dr. Engali
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Yes I like to hunt. I'm strictly a bow hunter though. I'm not opposed to gun hunting I used to in the past.., its just not as satisfying as taking one with a bow.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:56 | 3198388 GMadScientist
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Imagine how you'll feel when you do it with your bare hands and teeth!

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:19 | 3198810 Henry Hub
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The deer are so tame in my area that you can practically walk over and strangle them!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:28 | 3197446 chubbar
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Here's another example of gov't assholes busting the balls of taxpaying citizens.

"Our first exposure to the town zoning authorities came a couple of weeks after Sandy. We'd met with insurance adjusters, contractors and "remediation experts." We'd had about a foot of Long Island Sound sloshing around the ground floor of our house in Connecticut, and everyone had the same advice: Rip up the floors and subfloors, and tear out anything—wiring, plumbing, insulation, drywall, kitchen cabinets, bookcases—touched by salt water. All of it had to go, and pronto, too, lest mold set in.

Yet it wasn't until the workmen we hired had ripped apart most of the first floor that the phrase "building permit" first wafted past us. Turns out we needed one. "What, to repair our own house we need a building permit?"

Of course.

Before you could get a building permit, however, you had to be approved by the Zoning Authority. And Zoning—citing FEMA regulations—would force you to bring the house "up to code," which in many cases meant elevating the house by several feet. Now, elevating your house is very expensive and time consuming—not because of the actual raising, which takes just a day or two, but because of the required permits.

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Austrian writer Franz Kafka in 1910.

Kafka would have liked the zoning folks. There also is a limit on how high in the sky your house can be. That calculation seems to be a state secret, but it can easily happen that raising your house violates the height requirement. Which means that you can't raise the house that you must raise if you want to repair it. Got that?

There were other surprises. A woman in our neighborhood has two adjoining properties, with a house and a cottage. She rents the house and lives in the cottage. For 29 years she has paid taxes on both. The cottage was severely damaged but she can't tear it down and rebuild because Zoning says the plots are not zoned for two structures, never mind that for 29 years two property-tax payments were gladly accepted.

Kafka would have liked FEMA, too. We've met plenty of its agents. Every one we've encountered has been polite and oozing with sympathy. Even the lady who reduced my wife to tears was nice. The issue was my wife's proof of income. We sent our tax return to FEMA, but that wasn't good enough. They wanted pay stubs. My wife works as a freelance writer and editor. She doesn't get a pay stub. Which apparently makes her a nonperson to this government agency.

In "The Road to Serfdom," Friedrich Hayek noted that "the power which a multiple millionaire, who may be my neighbor and perhaps my employer, has over me is very much less than that which the smallest functionnaire possesses who wields the coercive power of the state on whose discretion it depends whether and how I am to be allowed to live or to work."

And how. But what makes the phenomenon so insidious is that many of the functionaries are as friendly as can be. It's just that they're cogs in a machine whose overriding purpose is not service but self-perpetuation and control."

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 00:45 | 3197796 Jethro
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The FEMA flood maps are what drives the NFIP determination of flood hazard. To me, this is regulatory capture of the government. If your house is "substantially damaged" by a flood (repair cost over 50% of assessed value), then you will have to bring the structure up to code. FEMA recommends that all municipalities exceed minimum Base Flood Elevation standards (formerly called the 100-year storm
Elevation). So, municipalities readily agree to this in hopes of getting cheaper flood insurance through the NFIP.

Now, here is some bad news. The NFIP is going to stop charging a flat rate for flood insurance soon for all grandfathered structures, and begin increasing insurance rates by 25% per year until they reach actuarial rates. Got that? Insurance rates will effectively double in about 4 years for these structures.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:27 | 3198839 Henry Hub
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"The 44-year-old NFIP (National Flood Insurance Program) is the federal government’s second largest fiscal liability, behind only Social Security, with taxpayers on the hook for the program’s $1.25 trillion of coverage.”

And I thought Food Stamps was the big giveaway.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:45 | 3197499 A Nanny Moose
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Country? Government? These are just terms used to differentiate various tax farms.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:54 | 3197504 tankster
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Yeah right, cause health care should be FREE!

The only reason there wasn't a public option is because the rebubs killed it...

