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Guest Post: U.S. To Bury Its 70,000 Tonnes Of Nuclear Waste

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Submitted by Joao Peixe of OilPrice.com,

Oak Ridge National Laboratory has released a recent study which has determined that if and when the US ever decides to actually pursue the technology to recycle nuclear waste, it will take 20 years to develop. Based on this knowledge they have suggested that the current stockpile of spent nuclear fuel should be buried without any thought as to its retrieval in the future.

Officials from Oak Ridge involved in the report said that,

“based on the technical assessment, about 68,450 metric tons or about 98 percent of the total current inventory by mass, can proceed to permanent disposal without the need to ensure retrievability for reuse or research purposes.”

The remaining two percent will be used for research into recycling and storage technologies.

The Blue Ribbon Commission on America’s Nuclear Future, co-chaired by Steven Chu, also believes that the means to recycle nuclear waste is too far off for any consideration at the moment.

No currently available or reasonably foreseeable reactor and fuel cycle technology developments—including advances in reprocessing and recycling technologies—have the potential to fundamentally alter the waste management challenges the nation confronts over at least the next several decades, if not longer.”

Although they did add that it was

premature for the United States to commit, as a matter of policy, to ‘closing’ the nuclear fuel cycle given the large uncertainties that exist about the merits and commercial viability of different fuel cycle and technology options.”

Recycling is often thought of as a perfect means of dealing with nuclear waste, producing more energy and making a more efficient use of the fuel, yet anti-nuclear activists are readily against reprocessing technology.

Mali Martha Lightfoot, the executive director of the Helen Caldicott Foundation, says that,

recycling is a euphemism for reprocessing which is one of the worst polluters of the atmosphere and the ocean, and is a direct conduit to proliferation. It is not really a solution to anything except how can the industry get more of our money. It also ups the ante for reactor accident danger, as in the case of Fukushima, because MOX fuel has plutonium in it.”

 

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Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:10 | 3203105 AlaricBalth
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Bury it near Wall Street. There are plenty of mutants running around there already.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:16 | 3203142 BLOTTO
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'They' will bury it in the same place they did for the WTC pieces/parts, Bin Laden's body, etc...

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Gauranteed no one will find it. Unless your James Cameron perhaps?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:18 | 3203157 Fukushima Sam
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I'm sure our descendants in a million years will have fun with it.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:32 | 3203230 Toolshed
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Or perhaps the intellectually and ethically superior cockroaches that conquer us.

 

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:35 | 3203254 Manthong
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Might help with the immigrant problem..

The site will need plutonium bearers and landscape workers..

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:54 | 3203338 Stackers
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So Yucca Mountain is back on again ? ....... until its back off ..... again ?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:34 | 3203477 SamAdams
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They claim to have closed the loop, meaning 100% consumption leaving little to no radioactive matter.  Supposedly, this was "hushed" for security reasons.  As I understand, France and others have offered to purchase spent nuclear fuel, but were denied? 

China is currently pursuing Thorium, which is not used in the States for reasons of National Security.

Story illustration remark:
Bartman - "Eat my shorts!"
Bernanke - "Gladly"

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:54 | 3203598 Diamond Jim
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Sam has the correct approach...i realize we made the choice for Th power back in the 50s because we needed U for bombs. But in reviewing websites for Th power it is always suggested that one can build Th plants and actually "burn" U wastes etc in them. Why should we then bury this toxic trans uranic material when we could burn it.

Mr Chu is an idiot, he apparently has little grasp on how best to (1) produce energy and (2) get rid of the waste from nukes.......... Our future should be based on nat gas and Th power. All American resources, construction jobs and engineering.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 17:15 | 3203968 trav777
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no; actually it is YOU that are the idiot.

ANY fast-spectrum gen 4 reactor can consume actinides and transuranics; the engineering problems with this fuel cycle are nontrivial.  LFR is supposed to be online in 2015.  SCWR are under development.  Other Gen 4 technologies do not exist yet.

