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Noisy ADP, aka "BLS For Dummies", Beats, Last Month Revised Much Lower

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ADP may have changed its methodology, wiping out a few hundred thousand 2012 jobs in the process, but its predictive track record remains the same: lousy. In December, the private payroll counter "reported" some 215,000 private job gains, well above expectations and about 50,000 more than the BLS reported two days later. Today, ADP was expected to print far lower, or at 165,000, and once again we got a major beat, this time January data apparently soaring to 192K, yet at the same time the utterly meaningless December data was revised far lower, from 215K to 185K just to be inline with the BLS. Expect this number, too, to be revised lower as it usually tends to be, following a weaker than implied BLS payroll number. Of note: seven consecutive drops in manufacturing jobs: so much for that Obama promise to double manufacturing jobs in 5 years or whatever it was. Judging by the market's non response to today's latest ADP number, we are not the only ones who see Mark Zandi's pet seasonal-adjustment project as nothing more than a monthly joke.

The business size breakdown was as follows:

    Small businesses (1-49 employees) +115,000
    Medium businesses (50-499 employees) +79,000
    Large businesses (500 or more employees) -2,000

Industry Snapshot

    Construction 15,000
    Manufacturing -3,000
    Trade/transportation/utilities 33,000
    Financial activities 12,000
    Professional/business services 40,000

By Sector

    Goods producing 15,000
    Service providing 177,000

Some of the pretty, but meaningless, charts:

And confirming that ADP is now basically BLS for dummies, it actually provides its own infographic. Here is this month's:

Infographic: U.S. Economy Added 215,000 Private-Sector Jobs in December, According to ADP National Employment Report

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Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:28 | 3198264 GetZeeGold
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ADP may have changed its methodology


Who needs rules when you can just wing the crap?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:34 | 3198291 krispkritter
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No need to lie when all you need to do is revise!

Look! Over there! All is well...

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:43 | 3198299 JackT
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Will they revise all of 2012? Lets not forget they get a 2-for-1 with all the companies that have reduced hours for employees due to The Affordable Care Act

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 10:36 | 3198581 Groundhog Day
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we can send an unmaned rover millions of miles away on another planet, landing within a 1/2 mile of its intended landing spot, but those damn unemployment numbers are just so hard to calculate

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:27 | 3198269 Silver Garbage Man
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Cnbc just told me that 2.5 million unemployed people are a potential boon to the market when they find jobs! Sounds like all will be okay!

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:49 | 3198354 Downtoolong
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Some people see the glass as 95% empty. Others choose to see at as 5% full.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 14:14 | 3199453 ImReady
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5% full! Bullish!!! 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:28 | 3198271 Jason T
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Labor productivity gains were only 0.2% in 2012.. the 3rd lowest since WWII .. 2013 projected to be just .6% .. gonna need to hire more folks but that's gonna hit profits.. so good jobs numbers will be bad for profits and or course stocks.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:42 | 3198304 azzhatter
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More and more part time jobs

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:28 | 3198272 ejmoosa
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Look how good the numbers from last year now look.


Yet they keep saying things are improving, despite evidence to the contrary.


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:30 | 3198274 tradewithdave
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Jim Rickards vs Zerohedge... Pass the popcorn.


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:33 | 3198284 GetZeeGold
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Are we really gonna argue on who's crap is the best?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:36 | 3198279 firstdivision
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They are dumping UST on this print...oh wait, my montior is upsidedown.  Good thing that GDP number came in above expecations to show all is well in the US.  Oh wait, we're cutting spending on the military?!? 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:32 | 3198280 EmmittFitzhume
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The only thing that moves this market is $85BN / Mo in new Fed money

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:32 | 3198281 Kaiser Sousa
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we're rolling baby!!!!!!!!

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:39 | 3198287 Obchelli
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Now imagine this kind of ADP and Negative GDP print in fair market. Market would be locked limit down. But Hey Honeybadger doesn't care

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:33 | 3198289 fonzannoon
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cnbc just broke some bad news. now they are talking about how great it is.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:39 | 3198296 Shizzmoney
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There is no such thing as "bad news" on CNBC.

"Bad news" = "ratings"

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:43 | 3198316 semperfi
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CNBC - marxist/fascist shitbags

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:35 | 3198292 orangegeek
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Lie about it this quarter, revise down next quarter and hope no one notices and that no MSM reports it.


Interestingly enough, the SP500 weekly formation today looks very similar to the one in 2007.



Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:38 | 3198295 fonzannoon
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4th qtr GDP came in negative. this zandi guy is going to hyperventalate. he won't let even Liesman speak. 

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:41 | 3198300 semperfi
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ADP - why don't you idiots just go do something else, something useful, like cleaning up trash on the freeways

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:41 | 3198303 Obchelli
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Now after negative GDP print they (CNBC) are collectively laugh at Santelly... His voice that we are spending over trillion per year... Fot silenced by idots like LIESman and Zandi

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:43 | 3198307 q99x2
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Hypnotoad me to oblivion. I think I'll have another.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:42 | 3198313 buzzsaw99
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I don't like the colors they used in their charts.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:44 | 3198320 Sudden Debt
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That's why the economy didn't grow in Q4.

Some where surprised the economy didn't grow... I wasn't.

Sandy Rock also had something to do with it and it snowed somewhere.


at least we hope... for change... but good change than...

Thank god the FED will print even more!!! MORE FREE MONEY TO BUY GOLD AND SILVER!!!


Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:44 | 3198322 azzhatter
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but....but.... I saw a commercial that said manufacturing is coming back?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:48 | 3198349 Sudden Debt
Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:54 | 3198382 GeezerGeek
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The only apparent area where manufacturing is increasing is that wherein bogus economic statistics are manufactured. Obama's credibility depends on them.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 09:56 | 3198395 LongSoupLine
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Fucking assholes at ADP and BLS keep doing the bidding of chief fucking shit eater Obama and Bernanke.

Fuck you both, fucking nothing but political dildos

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 10:06 | 3198450 madcows
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ADP is useless.  Please don't even report the number anymore as it only serves to cause confusion.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 10:24 | 3198518 otto skorzeny
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Wed, 01/30/2013 - 10:25 | 3198525 Gimp
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It's getting better all the time.....

Really look forward to the ADP report and top-notch anaylsis by Zandi and Liesman..don't worry guys you can keep your jobs for another week!

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:51 | 3198957 1eyedman
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probably mostly temp workers....who now will spend earned money instead of credit card debt funding....which is negative b/c they want consumer credit to be higher and higher....spend those future wages today!   it will all work out! just do as you are told

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 12:24 | 3199085 GNWT
Wed, 01/30/2013 - 13:09 | 3199233 larz
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I think we need an executive order to extend presidential term limits apparently Obama needs a few more years to get past the cluster he inherited from Snatch ... I mean Bush and that inept republican Congress  FOUR MORE YEARS (at least) of Michelle and Barack clap clap clap

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 15:01 | 3199633 mkhs
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    Manufacturing -3,000


The graphic says -11,000. 



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