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 01:04 | 3197832 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Health care is free. Eat light, work out, and take care of yourself, and it's the best investment you can make. Sickcare is what everyone is talking about, and sickcare is so expensive because no one worries about healthcare until it's too late. Most "disease" in the US is preventable, but people don't want to hear it. 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 10:56 | 3198696 TheCanadianAustrian
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Agree except for the "eat light" part. I recently switched to a high-animal-fat diet. My body fat is going down, muscle tone increasing, all with less exercise than before.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:36 | 3198879 Henry Hub
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***take care of yourself, and it's the best investment you can make***

That may be true when you're in your twenties and thirties, but not so true when your in your fifties and sixties. And we all get older (sooner than you think).

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 00:12 | 3197731 Shell Game
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Exactly.  One in a LONG train of abuses of State.


Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:58 | 3197114 tickhound
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So the invitation read Attend Or Else? GTFO then.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:58 | 3197117 krispkritter
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And Dick Taters who should be led to their timely demise via the barrel-end of the 'assault weapons' of their fascist cock-smokers and their Kenyan-in-Chief's anti-Constitutional beliefs in protecting the poor(ly IQ'd). Go fuck yourself and take Ben on the same side-show trip. I hope I see you both hang in public one day...

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:19 | 3197199 ebworthen
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davidsmith - you will wake up one day, and repent your ignorance.

Until then - please buy as much Amazon, Chipotle, and Facebook stock you can.

p.s. - And don't buy any Gold or Silver, barbarous relics as Uncle W.B. tells his flock.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:24 | 3197221 jballz
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What is a flannel.mouth?

I am grateful to authorities for protecting me from the terrorists who would seek to kill my family through stealthy non pasteurized dairy product placement. I might have taken that home and put it on my pink slime tacos.

For those who think we don't need a homeland security agent with a machine gun on every street corner in this country, here is proof of how nefarious the enemy is, how far they have penetrated the fabric of our once safe nation, and how much we need them. We really do.

Give me mandatory homogenized dairy products or give me a Gestapo security apparatus! But no death, anything but that.

Giant pussies.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 10:03 | 3198431 GMadScientist
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Flannel-mouth: n A person who talks big about their prepper plans, but is in fact a complete and uttter boob.

Hilarious that he had to go around his head to scratch his ear to find this sad story when the police state has been present and dangerous for decades and these 'freedom' protectors said not a peep when they started the war on drugs and made not a sound when the Patriot Act got rammed through and not a word when we invaded two countries on the back of the same "the terrorists are a comin'" excuse for logic. Now you idiots care about your freedom because they want your thought about your other stripped civil liberties, just focus on what the gun manufacturer lobbyists have told you to say while they tap your phone and strip search your loved ones.

Yeah, giant pussies indeed.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:11 | 3198766 Oldwood
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Once you take their money they own you and have surrendered all rights to your "provider". As so many have enamored themselves to the concept that America is a democracy, rather than a republic, we are left with a world that by a small majority can eliminate everyone's freedoms and enslave us all to the "collective". We have allowed our government to cultivate these dependencies by not only depriving us of our property through taxation (and seizure) but by also allowing them to borrow trillions of dollars in our name. They have manipulated us into indentured servants whose only purpose is to service our debt. We must have "permits" or "papers" to be able to function and when faced with the functionaries of our masters, we realize we are but renters that have little say about our property. It is only when we as individuals find ourselves with our back to the wall, no recourse or defense from this, that we will finally concede the truth. Until then denial will be our state religion.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 12:22 | 3199067 aerojet
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History suggests that people do not rebel until very late in the game.  We are watching that in Egypt and Syria right now, so pay attention.  The balloon will go up in Europe next.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:04 | 3197354 Dr. Engali
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Do you realize how dumb your post was? You use the word "invited"... being invited offers you the freedom to turn it down. That is unless you are a mental slave to the word "okay".