The problem is processing the spent fuel, jack@ss.  You can't just dump this stuff in and close the lid like this is a Mr. Fusion.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 21:57 | 3204793 Diamond Jim
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Trav777...I direct you to the website...www.energyfromthorium.com for Thorium Power 101. There is a section in there that discusses fissioning of transuranics from normal U reactors. These LFTR reactors fission these wastes down to 1% residue and produce plutonium 238 (and Mo 90, used in medicine apps), which they can sell to NASA to produce long life energy sources for their deep space probes. Finally, please take your obnoxious finger and shove it.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 11:31 | 3206253 SilverRhino
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Only the US government would be stupid enough to bury long term nuclear waste in some of the youngest rock on the North American continent.   

Glass that crap up and drop it into the Aleutians Trench 26,000 feet under the water.   5 miles of water shielding and the subduction zone carries that crap back into the mantle where it can safely decay.   

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:36 | 3203257 TerminalDebt
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Bury it in Kim K, Everyone else has buried their things there before

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:47 | 3203571 Albertarocks
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And you can bet some of those moisture seeking missiles were glowing in the dark too.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:00 | 3203263 SafelyGraze
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"If the Department were to fill old barrels with material, bury them at suitable depths in disused coalmines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the material up again (the right to do so being obtained, of course, by tendering for leases of the material-bearing territory), there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is."

-JMK, The Marginal Propensity to Consume and Bury

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:45 | 3203561 smlbizman
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yep , put your cigarettes out fuckers, lets go green, lets recyle , lets all fart strawberries or you will be fined and or imprisoned.....

 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:44 | 3203292 SirIssacNewton
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Our descendents even a 1,000 years from now will be genetic misfires and mutants.  Fukushima and all the crap we have already produced has and will continue to "shine" its disasterous spew upon us for the next 100,000 years.  But on the bright side, our mutant descendents will be devolving back into a nucleopeptide pool.  May the years to come bring us the "glow" we deserve... :-)

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:21 | 3203453 mholzman
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No one died at Fukusima. More died from the loss of electric. Millions are poisoned with mercury in gold mines throughout South America. You care? No. You do not care because the big greenie environmental movement aimed at nuclear is funded by the oil industry. Where there's no money with advertising in your face, you don't give a F**K!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:33 | 3203507 akak
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Yes, obviously, because one can only care about either mercury environmental poisoning, or radioactive environmental poisoning, but not both simultaneously.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 16:16 | 3209461 BigJim
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  ...No one died at Fukusima. More died from the loss of electric. Millions are poisoned with mercury in gold mines throughout South America. You care? No. You do not care because the big greenie environmental movement aimed at nuclear is funded by the oil industry. Where there's no money with advertising in your face, you don't give a F**K!

From mholzman's published ZH biography:....

Primary interest, besides staying alive, is computer science and art. Work currently in a small group of consultants mostly focused on energy.
....
I mean no offense to anyone. I have discovered in life that believing you are right and discovering you are wrong, and more importantly accepting that, is the path to growth, blah, blah, blah.

Hey energy consultant guy, are you aware that exposure to ionising radiation increases risk of developing cancer(s)? And these can take years or decades to develop?

How long ago was 'Fukusima' again? Is 'Fukusima' still pouring out a variety of exciting isotopes, gently wafted us-wards by wind and wave? Will 'Fukusima' continue to enrich our lives in this way for some time to come? Is the problem contained? Is it possible it won't be contained for a long time? That it might even get worse?

And exactly which energy industry sector is your small group of consultants mostly 'focused on'? Not the nuclear energy industry, by any chance?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:09 | 3203408 back2basics
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it will be a 'natural resource' by then

