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Art Cashin's 65-Year-Old Reason We Are Heading Into Recession
Stocks have slipped, precious metals have round-tripped, and the FOMC did nothing to save us but nevertheless the world's analysts and economists came to the rescue of yesterday's negative GDP growth print yammering over a never-ending series of reasons why ignoring the bad parts, it was great. UBS' Art Cashin, as always, cuts through all the spin as he notes, while most of headlines concentrated on the 4th Quarter GDP, it did give us a look at the annual GDP for 2012 at about 1.5% (not the 4% growth that was the Fed's projection, he snarks); and it is that 1.5% growth rate that has a 65-year history of concerning implications...
Via Art Cashin,
For why that annual reading may be important, let me quote my Bloomberg pal, Rich Yamarone:
The year-over-year change in real GDP was 1.5 percent. There has never been a time since measurement commenced in 1948 when the annual pace of real GDP has fallen that low without the economy ultimately slipping into recession. Sub-2.0 percent readings are historically the warning signal.
Patterns can always change of course let but that one's got a rather compelling history
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Stocks have slipped ~ stopped reading there...
But but on BBG TV Scarlett Foo(L) actually said with a straight face this morning that yesterday's GDP numbers were good and indicated the economy was strong
Who woulda knowed?
A con and shill, conning and shilling.
I hope the Fed Reserve gets the blame for all of this and what will happen.
Silly it will be the republicans or the weather.
But Louise Yamada says we are entering a secular bull market. I am just so confused. Maybe I should just give my money to Cramer.
Stocks will never slip again. Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau based on Ben Bernanke's 'virtuous circle' macroeconomic theory and monetary policy construct.
If they did slip, let alone correct, let alone show more signs that we're in a secular equity bear market, even after the trillions thrown beneath equity markets by central planning (directly & indirectly), what would become of Ben Bernanke's 'virtuous circle' macroeconomic model (and could potential gaping holes in said theory be at least part of the reason Timmmmay turned down Ben's job)?
"Stocks will never slip again."
I know you're expressing sarcasm. http://nowandfutures.com/weimar.html - the Weimar stock market had quite the crazy ride also - both massively up and down in 1922 and 1923, before it blew up into oblivion (reset) in 1924. How much more crazy will this ride into oblivion be for the US markets (the real US economy still being the largest in the world, with the USD still clinging to its reserve status (for how much longer?!)
@SeattleBruce
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I actually think you're on to something there...
Oddly ~ I think it TIES IN to the 'Louise Yamada' posture... I'd consider Lousie Yamada a BEARISH type [though I don't want to get into a debate on that sbject]... Nevertheless ~ based on my view of LY, if she happens to be 'TECHNICALLY BULLISH'... It might make the case FOR Weimar style hyperinflation (per your example)...
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Really....
It's all Bush's fault ;)
It better be nobama
The "market" has literally turned into a parade of stupidity in the last 48 hours...or that last four weeks depending on how you measure stupidity. The useless idiot on The BlowHorn [CNBC] during yesterday's last hour of trade may have top ticked this entire steaming pile. To quote: "I'd forget about this GDP print." Yeah. That sounds like wise counsel. Some other fool yesterday actually tried to explain how this weak GDP number bodes well for the next.
On the equity front today, a consumer stock I follow closely seems to be great at selling its stock higher...but its products...not so much. New five year high on hopium commentary from the CEO in the face of falling revenue.
Amazon...what could a person even add to the stupidity of that price action? Truly a top tick signal.
FaceBook...so I'm supposed to believe in the image of zombies walking around while FaceBooking/navel gazing who are enthralled with...commercials?
You can truly see the value added by the professionals within the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street. To avoid recession, it would seem that all we really need is more stock brokers.
Good grief! [and by that I mean...I wonder how many more clowns can tumble out of this Volkswagen?]
The markets just waiting for the 401k holders to go all in, then it'll collapse. The crowd is moving in that direction now, it won't be long.