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:17 | 3197404 Fish Gone Bad
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BSE - Bovine spongiform encephalopathy - is a nasty prion disease in cattle.  When they slaughter cattle, whatever they can't sell to people ends up in chicken feed.  The chickens eat their food quite messily, and spill it all over the place and into the droppings below their cages.  The chicken manure is then fed back to cattle to fatten them up.  So cattle are pretty much cannibals.  I really like steak and eat it from time to time.  I am thinking my chances of getting a prion disease from steak is pretty slim.   Something to think about when you are buying cheap hamburger at the grocery store. Raw milk doesn't scare me or honey badgers.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 23:15 | 3197591 Teamtc321
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I read the article, viewed the clip tonight before going out to feed the cattle here in Texas. Actually took a look at a few of the comment's and noticed your "flannelmouths" slang. When I came back in tonight from feeding cattle hay, checking the horses, I thought I would stop back by and take a moment to post a appropriate political response just for you davidsmith. 



Tue, 01/29/2013 - 23:45 | 3197675 Freewheelin Franklin
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Wed, 01/30/2013 - 10:47 | 3198652 Al Gorerhythm
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You have the freedom to leave.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:50 | 3197074 The Gooch
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Tyranny sucks. So does Lysteria?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:02 | 3197130 ShrNfr
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TB sucks worse. Still, if people want to drink raw milk I guess a few nutcases would not be missed on their demise.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:09 | 3197159 john39
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good to see you buy off on the corporate/government propaganda on raw milk...   good raw milk is a luxury and an elixir of health, which is exactly why big brother will never allow it gain popularity.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:30 | 3197214 The Gooch
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Did people get sick from their product?


Does Simon Black know?

Doubt it.

No matter what, those pigs are out of their element. 

Judge not, John39.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:40 | 3197265 john39
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exercising judgment is good common sense.  I don't need the government to make it impossible for me to buy raw milk.  And as far as the alleged health effects go... like everything else relating to the government these days, when you do a little homework and educate yourself just a bit, you realize that raw milk done properly is far healthier that mass produced, hormone laden sludge pumped out of genetically modified cows living barren corporate owned feed-lots....    trusting the government for dietary guidelines or health info is a recipe for disaster.... exhibit A, the food pyramid...  speaking of which, why do i keep seeing these damn pyramid symbols all over everything...


btw, wasn't me who junked you.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:53 | 3197317 The Gooch
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I wholeheartedly concur(!)

Our family eats as healthy as possible and are pursuing farmland of our own.

This particular case has been going on for years and it started with a VOLUNTARY recall after people got sick. 

I caught this vid yesterday and dug into it AFTER I shared it with others.

As I stated, the PIGS should not be big brothers henchmen. Milk Board? Fuck off.

There was another episode of this last week (locally) where the PIGS were assisting the power company enforcing smart meters. They arrested two soccer moms and forced the meters on their PRIVATE PROPERTY.

I am a determined and driven SOB in the Liberty movement. Bet.

I organized a fair percentage of the opposition at this, a week ago Sunday-






Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:59 | 3197339 john39
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it is true that anything can go wrong with food, including milk...  but, if you look at the history of raw milk, it is very clear that there has been an orchestrated effort to prevent any significant number of people for obtaining it...   and like with Monsanto planting evidence on private land...  raw milk tests get rigged... and raw dairy farmers get targeted and forced out of business through government harasssment.   the cost of fighting is simply more than an average farmer can bear.  truly sickening the times we live in.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:28 | 3197405 The Gooch
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Just like the orchestrated effort to prevent people from obtaining the truth.

Or doing their fucking homework.

All I see coming from Simon Black (with few exceptions) on these posts are the "Abroad" meme. "Store your gold elsewhere in "..." and "...", Move to Ecuador...

Most of us don't have that fucking option and I'm simply trying to say (with some occasional SARCASM) Fuck that. (Don't like the "Ecuadorian Sacred Cow" joke? ) 


Or lay down in "..." with your gold stashed in "..." and "..." and wait for it because it will arrive if we don't take off the head right here.

Also, this involved GOATS MILK. Not Bovine.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:44 | 3197489 jballz
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Is there some reason I shouldn't move to Ecuador?

Props to you for fighting to the bloody bitter end, but I find myself surrounded by retards, led by retards, outvoted and outnumbered and out of fucking patience. Nowe they are all raising up their little retard kids to not make finger gestures or talk about guns, god forbid you suggest the people have the right to challenge government, they won't know how to grow their own food so this whole drama will be long gone.

I don't want to stay here and fight for retards. 