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:13 | 3203419 I need more cowbell
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Descendants? in a million years? I doubt we'll have descendants in 100 years.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:16 | 3203434 Mad Mohel
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Heh beat me to it.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:15 | 3203428 Mad Mohel
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LOL Dedcendents in a million years? I am sure they will have a picture of you on the mantle above the fireplace. You obviously don't understand how science works. LOL, million years, descendents.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:18 | 3203161 bigdumbnugly
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well at least they realize they better not bury any more in james carville's backyard.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:24 | 3203178 Chupacabra-322
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Bury it in D.C.  The District of Criminals.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:02 | 3203374 krispkritter
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Can we reserve half for the Hamptons?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:26 | 3203190 Dr. Richard Head
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Shit, I have a nuclear power plant right two miles from my house.  Don't you all want toilets for night lights?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:04 | 3203379 Headbanger
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I bet they cure hemorrhoids too!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:24 | 3203461 Agstacker
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Right next to the Red Cross 9/11 relief fund.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:46 | 3203303 TBT or not TBT
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This is Steven Chu you are talking about, anti-human statist control freak.   That "Waste" contains lots of really useful stuff.   The recylcing technology already exists, as does entirely adequate disposal technology.    The "need for more studies" crap is just that, crap.   Chu is about as principled a scientist as Krugman is an economist.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:01 | 3203356 krispkritter
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I thought there were companies pursuing 'fast nuclear reactors' that would reuse current spent fuel waste? And that it was already proven to work but hadn't received any regulatory approvals.

As for Chu, apparently he's not against nuclear power, just so long as they are smaller and not in his back yard or the Hamptons: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2011/03/23/chu-touts-small-modul...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:19 | 3203447 TBT or not TBT
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Breeder reactors were diabolised on national TV by Jimmuh Carter(former nucular engineer in the Navy).    Same deal with the neutron bomb, which still strikes me from time to time as a great thing to use as a deterrent, if not for real, in apocalyptic enough scenarios.    A big problem with a nuclear exchange is the fallout...reaction products mixed with plasma made of ground materials and simply burning hot/smoke of ground materials sucked up into the cloud.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:51 | 3203328 One World Mafia
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Where any mutation will be an improvement.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:31 | 3203490 blu
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"Bury it near Wall Street. There are plenty of mutants running around there already."

Dammit, now I'm seeing a giant radioactive Lloyd Blankfiend with laser breath terrorizing Manhattan, crushing little models of buildings and splashing around in the Hudson River.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 16:20 | 3209473 BigJim
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How's that different from how he is now?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:12 | 3203109 ghengis86
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What about the Mariana trench?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:14 | 3203128 Sudden Debt
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DUDE! That's where they burried Megatron!
You don't want him to be able to recharge... really...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:28 | 3203217 Dr. No
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Actually, I think he was dropped in the Laurentian Abyss... meaning the Mariana Trench is a go.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:56 | 3203346 TBT or not TBT
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There are some nuclear reactors and bombs on the sea floor already, and a gigantic amount of natural radiation, and radioisoptopes released from...wait for it...BURNING COAL.    Yeah, burning coal for electricity irradiates the planet worse than using modern nuclear reactors to get electricity.  

Personally, if AGW via burning coal is possible, I am all for it.   The impending ICE AGE will not be good for biodiversity or humans.   Those suck for life on this planet.   But let's filter the stack exhaust on those a lot better than we currently do.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:19 | 3203132 thedrickster
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I thought the same but instead of dumping it there, injecting casks of waste into the earth's mantle.

Is the Earth's mantle naturally radioactive? Would the volume of waste relative to that of the Earth, have any measurable impact on the radioactivity of magma released into the crust?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:23 | 3203173 Dr. No
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Radioactive decay is most likley responsible for up to 90% of the heat in the Earth's mantle.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:24 | 3203182 thedrickster
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Very interesting!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:59 | 3203352 farmerjohn2112
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The Earth's crust is, on average, 35km thick... the deepest borehole ever drilled is about 13km deep. The temperature, at that depth (about 300F) make drilling equipment quite fragile - extrapolating the temperature downwards, you're looking at about 800F at a depth of 20km. I'm not opposed to the idea of mantle injection - just not sure how you're gonna get there.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:05 | 3203397 Headbanger
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A massive asteroid impact should do the trick

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:37 | 3203532 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Asteroid 2012 DA14, possible hit on Feb. 15th, probably ainT big enough. 

Only 2.5 megatons of kinetic energy.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 16:29 | 3209482 BigJim
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Is it aimed at DC?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:20 | 3203431 thedrickster
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Hmmm. Is it uniformly thick?

If the bottom or the Marinara's Trench is 11km, would there really be 24km to go? How does magma seep from the ocean floor, could the volcanic vents be used as a pathway?