TBTB have completely won the narritive. When a site like ZH and a guest like AC title articles "...headind into a recession", the spin meisters win. We have 47-48 million people on food stamps; true unemployment around 16-24%, depending how you skew underemployment; negative Q4 GDP ( yes, i know all the BS data is suspect, every one every time ); yada yada.
We are HEADING into a recession?? HEADING??
Agreed. Wouldn't know what a recession would look or feel like at this point. Probably about the same as now.
I'm not sure we will ever have a declared recession again. The phrase "economic recovery" apparently MUST be used at all times in all venues, even in the face of solid evidence to the contrary.
"Economic recovery" rings about as hollow in the US today as the phrase "glorious revolution" in past communist/dictator countries. They were never glorious and we never recovered.
There will only be periods of "moar recovery" and "less recovery." But never another recession, let alone a depression.
F TV and F Hollywood. they keep saying everything is great - everyone loves Oba-MAO. Evil evil people. There is no dissent in this country. their is no news media protecting the public.
Pull the plug on TV and Hollywood.
And give up "Here Comes Honey BooBoo"?! NEVER!!
They'll have to pry my TV remote from my cold, dead hands first!
Harry Reid ... ' We are in a recovery "
They know we are about to go into another bad recession (if we ever left it in the first place). Cashin knows and the data tells him that it is so.
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Kind cool actually [those SQUARES ODDS]...
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No wings left to buy. Looks like it's gonna be homemade meatballs, quesadillas and guacamole with a side of homemade bean dip.
YUM. go niners.
The francis_sawyer household is equipped with 5 freezers... Luckily ~ wings aren't a problem... [But your menu would do in a pinch]
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I guess the only REAL way to achieve happiness is to fire up your computer & check your BITCOIN balance...
<---lunatic fringe member, who also appreciates a good game of football. And eating like a fucking prince.
The biggest question is: How deep and protracted will it get?
In the meantime, BTFD! or not.
A: It will, most certainly.
World War in Syria/Libya/Mali/Iran wil fix it.
War will start as soon as Hagel is confirmed.
he has to prove he is worthy to be an honorary 12 Tribesmen- he started with his grovelling via an apologetic letter to Babs Boxer(dual US/Israeli citizen)
Recession? as heading into one? We are in a a world wide depression....HELLO!
See... things are getting better! Guess everyone is right.
Yes and in worldwide recessions equity markets rise! Hello Hello!
Doesnt matter stock market is up going for record highs that's all that matters.
"There has never been a time in history when central banks have pumped this many joobux into the stock markets" -fixed it for you ya old mick
Congrats to the fed and bubbles bernank on blowing yet another whopper bubble.
Show me the fucking printfest that has occurred in that time, or any time period, then continue to fucking tell me how the fucking "warning signal" will play out. Buy silver and fuck Bernanke up the ass. fucker.
Art thinks we are not in a recession? Art is starting to remind me of this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnoPZqC6Bfs
To Art a recession means when the stock market goes down.
Where you stand depends entirely upon where you sit and the view from there.
Even Art knows "the stock market is not the economy". As the last 6 years have shown. The economy could tank and the market would probably ignore it thanks to the FED.
I doubt Cashin gives a rat's ass about anything other than the stock market. Let them eat junk bonds.
Do I detect a bit o' the ole jealousy there? Art Cashin has been there, done that.
Old is not synonymous with stupid -- usually just the opposite.
"He started on The Street right out of high school in 1959 just a few months after his father died.
Cashin's father passed away a few months before he graduated, so he found a job to help is mom make ends meet.
He started on Wall Street as an assistant clerk at Thomson & McKinnon in 1959."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/art-cashin-biography-2012-7?op=1#ixzz2Jbh...
But this time it's different.
<No.....wait, this time it's different. Really!>
People only hear and see what they want to and the rest is noise and flickering lights.
Print...vote democrat...bailout I-Banks...print...vote democrat...bailout I-Banks, Print
Dam the torpedoes and man your printing presses, FULL SPEED AHEAD!
Going back into depression; we never came out of recession other than in charts.
Its been raining for quite a while now...