My major concern is if I get to Ecuador and it is full of retards. Then what...



Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:57 | 3197527 The Gooch
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Not about props. FIght or flight. Flight just prolongs the necessity to fight, however briefly.

You may use "retards" as human shields in the event of "fight". Especially elected "retards".

In the case of chaos, promise them bernanke bux, happy meals and cheese puffs. Have them walk in front of you.

Portable dvd players (on sticks) attached to their "backpacks".

As for Ecuador, You will be the "retard" read-mark.

MS-13 and corrupt Central American LEO's say HOLA!


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 00:47 | 3197801 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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F.T.W. Well done.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 01:36 | 3197894 Harbanger
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"Is there some reason I shouldn't move to Ecuador?"

These places may seem safe right now but guess what most of these countries local currencies are backed by?  No, not gold, The US dollar.  Overnight they will turn into hell holes.  Best place in the World to be when TSHTF is among your patriot brethren. 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 03:51 | 3198005 NidStyles
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What statist nonsense.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 08:05 | 3198143 ParkAveFlasher
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No, when the hyperinflation shit hits the fan, you will beshocked how bad things turn.  There is a reason why the Ecuadorians have a far flung diaspora nowadays.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 08:12 | 3198148 Ace Ventura
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I don't see the connection between 'statist nonsense' and 'patriot brethren'. The two are like oil and water. I believe what he is saying is that in the end, you're better off staying here and fighting alongside your fellow americans (those who understand the true concept of the American Republic, etc)....than trying to roll the dice on making it work in a latin american authoritarian system where you are a foreigner without blood-ties to the land.

There is no place to run that will not ultimately require the same sort of ugly fight that is coming to the US. In the end, those of us here will have to decide to either fight.....or kneel and accept more and heavier chains.


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:26 | 3198835 The Gooch
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+100 "Blood ties to the land"

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:51 | 3197508 klockwerks
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Had 31 foster kids 5 at a time and milked our goat (Nubian) twice a day. Sweetest milk you will ever drink. They would come to us with snotty nose from allergies and they would clear right up. Wonderful time of our life with those kids. Raised everything we ate and gave them a lot of love. If I were 20 years younger I would do it again

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 12:26 | 3199092 aerojet
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Louis Pasteur kind of put this one to rest as far as I'm concerned.  I associate this crap with people who let their kids get vaccinated for preventable diseases.  WTF?  Drinking raw milk is a bad idea, okay?  It's just that jackbooted thugs should not be involved...

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:20 | 3197415 chubbar
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I read this article the other day and it mentioned that they've been in business 29 years without any complaints of sickness.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:44 | 3197286 unrulian
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the human race barely made it to the mid 20th century before the western governments saved us from extinction with corporate/gov't milk nazi cartels.....phew

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:57 | 3197525 A Nanny Moose
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This is why we drink the alcohol

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 23:15 | 3197592 The Gooch
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I prefer to call it "elixir".

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:51 | 3197082 smartstrike
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Milk is for cows. Are you a cow?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:05 | 3197142 The Gooch
Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:45 | 3197496 The Gooch
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It's sarcasm.

Move there.

Start a commune.

Watch out for MS-13.


Tue, 01/29/2013 - 23:48 | 3197687 Freewheelin Franklin
Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:06 | 3197146 pods
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I like my herrings smoked, not red thank you very much.


Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:20 | 3197205 malikai
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Honestly, the smell always put me off big time. Until one day a good friend of mine coerced me into trying it using lies, deceit, and blackmail.

I actually loved it.

Strange world, this.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:31 | 3197242 nmewn
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Unreal ain't it pods...where do these fucking idiots come from?

An egg is for reproduction, so I guess I'm a

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:51 | 3197310 Dr. Engali
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The world is full of them nmewn, unfortunately they seem to be in the majority.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 07:52 | 3198129 nmewn
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Seems so.

Looks like TW (below) nailed

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 02:32 | 3197948 TWSceptic
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Milk is for mammals, are you a reptile?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:51 | 3197084 tickhound
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Equador??? Wtf izzat? I heard free fries right here, bitchez.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:33 | 3197245 Joe moneybags
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That's just what the people of Equador need: to be overrun with ex-pats, who will eventually bring in the the fast food, the strip malls, big box stores, gated communities, and all of the comforts, and problems, of the culture that they just left. I calculate that we have about 15 years more to enjoy Thailand, Costa Rica, and Panama as they are today.  After that, these lovely places with fine people will just be another get-away suburb of the entire western world

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:28 | 3197442 tickhound
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ECuador... Ecuador is overrun, not Equador.  I was only kEEEding.  What's your excuse?