What about a subduction zone? ***EDIT**** TBT I see you proposed this below. Seems like a way around thick crust.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:30 | 3203495 TBT or not TBT
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It has been working for billions of years.   If it stops working, well that will be hundreds of millions of years from now, by which time, problem solved.    It'd be a whole simpler to just recycle the good stuff for reuse, convert the rest back to rocks(basically, as glass), and bury it in ANY long stable rock formation.   There are billion year old formations all over the place that aren't going anywhere fast.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:21 | 3203449 TBT or not TBT
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Subduction zones.   Let the planet do it for you and you'll get it a whole lot deeper than 35km.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:50 | 3203580 TPTB_r_TBTF
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That would work unless it doesnT.

 

Just hope your trash doesnT come belching back up through one of the volcanoes which tend to line themselves up along a subduction zone.

 

Oh, ... and make sure your container is not buoyant in lava.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 11:34 | 3206270 SilverRhino
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Put the stuff in a subduction zone and geologic processes will take it into the mantle for you .... just takes a long time.  But fortunately 5 miles of water shielding is pretty good.   

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:00 | 3203358 TBT or not TBT
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That and the heat left over from the initial fallling of the materials that make up the earth into the earth's gravitational well.    Think of the energy an asteroid strike delivers to the planet, then multiply that times the weight of the planet.   It takes a loooooong time for heat to traverse thousands of miles of rock and radiate into space.    The heat that's left from formation ought to be signicant, on top of the nuclear decay heat.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:00 | 3203370 Dr. No
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According to theory, that latent heat is actually quite small compared to the decay portion:  http://phys.org/news62952904.html

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:25 | 3203465 TBT or not TBT
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I'm OK with that statement, certainly.    The surface area of a sphere increases slower than its mass does with increasing R.    The smaller the R the faster the heat(from whatever source) radiates away.   The moon ought to be solid through and through, and Mars' tectonics apparently ended quite a long while ago.   Earth is more massive than both of these, so still has tectonics(which also releases heat, sometimes a whole hell of a lot, such as when traps are active, made Tambora look like picnic).

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:29 | 3203483 Dr. No
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To the junker who disagrees with science then -> The earths heat is generated due to all the screams from the devil and demonds kicking @ss down there.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:55 | 3203604 TPTB_r_TBTF
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1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

University of Washington

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:31 | 3203232 insanelysane
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Just dump it in an active volcano and it will be melted into something else?  What could go wrong, the government is in charge.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:39 | 3203274 blu
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Melt into something else that's not radioactive?

These are radioactive elements. You know what an element is, right? Something about them being elemental.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:47 | 3203309 donsluck
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Elements yes, stable no. They do degrade over time into different elements of course, releasing electrons on the way, which have a nasty habit of poisoning, causing mutations, and other-wise messing with the reproductive abilities of all life. Hey, let's build an industry out of this stuff! We may need a wee bit of government help of course...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:01 | 3203364 blu
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You get the idea that it was just another way to gain access to government money.

Have a crazy idea that's probably too dangerous to pull off in the private sector, so that you couldn't even afford the liability? U cray nigga. Oh wait, you have a way to get the government to pay for everything including your mistakes? Now that's a business plan!

They only did it because they knew they would never pay for the disposal.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 16:03 | 3203645 TPTB_r_TBTF
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So let the radioactive waste degrade down to Au and then recover it?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:03 | 3203384 TBT or not TBT
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Having these elements melted BELOW the earth's crust is feasible.   Just plonk it all half a km deep in sea floor in a subduction zone, it'll get melted and buried as much as anything could reliably be, 100's of km deep in semi-molten rock, diluted and slowly decaying like the rest of the far larger, truly enomorous amount of radioisotopes that make up the planet already.    What we've produced is just nothing.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:43 | 3203290 blu
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" injecting casks of waste into the earth's mantle"

Okay now I'm trying to figure out which of at least 500 insurmountable engineering challenges you just reduced to the word inject.