Recession, Depression who cares ES marches higher
No worries. Just lower rates.
ECRI (Lakshman Achuthan), Mike Shedlock, John P. Hussman have been saying it. And I'm tired of repeating it; we are in recession.
...and have been since August.
How many recessions before they fucking call it a depression?
This year? none.
Who would have believed that the worlds central banks would ever be allowed to create so much money out of thin air? Nobody....not one single person. It is incredible in its audacity, and like a deer in the headlights we cannot seem to react to save ourselves. If anyone believes that this will not have a massive impact on our real economy sometime soon, then they are fools (or they are in the game and believe they will win in a relative sense).
As I see it, the banks have been partying at our civilization's expense for the last 50 years or more...most of the 20th century in fact. In 2008 it all exploded as the ponzi began to unravel under its own weight. Since 2008 the central banks have been buying all the toxic garbage from their member banks with crisp new fiat bucks who in turn use that new money to buy government bonds. Once they have rid themselves of all the toxic crap, then the central banks will probably pull back and the economy will crash and all those govt bonds will act as rent for ever....making us all perfect debt slaves (share croppers?).
This is the endgame of western civilization....Art knows it, but contents himself with "funny old guy" quips (i.e. jovial guy in the bar).
Pathetic.
More beer
More beer
Beer Hell, time for gin.
For Art this is just another day at the office. He's seen plenty. I'm sure he also knows that running around with his hair on fire wouldn't do any good. Let's let Santelli do that for us.
Ben Bernanke: "Haha!! Prior, annualized GDP numbers don't matter to future GDP numbers!!"
[he says as his eyes nervously dart to the area on his bookshelf devoted to annualized GDP ARIMA models]
I remember the good old days when a cool Art cashin used to hang out with Mark Haines on the floor of the NYSE and talk about business. They were both true men with brass balls. Those were the days.
HAHAHAHA
"Stocks have slipped ... " -- yea right. The SP futures sold off about 10-12 points TOTAL from recent peak - 10/1500 = .006.
So now a half a percent backoff is selling?
There used to be a time (in a galaxy far, far away) where the markets would move up or down 1% each day - it was commonplace. I guess with the completely managed HFT trading that is only set to BTFD anytime the market backs off, expectation are it will recover into the close with the VWAP chasing algos. No recover creates panic now.
I would hate to see the headlines for a 3% dip. There will be people jumping out the windows.
I was thinking about this today as well. Even a market that is climbing will have sizeable down swings at a regular frequency. This completely rigged "market" never has a down swing more that a few points.
Art says that they started tracking the data in 1948. Part of the problem is that they have been manipulating the data since 1949.
One bit of interesting anecdotal info for ZHers: I hate to admit this, but I still have an IRA that a local joker handles for me. I called him yesterday and he said that "He was busy as a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest." That tells me that the "retail" guy and the 401k guy are getting back in in a big way and the slaughter will soon commence. When responded that it sounds like the time to get out, he thought I was joking. Needless to say he was speechless when I told him I was serious...
The fact that he said "as busy as a one-legged man" means that he should have retired 10 years ago and also sells CDs.
1.5% growth with a fucking madman at the printing press. What could possibly go wrong? FUCK YOU BERNANKE
I love Art Cashin. I'd love to have a drink with the guy, though he'd drink me under the table. But, who is paying this guy? CNBC? Any meaningful job he might have had has long since been taken by a server huming quietly in a data center somewhere. Is he the new Helen Thomas? He's a fixture, so he stays, but no one is quite sure what his job is, other than to pontificate once in a while.
He's with UBS and they probably pay him well enough.
If you want to meet the legend, he's a common visitor to the NYSE's neighbor, Bobby Van's Steakhouse.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/art-cashin-biography-2012-7?op=1#ixzz2Jbj...
Art should know better. Discussing bear markets is heresy. QE trumps reality.
Quick! Increase the hopium from the helo's!
For the last 3 years the public media has been saying our recession is recovering, over and over. The housing bottom is here, buy now. Hope and change, green shoots, invest in the future.... I am not seeing it yet.