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 23:59 | 3197704 billsykes
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Which was why cuba was nice. No chain stucco sprayed store strip malls with lots of parken'.  

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 12:29 | 3199104 aerojet
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Oh come on.  Cuba fucking BLOWS! 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 01:40 | 3197892 JOYFUL
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Now you're on to something....

and this is the reason I think Simon sticks in most people's craw, even though his chosen subject is of compelling interest - the flight of the White out of sionist-occupied Euromerkica is like spreading Staphylococcus aureus - you run amok through the world as a one man disease vector, looking for a cure to an external problem only treatable by going deep inside and facing up to your sorry status as a conditioned cog in a cabbalistically created consumerist paradise. A talmudic materialist world berift of spirit, solidarity, or any lingering sense of the sacred to life.

Get that shit out of your mind\body first...or at least get started on that path...

then go - anywhere, it doesn't really matter, cause it's the baggage you take with you that will determine the degree of success you will find in your chosen refuge. Seek to understand your new neighbourhood, and neighbors, through the fresh eyes of one who realizes that their own birthright has been stolen, and that we[the West]are all 'refugees' now -

or stay - if you feel strong enough to take on the Golem mano a mano, every doggone day in n out, realizing that the odds of gettting outta Femaville alive n well are shrinking every day just like the available living space in a room the walls of which are moving inwards inch by inch.

Whichever way you choose amigo, just do it like a man...afore they breed that capacity out of folks too!

Ursula Rucker ft. Younglao - Rant (Hot In Here)
Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:52 | 3197088 JustPrintMoreDuh
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You didn't make that cheese ... 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:54 | 3197094 Bobbyrib
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Damn NY bankers /sarcasm.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:57 | 3197095 francis_sawyer
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You KNOW you're not living in a REALITY WORLD when your watch is water resistant to '3 atmospheres' & can simultaneosly give you the time in Monte Carlo, Beverly Hills, London, Paris, Rome, & Gstaad...

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:57 | 3197112 Big Slick
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In Philadelphia, it's worth fifty bucks

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:59 | 3197119 francis_sawyer
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BIG SLICK!... My Man!


How much for the gun???

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:11 | 3197164 Big Slick
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I picture Bernanke, someday trying to unload US Treasuries

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:15 | 3197187 francis_sawyer
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In Philadelphia, they're worth fifty bucks...

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:22 | 3197212 Big Slick
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How much for the gun??

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:56 | 3197108 docmac324
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The country has gotten what wants and deserves.  When 300 million read ZH maybe things will change.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 01:15 | 3197856 Tijuana Donkey Show
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You imply that 300 million can read. If ZH was all videos, maybe. If we pipe the articles and comments to bears, we might have a chance. 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 07:39 | 3198116 Dapper Dan
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There is a reason why, at fast food “restaurants” you order from a picture menu, and the sale is rung up on a picture register.


If you are dependent on people who do not know you, who control the value of your necessities, you are not free, and you are not safe!


Wendell Berry, 

The art of the commonplace



Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:58 | 3197115 Vidar
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Sorry, but the police and bureaucrats ARE the enemy. The state would have no power if it were not for those individuals who are morally corrupt enough to serve it. Anyone who uses force against his fellow man in order to enforce the will of the state is EVIL and needs to be pointed out as such. These individuals make tyranny possible. They are the problem just as much as the politicians who give them their orders.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:02 | 3197131 The Shootist
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Agreed, choose yor path wisely and take resposibility for your actions.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:18 | 3197191 XitSam
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And Simon's answer is just run away. I'm not going to run. It would dishonor my ancestors.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:34 | 3197253 disabledvet
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From "shoot first ask questions later" to "shoot back and call 'em trespassers." of course "why say anything at all when they had it coming." God I love this country. It really does pick up my spirits when I see that flag flying.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 00:00 | 3197708 billsykes
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Beat the odds- the south didn't win. Better to be dual, and take a boat when your primary country goes to shit.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:02 | 3197304 Renfield
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I was gonna say the same thing you did; now I'm just voting you up and saying Amen.