Nobody understands jack anymore.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:07 | 3203398 TBT or not TBT
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Let the planet do the work.   Subduction zones.    The sea floor, km's thick, continuously slides back into the planet's core disappearing stuff effectively forever in the mantle.   The problem is burying stuff in stable rock in subduction zones, some of which are shallow enough or hell maybe at the surface currently.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:14 | 3203418 blu
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Honestly? I imagine that is the only solution. It will cost so much money it will probably boggle the mind. But that's why we have printing presses, I'm told.

But notice, they don't intend to spend a single dime. The cheapest way to manage this is to dump the waste on some poor or unsuspecting nation in Africa, give the local strongman a suitcase of FRNs for his cooperation, and walk away. That is almost certainly what will happen.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:27 | 3203482 TBT or not TBT
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I don't think it would be so costly as all that, representing a tiny fraction of the amount gained from nuclear power production, whether it was buried in a subduction zone...some of which would be accessible from dry land as I understand, not miles deep...or just plonked in a stable rock formation(just as cheap and effective and permanent).

BUT, my problem with that is the stuff is VALUABLE, Steven Chu the statist control freak and "Blue Ribbon" jackass notwithstanding.    Richard Feynman, now there is a scientist, unbeholden to political clownery, just interested in reality itself.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:36 | 3203527 blu
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Valuable how? And with what additional processing?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:15 | 3203138 Tsar Pointless
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Don't you mean the Maria (as in Bartiromo) trench?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:17 | 3203148 thedrickster
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Should fit.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:26 | 3203184 francis_sawyer
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whilst REDUCING the aggregate 'toxicity'... BRILLIANT!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:05 | 3203385 ParkAveFlasher
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francis, don't you mean, "whilst REDUCING the aggregate 'JOOOOOOicity'.

Just breaking balls francis, lighten up ;)

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:38 | 3203529 francis_sawyer
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I only get mad when you call me 'FRANCIS'...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:28 | 3203202 Manthong
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Yup.. can't fill up an infinite chasm.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:12 | 3203110 Sudden Debt
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Why not just sell it to north korea or Iran?
they'll but it!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:10 | 3203111 1000yrdstare
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Why are we messing with Nuclear, we have plenty of easily obtainable cheap oil!

sarc needed?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:14 | 3203117 Everyman
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No, that is what Yucca Mountian and all the taxpayer money was suposedly used for.  Yucca mountian gave Nevada a huge industry and a place for the US to store the nuke wastes.  Who is holdig this up and endng the Yucca Mountian storage?

Harry Reid (who should be terminated) and President Obama.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:25 | 3203180 knukles
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Betcha a million becquerels that Harry Reid pushes real fucking hard for the new disposal site to be built in Nevada.....

Just you wait....

(What Yuccko mountain?  There's no Yuccko Mountain!)

 

Ridiculous.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:38 | 3203260 blu
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On the plus side, it's hard to imagine a better use for Nevada.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:59 | 3203361 michael_engineer
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Lake Mead should be dry enough in a few years to handle it.

Or just leave it on someone's front porch, ring the doorbell, then run like hell.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:03 | 3203376 blu
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My kind of engineer. Careful or you'll end up in management. Or worse, a Dilbert strip.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:33 | 3203245 Bad Attitude
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Like so many problems in our world, nuclear waste disposal is a political problem.

Too many years ago, I did a term paper for a Structural Geology course on nuclear waste disposal site selection. The overwhelming conclusion I came to was that the nuclear waste disposal problem was a political problem, not a technical problem. There were several viable technologies for encapsulation of the waste, and there were plenty of geologically suitable sites for nuclear waste disposal.

Unlike many chemical wastes that remain dangerous forever, nuclear waste decays over time (thousands of years) to become relatively harmless.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:53 | 3203336 donsluck
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Is life technically required? Is making one (non nuclear) poison a technical reason for making another (nuclear) one? Isn't our responsibility to our childrens' childrens'...a political decision? Should our policy be allowing us to poison our children for the immediate profit of a select few? Are we truly technically able to predict the future for 100,000 years? NO!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:11 | 3203412 TBT or not TBT
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Bingo.   Physics and mathematics is the same for everyone, and using these two together you find out this problem is very soluable.   It's the moonbats that prevent solutions here, dingbats who've chosen throughout their lives to avoid learning about physical reality and prefer entirely imaginary and symbolic understandings of things, which is where we get the "my truth" phenomenon.    Nuke waste technology is a very advanced state of development, it is mature.  Radiation is one of the best understood phenomenon in physics, not a scary mystery.   

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 16:43 | 3209504 BigJim
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Yes, you're quite right, ask any resident of Chernobyl or Fukushima. People should stop worrying and trust the scientists, they know everything.

They don't?

Maybe not. But they know enough, right? Like whether there will be a functioning state apparatus to look after all the radiocative waste and need-to-be-decommisioned nuke plants dotted around our country over the next several centuries, or millenia, or whatever it is before they become safe.

I mean, if even the Third Reich lasted 1000 years, surely Amerka can manage 10,000.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:18 | 3203439 mholzman
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Thank god, someone knows the facts. Reid burnt through OUR billions.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:14 | 3203122 Steve in Greensboro
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Bury it directly under Harry Reid's office.  What better place than Mordor-on-the-Potomac?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:13 | 3203124 caimen garou
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20 years to learn how to recycle and how long have we been using nuclear power? seems to me a good place to bury it is in the hamptons!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:44 | 3203293 Byte Me
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+1

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:15 | 3203127 LongSoupLine
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Shove all fucking 70k tons down Bernanke's fucking neck.

Fucking shithead.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:43 | 3203294 Byte Me
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+68000

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:16 | 3203133 pods
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Of course govenments are the worst polluters on the planet.

And more and more rules are made to limit private individuals access to water, etc.

But governments can do whatever they please, as can industry large enough to buy off the government.

pods

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:17 | 3203136 sitenine
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Why don't they just ship it all to Fuckishima? The Japanese govt doesn't seem to think there is any problem at all with nuclear waste, or even meltdowns for that matter..

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:28 | 3203201 adr
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Thats because somebody sighted Mothra in Japan and they need a new Godzilla to take care of him after the JDF killed the original Godzilla.

Or maybe they could use the waste to power the Gundam. If I were China I would really be afraid. A 70ft Gundam could wreak havok in Shanghai.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:17 | 3203137 Sudden Debt
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1. STORE IT IN FORT KNOX
2. CALL IT A OOPS DECISION
3. NOBODY CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE GOLD IN FORT KNOX BECAUSE OF THE RADIATION

Am I the only one with a brain here...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:21 | 3203163 idea_hamster
Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:26 | 3203192 fonzannoon
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Along those lines they should deliver it to germany.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:33 | 3203244 insanelysane
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Plenty of room there since there is no gold left in the vaults.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:15 | 3203140 q99x2
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Retro tax the bitches out of existence.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:23 | 3203147 francis_sawyer
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If I get a vote... I say... Bury it all in Tel Aviv...

~~~

But to be frugal (& save transport costs)... Just dump it in this guy's swimming pool...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-24/hamptons-prices-soar-record-lloyd-blankfein-parks-33-million-8000-square-foot-mansio

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:33 | 3203228 Boxed Merlot
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Just dump it in this guy's swimming pool...

 

What?  No kiddy fence around that thing?  He's gonna have a hard time finding an insurance company to cover that.

(Oh yeah, he's immune to risk)

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:07 | 3203320 francis_sawyer
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 "He's gonna have a hard time finding an insurance company to cover that"

~~~

Are you fucking kidding me?... All Blankfein has to do is create some SHELL insurance company... Load it up like his buddy Greenberg did [at AIG] with sold premiums & CDS contracts... Then ~ when it all blows up, he can get his buddy Hank Paulsen to pay 100 cents on the dollar for the paper losses & hand the bill over to the American taxpayer... Since they can't afford it, his other pal Ben Shalom Bernanke will print more confetti so that it all becomes whole in some way...

Maybe he can even figure out a way to collect 'double indemnity' like his other buddy Silverstein did with WTC1 WTC2 & WTC7... Meanwhile ~ 'Sans-a-Worry' if anybody in America starts to look in to things & get agitated, he can dial up his friends Feinstein & Shumer to take their guns away... He'll also make a call to his friend Bloomberg to make sure it's all properly reported in the press... There's always the ADL police to clean up the stragglers.. [& in a 'poison pill' scenario ~ there's always those scary Iranians who are in need of imminent attack]...