"No Enemy" my ass.

Execute a few banksters and criminal politicians, and we'll soon see how fast this "concept war" is over.

Or, conversely, try sneaking a little TRUTH into the media propaganda airwaves and see how many of those "pawns" don't suddenly & efficiently identify who their "enemy" is. With or without "legal" authorisation.

This ain't a "war on poverty", "war on drugs", "war on terror" or any other fuckwitted PR slogan. This is real and the longer it continues the more it threatens the livelihoods and the lives of you and yours. There are people with NAMES behind it, and people with names carrying it out. Nuremberg defence does not work here any better than it did the last time we had a REAL war, this big.

(I do agree with his idea that the best way to win is not to play, so I gave the article a 3 and a "You Tried" star.)

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:28 | 3197447 Darth Stacker
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I think we need to stop paying these guys so fricken much money that they will do ANYTHING to keep their jobs. I mean all of them ATF, DEA, cops, TSA. I never thought America could have brown shirts because of our Christian character. I assumed that the military would never ever be brown shirts because of it's culture (still do) but these over paid A-holes in the government will flip the switch on the gas chamber just becasue they have a G-D fricken piece of paper to protect their cushy job and sweet beni's. I am not just venting this crap is becoming more common and it scares the crap out me

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 04:08 | 3198017 NidStyles
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Germany was deeply rooted in Christianity before the NSDAP came along and changed that. In fact the first recorded Communists in the world were German Christians.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 00:29 | 3197771 Overfed
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"I am the tyranny of evil men...."

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 20:59 | 3197120 Seasmoke
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Must be doing something wrong, if so worried about an incident happening

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:01 | 3197125 john39
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I beg to differ... there most certainly is an enemy.   well hidden for sure, but there none the less.   They/it must be rooted out, and exposed in the daylight.  there is no peaceful coexistence with them.  they will enslave the majority if given the chance.  the stuff of tin foil hat conspiracy is now reality... 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:46 | 3197289 Being Free
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there most certainly is an enemy   ...   indeed, pardon me for this re-post but ...

Statist Thugs And The Rocks They Crawl Out From Under

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 11/21/2012 13:18 -0500

Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

A mass exodus from ignorance and organized opposition to tyranny is the dream of every freedom loving person within the Liberty Movement today. We would like nothing better than to put an end to the expanding establishment police state in the most peaceful manner possible. We dream of a day when a transition back to the Constitutional values that once made America brilliantly unique in the world is possible, and can be accomplished without incredible pain or terrible bloodshed. We long for that once-in-a-century uprising, that great march, that spontaneous eruption of the citizenry demanding a more truthful government. At the same time, though, we realize that such events are rare, and few if any great changes in the history of man are made without sacrifice, and without direct confrontation.

The reason why peaceful and popular activism almost never occurs successfully, the reason why good people are made to stand and suffer, falls not only to the establishment elites who seek out and abuse power; there are others who share in the blame. Regardless of the age, the culture, or the social conditions, there is ALWAYS a percentage of the general populace that embraces the totalitarian dynamic. There is always someone in our neighborhood, in our workplace, and within our family that finds vindication or advantage in supporting the state, even if the state has turned viciously criminal. They are not only useful idiots; they are conscious participants in the process of pacification and enslavement of their own society. They understand their role perfectly, and they enjoy what they do.

The psychologist Carl Jung in his examination of the rise of violent fascism in Germany as well as the collectivist surveillance state in communist Russia theorized that there is in fact a certain percentage of people in any given epoch that carry within them a latent ability to abandon conscience. That is to say, there is always hidden within a portion of the multitude an inborn potential for sociopathic and psychopathic tendencies. These tendencies remain dormant for many under most circumstances, but every once in a while a society falters to the point where such diseases of the soul are encouraged, and the monsters in millions are allowed to come out and play.