Piece of Pie!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:14 | 3203427 One Ton Lady
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If they dumped it at Tel Aviv, then soon after, the eternal question :  Did 6,000,000 really die?  .  would forever be answered in the affirmative. Ah , yes they did.  No holohoax extortion payments necessary either.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:40 | 3203544 francis_sawyer
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Yeah ~ I'm more honestly in favor of Gatsby's swimming pool when it comes rght down to it... (being a fan of UNCOMPLICATED things & all)... 

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 16:04 | 3203647 Totentänzerlied
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Dump it in Israhole. Then let the Christians, Jews, and Muslims prove just how much they want that fucking stupid strip of desert. Don't even bother burying it.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:17 | 3203153 Cognitive Dissonance
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Out of sight, out of mind. Until (that is) your hair begins to fall out and you bleed from the pores of your skin.

<So sorry, was that my out loud voice?>

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:26 | 3203185 knukles
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One lump or two?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:37 | 3203255 blu
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Did you ever hear about the "atomic priesthood"?

http://www.ratical.org/radiation/NGP/AtomPriesthd.html

Yeah, people have been thinking about this for a while. Creating a religion around the problem tells you something about how little they actually care.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:40 | 3203268 Cognitive Dissonance
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A cult is a cult is a cult.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:43 | 3203298 blu
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Only until it's a useful government created and tax-payer funded nuclear disposal cult.

At that point it's what you need to believe just to survive.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:51 | 3203319 Cognitive Dissonance
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Agreed. But I love the funny hats they wear so I'm down with it. :)

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:56 | 3203347 blu
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Funny hats or GTFO.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:17 | 3203156 Inthemix96
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Ask BP to sort out a deep drilling rig to get rid of it.

They seem to know what they are talking about, and if you pay them in Geethner bucks, it will get done quicker, at a cheaper cost, with a derivative, to sell to your pension account, which will come up short, and leave you destitute when you need it the most, after all your lifes work.

And every fucker wins, ask geethner.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:19 | 3203162 NotAMathWhiz
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Can we dig deep enough so it ends up in China?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:20 | 3203164 A Lunatic
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Why can't we just throw it in the crik like we did in the good ol' days?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:22 | 3203170 adr
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Don't you know, that's where the crab people come from. They bury the waste, create more crab people to replace Reid, Pelosi, and the rest of the Concritters.

God you'd think the lunatic fringe would have known this already.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:23 | 3203171 thedrickster
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What about the Moon.

SpaceX is getting $100M / 53 metric tonnes. 70K tonnes / 53 tonnes per launch = 1,320 launches X $100M = 132B.

Then use solar wind to transport to the moon, who cares how long it takes.

$132B to permanently solve the issue? The chairsatan prints that in two months.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:25 | 3203194 Mercury
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4JOjcDFtBE
Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:33 | 3203221 thedrickster
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That would be an issue, though NASA has been launching plutonium into orbit for decades. Orders of magnitude, I know.

Wonder what the failure rate is for commercial payload rockets? Would have to be perfect 5,833 times.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:28 | 3203214 thedrickster
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Revising. LEO wouldn't be enough.

Space X says 12 metric tonnes to Geosynchronous Orbit @ $128M. So 5833 launches @ 128M = $746B

Still reasonable relative to a stimulus package.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:33 | 3203240 blu
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So how many of those 1,320 launches would blow up at 5,000 feet scattering radioactive waste down field?

No wait, we can do all the launches in Japan, they love this kinda shit.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:37 | 3203261 thedrickster
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DPRK then Japan would be downwind.

Even if 5,833 launches I wonder if the payload could be designed to survive a catostrophic rocket failure (e.g. done blowed up). If glassified I wonder if the payload could be engineered to fall to earth intact rather than being scattered to the wind.