Is it possible that some men are more apt towards truth and freedom while others take more naturally to dominance and deceit? Perhaps. I find that under certain circumstances even the best human beings can make catastrophic errors in judgment. However, there is a difference between those who misstep in life, and those who savor destruction. For these people I reserve the label of the “statist thug”; a ghoul in common man’s drag just waiting for the opportunity to scrape out a spoonful of petty authority and assert his will over others. These folks are the day’s damned. And what’s worse; though they may have been born with a predisposition towards despotism, they still had a choice, and they chose villainy. They deserve no special treatment and no quarter from us.

As America faces down wave after wave of fiscal difficulties, a government gone rogue with false left/right politics, and policies that disregard civil liberties for the sake of centralized authority, I believe the statist thugs of our time will soon flow out of the dark recesses and rotten sputtering gutters of our society like a river of septic putrescence. We all know them when we see them, but do we really understand what makes them tick? Here are some common psychological attributes of the overzealous statist; the failings and inadequacies that make him what he is…


Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:01 | 3197127 krispkritter
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A 'Milk Board' at the local level?...never before has there been more of a need to thin the 'herd' of useless Public employee pension parasites...

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:15 | 3197394 WillyGroper
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Perhaps the newest enhanced interrogation might be called for to deal with such jack boots. Milk Boarding. 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 22:41 | 3197486 MrPalladium
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Amen, brother!!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:02 | 3197129 jeff314
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You Know You're Not Living In A Free Country When... jews run your banks...

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:07 | 3197152 pods
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I will take it one step futher.

When your government forces you to pay your taxes in private banker money.


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:31 | 3198255 akarc
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You know your not living in a free country when a persons character is judged by their ethnicity. 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:03 | 3197135 Cdad
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Kick ass post!  We need more of this out there for folks to see.  Soft despotism...that's what it is now.  And it will become something much worse in the years ahead if we let happen quietly.

Might be too late already...but there is honor in the fight against it all.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:11 | 3197173 john39
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bolsheviks loved committees.....

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:05 | 3197143 IridiumRebel
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.....funny you say that.....

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:06 | 3197150 chubbyjjfong
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Folks.. we just have to accept, that if one wishes to fit into todays society, one really has to be "as mad as a clowns cock" 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:08 | 3197151 Stuck on Zero
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Don't believe for one second that "pasteurized milk" is disease free.  Hundreds of scientific studies have shown that the flash pasteurization does not kill Listeria or any of a dozen other diseases include MAP (Mycobacterioum tuberculosum) that is implicated in Crohn's disease. The dairy industry buys "legality" for a really foul product.



Wed, 01/30/2013 - 01:20 | 3197869 Tijuana Donkey Show
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And cruel. Dairy cows are often mistreated and abused. If you ever taste raw milk, you'll understand that "milk" in the store is nothing but fat and water. 

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:09 | 3197153 ebworthen
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I'm taking expatriation more and more seriously.

I worked for a State Department of Agriculture.

They came up with laws to "protect" fruit growers, but also to continue the existence of the bureaucracy.

I had to go out and confiscate Rosaceous plants (Rose family) that had a virus; on the theory that it "could" spread to fruit crops.

Completely screwed over the small businesses selling the plants I confiscated.  They eventually got reimbursed but not in time to make payroll or other sales lost because they didn't have the plants at planting time.

I felt awful about it, apologized, but had a Wife and baby to feed.  Left the job after a while and moved on.

The bureaucracy was un-fightable; reams of legislation piled up over 50 years, lawyers, courts, regulations, paperwork, forms - a mountain of bullshit - and people trying to make a living to survive forced to enforce the bullshit.

Better off leaving it all behind.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:28 | 3197235 TooBearish
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Shame Shame on u for what u did - you stole the ability for another family to feed itself so that you survive and "go along to get along" A pox on you I say - you could have taken one or 2 plants and called it a day and left those people alone - you fuking nazi!

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:52 | 3197315 ebworthen
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Well, that is why I left the job.

I'm certain someone came behind me to do it.

The problem wasn't the cogs, springs, and levers in the machine, but the machine itself and the builders of the machine.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 21:59 | 3197337 Dr. Engali
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We all make our mistakes in life. I know I've certainly made my share if them. It sucks , but hopefully we learn from them.

Tue, 01/29/2013 - 23:15 | 3197597 A Nanny Moose
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We are all, to some extent, merely responding to the placement of cheese within the maze.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!