I think my idea is horrible but a fun thought expiriment. I think the mantle/marinara trench thing is the way to go.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:47 | 3203302 blu
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If you found a way to have the payload survive a rocket failure and fall to earth intact, I think you've already solved the entire disposal problem right there and you can just leave the shit sitting on the ground in Nevada.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:50 | 3203314 thedrickster
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Touche. Though look at the Challenger, shuttle cockpit fell to the earth intact. The pointy end might stand a chance even if the business end blows up.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:50 | 3203315 TBT or not TBT
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Come on people, the stuff started out as rocks, and we can un-refine it back to same state, and bury it in rock formations that have been stable for a billion years and call it done.   The stories to the contary are high moonbattery and political shenanigans.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:54 | 3203344 blu
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If it was as simple as that, don't you think someone would have taken care of the problem in 1958?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:13 | 3203416 TBT or not TBT
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Back then, they knew this waste would be valuable, and it still is, even though we've diabolised the stuff since then.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:13 | 3203423 TBT or not TBT
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Also. back then it wasn't a big problem, and it still isn't.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:25 | 3203468 blu
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"back then it wasn't a big problem, and it still isn't."

I was pretty sure that if I kept at it, someone would say that.

Thank you for playing.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 16:59 | 3203898 TheFourthStooge-ing
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blu asked:

So how many of those 1,320 launches would blow up at 5,000 feet scattering radioactive waste down field?

http://www.spacelaunchreport.com

Based on the Worldwide Space Launch Box Score, I'm guessing around one in every twenty.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:23 | 3203172 dbTX
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Better under the groung than on top of it.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:26 | 3203186 Boxed Merlot
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Better under the groung than on top of it...

 

Sounds like the NY branch of the fed and their solution to keep au out of circulation.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:26 | 3203187 Legolas
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Not if its DC.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:28 | 3203215 blu
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Why?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:28 | 3203174 Mercury
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Based on this knowledge they have suggested that the current stockpile of spent nuclear fuel should be buried without any thought as to its retrieval in the future.

Hey, that government plan has been working with debt right?

Right?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:25 | 3203179 Legolas
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I hear there may be room in the underground vaults of the New York Fed.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:26 | 3203197 knukles
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Right next to the missing German Gold Bars.
Booyah!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:25 | 3203193 buzzsaw99
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shove it up the bernank's ass right along side all the other toxic garbage

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:26 | 3203200 reTARD
Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:27 | 3203203 marcusfenix
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I vote it gets dumped into the largest currently active volcano on the planet...

I mean why the hell not, right?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:29 | 3203212 blu
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You actually think it will then burn up don't you?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:39 | 3203267 marcusfenix
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no, I actually don't know what would happen.

but it could be fun to find out...

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:51 | 3203324 TBT or not TBT
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Try putting it into the biggest volcano of all, the planet!    There are lots of subduction zones where sea floor SLOWLY dives under the continental shelves to great depths in the mantle until it chemically decomposes and/or melts under great heat and pressure, hundreds of km deep.   Talk about long term disposal!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:55 | 3203337 blu
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That makes a very small amount of sense. However most of humanity lives in these same zones so I don't know who would volunteer to take it.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 17:06 | 3203922 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Marianas Trench seems likely. It's a subduction zone, it's very deep, and Fukushima has already polluted the fuck out of the water.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 17:10 | 3203946 blu
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Fine. Just fucking fine then. Let's do it.

Now let's hope someone from the nuke industry reads ZH.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:51 | 3203329 blu
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Okay then here is what would happen.

The metalic waste material would melt, and the combustable waste material will burn creating radioactive ashes, and the whole snarl would mix with the lava creating radioactive lava. When the volcano throws off lava some day (you did say active) the lava sticks to the side of the mountain, which become radioactive. Now you have a radioactive lava field on the surface that will last a million years.

If the volcano becomes dormant, a forest will eventually grow there. People will settle at the foot of the mountain, eating from the forest and drinking the runoff water.

For hundreds of years, they will suffer and die never understanding why.

They'll eventually decide that the mountain is "haunted" and stay away. For a little while, until they forget and move back.

Rinse, repeat.

Yeah TPTB are a little worried about this. Or they were. I guess now that they've got their money they do not give an actual fuck.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 16:01 | 3203626 Vooter
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And what is wrong with any of that?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 16:44 | 3203829 blu
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Depending on who you ask -- nothing at all.

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